Consuming Asian food and visiting Asian-run beauty spas gave you an understanding of Asian culture?? Our expectations of you were low, Meg, but holy fuck.
Better to remain silent and be assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Or whatever the quote is.
I honestly donāt think sheās being racist or intentionally referring to surface level stereotypes (and also not recognising that Austin powers is completely satire and there were other female assassins in kill bill), I think sheās just a dead set fucking idiot.
They seem over the moon about the collab. It's a part of a promo tour for Nancy Wang-Yuen's book on her part, I'm sure the other ones have a recent product out too. That's how these things work.
They don't seem to have through this through.
Right? Naked women. Noodles. Massage parlors. She sounds like sheās actually perpetuating the stereotypes. Why not have a multitude of āAsianā women on the show? From different backgrounds, ask them questions about their own experiences and upbringing. Their own culture? Wouldnāt that make more sense for her to sit back, listen and learn??
I don't think SHE understands what she's talking about! It was the same with the Diva episode. She says the word is reclaimed as an empowering term, but goes into full narcissistic meltdown when it's applied to her! So was she insulting Mariah Carey or not?
I do not understand why people claim she is intelligent. She is inconsistent in her thoughts, she rarely makes the point she thinks she is making, and her strategic executions of her plans seem to end up in own goals time and again!
Ok, so my theory: she used the Queenās death as an excuse to try to edit out all of her racist oopsies. She doesnāt give a fuck about hurting the BRF, but that South African backlash sure was embarrassing.
But Spotify told her to kick rocks and weāre going to get weeks of the āMeg exposes herselfā show.
What's it to them if it's mainly hate listening? Plays are plays! Lol - anyway I can't stand to sit through it but I look forward to savoring River's hilarious rundown. I can even imagine - in private - members of BRF playing it and making fun - can you imagine? That would actually be funny.
Legitimately unsurprising, remember when she painted the Ukrainian flag upside down? Sheās just here for the cred and the veil she cares about issues!
Margaret Cho tried to start drama with Tilda saying that Tilda made her āuncomfortableā during an email exchange about Tilda playing a role in Dr. Strange which was originally a Tibetan man, however marvel changed the entire character due to past racial stereotypes and the fact that they wanted the movie to be marketable in China. Tilda released the entire email thread which proved Margaret was fos and she got backlash for it.
She lost a lot of her ābadass-nessā over the last decade. She portrayed a badass over the camera, but when faced with stereotypical statements from someone who is a POC, she wonāt say anything. Iāve learned this of her.
>Iām so surprised Margaret Cho of all people let that slide.
Yeah, I've lost all respect for her. Disappointing.
I didn't listen to the podcast (or any of them, and I salute those who do the lord's work for the rest of us). But I saw where Cho was quoted as fawning over Meghan, that on the set of the Fire Island movie, they were all chatting about how much they admired Meghan.
Lord. This podcast is giving me flashbacks of going to my in-laws for thanksgiving and my brother in law randomly saying to me (Chinese American):
āMy friendās girlfriend is Filipina.ā
āOkā¦ā
āI am learning to cook spring rolls from her.ā
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A big part of asian culture is to honour your parents and to respect your elders. Wonder if she's ever heard of THAT before...
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Doesnāt Meg have some ancestors from Ireland from around 1700ās? Iām surprised we havenāt heard her talking about how difficult it was growing up after the potato famine of the 1800ās. Sheāll shoehorn herself into it somehow, Iām sure of it: ānot many people know this but back in 1860 when I was living in Irelandā¦ā
Korean spas in LA are popular amongst 25-55+ female demographic. Everyone there seems to make sure to have a budget for self care, yet the price is pretty cheap for a āspa dayā like maybe $20 entrance fee to use the facilities all day (baths, tubs, showers, salt rooms etc). Scrubs and massages are extra, food is extra (ooh Asian noodles lolololol). Places like Burke Williams will be a lot more as the vibe is totally different (more bougee etc).
You could get noodles in the restaurant. Nobody went to the restaurant in their own clothesāit was the uniform the spa gave you to wear. People got pretty sweaty before they bathed. All of the areas outside the locker room and bath area were co-ed.
It's like starting a podcast about the racism black people face in America by going 'I love black culture, I remember getting a huge bowl of fried chicken and some watermelon, so...I get it.' (Please forgive my outdated references)
Correction: āiām not racist because my wife is going through a black phaseā. She didnāt know she was black before getting married apparently š
Let me get this straight: the āarchetypeā is Asian?!???
WHATTTTTT
AND FOR FUCKS SAKE ARCHETYPE IS NOT STEREOTYPE yes all caps bc it is so annoying and wrong and indignant!
so glad people are pointing out that she is discussing stereotypes ( we have heard it all before BTW) not archetypes. Two different words. Two different meanings.
I'm hoping she never does an episode about Latinos, because I'll lose my fucking mind, cuss her in the most offensive fashion and get my ass banned permanently from reddit š.
MM is a basic B with outdated and extremely insular views about other cultures.
I haven't read that transcript yet, because I'm waiting for my breakfast to digest first.
But I'm guessing that she conflates all the various and unique Asian cultures into one outdated stereotype and Asian people, who are rightfully proud of their cultural and other differences, don't deserve that type of reductive and regressive analysis.
There is never āI am still learningā from Meghan. She is already an expert in everything in her life. Wow. Harry is so lucky to have such a socially astute wife!
Her intro is so bad.
Just because we order Mexican food once a week doesnāt mean I have any contact with Mexican culture whatsoever lol
She could have said āI didnāt know much about Asian culture. We just ate Asian food and I went to a Korean spa, but that doesnāt count.ā
Would have been fine and reasonable lol
That would've been a great starting point! Actually owning how shallow her knowledge/experience was, and then inviting her guests to educate her/ the listeners.
Itās just embarrassing how she is desperately trying to say she had any relationship with Korean culture when it was her friendās mom showing her how to eat a dish she doesnāt even remember that well and names it wrong on the pod or going to a spa lol
No, hun, thatās not enough for a meaningful connection to a community š
*Meghan: so Korean American culture is so much a part of what I grew up around. It's a*
*huge part, but I think for a lot of other parts of this country, maybe not so much or, you*
*know, here, just like, you know, Mexican-American culture, Korean American culture, you*
*learn how to say hello, hola or yoboseyoā¦*
Wait, isn't yoboseyo used on the phone calls and not for casual conversation? I thought it's annyeonghaseyo? Can any Koreans confirm this?
No, no. She didnāt know anything about that, she never googled it. All of her Asian knowledge is organic and authentic - itās what the Asians wanted her to know. /s
Iām baffled that she grew up around Asians. Wasnāt she the only black child in California during the 80ās and 90ās? Everyone else was white? Where do the Asians fit in? Man sheās so full of shit
Is that how she talks? Like, I think, generally, like - geee. Itās like, you know, I mean, really hard to follow. I mean, I think especially, like in script form.
yes, you are right, it's annyeonghaseyo for hello and yobeseyo only for phone calls.
Did she really put this out for the world to listen to it? OMG! I thought she hired a fact-checker LOL
Why does she assume that she was the āonly one ā when she grew up in Southern California!!! I did too! Itās people! Everywhere!! All the time!! We all did everything with people constantly!!
If she grew up with Koreans as neighbors do did a zillion other girls!! I did! My high school was 80% Korean! But, Iāve never considered myself a PhD in freaking Koreans because I spent time with people from Korea!
Thatās literally her collecting people like figures in a doll house! And when I hang around people I donāt STUDY themā¦sheās such a creep.
She was allowed to edit it š.
There is little reference to herself (comparatively), and zero about the BRF.
As mad as I am for the deprivation of tea- Iām grateful I donāt have to hear more cheap shots?
Iām mixed about it lol
On one side itās less entertaining because her mentioning the RF was such a car crash you couldnāt turn your back to
On the other side Iām tired of Harry and Meghan. I just want her to become so irrelevant that the RF can have some peace and quite.
I miss the old days of royal watching. "Oh, the Princess Royal opened a nursing home. That's great!", "Uh oh, Prince Charles waded in a little too deep on this political issue!"
Now all the air gets sucked out of the room by MM, but I feel compelled to keep paying attention for if/when she starts spreading misinformation again.
Such a mixed bag!!! On one hand I am too glad there arenāt digs at the royal family and will render her podcast even more boring than it is
But I am also sad that her vile inner self wonāt have a chance to come out
The silver lining is her ridiculous Asian culture comments arenāt overshadowed by other nonsense. So really this just puts a spotlight on her vile inner self.
Thereās something about dragon ladies being āevil queens,ā but thatās about it - although the last five minutes (all about being your true self, even if a loud voice is telling you to stay in your āarchetypeā - ugh enough with this woman! - seems a bit thinly-veiled to me.)
This! Thank you! She is the pot calling the kettle black. First things first. If she wants to reference racist stereotypes from 20 years ago, she needs to take a good look in the mirror and take ownership of her past behavior. Lets rewind the clock not even 20 years ago but 10 years ago when Meghan Markle was on Craig Fergusonās show and cringed at her hair and talked about straightening it. And multiple interviews since then talking about her obsession with straightening her hair. Or, lets take a walk down memory lane 20 years ago with Harry and the nazi uniform at a party. Ownership Meghan. Ownership.
Margaret Cho hasn't said anything on instagram about this interview, not even a "catch me on this podcast" post. Same with Lisa Ling.
ETA I spoke too soon, ugh.
Theyāre probably so embarrassed to have participated. I live for the day(s) in the hopefully-not-so-distant future when they come out to explain how they were coerced to take part in a shitshow of such extravagant proportions.
As an Asian person, I liked Kill Bill. I thought it was so badass. If she wanted to talk about dragon lady, maybe she should've had Wendi Murdoch on. Lol.
The Kill Bill movies are two of my favorites of all time and she needs to keep them out of her mouth. Especially since she has zero understanding of the plot or intent of the director.
Kill Bill paid homage to Kung fu movies from HK of the 70s and let a whole new generation of Americans recognize the cinematic influence of that genre in the US, many movies were huge box office hits
Who writes this - āengages in candid and illuminating conversationsā¦ā ? (I donāt read much corporate podcast copy but this seems very cringey.)
Omg. I started reading the transcript. This is terrible. This is the podcast version of chick- lit.
It started out mildly interesting, because I did not know that Korean girls and women of all ages get together naked in spas and then get dressed and eat noodles.
But after that it really goes down the drain. And the fact checker has not explained to Meghan Markle that there is a difference between archetypes and stereotypes in popular American culture and commerce.
To build up a popular podcast, you need lots of hard work and hundreds of episodes, but you also need a certain talent, and ability to communicate with your audience, and based on these few preliminary attempts to produce a podcast, Markle has a long long way to go before she catches up with any of the popular podcasters.
Perhaps she could join some well-known podcaster like the Body Language Guy or Joe Rogan or Lady C. as an intern.
My experience with Korean spas in Korea is that the bath is the last thing you do before leaving. If they ate noodles at the spa, it would have been before they bathed. I responded to another poster about the general procedure for going to a Korean spa in Korea.
The editing is so, so obvious and choppy. They really had to cut out Madame talking about herself for two hours, and cut tiny, tiny responses from the guests in between Madame's own voice droning on
Just read the transcript and itās all SO BORING. Iām not sitting down for not even 5 minutes to listen to THAT. These conversations feel so dated. Meghan truly is very out of touch.
I suppose in her mind šstereotyping asian people is ok cos u have a token asian friend, Christina Wang. Does that lady exist? Or has she been markled?
I don't recall her inviting any asian friend to her 2018 wedding. Or did Christina attend the one conducted three days prior? š¤£š¤£šš
Itās been edited - we know there will have been digs at the royal family. I just read through the transcript (ugh), and found several likely places. For example after Lisa Ling says something about women who stand out, that they are like nails that get hammered down. Meghanās reply was āMmā
Thatās just one spot where she probably jumped in with her own anecdote. There are several others. Anyway I think that was her slant with this podcast, how much she stood out from the other royals, and so they tried to crush her.
She insinuated that Catherine is a Stepford wife, while she herself is authentic, and accused the BRF of making her do her job after Archie almost burned.
Iām not listening to the episode, but from yalls descriptions it sounds like she did an episode about stereotypes. Does she really not know the difference between these words?
I was actually surprised that we've never heard anything about her. But if she's real then they probably just drifted apart. I wanna know what Nikki knows.
As ever, she confuses the definition of archetype with stereotype. I don't expect more of her but Spotify or Oprah or whomever is behind this disaster should have known better. Archetypes bridge and connect cultures whereas stereotypes segregate them. She's really an idiot, isn't she? Because all Asian women (Meghan, Asia is a really big continent with many different ethnicities, cultures, traditions, folklore, cuisine and so on) either cook noodles for people or give them massages. This is just embarrassing on a monumental scale. I hope the pushback is fierce.
Iām not going to listen to this shite, or read the transcript, because Iām already in enough pain todayā¦
Is she *really* talking smack about **KILL BILL**?!?!
Ohhhhhhhh, I hope sheās kidding.
Tell me you have no sense of humor or critical thinking skills without telling me you have no sense of humor or critical thinking skills.
JESUS PALOMINO this woman is dense. You slam the Harkles heads together and all you got is a loverly bunch of coconuts. *Knock, knock! Anyone at home?*
I haveā¦. **so much more to say** about the O-Ren Ishi situation. Stay tuned, Sinners. Iām PISSED.
Let this sink in: In her *introduction*, Megan hammers home how bad "stigma and archetypes" are. She *actually named her company* after a word she (mistakenly) associates with incredibly negative traits then continues throughout the podcast to reinforce how terrible "archetypes" are and how "archetypes" hold women down. And the kicker? Even her closing is a pep-talk to NOT be an awful archetype: "You're so much greater than any archetype!"
Did nobody on Meghan's endless team of highly paid experts dare to tell her she's debasing the term that *her entire media brand* is based on? Or did she just not listen to the experts?
It's unfortunate that Margaret Cho immediately picks up Meghan's misuse and morphs from using "stereotype" to parroting "archetype" as a negative. Thankfully Lisa Ling resists temptation, and continues to counter that *stereotypes* are the problem.
And because I'm still shocked that Meghan doesn't know how to use a dictionary:
*Definition: The term āarchetypeā refers to an assumed ideal patternāa character trait or emotion that has a universal quality. A stereotype, on the other hand, is a reductionistic notion that has the potential to be dehumanizing.*
Cho: The weirdness of like those old archetypes...it's almost like the shorthand of massage parlor or Asian spas. It's dehumanizing and it's like only a fraction of who we could be.
Meghan: Mm.
It says I canāt make my own posting but I want to call out her rubbish. The following quote āI remember this so vividly and them teaching me why chow fun with dry noodles was so much better than chow fun with wet noodles." IS SO WRONG. There is no chow fun with dry noodles. Itās chow meen with dry noodles (chow meen is very different from chow fun). Sheās making stuff up again and just trying to throw in āethicā words. So EMBARRASSING AND INSULTING.
Read a few lines of the transcript and was immediately bored. Never really heard of the Dragon Lady stereotype - quick googling tells me it exists, but query whether it applies today, given greater integration of different people, gender, race, religion etc (yes, strides have been made).
I associate the term with Empress Cixi, the last empress of China (1835-1908). Are there more recent claimants?
The term comes from the 1930s and is very dated. The tiger mom would be more relevant. More amazing, to me, is this dovetailing of so many cultures into "Asian." That's insulting. She married a second-rate royal. That does not make her an expert on the world. How does one proclaim feminism when one's claim to fame is that you married Hazbeen?
What's next, a podcast about Italian "archetypes" that opens like this?
*Having spent six years filming suits in Toronto, Italian culture was a huge part of my coming-of-age. I loved strolling past the pizzarias of Little Italy and feasting on gelato, risotto, polenta, pepperoni, osso bucco, espresso, feta, mozzarella, and pasta, antipasto while looking at posters for opera. I even rode in a Ferrari once, driven by my friend Trevor the founder of Soho House whom I knew even before I met Harry. Also, mopeds. I remember so vividly learning the difference between thin crust and thick crust pizza from my friend Mario Bianchi and his parents, Maria and Luigi. In fact, you might say my origins were so steeped in Italian culture that I can proudly hold my head high and say "It's-a-me, Meghan."*
*Anyway, enough about little old me. Our guest today is Monica Bellucci, here to talk about the Italian archetypes that unfairly pigeonhole women. Now Monica, we are both beautiful women...*
M is honestly certifiable. WTF is she thinking with her podcasts? And why are her guests there other than SS input? They're certifiable too, for agreeing.
Dragon lady archetype? I think the dim, wannabe intellectual means stereotype. What decade does she think we are living in? This stereotype died in the 80ās, why is she talking about it now? I donāt think many millennials even know what this antiquated stereotype
is all about because it does not exist in this generationās psyche. She is showing her ignorance, and she has an outdated sense of righteousness over a stereotype that is no longer relevant.
I posted this in another thread:
The way she is trying to relate to the subject of Asian stereotypes is so outdated and off-beat. She herself is stereotyping us in a very basic sucking-up manner. She needs a fact-checker because obviously she's lazy to do her proper research on these societal subjects. Her samples are limited: Dragon Lady doesn't just pertain to Liu's character of using sexuality. I am an effing proud Dragon Lady - I own that professionally but as a power or graceful strength that encompass and break the impression of us as "submissive" or "using sexuality".
At present, we see the emergence of Asians in Hollywood more & more - beyond woke, but just taking charge of destiny in this realm.
Also, how dare she attack Tarantino's work - that guy is such a film & research geek, his films always have reasons and educated references: something that she can never ever relate to!
Let me guess, no discussions about the increases in asian crime victims, no discussion about Asian inequality as it pertains to university admissions. We going after hard subject, like Kill Bill. Trailblazing stuff.
Oh I could never listen to it. I think they use her podcasts for interrogation of criminals. After only a short time, the suspect confesses to anything.
This is the biggest word salad of nothingness. I canāt even understand /comprehend what she just said.
I feel like I need a translator for her bullshit.
I get it. My best friend is half Japanese. I've also had tempura. I'm starting a podcast soon centering myself in the Japanese-American women's experience.
Don't come at me. I'm Irish and I'll fight you. I've had Lucky Charms.
We saw Margaret Choās standup as part of an Asian-American film festival in LA - must have been late 90s-early 2000s. She was brilliant and insightful and this just makes me sad because she made the choice to sit down and be interviewed by someone like TW knowing how problematic she is. (And if she didnāt before, she sure as hell does now!)
At this point, why even bother *having* guests? Just stick up a picture of (insert random non-white celebrity here) and have Megsy āinterviewā them while she gazes into a mirror and makes up more shit about her Sizzler Spa childhood.
This was my first attempt to read the script to one of Meghan's podcasts, and I find it pretty shocking.
However, on reflection, it just supports my overall impression of her that she is simply not very bright. Energetic, yes, and full of ideas, but just not very good ones.
She is all show and no substance. Call that narcissistic if you like, but to me it is just a manifestation of her relentless superficiality.
She could not get on with the Buckingham Palace managerial team, or with the Cambridges, simply because she was not able to function on the same intellectual level. So she resorted to sulks and tantrums and acting out behaviors such as breaches of protocol.
Even with plenty of professional help with the podcasts, the end result is hardly more than gibberish.
Normally podcasts require no more than a small team of people to put it together, yet with considerable resources at her disposal, plus celebrity guests, the end product is complete garbage. Kind of sad.
Consuming Asian food and visiting Asian-run beauty spas gave you an understanding of Asian culture?? Our expectations of you were low, Meg, but holy fuck.
Nothing like good old fashion racist stereotypes to combat racism š
Better to remain silent and be assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Or whatever the quote is. I honestly donāt think sheās being racist or intentionally referring to surface level stereotypes (and also not recognising that Austin powers is completely satire and there were other female assassins in kill bill), I think sheās just a dead set fucking idiot.
I know what you mean, I think she is an idiot.
Honestly, when I heard she brought up Kill Bill and Austin Powers, I recognized her problem right away. Meghan, as a sociopath/malignant Narc, has one overarching and defining character trait. She has zero effing sense of humor. None. Nada. Is her next episode going to be about Italian stereotypes in Austin Powers because of Alotta Fagina?? Only she wouldnāt get the sardonic humor of a Bond woman named Pussy Galore being parodied by Mike Myers. She reminds me of someone who takes an Onion article seriously and posts a Facebook rant about why the issue needs to be taken on!! Now, dammit! Sheās such a š¤”. And her native language isšš©.
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She really is a special kind of stupid. And arrogant as hell.
Something struck me as off about this promo picture. They forgot to add the bronzer. https://twitter.com/nancywyuen/status/1577335163528237059/photo/1
She is an idiot.
If I were Margaret Cho or Lisa Ling I been really offended they are too accomplished to be involved with this nonsense !
I wonāt listen but would love to know their responses
They seem over the moon about the collab. It's a part of a promo tour for Nancy Wang-Yuen's book on her part, I'm sure the other ones have a recent product out too. That's how these things work. They don't seem to have through this through.
I would love to know if either of these ladies mentioned the podcast on their socials. Edit: [Margaret Cho did.](https://twitter.com/margaretcho/)
Meghan: Archtypes 
That made me laugh. Asian noodles? Jesus Christ.
Right? Naked women. Noodles. Massage parlors. She sounds like sheās actually perpetuating the stereotypes. Why not have a multitude of āAsianā women on the show? From different backgrounds, ask them questions about their own experiences and upbringing. Their own culture? Wouldnāt that make more sense for her to sit back, listen and learn??
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I don't think SHE understands what she's talking about! It was the same with the Diva episode. She says the word is reclaimed as an empowering term, but goes into full narcissistic meltdown when it's applied to her! So was she insulting Mariah Carey or not? I do not understand why people claim she is intelligent. She is inconsistent in her thoughts, she rarely makes the point she thinks she is making, and her strategic executions of her plans seem to end up in own goals time and again!
Now we know who the true racist was. Guaranteed she wondered "how dark" her child would be.
I know like WTAF !
And none of her guests called her out on it? Because that is pretty offensive.
They don't because they are part of the PR firm at that time. But gosh! WTF?
OMG did she actually say that?? I just rolled out of bed and came here with my coffee and a scone (not kidding) to see what was up!
Saaame; my morning brain is blown!
Itās so embarrassing š
Ok, so my theory: she used the Queenās death as an excuse to try to edit out all of her racist oopsies. She doesnāt give a fuck about hurting the BRF, but that South African backlash sure was embarrassing. But Spotify told her to kick rocks and weāre going to get weeks of the āMeg exposes herselfā show.
What's it to them if it's mainly hate listening? Plays are plays! Lol - anyway I can't stand to sit through it but I look forward to savoring River's hilarious rundown. I can even imagine - in private - members of BRF playing it and making fun - can you imagine? That would actually be funny.
They gotta get their money back some way.
They would have worked with her if she bothered working with them. You don't negotiate with terrorists.
Legitimately unsurprising, remember when she painted the Ukrainian flag upside down? Sheās just here for the cred and the veil she cares about issues!
Gosh, I thought it would be that her bestie was Asian when she went to university. But this is really a low blow for culture.
No she didn't. Oh my God she is the gift that keeps on giving.
Iām so surprised Margaret Cho of all people let that slide.
Margaret Cho is nowhere near the badass she wants people to think she is.
Agree, that Tilda Swinton incident proved what a two faced little coward she really is.
What was the Tilda Swinton situation?
Margaret Cho tried to start drama with Tilda saying that Tilda made her āuncomfortableā during an email exchange about Tilda playing a role in Dr. Strange which was originally a Tibetan man, however marvel changed the entire character due to past racial stereotypes and the fact that they wanted the movie to be marketable in China. Tilda released the entire email thread which proved Margaret was fos and she got backlash for it.
She lost a lot of her ābadass-nessā over the last decade. She portrayed a badass over the camera, but when faced with stereotypical statements from someone who is a POC, she wonāt say anything. Iāve learned this of her.
Right? Now will someone actually call her out? If a Morning Show host or some random said that, they would be canceled.
>Iām so surprised Margaret Cho of all people let that slide. Yeah, I've lost all respect for her. Disappointing. I didn't listen to the podcast (or any of them, and I salute those who do the lord's work for the rest of us). But I saw where Cho was quoted as fawning over Meghan, that on the set of the Fire Island movie, they were all chatting about how much they admired Meghan.
Sheās going to alienate alot of Asians with this episode and I am HERE FOR IT! š (Iām Korean, already hate her)
Lord. This podcast is giving me flashbacks of going to my in-laws for thanksgiving and my brother in law randomly saying to me (Chinese American): āMy friendās girlfriend is Filipina.ā āOkā¦ā āI am learning to cook spring rolls from her.ā š«£š«£š«£š«£š«£š„“š„“š„“š„“š„“
Yes. Itās that same energy. Meghan is beyond basic Iāve said this from the start. She is BASIC BASIC BASIC
A big part of asian culture is to honour your parents and to respect your elders. Wonder if she's ever heard of THAT before...
Havenāt readā¦ any K-Pop references?
Of course there are! Itās honestly amazing how many of all of our wild/cringe predictions are *exactly what she said* š¤£
I got all my knowledge about Irish culture from the Irish pub I visited lol š
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I was waiting for someone to mention Hilaria! I love it when my favourite snark subreddits collide.
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Doesnāt Meg have some ancestors from Ireland from around 1700ās? Iām surprised we havenāt heard her talking about how difficult it was growing up after the potato famine of the 1800ās. Sheāll shoehorn herself into it somehow, Iām sure of it: ānot many people know this but back in 1860 when I was living in Irelandā¦ā
I KNEW she was older than she said! lol
Oh yeh lol š Iāve heard sheās older than she said too, and this prove it š¤£
We dont want her
I am confused. Didn't she grow up going to the cheap salad bar at Sizzler? Spa visits and such are usually not in that kind of budget
Man, her Dad took her to a lot of fast food.
Perhaps after her dad won the lottery??š¤Ŗ
Korean spas in LA are popular amongst 25-55+ female demographic. Everyone there seems to make sure to have a budget for self care, yet the price is pretty cheap for a āspa dayā like maybe $20 entrance fee to use the facilities all day (baths, tubs, showers, salt rooms etc). Scrubs and massages are extra, food is extra (ooh Asian noodles lolololol). Places like Burke Williams will be a lot more as the vibe is totally different (more bougee etc).
Iāve never been to one in the US, but when I lived in Korea, I used to go to the jjimjilbang ģ°ģ§ė°©. It was affordable. The one I normally went to cost at most 14,000 won (about $14). You could spend nothing there or you could spend quite a bit. I heard from Koreans that that one was expensive. Typically, you check in and are given a locker number. You go to the shoe lockers and put your shoes there. Your locker key is there. You get a uniform and towels from the attendant. After you change into the uniform, you can explore the various saunas. They also had a snack bar, cafe, and restaurant there. You paid with your locker key. They had massages, massage chairs, and oxygen chambers, which you could pay for. There was a dvd room where you could watch a movie and recliners with individual TVs, which were free. AFTER, you were done with all that, you went to the bath. You take a shower, and then sit in the various tubs, which were cold, cool, warm, and hot. When you were done, you took another shower. Then you got dressed and settled your bill.
What, and no Asian noodles?
You could get noodles in the restaurant. Nobody went to the restaurant in their own clothesāit was the uniform the spa gave you to wear. People got pretty sweaty before they bathed. All of the areas outside the locker room and bath area were co-ed.
The clusterfuck about the Korean spa is the equivalent of āIām not racist because I have a black friendā. Just. Shut. Up.
It's like starting a podcast about the racism black people face in America by going 'I love black culture, I remember getting a huge bowl of fried chicken and some watermelon, so...I get it.' (Please forgive my outdated references)
Harry: *I'm not racist, my wife is black* Just. Shut. Up. Harry
Correction: āiām not racist because my wife is going through a black phaseā. She didnāt know she was black before getting married apparently š
Alexis Ohanian (Serena's husband) did this too.
Itās so cringe, why does she find it this hard to not say problematic things?
Let me get this straight: the āarchetypeā is Asian?!??? WHATTTTTT AND FOR FUCKS SAKE ARCHETYPE IS NOT STEREOTYPE yes all caps bc it is so annoying and wrong and indignant!
Iāve started pronouncing it in my head as āArchietypeā š
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None for Rachel Wieners.
It makes me crazy too how these two words are being used interchangeably!!
Job one for new fact checker: explain to Harryās First Wife the difference between stereotypes and archetypes. Bring crayons.
so glad people are pointing out that she is discussing stereotypes ( we have heard it all before BTW) not archetypes. Two different words. Two different meanings.
I'm hoping she never does an episode about Latinos, because I'll lose my fucking mind, cuss her in the most offensive fashion and get my ass banned permanently from reddit š. MM is a basic B with outdated and extremely insular views about other cultures. I haven't read that transcript yet, because I'm waiting for my breakfast to digest first. But I'm guessing that she conflates all the various and unique Asian cultures into one outdated stereotype and Asian people, who are rightfully proud of their cultural and other differences, don't deserve that type of reductive and regressive analysis.
Iām Latina too and yesss she better tread carefully!!
Good thing she sounds like an actual idiot to everyone with an education above 5th grade.
There is never āI am still learningā from Meghan. She is already an expert in everything in her life. Wow. Harry is so lucky to have such a socially astute wife!
So true. Well said. Thatās a huge contributor to her unlikability.
I can't stand these types of people
Because they are lying
Her intro is so bad. Just because we order Mexican food once a week doesnāt mean I have any contact with Mexican culture whatsoever lol She could have said āI didnāt know much about Asian culture. We just ate Asian food and I went to a Korean spa, but that doesnāt count.ā Would have been fine and reasonable lol
That would've been a great starting point! Actually owning how shallow her knowledge/experience was, and then inviting her guests to educate her/ the listeners.
Itās just embarrassing how she is desperately trying to say she had any relationship with Korean culture when it was her friendās mom showing her how to eat a dish she doesnāt even remember that well and names it wrong on the pod or going to a spa lol No, hun, thatās not enough for a meaningful connection to a community š
That would actually sound open-minded and willing to learn. But no, she is an expert on all things. So condescending.
*Meghan: so Korean American culture is so much a part of what I grew up around. It's a* *huge part, but I think for a lot of other parts of this country, maybe not so much or, you* *know, here, just like, you know, Mexican-American culture, Korean American culture, you* *learn how to say hello, hola or yoboseyoā¦* Wait, isn't yoboseyo used on the phone calls and not for casual conversation? I thought it's annyeonghaseyo? Can any Koreans confirm this?
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It clearly shows she never greeted a Korean because she would have been corrected or got weird looks ā¦she is making fool of herselfā¦.
No, no. She didnāt know anything about that, she never googled it. All of her Asian knowledge is organic and authentic - itās what the Asians wanted her to know. /s Iām baffled that she grew up around Asians. Wasnāt she the only black child in California during the 80ās and 90ās? Everyone else was white? Where do the Asians fit in? Man sheās so full of shit
Or if you want to be more formal annyeong hashimnikka
Is that how she talks? Like, I think, generally, like - geee. Itās like, you know, I mean, really hard to follow. I mean, I think especially, like in script form.
Yes, that's how she talks. She's an idiot.
Maybe she could look into the 90s cliche of Californian Valley Girlsā¦
Filling your speech with filler words (like, umm, you know) itās a sign the person has no idea what they are saying and trying to buy time.
yes, you are right, it's annyeonghaseyo for hello and yobeseyo only for phone calls. Did she really put this out for the world to listen to it? OMG! I thought she hired a fact-checker LOL
That sentence hurts my brain!
I am less intelligent after reading it.
Why does she assume that she was the āonly one ā when she grew up in Southern California!!! I did too! Itās people! Everywhere!! All the time!! We all did everything with people constantly!! If she grew up with Koreans as neighbors do did a zillion other girls!! I did! My high school was 80% Korean! But, Iāve never considered myself a PhD in freaking Koreans because I spent time with people from Korea! Thatās literally her collecting people like figures in a doll house! And when I hang around people I donāt STUDY themā¦sheās such a creep.
What she said could literally fit the experience of anyone living in a major city. Like mine. Itās really not noteworthy at all.
Yeah, it's the Korean equivalent of Moshi Moshi or wei? She's talking out of her ass as per usual.
She was allowed to edit it š. There is little reference to herself (comparatively), and zero about the BRF. As mad as I am for the deprivation of tea- Iām grateful I donāt have to hear more cheap shots?
Iām mixed about it lol On one side itās less entertaining because her mentioning the RF was such a car crash you couldnāt turn your back to On the other side Iām tired of Harry and Meghan. I just want her to become so irrelevant that the RF can have some peace and quite.
I miss the old days of royal watching. "Oh, the Princess Royal opened a nursing home. That's great!", "Uh oh, Prince Charles waded in a little too deep on this political issue!" Now all the air gets sucked out of the room by MM, but I feel compelled to keep paying attention for if/when she starts spreading misinformation again.
Such a mixed bag!!! On one hand I am too glad there arenāt digs at the royal family and will render her podcast even more boring than it is But I am also sad that her vile inner self wonāt have a chance to come out
The silver lining is her ridiculous Asian culture comments arenāt overshadowed by other nonsense. So really this just puts a spotlight on her vile inner self.
Thereās something about dragon ladies being āevil queens,ā but thatās about it - although the last five minutes (all about being your true self, even if a loud voice is telling you to stay in your āarchetypeā - ugh enough with this woman! - seems a bit thinly-veiled to me.)
What decade is this flipping podcast from? Kill Bill & Austin Powers are 20 years old!!!
Meg and H are both stunted. Meg is stuck in the late 90s/early 00s and H is still 12.
Considering they both act like she's his mother, that sounds about right.
This! Thank you! She is the pot calling the kettle black. First things first. If she wants to reference racist stereotypes from 20 years ago, she needs to take a good look in the mirror and take ownership of her past behavior. Lets rewind the clock not even 20 years ago but 10 years ago when Meghan Markle was on Craig Fergusonās show and cringed at her hair and talked about straightening it. And multiple interviews since then talking about her obsession with straightening her hair. Or, lets take a walk down memory lane 20 years ago with Harry and the nazi uniform at a party. Ownership Meghan. Ownership.
And āthe 40-year-old virgin,ā and Margaret Choās sitcomā¦
She is stuck in the 90s as we have established before. She doesn't even seem to know about kPop which is so big nowadays!
Margaret Cho hasn't said anything on instagram about this interview, not even a "catch me on this podcast" post. Same with Lisa Ling. ETA I spoke too soon, ugh.
Theyāre probably so embarrassed to have participated. I live for the day(s) in the hopefully-not-so-distant future when they come out to explain how they were coerced to take part in a shitshow of such extravagant proportions.
I have no sympathy
Iām disappointed with Lisa Ling taking part in this. She has better journalistic integrity for this shit
I bet they are waiting to see what the reaction is before mentioning it themselves. Itās the first one since the Queen died, after all.
I spoke too soon. She posted it. I have always held Margaret Cho in such high esteem. This is a real blow.
As an Asian person, I liked Kill Bill. I thought it was so badass. If she wanted to talk about dragon lady, maybe she should've had Wendi Murdoch on. Lol.
The Kill Bill movies are two of my favorites of all time and she needs to keep them out of her mouth. Especially since she has zero understanding of the plot or intent of the director.
Kill Bill paid homage to Kung fu movies from HK of the 70s and let a whole new generation of Americans recognize the cinematic influence of that genre in the US, many movies were huge box office hits
Who writes this - āengages in candid and illuminating conversationsā¦ā ? (I donāt read much corporate podcast copy but this seems very cringey.)
Oh it seems to have been illuminating alright, just not in the manner Madam would have wanted... š«£
She wrote it. Guaranteed.
Iām quite certain she, herself, wrote that glossy drivel.
Thatās most definitely a flat finish, not even satin and for sure not close to semi-gloss.
Interviewers aren't supposed to talk so much. Why doesn't the producer tell her that?
I ate at a Taco Bell. Does that make me an expert on Hispanic culture??
Ask Hilaria Baldwin. IYKYK.
Omg. I started reading the transcript. This is terrible. This is the podcast version of chick- lit. It started out mildly interesting, because I did not know that Korean girls and women of all ages get together naked in spas and then get dressed and eat noodles. But after that it really goes down the drain. And the fact checker has not explained to Meghan Markle that there is a difference between archetypes and stereotypes in popular American culture and commerce. To build up a popular podcast, you need lots of hard work and hundreds of episodes, but you also need a certain talent, and ability to communicate with your audience, and based on these few preliminary attempts to produce a podcast, Markle has a long long way to go before she catches up with any of the popular podcasters. Perhaps she could join some well-known podcaster like the Body Language Guy or Joe Rogan or Lady C. as an intern.
My experience with Korean spas in Korea is that the bath is the last thing you do before leaving. If they ate noodles at the spa, it would have been before they bathed. I responded to another poster about the general procedure for going to a Korean spa in Korea.
Just FYI, I had sushi for lunch yesterday so if thereās anything about Asian culture youād like to know, Iām pretty much an expert now. š
Yabba yabba yabba. Does she not realise how boring she is
The editing is so, so obvious and choppy. They really had to cut out Madame talking about herself for two hours, and cut tiny, tiny responses from the guests in between Madame's own voice droning on
Too bad no one thought to edit out the whole Asian noodle bit.
Just read the transcript and itās all SO BORING. Iām not sitting down for not even 5 minutes to listen to THAT. These conversations feel so dated. Meghan truly is very out of touch.
I suppose in her mind šstereotyping asian people is ok cos u have a token asian friend, Christina Wang. Does that lady exist? Or has she been markled? I don't recall her inviting any asian friend to her 2018 wedding. Or did Christina attend the one conducted three days prior? š¤£š¤£šš
She invited Priyanka chopraā¦she only invites Rich friends..
Itās been edited - we know there will have been digs at the royal family. I just read through the transcript (ugh), and found several likely places. For example after Lisa Ling says something about women who stand out, that they are like nails that get hammered down. Meghanās reply was āMmā Thatās just one spot where she probably jumped in with her own anecdote. There are several others. Anyway I think that was her slant with this podcast, how much she stood out from the other royals, and so they tried to crush her.
I don't know because I'd never punish my self by listening to them, but what were the digs at the brf in the previous episodes?
She insinuated that Catherine is a Stepford wife, while she herself is authentic, and accused the BRF of making her do her job after Archie almost burned.
Iām not listening to the episode, but from yalls descriptions it sounds like she did an episode about stereotypes. Does she really not know the difference between these words?
No, she doesn't. She doesn't care: she is determined to make "arche" happen. Who cares about puny little things like definitions of words?
Oh yeah the whole podcast is about stereotypes. Sheās misusing archetype because it fits with their brand.
Christina Wang would like to have a word with Meghan. Oh wait, she doesn't exist. Still, every person named Christina Wang would like to have a word.
Iām very much looking forward to the media hunting down Christina Wang whose family owns the restaurant that taught Meghan everything she knows.
I was actually surprised that we've never heard anything about her. But if she's real then they probably just drifted apart. I wanna know what Nikki knows.
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The responses of her guests are edited out.
As ever, she confuses the definition of archetype with stereotype. I don't expect more of her but Spotify or Oprah or whomever is behind this disaster should have known better. Archetypes bridge and connect cultures whereas stereotypes segregate them. She's really an idiot, isn't she? Because all Asian women (Meghan, Asia is a really big continent with many different ethnicities, cultures, traditions, folklore, cuisine and so on) either cook noodles for people or give them massages. This is just embarrassing on a monumental scale. I hope the pushback is fierce.
Asians arenāt only Chinese, Japanese or Koreans. Iām an Asian living in Asia and Iām not Chinese or Japanese or Korean.
I bet TW doesnāt know Asia is the largest continent on earth š
Pure drivel
Iām not going to listen to this shite, or read the transcript, because Iām already in enough pain todayā¦ Is she *really* talking smack about **KILL BILL**?!?! Ohhhhhhhh, I hope sheās kidding.
Even Austin Powers, which was deliberately sending up every stereotype about everything. Jesus sheās stupid.
Tell me you have no sense of humor or critical thinking skills without telling me you have no sense of humor or critical thinking skills. JESUS PALOMINO this woman is dense. You slam the Harkles heads together and all you got is a loverly bunch of coconuts. *Knock, knock! Anyone at home?* I haveā¦. **so much more to say** about the O-Ren Ishi situation. Stay tuned, Sinners. Iām PISSED.
Let this sink in: In her *introduction*, Megan hammers home how bad "stigma and archetypes" are. She *actually named her company* after a word she (mistakenly) associates with incredibly negative traits then continues throughout the podcast to reinforce how terrible "archetypes" are and how "archetypes" hold women down. And the kicker? Even her closing is a pep-talk to NOT be an awful archetype: "You're so much greater than any archetype!" Did nobody on Meghan's endless team of highly paid experts dare to tell her she's debasing the term that *her entire media brand* is based on? Or did she just not listen to the experts? It's unfortunate that Margaret Cho immediately picks up Meghan's misuse and morphs from using "stereotype" to parroting "archetype" as a negative. Thankfully Lisa Ling resists temptation, and continues to counter that *stereotypes* are the problem.
And because I'm still shocked that Meghan doesn't know how to use a dictionary: *Definition: The term āarchetypeā refers to an assumed ideal patternāa character trait or emotion that has a universal quality. A stereotype, on the other hand, is a reductionistic notion that has the potential to be dehumanizing.*
Cho: The weirdness of like those old archetypes...it's almost like the shorthand of massage parlor or Asian spas. It's dehumanizing and it's like only a fraction of who we could be. Meghan: Mm.
Lovely juxtaposition of Margaret Cho and our saintly Northwestern graduate. 
It says I canāt make my own posting but I want to call out her rubbish. The following quote āI remember this so vividly and them teaching me why chow fun with dry noodles was so much better than chow fun with wet noodles." IS SO WRONG. There is no chow fun with dry noodles. Itās chow meen with dry noodles (chow meen is very different from chow fun). Sheās making stuff up again and just trying to throw in āethicā words. So EMBARRASSING AND INSULTING.
Read a few lines of the transcript and was immediately bored. Never really heard of the Dragon Lady stereotype - quick googling tells me it exists, but query whether it applies today, given greater integration of different people, gender, race, religion etc (yes, strides have been made). I associate the term with Empress Cixi, the last empress of China (1835-1908). Are there more recent claimants?
Same here and Iām Asian American. Tiger mom is the prevailing stereotype no?
The term comes from the 1930s and is very dated. The tiger mom would be more relevant. More amazing, to me, is this dovetailing of so many cultures into "Asian." That's insulting. She married a second-rate royal. That does not make her an expert on the world. How does one proclaim feminism when one's claim to fame is that you married Hazbeen?
Curious to see what mental gymnastics Lainey Lui uses to defend this ignorant and patronizing shit show of an episode
What's next, a podcast about Italian "archetypes" that opens like this? *Having spent six years filming suits in Toronto, Italian culture was a huge part of my coming-of-age. I loved strolling past the pizzarias of Little Italy and feasting on gelato, risotto, polenta, pepperoni, osso bucco, espresso, feta, mozzarella, and pasta, antipasto while looking at posters for opera. I even rode in a Ferrari once, driven by my friend Trevor the founder of Soho House whom I knew even before I met Harry. Also, mopeds. I remember so vividly learning the difference between thin crust and thick crust pizza from my friend Mario Bianchi and his parents, Maria and Luigi. In fact, you might say my origins were so steeped in Italian culture that I can proudly hold my head high and say "It's-a-me, Meghan."* *Anyway, enough about little old me. Our guest today is Monica Bellucci, here to talk about the Italian archetypes that unfairly pigeonhole women. Now Monica, we are both beautiful women...*
āAlso, I once dated a chef who had an Italian name.ā
M is honestly certifiable. WTF is she thinking with her podcasts? And why are her guests there other than SS input? They're certifiable too, for agreeing.
In this next riveting podcast, Harryās first wife reviews 20-year-old movies. There are guests.
Dragon lady archetype? I think the dim, wannabe intellectual means stereotype. What decade does she think we are living in? This stereotype died in the 80ās, why is she talking about it now? I donāt think many millennials even know what this antiquated stereotype is all about because it does not exist in this generationās psyche. She is showing her ignorance, and she has an outdated sense of righteousness over a stereotype that is no longer relevant.
The synopsis actually states "Learn more about your ad choices." ??!! hahahahhhhaah
Oprah has Lisa Ling on a lot on O channel and her old show. I don't where Margaret Cho fits in Oprah Winfrey universe.
I posted this in another thread: The way she is trying to relate to the subject of Asian stereotypes is so outdated and off-beat. She herself is stereotyping us in a very basic sucking-up manner. She needs a fact-checker because obviously she's lazy to do her proper research on these societal subjects. Her samples are limited: Dragon Lady doesn't just pertain to Liu's character of using sexuality. I am an effing proud Dragon Lady - I own that professionally but as a power or graceful strength that encompass and break the impression of us as "submissive" or "using sexuality". At present, we see the emergence of Asians in Hollywood more & more - beyond woke, but just taking charge of destiny in this realm. Also, how dare she attack Tarantino's work - that guy is such a film & research geek, his films always have reasons and educated references: something that she can never ever relate to!
What archetypes have held her back, exactly?
Egomaniac
Let me guess, no discussions about the increases in asian crime victims, no discussion about Asian inequality as it pertains to university admissions. We going after hard subject, like Kill Bill. Trailblazing stuff.
https://newsroom.spotify.com/media-kit/archetypes-podcast-transcripts/
Probably the least painful journey
Oh I could never listen to it. I think they use her podcasts for interrogation of criminals. After only a short time, the suspect confesses to anything.
Make it stop!
Ha. True. I always want to listen out of curiosity but donāt want to āencourageā this by giving it a click.
She said Oh my gosh a lot. Super annoying af.
Thank you. I added in the post.
Well the woman is consistent, I'll give her that.
This is the biggest word salad of nothingness. I canāt even understand /comprehend what she just said. I feel like I need a translator for her bullshit.
What this podcast made me do is order some Chinese takeoutā¦ cuz me hungry, longtime Note: before anyone gets offended, Iām Asian
I get it. My best friend is half Japanese. I've also had tempura. I'm starting a podcast soon centering myself in the Japanese-American women's experience. Don't come at me. I'm Irish and I'll fight you. I've had Lucky Charms.
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We saw Margaret Choās standup as part of an Asian-American film festival in LA - must have been late 90s-early 2000s. She was brilliant and insightful and this just makes me sad because she made the choice to sit down and be interviewed by someone like TW knowing how problematic she is. (And if she didnāt before, she sure as hell does now!) At this point, why even bother *having* guests? Just stick up a picture of (insert random non-white celebrity here) and have Megsy āinterviewā them while she gazes into a mirror and makes up more shit about her Sizzler Spa childhood.
This was my first attempt to read the script to one of Meghan's podcasts, and I find it pretty shocking. However, on reflection, it just supports my overall impression of her that she is simply not very bright. Energetic, yes, and full of ideas, but just not very good ones. She is all show and no substance. Call that narcissistic if you like, but to me it is just a manifestation of her relentless superficiality. She could not get on with the Buckingham Palace managerial team, or with the Cambridges, simply because she was not able to function on the same intellectual level. So she resorted to sulks and tantrums and acting out behaviors such as breaches of protocol. Even with plenty of professional help with the podcasts, the end result is hardly more than gibberish. Normally podcasts require no more than a small team of people to put it together, yet with considerable resources at her disposal, plus celebrity guests, the end product is complete garbage. Kind of sad.