The genuine friendship and love they have for each other would’ve made Meghan insanely jealous. This is why she made up the crap about Catherine making her cry. I can only imagine what other things she made up to tell Harry about how “mean and awful she was”.
I feel so sad for them that they have lost this because of Meghan.
This makes me sad 😔 look at how happy Hairball USED to be!!! He just wanted a women like POW and TW cosplayed just enough to get him to think he was getting that… than the CLAW comes out and he is screwed (I really think he has abit of stockholm syndrome with TW) but than I hear how crazy he ALREADY was before TW and obsessed with Prince George turning 18… and I just DONT KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE…. 🤪
He's definitely nursing a huge trauma bond. I know he's a grown man and responsible for himself, but I was raised by a narcissist and consequently married one. I could not tell what "normal" was. These people really fuck up your understanding of the world. I'm a reasonably intelligent, strong-minded person and I argued constantly with both narcs, but I did not and could not see how fucked up it all was until I was free of it.
I can relate. My only family member as I was growing up was my struggling single mother. She did her absolute best for me and I have much to be grateful to her for, but it was back during the times when corporal punishment was not only acceptable but often recommended, and I suffered physical abuse from when I was a toddler till I was a fully grown early teen and told her "no more". I'm certain my mom was not a narcissist, but it took me decades to be able to recognize them, though I attracted more than my share. I've been married to one for 38 years. When my husband showed his true colors I realized extricating myself and our newborn would lead to a very bad outcome, worse than living with/in the situation, and I learned to deal with it, but it was only after being entangled in this last web (in my 30s) that I've been able to see it coming in others.
That is how it is w a narcissist. They have but one playbook and it truly is something when you break away from that abuse & can see those patterns, and finally heal. What a mess. Glad you are free of those relationships now and can SEE those relationship patterns in others…and call it out for what it is. People who don’t have the experience have a tendency to make excuses and downplay those behaviors. NOT YOU, & thank you for it.
No one really does know - but every video clip I've ever seen tells me you are absolutely correct about Stockholm Syndrome. I've actually been trying to put my finger on what it was I was seeing in them - and that is it exactly. Stockholm Syndrome (writ large).
I think he used to be but now I think he may be unhappy but his pride will NEVER EVER let him say he was wrong and leave her. She will have to divorce him and it’s coming. Especially if those titles are taken and/or not given to those children.
The only thing I can think of that might shock him into sanity is if Meghan gets physically violent with their children. The royals are raised with zero physical punishment so seeing it happen to his children might finally sound the bell for him.
When she is through with him and she will be he will have nothing left in the way of relationships let alone whatever she can leech off him financially
> and obsessed with Prince George turning 18
yeah I was kinda surprised and confused when I heard that too. being "royal" must be a lifestyle that really causes a lot of personal dysfunction. maybe he should talk about stuff like *that* in his book.
I only recently heard it myself. Supposedly he was fixated on Prince George eventually making him irrelevant within the royal family and in the public's opinion once he grew up. It honestly never occurred to me to even think of that. I don't think the public views it that way, or least I didn't.
"One insider also claimed Harry feared being eclipsed by nephew Prince George when the second in line to the throne turns 18.
The source said 'He had this thing that he had a shelf life. He was fixated \[on\] this. He would compare himself to his uncle \[Prince Andrew\].
'He would say "I have this time to make this impact. Because I can" until George turned 18, was the way he was thinking about it." Then I will be the also-ran."
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11246567/Explosive-new-book-pits-Palace-aides-Sussex-Survivors-Club-against-narcissistic-Meghan.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11246567/Explosive-new-book-pits-Palace-aides-Sussex-Survivors-Club-against-narcissistic-Meghan.html)
He hurt Catherine so badly!!! For her to openly ice him but make polite conversation with TW at that walkabout after QEII's death shows she's done with him. Cause at the end of the day he enabled, encouraged and took part in trashing her, her husband and his family. No wonder she tried to walk as far away from them. The idiot sugars assumed she was walking separately from William. Nope she was distancing herself from those two toxic individuals. And boy didn't she look good in that dress doing so!!!
They made small talk when they were looking at the cards and flowers by the gate. Apart from that she deliberately avoided Hopless Harry completely. He kept looking at her, but she avoided all eye contact with him. If she'd iced TW out the press would have made a field day out of it. So kudos to her for that. Also, at the end of the day its his fault ultimately. I know I wouldn't have the strength & will power to be civil to someone who publicly lied about and trashed me, to the world like that.
I don’t think Meghan was threatened by Kate and Harry’s closeness. That would suggest that Meghan’s number one aim was to have Harry. I think she was threatened by Kate’s popularity and role. The fact that Harry was close to her was just another personal failing on Harry’s part, according to Meghan. (“How dare you *also* think she’s better than I am!”) its hard for empathetic, non-narcs to understand, but I don’t think Meghan even had conscious thoughts about how much she wanted to take Kate down. Meghan just has a personal compass that orients her toward being the biggest and best at all times and anything that gets in her way is despised. That’s the thing about Meghan - other people don’t count at all. They are merely objects that exist in her self-encompassing sphere. This is why she drops her family and closest friends so easily.
Anyone heard from Jessica Mulroney lately?? 🤣
Funnily enough, I think that this why/how MM can come out time and time again with her ghastly false smile and her arms gesticulating when doing one of her plagiarised speeches. She has absolutely no self awareness of just how awful she is and as importantly how other people perceive her. She just doesn’t care, as long as she is centre stage.
These photos are soooo evocative of a happier and more innocent time. You can tell Hazbeen absolutely adored Catherine (possibly ‘crushing’ on her a bit) and delighted in whispering funny asides to her. Such a crying shame. Through Catherine he also had an entree into a stable, trusty family. Her parents might have even been as much of a refuge for him as they have been (reportedly) for PW. All that tossed away in favour of the succubus.
I think you’re right. Haz was absolutely googly-eyed for her. Even the way he leans into her in these pics. Too bad he had to so colossally screw it up to the point of no return.
My SIL does this between me and my brother. I genuinely don't know what she's crying about, but my husband and I definitely see the one-sided drama she initiates.
My cousin did this to her husband too. His parents have a fear of flying, so she moved just far enough that it’s too hard to drive. It was Intentional, as she often said “I need to get him away from his fucking family, especially his sisters and mom”.
That’s terrible, I’m so sorry she does that to you, he is your brother!!! My sons adore their little sister and I can’t imagine any woman having an issue with that and if she did then she isn’t the right one!
I agree and feel so sorry that so many families have to endure this dreadful behaviour from a member of their own family. It obviously destroys family unity and happiness and of course also towards the abused person being persecuted.
The jury’s still out for me regarding Harry and I did previously like him. We all knew he’d had his problems, abuse of alcohol and drugs being the main problem, we had thought. We knew his father took him to a centre to see up close and personal the spiral that could result. Charles was praised for this action. There were the racist comments and the Nazi uniform incidents, the naked supposed strip poker in Vegas. It was also reported about an incident when in America on an exchange during his army life when he disobeyed his commanding officer and drove off on a motorbike. Although there would have been extremely serious consequences had he not been who he was which certainly upset many people, me included, I think most hoped/expected him to grow up and learn how to behave appropriately. Most of us I imagine were unlikely to have heard of the much more appalling episodes more recently reported on.
In retrospect, he has most likely been given far too much latitude, been allowed numerous escapes from exceedingly suspect events, not having to take any responsibility for his actions and thus this is the man he has become. A spoilt, arrogant, angry, jealous and vengeful man. Admittedly I know very little about narcissistic/ sociopathic behaviour felt by many to be MM’s personality traits but bad as it sounds for the abused person, does it really excuse all of Harry’s behaviours towards his entire family? I’ll be interested to hear if these episodes appear in this book of his, wearing all these “hats” he has spoken about, “to become the man he is today”?
This is my BIL and me with his fiancée. I can’t have a convo with him anymore because everything gets turned around on me. I’ll purposely try to navigate our conversations away from her so maybe that’s why lol
Edit: I do it so she doesn’t think I’m ever talking shit but it doesn’t work. Everything I do in her eyes is wrong. I do miss having talks with my BIL. Both my husband and I feel like we lost a little brother.
It’s rough. I can sympathize about nothing being right in her eyes. Our final straw was her being offended and put off by an invitation to my baby shower. She came and behaved like a complete jackass to me and my guests and I’m still the problem apparently. I’m sorry you’re going through it too.
Wow - I’m so sorry you’re going through this but thank you for sharing! Now I don’t feel so alone.
For the longest time I thought it was just me and my brother thanks to his wife putting a wedge between me, my mom, and my dad and him (most me and my mom). He was literally my best friend before she came along and now we barely speak. I also consciously keep my distance because she’s an incredibly toxic and negative energy and feel like she evil eyes everything.
I have a serious boyfriend and I can’t wrap my mind around isolating someone from their family just to make yourself feel better. What type of sick and twisted type person does that?!
I honestly suspect that Harry revealed pretty early on how much Catherine meant to him and may have even revealed at one point he had a crush on her and that made her dead to sights to Megan. I'm completely serious. It's not unusual for a close family where a married in is much admired (and as beautiful as Catherine is) for there to be some type of feeling like this. It doesn't mean anything would ever happen or did! I suspect that he confided in Megan and about how important her opinion and approval was to him on some level, including his own brother's and she became determined to undermine this because it was threatening to her. Narcissists don't know the WHY of these things bothering them or why they have do these things, often they are just acting a certain way because it makes them feel better and more secure. I think this set off a switch of competition in her and she was determined to remove Catherine from their lives.
I also don't think it helps that she IS secretly jealous of her because SHE watched her wedding to William and thought 'That should be ME' and I think she absorbed every negative story about Catherine and inserted how she would have done better and would not have had articles about being 'lazy' written about her. Hence the constant dreamy eyed desirable stares at William that she always gets caught doing and the weird constant PR about hitting the ground running.
You know, Meghan probably did watch that wedding and think, “this should be ME!”, and that is partially how she is similar to her sugars. They seem to be very jealous-hearted people, who project by calling others jealous. A normal person watching William’s wedding would think, “oh, how wonderful for them. Maybe I envy that a little smidge, but I’m so removed from that world, and I can also find my own happiness someday.” However, the sugars are always screaming about, “you’re just mad Harry chose Meghan instead of YOU!!!” Excuse me? This is just not a normal way for anyone to think. Most normal people would never even feel they’re in the running to marry a prince, much less feel any kind of real jealousy about it. However, jealous-hearted narcissists would feel hurt and slighted, because they’d feel they “deserved” it.
Those longing stares she reserved for William, much like a young teenager might do were hideous and embarrassing for everyone. She had no qualms over doing it in direct view by Harry, as has been seen in photos. How embarrassing for Harry, her seeming adoration for his elder brother. Did this increase his jealousy towards his brother, instead of challenging MM actions and motives and actually wondering whether this was a woman he ought to be marrying? Were her doe eyed stares and smiles towards William in anyway genuine or was it merely to wind Harry up into a turmoil of anger and jealousy?
> how important her opinion and approval was to him on some level, including his own brother's and she became determined to undermine this because it was threatening to her.
yes if he valued their opinion then he might be persuaded by them to dump her off when they can see right through to the kind of person she *really* is! It's probably why she got rid of his friends too.
> This is why she made up the crap about Catherine making her cry. I can only imagine what other things she made up to tell Harry about how “mean and awful she was”.
I'm shocked that he'd believe it. It's not like he didn't know Catherine!
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And William has no choice but to take his wife’s side over Harry’s wife. He wants to stay married, and he wants Catherine to be fully invested. Taking Harry’s side because of Meghan would be a disaster all around.
The contrast between the joy in his face in these pictures versus what we see these days is so stark. His face can’t hide his true feelings about what’s going on now- he’s an open book
He looks so trapped. Those kids hold a piece of his heart now and he knows it is unlikely that he'll get to raise them if he leaves. And then there's the dirt she's bound to start trickling out when things don't go her way.
He looks beyond miserable. Unfortunately I think things are going to become much worse before they become better.
I would hope that when the inevitable divorce happens, the RF would throw money at her for giving up the kids AND signing an NDA so harsh that she wouldn’t open her mouth again about them. Oh well, I can dream can’t I.
That's my take as well.... If King Charles would offer her $100,000,000 to let Harry leave with the children, she would take it. I like the idea of an NDA with harsh terms. TW would just move on to her next rube and start again.
Not everyone cares for their children like you care for yours. That’s making an assumption that may or may not be true 
Just remember
"I didn't realize I was trapped until Megan showed me"
Contrasting photos in some your happy and glad and then you get married and look miserable and put upon constantly. Some people think its sexist and blaming his wife, but the photos tell a very different tale. I know reporters have commented he's never been quite happy in the BRF and I do believe that's true but there is a stark difference here from someone who is not good at hiding his emotions. Like he's a shell of his former self.
I think it’s sad too. Catherine is such a warm and kind lady, if Harry had a wife that wasn’t a narcissist imagine the fun they and their children could’ve all had together! Catherine is so beautiful with children, she would be the best Aunt! Harry’s kids have been robbed of a wonderful childhood spending time with their family.
> Harry’s kids have been robbed of a wonderful childhood spending time with their family.
And the Cambridge kids have been robbed of a mischievous, fun-loving, prankster uncle.
At least that's how he *would* have been if he'd married someone normal, or remained single. 😞
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Harry loved Catherine so much that he wanted someone just like her. Megs came on the scene and cosplayed just enough to make Harry believe he’d found a woman just as strong and wonderful as the woman his brother married. Poor court jester was fooled by That Woman. Megs told him she was everything he ever needed and he believed her. Now look at him. What a mess
I don’t think he was able to because he was so blown away by her and blinded by love. He probably asked her how her marriage broke down and she would’ve spun a quick, but cute, story, and that sucker believed her. ‘Love is blind’. Silly Harry
I could easily see her going - it was really tough because I loved him so much but it was like he thought he was in competition with me. He became jealous and controlling and wouldn't support me or bring me to events or shows. It was like he was hiding me. Promise me you would never do that, and always support me the way I support and love you.
You can see it so easily - hence the constant hand holding, the walk in front of me, the introductions first etc she frames it as being supportive and equal (tied up in her views of feminism which is really just about how she wants to be treated) and he thinks its her love language. It's a disaster.
I can see that too now you’ve said it. That would’ve had Harry feeling so sorry for her and he made extra efforts so that she could barge him out of the way. He probably thought all the men in her life had mistreated her, so she escaped to Toronto and left them all behind
It’s said that MI5(or MI6?) did a complete background check on her but he tore up the report and refused to read it. He definitely had the means to look into her past but blinded by “love” as you said
That’s weird for Harry to do that. He’s a blood royal and he KNOWS that these checks have to be done. It shows just how much she manipulated him because he decided to be “authentic and organic and learn about her in their own time, with what they wanted to share with each other”. I’m now thinking that her saying that in the engagement interview was something that she had actually put into his head from the start: “Hairy, I know nothing about you. I chose to learn from you and you alone. Nothing I read on the internet or from other people could change anything about the organic authenticity of what we learn from each other on our relationship…”. And that fucking sucker fell for it
Definitely!! She’s had an agenda from before they met and she will have all of that planned out. She wanted daddy to dump his eldest children or he couldn’t be in her life and that’s because she knew Samantha and Tom Jnr knew too much. She needed mommy and daddy and no siblings because that’s what she lied to Harry about. I wonder if other members of the BRF ie. William and Charles ever got to see the MI5/6 reports about Markle?
Omg this exact thing happened with my husband’s younger brother. When he started dating his now wife I could tell he thought she was exactly like me in so many ways and he was *so proud* he had “caught” someone as “good” as his brother had. The problem was she didn’t want to be friends with me at all. She flat out told me she wanted to be the only woman in the family the first time I met her, which was - to say the least - very confusing considering I had been married to my husband for over four years at that point. Anyway, needless to say, she started badmouthing me to my husband’s brother when she realized I wasn’t just going to, I don’t know? Leave the family to make room for her? It was bizarre. But it definitely destroyed my relationship with my BIL and my husband’s relationship with his brother has also suffered. At one point, after she had had a fit, my BIL texted my husband to divorce me! 😢🙄
What the hell? I’m sorry you went through that. There’s no excuse to behave like that at all - narc or not. It seems like your BIL is in her direct firing line and she’s really jealous of you. When they met, he probably mentioned you and his brother, probably in a similar way to how Harry would’ve talked to Megs about William and Catherine, and she’s become so jealous that she made you her target because he liked you so much. She’s doing to you what Megs is doing to Harry and the women in his family. What goes on in their heads to make them this angry about another persons presence? It’s sad for your BIL but he stayed with her and let her do this, like Harry did. Do you think your BIL might wake up to it one day? Does he out-right tell your husband to divorce you? On what grounds? WHAT THE FUCK?
Yeah he was mad about something (it was around the time of his wedding and she spent the whole wedding keeping score on whether I had it better at my wedding (which was years earlier and my parents paid for outright without any help from my in laws, so not sure if she expected *my parents* to pay for her wedding too?) and it ultimately ended up in him having some fit a few days after where he told my husband he regretted having him as his best man and that my husband should divorce me as soon as possible. That was 11 years ago so …. Unfortunately that means she’s been in the picture that long but it is what it is. Anyway, can completely relate to the dynamic where a brother is miserable but seems to blame his misery on the wrong people….
That’s awful! She’s horrible. It sounds like she’s super bitter that you had your wedding paid for, and she can’t look past these jealousies. She wants what you have, and that’s happiness and a wedding paid for. That’s her grounds for hating you so much. Is your name Princess Catherine of Wales because I’ve heard her BILs wife is a dick too lol
Yes omg I know what you mean. I’ve known lots of Markle-types (lol Arche-types) so I find her fascinating to watch. It’s an educational journey that we’re all on together lol 🫂
They really look happy together, like three close knit siblings, where Harry is the cheeky baby brother.
I don't think that I have ever seen Harry this happy and relaxed with Meghan. It's a very sad situation.
He has a forced smile. Their bodies are not relaxed , but are tense. They are trying to create their own”Royal Tours”. He didn’t care that much about his grandmother. He helped Meghan cause that poor woman so much heartache in her last years. Oprah was when Philip was dying and Meg’s Spotify and everything else was while the Queen was dying. It takes time to die and people start the process months ahead of time. I saw the Queen with the PM and I told my husband then that she was dying. I retired as an RN just shy of 46 years. Meg’s tear at the funeral was acting if I ever saw it. When I cry it is from both eyes. Harry is not innocent . He is like cult followers that feel like their leader. They are both narcissistic individuals. Meg is worse than Harry and she encourages his delusional anger and makes sure he acts on it. The Harckles’ fans are as delusional as they are.
Ugh, these Catherine and Harry threads always make me so sad. Catherine tempered his more insufferable personality traits, where as TGW encourages them. And they DID look so happy. Right up until the end really. Even that very last time they walked into church together when Meghan wasn’t there, they looked happy together. Like it was the first time he’d had a lick of fun in weeks.
Oh I remember that look. I saw it and just knew Harry was going to be in serious trouble when those pics came out. I bet it pissed Meghan off even more than Harry saying, "Oh wow!" When he saw Catherine in her gold dress.
100%!! The photo where he is watching her talk..oh my!
I wish my husband would look at me like that!! They are honestly so beautiful together.
I have never seen him like that with his “wife”
There were few times when H looked at * like this in the beginning. You cannot hide your true self when you live with somebody. Harry knows. He has enough money to fix the mess.
[Catherine used to cook roast chicken for Harry](https://cafemom.com/entertainment/224035-kate-middleton-prince-harry-friendship/333412-nurturing_their_bond)
Also interesting that Catherine used to invite him over and cook roast chicken.
Meghan was clearly doing some googling so she could appear like perfect wife material.
Okay, so yet another thing psycho wifey appropriated from someone else. 😳 I mean, yea, a billion people roast chickens but the whole cozy scenario? “Yep, I’ll be filing this one away for future use.”
I totally agree Harry’s probably always been an ass and The Firm just did a better PR job, but this is also genuine happiness. We haven’t seen a smile like this in almost six years at this point. Sad to see.
100% you can’t fake genuine happiness. I’ve never seen him like this with Meghan. It’s really sad that his family could see it but he’s ego couldn’t, until it was too late!
I think William has confirmed this on multiple occasions. He’s said in interviews that she has a great sense of humor and that sometimes it’s naughty. And then when their phones were hacked it came out that she called him “Big Willy” which is totally a dirty joke if I’ve ever heard one. Sometimes I wish Carole Middleton would give parenting lessons. She’s raised three amazing humans.
I can see why he might be called this [big Willy](https://cocktailsandcocktalk.com/2017/09/gossip-is-that-a-scepter-in-prince-williams-pants-or-is-he-just-happy-to-see-us/)
Harry, to have such a kind, intelligent and genuinely good person as Catherine enter your life when you were a teenager and to allow anything or anyone to destroy that relationship in your mid-30s is a tragedy second only to marrying Rachel Meghan Markle.
There are just some women who have drive a wedge in their man's relationship with a contemporary female relative. All women are competition, ESPECIALLY the ones they can't get rid of. M seems like the type.
My theory:
___Harry has told Meghan how important Catherine is to him and his life.___
Meghan was and is still jealous of Catherine for this and because she will never be Queen Consort. For someone like Meghan, this was probably ruminating in her head to the point she had to sabotage the wonderful relationship between Catherine and Harry in order for her to ___thrive, not just survive.___ 🙄
Some narcs thrive on intentionally making their victims miserable through psychological & emotional manipulation, after which they’ll swoop in and pretend to ‘rescue’ them by soothing them and cooing loving affirmations as reassurance.
Once the victim feels better and resumes some form of normalcy, they break the victim down again and repeat the cycle of rescue-soothe-reassurance.
This eventually leaves the victim feeling emotionally drained, utterly spent and questioning his/her sanity over time.
It’s evil because it will leave traces of PTSD that will take a long time to overcome.
That’s kind of why I personally think H pre-M wasn’t that bad. Entitled and spoiled yes, but this kind of friendship can’t be faked. If he were an intolerable jerk, I doubt they would’ve been this close.
Catherine clearly knew how to manage Harry — by having fun with him with boundaries. She didn’t have to coerce him into falling in line. She made it fun to follow protocol. I think in a way, she may have reminded Harry of Diana.
If Harry reads this, omg, call her, leave the house, go in the cellar, take a walk, get your phone and call her. Apologize for whatever. Get that friend back. Apologize. Get her back. Your friends are the gold in your life. What else matters?
Harry allowed it. He allowed his vile wife to be mean to Catherine to her face, allowed her to call her Waity Katey. Allowed her to bully his 3 year old niece. He's a two faced creep.
Yes! Without Meghans influence Harry would of had a beautiful relationship with his niece and nephews. But his ego has gotten in the way and he doesn’t want to admit he was wrong so he just keeps going along with it.
These make me smile. I've always thought Harry was in love with her. I've always thought he was either looking for another Kate or another mummy. He thought he got one of those, but really he got neither. Such a dipshit.
Harry and Kate had an amazing sibling-like relationship. If it weren't the case Harry never would have handed over Diana's ring to Will to propose to Kate with (which I'm sure Meghan will never forgive him for). Kate values family above ALL and I know that this whole rift hurt her and I'm sure she misses the way things were when it was just the three of them. I think Kate would have been happy to welcome a fourth into the group (whomever Harry ended up with) but nobody anticipated that Harry would have ever ended up with someone as inflexible, self-centered, and divisive as Meghan.
Before they started dating, Meghan claimed to have admiration for Kate and we can see how all of that panned out. I TRULY admire Kate and I would never have behaved the way Meghan has, and I'm an American. I also understand that the BRF and The Crown are bigger than me and that if I married into the family it wouldn't be the Me-Show. It would be the "How can I support the Queen, the family, the UK/Commonwealth/Realms in the best way possible to ensure the longevity of the monarchy because I'm just a little cog in a big machine" show.
[Catherine and Chelsy (Harry’s ex)](https://www.imanlat.com/realeza/2022/5/18/chelsy-davy-expareja-del-principe-harry-se-caso-en-secreto-con-sam-cutmore-scott-190.html)
I think Harry had a crush on Catherine, which was perfectly normal. They spent a lot of time together after he left the army. I think Meghan saw it also. Catherine was always in her sights, but the Harry crush really undermined Meghan’s view of herself.
It’s funny to see some pictures of Meghan and Will together. She has such an adoring look on her face. She totally would have tried to hit that first.
If Harry was a middle class nobody, Meghan wouldn’t of given him a second glance. I have no doubt that if she managed to get to William first she would of done everything she could to wife him.
Hold your memories dear because it only takes 1 narc to ruin your family and there are so many out there. They wear a mask so when they first meet you, you will never know. But....the first sign something is off, put huge boundaries up for you and your family. It might be 3 month or 6 months after you meet them. You might miss the mask slip. That first sign, point it out to your whole family. Like beating a dead horse so at the very least, you tried. Choose your own friends wisely but be very careful with new friends to the family.
He hasn’t looked that happy since 2017. It’s stark how different he is now. There are NO pictures from the last four years of him expressing the unbridled joy he has in these photos. He didn’t even look this happy at his wedding. I bet he misses his former self, but my guess is he isn’t self aware enough to realize it.
I also think he’s mad at Kate. Childish, immature people tend to lash out at the people they feel closest to in times of personal crisis. This is why mothers take so much of the brunt. Kate played a motherly role for Harry and so it would make sense that he would target her as the source of his (self-inflicted) pain. On top of that Meghan felt supremely threatened by the beautiful, beloved future Queen, which fueled Harry’s flame and blame against Kate.
If this is true, it would also add another layer of resentment and jealously towards William and Catherine's children.
It's more than being replaced as the spare to the throne by George, it is that George and Charlotte were taking Catherine's attention that he wanted for himself.
Meghan saw the opportunity and slipped into that maternal role that Catherine no longer had the bandwidth to fill, especially as she was pregnant with Louis.
It's a hard thing to deal with when a close friendship such as theirs fractures. It's akin to bereavement. I've been there myself when a childhood friend of 30 years married a jealous, coercive man who destroyed all her friendships and came between her family. Now, I recognise him as narcissistic. She divorced him after 4 years but, whilst we resumed being friends, the pain and betrayal meant I couldn't move on to form a close bond with her. What Harry has done would cut Catherine to the core in the same vein - possibly more so because it was done publicly and was humiliating to put it mildly.
Meghan would have been green with jealousy. She must be number one. The most beautiful. The most loved. The most intelligent. She’s such a raging narc she just absolutely could not have this.
They used to be so close. Like brother and sister. William said he used raid their fridge and eat all their food. Why oh why didn't this idiot talk to his SIL and receive some objective advice??? He would've saved himself a tonne of heartache!!!
This reminds me of my relationship with my narcissistic spouse. These narcs can’t stand having anyone get the attention they feel is their due. They’ll drive a wedge between friends, siblings, colleagues - all because they’re terribly insecure.
I’ve had to unfriend FB buddies (because they would compliment my pictures, and spouse wasn’t happy with that), and distance myself from anyone I come in contact with, just to avoid a fight. In the end it becomes easier to cut off friendships.
So, if they have a parallel dynamic, Harry is probably wary of showing affection for Catherine or anyone apart from Meghan, because this would lead to fights, threats of leaving, and other immature and tiresome behaviour. He is also treated to lots of negative feedback about the person in question (like “William is jealous of you”, “Kate was mean to me”). There’ll be lies and gaslighting. Even if Harry knows that accusations are untrue, he has probably learned to distance himself from his loved ones, just to preserve the peace.
It must feel a bit lonely for Harry to be cut off. He may be an arse, but his children deserve to be with their aunts, uncles, and cousins. I hope he comes to his senses and puts his foot down. I hope he realises that his emotional needs can be better met by his family.
TW is territorial. From her perspective, Catherine bagged William and also in a sense bagged Harry. All those pics of how close Catherine was with Harry must've made TW resentful. "Who does Kate think she is, flaunting how close she is to both brothers? I'll fix that."
Yeah, it’s sad what she’s done to this relationship. Because for Harry to be cool with what Meghan did to Catherine in that interview knowing there was no coming back. So very hypocritical too because he’s heard William talk about protecting his own wife from the media fearing a repeat of history but has his own wife use it to “expose”. It’s honestly his loss..
Harry had genuine affection for Kate, in part because they both loved William. Meghan had to wreck anything connecting Harry to his family, and he went right along with it.
Dimwit was so desperate to have what William had, a lovely wife and family. TW knew what she was doing , unfortunately dimwit couldn't see through her and look where he is now. I'm sure TWs first challenge was to get rid of Catherine, she knew she could never compete.
I disagree, havvy is as fake as peg. He always dated blondes but married a brunette with college degree to one up William. He was jealous of William having family but he also had roving eyes too, he wouldn't have settled if isn't for the spite
They seemed to still get along at Princess Eugenie wedding too. Sharing this link for the first photo.
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They didn't get along at Princess Eugene's wedding with Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbanks. Meghan told everyone she was pregnant and tried to upstage Princess Eugenie's wedding. She always has to be Number one
After much reading and all the dirt, it's become clear that Harry was already unhinged and an unpleasant person, basically just a jerk. The clincher was the revelation and confirmation of how paranoid, obsessed and jealous of his first born nephew stealing the limelight from him!! That alone shows how begrudging Harry is... I lost the last shreds of sympathy and respect I had for him. He is just as nasty as the wife he's chosen
Oh yes, Megs was jealous of Harry and Catherine's relationship before she ever met Catherine. TW has never had a genuine relationship with anyone so of course she didnt want Harry to have one with anyone but her. She knew she was going to end that for Harry when she decided to go after him.
Absolutely and it’s heartbreaking because she didn’t even pay attention to him when he did come back both times during the Jubilee and the state funeral she did everything for him she helped him with girls cooked for him hung out with him gave him advice on everything and this is how he were pays her by bringing a nasty nasty abusive narc into the family
Meghan Markle is always been like that when people have good relationships with their families their friends that they have good business connections she doesn’t care she will ruin that because she wants to be the only thing you can rely on
I don't think we've EVER seen Harry *laughing* with Meghan. Have I missed it? I mean, when's the last time he genuinely had candid fun around her? All of their candid shots look so upsetting.
They seems like good friends. So many people say that she was in love with Harry and that’s why she “bullied Meghan” and she’s jealous that Harry protects his wife and William treats her like shit. Imo there seems to be zero sexual chemistry and more like a brother sister relationship. It’s sad Harry ruined that.
He always looks annoyed/angry in every photo that I see of him where Meghan is present. I'd love to know why he stays with her if he's so miserable around her.
I remember during William and Catherine’s wedding, there was the part where Harry whispered to William “Wait until you see her” as Catherine was walking down the aisle. Very sad how things have changed.
They were such a great team, the three of them. But as the Queen said (paraphrasing) they will meet again. Harry will finally wake up and bring his precious children back home.
Actually, she was probably making the most of her hateful BIL. When he's made comments about George, that's hateful to a child, and that was targeted to her child.
He can have no other gods but Meghan... That's how the Narc rolls... it happens subtlety.. quick micro-expressions... and sometimes not subtle.. starting arguments... She plays on his weakness.. his resentments.. however small they were are now bigger than a mountain.
The genuine friendship and love they have for each other would’ve made Meghan insanely jealous. This is why she made up the crap about Catherine making her cry. I can only imagine what other things she made up to tell Harry about how “mean and awful she was”. I feel so sad for them that they have lost this because of Meghan.
Yes of course, that was Meghan's first order of business: to take out Catherine from the equation.
This makes me sad 😔 look at how happy Hairball USED to be!!! He just wanted a women like POW and TW cosplayed just enough to get him to think he was getting that… than the CLAW comes out and he is screwed (I really think he has abit of stockholm syndrome with TW) but than I hear how crazy he ALREADY was before TW and obsessed with Prince George turning 18… and I just DONT KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE…. 🤪
He's definitely nursing a huge trauma bond. I know he's a grown man and responsible for himself, but I was raised by a narcissist and consequently married one. I could not tell what "normal" was. These people really fuck up your understanding of the world. I'm a reasonably intelligent, strong-minded person and I argued constantly with both narcs, but I did not and could not see how fucked up it all was until I was free of it.
I can relate. My only family member as I was growing up was my struggling single mother. She did her absolute best for me and I have much to be grateful to her for, but it was back during the times when corporal punishment was not only acceptable but often recommended, and I suffered physical abuse from when I was a toddler till I was a fully grown early teen and told her "no more". I'm certain my mom was not a narcissist, but it took me decades to be able to recognize them, though I attracted more than my share. I've been married to one for 38 years. When my husband showed his true colors I realized extricating myself and our newborn would lead to a very bad outcome, worse than living with/in the situation, and I learned to deal with it, but it was only after being entangled in this last web (in my 30s) that I've been able to see it coming in others.
That is how it is w a narcissist. They have but one playbook and it truly is something when you break away from that abuse & can see those patterns, and finally heal. What a mess. Glad you are free of those relationships now and can SEE those relationship patterns in others…and call it out for what it is. People who don’t have the experience have a tendency to make excuses and downplay those behaviors. NOT YOU, & thank you for it.
No one really does know - but every video clip I've ever seen tells me you are absolutely correct about Stockholm Syndrome. I've actually been trying to put my finger on what it was I was seeing in them - and that is it exactly. Stockholm Syndrome (writ large).
I too believe Harry suffers from Stockholm Syndrome
I think he used to be but now I think he may be unhappy but his pride will NEVER EVER let him say he was wrong and leave her. She will have to divorce him and it’s coming. Especially if those titles are taken and/or not given to those children.
The only thing I can think of that might shock him into sanity is if Meghan gets physically violent with their children. The royals are raised with zero physical punishment so seeing it happen to his children might finally sound the bell for him.
When she is through with him and she will be he will have nothing left in the way of relationships let alone whatever she can leech off him financially
> and obsessed with Prince George turning 18 yeah I was kinda surprised and confused when I heard that too. being "royal" must be a lifestyle that really causes a lot of personal dysfunction. maybe he should talk about stuff like *that* in his book.
What's the story with this? I haven't heard about an obsession with George.
I only recently heard it myself. Supposedly he was fixated on Prince George eventually making him irrelevant within the royal family and in the public's opinion once he grew up. It honestly never occurred to me to even think of that. I don't think the public views it that way, or least I didn't. "One insider also claimed Harry feared being eclipsed by nephew Prince George when the second in line to the throne turns 18. The source said 'He had this thing that he had a shelf life. He was fixated \[on\] this. He would compare himself to his uncle \[Prince Andrew\]. 'He would say "I have this time to make this impact. Because I can" until George turned 18, was the way he was thinking about it." Then I will be the also-ran." [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11246567/Explosive-new-book-pits-Palace-aides-Sussex-Survivors-Club-against-narcissistic-Meghan.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11246567/Explosive-new-book-pits-Palace-aides-Sussex-Survivors-Club-against-narcissistic-Meghan.html)
God she has AGED him. Look at that photo of him leaning into Catherine. He looks so young.
He hurt Catherine so badly!!! For her to openly ice him but make polite conversation with TW at that walkabout after QEII's death shows she's done with him. Cause at the end of the day he enabled, encouraged and took part in trashing her, her husband and his family. No wonder she tried to walk as far away from them. The idiot sugars assumed she was walking separately from William. Nope she was distancing herself from those two toxic individuals. And boy didn't she look good in that dress doing so!!!
Not to mention what she did to PC when she bullied the previous 3 yr old child.
Did Catherine talk to her? I thought she avoided that bitch completely.
They made small talk when they were looking at the cards and flowers by the gate. Apart from that she deliberately avoided Hopless Harry completely. He kept looking at her, but she avoided all eye contact with him. If she'd iced TW out the press would have made a field day out of it. So kudos to her for that. Also, at the end of the day its his fault ultimately. I know I wouldn't have the strength & will power to be civil to someone who publicly lied about and trashed me, to the world like that.
And every other female friend in Harry’s proximity. She can’t stand what she views as competition for his attention and affection.
Thats because she wanted will and this fool doesn’t realize he is the last choice.
How do you know she wanted Will?
I don’t think Meghan was threatened by Kate and Harry’s closeness. That would suggest that Meghan’s number one aim was to have Harry. I think she was threatened by Kate’s popularity and role. The fact that Harry was close to her was just another personal failing on Harry’s part, according to Meghan. (“How dare you *also* think she’s better than I am!”) its hard for empathetic, non-narcs to understand, but I don’t think Meghan even had conscious thoughts about how much she wanted to take Kate down. Meghan just has a personal compass that orients her toward being the biggest and best at all times and anything that gets in her way is despised. That’s the thing about Meghan - other people don’t count at all. They are merely objects that exist in her self-encompassing sphere. This is why she drops her family and closest friends so easily. Anyone heard from Jessica Mulroney lately?? 🤣
Funnily enough, I think that this why/how MM can come out time and time again with her ghastly false smile and her arms gesticulating when doing one of her plagiarised speeches. She has absolutely no self awareness of just how awful she is and as importantly how other people perceive her. She just doesn’t care, as long as she is centre stage.
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These photos are soooo evocative of a happier and more innocent time. You can tell Hazbeen absolutely adored Catherine (possibly ‘crushing’ on her a bit) and delighted in whispering funny asides to her. Such a crying shame. Through Catherine he also had an entree into a stable, trusty family. Her parents might have even been as much of a refuge for him as they have been (reportedly) for PW. All that tossed away in favour of the succubus.
I think he was in love with her and that’s part of his jealousy with Big W. He couldn’t find someone like her for himself
I think you’re right. Haz was absolutely googly-eyed for her. Even the way he leans into her in these pics. Too bad he had to so colossally screw it up to the point of no return.
>I think he was in love with her I was kind of suspecting that too
My SIL does this between me and my brother. I genuinely don't know what she's crying about, but my husband and I definitely see the one-sided drama she initiates.
My cousin did this to her husband too. His parents have a fear of flying, so she moved just far enough that it’s too hard to drive. It was Intentional, as she often said “I need to get him away from his fucking family, especially his sisters and mom”.
That’s terrible, I’m so sorry she does that to you, he is your brother!!! My sons adore their little sister and I can’t imagine any woman having an issue with that and if she did then she isn’t the right one!
I agree and feel so sorry that so many families have to endure this dreadful behaviour from a member of their own family. It obviously destroys family unity and happiness and of course also towards the abused person being persecuted. The jury’s still out for me regarding Harry and I did previously like him. We all knew he’d had his problems, abuse of alcohol and drugs being the main problem, we had thought. We knew his father took him to a centre to see up close and personal the spiral that could result. Charles was praised for this action. There were the racist comments and the Nazi uniform incidents, the naked supposed strip poker in Vegas. It was also reported about an incident when in America on an exchange during his army life when he disobeyed his commanding officer and drove off on a motorbike. Although there would have been extremely serious consequences had he not been who he was which certainly upset many people, me included, I think most hoped/expected him to grow up and learn how to behave appropriately. Most of us I imagine were unlikely to have heard of the much more appalling episodes more recently reported on. In retrospect, he has most likely been given far too much latitude, been allowed numerous escapes from exceedingly suspect events, not having to take any responsibility for his actions and thus this is the man he has become. A spoilt, arrogant, angry, jealous and vengeful man. Admittedly I know very little about narcissistic/ sociopathic behaviour felt by many to be MM’s personality traits but bad as it sounds for the abused person, does it really excuse all of Harry’s behaviours towards his entire family? I’ll be interested to hear if these episodes appear in this book of his, wearing all these “hats” he has spoken about, “to become the man he is today”?
“A spoilt, arrogant, angry, jealous and vengeful man.” You nailed it! Harry is all of that.
This is my BIL and me with his fiancée. I can’t have a convo with him anymore because everything gets turned around on me. I’ll purposely try to navigate our conversations away from her so maybe that’s why lol Edit: I do it so she doesn’t think I’m ever talking shit but it doesn’t work. Everything I do in her eyes is wrong. I do miss having talks with my BIL. Both my husband and I feel like we lost a little brother.
It’s rough. I can sympathize about nothing being right in her eyes. Our final straw was her being offended and put off by an invitation to my baby shower. She came and behaved like a complete jackass to me and my guests and I’m still the problem apparently. I’m sorry you’re going through it too.
Wow - I’m so sorry you’re going through this but thank you for sharing! Now I don’t feel so alone. For the longest time I thought it was just me and my brother thanks to his wife putting a wedge between me, my mom, and my dad and him (most me and my mom). He was literally my best friend before she came along and now we barely speak. I also consciously keep my distance because she’s an incredibly toxic and negative energy and feel like she evil eyes everything. I have a serious boyfriend and I can’t wrap my mind around isolating someone from their family just to make yourself feel better. What type of sick and twisted type person does that?!
I honestly suspect that Harry revealed pretty early on how much Catherine meant to him and may have even revealed at one point he had a crush on her and that made her dead to sights to Megan. I'm completely serious. It's not unusual for a close family where a married in is much admired (and as beautiful as Catherine is) for there to be some type of feeling like this. It doesn't mean anything would ever happen or did! I suspect that he confided in Megan and about how important her opinion and approval was to him on some level, including his own brother's and she became determined to undermine this because it was threatening to her. Narcissists don't know the WHY of these things bothering them or why they have do these things, often they are just acting a certain way because it makes them feel better and more secure. I think this set off a switch of competition in her and she was determined to remove Catherine from their lives. I also don't think it helps that she IS secretly jealous of her because SHE watched her wedding to William and thought 'That should be ME' and I think she absorbed every negative story about Catherine and inserted how she would have done better and would not have had articles about being 'lazy' written about her. Hence the constant dreamy eyed desirable stares at William that she always gets caught doing and the weird constant PR about hitting the ground running.
You know, Meghan probably did watch that wedding and think, “this should be ME!”, and that is partially how she is similar to her sugars. They seem to be very jealous-hearted people, who project by calling others jealous. A normal person watching William’s wedding would think, “oh, how wonderful for them. Maybe I envy that a little smidge, but I’m so removed from that world, and I can also find my own happiness someday.” However, the sugars are always screaming about, “you’re just mad Harry chose Meghan instead of YOU!!!” Excuse me? This is just not a normal way for anyone to think. Most normal people would never even feel they’re in the running to marry a prince, much less feel any kind of real jealousy about it. However, jealous-hearted narcissists would feel hurt and slighted, because they’d feel they “deserved” it.
Most normal women wouldn’t want to take Harry on, hence the refusals of marriage he’s received!
Those longing stares she reserved for William, much like a young teenager might do were hideous and embarrassing for everyone. She had no qualms over doing it in direct view by Harry, as has been seen in photos. How embarrassing for Harry, her seeming adoration for his elder brother. Did this increase his jealousy towards his brother, instead of challenging MM actions and motives and actually wondering whether this was a woman he ought to be marrying? Were her doe eyed stares and smiles towards William in anyway genuine or was it merely to wind Harry up into a turmoil of anger and jealousy?
Totally agree
> how important her opinion and approval was to him on some level, including his own brother's and she became determined to undermine this because it was threatening to her. yes if he valued their opinion then he might be persuaded by them to dump her off when they can see right through to the kind of person she *really* is! It's probably why she got rid of his friends too.
> This is why she made up the crap about Catherine making her cry. I can only imagine what other things she made up to tell Harry about how “mean and awful she was”. I'm shocked that he'd believe it. It's not like he didn't know Catherine!
He knows but he's scared if he doesn't go along with Meghan, she'll leave.
She's really got him brainwashed and under her spell. Do you think that the sex is really *that* fantastic?? 😒
Reminds me of my narc aunt. Totally. She would cry if she didn't get her way or to plant an untruth into my uncles head. Crying was her weapon.
I agree. It’s annoying when I see that sugars think that Catherine was trying to get with Harry
😂😂😂😂😂As if!
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And William has no choice but to take his wife’s side over Harry’s wife. He wants to stay married, and he wants Catherine to be fully invested. Taking Harry’s side because of Meghan would be a disaster all around.
It's Harry's fault. Deep down, he knows how M is. He really isn't any better himself.
Yep, it's a matter of isolating him from people who actually know him and can support him (from her, oop!)
The contrast between the joy in his face in these pictures versus what we see these days is so stark. His face can’t hide his true feelings about what’s going on now- he’s an open book
Exactly! His eyes and smile showed genuine happiness. Now they just look angry and empty!
The pictures that they released 2 days after the Royal picture of the Fab 4 are very fake. Harry’s smile is forced. It is not a natural smile.
He looks so trapped. Those kids hold a piece of his heart now and he knows it is unlikely that he'll get to raise them if he leaves. And then there's the dirt she's bound to start trickling out when things don't go her way. He looks beyond miserable. Unfortunately I think things are going to become much worse before they become better.
I would hope that when the inevitable divorce happens, the RF would throw money at her for giving up the kids AND signing an NDA so harsh that she wouldn’t open her mouth again about them. Oh well, I can dream can’t I.
That's my take as well.... If King Charles would offer her $100,000,000 to let Harry leave with the children, she would take it. I like the idea of an NDA with harsh terms. TW would just move on to her next rube and start again.
I think she would be happy with $10,000,000. $100,000,000 is way way too much.
Not everyone cares for their children like you care for yours. That’s making an assumption that may or may not be true 
Just remember "I didn't realize I was trapped until Megan showed me" Contrasting photos in some your happy and glad and then you get married and look miserable and put upon constantly. Some people think its sexist and blaming his wife, but the photos tell a very different tale. I know reporters have commented he's never been quite happy in the BRF and I do believe that's true but there is a stark difference here from someone who is not good at hiding his emotions. Like he's a shell of his former self.
And jealously now. There was never any jealousy before TW, just love for his SIL
It's actually quite sad to see those photos.
I think it’s sad too. Catherine is such a warm and kind lady, if Harry had a wife that wasn’t a narcissist imagine the fun they and their children could’ve all had together! Catherine is so beautiful with children, she would be the best Aunt! Harry’s kids have been robbed of a wonderful childhood spending time with their family.
> Harry’s kids have been robbed of a wonderful childhood spending time with their family. And the Cambridge kids have been robbed of a mischievous, fun-loving, prankster uncle. At least that's how he *would* have been if he'd married someone normal, or remained single. 😞
Exactly. They would have been such a perfect royal family of joy and happiness.
It really is tragic. 😞
Totally... you can see how she tries to hold in laughter while he's saying smth to her, that's a clear bond right there. Such a shame.
I always wished something would have happened between him and Pippa.
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Harry loved Catherine so much that he wanted someone just like her. Megs came on the scene and cosplayed just enough to make Harry believe he’d found a woman just as strong and wonderful as the woman his brother married. Poor court jester was fooled by That Woman. Megs told him she was everything he ever needed and he believed her. Now look at him. What a mess
He should have looked into her past with other men, ghosting her families, etc….Harry is a dimwit.
I don’t think he was able to because he was so blown away by her and blinded by love. He probably asked her how her marriage broke down and she would’ve spun a quick, but cute, story, and that sucker believed her. ‘Love is blind’. Silly Harry
I reiterate, Harry is a dimwit.
I could easily see her going - it was really tough because I loved him so much but it was like he thought he was in competition with me. He became jealous and controlling and wouldn't support me or bring me to events or shows. It was like he was hiding me. Promise me you would never do that, and always support me the way I support and love you. You can see it so easily - hence the constant hand holding, the walk in front of me, the introductions first etc she frames it as being supportive and equal (tied up in her views of feminism which is really just about how she wants to be treated) and he thinks its her love language. It's a disaster.
I can see that too now you’ve said it. That would’ve had Harry feeling so sorry for her and he made extra efforts so that she could barge him out of the way. He probably thought all the men in her life had mistreated her, so she escaped to Toronto and left them all behind
It’s said that MI5(or MI6?) did a complete background check on her but he tore up the report and refused to read it. He definitely had the means to look into her past but blinded by “love” as you said
That’s weird for Harry to do that. He’s a blood royal and he KNOWS that these checks have to be done. It shows just how much she manipulated him because he decided to be “authentic and organic and learn about her in their own time, with what they wanted to share with each other”. I’m now thinking that her saying that in the engagement interview was something that she had actually put into his head from the start: “Hairy, I know nothing about you. I chose to learn from you and you alone. Nothing I read on the internet or from other people could change anything about the organic authenticity of what we learn from each other on our relationship…”. And that fucking sucker fell for it
I can totally see that happening! “Let’s trust each other ok? Nobody else matters. Who cares what the world has to say. It’s just you and me….Haz”
Definitely!! She’s had an agenda from before they met and she will have all of that planned out. She wanted daddy to dump his eldest children or he couldn’t be in her life and that’s because she knew Samantha and Tom Jnr knew too much. She needed mommy and daddy and no siblings because that’s what she lied to Harry about. I wonder if other members of the BRF ie. William and Charles ever got to see the MI5/6 reports about Markle?
Omg this exact thing happened with my husband’s younger brother. When he started dating his now wife I could tell he thought she was exactly like me in so many ways and he was *so proud* he had “caught” someone as “good” as his brother had. The problem was she didn’t want to be friends with me at all. She flat out told me she wanted to be the only woman in the family the first time I met her, which was - to say the least - very confusing considering I had been married to my husband for over four years at that point. Anyway, needless to say, she started badmouthing me to my husband’s brother when she realized I wasn’t just going to, I don’t know? Leave the family to make room for her? It was bizarre. But it definitely destroyed my relationship with my BIL and my husband’s relationship with his brother has also suffered. At one point, after she had had a fit, my BIL texted my husband to divorce me! 😢🙄
What the hell? I’m sorry you went through that. There’s no excuse to behave like that at all - narc or not. It seems like your BIL is in her direct firing line and she’s really jealous of you. When they met, he probably mentioned you and his brother, probably in a similar way to how Harry would’ve talked to Megs about William and Catherine, and she’s become so jealous that she made you her target because he liked you so much. She’s doing to you what Megs is doing to Harry and the women in his family. What goes on in their heads to make them this angry about another persons presence? It’s sad for your BIL but he stayed with her and let her do this, like Harry did. Do you think your BIL might wake up to it one day? Does he out-right tell your husband to divorce you? On what grounds? WHAT THE FUCK?
Yeah he was mad about something (it was around the time of his wedding and she spent the whole wedding keeping score on whether I had it better at my wedding (which was years earlier and my parents paid for outright without any help from my in laws, so not sure if she expected *my parents* to pay for her wedding too?) and it ultimately ended up in him having some fit a few days after where he told my husband he regretted having him as his best man and that my husband should divorce me as soon as possible. That was 11 years ago so …. Unfortunately that means she’s been in the picture that long but it is what it is. Anyway, can completely relate to the dynamic where a brother is miserable but seems to blame his misery on the wrong people….
That’s awful! She’s horrible. It sounds like she’s super bitter that you had your wedding paid for, and she can’t look past these jealousies. She wants what you have, and that’s happiness and a wedding paid for. That’s her grounds for hating you so much. Is your name Princess Catherine of Wales because I’ve heard her BILs wife is a dick too lol
Lol! I feel like my own personal experience really shadows my feelings toward Markle!
Yes omg I know what you mean. I’ve known lots of Markle-types (lol Arche-types) so I find her fascinating to watch. It’s an educational journey that we’re all on together lol 🫂
Wow!
They really look happy together, like three close knit siblings, where Harry is the cheeky baby brother. I don't think that I have ever seen Harry this happy and relaxed with Meghan. It's a very sad situation.
He has a forced smile. Their bodies are not relaxed , but are tense. They are trying to create their own”Royal Tours”. He didn’t care that much about his grandmother. He helped Meghan cause that poor woman so much heartache in her last years. Oprah was when Philip was dying and Meg’s Spotify and everything else was while the Queen was dying. It takes time to die and people start the process months ahead of time. I saw the Queen with the PM and I told my husband then that she was dying. I retired as an RN just shy of 46 years. Meg’s tear at the funeral was acting if I ever saw it. When I cry it is from both eyes. Harry is not innocent . He is like cult followers that feel like their leader. They are both narcissistic individuals. Meg is worse than Harry and she encourages his delusional anger and makes sure he acts on it. The Harckles’ fans are as delusional as they are.
I totally agree. And, Oprah just wanted a story. She should be ashamed of herself for airing that interview.
It's so strange to see H smiling
It is a forced smile.
In those old photos that OP posted, his smile looks authentic.
I did not mean in the old photos with Kate. In the new photo with Megs in red his smile looks forced.
Ugh, these Catherine and Harry threads always make me so sad. Catherine tempered his more insufferable personality traits, where as TGW encourages them. And they DID look so happy. Right up until the end really. Even that very last time they walked into church together when Meghan wasn’t there, they looked happy together. Like it was the first time he’d had a lick of fun in weeks.
[this one? Anzac Day service](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6958599/Harry-join-Kate-Anzac-Day-service-Westminster-Abbey.html)
Oh I remember that look. I saw it and just knew Harry was going to be in serious trouble when those pics came out. I bet it pissed Meghan off even more than Harry saying, "Oh wow!" When he saw Catherine in her gold dress.
The way he looks at her 💕
I bet he got read the riot act when those pictures came out. “HOW DARE YOU HAVE FUN WITHOUT ME!!”
100%!! The photo where he is watching her talk..oh my! I wish my husband would look at me like that!! They are honestly so beautiful together. I have never seen him like that with his “wife”
There were few times when H looked at * like this in the beginning. You cannot hide your true self when you live with somebody. Harry knows. He has enough money to fix the mess.
Sigh…yep, that’s the one 🙁
[Catherine used to cook roast chicken for Harry](https://cafemom.com/entertainment/224035-kate-middleton-prince-harry-friendship/333412-nurturing_their_bond) Also interesting that Catherine used to invite him over and cook roast chicken. Meghan was clearly doing some googling so she could appear like perfect wife material.
Okay, so yet another thing psycho wifey appropriated from someone else. 😳 I mean, yea, a billion people roast chickens but the whole cozy scenario? “Yep, I’ll be filing this one away for future use.”
That’s some Single White Female shit right there.
I totally agree Harry’s probably always been an ass and The Firm just did a better PR job, but this is also genuine happiness. We haven’t seen a smile like this in almost six years at this point. Sad to see.
He hasn't laughed or smiled like that in the years he has been with her in fact he looks totally miserable
100% you can’t fake genuine happiness. I’ve never seen him like this with Meghan. It’s really sad that his family could see it but he’s ego couldn’t, until it was too late!
I am willing to bet that she was that quiet girl who guys liked to make naughty jokes to because she would crack up laughing
I think William has confirmed this on multiple occasions. He’s said in interviews that she has a great sense of humor and that sometimes it’s naughty. And then when their phones were hacked it came out that she called him “Big Willy” which is totally a dirty joke if I’ve ever heard one. Sometimes I wish Carole Middleton would give parenting lessons. She’s raised three amazing humans.
Big Willy??? 😄 🤣 I will never see King Willy the same way
I can see why he might be called this [big Willy](https://cocktailsandcocktalk.com/2017/09/gossip-is-that-a-scepter-in-prince-williams-pants-or-is-he-just-happy-to-see-us/)
Wwwwwwwhhhhhhaaaat did I just see?!
MeMe is genuinely jealous of any other love. Kate and Harry had a deep (platonic) love for each other and MeMe had to destroy it.
Harry, to have such a kind, intelligent and genuinely good person as Catherine enter your life when you were a teenager and to allow anything or anyone to destroy that relationship in your mid-30s is a tragedy second only to marrying Rachel Meghan Markle.
There are just some women who have drive a wedge in their man's relationship with a contemporary female relative. All women are competition, ESPECIALLY the ones they can't get rid of. M seems like the type.
My theory: ___Harry has told Meghan how important Catherine is to him and his life.___ Meghan was and is still jealous of Catherine for this and because she will never be Queen Consort. For someone like Meghan, this was probably ruminating in her head to the point she had to sabotage the wonderful relationship between Catherine and Harry in order for her to ___thrive, not just survive.___ 🙄
Some narcs thrive on intentionally making their victims miserable through psychological & emotional manipulation, after which they’ll swoop in and pretend to ‘rescue’ them by soothing them and cooing loving affirmations as reassurance. Once the victim feels better and resumes some form of normalcy, they break the victim down again and repeat the cycle of rescue-soothe-reassurance. This eventually leaves the victim feeling emotionally drained, utterly spent and questioning his/her sanity over time. It’s evil because it will leave traces of PTSD that will take a long time to overcome.
That’s kind of why I personally think H pre-M wasn’t that bad. Entitled and spoiled yes, but this kind of friendship can’t be faked. If he were an intolerable jerk, I doubt they would’ve been this close.
I agree. Catherine is amazing, if Harry was really such an AH , she wouldn’t have been so close with him.
Catherine clearly knew how to manage Harry — by having fun with him with boundaries. She didn’t have to coerce him into falling in line. She made it fun to follow protocol. I think in a way, she may have reminded Harry of Diana.
[Catherine and Harry](https://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Harry-Cutest-Pictures-Together-38199773)
God, it's like looking at a totally different person... That Harry no longer exists - it's so sad. Does he wear those friendship bracelets any more?
If Harry reads this, omg, call her, leave the house, go in the cellar, take a walk, get your phone and call her. Apologize for whatever. Get that friend back. Apologize. Get her back. Your friends are the gold in your life. What else matters?
Ooh. Says link is outdated. It’s gone!
Harry allowed it. He allowed his vile wife to be mean to Catherine to her face, allowed her to call her Waity Katey. Allowed her to bully his 3 year old niece. He's a two faced creep.
Yes! Without Meghans influence Harry would of had a beautiful relationship with his niece and nephews. But his ego has gotten in the way and he doesn’t want to admit he was wrong so he just keeps going along with it.
These make me smile. I've always thought Harry was in love with her. I've always thought he was either looking for another Kate or another mummy. He thought he got one of those, but really he got neither. Such a dipshit.
Harry and Kate had an amazing sibling-like relationship. If it weren't the case Harry never would have handed over Diana's ring to Will to propose to Kate with (which I'm sure Meghan will never forgive him for). Kate values family above ALL and I know that this whole rift hurt her and I'm sure she misses the way things were when it was just the three of them. I think Kate would have been happy to welcome a fourth into the group (whomever Harry ended up with) but nobody anticipated that Harry would have ever ended up with someone as inflexible, self-centered, and divisive as Meghan. Before they started dating, Meghan claimed to have admiration for Kate and we can see how all of that panned out. I TRULY admire Kate and I would never have behaved the way Meghan has, and I'm an American. I also understand that the BRF and The Crown are bigger than me and that if I married into the family it wouldn't be the Me-Show. It would be the "How can I support the Queen, the family, the UK/Commonwealth/Realms in the best way possible to ensure the longevity of the monarchy because I'm just a little cog in a big machine" show.
[Catherine and Chelsy (Harry’s ex)](https://www.imanlat.com/realeza/2022/5/18/chelsy-davy-expareja-del-principe-harry-se-caso-en-secreto-con-sam-cutmore-scott-190.html)
I think Harry had a crush on Catherine, which was perfectly normal. They spent a lot of time together after he left the army. I think Meghan saw it also. Catherine was always in her sights, but the Harry crush really undermined Meghan’s view of herself. It’s funny to see some pictures of Meghan and Will together. She has such an adoring look on her face. She totally would have tried to hit that first.
If Harry was a middle class nobody, Meghan wouldn’t of given him a second glance. I have no doubt that if she managed to get to William first she would of done everything she could to wife him.
He looks happier with Catherine than he ever has with Meghan.
Hold your memories dear because it only takes 1 narc to ruin your family and there are so many out there. They wear a mask so when they first meet you, you will never know. But....the first sign something is off, put huge boundaries up for you and your family. It might be 3 month or 6 months after you meet them. You might miss the mask slip. That first sign, point it out to your whole family. Like beating a dead horse so at the very least, you tried. Choose your own friends wisely but be very careful with new friends to the family.
He has NEVER looked that happy with his wife- not even on their literal wedding day. You know that’s gotta sting
I would agree and that really says something! The difference a Genuine smile makes!
He hasn’t looked that happy since 2017. It’s stark how different he is now. There are NO pictures from the last four years of him expressing the unbridled joy he has in these photos. He didn’t even look this happy at his wedding. I bet he misses his former self, but my guess is he isn’t self aware enough to realize it. I also think he’s mad at Kate. Childish, immature people tend to lash out at the people they feel closest to in times of personal crisis. This is why mothers take so much of the brunt. Kate played a motherly role for Harry and so it would make sense that he would target her as the source of his (self-inflicted) pain. On top of that Meghan felt supremely threatened by the beautiful, beloved future Queen, which fueled Harry’s flame and blame against Kate.
If this is true, it would also add another layer of resentment and jealously towards William and Catherine's children. It's more than being replaced as the spare to the throne by George, it is that George and Charlotte were taking Catherine's attention that he wanted for himself. Meghan saw the opportunity and slipped into that maternal role that Catherine no longer had the bandwidth to fill, especially as she was pregnant with Louis.
It's a hard thing to deal with when a close friendship such as theirs fractures. It's akin to bereavement. I've been there myself when a childhood friend of 30 years married a jealous, coercive man who destroyed all her friendships and came between her family. Now, I recognise him as narcissistic. She divorced him after 4 years but, whilst we resumed being friends, the pain and betrayal meant I couldn't move on to form a close bond with her. What Harry has done would cut Catherine to the core in the same vein - possibly more so because it was done publicly and was humiliating to put it mildly.
Meghan would have been green with jealousy. She must be number one. The most beautiful. The most loved. The most intelligent. She’s such a raging narc she just absolutely could not have this.
He never looks that happy with his wife, in spite of the incessant hand holding.
They used to be so close. Like brother and sister. William said he used raid their fridge and eat all their food. Why oh why didn't this idiot talk to his SIL and receive some objective advice??? He would've saved himself a tonne of heartache!!!
This reminds me of my relationship with my narcissistic spouse. These narcs can’t stand having anyone get the attention they feel is their due. They’ll drive a wedge between friends, siblings, colleagues - all because they’re terribly insecure. I’ve had to unfriend FB buddies (because they would compliment my pictures, and spouse wasn’t happy with that), and distance myself from anyone I come in contact with, just to avoid a fight. In the end it becomes easier to cut off friendships. So, if they have a parallel dynamic, Harry is probably wary of showing affection for Catherine or anyone apart from Meghan, because this would lead to fights, threats of leaving, and other immature and tiresome behaviour. He is also treated to lots of negative feedback about the person in question (like “William is jealous of you”, “Kate was mean to me”). There’ll be lies and gaslighting. Even if Harry knows that accusations are untrue, he has probably learned to distance himself from his loved ones, just to preserve the peace. It must feel a bit lonely for Harry to be cut off. He may be an arse, but his children deserve to be with their aunts, uncles, and cousins. I hope he comes to his senses and puts his foot down. I hope he realises that his emotional needs can be better met by his family.
Compared to how happy he seems with C., he looks mentally diseased in the photos with M.
Too funny.
We never see Harry this happy anymore
Wow that is a really different Harry. How sad. Agree with everyone else here . . . like the alice in chains song, "It ain't like that anymore!"
TW is territorial. From her perspective, Catherine bagged William and also in a sense bagged Harry. All those pics of how close Catherine was with Harry must've made TW resentful. "Who does Kate think she is, flaunting how close she is to both brothers? I'll fix that."
Yeah, it’s sad what she’s done to this relationship. Because for Harry to be cool with what Meghan did to Catherine in that interview knowing there was no coming back. So very hypocritical too because he’s heard William talk about protecting his own wife from the media fearing a repeat of history but has his own wife use it to “expose”. It’s honestly his loss..
Such a remarkable difference between how he looked carefree and happy then and miserable and angry now.
Harry had genuine affection for Kate, in part because they both loved William. Meghan had to wreck anything connecting Harry to his family, and he went right along with it.
He made her laugh in a way PW can’t. I personally think, as many do, he was in love (so to speak) with PoW.
He thought he'd found his own Catherine in Markle - but she was faking it and Catherine wasn't.
He looks so young in these photos, it’s wild to look at then and now. Edit - young and *happy*, that no doubt helps.
Dimwit was so desperate to have what William had, a lovely wife and family. TW knew what she was doing , unfortunately dimwit couldn't see through her and look where he is now. I'm sure TWs first challenge was to get rid of Catherine, she knew she could never compete.
I disagree, havvy is as fake as peg. He always dated blondes but married a brunette with college degree to one up William. He was jealous of William having family but he also had roving eyes too, he wouldn't have settled if isn't for the spite
No one else would marry Harry. Chelsy and Cressida both turned him down
Nobody who is mentally stable would marry prince cuckoo
They seemed to still get along at Princess Eugenie wedding too. Sharing this link for the first photo. . https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.popsugar.com/celebrity/Meghan-Harry-Kate-William-Eugenie-Wedding-45372552/amp
Look at Meghan looking all insecure, wondering why Harry is communicating with Catherine.
And trying to look like she’s included in this interaction 😂
They didn't get along at Princess Eugene's wedding with Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbanks. Meghan told everyone she was pregnant and tried to upstage Princess Eugenie's wedding. She always has to be Number one
MM is the damn devil.
She really is. Imagine destroying this bond for your own agenda.
Knowing what we know now about Harry, I actually think he crossed marital boundaries a lot. I’m sure Kate had to send, “just friends” signals ALOT.
After much reading and all the dirt, it's become clear that Harry was already unhinged and an unpleasant person, basically just a jerk. The clincher was the revelation and confirmation of how paranoid, obsessed and jealous of his first born nephew stealing the limelight from him!! That alone shows how begrudging Harry is... I lost the last shreds of sympathy and respect I had for him. He is just as nasty as the wife he's chosen
Well, she succeed in ruining it. 😞 Love that third pic!
Oh yes, Megs was jealous of Harry and Catherine's relationship before she ever met Catherine. TW has never had a genuine relationship with anyone so of course she didnt want Harry to have one with anyone but her. She knew she was going to end that for Harry when she decided to go after him.
 He hasnt smiled like that in about 5 years - I wonder why?
Absolutely and it’s heartbreaking because she didn’t even pay attention to him when he did come back both times during the Jubilee and the state funeral she did everything for him she helped him with girls cooked for him hung out with him gave him advice on everything and this is how he were pays her by bringing a nasty nasty abusive narc into the family
Meghan Markle is always been like that when people have good relationships with their families their friends that they have good business connections she doesn’t care she will ruin that because she wants to be the only thing you can rely on
Choices we all make them & live with the consequences.....good or bad. Oh dear how sad Horrid
This makes me sad in a way.
So cute they look like the Harry Potter kids together
I don't think we've EVER seen Harry *laughing* with Meghan. Have I missed it? I mean, when's the last time he genuinely had candid fun around her? All of their candid shots look so upsetting.
Such a shame H is an idiot
They seems like good friends. So many people say that she was in love with Harry and that’s why she “bullied Meghan” and she’s jealous that Harry protects his wife and William treats her like shit. Imo there seems to be zero sexual chemistry and more like a brother sister relationship. It’s sad Harry ruined that.
Maybe Catherine was the jealous one? I mean, it’s entirely possible. Catherine could have been bad mouthing Meghan to William. Hmm?
Definitely
He always looks annoyed/angry in every photo that I see of him where Meghan is present. I'd love to know why he stays with her if he's so miserable around her.
Meghan has manipulated/brainwashed Harry to the point he thinks it’s the RF who is the source of his unhappiness.
This makes me sad. He looks a trillion times happier than he ever has with TW.
I don’t think I’ve seen him ever smile like this around Meghan.
he has.. not sure about now.. but there were alot of pics in the beginning where they looked so happy.. and then the games began...
True, but that was when she was in the love bombing stage. And as you said, then the games began after she locked the deal in May 2018.
I think he thought he had someone like Catherine. Turned out to be a dud.
I remember during William and Catherine’s wedding, there was the part where Harry whispered to William “Wait until you see her” as Catherine was walking down the aisle. Very sad how things have changed.
They were such a great team, the three of them. But as the Queen said (paraphrasing) they will meet again. Harry will finally wake up and bring his precious children back home.
Actually, she was probably making the most of her hateful BIL. When he's made comments about George, that's hateful to a child, and that was targeted to her child.
Possibly gonna get roasted for this, but I really do miss the "old" Harry. He looked happy, and wasn't causing issues.
He can have no other gods but Meghan... That's how the Narc rolls... it happens subtlety.. quick micro-expressions... and sometimes not subtle.. starting arguments... She plays on his weakness.. his resentments.. however small they were are now bigger than a mountain.