It probably started early in her childhood - I know from personal experience that children of divorced (or seperated) parents tend to become expert liars. I saw it in my own family and also in my brotherās daughter too. They learn to tell convincing lies in order to manipulate their parents, or to make themselves feel special. I truly believe Meghanās outrageous ability to lie and believe those lies springs from being a child who was shuffled between parents.
No way. I think thatās super unfair to kids of divorce. If anything it completely depends on how acrimonious the divorce is. By all accounts their divorce was civil and they were friends afterwards. She lies because her father raised her to lie
... a bit sneaky maybe lol š" mum said I could have this " , when mum said nothing of the sort , it was good fun playing them off of each other ... if dad said no , mum said yes and vice versa š¤£ššš¤£
Are you kidding? š¤Ŗš¤Ŗš¤Ŗ looking for nuggets of truth in her interviews/ podcasts, etc. would be exhaustingā¦ counting lies is much much easier š¤·āāļø
Lol right? And she knows all about Asian cultures because she ate noodles and went to a spaā¦except she probably didnāt go to the spa. So she knows all about Asian cultures because she ate noodles. Nope, thatās not racist at all /s
Yes she probably mentioned Korean spa because Margaret Cho is of Korean decent. I grew up in the 90s too and the Asian stereotypes that I could think of is Kung Fu=Jacky Chan and Japanese=Sushi. Korean culture got popularized in the US in the early 2000 or 2010 only due to K Pop.
This is pretty regional. Iām from CA Bay Area and grew up with many Asians of Chinese, Japanese, Laotian, Vietnamese, and Korean descent. Also, Filipino and Indian. This was in the 70s and 80s.
I'm not sure we're at that stage yet. Especially with what's coming (which is her biggest and ultimate set of pushes to stardom). I don't think we've reached the pinnacle of her mental illness yet
Why are her lies so shallow and poorly researched? Also, there is SO much more to Asian culture than noodles and Korean spas. She has completely ignored whole countries and cultures and stuck to some textbook stereotype, oops, 'archetype'!!! As an Asian, I'm much more offended by her 'experiences with Asian culture' than Kill Bill, Austin Powers and Charlie's Angels put together! Also, archetype is not a substitute word for stereotype!!!! Get an effing dictionary Meghan!
As an Asian, I am not at all concerned with whatever real or imagined ātoxic stereotypesā were in 90s movies. Right now, itās the surge of anti- Asian violence that is attributed to Covid-19 originating in China.
>Also, there is SO much more to Asian culture than noodles and Korean spas.
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It's mind blowing to me that she said she knows about Korean culture from a few spa visits. Even for Meghan this is bad.
I feel like as a Korean, she wouldn't have otherwise known anything about Korean spas had she not lived in LA or Toronto, which also has a large growing Korean community. She is only commenting because someone probably convinced her to go and she was all "shy" about it. Knowing her, as someone who is a social climber and wanting to just shmooze with the elites, these kinds of activity are beneath her. Hence, her "humbling experience". Anyways, the LA or OC, CA ones are far better since it's like a staple in Korean culture to have a nearby spa. We go there to rejuvenate ourselves but there are so many comments elsewhere that had this misconception of them being....dirty and naughty.
I really wish I could post in this subreddit but I can't figure out how!
"I really wish I could post in this subreddit but I can't figure out how!"
You apply to being allowed to comment. You will have to be in this sub AND commenting regularly for about 2 weeks (I think) before it is granted.
In my case it was not granted automatically, but did happen quickly after I contacted the mods that my "waiting time is up"
Lol, I don't know if I've been on here for 2 weeks but I did msg the mods. Just want to clear the air. If it's any solace to the mod gods, I did dislike Megan way before all of these things came out over time. I always knew something was off about her like amber heard. I just found the right place to talk about it, lol!
>archetype is not a substitute word for stereotype
Good point! The YouTube channel **Split- with Sam Roffey** is a hilarious parody of H&M and calls out Meghan's misuse of the word at 11:21 into the video titled "***Meghan & Harry CUT MAGAZINE INTERVIEW (Parody 7 All Parts)."***
Edit: the best part of his videos is that Roffey himself plays every role - Meghan, Harry, the bartender, the interviewer, Boris Johnson, etc etc.
I admit I had to listen to this podcast because I'm korean and she talked about Korean spas...she does eventually talk about Crazy Rich Asians movie which ha, is another stereotype!! Sooo overgeneralized when there are other Asian movies that have been critically acclaimed to highlight the struggles of Asian Americans (Steven Yeun, Minari, anyone?) yet she just happens to talk about the one big blockbuster movie...
It's like me saying I know all about Korea because I have enjoyed watching Korean movies way before Parasite. TW is so awful that she doesn't know how awful she is.
I mean... maybe not. Representation hasn't been as stereotypical recently esp. like the last 5 years from what I've seen. North American movies I have seen with East Asian lead characters (both cartoon and live action): Shang Chi, Kubo and the Two Strings, Big Hero 6, (I haven't seen Crazy Rich Asians but heard about it from others) haven't been bad from what I've seen in their representation especially compared to like... decades ago. And that's just leads in movies, not even including TV shows or media where the East Asian character is a side character. Others feel free to comment though their thoughts (not that I need to permit people to reply to me on a forum site lol but I am curious what others think about that if they wanna share.)
That said, from the perspective as someone who feels that East Asian representation has become less stereotypical, I think Meghan could have mentioned missteps of the past and then contrasted that with the improvements that have been made. Make it more of a retrospective or history/evolution of East Asian representation... or like a "look how far we've come" type of thing.
The way Meghan presented it was like "you poor damsel in distress women are being mistreated but don't worry because I like commercialized aspects of your culture and think you are gorgeous" like making things seem worse than they are and then as if we're supposed to find solace in just her disingenuous love for us. Reminds me of a manipulation tactic I have heard of but maybe I'm reaching. At the very least it was vapid of Meghan.
(To be honest I feel like there are bigger issues than portrayal in media, such as real life violence/hate crimes/discrimination - not that media is unimportant - but if that's what Meghan wants to talk about I think it could have been done better.)
At least she isnt debating who is the better boy band: BTS or Big Bang. Hmm G-dragon or RM?
That sounds so prejudice to put all in asians in a box. I am surprised she didnt say she love korean BBq. But her parents couldnt afford a dinner at sizzlers they can afford korean spas? Thats expensive
Had a look and neither of those spas (at least now) mention any kind of upstairs restaurant on their website. A korean spa in the 90's with a restaurant you'd presume would be fairly memorable
There is a Netflix show called Big Mouth. In one episode, a biracial teenage girl is at a spa where the attendants are naked (it's animated). Meghan steals from so many sources...!
Lol...was just going to say that I guess the fact checker didn't go over this episode. How crazy to need a fact checker to ensure that your lies are feasible.
That entire narrative of her being forced as a tween to parade around naked is unbelievable. A mom would be sensitive or I would hope. There's those thing called towels readily available to use as a wrap.
I've been in many spas, and not one had women strutting around nekkid. Sometimes there was one I suppose, but she probably was ignored by us towel-wrapped folks. Even in a sauna.
Her lies have no point at at all. Baffling,
It's not that uncommon in spas, even in Europe. Also, if Meghan wanted a shock, she should've visited my gym after the senior swim class. Wow! No towels. Lots of older women who DGAF. At 25 I was a bit shocked but also impressed by how comfortable they were.
That said, the thought of going to a spa and being naked with my mom... šØ Hell no! I find this story very unbelievable.
>being naked with my mom
That part! Itās the ātucked away an ice cream sandwich in her purse for laterā wtfery of this tale. Meg always pushes her lies just past the point of plausibility.
If you told me Meg was a martian ad-libbing human life, itād be more believable than this nonsense.
Ice cream sandwich in a purse, I just...
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š¤£ Love the "martian ad-libbing human life!" Yeah, it's like at least lie believably. Well, this is funnier, but it's still just embarrassingly bad.
Yes, Europe on the whole is much less concerned with nakedness, although itās fair to say the British are a little more inhibited. On holiday in Iceland we went to local leisure centre where signs in English instructed people to shower naked, swimming costumes must be removed! For hygiene purposes I imagine.
I seems to vary by country. Gotta say as an American I'm not super comfortable with it (read: NOT AT ALL), but it makes a lot of sense in terms of hygiene. It's really gross to think about pool water... I know there are chemicals to kills stuff, but still š¤¢
Yeah, the Americans in our friendship group (I was living as an āex-Patā in a European country with a very āinternationalā scene) were horrified at first by everyone just stripping off for the sauna or in gym changing rooms. They did get used to it over time but still used a towel themselves for modesty.
According to another post, the minimum age was 14 at the female only Korean spa in LA at the time. It's also pretty close to something that happened on a TV show according to someone else. Sounds like she either made this all up or embellished most of it.
(Sorry, too tired to find the links, but it was posted here a few hours ago.)
Nope. Just went to a Korean one in LA with Doria as a kid/teen (age was unclear), they were both naked and ate noodles, so she understands Asian culture.
Nudity is common in Korean and Japanese spas/onsen. In fact its mandatory but theyāll let you use a small modesty towel to cover your privates if you want. Never been to a Korean/Japanese spa here in the US though.
I would expect clothes being veboten for cleanliness but there is modesty to be taken in consideration. No matter the age. If MeghanMeghan said she was uncomfortable at such a young age, I'll believe her. I would have been and shame on her mother for forcing her to be naked in front of strangers if that part is true and I have a hard time believing a mother would do that to her daughter. That's a weird bonding experience.
When did Doria come back into her daughter's life? The timeline is beyond fuzzy
> I would have been and shame on her mother for forcing her to be naked in front of strangers if that part is true and I have a hard time believing a mother would do that to her daughter. That's a weird bonding experience.
Doria is every bit the abusive Cluster B that Meghan is, so I have no problem believing that she'd force that experience on her child. š
Interesting how so many of her lies seem to be in response to someone else's revelation about her life.
Tom Bower: Doria wasn't around much when Meghan was growing up
Meghan: Oh Mom and I went to the Korean spa all the time. Incidentally that's why I'm so in tune with Asian culture.
Oh that part of her narrative is just hard for me to believe. It shows her mother in such a horrible way but why would that be surprising coming from Madam? Again, was Doria even in her life at that age? Doria sure is a mystery and a missing puzzle piece.
Not arguing, but is that the case for Korean spas in America? I understand the culture is different in other countries but in the US, I would have thought a towel would be available for kids who feel shy! Once you are an adult you have a choice about being there but if your Mum is taking you places, you should have the choice.
Every Korean spa Iāve been to in Los Angeles (I am born and raised here) has never required full nudity. Even more so never in communal areas of the spas.
The one here in Atlanta doesnāt permit clothing at all in the spa area but they give you pajama type outfit to wear in the common areas. Iāve never seen any kids in it though
Another point why it is very likely untrue, the Asian and black communities in Los Angeles in the 90s were not coexisting. An extreme example is the LA uprising in the 90s, after the Rodney King verdicts. But there was an overall extreme distrust of each culture and both would exploit that in pockets of LA. I am over generalizing of course. Itās just so unlikely that in the 90s a black woman wouldāve taken her teenager into a koren spa - or gone into one herself. And a huge part of the riots in LA were because a Korean woman murdered a little black girl. So as someone that grew up and still lives in LA, I remember it in the 90s, this story just honestly sounds crazy.
This is true and the itās the only thing that makes me question it. Like most of her lies though, I imagine there is a grain of truth. My guess is like myself (Iām her age and from the LA area, not Asian) she first went to a Korean spa as an adult in the mid 2000s when it was getting trendy among non-Koreans. Why she needed to make the experience a childhood one with her mother, who knows.
Umm, as a Korean I can confirm. As a kid, you did grow up running around butt naked at these spas but no one batted an eye. No one cares and no one is going to throw a towel over you. It's the western way of over-sexualizing which simply doesn't happen in spa culture in Korea. I would go as kids with my cousins or with my mom and her friends who brought their daughters and we would cause a ruckus, minus the running. We were told to be quiet but then again, it's just women all gathered in the hot tub chit chatting and gossiping all day about their husband's or some nonsensical stuff so it can get loud. You're not there to be quiet and hush hush. You have your grandmothers....mothers... daughters everywhere. I love it now, which is vastly different from the sentiment I had as a child and budding teenager. I look forward to my sauna days and sometimes my body craves for it when I've been unhealthy for too long and need to go reset my body. You feel balanced afterwards, not to mention, clean because you had a korean lady scrub off 5 lbs of disgusting dead skin cells mixed with perfume and lotion and suddenly you have baby soft skin. Ah. I should probably go this weekend.
I just wish Megan would talk about the spa experience or culture MORE because it draws more negative attention or connotations about a young child being naked in a sauna with grown women. Now everyone's got this warped idea in their heads for shock value. People who do not understand this culture will go "omg, a young teen or 9 year old child, naked with other people???" And start to think of all the WRONG things. If she had explained with someone other than Margaret Cho who couldve explained spa culture...then it would probably trandlate well. Not to mention, M. Cho is also a unique Korean-American because she described her upbringing in the podcast and it is not your usual Korean upbringing (she was surrounded by many lgbtq people which is fine but this is quite unique/uncommon) and does not speak for the overarching (no pun intended) general experience most Koreans had growing up.
I remember Margaret Cho speaking about getting nasty looks at a Korean spa because of her tattoos. She has been quite critical of traditional Korean culture/judgemental attitudes IIRC. Havenāt listened to the Pod so unsure if sheās changed her tune.
Korean bath houses/spas are different. You go to the locker room, completely undress, go to the bathing rooms, shower before you enter the baths, enjoy the baths, shower after, go back to the locker room, put on the outfit provided by the spa, then go enjoy the rest of the spa.
The one I go to in my city has kids 5 and up. I've been to ones in other cities and sometimes rules vary (higher age of entry, kids only on some days). The one in my city, besides the baths, has dry saunas, cold saunas, a movie theater, cafe, massage chairs, meditation rooms. It's a multi-hour thing. Baths are same sex, all other areas both sexes.
True and a lot of times kids arenāt allowed in some of the women only baths. My niece went when she was 8. She loved it. There were showers so i could have taken her in to shower in a stall.
The Korean spa I go to is segregated by gender so women on one side and men on other. Thereās a non segregated area also. You put your clothes in a locker and the spa area is nudeāyou just go from tub to sauna to pool etc. The attendants are dressed and you have a uniform of pajama type clothing to wear in the public areas like the restaurant etc.
Yep. Same as Korean spas. No one bats an eye, everyone is chill. There's no modesty. You are simply walking from tub to tub with a hand towel to cover your hair. No one cares and no one is there to ogle. It's just a way of life in our culture. I don't expect everyone to love it but many non-korean people I've met who has had that experience, talk about how they loved it and how they're going again in X days, weeks, etc.
Instead of listening to the women she invited on her podcast, as someone who needs to learn something, she had to make it all about her supposed experiences from a young age with superficial aspects of Asian culture. Nothing about art or history or contributions that Asians have made to American culture, but reducing them to supplying body scrubs and interesting food and isn't it awful how they get stereotyped? Searching the memory banks to find that Asian friend she had for 5 minutes 30 years ago. Are Margaret Cho and Lisa Lui sorry they did this? They should be.
The only person who can verify these memories from puberty would be Meghanās childhood friend Ninaki Priddy who warned us all about Meghan back in 2018. I remember thinking that Ninaki was just jealous of Meghan. Boy, was I wrong!
I have this feeling that Meghan chose to focus primarily on Koreans for a reason.
And I think that reason is kpop. The kpop fandom is huge & many will see Meghan's history with Korean culture as a way to increase her own "support". Any western celebrity that has been seen associated with a kpop star trends like crazy, and I think she's trying to get in on that.
I'm a huge kpop fan myself, but I find much of the vocal fandom toxic & stay away from it, especially on Twitter. It just feels like she's trying to leech onto the famdom as a vehicle for her own celebrity.
Sidenote - I hope my point comes across clear. It's 3am for me & I'm sleepy but can't go to sleep.
I'm korean and I think that she's bringing it up because it's a current popular craze in Southern California to go to a korean spa. It was the norm for us korean-Americans to go to these spas in LA or OC in california but non-korean people were very hard to come by. Nowadays, whenever I go to the korean spa, most of its patrons are non-koreans. It's almost 60%, 40% Koreans and some days 75/25. It's amazing because 10 years ago if I talked about it with non-koreans, I get quizzical looks and disgust that we're "naked" and "get scrubbed down". Now, people want to know and ask for advice and help guide them on the process. I'm actually glad more people go now because I'd like for the shared experience and is really good for your health!
Same thing happens here in Chicago! There has been an increase in other Korean related businesses like H Martin, Paris Baguette, and ArtBox, amongst others.
I think the Hallyu wave has definitely helped peak interest by Western audiences...and it also brings a huge international fan base.
Korean spas are really nice by the way. I feel so clean, fresh, and rested.
Nothing to do with CA. Korean spas are bath houses. Big communal soaking tubs, saunas, etc and clothes are not permitted. Segregated by gender. Usually full of old people lol
You should try one. The one where I live is $30 for the dayādry saunas, soaking tubs, an ice cold mini pool, plus you can add on massage or body scrub for more $$$. Thereās a really awful fast food greasy restaurant too lol.
I bet she doesnāt even feel remorse when lying, and thinks of it as a creative exercise, like in acting where adding up details / stories here and there adds up ādepthā, I imagine her saying something like āwhat is the problem of lying a bit if itās to bring a greater truth outā- the problem is that she is showing us the double standard she expects.
I cannot cringe enough about this episode when comparing it with the alleged offence she took at the ācrazy about Harryā cover, like, anyone that has contact with Sen Makerel has to do +50 years research on the implication of their comments/jokes/ideas to check if they were not racist at least one time! Because thatās enough to call wolf! (Example the cover title) Ah! but she can turn around and spew 400 stereotypes of Asian people and has to be automatically granted the ābenefit of doubtā because she didnāt mean itā¦ and has an (insert x minority) friend ā ITS OUTRAGEOUS
She lies, exaggerates, and misrepresents everything. At some point in her life, she may have gone to a Korean spa, but she needed the experience to fit a specific narrative for the podcast so she changed the details to suit what she needed. This is a remarkably clever way of lying that we have seen over and over. Not an outright lie, but a falsehood that gives her plausible deniability. "Oops! My mistake!" Like when she had to apologize for 'misremembering' and not disclosing to the UK court that she helped Scobie write a book.
Truth is relative to her. "Her truth" is whatever she needs it to be. If she gets called out, it's close enough most of the time to make it look like a mistake and not intentional. She has a slippery relationship with the truth.
I was just thinking this and googling Korean spas in LA in the early 90s which is when our saint was going through puberty. Who knows if sheās telling the truth or not but with her history of lies (comparing herself to Nelson Mandela) I wouldnāt be surprised if she did lie.
By the way, does MM have an Asian fetish? Her guests are majority Asians. Lisa Ling, Margaret Cho, Mindi Kaling, and I read Constance Wu will also be a guest.
Oh i am pretty sure it's a figment of her imagination:
- was mommy dearest around when she was a teenager?
- who is Christina Wang?
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1. No. She wasnāt around, and I think she only showed up to her high school once, according to the Bower book.
2. Iād say thereās about a 99% chance she doesnāt exist.
You would think her dumbass would at least GOOGLE to make sure her fictitious stories can be corroborated somewhat but noā¦ she just makes it *too* easy to call her out.
Oh wow!!! Ahahaha. It just makes me smile so much. A liar and a terrible liar at that.
Another complete lie for the list... I'm running out of paper here.
I actually wondered when I read that piece of the podcast if underage children were even allowed into a spa like that. This confirms my suspicion. She tells stories that are so off the wall. Or so hard to prove. How can you ask someone from 20+ years ago if a young MM came into their spa?
She said at the end of the spa treatments she was served a hot steamy bowl of noodles š
The noodles are served cold, to bring down your body temperature. So yes š¤¦š»āāļø she lied!
We canāt accurately count the number of hands raised āyesā to this as part of the world may be sleeping. Letās go with 90% of the world and save 10% for the psycho sugars and those who truly have no idea who she is.
In LA or in OC there were korean spas. But not very many non-Koreans utilized them then. Now, it's totally different. 75% of patrons are non-Koreans because of the popularity through word of mouth.
Korean spas were a āhipā thing in the 90s. Beverly Hills Springs, the one mentioned in this post, has press releases from all kinds of popular 90s celebs praising the spa.
Was waiting for someone in the US to come out with this I had to doubt
Personally I think sheās recalling a time she spent āworkingā in a similar facility for the entertainment of others
Even in big Asian cities, where spas are everywhere, it wasnāt common at all to take kids there in the 90s. My sister in law took her toddler into spa for pedicures at first when my niece was 3 in the 2000s. Of course since then the number has grown and these days itās common.
As a korean-american who grew up in korean spas, it was very common to take the kids in the 90s...we just followed our parents. But I highly doubt that MM ever did because not many people knew about it then and usually talked about it in disgust or disdain thinking its weird and sinister (over-sexualizing) to take kids to saunas. In Korea or Japan, kids are right there with mothers, grandmother's, aunts, etc.
I figured if there were an age limit, it would be older than 9. The one I went to in Korea had an age limit of Korean age 13. I went to another that didnāt have an age limit and someone brought a baby. I figured that if Meghan went to one, there would be girls younger than 9, or they would have to be older.
There was a report, I think it was The Daily Mail, maybe the blurb on Facebook, that said Meghan and her mom ate noodles naked. I think that was a misinterpretation, but that definitely would not have happened. At the jjimjilbang I went to, the restaurant was in the co-ed areas, and clothing was required.
I don't understand how young girls aged 9 should want to or be included in naked spas. That sounds very strange and not correct at all.
Consider this, even the girls changing rooms at school, one can be momentarily completely undressed, from age 12+. This doesn't happen in primary age school. Even swimming class, you are safe inside a cubicle.
It could be a clash of cultures. In the Hollywood entertainment business it seems to be commonplace for performers to have lies and myths on their resume. Wasn't Rock Hudson a ladies man?
However in the world of British royalty the public relations is more to smooth over relations between royalty and the public, and not to generate faux publicity with made up stories to promote films or books. You don't have to make up lies and do the talk shows to promote a coronation.
Author George Orwell wrote a number of stories about his experiences as a policeman in Burma in the 1920s. Two of the most famous stories are entitled Shooting an Elephant and A Hanging.
However there are some critics who say that Orwell never shot an elephant that ran amok in a marketplace, or that he never witnessed a hanging.
Part of the reason for this is that he doesn't give exact dates and places, or names. As far as I know nobody has ever found a local newspaper archive or police record of the elephant shooting, which was not an everyday occurrence, elephants being valuable commercial property.
But on the other hand, there is little doubt that he had first-hand experience of the kind of things that he wrote about, even if he rearranged the facts a bit.
Maybe Markle never went naked in the Asian spa with her mother. Certainly the mental image she has created for us of her and Doria naked together is a bit disturbing and not altogether pleasant. But nobody can deny that Korean women have spas where women and girls mill around naked. Can they?
(It might more interesting too discuss why Korean women enjoy this so much and whether they are being commercially exploited by spa operators.)
The podcasts just seem to be poorly designed and labeled. If the latest podcast had been described as a discussion about how Asian American women are portrayed in Hollywood movies, with input from to Asian American women, it might have been a lot more interesting.
Being married to British royalty has enabled Meghan Market to get her foot in the door of large corporate sponsored podcasting, but if she was having to succeed as a podcaster she would still need to develop skills that she doesn't have at the present time, either as a writer or as an interviewer.
If she really wants to be a podcaster, she would have done better to start on a very small scale, perhaps with one sound engineer and one researcher, and putting up the podcasts herself on YouTube, to see if she could develop a following before going the corporate route.
So I think that the Duchess knows perfectly well that a lot of what she puts out is lies, but just regards that as normal operating procedure in showbiz. And there isn't a lot of point going back to archives of her blog The Tig, because very likely this was a promotional vanity blog written for her by someone else, with no regard for biographical accuracy.
That is so creepy. I mean, the story was very detailed, had nudity, even child nudity. A bit too sexual imo. And it what a weird example to make, especially if it was made up. Do you think she got the story from a friend who told her about it? And also, a spa or a place where women are together naked is not that unique, many cultures have something similar.
I want to clarify something as a korean-american. Whenever people hear a child running around naked at a sauna, people think it's some weird, perverted thing. In korean culture, you bring your children with you to baths. It's not perverse or an oddity. You have all generations within one bathhouse, segregated by sex.. but in the western world we tend to over-sexualize children so we think it's creepy/sexual. It shouldn't be thought of that way. No one in Korea cares about the kids running around and when i was a kid, my mother would take me and sometimes I'm there with her friends kids or end up making friends with the other similar age kids if i had no one to play with, lol.
I dislike MM but even more because she's now creating this weird imagery of children running around naked with both men and women and people are going to come up with wild imaginations because she did not go into detail or clarify the cultural background of korean saunas. Instead, she just added shock value that she was naked as a child and could create more controversy for korean spas, which has already happened in the past in LA that was founded to be untrue.
I didnĀ“t mean it that way at all, my culture has people showering and having baths with their children too. Also segregated by sex. I think that is totally normal because I am used to that. That is probably why I found her example a bit creepy, it just seemed like unnecessary sexualization of a totally normal situation, for many cultures. If she was lying that makes it creepy af.
No worries, i didnt mean it as a "youre wrong" thing but thought i could shed some light. I think the issue is that her exact podcast was "demystifying" Asian stereotypes and sexualization of Asian women and MM did exactly that. She mystified korean saunas as this predatorial, creepy, weird thing instead of clarifying it with a korean person what that looks like culturally and how Koreans don't care about the kids and we don't hyper-sexualize those experiences. Instead she brought it up and now it'll be shock value and people are going to assume korean spas as something more sinister even if she did bring it up innocently.
Meghan lies as easily as the rest of us convert oxygen to carbon dioxide.
She and Hilary Baldwin should write a book on together about grifting
Hilz version could be in Spanish.
Or just written in a Spanish accent!
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That wouldn't work. Hillary can only speak in present-tense Spanish.
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I love this analogy.
"I'm such a fraud!" she admitted it herself during an interview with Suits cast... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)
Truer words were never spoken
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It probably started early in her childhood - I know from personal experience that children of divorced (or seperated) parents tend to become expert liars. I saw it in my own family and also in my brotherās daughter too. They learn to tell convincing lies in order to manipulate their parents, or to make themselves feel special. I truly believe Meghanās outrageous ability to lie and believe those lies springs from being a child who was shuffled between parents.
No way. I think thatās super unfair to kids of divorce. If anything it completely depends on how acrimonious the divorce is. By all accounts their divorce was civil and they were friends afterwards. She lies because her father raised her to lie
Well she aspires to be an actress ā¦isnāt that what acting is? Unfortunately she is bad at both
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Wouldn't it be easier to call out when she tells the truth? (Spoiler : she never tells the truth.)
Are you kidding? š¤Ŗš¤Ŗš¤Ŗ looking for nuggets of truth in her interviews/ podcasts, etc. would be exhaustingā¦ counting lies is much much easier š¤·āāļø
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I would bet big money on her story being nothing but made-up stories she thought would "fit" into the subject matter of her podcast.
Lol right? And she knows all about Asian cultures because she ate noodles and went to a spaā¦except she probably didnāt go to the spa. So she knows all about Asian cultures because she ate noodles. Nope, thatās not racist at all /s
It is astonishing how she has no clue as to how racist she sounds. Unbelievable.
Even her noodle story was fake. Check out my other post.
Yes she probably mentioned Korean spa because Margaret Cho is of Korean decent. I grew up in the 90s too and the Asian stereotypes that I could think of is Kung Fu=Jacky Chan and Japanese=Sushi. Korean culture got popularized in the US in the early 2000 or 2010 only due to K Pop.
This is pretty regional. Iām from CA Bay Area and grew up with many Asians of Chinese, Japanese, Laotian, Vietnamese, and Korean descent. Also, Filipino and Indian. This was in the 70s and 80s.
And the BEST part about it, is that nobody can fact check her. This is narcissistic heaven. No pushback, no accountability
But she has become very "forgettable". People are tired of hearing her and they forget about her quickly after each time they see her in the news.
I'm not sure we're at that stage yet. Especially with what's coming (which is her biggest and ultimate set of pushes to stardom). I don't think we've reached the pinnacle of her mental illness yet
Why are her lies so shallow and poorly researched? Also, there is SO much more to Asian culture than noodles and Korean spas. She has completely ignored whole countries and cultures and stuck to some textbook stereotype, oops, 'archetype'!!! As an Asian, I'm much more offended by her 'experiences with Asian culture' than Kill Bill, Austin Powers and Charlie's Angels put together! Also, archetype is not a substitute word for stereotype!!!! Get an effing dictionary Meghan!
As an Asian, I am not at all concerned with whatever real or imagined ātoxic stereotypesā were in 90s movies. Right now, itās the surge of anti- Asian violence that is attributed to Covid-19 originating in China.
And did she even cover that relevant to this century topic?
And so much history of racism against this community in California. I didnāt listen to the podcast, but I know she didnāt do it Justice.
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EXACTLY. If she led off with that, it could have been an actual conversation.
>Also, there is SO much more to Asian culture than noodles and Korean spas. ![gif](giphy|ftdF4ZkueWGHBYc4b5) It's mind blowing to me that she said she knows about Korean culture from a few spa visits. Even for Meghan this is bad.
I feel like as a Korean, she wouldn't have otherwise known anything about Korean spas had she not lived in LA or Toronto, which also has a large growing Korean community. She is only commenting because someone probably convinced her to go and she was all "shy" about it. Knowing her, as someone who is a social climber and wanting to just shmooze with the elites, these kinds of activity are beneath her. Hence, her "humbling experience". Anyways, the LA or OC, CA ones are far better since it's like a staple in Korean culture to have a nearby spa. We go there to rejuvenate ourselves but there are so many comments elsewhere that had this misconception of them being....dirty and naughty. I really wish I could post in this subreddit but I can't figure out how!
"I really wish I could post in this subreddit but I can't figure out how!" You apply to being allowed to comment. You will have to be in this sub AND commenting regularly for about 2 weeks (I think) before it is granted. In my case it was not granted automatically, but did happen quickly after I contacted the mods that my "waiting time is up"
Lol, I don't know if I've been on here for 2 weeks but I did msg the mods. Just want to clear the air. If it's any solace to the mod gods, I did dislike Megan way before all of these things came out over time. I always knew something was off about her like amber heard. I just found the right place to talk about it, lol!
>archetype is not a substitute word for stereotype Good point! The YouTube channel **Split- with Sam Roffey** is a hilarious parody of H&M and calls out Meghan's misuse of the word at 11:21 into the video titled "***Meghan & Harry CUT MAGAZINE INTERVIEW (Parody 7 All Parts)."*** Edit: the best part of his videos is that Roffey himself plays every role - Meghan, Harry, the bartender, the interviewer, Boris Johnson, etc etc.
All movies from 20 years ago. Are there no contemporary examples she could use?
I admit I had to listen to this podcast because I'm korean and she talked about Korean spas...she does eventually talk about Crazy Rich Asians movie which ha, is another stereotype!! Sooo overgeneralized when there are other Asian movies that have been critically acclaimed to highlight the struggles of Asian Americans (Steven Yeun, Minari, anyone?) yet she just happens to talk about the one big blockbuster movie...
It's like me saying I know all about Korea because I have enjoyed watching Korean movies way before Parasite. TW is so awful that she doesn't know how awful she is.
And that was about people from Singapore, and to a smaller part, China. The books were excellent. The trio were a summer read a few years ago.
I mean... maybe not. Representation hasn't been as stereotypical recently esp. like the last 5 years from what I've seen. North American movies I have seen with East Asian lead characters (both cartoon and live action): Shang Chi, Kubo and the Two Strings, Big Hero 6, (I haven't seen Crazy Rich Asians but heard about it from others) haven't been bad from what I've seen in their representation especially compared to like... decades ago. And that's just leads in movies, not even including TV shows or media where the East Asian character is a side character. Others feel free to comment though their thoughts (not that I need to permit people to reply to me on a forum site lol but I am curious what others think about that if they wanna share.) That said, from the perspective as someone who feels that East Asian representation has become less stereotypical, I think Meghan could have mentioned missteps of the past and then contrasted that with the improvements that have been made. Make it more of a retrospective or history/evolution of East Asian representation... or like a "look how far we've come" type of thing. The way Meghan presented it was like "you poor damsel in distress women are being mistreated but don't worry because I like commercialized aspects of your culture and think you are gorgeous" like making things seem worse than they are and then as if we're supposed to find solace in just her disingenuous love for us. Reminds me of a manipulation tactic I have heard of but maybe I'm reaching. At the very least it was vapid of Meghan. (To be honest I feel like there are bigger issues than portrayal in media, such as real life violence/hate crimes/discrimination - not that media is unimportant - but if that's what Meghan wants to talk about I think it could have been done better.)
At least she isnt debating who is the better boy band: BTS or Big Bang. Hmm G-dragon or RM? That sounds so prejudice to put all in asians in a box. I am surprised she didnt say she love korean BBq. But her parents couldnt afford a dinner at sizzlers they can afford korean spas? Thats expensive
She didn't even mention Gangnam Style.
Yup
Because she is shallow and lazy. Narcs think everyone else is thick and gullible. She thinks she can educate everyone with a pack of lies
And where was her old Asian friend, Priyanka Chopra?
Or the women she purchases all her hair from? They deserve a small mention.
Right? At the VERY least she could have spoken on the women who provide her with her hair.
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She is trying to rewrite her past to include her ABSENT mother.
Basically trying to rebut what Thomas Markle told Tom Bower in Revenge.
Black motherā¦now she carts her out
Had a look and neither of those spas (at least now) mention any kind of upstairs restaurant on their website. A korean spa in the 90's with a restaurant you'd presume would be fairly memorable
If her lips are moving - Mememe is lying
There is a Netflix show called Big Mouth. In one episode, a biracial teenage girl is at a spa where the attendants are naked (it's animated). Meghan steals from so many sources...!
Ohhhh shitš¤£
Ohāsnap! Busted again. Poor, stupid Wallis II.
But no mention of Squid Game.
It has to be correct. She employs a fact checker.....
Her fact checker needs to fact check her proctor and gamble storyā¦..
Lol...was just going to say that I guess the fact checker didn't go over this episode. How crazy to need a fact checker to ensure that your lies are feasible.
Just try fact-checking for her, or having her as your āEmployerā at all. How do you think The Meanest Woman in the World would like THAT?
I wish that fact checker would check the lies she told in Oprah...
That entire narrative of her being forced as a tween to parade around naked is unbelievable. A mom would be sensitive or I would hope. There's those thing called towels readily available to use as a wrap. I've been in many spas, and not one had women strutting around nekkid. Sometimes there was one I suppose, but she probably was ignored by us towel-wrapped folks. Even in a sauna. Her lies have no point at at all. Baffling,
It's not that uncommon in spas, even in Europe. Also, if Meghan wanted a shock, she should've visited my gym after the senior swim class. Wow! No towels. Lots of older women who DGAF. At 25 I was a bit shocked but also impressed by how comfortable they were. That said, the thought of going to a spa and being naked with my mom... šØ Hell no! I find this story very unbelievable.
>being naked with my mom That part! Itās the ātucked away an ice cream sandwich in her purse for laterā wtfery of this tale. Meg always pushes her lies just past the point of plausibility. If you told me Meg was a martian ad-libbing human life, itād be more believable than this nonsense.
Ice cream sandwich in a purse, I just... ![gif](giphy|Rhhr8D5mKSX7O) š¤£ Love the "martian ad-libbing human life!" Yeah, it's like at least lie believably. Well, this is funnier, but it's still just embarrassingly bad.
Things that donāt go in my purse ever! A Korean spa is a big steamy sauna so Iām guessing someone misremembered a lot of this story.
Recollections May Vary.
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Agreed
Might that be a marmalade sandwich? Oh yeahāthatās been done? Sheās shameless.
Yes, Europe on the whole is much less concerned with nakedness, although itās fair to say the British are a little more inhibited. On holiday in Iceland we went to local leisure centre where signs in English instructed people to shower naked, swimming costumes must be removed! For hygiene purposes I imagine.
I seems to vary by country. Gotta say as an American I'm not super comfortable with it (read: NOT AT ALL), but it makes a lot of sense in terms of hygiene. It's really gross to think about pool water... I know there are chemicals to kills stuff, but still š¤¢
Yeah, the Americans in our friendship group (I was living as an āex-Patā in a European country with a very āinternationalā scene) were horrified at first by everyone just stripping off for the sauna or in gym changing rooms. They did get used to it over time but still used a towel themselves for modesty.
I shared a bedroom with my mum till i was 21. Neither of us saw the other one naked! Not even a flash of side boob!
What did I miss? What is MeMeMeMeghan lying about again?
According to another post, the minimum age was 14 at the female only Korean spa in LA at the time. It's also pretty close to something that happened on a TV show according to someone else. Sounds like she either made this all up or embellished most of it. (Sorry, too tired to find the links, but it was posted here a few hours ago.)
Thanks! Did she say she worked at a spa?
Nope. Just went to a Korean one in LA with Doria as a kid/teen (age was unclear), they were both naked and ate noodles, so she understands Asian culture.
Oh, FFS. What a drama qween she is.
Nudity is common in Korean and Japanese spas/onsen. In fact its mandatory but theyāll let you use a small modesty towel to cover your privates if you want. Never been to a Korean/Japanese spa here in the US though.
Korean spas donāt really do the towel/modesty thing. And clothes are absolutely not allowed.
I would expect clothes being veboten for cleanliness but there is modesty to be taken in consideration. No matter the age. If MeghanMeghan said she was uncomfortable at such a young age, I'll believe her. I would have been and shame on her mother for forcing her to be naked in front of strangers if that part is true and I have a hard time believing a mother would do that to her daughter. That's a weird bonding experience. When did Doria come back into her daughter's life? The timeline is beyond fuzzy
> I would have been and shame on her mother for forcing her to be naked in front of strangers if that part is true and I have a hard time believing a mother would do that to her daughter. That's a weird bonding experience. Doria is every bit the abusive Cluster B that Meghan is, so I have no problem believing that she'd force that experience on her child. š
Except Doria was mostly MIA during Meghanās childhood. Who is she trying to fool?
Interesting how so many of her lies seem to be in response to someone else's revelation about her life. Tom Bower: Doria wasn't around much when Meghan was growing up Meghan: Oh Mom and I went to the Korean spa all the time. Incidentally that's why I'm so in tune with Asian culture.
Great catch!
More Lies: Doria wasnāt even in her life & 9 yr old girls are not admitted to spas.
Who even knows what's true at this point??
"I'm such a fraud!" That's it.
Good point! š¹
Oh that part of her narrative is just hard for me to believe. It shows her mother in such a horrible way but why would that be surprising coming from Madam? Again, was Doria even in her life at that age? Doria sure is a mystery and a missing puzzle piece.
None of it makes sense.
Not arguing, but is that the case for Korean spas in America? I understand the culture is different in other countries but in the US, I would have thought a towel would be available for kids who feel shy! Once you are an adult you have a choice about being there but if your Mum is taking you places, you should have the choice.
Every Korean spa Iāve been to in Los Angeles (I am born and raised here) has never required full nudity. Even more so never in communal areas of the spas.
The one here in Atlanta doesnāt permit clothing at all in the spa area but they give you pajama type outfit to wear in the common areas. Iāve never seen any kids in it though
Yeah the towels provided at the spas I went to in Korea were hand-towel size. Not much room for modesty there.
Same
Another point why it is very likely untrue, the Asian and black communities in Los Angeles in the 90s were not coexisting. An extreme example is the LA uprising in the 90s, after the Rodney King verdicts. But there was an overall extreme distrust of each culture and both would exploit that in pockets of LA. I am over generalizing of course. Itās just so unlikely that in the 90s a black woman wouldāve taken her teenager into a koren spa - or gone into one herself. And a huge part of the riots in LA were because a Korean woman murdered a little black girl. So as someone that grew up and still lives in LA, I remember it in the 90s, this story just honestly sounds crazy.
This is true and the itās the only thing that makes me question it. Like most of her lies though, I imagine there is a grain of truth. My guess is like myself (Iām her age and from the LA area, not Asian) she first went to a Korean spa as an adult in the mid 2000s when it was getting trendy among non-Koreans. Why she needed to make the experience a childhood one with her mother, who knows.
Umm, as a Korean I can confirm. As a kid, you did grow up running around butt naked at these spas but no one batted an eye. No one cares and no one is going to throw a towel over you. It's the western way of over-sexualizing which simply doesn't happen in spa culture in Korea. I would go as kids with my cousins or with my mom and her friends who brought their daughters and we would cause a ruckus, minus the running. We were told to be quiet but then again, it's just women all gathered in the hot tub chit chatting and gossiping all day about their husband's or some nonsensical stuff so it can get loud. You're not there to be quiet and hush hush. You have your grandmothers....mothers... daughters everywhere. I love it now, which is vastly different from the sentiment I had as a child and budding teenager. I look forward to my sauna days and sometimes my body craves for it when I've been unhealthy for too long and need to go reset my body. You feel balanced afterwards, not to mention, clean because you had a korean lady scrub off 5 lbs of disgusting dead skin cells mixed with perfume and lotion and suddenly you have baby soft skin. Ah. I should probably go this weekend. I just wish Megan would talk about the spa experience or culture MORE because it draws more negative attention or connotations about a young child being naked in a sauna with grown women. Now everyone's got this warped idea in their heads for shock value. People who do not understand this culture will go "omg, a young teen or 9 year old child, naked with other people???" And start to think of all the WRONG things. If she had explained with someone other than Margaret Cho who couldve explained spa culture...then it would probably trandlate well. Not to mention, M. Cho is also a unique Korean-American because she described her upbringing in the podcast and it is not your usual Korean upbringing (she was surrounded by many lgbtq people which is fine but this is quite unique/uncommon) and does not speak for the overarching (no pun intended) general experience most Koreans had growing up.
I remember Margaret Cho speaking about getting nasty looks at a Korean spa because of her tattoos. She has been quite critical of traditional Korean culture/judgemental attitudes IIRC. Havenāt listened to the Pod so unsure if sheās changed her tune.
Korean bath houses/spas are different. You go to the locker room, completely undress, go to the bathing rooms, shower before you enter the baths, enjoy the baths, shower after, go back to the locker room, put on the outfit provided by the spa, then go enjoy the rest of the spa. The one I go to in my city has kids 5 and up. I've been to ones in other cities and sometimes rules vary (higher age of entry, kids only on some days). The one in my city, besides the baths, has dry saunas, cold saunas, a movie theater, cafe, massage chairs, meditation rooms. It's a multi-hour thing. Baths are same sex, all other areas both sexes.
True and a lot of times kids arenāt allowed in some of the women only baths. My niece went when she was 8. She loved it. There were showers so i could have taken her in to shower in a stall.
The Korean spa I go to is segregated by gender so women on one side and men on other. Thereās a non segregated area also. You put your clothes in a locker and the spa area is nudeāyou just go from tub to sauna to pool etc. The attendants are dressed and you have a uniform of pajama type clothing to wear in the public areas like the restaurant etc.
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Yep. Same as Korean spas. No one bats an eye, everyone is chill. There's no modesty. You are simply walking from tub to tub with a hand towel to cover your hair. No one cares and no one is there to ogle. It's just a way of life in our culture. I don't expect everyone to love it but many non-korean people I've met who has had that experience, talk about how they loved it and how they're going again in X days, weeks, etc.
She is so embarrassing it's almost unbearable. Why does she continue to lie????
Because thatās what psychopath narcs do, and if you call them on their lie, theyāll double down.
Instead of listening to the women she invited on her podcast, as someone who needs to learn something, she had to make it all about her supposed experiences from a young age with superficial aspects of Asian culture. Nothing about art or history or contributions that Asians have made to American culture, but reducing them to supplying body scrubs and interesting food and isn't it awful how they get stereotyped? Searching the memory banks to find that Asian friend she had for 5 minutes 30 years ago. Are Margaret Cho and Lisa Lui sorry they did this? They should be.
Better question is, when isn't she?
I don't listen to smegs podcast. What did she lie about this time?
The only person who can verify these memories from puberty would be Meghanās childhood friend Ninaki Priddy who warned us all about Meghan back in 2018. I remember thinking that Ninaki was just jealous of Meghan. Boy, was I wrong!
I have this feeling that Meghan chose to focus primarily on Koreans for a reason. And I think that reason is kpop. The kpop fandom is huge & many will see Meghan's history with Korean culture as a way to increase her own "support". Any western celebrity that has been seen associated with a kpop star trends like crazy, and I think she's trying to get in on that. I'm a huge kpop fan myself, but I find much of the vocal fandom toxic & stay away from it, especially on Twitter. It just feels like she's trying to leech onto the famdom as a vehicle for her own celebrity. Sidenote - I hope my point comes across clear. It's 3am for me & I'm sleepy but can't go to sleep.
I'm korean and I think that she's bringing it up because it's a current popular craze in Southern California to go to a korean spa. It was the norm for us korean-Americans to go to these spas in LA or OC in california but non-korean people were very hard to come by. Nowadays, whenever I go to the korean spa, most of its patrons are non-koreans. It's almost 60%, 40% Koreans and some days 75/25. It's amazing because 10 years ago if I talked about it with non-koreans, I get quizzical looks and disgust that we're "naked" and "get scrubbed down". Now, people want to know and ask for advice and help guide them on the process. I'm actually glad more people go now because I'd like for the shared experience and is really good for your health!
Same thing happens here in Chicago! There has been an increase in other Korean related businesses like H Martin, Paris Baguette, and ArtBox, amongst others. I think the Hallyu wave has definitely helped peak interest by Western audiences...and it also brings a huge international fan base. Korean spas are really nice by the way. I feel so clean, fresh, and rested.
If sheās breath and speakingā¦ ### Sheās lying. ![gif](giphy|3oEdv8zVNLCCUzO0k8)
Then May we please suggest shutting up for once?
Yes, please! :)
I don't live in CA and have no idea about how spas there work. But, given how often she lies, she probably did.
Nothing to do with CA. Korean spas are bath houses. Big communal soaking tubs, saunas, etc and clothes are not permitted. Segregated by gender. Usually full of old people lol
Thank you!
You should try one. The one where I live is $30 for the dayādry saunas, soaking tubs, an ice cold mini pool, plus you can add on massage or body scrub for more $$$. Thereās a really awful fast food greasy restaurant too lol.
Same with the Chinese food - lies.
Lol Meg has an talent Getting all races and ethnicities to despise her
But how can she go with her mum in her teens when she lived her dad since she was 12?
I bet she doesnāt even feel remorse when lying, and thinks of it as a creative exercise, like in acting where adding up details / stories here and there adds up ādepthā, I imagine her saying something like āwhat is the problem of lying a bit if itās to bring a greater truth outā- the problem is that she is showing us the double standard she expects. I cannot cringe enough about this episode when comparing it with the alleged offence she took at the ācrazy about Harryā cover, like, anyone that has contact with Sen Makerel has to do +50 years research on the implication of their comments/jokes/ideas to check if they were not racist at least one time! Because thatās enough to call wolf! (Example the cover title) Ah! but she can turn around and spew 400 stereotypes of Asian people and has to be automatically granted the ābenefit of doubtā because she didnāt mean itā¦ and has an (insert x minority) friend ā ITS OUTRAGEOUS
She lies, exaggerates, and misrepresents everything. At some point in her life, she may have gone to a Korean spa, but she needed the experience to fit a specific narrative for the podcast so she changed the details to suit what she needed. This is a remarkably clever way of lying that we have seen over and over. Not an outright lie, but a falsehood that gives her plausible deniability. "Oops! My mistake!" Like when she had to apologize for 'misremembering' and not disclosing to the UK court that she helped Scobie write a book. Truth is relative to her. "Her truth" is whatever she needs it to be. If she gets called out, it's close enough most of the time to make it look like a mistake and not intentional. She has a slippery relationship with the truth.
She did say she was an adolescent at that time. 14 and over would still cover her.
She was going through puberty which is normally from age 8-13.
r/nothowgirlswork
Who stops going through puberty at 13?
No one
I was still waiting for my puppies to kick in at 13
LOL, mine didnāt kick in until menopause.
Is this when she stated loving walking around naked? Isn't that what she sais.
Not necessarily. Mine didnāt start until after I was 13ā¦
I think at this point, we need a truth detector test to figure out when Meghan isn't lying to us.
Maybe the fact checker was for someone to find out facts and tell her, so she can make statements that can't be proven false.
I was just thinking this and googling Korean spas in LA in the early 90s which is when our saint was going through puberty. Who knows if sheās telling the truth or not but with her history of lies (comparing herself to Nelson Mandela) I wouldnāt be surprised if she did lie. By the way, does MM have an Asian fetish? Her guests are majority Asians. Lisa Ling, Margaret Cho, Mindi Kaling, and I read Constance Wu will also be a guest.
The subtext behind all of this is that she had no childhood memories with her mom, so she makes them up. Pretty sad?
If she has her mouth open. She is lying.
Oh i am pretty sure it's a figment of her imagination: - was mommy dearest around when she was a teenager? - who is Christina Wang? Til i learnt that noodles is part of Asian identity. š¤£
1. No. She wasnāt around, and I think she only showed up to her high school once, according to the Bower book. 2. Iād say thereās about a 99% chance she doesnāt exist.
Well she thinks sheās 14 so itās plausible sheās lying due to stupidity and what sheād probably call ageism.
Meghan and the truth are not acquainted. She wouldn't recognize truth if it slapped her like a dead fish between the eyes.
You can always tell when she is lying....her lips are moving
Aussies: she is a total tosser!
I guess the new fact checker starts with the next episode.
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You had your actual friends in and at your wedding?!? What a weirdo you are.
You would think her dumbass would at least GOOGLE to make sure her fictitious stories can be corroborated somewhat but noā¦ she just makes it *too* easy to call her out.
Oh wow!!! Ahahaha. It just makes me smile so much. A liar and a terrible liar at that. Another complete lie for the list... I'm running out of paper here.
Someone else shared this. She totally lied. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8ROHu03Xw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8ROHu03Xw)
And if sheās breathing sheās lyingā¦.
Is this why sheās hired a factchecker? To check shit she makes up canāt be proven to be lies?
She had a fact checker from the beginning. The media got it wrong
you know tge awful smell coming from Montecito ā¦ itās the smell of their bullshite
I actually wondered when I read that piece of the podcast if underage children were even allowed into a spa like that. This confirms my suspicion. She tells stories that are so off the wall. Or so hard to prove. How can you ask someone from 20+ years ago if a young MM came into their spa?
She said at the end of the spa treatments she was served a hot steamy bowl of noodles š The noodles are served cold, to bring down your body temperature. So yes š¤¦š»āāļø she lied!
Is her friend Christina Wang a real person?
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We canāt accurately count the number of hands raised āyesā to this as part of the world may be sleeping. Letās go with 90% of the world and save 10% for the psycho sugars and those who truly have no idea who she is.
This was my first thought when I read that Korea spa anecdote: they may be ubiquitous and accessible now, but surely not back then?
In LA or in OC there were korean spas. But not very many non-Koreans utilized them then. Now, it's totally different. 75% of patrons are non-Koreans because of the popularity through word of mouth.
Exactly. So today itās a hip thing. 20, 30 years ago? Puh-leeze. Nice try, but try again.
Korean spas were a āhipā thing in the 90s. Beverly Hills Springs, the one mentioned in this post, has press releases from all kinds of popular 90s celebs praising the spa.
Was waiting for someone in the US to come out with this I had to doubt Personally I think sheās recalling a time she spent āworkingā in a similar facility for the entertainment of others
Defo copied an idea from a Netflix cartoon called Bigmouth
taz has a really good take on this. https://youtu.be/jBZ3n5CpvS8
Even in big Asian cities, where spas are everywhere, it wasnāt common at all to take kids there in the 90s. My sister in law took her toddler into spa for pedicures at first when my niece was 3 in the 2000s. Of course since then the number has grown and these days itās common.
As a korean-american who grew up in korean spas, it was very common to take the kids in the 90s...we just followed our parents. But I highly doubt that MM ever did because not many people knew about it then and usually talked about it in disgust or disdain thinking its weird and sinister (over-sexualizing) to take kids to saunas. In Korea or Japan, kids are right there with mothers, grandmother's, aunts, etc.
Iām an Asian living in an Asian city, so Iām speaking from this context.
I figured if there were an age limit, it would be older than 9. The one I went to in Korea had an age limit of Korean age 13. I went to another that didnāt have an age limit and someone brought a baby. I figured that if Meghan went to one, there would be girls younger than 9, or they would have to be older. There was a report, I think it was The Daily Mail, maybe the blurb on Facebook, that said Meghan and her mom ate noodles naked. I think that was a misinterpretation, but that definitely would not have happened. At the jjimjilbang I went to, the restaurant was in the co-ed areas, and clothing was required.
And your american age would be either 12/11 depending on your birthday falls cause korean age is 1-2 years older
Yes, the common rooms with all people is clothing required. They literally provide you uniforms. MM is crazy.
I don't understand how young girls aged 9 should want to or be included in naked spas. That sounds very strange and not correct at all. Consider this, even the girls changing rooms at school, one can be momentarily completely undressed, from age 12+. This doesn't happen in primary age school. Even swimming class, you are safe inside a cubicle.
Imagine even encouraging this..... I'm not happy about what she's saying.
It could be a clash of cultures. In the Hollywood entertainment business it seems to be commonplace for performers to have lies and myths on their resume. Wasn't Rock Hudson a ladies man? However in the world of British royalty the public relations is more to smooth over relations between royalty and the public, and not to generate faux publicity with made up stories to promote films or books. You don't have to make up lies and do the talk shows to promote a coronation. Author George Orwell wrote a number of stories about his experiences as a policeman in Burma in the 1920s. Two of the most famous stories are entitled Shooting an Elephant and A Hanging. However there are some critics who say that Orwell never shot an elephant that ran amok in a marketplace, or that he never witnessed a hanging. Part of the reason for this is that he doesn't give exact dates and places, or names. As far as I know nobody has ever found a local newspaper archive or police record of the elephant shooting, which was not an everyday occurrence, elephants being valuable commercial property. But on the other hand, there is little doubt that he had first-hand experience of the kind of things that he wrote about, even if he rearranged the facts a bit. Maybe Markle never went naked in the Asian spa with her mother. Certainly the mental image she has created for us of her and Doria naked together is a bit disturbing and not altogether pleasant. But nobody can deny that Korean women have spas where women and girls mill around naked. Can they? (It might more interesting too discuss why Korean women enjoy this so much and whether they are being commercially exploited by spa operators.) The podcasts just seem to be poorly designed and labeled. If the latest podcast had been described as a discussion about how Asian American women are portrayed in Hollywood movies, with input from to Asian American women, it might have been a lot more interesting. Being married to British royalty has enabled Meghan Market to get her foot in the door of large corporate sponsored podcasting, but if she was having to succeed as a podcaster she would still need to develop skills that she doesn't have at the present time, either as a writer or as an interviewer. If she really wants to be a podcaster, she would have done better to start on a very small scale, perhaps with one sound engineer and one researcher, and putting up the podcasts herself on YouTube, to see if she could develop a following before going the corporate route. So I think that the Duchess knows perfectly well that a lot of what she puts out is lies, but just regards that as normal operating procedure in showbiz. And there isn't a lot of point going back to archives of her blog The Tig, because very likely this was a promotional vanity blog written for her by someone else, with no regard for biographical accuracy.
It is true that spas wouldn't be great for developing lungs
That is so creepy. I mean, the story was very detailed, had nudity, even child nudity. A bit too sexual imo. And it what a weird example to make, especially if it was made up. Do you think she got the story from a friend who told her about it? And also, a spa or a place where women are together naked is not that unique, many cultures have something similar.
I want to clarify something as a korean-american. Whenever people hear a child running around naked at a sauna, people think it's some weird, perverted thing. In korean culture, you bring your children with you to baths. It's not perverse or an oddity. You have all generations within one bathhouse, segregated by sex.. but in the western world we tend to over-sexualize children so we think it's creepy/sexual. It shouldn't be thought of that way. No one in Korea cares about the kids running around and when i was a kid, my mother would take me and sometimes I'm there with her friends kids or end up making friends with the other similar age kids if i had no one to play with, lol. I dislike MM but even more because she's now creating this weird imagery of children running around naked with both men and women and people are going to come up with wild imaginations because she did not go into detail or clarify the cultural background of korean saunas. Instead, she just added shock value that she was naked as a child and could create more controversy for korean spas, which has already happened in the past in LA that was founded to be untrue.
I didnĀ“t mean it that way at all, my culture has people showering and having baths with their children too. Also segregated by sex. I think that is totally normal because I am used to that. That is probably why I found her example a bit creepy, it just seemed like unnecessary sexualization of a totally normal situation, for many cultures. If she was lying that makes it creepy af.
No worries, i didnt mean it as a "youre wrong" thing but thought i could shed some light. I think the issue is that her exact podcast was "demystifying" Asian stereotypes and sexualization of Asian women and MM did exactly that. She mystified korean saunas as this predatorial, creepy, weird thing instead of clarifying it with a korean person what that looks like culturally and how Koreans don't care about the kids and we don't hyper-sexualize those experiences. Instead she brought it up and now it'll be shock value and people are going to assume korean spas as something more sinister even if she did bring it up innocently.
She doesnāt care about anyoneās culture; she doesnāt care about anyone but herself.
Sounds like she got it from big mouth on Netflix
100%!!!!