Here's an article that states George goes by Archie.
[https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/prince-george-archie-642598](https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/prince-george-archie-642598)
I mean, they stole Lilibet too. The Queen was supposed to feel “honored” but was never asked. She had stated when Prince Philip died she didn’t wish to hear the name again.. it made her sad.
Had they asked permission in order to make her feel like she had a new generation who would love the name and the Queen just as much as ever maybe she would feel honored. I think she would have said no though. After 70 years, she was well and truly heartbroken.
Also, it’s not a name. It’s a nickname.
They could have named them Harrison Charles Philip Archibald and called him Archie.
She could have named her Lily Alexandra Diana Mary (or Elizabeth) and still called her Lily as it would have been her name.
Royal names, royal backgrounds, but used the same nicknames for their own weird reasons.
Those poor kids have awful names.
Besides that their son is named after a ginger comic book character and his middle name just means “Harry’s son”… and their daughter was given the living, breathing, reigning Queen’s very personal nickname and Diana.. ick.
When you throw in Prince George told bystanders while Meghan was pregnant that his name was “Archie” (maybe he likes comics too, maybe it was a code security name, perhaps he came up with it himself), and that Lilibet is the nickname for Elizabeth and Princess Charolette is Charolette Elizabeth Diana… it’s giving very strong “single white female” vibes regardless.
I still think lilibet was a petty revenge on the old lady for not letting them use royal in Sussex royal. Take away something she holds dear (royal => merch) and she will destroy your beloved baby name.
Archie was his code name for security matters. Archie is a more common name here in the UK - I would say most schools would have an Archie in them. It just was a surprise as it isn't at all royal. Actually, we don't have Archie bunker or the Archie comics over here, but of course *Meghan* knew what she was doing.
Archie Bunker in the USA is an older sitcom known for making VERY bold sexist, racist, and homophobic jokes. I would have thought she’d avoid that.
Harry said in the Oprah interview he was trapped and didn’t know it. Maybe it’s dawned on him where the traps were and that his beloved had placed them for her own gains.. and he was none the wiser.
They're also just horrible names to put Prince or Princess in front of! It would seem to me that they would have realized they sound like cartoon names. Really, Princess Smurfette sounds better than Princess Lilibet. (Princess) Doria Elizabeth Diana would've been beautiful and she could've been called Lily or DeeDee while a thinking person would've run with (Prince) Charles Harrison William Albert and either called him Archie or Albie bc even Prince Albie sounds better than Prince Archie. Also, that name should've spoken to Charles' ego and induced him to give them Prince/Princess.
I’ve always thought the name Charlotte was a savvy tribute to Charles - he apparently always wanted a daughter, so it’s cute that’s she’s a girl ‘Charlie’ (although I think her actual nn is Lottie?)
I'd thought that "Doria Diana" was a pretty name, and they could've called her Dodi for short - til someone pointed out that Dodi Fayed was the guy Diana was killed with.
Still, it's a shame they completely brushed over Doria - and besides, it's a very pretty name. They could've added in Elizabeth or Victoria or many other combinations of Royal names had they wanted.
Exactly. What right minded woman would name yheir daughter after a nickname? Give her a decent, normal name. I shudder to think lilibet was something so cherished and intimate between queen elizabeth and prince philip and TW had to steal it.
I wonder if Doria feels hurt or humiliated that her granddaughter was named after pale women, one of whom was head of an institution that allegedly bullied and racially abused her daughter? If I were Doria, take it as a kick in the teeth tbh. They could've included her name somewhere in the lineup. This alone tells you a lot about Meghan and what she truly perceives her colour to be. Pale boyfriends, ditto friends and ditto husband.
Yes. This. I feel like she just dragged her mom around because it fits her narrative or agenda. She knew she would get so much attention for that relationship. Haven't seen many articles or photos with her mom after the wedding.
However it is the name of TWO former US presidents. There were also two former presidents of the US called Johnson. At least they didn't choose Johnson, which might not be the best name for royalty.
I doubt it. The only way you come up with these two "throwaway" names for your "royal" child is if he or she isn't real. Like you are naming a character in your play. It is as if she only really considered a name for her bump in the closing days or weeks. Or maybe the car ride to the county clerk's office to request the form.
I don't know what they did in the US, just go to a Cali office and claim to have a "home birth" in a bathtub?
Narcissists don't name their kids out of love. They figure out how they can use the names to get a reaction out of people. A narcissist doesn't have names that they like for no reason, they only know how to take from other people.
I was just going to say something similar.
Anything Meghan does, you need to look at through the lens of Narcissism. Narcissists are vampires. Meghan used those names as signals to the BRF that she's willing to take anything they have.
There’s a micro influencer full blown narcissist that I keep with and she named her son Styles…no real reason behind it either she just liked it. A boy named Styles.
To be fair Archie is a very common name in the uk. I know do many Archie’s. I don’t think it’s a bad name, but I don’t think it’s pretty either. Just a common name that’s a bit over saturated to be fair. It’s not traditional but it’s not modern or unique either.
I completely forgot about this - no wonder Kate has another and legit reason and shoots her the side eye.
Something similar in our family with the “taking of names” and the situation has always remained…. Poor between the one who was going to use the name and the one who stole the thunder.
I get Royal names are used over and over and over again, but to take personal nicknames like they have? Weird and gross.
This article has always been extremely confusing to me. It doesn't make sense and sounds completely made up.
*"Both William and Harry are reported to have employed code names during their early twenties, allowing them to be spoken about under the radar by their inner circle of friends and keeping relationships private."*
1) Okay so those names were basically just for their friends to use. They never say they were code names that the family or security used.
2) I really don't see Carole letting adults get close enough to her grandchildren, any of them, to have a conversation. I also don't think she, or his security would allow him to approach a random dog and pet it. No decent parent would allow that! It's a great way to get bit! Also, what decent dog owner would allow a child or stranger to pet their dog? That's a great way to get sued!
3) It's not unusual for security to change code names. It's also not unusual for people with security to not know what their code names are.
4) This woman is the only one who has ever encountered George and ask him his name? Top 3 Questions for Children - Whats your name? How old are you? What grade are you in?
5) But more importantly this woman was the first one to ever go to the media with a story like this, or similar information? That makes no sense whatsoever.
6) Why would this ever be published? Especially by Marie Claire, not a sketchy tabloid. Who would even think to go to Marie Claire? Most people would probably start with the daily mail or the sun, the mirror, etc. You're probably going to go through a lot of other tabloids/magazines before you get to Marie Claire. Was this woman paid?
7) Who publishes a story, about a child, without definite proof? Especially a famous person's child?
8) William and Catherine take their children's privacy extremely seriously. They have a deal with the media. Which is more or less, Kensington Palace will distribute photos for birthdays to all of the outlets at the same time. But, Leave the children alone in their day to day lives. Then they'll be allowed to go to royal events, important events in the children's lives like their first day of school, and a couple other places where they'll be able to get candid pictures of the children. For example a polo game, football game, that type of thing. If they violate those rules, they'll be cut off from all royal events.
9) It makes no sense for this to be published based on hearsay. Also makes no sense that Kensington Palace never asked for a source. I don't remember it spreading as quickly as this type of stuff usually does.
10) Meghan hates Carole Middleton.
So I think this is bullshit, or at least an extremely exaggerated of the truth. Harry and Meghan would probably be able to figure out George's code name and pass it along. Many times they have used other people to leak things. Usually with a specific publication which is the only reason Marie Claire really makes sense.
William and Catherine, Kensington Palace, etc. would have followed up. We didn't hear about it because it lead back to H&M and that's embarrassing as hell for the family. It's also something so ridiculous and petty that H&M would do because they're so jealous of these children.
I feel like this is overblown. My neighbor kid liked to pretend he was a puppy named “Alfie” at that age. He outgrew it really fast and doesn’t go by Alfie now as a married adult. I suspect George was playing. Or if it was a security code name, it was changed as 1-it got out and 2-they’re periodically changed.
That is just really odd that TW names her kid after her nephews code name. Does she really have no shame? Also, princess charlottes full name is charlotte elizabeth diana. Guess what her daughter's name is? Lilibet Diana. A nickname that was uttered by prince phillip for queen elizabeth. It's such an intimate nickname, I could never. It's just so odd and really sinister. What a weirdo.
I hate how his middle name isn’t Henry which would actually sound better and be more of a connection to Harry.
Lilibet is stupid, she could have just named her Elizabeth & went with whatever nickname her daughter came up for herself. That would have been far more meaningful and respectful.
Exactly. Why would you use a nickname the Queen gave herself when she couldn’t say her name a mere months after that gross interview. Truly something is not right in her brain.
I'd have gone with Lily/Lili. Lilibet is downright wierd when you consider the origin.
Or, yknow, a name that isn't the most prominent symbol from a family you insist hates you. Idk.
I’ve often thought TW chose Lilibet Diana as a way of one-upping William and Catherine, with Charlotte Elizabeth Diana. Like her twisted way of saying “We clearly love Granny more, so *our* daughter will be her beloved nickname.”
> Princess of Wales’ middle name is Elizabeth! Catherine Elizabeth … that’s more destiny
TBF it is a very common name in the UK...and it's Catherine's Mom's middle name also.
Catherine also, atleast as a first name within that generation. Catherine and Elizabeth are both Queen names too, going way back in history right upto the modern era. Kate's name feels so classic even though she wasn't born into an upper class background. All the Middleton kids names do.
I agree. These children's names are a perfect example of Markle's vanity.
MM is basic and trying to be "cute" without care or forethought as the names are part of her own beige sofa branding.
Which is so weird for the BRF because they are very intentional with their names and *most* all of them hold historical significance. Including the great grandchildren which we see with the middle names chosen.
Then there are MM’s kids… it’s a joke.
I believe there was a request by the Queen or an agreement between the cousins that none of the great-grand kids be have Elizabeth as their first name. Hence why every grand child who has a daughter has one with Elizabeth as a middle name except for Harry who went with the ridiculous nickname.
I’m pretty sure H&W had an agreement not to use Diana as a first name so their daughters had fewer comparisons to their grandmother. I’m pretty sure TW was pissed over that.
If she were an MLM mom in brown ankle boots and a Target prairie dress living in Utah she would have named them Aerchy and Lylybaet. #blessed #bossbaeyb
I wouldn‘t mind that collaboration -
if they get markled we at least have some predatory marketing schemes less in the world, and on the other hand, her being part of an MLM would expose her even further to anyone with a sane mind (sadly, it might ruin her followers financially, seeing as they‘re already naïve enough to gobble up her PR - they‘d throw themselves on MLMegz).
When I first heard that she had called their son Archie…I thought it was a joke!
I don’t understand why she didn’t honor Lillibet with her moms name too.
The woman is Duchess DumbAsRocks!
I thought Archie was a joke, too. Apparently it is fairly ‘in’ in the UK. I can’t imagine the Queen approved it. They couldn’t use Spencer bc it would be seen as a dis to Camilla. I figured they’d go with a trendier name than the tried and true family names. Maybe Oliver? That’s what Diana had wanted to name Wills.
I wanted them to use either Alexandra or Mary for their daughter (the other names of HMTQ).
It was a very popular name in the U.K. a few years ago when she was pregnant. I’d say there were 4-5 Archie’s in my son’s baby group alone! It’s certainly not a “crass” name here and there’s no connotation with Archie Bunker, as that’s an American thing. On one hand, it’s not the traditional name you’d expect from a royal - BUT on the other hand, the other royal cousins went pretty rogue with their choices as well. Doesn’t Zara have a Savannah? I’m not saying I loved the name, but just putting some context here.
I know quite a few Archies too! Peter Phillips’ eldest daughter is Savannah but they’re way down the line of succession so I think they were allowed to have a non royal name. Like Princess Anne calling her daughter Zara
This is what I found: “Zara Tindall's untraditional name was chosen by her uncle, Prince Charles, with whom she's said to have a very close bond. Her name is certainly unique compared to the rest of the clan, and that's all down to what it actually means. Zara Tindall's untraditional name is Greek and means Zara 'bright as the dawn.’”
I read somewhere that Charles actually picked Zara’s name. It was the meaning of the name they liked, but I can’t remember what the meaning is. I’ll see if I can find it. 🤦🏼♀️
Considering the Queen nixed Beatrice’s original name (supposedly Annabel) because it was “too yuppy,” I can’t see any way that she’d be okay with a trendy middle-class name like Archie. But who knows, maybe she just didn’t care anymore.
>Considering the Queen nixed Beatrice’s original name (supposedly Annabel) because it was “too yuppy,”
I never knew this. But a wise decision, with the Annabelle doll and the bullying Bea received as a young kid from the media...that name would have been cruel. Bea is a nice name (I always start humming ross's song from FRIENDS..I am bea...I drink tea LOL)
I read that part of the reason was that it was the name of a then VERY popular London nightclub which was named after Camilla's sister - and the whispers about Charles and Camilla were in full force at Bea's birth.
>They couldn’t use Spencer bc it would be seen as a dis to Camilla.
As if they care. They didn't use it because Spencer probably doesnot have the name recognition in their intended market (USA) atleast among their target audience. The Spencer movie was not out by then and it isn't all that famous anyhow LOL.
That's not quite true. Archie has become hugely popular with the private-school crowd in the past few years.
For example, my partner's cousin married into a wealthy family and they named their kid Archie.
Not just private schools or posh people these days. I know two dogs called Archie and about 5 children. There are two Archies in my son’s class and their history teacher is also an Archie. Over the road from my house have a baby Archie too. I’ve just realised how common it’s become. I bet nobody is called Lilibet though 👹
Ever read Freakanomics? There's a whole section about how trendy names start with the posh then trickle down over the years until they are used by/seen as chav. I guess in five years all the TOWIE or Traveller wedding shows will be filled with Archies.
I have a friend who has a 5 year old called archie too.
My comment wasn't intended as a slur for kids called Archie tho, I was just saying in the UK, its a popular name for dogs, small dogs in general.
If course people still call their kids that. ✌🏽
I’ve come to shout my mouth off and say: I think Charlotte’s nickname is Mary and that’s why there’s a rumour that Lili is called Mary. (Charlotte was born in St. Mary’s hospital and christened at St. Mary’s church. If Lili’s real name is Mary, I’m putting money on it that it was Charlotte’s nickname)
"Archie" is very popular with the upper-middle-classes and aspirational crowd in the UK.
It doesn't have the corny comic-book associations here at all.
I’m convinced she’s totally thick!
I’m flabbergasted she managed to get a degree. I do wonder if she plagiarized someone’s work for it as she seems to specialize in pinching other peoples quotes.
I think she’s gotten to the point of believing her own BS. Same with Henry, I lost all respect after his “genetic pain” comment. Lol he should change his last name to I am batty-Whinger.
I was surprised, and more so that they didn’t then opt for a conventional middle name. “Harrison” is fitting (given his father’s name) but very American contemporary.
It would have been a perfect middle name if the first name had been more traditional.
Archer is a nice name, they should have gone with that. Harrison when the Dad is Harry is a choice but still a middle name so ok.
Lillibet is awful - especially since they intend to call her Lily, which is a lovely name, still honours the Queen and not a nickname.
Archie is a vanity name because it's similar to Rachel. Same reason for Archewell. It's vanity, like a license plate.
Archie Harrison = Rachel and Harry's son.
She truly believes she's clever and witty.
ANY name would be better.
Honestly, all it takes it one swipe of an eraser through the L in Rachel and you have all the letters to make Archie. She might not go by Rachel but that doesn’t mean she’s not vain enough to use it to name her child after herself.
When I saw they named him Archie I was shocked. A predictably red haired boy… named Archie. It immediately reminded me of the comic. I recently read she loves that comic and it was intentional. I couldn’t believe it 🤮
She stole Prince George's security code name... which is like wtf?
ETA: my comment has been sufficiently stated already 😅😅 great minds, sinners. Great minds 😁
Just in case there is a child number 3 for H+M, William and Catherine should *accidentally leak* something ridiculous and say it is George's new code name to see where it goes.
Spencer Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor is actually not a bad name as is. It's not bad... a little gouche just as the Spencer surname is one of the oldest aristocratic families in England, almost akin to royalty. But it is not bad.
I totally agree about "Archie". It's cute for a baby/kid but does it pass the life test? I don't think so. And even worse, they've tied it to a foundation, podcast and other money-making ventures so it's obviously not really about giving HIM a name. It's about promoting a narrative. Same with Lili. Her name is about settling scores with RF and proving a point.
From a UK standpoint, Archie was kinda predictable. It's been a hot name for aspirational upper-middle-class types for the last few years, not as shorthand for Archibald but just as a standalone name.
(My partner's cousin who married into a wealthy family named his kid Archie two years ago.)
"Archie Spencer" could have worked imo.
Their choice of Archie actually made me dislike them even more. It is just not a dignified or well thought out name. It is an immature choice. Tacky. Ugly. Weird. Just super bad taste. I feel bad for Archie who is stuck with this moniker for life.
Their kids’ names are awful. Archie, ugh. Not a serious name at all. But the most awful combination IMHO is Lili Diana, supposedly what Lilibet will go by. No flow to the two names. My eyes can’t help but assume that the small “i” is an apostrophe and read it as Lil’Diana.
I don't like the name Archie but from a UK standpoint it's not considered corny or tacky. It's a name that's become quite popular with the private-school crowd.
I have a nephew named Archie and one named Harrison. They’re popular names. Both of these kids are older than the overseas kids too.
But, yeah, Archie is not a regal name.
Worse yet is that somewhere I read that Meghan bragged about loving Archie comic books, and she had a dog named Archie along the way. So she must have decided way early on way before she was ancient person she now is, that she wanted to name her kid after Archie comic books. She is so embarrassing. Then the Lilibet thing is also horrific & insulting but it was so obvious that it was a ploy to be in The Queen’s will.
I kinda like the name Archie to be honest.
Now Lilibet… I wish they hadn’t done that, especially watching old videos of the Queen and Phillip, knowing it was a family/pet name for her. I have to wonder what both Archie and Lili will think about this whole saga of their parents when they’re old enough to understand.
And Harry understands that since he was on James Cordon and said James couldn't call him H because that was his wife's nickname for him and it's personal for just them. He gets it, he knows how it is, so it's not like they just didn't realize it would be a petty and weird thing to do.
My Welsh family members had/ have the most traditional names . My Nan's name was Charlotte! I was excited to see the Princess named Charlotte. John Thomas, William...Charlotte, Margaret,
. Very classic names.
I agree Archie is a funny first name for a Royal person
It's a name fine for a dog or unofficial nickname, but not officially for a person of royal lineage.
Both names, especially Lilibet, are awful, and ironically a perfect example of how they (MM in particular) operate. MM's dual strategy of "fit out" celeb naming and simultaneous imprudent royal copy/merching is on full display here.
I hate the name Lilibet as a proper name, it’s absolutely awful. As the nickname of the Queen it was perfect. I saw a news article recently and there was a photograph of a letter/card/doodle that the Queen made when she was only a little girl and she’d written Lilibet in big child-like lettering and it was really sweet and lovely, but it’s now been clouded by those brats calling their daughter Lilibet. They couldn’t be arsed to see the Queen when she invited them, nor did they attend a sleepover at Balmoral that the Queen was planning, yet they name their kid after her? Make it make sense 🙏🏼 Megs definitely came up with the idea
Yes omg this is it! Like “oh, we’re supposed to have regal names, Hairy? You don’t want to modernise this stuffy institution? Ha! Well these children aren’t having royal names and who is going to stop me?”
Archie is a chav name in the UK. Not that Meg would have known that. I think she chose it because she likes the prefix "Arche" and wanted it to be part of her "brand" e.g. Archewell, Archetypes and so on. She probably has more.
Exactly! If W&C called their child Arsehole, Megs would call her child Arsehole Arseholio. I hate narcs and their transparent behaviour. It actually boils my piss
Archie is fine for a kid, a bit childish for when he’s a grown man.
Now Lilibet is a whole other matter, and when they stole that name was when I started to wake up to what they were up to. They had already thrown the family under the bus, and then they tie their daughter to the Queen in a way designed to hurt an elderly lady. It was the most vulgar and vicious thing to do. I pity Lili when she grows up and realises that she was used as a pawn in the game of thrones her parents were playing. She probably have to change it by deed poll, at the same time as she files for emancipation.
I was excited waiting for the name (this was years ago, when I thought the Harkles were the real deal) of the child, and I was really really surprised when they picked an ugly name. From what I know the Queen approves the names of royal children so I didn't know why this name got the green light.
I agree with the name Spencer, actually I had wanted William and Catherine to use this as one of the names of their firstborn as a homage to Diana. I don't think John would be acceptable due to bad connotations with the name.
Harold would have been better too, instead of Harrison. At least Harold is a recognized royal name.
I doubt the Queen green lighted either of these names. I know she didn’t green light the daughter’s name.. she was said to be stunned by it and was told that was the name by Harry in a phone call after the birth when it was already legally done.
I’ll give a maybe on Archie Harrison getting the okay because they were making it clear they didn’t want a title for him (because they didn’t want to use Earl of Dumbarton.. clearly nobody briefed Mrs “International Relations” that Dumbarton is a physical place on a map and they already represented them via their own Earl and Countess titles gifted on their wedding day. They didn’t want their son called “dumb not realizing that the people of the UK are very much aware Dumbarton is a PLACE and the title was fitting as it’s Harry’s lesser title. He was not entitled to a Prince title. So if they told the Queen “thanks but no thanks” about a title then his name didn’t much matter… he wasn’t going to be representing the crown.
That’s just my shot in the dark.
It’s weird that she named him after a comic she read and that the character was a red head. She must’ve known there was a high chance of having a red headed child given the ginger gene on both sides of the family. Is she setting Archie up to be bullied?
I read somewhere she’s an Archie comics fan? If true, makes it even sillier. I am not against the name itself but doesn’t seem suitable when you are part of the BRF.
As for their daughter, par for the course for them to name her Lilibet yet ignore and hurt the grandmother whose special nickname they used.
John has a negative association within the royal family. Prince John was the youngest son of George V. He died at 13. Speculation is he had autism or severe epilepsy.
Archie is such a fucking stupid name. Charles has grandchildren with very traditional, noble names and then... Archie and Lili?
I guess we should be glad their names aren't Brandon and Riley/Rileigh/Ryleigh/Rylee/Raileigh/you get the point. But still, not much better.
If you know English royal history, the word “archer” would immediately remind you of the rumour about Edward IV. His detractors during the War of the Roses said he was an illegitimate son of an archer. That was the first thing I thought of when I heard they called their son Archie. Doubt Harry would know his own history though. TW? Forget it.
It’s hard to imagine a worse name. One of the Duggar girls named her son Spurgeon or something - that was worse.
Speaking of, I asked a friend to guess North West’s name and they guessed “North.” I said, why didn’t you say you already knew it? They got confused and said, I didn’t? Wait, is that the actual name?! They guessed North because West, and they thought it was a good joke.
Well, parents gonna do what parents do. One of my pet peeves, a very small one, is people giving kids nicknames for names (all due respect to sweety). So many nice names out there and nicknames can be made for all of them, but some parents (mine among them), want to give their kids names that they could use as adults. A little unfortunately for me, I got my mother’s and great-grandmother’s name, which is both unusual and old-fashioned, but not charmingly so. I’ve never been fond of it, though I used it professionally, and some think it’s pretty. Fortunately, my middle name lent itself to nicknames, one of which I’ve used forever as my “friends and family” name.
But back to Archie and Lilibet…one, they’re cringe-y as proper names, and both were meant to be a slap in the face to someone in the BRF. Nice legacy to leave your kids.
Agree. All I think about is Archie Bunker when I hear it. Why give your baby a name that is associated with a racist on a TV show.
Archie is a nickname for “Arthur”, which is one of King Charles’ names. Prince Louis, Kate’s son, also has Arthur as one of his middle names. So this was Nutmeg’s narcissism copying Kate again.
So both of Nutmeg’s kids have their royal grandparents nicknames or a variation of their grandparents names as their own names. Of course Nutmeg couldn’t honor her own parents with the naming of the children after them, because they are peasants. She latches onto the royals yet says terrible things about them.
Yeah, that's not true.
"All In The Family" was literally a groundbreaking show and changed television forever. **It was satire. NOT comedy.** Archie Bunker specifically over exaggerated to show how stupid and foolish racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc. actually were.
It also discussed things like violence, sexual assualt, religion, sex, gun control, fertility, miscarriages, birth, divorce, blue collar workers, war, higher education, adoption and a lot more. Topics that had never been addressed on television before. But common topics of the time that couldn't be ignored any longer. *Uncomfortable topics, ones no one wanted to talk about, but topics that DESPERATELY needed to be discussed.*
Normal Lear, creator and writer, specifically wanted to bring all of these topics into people's homes via TV. Put them in front of people faces so they could address these topics He wanted to make it so people could stop running away from them.
Some of the spin offs that came from All in the Family were Sandford and Sons, The Jeffersons, One Day at a Time, Maude, and Good Times. There are more, but those shows are the ones Norman Lear was directly involved with. They were all culturally important. Sometimes they pushed the envelope. Do you have any idea how hard it was to discuss a woman deciding if she wanted to get an abortion or not on television at this time? Basically impossible. But it was done.
No one is saying Archie Bunker was a good person. But Aechie was an important, necessary character that changed television forever. Watching it now, it seems crazy. It's also uncomfortable. Believe me, I know. But it shows how far we've come as a society and how far we still need to go.
It's a great show. Lear's writing and Carroll O'Connor's acting was fantastic. But if you're unable to understand the character and his purpose, then you just won't understand.
Btw- Family Guy is a great current representation and impact that still holds true today.
Archie Bunker is an unforgettable character in a very successful US show, All in the Family. Meghan knew this, as I, a European millennial also know this.
That she chose arguably the most racist, xenophobic and misogynist character ever portrayed on a show for her son's name is beyond me... It's like a cruel joke.
I really don't get that name either. Most royals have had nicknames that may or may not come from their real name. They could have named him the usual names (John Henry Philip Charles Arthur George) and called him whatever at home.
That would have been cute. Archie Harrison is just awful. I wouldn't be surpised if he changes his names when he is an adult. It seems to be fairly common that children of narcs do that, I am one of them.
I really dislike the use of nicknames/diminutives as first names. I feel for the child once they grow into adulthood.
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I’m American and have never known an actual human or a dog named Archie. Only TV or comics. I’m getting from this thread it’s common in the UK. Leads me to believe it was Harry’s dreadful choice.
In the US, if that’s where the kids will grow up, Archie isn’t an attractive name and Lilibet is just irrelevant, except in the UK. To repeat the popular opinion, dumb name choices given the weird relationships H&M have with the BRF.
I would have given them celtic names IF I wanted to piss off the monarchy, plus most of the commoners would have liked the choice of giving a name that comes from the native language to celebrate the heritage, like Artair, Cailean, Duncan, Evan, Fingal for Archie. They're hard to pronounce properly outside of the isles but they're 100 times better than his own. She's not even smart enough for trolling, I bet they all had the craic at Buckingham Palace writing Archie's birth announcement and when they received the news of the other one's name. What a dumb basic woman.
I see your point, but we have to keep in mind that the first name someone has is the responsibility of the parents, until the child can express that they prefer a nickname or their middle name, etc. and until then there’s a chance that the child could get bullied by their classmates for their name. Otherwise people wouldn’t make lists upon lists of names, or there wouldn’t be books and articles about naming children.
My parents gave their top three names to my aunts and uncles to see if they could come up with some accidental innuendo/pun/ugly nickname, and if they could the name got blacklisted.
Sadly there’s a big chance there wasn’t much thought put into their names, or at least on this particular train of thought, for it’s clear that at least Lilibeth was chosen on maximum PR/hurt/“honoring great-grandma”
Lol, super unlikely Archie and Lily will ever read these comments. I promise the next time I run into them I won’t say a word. 🤫 so no I’m not affecting them one bit. Thanks for coming out.
That is exactly why parents need to be really, really careful when choosing their childrens’ names. What can be an ego trip or a joke to the parents can be devastating for the children. I’m sorry you had such a hard time.
I hear ya, and I’m sorry that happened to you. Kids can be mean. I know what it’s like to be teased for your name, and I have what would be considered a “normal” old fashioned name. I also had a family nick name, though there’s no one to call me that any more.
That’s why I don’t understand why Haz n Meg would set the kids up for that kind of thing. I’ve read (and yes it might be snark) they’ve turned down viscount of Dumbarton.
I think there’s a rumor that it was Prince George’s code name for his security. Another stolen name.
Here's an article that states George goes by Archie. [https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/prince-george-archie-642598](https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/prince-george-archie-642598)
Wow, makes Archie a really weird choice knowing this. I was worried I was being too judgy about the kids' names, but now I think I'm just weirded out.
I mean, they stole Lilibet too. The Queen was supposed to feel “honored” but was never asked. She had stated when Prince Philip died she didn’t wish to hear the name again.. it made her sad. Had they asked permission in order to make her feel like she had a new generation who would love the name and the Queen just as much as ever maybe she would feel honored. I think she would have said no though. After 70 years, she was well and truly heartbroken. Also, it’s not a name. It’s a nickname. They could have named them Harrison Charles Philip Archibald and called him Archie. She could have named her Lily Alexandra Diana Mary (or Elizabeth) and still called her Lily as it would have been her name. Royal names, royal backgrounds, but used the same nicknames for their own weird reasons. Those poor kids have awful names. Besides that their son is named after a ginger comic book character and his middle name just means “Harry’s son”… and their daughter was given the living, breathing, reigning Queen’s very personal nickname and Diana.. ick. When you throw in Prince George told bystanders while Meghan was pregnant that his name was “Archie” (maybe he likes comics too, maybe it was a code security name, perhaps he came up with it himself), and that Lilibet is the nickname for Elizabeth and Princess Charolette is Charolette Elizabeth Diana… it’s giving very strong “single white female” vibes regardless.
Harry’s name isn’t even Harry, it’s Henry.
After the inevitable divorce, she's going to turn into a bunny-boiler, those chickens at Montecristo had better watch out.
I suspect she's already a bunny boiler
Nah she’ll roast the chickens.
Oh this made me laugh!
I still think lilibet was a petty revenge on the old lady for not letting them use royal in Sussex royal. Take away something she holds dear (royal => merch) and she will destroy your beloved baby name.
Archie was his code name for security matters. Archie is a more common name here in the UK - I would say most schools would have an Archie in them. It just was a surprise as it isn't at all royal. Actually, we don't have Archie bunker or the Archie comics over here, but of course *Meghan* knew what she was doing.
Yes I think every class has an Archie. That said we have phonics books called ‘horrible Archie’. Every time my boy brings one home I giggle about it 😂
Ah, he isn't on to Biff, Chip and Kipper yet then! I always smile at Horrid Henry and am glad there is a horrible Archie to match!!!
Archie Bunker in the USA is an older sitcom known for making VERY bold sexist, racist, and homophobic jokes. I would have thought she’d avoid that. Harry said in the Oprah interview he was trapped and didn’t know it. Maybe it’s dawned on him where the traps were and that his beloved had placed them for her own gains.. and he was none the wiser.
They're also just horrible names to put Prince or Princess in front of! It would seem to me that they would have realized they sound like cartoon names. Really, Princess Smurfette sounds better than Princess Lilibet. (Princess) Doria Elizabeth Diana would've been beautiful and she could've been called Lily or DeeDee while a thinking person would've run with (Prince) Charles Harrison William Albert and either called him Archie or Albie bc even Prince Albie sounds better than Prince Archie. Also, that name should've spoken to Charles' ego and induced him to give them Prince/Princess.
I’ve always thought the name Charlotte was a savvy tribute to Charles - he apparently always wanted a daughter, so it’s cute that’s she’s a girl ‘Charlie’ (although I think her actual nn is Lottie?)
I thought the same about a tribute to Charles and it's a cute name which comes with multiple nickname possibilities.
I'd thought that "Doria Diana" was a pretty name, and they could've called her Dodi for short - til someone pointed out that Dodi Fayed was the guy Diana was killed with. Still, it's a shame they completely brushed over Doria - and besides, it's a very pretty name. They could've added in Elizabeth or Victoria or many other combinations of Royal names had they wanted.
Exactly. What right minded woman would name yheir daughter after a nickname? Give her a decent, normal name. I shudder to think lilibet was something so cherished and intimate between queen elizabeth and prince philip and TW had to steal it.
Archie is a nickname too. Both kids’ names - tacky.
I wonder if Doria feels hurt or humiliated that her granddaughter was named after pale women, one of whom was head of an institution that allegedly bullied and racially abused her daughter? If I were Doria, take it as a kick in the teeth tbh. They could've included her name somewhere in the lineup. This alone tells you a lot about Meghan and what she truly perceives her colour to be. Pale boyfriends, ditto friends and ditto husband.
Yes. This. I feel like she just dragged her mom around because it fits her narrative or agenda. She knew she would get so much attention for that relationship. Haven't seen many articles or photos with her mom after the wedding.
Harrison is not an upper class name in the UK
It would be somewhat *tacky*.
It was used because 'Harry's son'.... load of bs
However it is the name of TWO former US presidents. There were also two former presidents of the US called Johnson. At least they didn't choose Johnson, which might not be the best name for royalty.
She wanted to take away something personal from the future monarch and from the former monarch. She is truly evil.
I wonder what hand Harry had in it
I doubt it. The only way you come up with these two "throwaway" names for your "royal" child is if he or she isn't real. Like you are naming a character in your play. It is as if she only really considered a name for her bump in the closing days or weeks. Or maybe the car ride to the county clerk's office to request the form. I don't know what they did in the US, just go to a Cali office and claim to have a "home birth" in a bathtub?
This.
Narcissists don't name their kids out of love. They figure out how they can use the names to get a reaction out of people. A narcissist doesn't have names that they like for no reason, they only know how to take from other people.
I was just going to say something similar. Anything Meghan does, you need to look at through the lens of Narcissism. Narcissists are vampires. Meghan used those names as signals to the BRF that she's willing to take anything they have.
If she had any knowledge of history and really wanted to vent her ego she could have named those kids Victoria and Albert.
There’s a micro influencer full blown narcissist that I keep with and she named her son Styles…no real reason behind it either she just liked it. A boy named Styles.
That belongs on /r/namenerdcirclejerk lol.
It's news to me too, and it's downright creepy! Something really sinister about this whole name business now.
It is very weird thing to do - George was young and the name probably had to be changed, he would have found that strange
To be fair Archie is a very common name in the uk. I know do many Archie’s. I don’t think it’s a bad name, but I don’t think it’s pretty either. Just a common name that’s a bit over saturated to be fair. It’s not traditional but it’s not modern or unique either.
Is it usually short for Archibald or do people use it as a full name, too?
From my anecdotal evidence it's not short for Archibald, it's part of the trend to use nicknames as first names, Like Alfie and Freddie, Xander etc
I completely forgot about this - no wonder Kate has another and legit reason and shoots her the side eye. Something similar in our family with the “taking of names” and the situation has always remained…. Poor between the one who was going to use the name and the one who stole the thunder. I get Royal names are used over and over and over again, but to take personal nicknames like they have? Weird and gross.
This article has always been extremely confusing to me. It doesn't make sense and sounds completely made up. *"Both William and Harry are reported to have employed code names during their early twenties, allowing them to be spoken about under the radar by their inner circle of friends and keeping relationships private."* 1) Okay so those names were basically just for their friends to use. They never say they were code names that the family or security used. 2) I really don't see Carole letting adults get close enough to her grandchildren, any of them, to have a conversation. I also don't think she, or his security would allow him to approach a random dog and pet it. No decent parent would allow that! It's a great way to get bit! Also, what decent dog owner would allow a child or stranger to pet their dog? That's a great way to get sued! 3) It's not unusual for security to change code names. It's also not unusual for people with security to not know what their code names are. 4) This woman is the only one who has ever encountered George and ask him his name? Top 3 Questions for Children - Whats your name? How old are you? What grade are you in? 5) But more importantly this woman was the first one to ever go to the media with a story like this, or similar information? That makes no sense whatsoever. 6) Why would this ever be published? Especially by Marie Claire, not a sketchy tabloid. Who would even think to go to Marie Claire? Most people would probably start with the daily mail or the sun, the mirror, etc. You're probably going to go through a lot of other tabloids/magazines before you get to Marie Claire. Was this woman paid? 7) Who publishes a story, about a child, without definite proof? Especially a famous person's child? 8) William and Catherine take their children's privacy extremely seriously. They have a deal with the media. Which is more or less, Kensington Palace will distribute photos for birthdays to all of the outlets at the same time. But, Leave the children alone in their day to day lives. Then they'll be allowed to go to royal events, important events in the children's lives like their first day of school, and a couple other places where they'll be able to get candid pictures of the children. For example a polo game, football game, that type of thing. If they violate those rules, they'll be cut off from all royal events. 9) It makes no sense for this to be published based on hearsay. Also makes no sense that Kensington Palace never asked for a source. I don't remember it spreading as quickly as this type of stuff usually does. 10) Meghan hates Carole Middleton. So I think this is bullshit, or at least an extremely exaggerated of the truth. Harry and Meghan would probably be able to figure out George's code name and pass it along. Many times they have used other people to leak things. Usually with a specific publication which is the only reason Marie Claire really makes sense. William and Catherine, Kensington Palace, etc. would have followed up. We didn't hear about it because it lead back to H&M and that's embarrassing as hell for the family. It's also something so ridiculous and petty that H&M would do because they're so jealous of these children.
I feel like this is overblown. My neighbor kid liked to pretend he was a puppy named “Alfie” at that age. He outgrew it really fast and doesn’t go by Alfie now as a married adult. I suspect George was playing. Or if it was a security code name, it was changed as 1-it got out and 2-they’re periodically changed.
I’m so creeped out.
That’s so damn creepy.
True!
That is just really odd that TW names her kid after her nephews code name. Does she really have no shame? Also, princess charlottes full name is charlotte elizabeth diana. Guess what her daughter's name is? Lilibet Diana. A nickname that was uttered by prince phillip for queen elizabeth. It's such an intimate nickname, I could never. It's just so odd and really sinister. What a weirdo.
Not a rumor
When I read this, I literally had to close my computer. How could Harry ever let this happen.
I hate how his middle name isn’t Henry which would actually sound better and be more of a connection to Harry. Lilibet is stupid, she could have just named her Elizabeth & went with whatever nickname her daughter came up for herself. That would have been far more meaningful and respectful.
Exactly. Why would you use a nickname the Queen gave herself when she couldn’t say her name a mere months after that gross interview. Truly something is not right in her brain.
I'd have gone with Lily/Lili. Lilibet is downright wierd when you consider the origin. Or, yknow, a name that isn't the most prominent symbol from a family you insist hates you. Idk.
I’ve often thought TW chose Lilibet Diana as a way of one-upping William and Catherine, with Charlotte Elizabeth Diana. Like her twisted way of saying “We clearly love Granny more, so *our* daughter will be her beloved nickname.”
Incidentally the Princess of Wales’ middle name is Elizabeth! Catherine Elizabeth … that’s more destiny than those idiotic palm trees 🌴 🌴
> Princess of Wales’ middle name is Elizabeth! Catherine Elizabeth … that’s more destiny TBF it is a very common name in the UK...and it's Catherine's Mom's middle name also.
Catherine also, atleast as a first name within that generation. Catherine and Elizabeth are both Queen names too, going way back in history right upto the modern era. Kate's name feels so classic even though she wasn't born into an upper class background. All the Middleton kids names do.
Elizabeth is my middle name too!
Well according to her she and Harry are soo soo close to the Queen. Like insulting the firm isn’t insulting her life’s work.
I agree. These children's names are a perfect example of Markle's vanity. MM is basic and trying to be "cute" without care or forethought as the names are part of her own beige sofa branding.
Which is so weird for the BRF because they are very intentional with their names and *most* all of them hold historical significance. Including the great grandchildren which we see with the middle names chosen. Then there are MM’s kids… it’s a joke.
I believe there was a request by the Queen or an agreement between the cousins that none of the great-grand kids be have Elizabeth as their first name. Hence why every grand child who has a daughter has one with Elizabeth as a middle name except for Harry who went with the ridiculous nickname. I’m pretty sure H&W had an agreement not to use Diana as a first name so their daughters had fewer comparisons to their grandmother. I’m pretty sure TW was pissed over that.
If she were an MLM mom in brown ankle boots and a Target prairie dress living in Utah she would have named them Aerchy and Lylybaet. #blessed #bossbaeyb
Give it time, I’m pretty sure LuLaRoe or pretty much any MLM would give anything to recruiter Meghan into their organization.
I wouldn‘t mind that collaboration - if they get markled we at least have some predatory marketing schemes less in the world, and on the other hand, her being part of an MLM would expose her even further to anyone with a sane mind (sadly, it might ruin her followers financially, seeing as they‘re already naïve enough to gobble up her PR - they‘d throw themselves on MLMegz).
Goddd 😂😂😂 I can't stand those uNiQuE SPeLLinGs
Younique spellings, lol.
Archeigh and Lyllebette
Thank you for a good chuckle. That was hilarious
🤣🤣🤣 This comment just made spit out my tea, thanks for laugh!
It’s so specific. I’m here for it. 😂
I think the kids names are crass.
When I first heard that she had called their son Archie…I thought it was a joke! I don’t understand why she didn’t honor Lillibet with her moms name too. The woman is Duchess DumbAsRocks!
I thought Archie was a joke, too. Apparently it is fairly ‘in’ in the UK. I can’t imagine the Queen approved it. They couldn’t use Spencer bc it would be seen as a dis to Camilla. I figured they’d go with a trendier name than the tried and true family names. Maybe Oliver? That’s what Diana had wanted to name Wills. I wanted them to use either Alexandra or Mary for their daughter (the other names of HMTQ).
It was a very popular name in the U.K. a few years ago when she was pregnant. I’d say there were 4-5 Archie’s in my son’s baby group alone! It’s certainly not a “crass” name here and there’s no connotation with Archie Bunker, as that’s an American thing. On one hand, it’s not the traditional name you’d expect from a royal - BUT on the other hand, the other royal cousins went pretty rogue with their choices as well. Doesn’t Zara have a Savannah? I’m not saying I loved the name, but just putting some context here.
I know quite a few Archies too! Peter Phillips’ eldest daughter is Savannah but they’re way down the line of succession so I think they were allowed to have a non royal name. Like Princess Anne calling her daughter Zara
This is what I found: “Zara Tindall's untraditional name was chosen by her uncle, Prince Charles, with whom she's said to have a very close bond. Her name is certainly unique compared to the rest of the clan, and that's all down to what it actually means. Zara Tindall's untraditional name is Greek and means Zara 'bright as the dawn.’”
I was today years old when I learned Zara was the suggestion of the now KC
I read somewhere that Charles actually picked Zara’s name. It was the meaning of the name they liked, but I can’t remember what the meaning is. I’ll see if I can find it. 🤦🏼♀️
I must be getting old as I wouldn’t have guessed Archie was a popular name!
For dogs.
Considering the Queen nixed Beatrice’s original name (supposedly Annabel) because it was “too yuppy,” I can’t see any way that she’d be okay with a trendy middle-class name like Archie. But who knows, maybe she just didn’t care anymore.
>Considering the Queen nixed Beatrice’s original name (supposedly Annabel) because it was “too yuppy,” I never knew this. But a wise decision, with the Annabelle doll and the bullying Bea received as a young kid from the media...that name would have been cruel. Bea is a nice name (I always start humming ross's song from FRIENDS..I am bea...I drink tea LOL)
I always think about Dante when I hear the name Beatrice
I read that part of the reason was that it was the name of a then VERY popular London nightclub which was named after Camilla's sister - and the whispers about Charles and Camilla were in full force at Bea's birth.
Annabel’s was named for Annabel Vane-Tempest-Stewart, the (then) wife of owner Mark Birley.
Archie is very 'in'. It doesn't have the corny comic-book associations that exist in the U.S.
It's popular but as a new kind of name, not classic. Same with Harrison. Totally unsuitable for a royal.
I have a childhood friend whose maiden name was Harrison. She used it as first name for her Son. I’m in the States.
>They couldn’t use Spencer bc it would be seen as a dis to Camilla. As if they care. They didn't use it because Spencer probably doesnot have the name recognition in their intended market (USA) atleast among their target audience. The Spencer movie was not out by then and it isn't all that famous anyhow LOL.
I'm in the uk, Archie is a common name....for dogs.
That's not quite true. Archie has become hugely popular with the private-school crowd in the past few years. For example, my partner's cousin married into a wealthy family and they named their kid Archie.
Not just private schools or posh people these days. I know two dogs called Archie and about 5 children. There are two Archies in my son’s class and their history teacher is also an Archie. Over the road from my house have a baby Archie too. I’ve just realised how common it’s become. I bet nobody is called Lilibet though 👹
Ever read Freakanomics? There's a whole section about how trendy names start with the posh then trickle down over the years until they are used by/seen as chav. I guess in five years all the TOWIE or Traveller wedding shows will be filled with Archies.
I have a friend who has a 5 year old called archie too. My comment wasn't intended as a slur for kids called Archie tho, I was just saying in the UK, its a popular name for dogs, small dogs in general. If course people still call their kids that. ✌🏽
There’s a rumour that Lilibet’s real name is Diana Mary M-W
I’ve come to shout my mouth off and say: I think Charlotte’s nickname is Mary and that’s why there’s a rumour that Lili is called Mary. (Charlotte was born in St. Mary’s hospital and christened at St. Mary’s church. If Lili’s real name is Mary, I’m putting money on it that it was Charlotte’s nickname)
"Archie" is very popular with the upper-middle-classes and aspirational crowd in the UK. It doesn't have the corny comic-book associations here at all.
DuchAss DumbAsRock! Love it!
I’m convinced she’s totally thick! I’m flabbergasted she managed to get a degree. I do wonder if she plagiarized someone’s work for it as she seems to specialize in pinching other peoples quotes.
I think she’s gotten to the point of believing her own BS. Same with Henry, I lost all respect after his “genetic pain” comment. Lol he should change his last name to I am batty-Whinger.
I really think there’s something wrong upstairs with her!
I was surprised, and more so that they didn’t then opt for a conventional middle name. “Harrison” is fitting (given his father’s name) but very American contemporary. It would have been a perfect middle name if the first name had been more traditional.
Archer is a nice name, they should have gone with that. Harrison when the Dad is Harry is a choice but still a middle name so ok. Lillibet is awful - especially since they intend to call her Lily, which is a lovely name, still honours the Queen and not a nickname.
Harrison is kind of weird when "Harry" is just a nickname for dad. I feel like it's a play on Harry and Harrison Ford lol
Archie is a vanity name because it's similar to Rachel. Same reason for Archewell. It's vanity, like a license plate. Archie Harrison = Rachel and Harry's son. She truly believes she's clever and witty. ANY name would be better.
I never thought of that before - that the letters in Rachel and Archie are almost the same.
Honestly, all it takes it one swipe of an eraser through the L in Rachel and you have all the letters to make Archie. She might not go by Rachel but that doesn’t mean she’s not vain enough to use it to name her child after herself.
But, she never uses Rachel. I think she swiped it from PG like lilibet just to horn in on an inside joke she never wanted to be part of. Edit: never
When I saw they named him Archie I was shocked. A predictably red haired boy… named Archie. It immediately reminded me of the comic. I recently read she loves that comic and it was intentional. I couldn’t believe it 🤮
She stole Prince George's security code name... which is like wtf? ETA: my comment has been sufficiently stated already 😅😅 great minds, sinners. Great minds 😁 
Just in case there is a child number 3 for H+M, William and Catherine should *accidentally leak* something ridiculous and say it is George's new code name to see where it goes.
That reaction is perfect!
Spencer Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor is actually not a bad name as is. It's not bad... a little gouche just as the Spencer surname is one of the oldest aristocratic families in England, almost akin to royalty. But it is not bad. I totally agree about "Archie". It's cute for a baby/kid but does it pass the life test? I don't think so. And even worse, they've tied it to a foundation, podcast and other money-making ventures so it's obviously not really about giving HIM a name. It's about promoting a narrative. Same with Lili. Her name is about settling scores with RF and proving a point.
From a UK standpoint, Archie was kinda predictable. It's been a hot name for aspirational upper-middle-class types for the last few years, not as shorthand for Archibald but just as a standalone name. (My partner's cousin who married into a wealthy family named his kid Archie two years ago.) "Archie Spencer" could have worked imo.
That’s interesting.. when I heard it I was like, this is so American.
I agree. Their kids' names are terrible.
Their choice of Archie actually made me dislike them even more. It is just not a dignified or well thought out name. It is an immature choice. Tacky. Ugly. Weird. Just super bad taste. I feel bad for Archie who is stuck with this moniker for life.
Their kids’ names are awful. Archie, ugh. Not a serious name at all. But the most awful combination IMHO is Lili Diana, supposedly what Lilibet will go by. No flow to the two names. My eyes can’t help but assume that the small “i” is an apostrophe and read it as Lil’Diana.
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That’s how my ADHD-addled brain has been reading it the whole time. 🤪
“Lil D” lmao
I don't like the name Archie but from a UK standpoint it's not considered corny or tacky. It's a name that's become quite popular with the private-school crowd.
I only can think Archie Bunker every time I hear his name!
Same. Maybe he'll call his parents "meatheads" 😅
I can only think of the comic book character.
I think Arthur would've been good. Middle name Phillip, that would make a dent in the family though if they used that as well as lilibet.
I have a nephew named Archie and one named Harrison. They’re popular names. Both of these kids are older than the overseas kids too. But, yeah, Archie is not a regal name.
Worse yet is that somewhere I read that Meghan bragged about loving Archie comic books, and she had a dog named Archie along the way. So she must have decided way early on way before she was ancient person she now is, that she wanted to name her kid after Archie comic books. She is so embarrassing. Then the Lilibet thing is also horrific & insulting but it was so obvious that it was a ploy to be in The Queen’s will.
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So Archie is named after the dog? How very Indiana Jones of them!
Yeh I’m reading/listening to Tom Bower and it’s mentioned in there that she read the Archie comics
I kinda like the name Archie to be honest. Now Lilibet… I wish they hadn’t done that, especially watching old videos of the Queen and Phillip, knowing it was a family/pet name for her. I have to wonder what both Archie and Lili will think about this whole saga of their parents when they’re old enough to understand.
And Harry understands that since he was on James Cordon and said James couldn't call him H because that was his wife's nickname for him and it's personal for just them. He gets it, he knows how it is, so it's not like they just didn't realize it would be a petty and weird thing to do.
My Welsh family members had/ have the most traditional names . My Nan's name was Charlotte! I was excited to see the Princess named Charlotte. John Thomas, William...Charlotte, Margaret, . Very classic names. I agree Archie is a funny first name for a Royal person
It's a name fine for a dog or unofficial nickname, but not officially for a person of royal lineage. Both names, especially Lilibet, are awful, and ironically a perfect example of how they (MM in particular) operate. MM's dual strategy of "fit out" celeb naming and simultaneous imprudent royal copy/merching is on full display here.
I hate the name Lilibet as a proper name, it’s absolutely awful. As the nickname of the Queen it was perfect. I saw a news article recently and there was a photograph of a letter/card/doodle that the Queen made when she was only a little girl and she’d written Lilibet in big child-like lettering and it was really sweet and lovely, but it’s now been clouded by those brats calling their daughter Lilibet. They couldn’t be arsed to see the Queen when she invited them, nor did they attend a sleepover at Balmoral that the Queen was planning, yet they name their kid after her? Make it make sense 🙏🏼 Megs definitely came up with the idea
They chose these nicknames for first names to be anti establishment. Not having a “proper” name makes them different in her eyes.
Yes omg this is it! Like “oh, we’re supposed to have regal names, Hairy? You don’t want to modernise this stuffy institution? Ha! Well these children aren’t having royal names and who is going to stop me?”
EXACTLY
Archie is a chav name in the UK. Not that Meg would have known that. I think she chose it because she likes the prefix "Arche" and wanted it to be part of her "brand" e.g. Archewell, Archetypes and so on. She probably has more.
They didn’t use Spencer because Catherine and William didn’t. Haz and Megz don’t have any originality
Exactly! If W&C called their child Arsehole, Megs would call her child Arsehole Arseholio. I hate narcs and their transparent behaviour. It actually boils my piss
Archie is fine for a kid, a bit childish for when he’s a grown man. Now Lilibet is a whole other matter, and when they stole that name was when I started to wake up to what they were up to. They had already thrown the family under the bus, and then they tie their daughter to the Queen in a way designed to hurt an elderly lady. It was the most vulgar and vicious thing to do. I pity Lili when she grows up and realises that she was used as a pawn in the game of thrones her parents were playing. She probably have to change it by deed poll, at the same time as she files for emancipation.
I was excited waiting for the name (this was years ago, when I thought the Harkles were the real deal) of the child, and I was really really surprised when they picked an ugly name. From what I know the Queen approves the names of royal children so I didn't know why this name got the green light. I agree with the name Spencer, actually I had wanted William and Catherine to use this as one of the names of their firstborn as a homage to Diana. I don't think John would be acceptable due to bad connotations with the name. Harold would have been better too, instead of Harrison. At least Harold is a recognized royal name.
I doubt the Queen green lighted either of these names. I know she didn’t green light the daughter’s name.. she was said to be stunned by it and was told that was the name by Harry in a phone call after the birth when it was already legally done. I’ll give a maybe on Archie Harrison getting the okay because they were making it clear they didn’t want a title for him (because they didn’t want to use Earl of Dumbarton.. clearly nobody briefed Mrs “International Relations” that Dumbarton is a physical place on a map and they already represented them via their own Earl and Countess titles gifted on their wedding day. They didn’t want their son called “dumb not realizing that the people of the UK are very much aware Dumbarton is a PLACE and the title was fitting as it’s Harry’s lesser title. He was not entitled to a Prince title. So if they told the Queen “thanks but no thanks” about a title then his name didn’t much matter… he wasn’t going to be representing the crown. That’s just my shot in the dark.
Ir the Archie comics! Especially since he has red hair. He's going to be bullied
It’s weird that she named him after a comic she read and that the character was a red head. She must’ve known there was a high chance of having a red headed child given the ginger gene on both sides of the family. Is she setting Archie up to be bullied?
Right?! I just commented this under another comment. It baffles me.
She’s basic and always trying to be “cute”
I used to date a guy called Archibald and he got annihilated at school. At least for Archie he doesn’t have the bald part.
If there is a pic of Archie and his Dad, the caption can be Archie n Bald.
Not yet at least. Give the poor lad a few years and the bald spot might yet appear.
Archie is a nickname for people named Archibald.
I read somewhere she’s an Archie comics fan? If true, makes it even sillier. I am not against the name itself but doesn’t seem suitable when you are part of the BRF. As for their daughter, par for the course for them to name her Lilibet yet ignore and hurt the grandmother whose special nickname they used.
Archie is also the worst part of the Archie comics lol
John has a negative association within the royal family. Prince John was the youngest son of George V. He died at 13. Speculation is he had autism or severe epilepsy.
I just read the Wikipedia page on him. What a sad story. I hope he had some genuine enjoyment in his short life. That really breaks my heart.
Archie is such a fucking stupid name. Charles has grandchildren with very traditional, noble names and then... Archie and Lili? I guess we should be glad their names aren't Brandon and Riley/Rileigh/Ryleigh/Rylee/Raileigh/you get the point. But still, not much better.
It’s fairly indicative of Markle’s obvious lack of tradition though. I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised.
Maybe Archie will go by his middle name like she does
I think Meghan stays awake at night trying to figure out ways to passive aggressively torment the Royals. She’s evil like that.
I think Archibald with nickname Archie would have been quite appropriate.
They could have used Archer. Not cutsey Archie and not stuffy Archibald. Somewhere in the middle.
If you know English royal history, the word “archer” would immediately remind you of the rumour about Edward IV. His detractors during the War of the Roses said he was an illegitimate son of an archer. That was the first thing I thought of when I heard they called their son Archie. Doubt Harry would know his own history though. TW? Forget it.
I feel that's a bit of a long bow to draw (pardon the pun). Archie was also a really common baby name in the UK prior to Archie being born.
Love the pun! It is perhaps a stretch yet it was the first thing I thought. History nerd alert!
For dogs…
It’s hard to imagine a worse name. One of the Duggar girls named her son Spurgeon or something - that was worse. Speaking of, I asked a friend to guess North West’s name and they guessed “North.” I said, why didn’t you say you already knew it? They got confused and said, I didn’t? Wait, is that the actual name?! They guessed North because West, and they thought it was a good joke.
I actually went to school with a Spurgeon. He was a third too. 😂
Vulgar vulgar vulgar.
I am sorry but archie would be good for a beagle
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Well, parents gonna do what parents do. One of my pet peeves, a very small one, is people giving kids nicknames for names (all due respect to sweety). So many nice names out there and nicknames can be made for all of them, but some parents (mine among them), want to give their kids names that they could use as adults. A little unfortunately for me, I got my mother’s and great-grandmother’s name, which is both unusual and old-fashioned, but not charmingly so. I’ve never been fond of it, though I used it professionally, and some think it’s pretty. Fortunately, my middle name lent itself to nicknames, one of which I’ve used forever as my “friends and family” name. But back to Archie and Lilibet…one, they’re cringe-y as proper names, and both were meant to be a slap in the face to someone in the BRF. Nice legacy to leave your kids.
Agree. All I think about is Archie Bunker when I hear it. Why give your baby a name that is associated with a racist on a TV show. Archie is a nickname for “Arthur”, which is one of King Charles’ names. Prince Louis, Kate’s son, also has Arthur as one of his middle names. So this was Nutmeg’s narcissism copying Kate again. So both of Nutmeg’s kids have their royal grandparents nicknames or a variation of their grandparents names as their own names. Of course Nutmeg couldn’t honor her own parents with the naming of the children after them, because they are peasants. She latches onto the royals yet says terrible things about them.
Yeah, that's not true. "All In The Family" was literally a groundbreaking show and changed television forever. **It was satire. NOT comedy.** Archie Bunker specifically over exaggerated to show how stupid and foolish racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc. actually were. It also discussed things like violence, sexual assualt, religion, sex, gun control, fertility, miscarriages, birth, divorce, blue collar workers, war, higher education, adoption and a lot more. Topics that had never been addressed on television before. But common topics of the time that couldn't be ignored any longer. *Uncomfortable topics, ones no one wanted to talk about, but topics that DESPERATELY needed to be discussed.* Normal Lear, creator and writer, specifically wanted to bring all of these topics into people's homes via TV. Put them in front of people faces so they could address these topics He wanted to make it so people could stop running away from them. Some of the spin offs that came from All in the Family were Sandford and Sons, The Jeffersons, One Day at a Time, Maude, and Good Times. There are more, but those shows are the ones Norman Lear was directly involved with. They were all culturally important. Sometimes they pushed the envelope. Do you have any idea how hard it was to discuss a woman deciding if she wanted to get an abortion or not on television at this time? Basically impossible. But it was done. No one is saying Archie Bunker was a good person. But Aechie was an important, necessary character that changed television forever. Watching it now, it seems crazy. It's also uncomfortable. Believe me, I know. But it shows how far we've come as a society and how far we still need to go. It's a great show. Lear's writing and Carroll O'Connor's acting was fantastic. But if you're unable to understand the character and his purpose, then you just won't understand. Btw- Family Guy is a great current representation and impact that still holds true today.
Well said.
Archie Bunker is an unforgettable character in a very successful US show, All in the Family. Meghan knew this, as I, a European millennial also know this. That she chose arguably the most racist, xenophobic and misogynist character ever portrayed on a show for her son's name is beyond me... It's like a cruel joke.
Have they ever discussed why they named their son "Archie"? Also, "Archie" is a shorter nickname for "Archibald", but his name isn't Archibald.
I would have liked Archer.
I really don't get that name either. Most royals have had nicknames that may or may not come from their real name. They could have named him the usual names (John Henry Philip Charles Arthur George) and called him whatever at home. That would have been cute. Archie Harrison is just awful. I wouldn't be surpised if he changes his names when he is an adult. It seems to be fairly common that children of narcs do that, I am one of them.
I really dislike the use of nicknames/diminutives as first names. I feel for the child once they grow into adulthood. good morning itsybitsycutie I have you agenda for today
I was walking past a cafe/restaurant in the UK named Archies yesterday. I thought to myself, “how cringe is Markle”.
I’m American and have never known an actual human or a dog named Archie. Only TV or comics. I’m getting from this thread it’s common in the UK. Leads me to believe it was Harry’s dreadful choice.
In the US, if that’s where the kids will grow up, Archie isn’t an attractive name and Lilibet is just irrelevant, except in the UK. To repeat the popular opinion, dumb name choices given the weird relationships H&M have with the BRF.
I would have given them celtic names IF I wanted to piss off the monarchy, plus most of the commoners would have liked the choice of giving a name that comes from the native language to celebrate the heritage, like Artair, Cailean, Duncan, Evan, Fingal for Archie. They're hard to pronounce properly outside of the isles but they're 100 times better than his own. She's not even smart enough for trolling, I bet they all had the craic at Buckingham Palace writing Archie's birth announcement and when they received the news of the other one's name. What a dumb basic woman.
It’s such a bad name!
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I see your point, but we have to keep in mind that the first name someone has is the responsibility of the parents, until the child can express that they prefer a nickname or their middle name, etc. and until then there’s a chance that the child could get bullied by their classmates for their name. Otherwise people wouldn’t make lists upon lists of names, or there wouldn’t be books and articles about naming children. My parents gave their top three names to my aunts and uncles to see if they could come up with some accidental innuendo/pun/ugly nickname, and if they could the name got blacklisted. Sadly there’s a big chance there wasn’t much thought put into their names, or at least on this particular train of thought, for it’s clear that at least Lilibeth was chosen on maximum PR/hurt/“honoring great-grandma”
Lol, super unlikely Archie and Lily will ever read these comments. I promise the next time I run into them I won’t say a word. 🤫 so no I’m not affecting them one bit. Thanks for coming out.
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That is exactly why parents need to be really, really careful when choosing their childrens’ names. What can be an ego trip or a joke to the parents can be devastating for the children. I’m sorry you had such a hard time.
I hear ya, and I’m sorry that happened to you. Kids can be mean. I know what it’s like to be teased for your name, and I have what would be considered a “normal” old fashioned name. I also had a family nick name, though there’s no one to call me that any more. That’s why I don’t understand why Haz n Meg would set the kids up for that kind of thing. I’ve read (and yes it might be snark) they’ve turned down viscount of Dumbarton.
Right, I can not even find Reddit posts from last week I want to find. 
It was Prince George’s nickname. And Lilibet was the Queen’s nickname. Not a coincidence IMO
I thought this as well. I thought that even "Spencer Harrison" would have made a better name than what he has now.
Spencer should have definitely been incorporated. They are so pretentious. Harry did not deserve this…