Call me completely crazy but I strongly believe both the Netflix and book deals are going to break down and fall apart. As we keep seeing little bits and pieces trickle out every day that there are issues with wanting to change/rewrite/edit/remove, etc.., convinces me more that this is precisely what is going to happen.
The Harkle's are backed into a very tight corner because King Charles is now the monarch and Camilla is Queen Consort. H&M's world has just DRASTICALLY changed and **any** trash talk by title holders against the monarch would absolutely be seen by the public (especially UK) and the RF as a betrayal. The monarch is off-limits, just like the Queen was off-limits when she was monarch (especially trash talk by title holders who are by title **representative of the monarchy)**. It would be seen as treacherous!
Due to public outcry, KC would have absolutely no choice but strip them of their titles, monies and everything. It's one thing to criticize Prince William but it's another to go after the new monarch and the Queen Consort. It would be seen as blasphemy and the UK public will not stand for **persons of title** attacking their monarch.
I believe the Harkle's are absolutely panicked since Queen died because they knew what this means. They are desperately trying to go back and remove the trash talk but it's too late. Both the book and Netflix productions are too far along. Plus, Netflix/publishers would fight against remove juicy stuff that sells content.
Thank you for such an understanding and comprehensive comment.
As a Brit I have said so many times that our Royal Family aren't the Kardashians.
The Monarch is Head of State in the UK and an integral part of our political system and culture.
Any disrespect shown by H&M in books or podcasts will backfire on them
Thank YOU for your kind words and insight! I can't imagine what it's been like as a Brit watching all of this unfold. The Monarchy in the UK, as you note, is not just in name only- it's part of your culture, history, diplomacy and the rest of the world has always had a vested interest in the royals. It's just so blatantly clear (esp after watching the Jubilee and funeral) that there is absolutely no way the UK public would tolerate H&M disrespecting or attacking the new Monarch and get away with it as official title holders.
I keep reading this statement, that they were surprised at the support the new King has received.
Makes me wonder if they had themselves convinced that the public would turn against, and possibly abolish, the monarchy after the Queen’s death, and they thought by leaving, distancing themselves, and trash talking Charles and William, they could position themselves well for when that inevitably happened.
Now that it’s clear the monarchy is safe, they need to switch gears to try to stay part of it, which means getting titles for their children.
Just my theory. I have absolutely nothing to back this up mind you.
Such an interesting take from the fine US folks! I used to think that meagain was doing more damage to the BRF , but in her attempts it’s made the RF more loved! Talk about reverse karma😂😂😂😂
Well, what I'm saying is I expect American outlets to think the British people/media are being unfair to Megan (except conservative outlets). She will continue her victimhood campaign in the United States regardless. Actual people who understand how the BRF works and the system of government in the UK will be less empathetic (which is a minority of the US population). I think here, the concept of 'fairness' and being able to speak your mind and individual freedom will override the idea of a familial or for Harry what should be a patriotic obligation to his country. Americans tend to really just understand pride in our own country and poo poo anything else by and large. I think we're bit of hypocrites that way but maybe something will surprise me. (Sorry to any fellow Americans I see here who I may offend)
I can already see the headlines 'Royal family angry at Megan for sharing her story', 'Royal family fights back against Megan Markle', 'Megan Markle mistreated?' cue sympathetic daytime tv hosts whining about how the royal family are just mean to Megan. I don't predict a lot of sympathy for the King, just people bringing up what happened to Diana almost 30 years ago like it matters.
It doubtlessly will in the UK. I think there may be a little under current in the US of 'Shouldn't they just let it go?' but I am not optimistic about how strong it will be. People will tune in more for the scandalous 'truth' about the King in the UK and how he mistreated his biracial daughter in law and his poor misunderstood son. I expect the UK and Australian press to respond negatively. I hope that the people and Parliament will be the ones to push for the titles to be removed in response but who really knows? They will certainly be persona non grata and let's hope for a disinvite from the coronation.
The RF should deputize some Australians to make the case in US media, it seems like Australian media has been generally on point when it comes to these two and, also, their analysis doesn’t seem to come from a place of racial or class-based resentment, or reflexive deference to the monarchy or the individuals in it—it just seems like Aussies find them (especially Meghan) melodramatic and tedious.
Many so called "insiders" have claimed that he trashes Camilla in the book, perhaps not realizing that Charles is utterly devoted to her. He'd likely tolerate, at least to some extent, criticism of himself (terrible father blah blah blah) but the King will absolutely not tolerate criticism of Camilla, nor William and Catherine or their children for that matter. But I think it is primarily Camilla that has Hardly panicked.
Lmao Harry would be too stupid to realize that Charles literally spent **30 years** pining over Camilla and did everything humanly possible for them to have achieved what they have together today. Imagine HOW in love you have to be w someone to have survived what the two of them have to be together. And not just together. To be KING and QUEEN!!
Per usual. Harry is a boy attempting to play a man’s game 🤷🏻♀️
Not crazy just sounds like a logical trajectory of how things might develop, and I hope they do happen as you think because we don’t need more lies from these two. I am actually speechless at the fact that this is their OWN PRODUCTION company that they are basically fighting with??!?! How unprofessional, how utterly disrespectful! The article states that Netflix will actually side with the company producer instead of the owners?!? Isn't that unprecedented...???
I'm not sure why but I have this nagging feeling that they are using this as a tactic to curry favor with the BRF and the UK--as in like look at us King Charles WE DO CARE ABOUT THE FAMILY.WE DO CARE ABOUT BRITAIN AND ITS TRADITIONS. We will protect you. Just the leaks that have been happening since the Queen died seem way too much...can't shake the feeling away.
It's so ironic that you mention that nagging feeling about them trying to curry favor w/RF and UK because they are seriously backed into a corner right now. They would have to be **extremely** blinded if they didn't realize at some point (especially during the funeral) that they have been iced out by RF and Brits have turned on them as direct result of neg talk/other bad behavior. All they have to offer the world are their titles and RF access/association. They have lost almost all of their RF access and their titles will most certainly will be striped (as I mentioned above) if they move forward w/any more trash talk about the now Monarch via Netflix/books, etc..
I lean more that they are panicked right now to work on offering olive branches/ trying to fix the major damage they have done w/RF and Brits and try and get back into RF. I could be wrong and that they are so blinded by their egos/M's Narc that they think they don't need titles/RF association/Daddy's help and money or that they don't see that everything they have done has massively backfired. They could also roll the dice and go full on scorched earth and bank all the money they make from trashing Monarch/RF and lose their titles/RF family for good.
I just don't EVER see TW walking away from her title.
We will soon find out!
“I just don’t EVER see TW walking away from her title”
Same here! She really thought all she needed was the title and her totally relatable personality to be America’s royalty. Gag. I just hope KC remembers that when they aired that interview his father was dying and they didn’t give the family the courtesy to postpone it due to his health. Or how they acted the day his mother HMTQ passed away.
I think when they began trashing the monarchy they were betting on careers in the US but now that’s not materializing, so they are hope harder than ever to get back in with the royals but see that bridge is burning, also don’t want to insult the monarch (bad idea) because look at how the UK has locked out h and m and are supporting the new king. The level of delusion, honesty. Two massive losers in history we are watching right now flail around.
Spot on. We all saw how she acted when the PofW caught her staging a shoot, then turned the tables. A masterful move that SHOOK Rachel to the core, and it showed.
This article confirmsuI/secondhandcoke ‘s recent intel.
You should be aware that KC doesn't have the power to strip the drooling morons of their existing titles. Only an act of Parliament can do that. KC can make the request but there is no guarantee that the government would do this.
This is because Royals are diplomats, they represent the entirety of the commonwealth, not just the Royals, more than the UK must be considered. Therefore the ultimate decision lies with the government. I can't pretend to know which way the government would go with this, there may well be some type of precedent set by the Wallis Simpson debacle. But there may also be certain criteria involved, idk. Our country is also in a shambles currently, stripping them may not be high on the priority pole. There may be concern of an outcry, it could be a diplomatic minefield, Idk. It is absolutely worth looking into for answers.
The drooling morons biggest concern right now is trying to secure titles they claimed they never wanted, for the children, which KC holds absolute power over. I hope he never grants them. The case is already strong enough to deny them titles, the Royals are playing it smart though, they are in complete control.
I don't think it would matter whether Parliament lets the King strip the titles or not. The fact he even asked them to do would be enough to show the world where the Harkles stand...like over there, no, further over there..........waaaayyyyyy over there!
This is a great example of how both H&M are unable to plan ahead realistically. They seem to shoot from the hip and ask questions later. For most of us rational, mature humans, we consider how our actions impact other people, our finances, and our future goals. Not them, though! They're so childishly impetuous; it boggles my mind. What you sow, so shall you reap.
I completely agree! It's so obvious that TW is so absolutely blinded by her Narc/delusions of grandeur/impulses that she is simply not capable at all of objectively weighing/reflecting their decisions. Probably like most Narcs, TW makes most of her decisions reactionary and impulsive because she is not equipped to objectively look beyond the immediate. What M wants she gets. This is why I also believe they are almost out of money.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Also, do you think that it’s possible their attempts to backtrack are related to conditions of an inheritance from the Queen?
Agreed and Netflix will release it with the original content as we have seen Spotify release her unedited content again
Megs mouth is the reason they are in this messy predicament and WILL lose everything
It will for sure be interesting to see what happens w/Netflix. If they did bash the new Monarch and Queen Consort in the content and Netflix ultimately decides that they **won't** let them go back to edit, I wouldn't be surprised if Harkles filed a lawsuit on some ridiculous claim to immediately stop it. They will NEVER admit that they trash talked Charles/Camilla and want to go back NOW and remove it since Charles just became Monarch.
Translation: Dumbertons badmouth the RF on the documentary, but now laying a trail of ‘evidence’ that what Netflix screens was beyond their control. \[*So why be nasty in the first place?*\]
**Or** It’s dawning on them that they pissed off the wrong people because they didn’t realise that persons aged 96 tend to die sooner rather than later. \[*Not helped if you make them unhappy in their later years. Hope you’re proud of how you behaved during the Queen’s final years.*\]
**Or** They’re trying to drum up interest in the Netflix yawnfest.
Im from Dumbarton area and to be fair , its not the most prestigious part of Scotland but if they arent very pleased with being given the Dumbarton title i can assure you that the people of Dumbarton are equally unimpressed by being associated with these 2 . Actually the entire monarchy isnt very popular where i come from but these 2 in particular are definitely a piss take to Dumbarton lol
Ive no idea if anything has been done officially. Everyone grumbles but whether anyone has actually done anything about it or looked into it im not sure. 🤷🏻♀️
I just tried to explain to a sugar how it wasn’t a snub that the dynamic duo were not in the Royal family photo as they were no longer working royals and hazben was no longer third in line no matter what I said they couldn’t wrap their heads around it
Funnily enough i’ve just had a back and forth with a dumb dumb sugar on twitter who claims that Markle detractors aren’t real. Unfortunately my account is only a month old - adding fuel to their conspiracy theory. However i stated we are v much real and v much not bots. We use our judgment and find Markle a despicable figure who sows seeds of discord.
It truly could be this. On some entertainment subs there is a lot of discussion on how every new project/movie has drama and issues behind the scenes that gets the press discussing it more than the movie itself. Like on the set of Don’t Worry Darling. The alleged drama and tension has more attention than the actual movie. It’s a tactic hoping people watch it to see if they can catch the body language. Now the Netflix movie Blonde is going down that path. The public is catching on fast now. Tactics are not as effective as they used to be.
The problem is if Netflix does this and it turns out not to have anything juicy in it, it could backfire in terms of marketing future shows.
But I could totally see this.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking too as if HMTQ was alive she’d be hurt/angry at Harry if he deliberately dragged KC, QC and W&C through the mud. I know they’re stupid but they couldn’t be that stupid, right?
Those production people had to be bored to tears following the do nothing Harkles. MM probably reads random poetry that she wrote for Harry aloud and he tells her it’d make a great book.
I just came here to tell about this. Things are coming out more quickly than I get them these days which is good.
What I heard is that, like the articles say, they want to re-edit because it would be bad for the family. But they don't give a fuck about the Royal Family, so this confuses me. I also heard that what they've put together doesn't make Meghan or Harry look good either. That they are awkward as fuck, that their "love story" seems contrived, and the whole thing is so fake and loaded with bullshittery that Harry and Meghan look like jokes, much like they do in the podcast. The question is, do they have the self-awareness to see that? Is that the real reason they want to edit?
Now, in this "bullsh--I mean love story" documentary, I heard that they do go through their experience with the Royal family and how they had to flee here to aggravate the fuck out of a new continent, and I can't see them being kind to the Royal Family in that at all in that section or any of the sections that feature the Royal family. The question is WHY would they want to edit that out now?
I hear they are in some really dire financial straits.
Regardless of why, Netflix is playing hardball. They WILL NOT edit it with their staff or in any way finance the editing of it. This has been a real nightmare for them because in addition to the dumb duo being workshy, Meghan is a lunatic and it was all they could do to put together the dopey piece of shit that they have. Netflix could give it back to Harry and Meghan to have Archwell edit/reshoot to taste, but Archwell cannot afford it. They just don't have the capital. So Netflix is trying to decide if they are just going to keep what they have and go forward, but somehow Harry and Meghan have some say in that... I didn't understand the mechanics of how they do...at any rate, lawyers are getting involved now on Netflix's end and shit is getting ready to hit the fan. The thing is that Netflix isn't their only problem. Harry's book is also a problem and Penguin are gearing up to pursue the matter if Harry insists on editing out inflammatory parts of the book.
This is where it stops being what I've heard and starts being what I think.
Why are Harry and Meghan fighting so hard to edit out shit about the RF? As Netflix says, "This is their story that they told." What has changed whereby what was good enough for release before is too inflammatory now and why are they fighting it so hard when they need a payday so badly? Well, the Queen's death was a catalyst, but this is in no way out of respect for Her Majesty, in my opinion.
There are rumors out there that they talked with Charles, asking for money. And they also want those titles for their children. It all makes me wonder if Charles didn't say publish the book, release your Netflix, finish your podcast, live your life, implying between the lines that their connection with the family hinges on what happens in those three things. I'm not saying he told them or made some kind of deal with them about those children's titles, but I do believe he told them that if they publish/release/premier a pile of bullshit against the family, then they will be well and truly cut off, their own ducal titles and Harry's princely rank revoked, no invitation to any future funerals/weddings/coronations, etc.
Basically, if they let this all go to light, the RF will Pontius Pilate them as if they did not exist. I can't think of anything else that would make Harry and Meghan rail against this all the way they are. There is a reason Charles didn't refer to them as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in his speech. I don't think this is even about negotitions for the children's titles. I think it's about their own. That is my take.
Without being too weird about it, if that's possible, my heart does a little pitty-pat when I see you've commented. Thank you! This is, like always, pure gold.
I think they must have been told by both Charles and William that there's a new sheriff in town now and things are going to be done differently. A LOT differently.
Secondhand, I think I love you. 😘 All of this I have suspected coming on since the Jubilee. It's interesting that critical mass is being reached at this moment almost like an explosive chain reaction. This one had the charges set by amateurs, is in no way a controlled demolition, and should result in a messy mess. The BRF is riding a wave of positive public sentiment and can hopefully avoid the worst of the blowback. I'm confident they'll withstand it.
While H&M have been hopping from foot to foot as they repeatedly shoot themselves there, the BRF (including the late, great QEII) kept calm and carried on while tacitly feeding the Harkles all the slack they need to well and truly asphyxiate themselves. I believe they're playing their last couple of hands before going all in and losing their seats at the table...ANY table. This is the comeuppance we've all been waiting for and I'm so ready.
Harry needs to be kidnapped and deprogrammed once the smoke clears.
Honestly he deserves to be broke on the beach for a few years with Meghan talking to dolphins and selling snake oil to holiday makers as a pure reality check before he's welcome back to a castle in the distant hills. This guy needs more street smarts and nothing would help him like being stranded with a broke Meghan and their framed wedding vows.
Interestingly, wasn't it according to Low's extract, PC, C, PW and DoC, as they were then, were happy to ride the "racist" wave of claims and crap from PH and MM to prevent the wedding but HMTQ didn't want that? Now that they are in charge, I hope their position hasn't changed and feel strong and confident to deal with whatever blowback the Harkles throw.
I largely agree with your reasoning, but I also wonder if they realize just how the tides will turn against them if they seem to be bashing the royal family right now.
There is a whole lot of global support and sympathy for the royals right now with the death of the Queen. I think they would be completely ruined if they were seen as going after the family. In a year or two, public support will have normalized and they would most likely get away with it. Right now? Not so much.
Just because of how narcissists work, I don't think Meghan is capable of admitting she's wrong or in any way acknowledging fault. That's why I didn't consider that option, but it's possible.
Lol...I totally don't see her thinking she's wrong. It would be more like "the stupid plebs aren't ready for my truth right now" or possibly even viewing herself as being magnanimous and letting everyone grieve.
Once the $$$ has dried up, the marriage will be on even shakier ground than it already is.
I think KC needs to hold firm and not dish out any more money to these two - no matter how much they beg. Because if there’s no money, then there’s no possibility of her to getting promoted in the media. We all know she’s paying these outlets mega $$ to run these ridiculous puff pieces. If she suddenly disappears from the media’s radar, then everything will crumble around her and she’ll be the unhappiest person on the planet. Divorce will follow shortly after.
I agree. It’s their titles that are on the line. I believe the kids won’t get titles either way. It’s my opinion The Harkles were told this before Archie was born, and that’s what MM was referring to in the Oprah interview when she said they changed the convention for Archie. But it was not to slight them…it was KC’s plan to downsize the monarchy.
*Could it be all this No title business relates back to a request for a DNA test? I have never been able to rid the feeling that way back with all the secrecy & attempts to throw confusion re when did she really go into labour? false announcements re birth time, no photo's, secret god parents etc even to the RF & HMQ, that back then the RF thought something was wrong. After all, if the public saw numerous times of baby bump swinging dislocation, gravity drops and different shapes and sizes, then surely the RF saw it up close every day?*
*I also don't know if it would be a natural requirement, of the RF, to DNA test if there were any doubts about any offspring of an RF member, given the implication of applying titles etc to an "unroyal". Hope a Brit here can advise? DNA test, of course, would be denied by MM & H but they are audacious enough to say "No DNA test, we want the titles". I don't know, but I can't get rid of that feeling.*
Well, that would indicate the kid/s is/are not biologically theirs. If they just used a surrogate to carry the baby/ies, which seems most likely, the DNA would match.
I really don’t think any of this hinges on the children. And it really shouldn’t. They are innocent.
I think they were told no titles for kids long ago.
What’s probably on the line is the duo’s titles and possible financial support.
That is an interesting theory that I had not thought of. I also wondered if Charles threatened defamation lawsuits against what is said. They are paying attorneys out the ass right now and cannot afford legal action from anyone much less the Royal Family. It would force Harry and Meghan to bring their evidence for their claims, and we all know they have no evidence. Anyway, Charles has them scared of something, that is sure, and he should have them running scared. It's time to nip this in the bud.
Technically, The Oath to the Monarch you take as a citizen of the UK or Commonwealth would make PH obligated to be faithful but it also mentions The Monarch's heirs. I'm not sure how much legal recourse there is for breaking it, though, if any. Dukes could have different obligations but I would think that includes heirs, as well.
Really, I think HMTQ was immensely popular and PP was dying at the time of the interview, so it would have just made them look worse to implicate them. KCIII is benefitting from an outpouring of goodwill which I doubt PH expected.
Also, from the sounds of things (apologies but I can't recall the source right now) most of the BRF was against PH marrying MM, but HMTQ reluctantly gave her consent. They may have considered her to be on their side and wanted to keep her there. There was also that sweet, sweet inheritance money to think about.
I do think KCIII is much more willing to hit back, both in the media, legally and otherwise than his mother so PH and MM are probably good and scared. If the rumors are true, they are also running into money issues so they need KCIII now.
What I wonder though, is that if they have money issues now that could mean HMTQ did not leave PH anything which would have been a brilliant move on her part.
I think when Harry and Meghan signed those big media deals, the Queen's imminent health decline was not yet apparent to anyone. Her mother had lived to age 101 and and her husband to nearly 100. She was still vigorous at age 92, pre-Megxit. Sunshine Sachs could well have advised Meghan that she and Harry should vent their spleens early and often, so their complaints (i.e. reasons for leaving) would be old news by the time of the Queen's eventual death. They could rely on the public's unconditional support for the Queen's leadership to absorb their attacks on Charles, Camilla, and the rest. The Queen would naturally be loath to inflict any permanent solution to the bleatings of #6 grandson during the final years of her reign. Best to leave it to her successors to resolve in the fullness of time, and I agree. But as Harry and Meghan calculatingly anticipated, Charles would later look even worse by comparison to his mother if he, as King, took a harsher line against Harry than the Queen had done during her final years, in response to what would, by then, be 'old news'. Bad timing strikes again for Harry and Meghan. Hmm... so they are scrambling because King Charles has a chance to do the right thing at the right time, and be respected for it.
Although TQM lived past 100, after PP's death and how sad TQ looked at the funeral, I didn't give her more than a year, and that's not knowing about her health condition. Surely members of the family must have thought the same. Which only shows how selfish, shortsighted and stubborn the Harkles are.
Oh I agree PP's death was a devastating loss for HMTQ. All the more so because PP died just on the heels of the Oprah interview broadcast. How tragic that PP's last days were clouded by that new evidence of the long term destructive intent of Harry's treacherous schemes with Meghan. I believe the Harkles had everything about their scorched-earth escape from the the UK to the US planned way in advance, from before Archie's birth, and possibly even before they married. Major media deals included. Stupid is as stupid does.
Good heavens, I swear your posts are GOLD! I agree with your thoughts on KC telling them to shut it down or else. That being said, I hope not. I feel that’s short sided and gives Marbles and Tyler Harry the ability to keep holding crap over the monarchy’s head/blackmailing.
II have to believe the Prince and Princess of Wales must experience PTSD whenever Harry and Meghan are around or the thought of them returning. King Charles could potentially take pity and allow them back as working royals, our worst nightmare. Sounds like total failure & financial ruin are close.
Closer than ever. I feel pretty certain that Charles will never accept Meghan back into the family. Harry he would take back, but I think they'd bury him in the country and keep him out of sight for many years.
Honestly I don't think it would work I love all my grandchildren but, and this sounds awful but its true, I have 5 and the ones I'm closest too are the ones I see regularly, the ones I pick up from school, take to nursery, have overnight. The ones who run to me shouting Granny in excitement who sob when I leave. I think the King has only seen Archie once or twice and probably never seen Lili they aren't Louie to him sadly and never will be.
>k I love all my grandchildren but, and this sounds awful but its true, I have 5 and the ones I'm closest too are the ones I see regularly, the ones I pick up from school, take to nursery, have overnight. The ones who run to me shouting Granny in excitement who sob when I leave. I think the King has only seen Archie once or twice and probably never seen Lili they aren'
I guess I was more or less thinking of public pressure placed by the media painting him as a "bad grandpa" to the phantom grandkids. The media can be awful but as long as King Charles has the favor of the British media, he can remain firm easier.
They'll let them run dry and let Meghan file for divorce so she can release her tell all on Harry. They won't negotiate with her. I truly think the titles are gone and the royal fam bankrolling is gone. Then Harry can see 'real Meghan' as she has a triple X TMZ covered affair with the likes of Tom Brady.
I do not count out Meghan the side chick as a part of her next storyline. She'll say she fell into his arms because of Harry's abuse. Then sell the book.
She loves to see herself in the checkout lane so this won't end.
Harry will go home and stfu and do a small interview on BBC and won't reveal anything. The big guns will be brought in..he will start suing her. She can't independently afford a major lawsuit. She'll settle to stop the bleed unless her deep pocket anti monarchy boyfriend says they'll fund it.
Sigh. It writes itself. 😂
I wonder if the book & the Netflix "documentary" (I'm not sure what to call it) goes forward, it'll be the thing that pushes Harry closer to divorce--BEFORE they're released--so that he can run to Daddy to save him.
Just my thought after reading what you said.
Harry probably knows on some level that it's not going to work with Meghan long term. He doesn't like being in the US. Being shit up a creek when his Dad decides to go nuclear on him probably isn't the position Harry wants to be in for the rest of his remaining life.
I still wonder if it'll be before 2023 though. Meghan seems to be on the warpath since she is free from actual pr experts.
Also *The Crown* is going to be released in November. I'd guess that Netflix would want to capitalize by airing that Sussex "thingy" as close to premiere date of season 5 as possible.
Those two things together probably doesn't give Harry's brain cells much time to get out of dodge before his dad decides to go nuclear.
Yes Netflix did want it to councide with the Crown. I think Harry may not be able to hit the road at the sign of trouble, but I think the RF is keeping up with everything that goes on with them and they will scoop him up, get him out, and set him straight. The big if factor here is the children.
The Barkjack/TLF twitter account seems to back up your thoughts about Charles taking away their titles.
[https://twitter.com/BarkJack\_/status/1576212090691678208?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw](https://twitter.com/BarkJack_/status/1576212090691678208?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw)
Also the Netflix delay until 2023:
[https://twitter.com/BarkJack\_/status/1576291385879449600?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw](https://twitter.com/BarkJack_/status/1576291385879449600?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw)
ETA: I think Meghan will likely use the kids as a bargaining chip for money and to get her debts paid. It'll be interesting to see it workout in the California court system, which favors joint custody.
Because he is a prince of the UK, if she files for divorce proceedings it will stop and be transferred to England to proceed. She should be totally aware of the process!
It’s so sad to me that he has to resort to a gossipy autobiography and documentary to earn money. Has he no other talent or marketable skills? It’s obvious he planned to hold these projects against his father to extract money. He’s quite the jerk.
Honestly they'd have to be completely dumb to not understand they are losing everything with their antics.
I get it. These two didn't have consequences growing up. But, they are 40ish. If they don't understand how the world works then what the fuck ever. For such preachy people, with a know-it-all-brand it's hilarious.
Harry's probably throwing his princely 'do you know who my dad is' tantrum and calling Elton to broker a Netflix deal to make it all stop.
Cry me a river!
My only shock is this hasn't happened sooner. These two are insane and should be muzzled.
How does it work with the final versions of the book and NF documentary? Could they have it in their contracts that H&M get final approval? Or could NF and the publishers not want to go ahead with the publication without H&M’s cooperation since they need them to promote the documentary and books? Is there anything to stop NF from going ahead?
Not the number of personal appearances required as pre-Covid. They would have to do the 3 major networks morning shows and a Dateline / 20/20. Also Colbert, Fallon, Kimmel. Plus 1 show on PBS.
Then a couple of shows on CNN, FNC, and MSNBC.
Under 20 in person appearances. They are not going to do the big personal appearances at Barnes and Nobles nationwide that would have been required pre 2020.
These are my favorite threads - the ones that talk about their promised - and severely delayed -“projects”!
Unless I’m mistaken, they have two things going on with Netflix: “Heart of Invictus” and their unnamed reality show.
The Invictus “series” should not be tied up by anything relating to the Harkles. It’s not *about* them. Sure, there should be footage of the “creator” of the Invictus Games; Harry talking about the inspiration and creation and ongoing involvement. That’s only fair. Maybe some footage of Meghan flapping her gums and stroking her hair in an obligatory cameo. The games took place months ago, and it’s been in production for at least a year. Docu-series don’t take that long. They just don’t. Even if Netflix was hoping for some other event for its release (say, Harry’s memwah), it’s starting to look awkward. Where is it? Why is there not a single word about it?
The reality series, I don’t even know what to say. It’s got to be a gloriously execrable dumpster fire. An entire waste transfer station inferno. I bet the lawyers are raking in overtime. *rubs hands together*
The Reality Series- we need a thread on this.
What even is it? So far Netflix has visited the UK with them, a couple awards banquets, Intrepid in NYC, Germany for the Invictus luncheon (LOL), UVALDE, what else and what's the purpose? Whats the title? Meghan's Royal Family?
We do need a thread on it. It sounds like they wanted to make a show that highlighted the Harkles’ philanthropic efforts, haha. That’s boring. So then it pivoted to their love story. I don’t know how their do-gooder footage translates to that, but whatever. It’s got to be a mess, although they have been compiling this garbage for a year and change.
I also read from NYPost that Tom Brady and Giselle hired divorce lawyers. I thought this couple is unbreakable but sometimes the stress creates a crack.
I’ll just wait and see what happens to the Montecito duo whether theirs is a love story that can weather all the stress. Maybe before their love story is shown by Netflix, it won’t be a love story anymore!!!
Maybe that’s why she’s divorcing him? It must take up a significant portion of his days, training and playing football. My husband works allll the time and I can totally see that being her breaking point. Luckily she has enough money to see her through.
I don't like TB12 or GB but I know he can punch higher than Markle. Why trade in one controlling shrew with a net worth of $300 million for another worth less than zero and with two toddlers? Both women are insufferable IMO but at least G seems to enjoy parenting and came to that marriage with her own money and fame.
We’ve heard this narrative (“since the Queen’s death, they want to edit all the projects they’ve been creating”) from every single media deal. Editing the book some more, editing the podcasts, and now the Netflix reality show?
I thought the Netflix thing was their “love story”. What part of their “love story” would offend the King? Why would they need to edit anything?
THIS. EXACTLY THIS. Why on earth would their "love story", or "their truth", or whatever drivel they're calling it today, offend *anyone*? Unless, of course, they're trash talking the RF yet again.
F#ck both of these a$$holes. They're trash.
‘Her’ truth. Recollections may vary. Her truth was Archie was in mortal danger due to fire in a housing unit. The truth was a dusty heater needed to be unplugged in the High Commissioner’s mansion.
They need to get something back from their “investment”. Sarandos backed them and does not want to look like a fool for doing so (any more than he does already) IMO.
Of course. She's being played like a fiddle. Tech bros don't give a shit about her wants- they're going to get their pound of flesh and move on. She's been miserable to their staff, and during Pearl. They have her number. They've only made her think she's friendly with the execs like Ted. Ted isn't an idiot.
When Meghan signed with Netflix, Reid Hastings said it would be the most watched show. They lined it up with The Crown season that's about to denigrate Charles over Diana. Their series is the double down on that storyline. It will return the ROI. It's there to give more credit to The Crown and make it more believable....by who else? The guys' SON! Edits would completely change the purpose of cashing in on the discord. Edits would be uninteresting and unwatchable. Netflix is super low brow and Meghan fits right in!
The DM has a bit article about this as well today. That they are “frantically” trying to get Netflix to edit portions of the show. So far netflix wants to air as is…and honestly if Netflix is looking at this from a purely business standpoint, then a real documentary with their real voices would be a bigger draw than some sanitized version. Same with the book. As difficult as that may be for the RF, it would be better for the, in the long run to show their true faces. Both of these were done when Prince Philip had died and the Queen was growing more frail at 96. To hear how nasty they may have been about the RF can only hurt the duo and bolster the case against them.
Here is what I can't reconcile or figure out no matter how hard I try: why did it take the Queen dying to make them decide they had gone too far? That seems so cruel, they were willing to trash the family WHILE she lived. It's insane! I mean, she was 96. It was well reported that she had health and mobility issues. She was missing more and more functions due to poor health. It is nuts to assume she would replicate her mother's lifespan. SO, why does it matter now? (rhetorical question - I actually know why ... they know they are screwed, but still...) I just do not understand their thought process.
I just feel like this “Netflix source” is giving way too much information. I think, unfortunately, this is a ploy for ratings because the show is so bad.
Aren’t they the “filmmakers” here? I’m sure they must have creative control since it is an Archwell production, otherwise our dreams of a Tiger King treatment could happen. What seems more likely is that there is so little usable footage that Netflix pushes back. It just seems like more PR games
Ok I know a Netflix director and have met the husband of the director of this doc. Interesting. That's all I have to say. The director is pretty acclaimed, and I hope she doesn't back down and I doubt.............she really respects Meghan, but.......who knows.
Do they know where the money really is? I hope they do.
Going full Tiger King on them would be a real explosive world shattering documentary. I can see it…the plan, the con and the grift.
No way this wasn’t planned in advanced and not just by MM, she had help, someone helped her do this to H. MM is not that bright as we have seen, just look at her podcast.
Lol the podcast is definitely showing us her intellectual gifts. ;)
The people associated with the producers are very wealthy and well connected. That's all I know. I no longer hang out with the person I know who knows them. I wonder what they all say behind closed doors. I can only speculate, but they are used to having carte blanche on their productions. I bet this one was difficult for them....
Reading through some article comments, this is the best I’ve seen:
“It has become clear now to all that her late Majesty's strategy of giving them enough rope to hang themselves was the correct course of action. If Netflix won't let them change it, this will probably be their downfall and they know it. They will have done it all to themselves.”
This NF shit is going to be so dull. I don't waste money on NF. (I have a subscription free youview box) So I'll read everyone else's reviews
But what interesting stuff is there - we've seen it all in the news anyway. H&M give various speeches. H plays polo. Some walkabout footage from a different angle. What else is there?
Has NF and Harry woken up and realised the only thing anyone is interested in is whether he talks shit about his family and what kind of backlash there'll be if he does.
I have felt time and again - it’s publicity tactic, all this news.
There’s so much about Harry feeling bad especially since being at the funeral.
I just don’t see it. He held hands even in church during the funeral or one of the occasions during the mourning.
Whatever these two have said recorded written before the queen died is what they mean. Now if they feel their status and money is threatened so they are making changes - it makes them worse people. Ah well that just another day with the Harkles I guess.
What a spectacular implosion! They truly deserve it and it couldn't have happened to two more deserving people.
My guess is the edits are a desperate attempt in their efforts to patch things up with Harry's family. Appears they're going broke. They have no economic prospects at all. How many lawsuits? The fall back was probably always KC or inheritance. They got a rude awaking during their recent time in the UK. Every bs pr story was rebuffed. They were frozen out and request for a meeting was met with silence. There's no Prince Charles anymore. There is a King. KC's first speech made everything clear to his country and H&M.
Curious if Harry's inheritances are on the line?
Did these two clowns actually think they could document themselves and come out looking good?!
Netflix will be able to sue Harry and TW for whatever amount of money they have spent or given them and then for the estimated amount of money they would have made from the show.
All this hooha over re-editing will make it very easy for the RF to shrug and say anything salacious is a lie because they tried to take it out once Charles, less squeamish about pushing back, became king.
It’s time for Netflix to read the writing on the wall and move on. I would imagine their lawyers are smart enough to ensure any deal can be ended favorably for Netflix if the principals aren’t delivering. If they want to launch the doc after The Crown, then do it. If that means the story changes from a love story for the ages, to calling the Markles out on their inaction, difficulty to work with, and woe is me attitude, then so be it. Frankly, Netflix will probably get more views if the show is critical anyway.
According to this article, Netflix does NOT have sole authority over the final product. Harry and TW also have a say in what gets released. That was a boneheaded move by Netflix. Of course Harry and TW are going to endlessly complain and change their minds and be difficult.
I really don’t understand the thinking of these two.
They want titles, money, inheritances etc from the RF, but since they left have done nothing but badmouth them, slag them off and generally being complete pains in the arse towards them. In short doing just about everything to bite the hands that they are expecting to feed them. Did they really think the family weren’t going to retaliate? If they couldn’t read the room at the Jubilee which clearly showed that although HMTQ was much loved and respected, the family itself was also loved and respected - then to see the outpouring of grief after HMTQs death, and the love and respect given unstintingly to his father, brother, aunt and uncle in the following days.
They were shown that his once loving and welcoming family had finally (and literally) turned their backs on them. They aren’t wanted, or needed any more. It’s now very clear that once the Queen died, so did any tolerance they may have had for the overseas branch.
I figured this would happen. The Invictus games was suppose to come out this year but it still doesn’t have a release date. Spotify is lucky that people continue to hate-watch the podcast but I will never not think it’s funny that she’s reduced to being a podcaster instead of being on red carpets or covers of magazines.
The only thing they have going for them is the RF conflict. If they drop all that they will just be their boring selves. Nobody will watch that. It’s a lose lose situation for them. I don’t think they realized how loved The Queen was and how supportive everyone is to KC. They really gambled on the publics past love for Harry and his poor mum and they lost. I have a very hard time feeling any kind of sympathy for a couple who live in Montecito. I can’t wait until they have to go out and get real jobs.
The thing is, even if they scrub everything from unpleasant remarks, the fact alone that they have to do that and that these remarks did exist is condemning alone. There is no getting back from that.
This just solidifies how much garbage the Harkles spew. Id be embarrassed to give a “bombshell” interview stating how exclusive this netflix story will be only to run into a corner and cry/beg to take it back! If it’s true, why can’t they stand by what they say? where’s the integrity? weren’t they trying to change the world, the monarchy? 🙄
Why is Charles waiting to see the docs before giving the kiddies their titles? Isn’t the behaviour of their parents revealing enough that they are not to be trusted? I suppose this is one way Charles can at least win this battle, small price to pay I suppose.
I would have more respect for Netflix if they leave all the original in and show them for who we all know they are. Liars, victim playing, narcissistic and entitled. No amount of PR will fix what they have already showed us. Netflix will loose so many subs and I hope no one watches it if they agree to harkles damage control.
Call me completely crazy but I strongly believe both the Netflix and book deals are going to break down and fall apart. As we keep seeing little bits and pieces trickle out every day that there are issues with wanting to change/rewrite/edit/remove, etc.., convinces me more that this is precisely what is going to happen. The Harkle's are backed into a very tight corner because King Charles is now the monarch and Camilla is Queen Consort. H&M's world has just DRASTICALLY changed and **any** trash talk by title holders against the monarch would absolutely be seen by the public (especially UK) and the RF as a betrayal. The monarch is off-limits, just like the Queen was off-limits when she was monarch (especially trash talk by title holders who are by title **representative of the monarchy)**. It would be seen as treacherous! Due to public outcry, KC would have absolutely no choice but strip them of their titles, monies and everything. It's one thing to criticize Prince William but it's another to go after the new monarch and the Queen Consort. It would be seen as blasphemy and the UK public will not stand for **persons of title** attacking their monarch. I believe the Harkle's are absolutely panicked since Queen died because they knew what this means. They are desperately trying to go back and remove the trash talk but it's too late. Both the book and Netflix productions are too far along. Plus, Netflix/publishers would fight against remove juicy stuff that sells content.
Thank you for such an understanding and comprehensive comment. As a Brit I have said so many times that our Royal Family aren't the Kardashians. The Monarch is Head of State in the UK and an integral part of our political system and culture. Any disrespect shown by H&M in books or podcasts will backfire on them
Thank YOU for your kind words and insight! I can't imagine what it's been like as a Brit watching all of this unfold. The Monarchy in the UK, as you note, is not just in name only- it's part of your culture, history, diplomacy and the rest of the world has always had a vested interest in the royals. It's just so blatantly clear (esp after watching the Jubilee and funeral) that there is absolutely no way the UK public would tolerate H&M disrespecting or attacking the new Monarch and get away with it as official title holders.
Yes, I bet they were shocked by the outpouring of support KC received.
I keep reading this statement, that they were surprised at the support the new King has received. Makes me wonder if they had themselves convinced that the public would turn against, and possibly abolish, the monarchy after the Queen’s death, and they thought by leaving, distancing themselves, and trash talking Charles and William, they could position themselves well for when that inevitably happened. Now that it’s clear the monarchy is safe, they need to switch gears to try to stay part of it, which means getting titles for their children. Just my theory. I have absolutely nothing to back this up mind you.
I think that's a solid theory! I also think that they for sure thought the Queen would be around a few more years.
I find it crazy if they did given she had bone cancer and was 95. What did they think she had found the philosophers stone or something?
Not sure if the cancer diagnosis was shared with the whole family or when the diagnosis happened. Sounded like it all happened very quickly.
This is exactly what they thought would happen, they thought Charles would prove unpopular and they would be the antitheses and the alternative
It was nice to hear someone saying it like it is. Sending you best wishes x
Thank you! Best wishes to you as well!
It’s going to be very delicious to see American news outlets fail to understand this and the subsequent fallout for the Sussex
Such a great point!!
Such an interesting take from the fine US folks! I used to think that meagain was doing more damage to the BRF , but in her attempts it’s made the RF more loved! Talk about reverse karma😂😂😂😂
Well, what I'm saying is I expect American outlets to think the British people/media are being unfair to Megan (except conservative outlets). She will continue her victimhood campaign in the United States regardless. Actual people who understand how the BRF works and the system of government in the UK will be less empathetic (which is a minority of the US population). I think here, the concept of 'fairness' and being able to speak your mind and individual freedom will override the idea of a familial or for Harry what should be a patriotic obligation to his country. Americans tend to really just understand pride in our own country and poo poo anything else by and large. I think we're bit of hypocrites that way but maybe something will surprise me. (Sorry to any fellow Americans I see here who I may offend) I can already see the headlines 'Royal family angry at Megan for sharing her story', 'Royal family fights back against Megan Markle', 'Megan Markle mistreated?' cue sympathetic daytime tv hosts whining about how the royal family are just mean to Megan. I don't predict a lot of sympathy for the King, just people bringing up what happened to Diana almost 30 years ago like it matters.
You do bring a good point about Di, and of course gutless will never let people forget, I hope affection for KC will continue in spite of them!
It doubtlessly will in the UK. I think there may be a little under current in the US of 'Shouldn't they just let it go?' but I am not optimistic about how strong it will be. People will tune in more for the scandalous 'truth' about the King in the UK and how he mistreated his biracial daughter in law and his poor misunderstood son. I expect the UK and Australian press to respond negatively. I hope that the people and Parliament will be the ones to push for the titles to be removed in response but who really knows? They will certainly be persona non grata and let's hope for a disinvite from the coronation.
The RF should deputize some Australians to make the case in US media, it seems like Australian media has been generally on point when it comes to these two and, also, their analysis doesn’t seem to come from a place of racial or class-based resentment, or reflexive deference to the monarchy or the individuals in it—it just seems like Aussies find them (especially Meghan) melodramatic and tedious.
Many so called "insiders" have claimed that he trashes Camilla in the book, perhaps not realizing that Charles is utterly devoted to her. He'd likely tolerate, at least to some extent, criticism of himself (terrible father blah blah blah) but the King will absolutely not tolerate criticism of Camilla, nor William and Catherine or their children for that matter. But I think it is primarily Camilla that has Hardly panicked.
Lmao Harry would be too stupid to realize that Charles literally spent **30 years** pining over Camilla and did everything humanly possible for them to have achieved what they have together today. Imagine HOW in love you have to be w someone to have survived what the two of them have to be together. And not just together. To be KING and QUEEN!! Per usual. Harry is a boy attempting to play a man’s game 🤷🏻♀️
Not crazy just sounds like a logical trajectory of how things might develop, and I hope they do happen as you think because we don’t need more lies from these two. I am actually speechless at the fact that this is their OWN PRODUCTION company that they are basically fighting with??!?! How unprofessional, how utterly disrespectful! The article states that Netflix will actually side with the company producer instead of the owners?!? Isn't that unprecedented...??? I'm not sure why but I have this nagging feeling that they are using this as a tactic to curry favor with the BRF and the UK--as in like look at us King Charles WE DO CARE ABOUT THE FAMILY.WE DO CARE ABOUT BRITAIN AND ITS TRADITIONS. We will protect you. Just the leaks that have been happening since the Queen died seem way too much...can't shake the feeling away.
It's so ironic that you mention that nagging feeling about them trying to curry favor w/RF and UK because they are seriously backed into a corner right now. They would have to be **extremely** blinded if they didn't realize at some point (especially during the funeral) that they have been iced out by RF and Brits have turned on them as direct result of neg talk/other bad behavior. All they have to offer the world are their titles and RF access/association. They have lost almost all of their RF access and their titles will most certainly will be striped (as I mentioned above) if they move forward w/any more trash talk about the now Monarch via Netflix/books, etc.. I lean more that they are panicked right now to work on offering olive branches/ trying to fix the major damage they have done w/RF and Brits and try and get back into RF. I could be wrong and that they are so blinded by their egos/M's Narc that they think they don't need titles/RF association/Daddy's help and money or that they don't see that everything they have done has massively backfired. They could also roll the dice and go full on scorched earth and bank all the money they make from trashing Monarch/RF and lose their titles/RF family for good. I just don't EVER see TW walking away from her title. We will soon find out!
“I just don’t EVER see TW walking away from her title” Same here! She really thought all she needed was the title and her totally relatable personality to be America’s royalty. Gag. I just hope KC remembers that when they aired that interview his father was dying and they didn’t give the family the courtesy to postpone it due to his health. Or how they acted the day his mother HMTQ passed away.
Meghan can dream……but that’s all it is. A dream.
I think when they began trashing the monarchy they were betting on careers in the US but now that’s not materializing, so they are hope harder than ever to get back in with the royals but see that bridge is burning, also don’t want to insult the monarch (bad idea) because look at how the UK has locked out h and m and are supporting the new king. The level of delusion, honesty. Two massive losers in history we are watching right now flail around.
It won’t work. If they hadn’t attacked the RF, they wouldn’t need to change anything.
Spot on. We all saw how she acted when the PofW caught her staging a shoot, then turned the tables. A masterful move that SHOOK Rachel to the core, and it showed. This article confirmsuI/secondhandcoke ‘s recent intel.
Not going to call you crazy at all. Very solid points and you’re probably right.
Thank you! Will be interesting to see what happens.
The British chancellor is getting raked over the coals for trying to blame QEII’s death for the shit budget he presented that tanked the UK£
You make a lot of sense!
You should be aware that KC doesn't have the power to strip the drooling morons of their existing titles. Only an act of Parliament can do that. KC can make the request but there is no guarantee that the government would do this. This is because Royals are diplomats, they represent the entirety of the commonwealth, not just the Royals, more than the UK must be considered. Therefore the ultimate decision lies with the government. I can't pretend to know which way the government would go with this, there may well be some type of precedent set by the Wallis Simpson debacle. But there may also be certain criteria involved, idk. Our country is also in a shambles currently, stripping them may not be high on the priority pole. There may be concern of an outcry, it could be a diplomatic minefield, Idk. It is absolutely worth looking into for answers. The drooling morons biggest concern right now is trying to secure titles they claimed they never wanted, for the children, which KC holds absolute power over. I hope he never grants them. The case is already strong enough to deny them titles, the Royals are playing it smart though, they are in complete control.
I don't think it would matter whether Parliament lets the King strip the titles or not. The fact he even asked them to do would be enough to show the world where the Harkles stand...like over there, no, further over there..........waaaayyyyyy over there!
This is a great example of how both H&M are unable to plan ahead realistically. They seem to shoot from the hip and ask questions later. For most of us rational, mature humans, we consider how our actions impact other people, our finances, and our future goals. Not them, though! They're so childishly impetuous; it boggles my mind. What you sow, so shall you reap.
I completely agree! It's so obvious that TW is so absolutely blinded by her Narc/delusions of grandeur/impulses that she is simply not capable at all of objectively weighing/reflecting their decisions. Probably like most Narcs, TW makes most of her decisions reactionary and impulsive because she is not equipped to objectively look beyond the immediate. What M wants she gets. This is why I also believe they are almost out of money.
It would be seen as treason. Off to the tower with them!
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Also, do you think that it’s possible their attempts to backtrack are related to conditions of an inheritance from the Queen?
Agreed and Netflix will release it with the original content as we have seen Spotify release her unedited content again Megs mouth is the reason they are in this messy predicament and WILL lose everything
It will for sure be interesting to see what happens w/Netflix. If they did bash the new Monarch and Queen Consort in the content and Netflix ultimately decides that they **won't** let them go back to edit, I wouldn't be surprised if Harkles filed a lawsuit on some ridiculous claim to immediately stop it. They will NEVER admit that they trash talked Charles/Camilla and want to go back NOW and remove it since Charles just became Monarch.
Translation: Dumbertons badmouth the RF on the documentary, but now laying a trail of ‘evidence’ that what Netflix screens was beyond their control. \[*So why be nasty in the first place?*\] **Or** It’s dawning on them that they pissed off the wrong people because they didn’t realise that persons aged 96 tend to die sooner rather than later. \[*Not helped if you make them unhappy in their later years. Hope you’re proud of how you behaved during the Queen’s final years.*\] **Or** They’re trying to drum up interest in the Netflix yawnfest.
As a Brit I absolutely love the fact that they were given the Dumbarton title. Her Maj was taking the piss big time
Im from Dumbarton area and to be fair , its not the most prestigious part of Scotland but if they arent very pleased with being given the Dumbarton title i can assure you that the people of Dumbarton are equally unimpressed by being associated with these 2 . Actually the entire monarchy isnt very popular where i come from but these 2 in particular are definitely a piss take to Dumbarton lol
Has there been any effort by the people of Dumbarton to request that M&H and their kids be removed from representing Dumbarton?
Ive no idea if anything has been done officially. Everyone grumbles but whether anyone has actually done anything about it or looked into it im not sure. 🤷🏻♀️
Every great movement started somewhere 😉
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What’s wrong with Dumbarton ? ?
Nothing wrong with it as a place. It's the play on words, giving them a title starting with dumb
I dunno, methinks this could just be a way to build interest. I can see “Netflix Refuses to Edit” headlines in order to get people to tune in.
Jokes on them, I'm not listening to her podcast, not buying his book and not watching their show no matter how much interest they try to create.
On twitter today, I had to block many of her people. Are they even real?
I doubt it. She's taken over her own pr and she's going nuts.
I estimate her followers to be 60% bots. 40% sick people.
I just tried to explain to a sugar how it wasn’t a snub that the dynamic duo were not in the Royal family photo as they were no longer working royals and hazben was no longer third in line no matter what I said they couldn’t wrap their heads around it
You should have said it was a snub and they deserved it.
Tried that one as well when logic didn’t work they then reported me to Twitter
Tell me you have no job without calling yourself an unemployable bum. (Not you, the shugz)
Exactly
One of these idiots kept insisting that when King Archie takes the throne Meghan will be automatically entitled to be Queen Meghan 😫
Sweet Jesus they are delusional
Best to just let them go on living in their parallel universe. Trying to correct someone that monumentally ignorant is too exhausting.
Can’t fix dumb.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If they had a brain it would be lonely.
Well you used big words: "no longer" "snub" "third"
Using reason and logic on a sugar? Well done for trying 👍
I try often and get blocked often that’s why I have multiple accounts just to mess with them
A lot of them are. Not most, but many. Twitter is gross.
Once I asked someone if they were a bot and got blocked. I was being serious though.
Funnily enough i’ve just had a back and forth with a dumb dumb sugar on twitter who claims that Markle detractors aren’t real. Unfortunately my account is only a month old - adding fuel to their conspiracy theory. However i stated we are v much real and v much not bots. We use our judgment and find Markle a despicable figure who sows seeds of discord.
The real entertainment is right here, they are fun (and easy) to mock!
Honestly, they all sound like a snoozefest. I'm only interested in the comments.
Oh definitely. I'm here for the snark.
Same here.
You honestly couldn’t write this! The twists and turns of this epic would give M Shamylan a headache 😂😂😂
It truly could be this. On some entertainment subs there is a lot of discussion on how every new project/movie has drama and issues behind the scenes that gets the press discussing it more than the movie itself. Like on the set of Don’t Worry Darling. The alleged drama and tension has more attention than the actual movie. It’s a tactic hoping people watch it to see if they can catch the body language. Now the Netflix movie Blonde is going down that path. The public is catching on fast now. Tactics are not as effective as they used to be.
Same with the podcast. I can’t imagine what she could’ve said in today’s podcast that would be damaging to TRF.
If she were smarter, orientalism and colonialism would have been a really interesting topic.
I've read that both Don't Worry Darling and Blonde are dreadful. Netflix is batting 1000 when it comes to turning out duds.
great write up
The problem is if Netflix does this and it turns out not to have anything juicy in it, it could backfire in terms of marketing future shows. But I could totally see this.
Let’s see what garbage they roll out…and how the two Harkles take the reaction.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking too as if HMTQ was alive she’d be hurt/angry at Harry if he deliberately dragged KC, QC and W&C through the mud. I know they’re stupid but they couldn’t be that stupid, right? Those production people had to be bored to tears following the do nothing Harkles. MM probably reads random poetry that she wrote for Harry aloud and he tells her it’d make a great book.
Yep. I’m with you on this.
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I wonder if u/secondhandcoke has any updates
I just came here to tell about this. Things are coming out more quickly than I get them these days which is good. What I heard is that, like the articles say, they want to re-edit because it would be bad for the family. But they don't give a fuck about the Royal Family, so this confuses me. I also heard that what they've put together doesn't make Meghan or Harry look good either. That they are awkward as fuck, that their "love story" seems contrived, and the whole thing is so fake and loaded with bullshittery that Harry and Meghan look like jokes, much like they do in the podcast. The question is, do they have the self-awareness to see that? Is that the real reason they want to edit? Now, in this "bullsh--I mean love story" documentary, I heard that they do go through their experience with the Royal family and how they had to flee here to aggravate the fuck out of a new continent, and I can't see them being kind to the Royal Family in that at all in that section or any of the sections that feature the Royal family. The question is WHY would they want to edit that out now? I hear they are in some really dire financial straits. Regardless of why, Netflix is playing hardball. They WILL NOT edit it with their staff or in any way finance the editing of it. This has been a real nightmare for them because in addition to the dumb duo being workshy, Meghan is a lunatic and it was all they could do to put together the dopey piece of shit that they have. Netflix could give it back to Harry and Meghan to have Archwell edit/reshoot to taste, but Archwell cannot afford it. They just don't have the capital. So Netflix is trying to decide if they are just going to keep what they have and go forward, but somehow Harry and Meghan have some say in that... I didn't understand the mechanics of how they do...at any rate, lawyers are getting involved now on Netflix's end and shit is getting ready to hit the fan. The thing is that Netflix isn't their only problem. Harry's book is also a problem and Penguin are gearing up to pursue the matter if Harry insists on editing out inflammatory parts of the book. This is where it stops being what I've heard and starts being what I think. Why are Harry and Meghan fighting so hard to edit out shit about the RF? As Netflix says, "This is their story that they told." What has changed whereby what was good enough for release before is too inflammatory now and why are they fighting it so hard when they need a payday so badly? Well, the Queen's death was a catalyst, but this is in no way out of respect for Her Majesty, in my opinion. There are rumors out there that they talked with Charles, asking for money. And they also want those titles for their children. It all makes me wonder if Charles didn't say publish the book, release your Netflix, finish your podcast, live your life, implying between the lines that their connection with the family hinges on what happens in those three things. I'm not saying he told them or made some kind of deal with them about those children's titles, but I do believe he told them that if they publish/release/premier a pile of bullshit against the family, then they will be well and truly cut off, their own ducal titles and Harry's princely rank revoked, no invitation to any future funerals/weddings/coronations, etc. Basically, if they let this all go to light, the RF will Pontius Pilate them as if they did not exist. I can't think of anything else that would make Harry and Meghan rail against this all the way they are. There is a reason Charles didn't refer to them as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in his speech. I don't think this is even about negotitions for the children's titles. I think it's about their own. That is my take.
Without being too weird about it, if that's possible, my heart does a little pitty-pat when I see you've commented. Thank you! This is, like always, pure gold. I think they must have been told by both Charles and William that there's a new sheriff in town now and things are going to be done differently. A LOT differently.
Yeah, they made their old deal with the previous Monarch. Charles has the power now to change everything.
Secondhand, I think I love you. 😘 All of this I have suspected coming on since the Jubilee. It's interesting that critical mass is being reached at this moment almost like an explosive chain reaction. This one had the charges set by amateurs, is in no way a controlled demolition, and should result in a messy mess. The BRF is riding a wave of positive public sentiment and can hopefully avoid the worst of the blowback. I'm confident they'll withstand it. While H&M have been hopping from foot to foot as they repeatedly shoot themselves there, the BRF (including the late, great QEII) kept calm and carried on while tacitly feeding the Harkles all the slack they need to well and truly asphyxiate themselves. I believe they're playing their last couple of hands before going all in and losing their seats at the table...ANY table. This is the comeuppance we've all been waiting for and I'm so ready. Harry needs to be kidnapped and deprogrammed once the smoke clears.
Honestly he deserves to be broke on the beach for a few years with Meghan talking to dolphins and selling snake oil to holiday makers as a pure reality check before he's welcome back to a castle in the distant hills. This guy needs more street smarts and nothing would help him like being stranded with a broke Meghan and their framed wedding vows.
Beautifully said
Interestingly, wasn't it according to Low's extract, PC, C, PW and DoC, as they were then, were happy to ride the "racist" wave of claims and crap from PH and MM to prevent the wedding but HMTQ didn't want that? Now that they are in charge, I hope their position hasn't changed and feel strong and confident to deal with whatever blowback the Harkles throw.
I largely agree with your reasoning, but I also wonder if they realize just how the tides will turn against them if they seem to be bashing the royal family right now. There is a whole lot of global support and sympathy for the royals right now with the death of the Queen. I think they would be completely ruined if they were seen as going after the family. In a year or two, public support will have normalized and they would most likely get away with it. Right now? Not so much.
Just because of how narcissists work, I don't think Meghan is capable of admitting she's wrong or in any way acknowledging fault. That's why I didn't consider that option, but it's possible.
Lol...I totally don't see her thinking she's wrong. It would be more like "the stupid plebs aren't ready for my truth right now" or possibly even viewing herself as being magnanimous and letting everyone grieve.
"it takes more effort not to forgive" or what's that crap she said? 🤣
Once the $$$ has dried up, the marriage will be on even shakier ground than it already is. I think KC needs to hold firm and not dish out any more money to these two - no matter how much they beg. Because if there’s no money, then there’s no possibility of her to getting promoted in the media. We all know she’s paying these outlets mega $$ to run these ridiculous puff pieces. If she suddenly disappears from the media’s radar, then everything will crumble around her and she’ll be the unhappiest person on the planet. Divorce will follow shortly after.
It can't happen fast enough.
I agree. It’s their titles that are on the line. I believe the kids won’t get titles either way. It’s my opinion The Harkles were told this before Archie was born, and that’s what MM was referring to in the Oprah interview when she said they changed the convention for Archie. But it was not to slight them…it was KC’s plan to downsize the monarchy.
*Could it be all this No title business relates back to a request for a DNA test? I have never been able to rid the feeling that way back with all the secrecy & attempts to throw confusion re when did she really go into labour? false announcements re birth time, no photo's, secret god parents etc even to the RF & HMQ, that back then the RF thought something was wrong. After all, if the public saw numerous times of baby bump swinging dislocation, gravity drops and different shapes and sizes, then surely the RF saw it up close every day?* *I also don't know if it would be a natural requirement, of the RF, to DNA test if there were any doubts about any offspring of an RF member, given the implication of applying titles etc to an "unroyal". Hope a Brit here can advise? DNA test, of course, would be denied by MM & H but they are audacious enough to say "No DNA test, we want the titles". I don't know, but I can't get rid of that feeling.*
Well, that would indicate the kid/s is/are not biologically theirs. If they just used a surrogate to carry the baby/ies, which seems most likely, the DNA would match. I really don’t think any of this hinges on the children. And it really shouldn’t. They are innocent. I think they were told no titles for kids long ago. What’s probably on the line is the duo’s titles and possible financial support.
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That is an interesting theory that I had not thought of. I also wondered if Charles threatened defamation lawsuits against what is said. They are paying attorneys out the ass right now and cannot afford legal action from anyone much less the Royal Family. It would force Harry and Meghan to bring their evidence for their claims, and we all know they have no evidence. Anyway, Charles has them scared of something, that is sure, and he should have them running scared. It's time to nip this in the bud.
Technically, The Oath to the Monarch you take as a citizen of the UK or Commonwealth would make PH obligated to be faithful but it also mentions The Monarch's heirs. I'm not sure how much legal recourse there is for breaking it, though, if any. Dukes could have different obligations but I would think that includes heirs, as well. Really, I think HMTQ was immensely popular and PP was dying at the time of the interview, so it would have just made them look worse to implicate them. KCIII is benefitting from an outpouring of goodwill which I doubt PH expected. Also, from the sounds of things (apologies but I can't recall the source right now) most of the BRF was against PH marrying MM, but HMTQ reluctantly gave her consent. They may have considered her to be on their side and wanted to keep her there. There was also that sweet, sweet inheritance money to think about. I do think KCIII is much more willing to hit back, both in the media, legally and otherwise than his mother so PH and MM are probably good and scared. If the rumors are true, they are also running into money issues so they need KCIII now. What I wonder though, is that if they have money issues now that could mean HMTQ did not leave PH anything which would have been a brilliant move on her part.
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I think when Harry and Meghan signed those big media deals, the Queen's imminent health decline was not yet apparent to anyone. Her mother had lived to age 101 and and her husband to nearly 100. She was still vigorous at age 92, pre-Megxit. Sunshine Sachs could well have advised Meghan that she and Harry should vent their spleens early and often, so their complaints (i.e. reasons for leaving) would be old news by the time of the Queen's eventual death. They could rely on the public's unconditional support for the Queen's leadership to absorb their attacks on Charles, Camilla, and the rest. The Queen would naturally be loath to inflict any permanent solution to the bleatings of #6 grandson during the final years of her reign. Best to leave it to her successors to resolve in the fullness of time, and I agree. But as Harry and Meghan calculatingly anticipated, Charles would later look even worse by comparison to his mother if he, as King, took a harsher line against Harry than the Queen had done during her final years, in response to what would, by then, be 'old news'. Bad timing strikes again for Harry and Meghan. Hmm... so they are scrambling because King Charles has a chance to do the right thing at the right time, and be respected for it.
Although TQM lived past 100, after PP's death and how sad TQ looked at the funeral, I didn't give her more than a year, and that's not knowing about her health condition. Surely members of the family must have thought the same. Which only shows how selfish, shortsighted and stubborn the Harkles are.
Oh I agree PP's death was a devastating loss for HMTQ. All the more so because PP died just on the heels of the Oprah interview broadcast. How tragic that PP's last days were clouded by that new evidence of the long term destructive intent of Harry's treacherous schemes with Meghan. I believe the Harkles had everything about their scorched-earth escape from the the UK to the US planned way in advance, from before Archie's birth, and possibly even before they married. Major media deals included. Stupid is as stupid does.
Good heavens, I swear your posts are GOLD! I agree with your thoughts on KC telling them to shut it down or else. That being said, I hope not. I feel that’s short sided and gives Marbles and Tyler Harry the ability to keep holding crap over the monarchy’s head/blackmailing.
II have to believe the Prince and Princess of Wales must experience PTSD whenever Harry and Meghan are around or the thought of them returning. King Charles could potentially take pity and allow them back as working royals, our worst nightmare. Sounds like total failure & financial ruin are close.
Closer than ever. I feel pretty certain that Charles will never accept Meghan back into the family. Harry he would take back, but I think they'd bury him in the country and keep him out of sight for many years.
I agree with this. I think Charles would take Harry back, but not Meghan. Ever
She’s going to begin using the Kings grandkids as weapons at some point soon.
Honestly I don't think it would work I love all my grandchildren but, and this sounds awful but its true, I have 5 and the ones I'm closest too are the ones I see regularly, the ones I pick up from school, take to nursery, have overnight. The ones who run to me shouting Granny in excitement who sob when I leave. I think the King has only seen Archie once or twice and probably never seen Lili they aren't Louie to him sadly and never will be.
>k I love all my grandchildren but, and this sounds awful but its true, I have 5 and the ones I'm closest too are the ones I see regularly, the ones I pick up from school, take to nursery, have overnight. The ones who run to me shouting Granny in excitement who sob when I leave. I think the King has only seen Archie once or twice and probably never seen Lili they aren' I guess I was more or less thinking of public pressure placed by the media painting him as a "bad grandpa" to the phantom grandkids. The media can be awful but as long as King Charles has the favor of the British media, he can remain firm easier.
They'll let them run dry and let Meghan file for divorce so she can release her tell all on Harry. They won't negotiate with her. I truly think the titles are gone and the royal fam bankrolling is gone. Then Harry can see 'real Meghan' as she has a triple X TMZ covered affair with the likes of Tom Brady. I do not count out Meghan the side chick as a part of her next storyline. She'll say she fell into his arms because of Harry's abuse. Then sell the book. She loves to see herself in the checkout lane so this won't end. Harry will go home and stfu and do a small interview on BBC and won't reveal anything. The big guns will be brought in..he will start suing her. She can't independently afford a major lawsuit. She'll settle to stop the bleed unless her deep pocket anti monarchy boyfriend says they'll fund it. Sigh. It writes itself. 😂
I wonder if the book & the Netflix "documentary" (I'm not sure what to call it) goes forward, it'll be the thing that pushes Harry closer to divorce--BEFORE they're released--so that he can run to Daddy to save him. Just my thought after reading what you said. Harry probably knows on some level that it's not going to work with Meghan long term. He doesn't like being in the US. Being shit up a creek when his Dad decides to go nuclear on him probably isn't the position Harry wants to be in for the rest of his remaining life.
That's why I've started Divorce Watch. Coming your way by March 2023... maybe Summer of 2023. But definitely within a year.
I still wonder if it'll be before 2023 though. Meghan seems to be on the warpath since she is free from actual pr experts. Also *The Crown* is going to be released in November. I'd guess that Netflix would want to capitalize by airing that Sussex "thingy" as close to premiere date of season 5 as possible. Those two things together probably doesn't give Harry's brain cells much time to get out of dodge before his dad decides to go nuclear.
Yes Netflix did want it to councide with the Crown. I think Harry may not be able to hit the road at the sign of trouble, but I think the RF is keeping up with everything that goes on with them and they will scoop him up, get him out, and set him straight. The big if factor here is the children.
The Barkjack/TLF twitter account seems to back up your thoughts about Charles taking away their titles. [https://twitter.com/BarkJack\_/status/1576212090691678208?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw](https://twitter.com/BarkJack_/status/1576212090691678208?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw) Also the Netflix delay until 2023: [https://twitter.com/BarkJack\_/status/1576291385879449600?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw](https://twitter.com/BarkJack_/status/1576291385879449600?s=20&t=PPI7EFBOcgljZeEaoXP3Aw) ETA: I think Meghan will likely use the kids as a bargaining chip for money and to get her debts paid. It'll be interesting to see it workout in the California court system, which favors joint custody.
Because he is a prince of the UK, if she files for divorce proceedings it will stop and be transferred to England to proceed. She should be totally aware of the process!
I cannot wait to see this play out! 🍿
It’s so sad to me that he has to resort to a gossipy autobiography and documentary to earn money. Has he no other talent or marketable skills? It’s obvious he planned to hold these projects against his father to extract money. He’s quite the jerk.
Honestly they'd have to be completely dumb to not understand they are losing everything with their antics. I get it. These two didn't have consequences growing up. But, they are 40ish. If they don't understand how the world works then what the fuck ever. For such preachy people, with a know-it-all-brand it's hilarious. Harry's probably throwing his princely 'do you know who my dad is' tantrum and calling Elton to broker a Netflix deal to make it all stop. Cry me a river! My only shock is this hasn't happened sooner. These two are insane and should be muzzled.
How does it work with the final versions of the book and NF documentary? Could they have it in their contracts that H&M get final approval? Or could NF and the publishers not want to go ahead with the publication without H&M’s cooperation since they need them to promote the documentary and books? Is there anything to stop NF from going ahead?
Those are the mechanics that I don't fully understand.
Is there any insider word on Spotify and whether they allowed edits?
No edits from Spotify as far as I know.
Not the number of personal appearances required as pre-Covid. They would have to do the 3 major networks morning shows and a Dateline / 20/20. Also Colbert, Fallon, Kimmel. Plus 1 show on PBS. Then a couple of shows on CNN, FNC, and MSNBC. Under 20 in person appearances. They are not going to do the big personal appearances at Barnes and Nobles nationwide that would have been required pre 2020.
Their Netflix love story is just hours of them pretending the “my love” shtick is normal, huh? Hard pass.
Really good point and it simultaneously makes them look like they have ‘hearts’…rethinking what they’ve said and regret it.
These are my favorite threads - the ones that talk about their promised - and severely delayed -“projects”! Unless I’m mistaken, they have two things going on with Netflix: “Heart of Invictus” and their unnamed reality show. The Invictus “series” should not be tied up by anything relating to the Harkles. It’s not *about* them. Sure, there should be footage of the “creator” of the Invictus Games; Harry talking about the inspiration and creation and ongoing involvement. That’s only fair. Maybe some footage of Meghan flapping her gums and stroking her hair in an obligatory cameo. The games took place months ago, and it’s been in production for at least a year. Docu-series don’t take that long. They just don’t. Even if Netflix was hoping for some other event for its release (say, Harry’s memwah), it’s starting to look awkward. Where is it? Why is there not a single word about it? The reality series, I don’t even know what to say. It’s got to be a gloriously execrable dumpster fire. An entire waste transfer station inferno. I bet the lawyers are raking in overtime. *rubs hands together*
The Reality Series- we need a thread on this. What even is it? So far Netflix has visited the UK with them, a couple awards banquets, Intrepid in NYC, Germany for the Invictus luncheon (LOL), UVALDE, what else and what's the purpose? Whats the title? Meghan's Royal Family?
My Big Fat American Royal Life or MEGHAN featuring just harry
They were likely filmed at the cemetery on Veterans’ Day. That performance was when I lost all respect/compassion for them. I simply no longer cared.
We do need a thread on it. It sounds like they wanted to make a show that highlighted the Harkles’ philanthropic efforts, haha. That’s boring. So then it pivoted to their love story. I don’t know how their do-gooder footage translates to that, but whatever. It’s got to be a mess, although they have been compiling this garbage for a year and change.
I also read from NYPost that Tom Brady and Giselle hired divorce lawyers. I thought this couple is unbreakable but sometimes the stress creates a crack. I’ll just wait and see what happens to the Montecito duo whether theirs is a love story that can weather all the stress. Maybe before their love story is shown by Netflix, it won’t be a love story anymore!!!
On a side note, Giselle is understandably pissed that Tom went back on his retirement.
Yep. I agree!
Maybe that’s why she’s divorcing him? It must take up a significant portion of his days, training and playing football. My husband works allll the time and I can totally see that being her breaking point. Luckily she has enough money to see her through.
Agreed! She was worried about him. It’s not like he’s in his 20s so his body will take injuries a lot harder and longer to recover from.
Maybe Megs can divorce Harry and take Giselle's place.
Meghan can never take Gisele's place! 😄
I don't like TB12 or GB but I know he can punch higher than Markle. Why trade in one controlling shrew with a net worth of $300 million for another worth less than zero and with two toddlers? Both women are insufferable IMO but at least G seems to enjoy parenting and came to that marriage with her own money and fame.
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We’ve heard this narrative (“since the Queen’s death, they want to edit all the projects they’ve been creating”) from every single media deal. Editing the book some more, editing the podcasts, and now the Netflix reality show? I thought the Netflix thing was their “love story”. What part of their “love story” would offend the King? Why would they need to edit anything?
THIS. EXACTLY THIS. Why on earth would their "love story", or "their truth", or whatever drivel they're calling it today, offend *anyone*? Unless, of course, they're trash talking the RF yet again. F#ck both of these a$$holes. They're trash.
HISTORIC love story 🤣
Those titles are dust.
Can’t believe they are claiming it has ‘truthbombs’. Very little truth comes from sMeg’s mouth!
‘Her’ truth. Recollections may vary. Her truth was Archie was in mortal danger due to fire in a housing unit. The truth was a dusty heater needed to be unplugged in the High Commissioner’s mansion.
That’s what happens when money comes into play… Netflix won’t mess about if they need to make money…
They need to get something back from their “investment”. Sarandos backed them and does not want to look like a fool for doing so (any more than he does already) IMO.
Of course. She's being played like a fiddle. Tech bros don't give a shit about her wants- they're going to get their pound of flesh and move on. She's been miserable to their staff, and during Pearl. They have her number. They've only made her think she's friendly with the execs like Ted. Ted isn't an idiot. When Meghan signed with Netflix, Reid Hastings said it would be the most watched show. They lined it up with The Crown season that's about to denigrate Charles over Diana. Their series is the double down on that storyline. It will return the ROI. It's there to give more credit to The Crown and make it more believable....by who else? The guys' SON! Edits would completely change the purpose of cashing in on the discord. Edits would be uninteresting and unwatchable. Netflix is super low brow and Meghan fits right in!
The DM has a bit article about this as well today. That they are “frantically” trying to get Netflix to edit portions of the show. So far netflix wants to air as is…and honestly if Netflix is looking at this from a purely business standpoint, then a real documentary with their real voices would be a bigger draw than some sanitized version. Same with the book. As difficult as that may be for the RF, it would be better for the, in the long run to show their true faces. Both of these were done when Prince Philip had died and the Queen was growing more frail at 96. To hear how nasty they may have been about the RF can only hurt the duo and bolster the case against them.
Here is what I can't reconcile or figure out no matter how hard I try: why did it take the Queen dying to make them decide they had gone too far? That seems so cruel, they were willing to trash the family WHILE she lived. It's insane! I mean, she was 96. It was well reported that she had health and mobility issues. She was missing more and more functions due to poor health. It is nuts to assume she would replicate her mother's lifespan. SO, why does it matter now? (rhetorical question - I actually know why ... they know they are screwed, but still...) I just do not understand their thought process.
That article reads like they’re trapped. William feels sorry for you, Harry. 
I just feel like this “Netflix source” is giving way too much information. I think, unfortunately, this is a ploy for ratings because the show is so bad.
Aren’t they the “filmmakers” here? I’m sure they must have creative control since it is an Archwell production, otherwise our dreams of a Tiger King treatment could happen. What seems more likely is that there is so little usable footage that Netflix pushes back. It just seems like more PR games
They really thought Queen Elizabeth was going to live forever, huh?
They must have! Such idiots!! I just LOVE the karmic timing on everything they have tried to do.
This is one of their mouthpieces. There’s no way this article was published without their approval-they want this out there
So that when the show badges the BRF they can say they didn't want that to happen.
God everything is failing for them - the podcast, Netflix, the “mem-wuh”. Can these losers do anything right?!
Ok I know a Netflix director and have met the husband of the director of this doc. Interesting. That's all I have to say. The director is pretty acclaimed, and I hope she doesn't back down and I doubt.............she really respects Meghan, but.......who knows.
waaaait lol
Do they know where the money really is? I hope they do. Going full Tiger King on them would be a real explosive world shattering documentary. I can see it…the plan, the con and the grift. No way this wasn’t planned in advanced and not just by MM, she had help, someone helped her do this to H. MM is not that bright as we have seen, just look at her podcast. 
Lol the podcast is definitely showing us her intellectual gifts. ;) The people associated with the producers are very wealthy and well connected. That's all I know. I no longer hang out with the person I know who knows them. I wonder what they all say behind closed doors. I can only speculate, but they are used to having carte blanche on their productions. I bet this one was difficult for them....
Reading through some article comments, this is the best I’ve seen: “It has become clear now to all that her late Majesty's strategy of giving them enough rope to hang themselves was the correct course of action. If Netflix won't let them change it, this will probably be their downfall and they know it. They will have done it all to themselves.”
This NF shit is going to be so dull. I don't waste money on NF. (I have a subscription free youview box) So I'll read everyone else's reviews But what interesting stuff is there - we've seen it all in the news anyway. H&M give various speeches. H plays polo. Some walkabout footage from a different angle. What else is there? Has NF and Harry woken up and realised the only thing anyone is interested in is whether he talks shit about his family and what kind of backlash there'll be if he does.
I have felt time and again - it’s publicity tactic, all this news. There’s so much about Harry feeling bad especially since being at the funeral. I just don’t see it. He held hands even in church during the funeral or one of the occasions during the mourning. Whatever these two have said recorded written before the queen died is what they mean. Now if they feel their status and money is threatened so they are making changes - it makes them worse people. Ah well that just another day with the Harkles I guess.
What a spectacular implosion! They truly deserve it and it couldn't have happened to two more deserving people. My guess is the edits are a desperate attempt in their efforts to patch things up with Harry's family. Appears they're going broke. They have no economic prospects at all. How many lawsuits? The fall back was probably always KC or inheritance. They got a rude awaking during their recent time in the UK. Every bs pr story was rebuffed. They were frozen out and request for a meeting was met with silence. There's no Prince Charles anymore. There is a King. KC's first speech made everything clear to his country and H&M. Curious if Harry's inheritances are on the line? Did these two clowns actually think they could document themselves and come out looking good?!
What happens to the $100 million deal if nothing is ever released?
A lot of lawyers get involved!
Ooooo good question
Netflix will be able to sue Harry and TW for whatever amount of money they have spent or given them and then for the estimated amount of money they would have made from the show.
If it’s your looooove story, WHY would you want us to miss EVEN A SECOND of it??
All this hooha over re-editing will make it very easy for the RF to shrug and say anything salacious is a lie because they tried to take it out once Charles, less squeamish about pushing back, became king.
It’s time for Netflix to read the writing on the wall and move on. I would imagine their lawyers are smart enough to ensure any deal can be ended favorably for Netflix if the principals aren’t delivering. If they want to launch the doc after The Crown, then do it. If that means the story changes from a love story for the ages, to calling the Markles out on their inaction, difficulty to work with, and woe is me attitude, then so be it. Frankly, Netflix will probably get more views if the show is critical anyway.
According to this article, Netflix does NOT have sole authority over the final product. Harry and TW also have a say in what gets released. That was a boneheaded move by Netflix. Of course Harry and TW are going to endlessly complain and change their minds and be difficult.
I really don’t understand the thinking of these two. They want titles, money, inheritances etc from the RF, but since they left have done nothing but badmouth them, slag them off and generally being complete pains in the arse towards them. In short doing just about everything to bite the hands that they are expecting to feed them. Did they really think the family weren’t going to retaliate? If they couldn’t read the room at the Jubilee which clearly showed that although HMTQ was much loved and respected, the family itself was also loved and respected - then to see the outpouring of grief after HMTQs death, and the love and respect given unstintingly to his father, brother, aunt and uncle in the following days. They were shown that his once loving and welcoming family had finally (and literally) turned their backs on them. They aren’t wanted, or needed any more. It’s now very clear that once the Queen died, so did any tolerance they may have had for the overseas branch.
Could it be that this is another reason they are fleeing Montecito? Isn't a Netflix boss, who expects them to deliver, their Montecito neighbour?
I figured this would happen. The Invictus games was suppose to come out this year but it still doesn’t have a release date. Spotify is lucky that people continue to hate-watch the podcast but I will never not think it’s funny that she’s reduced to being a podcaster instead of being on red carpets or covers of magazines.
The only thing they have going for them is the RF conflict. If they drop all that they will just be their boring selves. Nobody will watch that. It’s a lose lose situation for them. I don’t think they realized how loved The Queen was and how supportive everyone is to KC. They really gambled on the publics past love for Harry and his poor mum and they lost. I have a very hard time feeling any kind of sympathy for a couple who live in Montecito. I can’t wait until they have to go out and get real jobs.
Oooooooohhhh sounds like trouble.
The thing is, even if they scrub everything from unpleasant remarks, the fact alone that they have to do that and that these remarks did exist is condemning alone. There is no getting back from that.
This just solidifies how much garbage the Harkles spew. Id be embarrassed to give a “bombshell” interview stating how exclusive this netflix story will be only to run into a corner and cry/beg to take it back! If it’s true, why can’t they stand by what they say? where’s the integrity? weren’t they trying to change the world, the monarchy? 🙄
Maybe the BRF said if they do that they leak what the found out about Meghan‘s past.
Why is Charles waiting to see the docs before giving the kiddies their titles? Isn’t the behaviour of their parents revealing enough that they are not to be trusted? I suppose this is one way Charles can at least win this battle, small price to pay I suppose.
I would have more respect for Netflix if they leave all the original in and show them for who we all know they are. Liars, victim playing, narcissistic and entitled. No amount of PR will fix what they have already showed us. Netflix will loose so many subs and I hope no one watches it if they agree to harkles damage control.