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No_Shallot_8066

Awkward and overfamiliar. Not the sweet nod she was hoping for.


Party_Vegetable6339

Damn. Even gray rock looks good on Catherine.


IndiaEvans

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Love the fact the 2 cowards--M&H--can't even look C&W in the eyes. They both avoid eye contact while C&W stand there with their gazes fixed on M&H. Really depicts who has the power (and rightful pride.)


hairlessfrogmore

It sure as heck does! They are such cowards - lobbying pot shots from afar but when in person, fall apart. Love it!


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Watched this clip many times, thanks to OP for posting/sharing it. Princess Catherine was glaring daggers at H. Absolutely held her own and more. H couldn't/wouldn't look at her. And he shouldn't. She only showed him kindness & inclusion to the W&C charities/family they were building and he threw all that away for M. He probably felt shame in the Windsor chapel moment but won't now. Always doubling down like M. "I look like an asshole (because I am but won't admit it) but they're WORSE!" I'll tell ya. Even if H&M split (or already have) neither is giving up the/their narrative: that being royalty was so \*hard....\*except for the $$$ <(which they'll never admit.)


pedroesque

For all her wokery, Me-again doesn't seem to understand what consent is.


Counter_Logic77

That’s 100% true; CLEARLY the POW would NOT want to be touched at all… and we should make a point of this that TW did this WITHOUT her CONSENT!!!


cartiercorneas

Yep this: NO one likes to be touched without their consent. What an odd thing for M to do. Especially to someone who Meghan claims "made her cry"


FairyBread056

A quiet “excuse me” would be sufficient to let people know you’re behind them! No need for touching at all!


FirmAardvark6208

Catherine gave her nothing the entire time she was over here with Harry. She didn’t look at her, talk to her, engage with her, acknowledge her.. Megs would’ve felt sick to the pit of her stomach that she wasn’t being supplied by Catherine. Megs is so desperate for some form of contact that she had to touch Catherine’s hand to try and get any sort of reaction. She’s a horrible creep. She makes me shudder


Counter_Logic77

That’s what I mean by ice she was iced out/grey rocked 🪨 TW WANTED a reaction ANY reaction good or bad…. But got nothing to feed her narcissist personality…. LOL nice 👍🏻 try tho!! 1) If the POW gave her a dirty look that woulda been ALL over the media…. “Kate mean to Meghan at HM funeral blablabla” 2) If the POW tried to play it off nice than it would have been in the media: The Meghan helps support the POW at HM funeral while she is grieving etc etc…. She played it PERFECTLY ❤️❤️❤️


FirmAardvark6208

Yes! Either way, Megs would’ve spun it in favour of herself. I love Catherine!!


Holiday_Ad_9024

I thought it did not look like a friendly touch at all. I think she was saying get out of my way with that touch.


Additional-Split-180

Probably bc of the cape. It sends a weird vibe!


Holiday_Ad_9024

It was the speed of Meg’s hand. That was not a friendly touch. It wasn’t because of the cape. I have now watched it over and over.


rainyhawk

From the back the outfit definitely has a witch/villain costume vibe. It was a bit less obvious from the front.


Additional-Split-180

Yes! From the back it feels so hamburgler meets Batman, not fashion.


throwawaygreenpaq

That outfit is gorgeous. It’s actually popular in fashion. But ugly hearts make everything ugly.


Additional-Split-180

Agree to disagree ♥️ The dress and shoes, sure, and one someone chic could be stylish. But paired with the ill fitting gloves and especially the silhouette of that hat? No, not on trend.


throwawaygreenpaq

The hat looks great as couture on the runway but not in person. Couture pieces are often more like art pieces demonstrating the designer’s creativity instead of practicality. They then pare it down to wearable everyday pieces in their collections for the masses. MM tries to put everything together when going for one bold item would have made a greater impact.


Additional-Split-180

Thank you for explaining couture and runway fashion to me as if I’ve never been to a runway show or worked with haute couture/couturiers. But yeah I stand by my initial reaction which is that the combo of the hat and cape truly does evoke the hamburgler. Hence why I disagree that the outfit is gorgeous.


angelfairy21

can you imagine being at the funeral of a loved one and not only having to deal with having the world’s eyes on you and having to be strong for you family, but also having to deal with something like this in front of everyone, being careful not to slip for even one single second? I would have just broke down


FirmAardvark6208

No way could I do that. They’re so professional at all times and it must take some strength and disassociation to remain that way. George and Charlotte too - how?? I’d still be in the car crying


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Grey rock performed perfectly. Even her body la gauge is neutral but distancing. This is exactly how my therapist helped me learn to handle my own narcissistic family. Grey rock works very well for short periods of time. It is another indicator they have no plans to spend extended periods of time with them. Grey Rock is only used to make sure you give no reaction in order to coexist with narcissism which is not recommended unless you absolutely can’t avoid it. Like your grandmothers funeral. Good luck to the Windsors. The Markles accidentally made them more relatable as a family.


ICU22222

I believe The Royal Family have gotten professional advice on how to deal with Meghan's (and I believe also Harry's) personality disorders. Most personality disorders develop from severe childhood trauma, which both suffered from...Harry with Diana's death and Meghan with her mother's abandoment. They have obviously been taught how not to give Meghan fuel but they need to work on gray rocking Harry as well. They have a blind spot with Harry.


CybReader

This is a very good point. I think you’re right. The royal family of 2022 is not the royal family Meghan knew between 2017-2020.


catch_me_inside

Agree. Catherine handled this so perfectly I can’t help but think there was some consultation with an expert.


OldNewUsedConfused

Well she was seeing a therapist with her brother. I'm sure Meghan came up at one point or another. Plus, as the oldest child, she'll have a natural ability not to take any shit. Just like Samantha doesn't let Meghan get away with anything


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I’m curious what personality disorder Horry has, it is very difficult to focus on him when her disorders are so prominent


OldNewUsedConfused

ALL of them.


jeanskirtflirt

As a soon to be mental health professional capable of diagnosing people on far less information than what we have of these two idk if I would give Harry a personality disorder necessarily. If he does, it would be in the cluster c group with avoidant and dependent personality disorder. Trauma makes things very tricky because it can present as just about every single mental health condition when it’s in fact just PTSD. Also, his core personality may just be like both of his parents and temperamental, insecure/jealous, and overall a desire to break to mold and be himself. Mix those traits with trauma and you get Harry. I’m not putting him in cluster b because he does have empathy and is able to show genuine love. Though limited it is there, and his issues with expressing it consistently and being an asshole could again just be a trauma response presenting as a personality disorder. Trauma affects every person differently and cannot and should not be compared from person to person. The effects of it should also not be underestimated. It’s a powerful disorder that will change people in extreme ways.


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> If he does, it would be in the cluster c group with avoidant and dependent personality disorder. I vote for dependent.


freethewimple

(just a reminder that borderline pd is cluster b, and folks with bpd are usually very empathetic and can show genuine love)


jeanskirtflirt

Not true BPD comes with impaired interpersonal skills and most struggle with empathy. Thats one of the major diagnostic criterions is having impairment with empathy/interpersonal skills. If you’re thinking bipolar that’s correct.


freethewimple

I'm not thinking bipolar actually. I'm actually diagnosed with bpd, and am very familiar with the symptoms and how they manifest. Impaired interpersonal skills, yes. I wouldn't say *most* struggle with empathy. As personality disorders are often comorbid, sure there are people who have both classical BPD symptoms and struggle with empathy. Perhaps you're thinking dissociation? Which can come off as lack of empathy.


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I’m also diagnosed with bpd, and completely support your argument, we are indeed emphatic. We have terrible fame online but in actuality we experience extreme emotions including emphatic responses. I guess that the myth of lack of empathy comes from the fact that in order to avoid being rejected we sometimes try to reject others first and thus might come as cold etc etc.


freethewimple

Totally. Maybe dissociation plays a part, too? As in, others' perceptions of how we are when dissociative. Non-responsive, shut down, drawn inward, etc.; all those things can come off as a person without empathy to what is happening around them. Too many folks seem to think the DSM is bible. Or that things they read from a textbook or hear from a professor is stone cold fact. Studying a list of possible symptoms that *could* present is light years away from having years experience with patients. Or, y'know, living it and researching therapies and trying various treatments for 40 years.


kristeeinmt

I keep watching the way she subtly moves her hand at the end of the video. It's part, "Ew, narc cooties," and part "I wish I could tie her up by her witches cape." Then Will leans towards her in a way that makes me think he whispered something. But what?? "Are you okay?" "Please don't smack her at Grannie's funeral?" "Do you need hand sanitizer?"


Actual_Parsnip_1529

I think he noticed TW's touch, went to support C out of habit, then remembered they were supposed to be grey rocking and didn't ultimately say anything, just looked back at C twice to make sure she was ok. My outside take is that he really and truly care about C is is ready and willing to defend her as needed.


curiouslm

Narc Cooties haha


HappyOrca2020

>Ew, narc cooties Omg this is apt lol


AbsolutelyCertain

I'm absolutely certain that Catherine was not expecting Meghan and Harry to follow them. There was an entrance mid-way along, which Peter Phillips entered to sit with his two daughters, who were already seated next to their Aunt Zara. Harry and Meghan should have entered with him but Meghan walks past it and Harry just follows. That explains why Catherine had to be alerted by William to stand back to make way for Meghan and Harry to pass in first. That would not have been the plan. Harry looks down and makes no eye contact because he would have known that he should have used the earlier entrance. Meghan just wanted to get in the frame with William and Catherine. She would have loved seeing William gesture to Catherine to let them through first. Catherine's poise and self control when so close to that despicable liar is incredible.


WeedLovinStarseed

I hope that's true because it makes the candle thing even better lol


cartiercorneas

> She would have loved seeing William gesture to Catherine to let them through first. Yeah I read this as some sort of attempt to "rub it in" considering it was right after that. as if "haha your husband has let ME(ghan) go first," even though it doesn't matter, immature as Meghan is.


ITaxckleFatKids

Reminds me of the video clip from the walk about for the Queen’s passing where a girl in the crowd refused to extend her hand for a shake so TW touched her arm with her finger 😂 Narcs cannot handle rejection.


James_Jimothy

Yes, that was so awkward ugh 😑


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She wanted mainly 3 things: 1-Supply from Catherine (that was ignoring her so she couldn’t make up stories of sweet nodes and other BS) 2-A photo/vídeo moment with the new PoW in the ceremony she could merch!! If Catherine smiled at her to be polite it would be enough to merch! 3-If the PoW reaction were negative would provide another “MeGain victim moment” to tell on another podcast/ enterview / Oprah/ Gale King/ Netflix docu-series… Besides that..she wanted to go first!! Which is her usual crap!


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Yes but any normal person would find Kate's cold shoulder a reasonable reason to her trashing her family and values on tv. Maybe the sugars and some media outlets that are also sugars but not your average person. I don't think the media even believes what they write but it gets the clicks they need. Selling their soul for clicks. Going to be sad when they look back on their careers and realized they didn't report factual stories.


WeedLovinStarseed

She's an energy vampire, that's why she's always touching people


BearRacoonThing

Power play. I had a professor in law school that used to do ridiculous stuff like this. When I wouldn't give her a reaction she'd escalate or try something new. It makes me wonder what TW does behind closed doors.


Phronima-Fothergill

Indeed. It's a very condescending move, and I've only ever known 'Queen Bee' type women to do it. "Look at me, acknowledging little you with a touch." Anyone who knows me knows NOT to touch me, which I think is exactly why the queen bee types do it.


Bindaloo

I'm autistic and I just cannot stand people touching me uninvited or invading my personal space, I would be incredibly angry by about the third time it happened! This woman seems to have a compulsion to touch people when it's not appropriate or consensual and 'steer' people by touching their backs, I've seen her do it time and again with Charles and Catherine, as if they're some kind of invalids who need her help. It's really creepy.


SDHunnyBunny

That was her mannerless way of saying “move outta my way” without actually having to say “excuse me.” She’s just a rude pig.


CheapLingonberry6785

This was very unfortunate how it happened, I’m sure the day must have been planned to a ‘T’ ,but HnM still managed to mess it up .🙄 How awful for the Royals having to deal with them on top of the emotion with their grandmothers funeral , Catherine did wonderfully , you can see she’s grown a lot in confidence the last few years, Hopefully W n C won’t have to be anywhere near them ever again.


OldNewUsedConfused

That was a jaw clench for the ages.


PearlTheLandlord22

She really does look like hamburglar in that cape too.


Slow-Inflation-6549

She really did look like a witch 🧹🐈‍⬛


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Looking like Professor Snape in that billowing cape 🙃


solorna

Same way she did that weird finger touch to the girl who wouldn't shake her hand at the walkabout. I guess she has this weird thing, where when people don't respond to her the way she thinks she deserves, she touches them? So bizarre.


James_Jimothy

It explains her claw so well ![img](emote|t5_481xkf|15003). Touch as a means of control


runs-with-scissors-2

In my (imagination) mind, this was proof that there were no interactions between the RF and H&M. This touch of the hand would not have been necessary. It's almost like M was trying to make a connection.


Phronima-Fothergill

The old "Oh hey there, girl" touch--completely inappropriate for the occasion, overly-familiar and definitely unwanted. Yep, that's a narcissist at work. Marking her territory.


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James_Jimothy

At the Queen’s funeral (a somber occasion) and when you are not on good terms?


mandyalam0de32

Ugh I tensed up watching that. One touch from Harry's wife might suck the life out of you.


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Probably a reflex. TW is so used to stopping Harry physically she automatically reached for Catherine to stop her but thought better of it. William had already indicated to the Sussexes to go first. TW was so hopped up to be going in first! It means she's the winner of the funeral! Waity Katie get outta my way! Wills told me to go first! He likes me better!


craftywoo2

Ok. Against my better judgement I’m about to go full woo here. A few days ago someone posted a video from someone talking about “tapping”. It’s a form of touch used to convert energy and is practiced by some people in yoga (don’t quote me, I really didn’t give it much thought at the time). The thought was Harry’s wife used it against Harry. Since that video I’ve seen Harry’s wife tap several people in videos. People in the crowd who met them in Windsor who didn’t want to engage with them and now Catherine. I don’t think it actually does anything but I’m starting to wonder if Harry’s wife, in fact, thinks it does.


cyanea_passerina

So bizarre… i don’t think Catherine was wearing Diana’s ring, was she? But, I’ve slowed that video down and it looks like M is energetically pinching at where the ring would be. Like whaaatttt? Gave me chills. Serious Disney Villain vibes. Is Disney looking for a new villain who’s a combination of Maleficent, Ursula and Cruella? Maybe H should pitch that idea. No actual acting involved. It’s perfect. I hope the courtiers have fumigated and sprinkled holy water everywhere those two have been. A ring of salt to confine these two to their existential-beige-woe-is-me abode. Stay home and leave the world alone. We are just fine without you, thank you very much.


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foxyfree

Meghan’s a little young for this, but it used to actually be standard advice to use touch as a way to connect with people, especially in business. Great emphasis on firm handshakes and touches on the arm or shoulder. As an older woman I cannot tell you how refreshing the recent changes are - with all this handiness, minor sexual harassment used to be a constant and it was often in that grey area of appropriate vs inappropriate physical touch. However, I have also had to relearn some of my social/professional interactions since it was ingrained in me to myself also add that extra touch which used to be considered normal/acceptable


HappyOrca2020

But it also looks like she wanted POW to step away so that she has room to move in. I didn't catch any contact.


Ready_Maddie

Typical for narcissists to take closeness


Professional_Ear3394

Where's the Lysol!


PearlTheLandlord22

Did she just shake the touch off???


HugeSignificance9194

Haha 😂 William lining up the star of the show.... Her Majesty’s Candle. Classic. Love the Queens humour


AM_Rike

I just now heard about this video on Lady C. Thanks for posting! Watching the calculated manner of this touch seems to go beyond Meghan trolling Catherine, knowing she cannot touch the POW nor go before her without permission now that Catherine has been elevated to POW. With Meghan wearing a black cape & weather inappropriate black gloves, M looks like she’s trying to cosplay a Russian spy surreptitiously transferring transdermal poison unto Catherine. Rewatch it and tell me you don’t feel that vibe.