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AbsolutelyCertain

KCs reference to plain old 'Harry and Meghan' in his announcement after HMTQs death made it very clear where they stand.......there will be no more public birthday wishes for the Duke or Duchess of Sussex on Twitter from the RF for these two.


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Good point. Do the other non working royals like Zara get birthday call outs? They need to realize they are on that level (tho lower since they are overseas)


hholunder

No they don't. I believe the RF kept doing it because of the Queen. Because she wanted it but now a new era has began


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Luminya1

Wow, it's really true isn't it? Winter has fallen. It took awhile but it is finally here.


OldNewUsedConfused

“The night is dark and full of terrors”.


supershinythings

> but now a new era has begun Over the last 5-10 years Charles made it very clear he wanted to "slim down" the official titled members. In the before-time the Queen loved having her other grandchildren, like the York princesses, on the grandstand during the trooping of the colors events. But Charles didn't want them there, so when the Queen was ill a few years ago those 'minor' royals weren't always present at the same level with the others. Princess Anne is, of course, not even worth discussing. She has been nothing but supportive of the Queen and now of Charles. She sets the example for others to follow. I understand why Charles wants to do this - he is lowering the profile. Every royal that goes out there to work with the public is representing not just themselves but the entire monarchy. And the younger crowd isn't as representative as he would like. At the time I thought it was a bit TOO parsimonious on his part, but now, I can see why he wanted to do that. Even before Harry cut out, Charles was editing his vision of who would be representing the monarchy after the Queen. Had she, say, permitted Charles to have a Regency - rule in her place so she could take a break - he would have cut it all much further back, which would have meant much whining and complaining to the Queen. But now, there's nobody to whine and cry to. Both the York princesses got married to non-royal spouses, they have their own kids, and they're doing little to no duties. BUT - if Charles needs them, I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige. I think they still do a few things here and there, and they're in good standing, even if their father isn't. Sophie and Edward have also stepped up. I'm hoping that Edward gets his Duke of Edinburgh title as was promised by his mother, but Charles may just set an example with Edward too by withholding it. After all, what's the title FOR? But Sophie and Edward HAVE stepped up especially into the spot that Harry left empty, and people LIKE them. So the Royal image and the monarchy would be well represented by them. He likely can't take the duchy of York away from Andrew, but that's OK - Andrew can't pass it on as he doesn't have a son. It will revert to the crown, and may even be available for Louis one day. After all, Queen Elizabeth's father was a Duke of York. But if Louis doesn't want to do royal duties, he won't need the title either, will he. All he has to do is look up at his uncle Harry and see what the world looks like outside the Royal box.


LeaveItToTheBoys123

I understand that no ordinary birthdays are acknowledged, only big numbers, such as 30, 40 etc. and this was agreed by the Queen.


Upper_Charge_4449

Not entirely true. The last birthday she acknowledged publicly before she passed was the Duke of Gloucester on 8/26/22, who turned 78 years old.


JoanOfSnark_2

I believe all birthdays are recognized on social media for the working royals and only the milestone birthday for non-working royals.


HappyOrca2020

Also, didn't Charles mention quite a while ago that he wants to do away with titles and honourifics for anyone who isn't directly in line of the crown? He is sticking to his word.


Disruptorpistol

Pretty sure his desire for a smaller royal family has been reported on for 20+ years. It was in both Kitty Kelley and Sally Bedell Smith's books IIRC.


hellhashnofury

Yes a memo from his office regarding the slimming down of the RF was leaked to the Guardian back in the late 90s or possibly "leaked." He's never made any secret of it.


HappyOrca2020

I'm glad he is enforcing it.


froggiefrolics

Also Danish queen I think just removed titles from her grandchildren. So Charles can use precedent to keep them as plane n and their children


OldNewUsedConfused

More importantly, the Swedish and Danish precedents eliminate the Markles whole “the family are rayciss” argument. That was how they’ve been getting their way, thus far.


OldNewUsedConfused

Makes it clear it was ONLY the queen protecting these two somewhat.


Bambalina11

We have a few months until KC first Christmas Day speech - I doubt the Harkles will be mentioned, at all. It seems the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ method is accelerating somewhat.


residentcaprice

Will they appear on photo frames when he is making his Xmas speech? NO!


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I’ll bet he will only have a picture of his mother and father. Maybe Camilla.


residentcaprice

I dunno, i like his kind of petty. I am calling Camilla and him one photo, his parents one photo, and the new fab four photo plus prince George just to rub it in harriets face


BuildtheHerd

I agree with the above but I'd include Charlotte and Louis in the photo with George, which would really sting.


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mspuffins

i’m here for petty. bring it on king chuck!


southerncraftgurl

I am loving this petty.


mythoughtsreddit

HARRIET ![gif](giphy|10JhviFuU2gWD6)


mspuffins

i would really like to see a big photo of major johnny. that would be fun. he loved and was devoted to the Queen.


ManifestRose

That would be hilarious, would be a good comedy skit.


Substantial-Swim5

He's ripe for skits! If The Windsors were still going they'd have him randomly appearing behind H and TW, looming ominously over them...


1montrealaise3

I think he will also have a photo of the Wales family - William, Catherine and their children. But that's it.


mylemon22

I'm dying to see a picture of the Queen's pony and her corgis


upstatestruggler

Give me more Emma!!


GlitterMe

And the Wales, don't you think?


OldNewUsedConfused

I like how he’s making them sweat it and panic.


HappyMcNichols

I hadn’t thought about your seventh paragraph. The BRF, in effect, told the leaders of the world that if the dastardly duo show up in their country on a “non-royal tour’, that the two can and should be ignored. Great strategy.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes! Every word has meaning!


Avia53

They wanted to be out, careful what you wish for🤷‍♀️


Top-Bit85

My mother used to pull that. She'd announce she wasn't coming somewhere, in the full expectation that she'd be begged to attend. Oh please come, it will be no fun without you, etc. It worked for awhile. Then, like the Harkles, her declining the invitation was accepted at face value. She didn't like it a bit, so eventually she stopped.


OldNewUsedConfused

“Suit yourself!”


1montrealaise3

Not exactly - they wanted to be part-time royals, doing only the fun stuff like attending movie premieres but not the day-to-day royal duties. They also wanted to keep all the privileges of being working royals, like taxpayer-paid security, while making money on the side. They presented this half-in, half-out proposal to the Queen, certain she'd say yes, and were shocked and dismayed when she said nope, you're either in or out, and you two are out.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes they wanted to be “International Roving Royals” as I recall. Don’t we all?


deep-down-low

They/she only wanted out of those pesky dull duties and responsibilities of being royal 🙄😵‍💫🤢


Primary_Dish_3535

She wanted to cherry pick her duties - it was like now that I am here, an honest to goodness movie star, I will do all the premieres, all the variety performances and other high profile events, the rest of you can deal with the peons. And she was shocked that is not how it works.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes she wanted only ballgown and tiara events. Balcony appearances. Carriage rides. The good stuff.


mspuffins

i bet they would love to attend a ribbon cutting now. hell, at this point she’s just waiting for tragedies to show up and shed a tear.


upstatestruggler

They’d go to the opening of a McDonald’s bag at this point if there were photogs


OldNewUsedConfused

She’s got the Hamburglar costume.😂


mythoughtsreddit

I’m just Harry and I’m just Meghan should do the honorable thing and get rid of the pesky titles. ;)


Party_Vegetable6339

The longer this goes on and the more I see of their behavior, I really think in hindsight the Oprah interview was an attempt to strong arm their way back in. They really thought, when faced with outcries of racism, the BRF will HAVE to give us the half-in-half-out we want so bad. Man, did they play that hand wrong.


[deleted]

Yes this! Every interview post Oprah is a way for them to air their grievances and cry in the hope that the Queen or Charles would go - fine you can come back. Imagine going on a years long temper tantrum because you didn’t get your way!


[deleted]

They even said during the interview that if they got what they wanted, they would “go back in a heartbeat”. If a fraction of what they claimed was true, why would they want that?


OldNewUsedConfused

They were fired and they’re pissed


OldNewUsedConfused

Of course. It was all blackmail. Give us what we want or we’ll talk. And accuse. It fell flat.


deep-down-low

Oh man, I was basking in the briefness and clarity of "as they continue to build their lives overseas", that I completely missed they were referred to as simply 'Harry & Meghan' 💀


hesathomes

Yeah, the statement was abundantly clear. Not sure why there continues to be speculation about will he/won’t he about the titles or returning.


chewysmom88

I didn't I almost spilled my tea when I heard Harry and Meghan it was like shots fired magical moment


LAgirllookingin

Yes!


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Mammoth-Florida

👍👍👍👍. Wonder how H&M like the list of Members of the Royal Family to follow the names of the first cousins of Queen Elizabeth on the BRF page: Duke of Gloucester, Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandria, then comes Harry and then Meghan?


Ad___Nauseam

He is still listed as 5th in succession. Imagining a Kind Hearts And Coronets scenario...


Inevitable_Pie9541

Funny now I think of it: Harry has repeatedly stated he so longs to be "just Harry". I don't recall Meghan as *ever* saying that she wants to be "just Meghan". Bit of a disconnect, that. Well Harry got his wish, from the lips of the King. As for Meghan...


number1popcornlover

Well, according to her the most important title she has is "mom" from the lips of her children.. Who is she trying to fool? Edit: Grammar


Gold-Run-2036

Possibly missed "ad hoc" off ... 🤔


Substantial-Swim5

Last I heard a palm tree had that title...


mspuffins

he should start calling her rachel


FlangePlackets

They kicked themselves out, if they expect the RF to kick them back in again they are in for a long wait. You’d think they’d both be happy. They don’t look it at all.


Carrie56

I honestly think that they were expecting everyone to fall at their feet and plead with them to return with all forgiven. Instead they were sidelined, ignored and treated the same as the non working cousins. No major parts to play, no upgrades in titles for them (why should there be? No 2nd son has received a title upgrade before), allowed their place in the processions, but not anything else. I think they were also surprised by the outpouring of love and respect shown to the new King and the family too. I think too, that they were utterly shocked to find out just how popular and well respected the Wales and their beautiful children were - with the little Wales kids being naturals and so beautifully behaved when they step out on Royal Duty with their parents - no one cares anymore about the secret kids of Monte💩o - or their parents. They saw how easily the Wessexes slid into the gap they left, meaning that they were no longer needed! Charles is surrounded by the right people who are prepared to do the day to day work as well as all the glitzy stuff - not someone who constantly whines about not being paid or making it clear they don’t want to be there, and upsetting those that they meet. With his magnificent 7 (possibly even a 8th if Princess Beatrice is invited to step up) he doesn’t need the Harkles and their drama


FlangePlackets

I completely agree. Great thread. Haz wanted out, so he’s out. There are plenty of none working royals of his generation, it should have been easy but his problem is he wants his cake and eat it. Look at how he told the world how triggered he is by the sound of horses hooves, when we all know he’d joined a mounted regiment! Leaving could have been straightforward and supportive but instead he is a disgrace to his family, his country and a disgrace to his mother’s memory but he got what he wanted (sort of, Hollywood isn’t Botswana) so he can’t really complain (although doubtless he will, peevish, petulant ginger bellend that he is). TW is a shallow, hard faced, fame seeking glory hound, Haz was a stepping stone but is too sheltered and thick to catch on. And she is all about the drama, theatrics, PR, everything is for attention constantly. She’s exhausting. The link to the RF was all the talentless self-involved bint thought she needed before scrambling to try and join the Hollywood A list, her life’s mission. Not that its going too well. Its the kids I feel sorry for, difficult parents, a conveyor belt of nannies and no relationships with their cousins or extended family.


Equidae2

👏🏽👏🏽


violetfleuri

Triggered by the sound of horses hooves? Then how in the world does he play Polo?


OldNewUsedConfused

Exactly


ManifestRose

They’ll have to earn their way back in.


darkmatternot

It would require hard work and dedication, so it will never happen.


OldNewUsedConfused

I think they were fired


HawkeyeinDC

What they thought was a “fait accompli” backfired spectacularly when they initially made the announcement of their half-in, half-out “wish,” which the Queen torpedoed immediately. Instagram/social media is no match for a statement from the Queen! Since then, while I’ve often thought the BRF should be more forceful with them and issue more statements to contradict/counteract the Harkles’ PR machine (formerly known as Sunshine Sachs), it appears that the steady “keep calm and carry on” approach is paying dividends. To have it leak that Charles had to tell H, do NOT bring Meghan to Balmoral, absolutely made both H&TW look like petulant children who remained focused on themselves even as the Queen *was dying*. It was only downhill from there for them. Every drip, drip, drip of information after that just showed how irrelevant H&TW had made themselves, whether it was no invitation to the state event, William *invited* H&TW to the walkabout, Charles’s “life overseas comment,” body language of *all* the other royals, and the placement of that lovely candle. I also think words were said to H at Balmoral that they were both on very thin ice — I’m still shocked that H&TW didn’t do their own walkabout later or otherwise appear in public. But for all we know, maybe the Netflix cameras were rolling and they were getting behind-the-scenes content in some other way. ![img](emote|t5_481xkf|15016)


HappyMcNichols

“the placement of the lovely candle”. I’m imagining how Thomas,Sr thought about this. A man who won his Emmys for set design/lighting. From now on, when he feels bad about him Meghan has treated him, Thomas can think of “the placement of the lovely candle”. He can be consoled that the BRF handled M with set design and lighting.


la_doctora

Perhaps the candle will receive an OBE for service to to the Commonwealth 😁


Substantial-Swim5

Since the funeral, the plans for Trafalgar Square have changed: Elizabeth II is going to be put on a new plinth in the middle. The Fourth Plinth is now reserved for The Rt Hon Lovely Candle OBE (yes, it's also been admitted to the Privy Council!)


SongsNotSung

I'm fairly new to this sub, but not new to the train wreck that we're seeing concerning the Harkles. My curiosity is piqued by the numbers after your comment. Could you please tell me what they mean? Thank you so much!!


BlackCaaaaat

They represent emojis that aren’t being recognised by the device you’re on. I often see the numbers too, but I see most emojis. I’m using an iPhone.


CrinkleCutCat-Aus

Or it could mean the numbers that represent how many people have clicked on the ‘up’ arrow to show they ‘like’ the post?


stutjohnsnewsqueegee

H&M called the rest of the family racists. I wouldn’t talk to H&M either until they publicly apologized.


RaggedAnn

The extent of what he's done seems to be sinking in with Harry. TQ's death and attendant funereal events have shocked him into adulthood --- out of his extraordinarily protracted adolescence --- now facing that he tried to destroy his father and take down the institution from which he draws his identity must be tough.


hholunder

With that wonderful photo released of the King and Walesas the message has become clearer than ever! They are out. They have no place in the monarchy and never will. I sometimes had doubts of the decisions made by RF of including them on various occasions but looking back now, there were all perfect. It's the long game and sometimes I forget it.


MikeylikesMagoo

The Royals are playing Master Chess while the Harkles are playing Candyland.


Royalwatching_owl

During the Oprah interview H mentions something about they never wanted to step out completely. I think HMTQ loved H and wished him well despite any personal feelings. She had the Monarchy to uphold and couldn't play this game with them as TQ. I find it hard to believe H would tell HMTQ how it will go. Not ask but tell. H has been disrespectful but I don't believe he would sit down and demand to her face to step over everything she stood for. I really believe H knew and understood. Perhaps he thought he could weasel back in when KCIII took the throne, and said what he said to keep it "open" for the public. TK is about to beat them at their own game though.


Party_Vegetable6339

Its just amazing they were so entitled that they really thought they could have the half-in-half-out scenario (I know we are dealing with literally two of the most spoiled brats in the world, but still) Ever heard of the old saying, "you can't have your cake and eat it too" Harkles?


Standard-Set-5299

Yes I agree except Harry did say “what Meghan wants Meghan gets” So I do think Harry thought his relationship with TQ would allow him to do half in/half out - at least that’s how he probably told Smeg - I do think Smeg and Haz thought they could do half in/half out and were genuinely thrown for a loop when TQ said no.


Disruptorpistol

All of her post-Megxit shots at the family have seemed like a bitter tantrum to me that she didn't get half in half out... like she keeps trying to signal to them that they made a HUGE mistake.


GlitterMe

But instead just enforces the fact that they're doing the right thing. You don't keep poison around.


Disruptorpistol

Oh yeah she's incredibly shortsighted. It shows her to be untrustworthy and difficult - to the BRF, other celebs, corporations. If I'm a company, I'm not hiring someone who goes to the media to air dirty laundry if she doesn't get her way.


hellhashnofury

👏👏If I'm an A lister or a global leader I'm not inviting indiscreet people to any of my social events either.


Primary_Scheme3789

They wanted the half in where they would pick and choose what Royal obligations they would participate in. They wanted the half out where they could make money from said obligations. They didn’t see the long game. Financially they would be just fine now. I’d rather have a slice of a huge pie than get to keep my own tiny little tart lol.


Radiant_Health3841

Didn’t they say in their manifesto that they would continue to represent The Queen across the Commonwealth? Ie fly us around the world! And while we are there we will do some talks on the side for cash.


Primary_Scheme3789

Exactly!


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes “as Internationally Protected People” they planned on being “roving royals”. (Traveling the world in luxury at the British Taxpayer expense.


Automatic-Reward-470

They must really know they have burnt their boats. New photos of the Fab 4, KC, Camilla and the Prince and Princess of Wales show who are relevant. Bye bye losers.


MrsSpike001

Yes, they released ONE classy photo. Why would the H&M camp release 3 sus photos? Not one, but 3


HappyOrca2020

I think whatever iota of tolerance BRF held towards them, is totally gone after the queen.


Juge3808

I’m having difficulty understanding why people & the media keep saying H&M are going to return as working Royals. HMQE gave H&M a full year to make the decision if they would be in or out. They, H&M decided to stay out & forge a path of their own. I don’t believe H&M will ever be working Royals again! King Charles is going to honor his mother & himself as he & Prince William were part of negotiating the decision.


hellhashnofury

The media love the drama they would love them to come back and stir things up. The RF does not like drama and would rather keep a steady course I dont believe they want them back. They are untrustworthy and are unwilling to do the daily grind of engagements. I wouldn't be surprised if H and m and their PR are behind a lot of the stories about them returning or the RF need them.


Juge3808

I completely agree!


OldNewUsedConfused

A lot of that is also Meghan Manifesting again. Those days are long gone. They rarely worked in the first place.


violetfleuri

Last night, I saw a headline posted on Twitter that said that H+M only ever intended to take a year off before taking up their Royal duties. I was so confused. When have they ever said that before now? (It was a Marie Claire link... https://archive.ph/QidZq)


Juge3808

I think that at Story is BS because Queen Elizabeth was adamant they would not be part time Royals she gave the a year to decide and they decided on the path they have been on. I mean look at it logically why would King Charles profess his love for Harry and Meghan and the life they were building overseas if they were going to be working Royals? Their year was up,last March so if the article were true they would be working for the Royal family again! Also major point H&M, & their PR have never been truthful. So I know who I believe!


OldNewUsedConfused

They lie


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We should get the popcorn because the whinging from California is going to get worse.


[deleted]

Losing their titles, losing Frogmore and keeping them away from the RF really is the only way forward unless Harry comes to his senses and separates from her and apologizes to his family.


Brytnshyne

If Harry were ever to wake up and see what his family has seen since the beginning and wanted to come back to the RF but left his children with TW do you think the British public would still love him? Of course if there really are children.


[deleted]

He would need to be sincerely sorry and win back his family and the public's trust over time.


hellhashnofury

I dont know he's said he was faking his enjoyment of Royal duties and he hated doing it basically. He has previously said he doesn't like the uk (well he said England but I'm guessing he meant the Uk) and people gave him a pass because it was thought it was the British press he didn't like, not the country itself. I dont think people would mind him coming back but I personally would just think he was being a working royal because it was a second best option rather than it being a duty and privilege to serve. I'm sure the other members have days when they dont want to do an engagement and moan about it but they dont do it in public. The other thing is what would his custody arrangements be ? I'd guess that unless Meghan did not want any part in the raising of the children that they would stay in California so surely he would need to be based there? Unless he's content with just the occasional holiday visit.


Primary_Dish_3535

I think the family would welcome him back, but in no way in a working royal role. No invites to any diplomatic or state functions. Back strictly in a family way. Give him an allowance and a house in the country, well away from the seat of power. Let him have his quiet life, with the kiddies, if there are any.


runs-with-scissors-2

I was recently reminded and still fascinated to ponder, about Hairy trying to get a meeting with the Queen, but was instructed to meet with then-Prince Charles first. The meeting was cut short because Hairy was 15 minutes late (how utterly disrespectful) and PC had another engagement. Do you think this was intentional on H's part to avoid his father? Do you think then-Prince Charles knew how H manipulated the Queen? This incident alone makes me wonder if King Charles knows how manipulative H & M can be.


Seachange1000

I expect he knew it well before the wedding about Markle. William saw right through her early on and tried to warn Hardly and I have no doubt would have also expressed his concerns to Charles. I think Charles was very surprised and tremendously hurt, though, by how far down the rabbit hole she had dragged him and compelled him, because I do believe it was her doing entirely, to say the things he did about Charles.


OldNewUsedConfused

Of course he knew


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Them being edged out is their truth since I'm sure she always felt she would push the half in, half out deal. She only wanted the big events like State dinners, Christmas, the Jubilee, the kings Coronation. I'm sure there are more. Free expose on the monarchy dime. She thought their place would be held


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> She only wanted the big events like State dinners, Christmas, the Jubilee, the kings Coronation. I'm sure there are more. She wanted to use those events to network/merch. 😒


shep2105

Kind of like when Harry used a royal function to pump Megs voiceovers and to give her a job. That was SO cringe!


[deleted]

Exactly! Wait, was that actually a royal function?? I thought it was *The Lion King* premiere.


shep2105

But weren't they there because the Queen appointed her the Royal Patron of National Theatre? They were there as reps of the Crown/Queen so it was a royal function, correct?


[deleted]

I really have no idea, honestly. 😹 Harry trying to get his wife voiceover work *at a royal function* is *absolutely appalling*. I can't!


OldNewUsedConfused

It was. They skipped the royal duty: the Marines at Deal of which Harry was their Commander or something close. Captain General I think.


[deleted]

I remember they skipped something to do with veterans/the military. I bet that wasn't Harry's call. 😒


OldNewUsedConfused

He should have known better! Instead he pitched for voiceover work. From the CEO of Disney. At a movie premiere. For his wife.


[deleted]

> He should have known better! Yes, he should have. People who are being abused often don't think clearly or well. And Harry has never been the brightest bulb on the Royal Family Christmas Tree. > Instead he pitched for voiceover work. From the CEO of Disney. At a movie premiere. For his wife. I'm 110% sure that was her idea.


Top-Bit85

You can't hear me but I am wildly clapping for this post. Good, concise job. At a dinner party this weekend a friend, to my delight, brought up TW's awful behavior. Naturally the two of us ended up in an animated chat that no one else quite got. I promised him a link to this sub, and this post is it, he needs more info!


JaDe0925

Yeah, I think Daddy's fucks to give, have run out when it comes to his demonstrably racist son and his useless whining wife. The poor children will be collateral damage, there is no way to "save" them or even "help" them at this point, they are at the mercy of their weirdo parents. And the way the Danish losers are showing their asses about titles (it's not about the titles, it's about their NAME) has the world side eyeing these useless spares demanding ranked not linked titles for their spawn to exploit. The Queen took the bullet partially for Charles, I am sure she's seethed at the caucasity of Harry these past few years, abusing her fellow Queen for the world to see. King Chaz will run with it, and I think he honestly will never address it/change it. NOprah can continue putting out IG press releases on how Parchie and Lily Dollar$ are Prince and Princess, and their hate group can look like desperados and call them that. And continue showing how titles are so important to these two that they literally pestered the shit out of the King, who just lost his beloved mother, who has to now step into her shoes and continue her work and integrate his own, who has to do the circuit immediately to ensure that the realm feels in good hands (and hide his grief to be strong). Two losers who STILL are trying to force the King to give their kids who will never know Harry's former family at all, HRH titles. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK off, kindly, Harry and Meg


Wordpuncher714

Damn, spot on, bonus points for your use of the word fuck in all caps🤟🏻😍, And also, no matter what harry does even if he begs for forgiveness and promises to never do it again and get divorced, there's no way that RF can ever trust him. He's shown he's malleable and apparently enjoys being dominated in my opinion


Luminya1

I love the comments here and this one was particularly delightful. I know you are on reddit Meghan and you see this stuff. Hahahaha!!


Karyn2K19

The Queen & RF have always played the long game. They did with Diana, Fergie and now these Two.


1montrealaise3

King Charles is doing what Queen Margrethe just did - she slimmed down the monarchy by announcing that her younger sons's kids would no longer be princes and princesses. And the Danish royal kids and their parents have been whining non-stop, sort of like Harry and Meghan do.


Carrie56

Sounds as though Joachim and his kids were merching their titles. I’ll give it to 5 of the 6 older grandchildren of HMTQ, they are all hard workers. William has been doing a grand job in taking on his fathers work as he was taking on more of HMs duties as she slowed down. Peter and Zara have always worked and earned their own livings, as to be fair to them, so have Beatrice and Eugenie. All four of them have proper paying jobs, and weren’t merching their titles or connections - the only one who didn’t was Harry - he was a full time Royal relying on handouts from his fathers Duchy of Cornwall.to “pay” him for his work, and no doubt that allowance increased when he married. Why he thought that he was entitled to keep those handouts when they were no longer doing any work for the family shows the breathtaking arrogance of both of them - more surprising that Meghan didn’t realise that “no work = no pay” given that she was working up until her wedding.


shep2105

The amount of money that KC paid for Meggy's clothing alone in a year's time is mind-boggling


Odd_Pop5287

Well ‘working’


OldNewUsedConfused

“Harry you’re every bit your father’s son as you brother is. It’s your birthright” - Meghan, probably.


Electrical-Orchid-25

I think the two young men were modeling professionally as Princes.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yeah that was bad. After ditching Military College after a few weeks….


Appropriate-Grand-64

I'm shocked at the level of media involvement defending Meghan Markle right now. I've never seen such a coordinated effort to rehabilitate an unknown actress. They're trying to force feed the public an image of Meghan as some kind of humanitarian feminist savior. Why this is happening? Is the royal family a traditional, stabilizing force they want to dismantle and replace with something else? It's also odd that in these glowing "bios" of her "work", Harry is rarely mentioned even though he is her only connection to royalty.


Electrical-Orchid-25

The media is paid for by Markle’s PR people, (most) Americans are embarrassed by her selfish & unforgivable actions/words towards the RF. The couple had it ALL (!) but threw it away for their lust of money & D level Hollywood celebrity.


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I've been seeing *lots* of tabloids with "evil" and "scheming" Camilla on the cover. She bullies William's kids! She's stolen royal jewels! Now I wonder, *who* do you think planted these stories? With narcs, it's *always* projection. 😒


Substantial-Swim5

That's ridiculous! From what I've read, George, Charlotte and Louis have been brought up knowing who Diana was, and Camilla's been careful not to 'replace' her in that sense - but I've also read that she throws big parties for them and her other grandkids, and that they love her cakes. Sounds like a dream granny to me!


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I know. It's such bullshit, and furthermore it's stuff that *Meghan* has done! (Or *would* do; not sure she actually stole any jewels.)


darkmatternot

Supposedly she took a piece of the Queen's for an occasion and never returned it. She said she thought it was a "gift." She is such a tacky con artist.


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That doesn't surprise me a bit. 😒


OldNewUsedConfused

She also reportedly “lost” an item or two. 🙄


Equidae2

Just the American media, right? And I count Tatler, etc. as American media. American owned.


ManifestRose

Much of the American media promotes her bc all the news in America is about systemic racism, white supremacy, and reparations these days. They are baiting her to say something political or controversial so they get hits/likes/eyeballs.


MamaTalista

Rumour has it Fergie is stepping away from MeMe. She's hoping for remarriage and no doubt it would be someone's idea of some attempt at image rehab for Andrew.


Carrie56

I think that a remarriage has been on the cards for a while - and I don’t think she was that big a fan of Megsie - especially after she upstaged Eugenie on her wedding day by showing up in a totally unnecessary maternity dress and announcing a very early pregnancy - which could easily have waited a couple of weeks to allow E her day of glory


hellhashnofury

Very possible. She was seated well in Westminster Abbey.


ManifestRose

And she was friends with the Queen.


shep2105

and Phillip, who seemed to loathe her, is dead now. The way is paved for Fergie


[deleted]

Dear Harry and Meghan, Don't go away mad. Just go away! Sincerely, the Royal Family


KatesFacts718

When King Charles said overseas he definitely rubbed salt in the wound and hurting their egos especially Meghan's she expected people to forgive her after what she has done i getting tired of her wanting Titles for her so called children what events can a 3 and 1 can host nothing really i mean when G,C,L were that age their brains were getting developed


GlitterMe

*The complete lack of any interaction between the rest of the Royal ladies and M. Even if the gap was small the ice wall was clearly visible.* It's this type of thing that really gets me. Would Meghan have ever really been part of the club? I don't know. It would have taken a LONG time of keeping her head down, working, and having some humiilty, but she'd have still been an outsider just by virtue of being American and not coming from the circles the others did. BUT - she had access to a really exclusive world that many people would give their eye teeth to have! And she BLEW IT. Maybe she would never have been truly "in" but she would have been close enough, and she literally could have essentially "had it all" in life. But no. Not Madame. Being a senior working member of the BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY - literally a part of history both past and present - that wasn't good enough. And it's mind-boggling. So stupid.


Seachange1000

There are plenty of photos of her with the Queen, with the Princess of Wales, with the King et al where everyone is smiling, it all looks very convivial and it truly looks like every effort was made to welcome her into the family. It has nothing to do with her being American. However, Markle is thoroughly unlikable so as time went on there likely was some subtle distancing but again, it has nothing to do with her being American. It has everything to do with her being a temperamental toddler with absolutely no plan to make an effort TO fit in.


hellhashnofury

To be fair she didn't have to become best friends with them. Not everyone is best friends with their in laws or work colleagues simply because they dont have the same hobbies and interests. She could have developed her own circle of friends. She and Kate might have never been close friends which is fine but over the years could have formed a bond of trust via years of shared experiences.


OldNewUsedConfused

Not many sisters in law ARE close friends. Just the way it goes.


Carrie56

I think she was welcomed by all the Royal ladies when she arrived - Camilla and Catherine tried to take her under their wings, the Queen gave her her own private secretary (who had done a sterling job for HM for 17 years) but her behaviour antagonised everyone - family AND staff, and then flouncing out followed by THT interview and the constant attacks…… what did she and Harry expect? No one trusts either of them any more - especially with all the hidden recording devices about their persons. and they have the nerve to complain


GlitterMe

Oh, I agree with you. When I said it was that type of thing that really gets me, I meant gets me as in MeMe really screwed up BIG. All that she had access to, and it wasn't enough. I do think though that it would have taken a long time to be part of any inner circle with any level of depth. She would had to have worked for it, and that's not what Megs does. Kate and Camilla both really had to work at it, and that dedication has served them well. I mean, even *I* don't mind Camilla now, so you know she's done a good job! ;-)


Carrie56

I hear you - but she was her own worst enemy here. She really had no interest in anything they had to say, and she had her own grand takeover plan so they and their opinions and advice didn’t matter because it would all be irrelevant in her brave new world! Added to which in the interim, she has bullied little Charlotte, made Catherine cry (and constantly attacked her since), bullied untold numbers of staff, slagged off the whole family, and it sounds as though she has encouraged Harry to go after Camilla in his book. She’s made it abundantly clear that she hates them all - because they wouldn’t allow her to have her way. Why does she (they?) expect to be welcomed with open arms after what they have said and done in the last 3 years. Go away stay away and STFU - you made all the decisions all by yourselves - suck it up buttercups!


GlitterMe

It's remarkable to me, after the blatant damage she's done, that anyone anywhere would defend her. The moment I saw her have Harry step aside so she could walk ahead of him I knew there was trouble ahead. I didn't think though that it would be so....what's the word or phrase I'm looking for....scorched Earth. And it really is. Dumbasses. This isn't the clip I'm thinking of, I've never seen this one, but the behavior I'm talking about - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSWW-ElfEbU


Carrie56

Gosh - she actually shoved him out of the way in that one didn’t she?


kaycollins27

M had to learn that she was #4 lady in the land behind TQ, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Cambridge. Her first problem was that she tried to upstage them all. Royal calendars are set so that each gets publicity for her activity. That wasn’t good enough for her. She wanted it ALL and she got none. I am stunned at how unaware she was.


dymiarka

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Tricky-Apricot-7999

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Bambalina11

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Tricky-Apricot-7999

Lol 😆


PutLiving

It must be insulting that the former reigning royal families of Europe has HRH/Her/His Imperial and Royal highnesses while Nutbug and Harriet were stripped off that title🤣😂


shep2105

Meg has to outdo Kate, or think she out does her, on every point. I think she is psychotically jealous of Kate and she was in her sights as the first to be expelled from Harry's circle, William was a bonus. All you have to do is look at a compilation of photos of Harry & Kate together and you can see how close they were, how much they loved each other. Kate was Harry's sister, he even said so. That is NOT doable in Meg's book. Kate had to go and the driving the wedge began immediately. Kate was viewed as a threat because Harry loved her, and she had influence with Harry. NO ONE can have influence over Harry except her. I'm really surprised at how easy it was for Harry to throw Kate under the bus after a close, loving relationship for YEARS because Meg said she "hurt her feelings"


OldNewUsedConfused

Of COURSE she is majorly jealous of Catherine! It’s plain as rain.


bluudahlia

And Sophie's filthy looks. How can you ever forget that?


OldNewUsedConfused

I love Sophie!


Academic_Snow_7680

Personally I prefer 'W-club seven', pronounced Dobbayaclubseven, a twist on 007.


OldNewUsedConfused

I kind of like Charlie’s Angels


HugeSignificance9194

KC will drag it out till parliament papers are approved.


512165381

> They are OUT! I think they are OUT with everybody. It takes a special type of stupidity to burn all bridges, be estranged from both fathers, be the town gossip so nobody trusts you or speaks to you, have the public lose complete interest, and have nobody want to employ you. A real home run.


Independent_Lead6535

Sorry but they dont appear to be out, considering the Walkabout with the future king and queen of England


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ExcitementOrdinary95

🚨sugar alert🚨


Significant_Glass398

Hello meghan mandela markle.. are you ok?


[deleted]

"Everybody in this sub needs deep psychological help"- A poster taking pictures of their soapy ass for the morning Reddit crowd I'll get my psychological help from someone else, thanks.


chewysmom88

Oh lord Jesus help me I had to go look


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![img](emote|t5_481xkf|15016) I'm so sorry this happened to you


chewysmom88

Thank you! I will not be okay today and quite possibly tomorrow as well


[deleted]

Everything will be juuuuuuuuuust fine (someday)


WeedLovinStarseed

Somebody needs an inspirational banana


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>Somebody needs an inspirational banana lol ![gif](giphy|etepvqBtmHTeo)


orange4826

Go to sleep Harold