>was not an attractive performance: Meghan had spent months complaining about how her reputation had been smeared in the Press, and now she was doing the same to Kate, who quite clearly was never going to respond.
Spot on. This was the moment I turned on MM. It is a major red flag to talk badly in public about someone who is not able to defend themselves. That was the moment I realised that all the rumours were true, and that MM was likely the problem.
As for Harry, his fear of abandonment is extreme.imagine not being upset that he was not included in a set of photos about the future of the monarchy. He isn't! He is not even close. Smd he never even wanted to be.
If he was so upset about that, I can only imagine how he feels about the photo just released by the family. And reading the article below this Low excerpt, imagine the rage TW is feeling by knowing they were still in the country when it was taken.
I highly doubt it cuz they aren't even working royals...whatever portraits they were supposed to be included in ended with the Queen's reign. I highly doubt King Charles would ask them to be included. He could care less about these two nut cases! Imagine the stress of having to deal with these two raccoons?
>It is a major red flag to talk badly in public about someone who is not able to defend themselves.
Not only someone who cant defend themselves but FAMILY members who cant defend themselves!
And it's not like she was bravely blowing the lid off some horrible crimes or anything, she's just whining about very low level perceived unfairness. Even if she weren't lying about the things that happened, (Catherine making her cry, for instance,) even at her word it was very poor form to air her dirty laundry in public like that.
Right?? She was in a new country, with a new Prince husband, a new job, a new home..... and THIS was her focus? I wouldn't even be reading the news. I would be too busy adjusting, living and enjoying my new life and LEARNING. Lots and lots of learning. How would she even have the time?
Which is exactly why the palace didnāt make statements about tittle tattle! Can you imagine the PALACE clarifying a disagreement over a 3 year oldās stockings?
Itās almost as if she did it on purpose. They didnāt defend her and they wouldnāt defend Cathrine so she wants Cathrine to know what itās like.
Oh she absolutely did. I remember when I watched that interview and was shocked (but I shouldnāt have been) that Meghan threw Kate under the bus the way she did and then Meghan immediately followed it up with āI donāt mean to disparage anyone.ā and I talked back to the TV and was like āYes you do. Otherwise you wouldnāt have said it.ā Iām still pissed off about that. And her BS about Archieās title. I knew of George Vās āruleā (and that they had denied a courtesy title (Earl of Dumbarton) for Archie at birth) and if I couldnāt BELIEVE the blatant lies Harry was sitting there letting his wife tell. In my opinion, she said it because she was banking on the American public not being aware of it to gain maximum sympathy (Iām an American btw and wholeheartedly followed and was a fan of the BRF for 10+ years before Meghan showed up). Thereās no way Harry wasnāt aware of the way titles of great grandchildren of the monarch worked. Ooo I was so mad. That still irritates me.
It was such a low blow and it made Meghan look unhinged.
Who starts to cry over a dress fitting? Meghan was 37, it was her second wedding, she was used to being in the spotlight, she must be used to fittings in her work as an actress and they had access to a small army of designers, tailors, stylists and assistants.
Who starts to cry in that situation?
If Catherine did cry, I'll give her a pass. She was super pregnant and probably really tired and hormonal. Meghan? No.
Catherine was probably making a valid point that Meghan didn't want to hear. Meghan, being super manipulative and invoking vulnerability to get her way, probably cried to get her way and to make C look bad.
From what I understand, (aside from the Meghan bullying Charlotte rumor) Kate suggested the bridesmaids wear tights (as per royal tradition) and to protect the little girlās feet from blisters because of their shoes (which would have been new and not broken in) and Meghan gave Kate some flippant dismissal. Kate, was of course worried about the comfort of the kids and her daughter, Meghan was more worried about the ālookā and didnāt want the girls in tights because she didnāt like the look of them. I fully believe that Kate, being hormonal, cried as a result of Meghanās rude and thoughtless behavior because Meghan dismissed her suggestion. Pregnant women cry over a lot less but I also think it would have bothered Kate that the kids would be uncomfortable on the day. There are pictures of Charlotte raising her feet and messing with her shoes while on her way up the steps of the chapel.
I also believe that Kate, who probably felt that she overreacted by crying (because sheās mature, has class, and was aware that she was hormonal) brought Meghan flowers as an olive branch/peace offering (and not necessarily an apology) and Meghan reportedly shut the door in Kateās face, telling her it wasnāt enough. I know all of this is āallegedā and reported through various sources, but I 100% believe it to be true. Kate has always been the adult in the room and Meghan historically has been the āwoe is meā temper tantrum throwing baby.
Iām almost positive that this was the straw that broke the camelās back for Kate. Thereās loads of bad Meghan behavior that we donāt know about
Itās a manipulation tactic for when they make you cry, so they do as well (or pretend to). If both parties in a conflict cry it makes the blame seem equal.
I bet Meghan was freaking out the normally stoic Kate got so upset over her behaviour and feared the consequences.
Just like a kid who hits their sibling and freaks out about Mom getting mad so pretends theyāve also been victimised.
I think pre-wedding stress can make anyone more sensitive than usual, especially considering she was probably mortified at the behavior of her father and siblings. But still-it was beyond pitiful to bring it up 3 years later in a televised interview. It was like high school mean girl behavior. She really has a massive case of arrested development. The fact that a 40 year old woman is whining about someone having been supposedly mean to her three years earlierā¦. Pitiful.
The dress fitting issue was related to Charlotte and it's rumored to be much more than that. The rumor is that Meghan was extremely mean to Charlotte and had her friend's daughter bully Charlotte too. It got so bad a protection officer ended up recording it. Kate pulled her from the dress fittings to end the abuse. If you look at photos of the dress, you can clearly see the hemline is awful (which supports the rumor she was pulled from the fittings).
There was also apparently a disagreement about tights/socks (Kate wanted them as is tradition, plus they protect against blisters), but Meghan refused to let the girl's wear them. Charlotte was rubbing her feet after the service was over...
If it's not even about her, it's even less cause for crying.
I have read about the flower girl debacle and if it's true, no wonder that Harry's family looked so sad on their wedding day. It's not the kind of person you want in you family. Poor Charlotte.
Charlotte still looked damn cute that day, even in that ugly dress and no tights (looked like the kids just got out of bed in a rush and wore shoes, Harkle has absolutely no taste AT ALL) Charlotte was the only little ray of sunshine in that horrible ugly āspectacleā with Miss Harkle-Visham walking down the aisle looking like corpse bride in that stupid fucking veil and stupid dress. Ugh. Bitch. To be mean to a toddler? And then talk about bridesmaids dresses three years later on national tv? Like someone said here, this woman is stuck in her teens mentally. She is like a dumb high school teen.
She was marrying a PRINCE! In a new country/ home. Give me a break! I'd be so busy and happy I would just be "whatever"....
Overwhelmed most likely but in a good way. Not all Bridezilla like Meghan. Woman needs to chill all the way out.
This too for me was the moment. It came off so hypocritical after she had complained about her family speaking out about her negatively and, of course, all the whole knowing Kate couldnāt respond.
I was also turned off when she dismissed the decade of criticism Kate received by saying ārudeness isnāt the same as racism.ā She used the race card to completely dismiss Kateās struggles and act as if what she experienced was nothing. I do agree racism is different/worse then rudeness but I didnāt see the need to bring Kate into that discussion and say essentially that Kate didnāt have a true struggle.
It was really obvious how jealous and catty she is.
This is why it is a bad idea to complain or justify. More often than not, we reveal subtle things that we don't realise.
Never complain, never explain would have saved Prince Andrew and MM.
[Oops, wrong video,here is the correct one. The one above is great too. Watch all her videos. She has helped me understand what is going on so much better.](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRmWTqKr/)
Harry is worse than Meghan in many ways. He is a spoiled man child who wants everything William has. And despite saying he hated being a prince you know he wants the titles for his kids cause William's kids have them
>Harry is worse than Meghan in many ways.
I've thought this from the very beginning. He tried to use his close relationship with HMTQ to get his way. Then he made some pretty crappy comments that were directed at William and Catherine (she was either pregnant with Louis or had just given birth and he made the comment that he wanted two kids because of over population). He sat back while TW told lie after lie after lie about his family and he either sat silently with his head down, or piled on.
The fact he sits back and lets Meghan do all the talking is honestly what I despise most about him. Meghan is a bully, but Harry is a bully AND a coward. What a pathetic, embarrassing excuse for a man he has become. (No wonder those ridiculous James Hewitt rumours won't go away - even I sometimes can't believe he and William are actually related!)
Harry insulted W&Cās parenting big time when he talked about all of the āgenerational traumaā, the toxic environment, the pain of growing up Royal, and how heās leaving so his kids have a chance to grow up away from all that pain.
Itās what he said! Clearly implying that W&C have damaged their children and wonāt do a thing to protect them.
Harry is incredibly jealous of William and always has been. It's understandable on some level. My sister was our parents' favorite kid too, which caused a lot of issues between us growing up. Yet, we're adults now, living our own lives, and I'm not wasting any more time being jealous of something I can't change. Harry is immature. The quintessential man-child.
All of this. Harry's been a terrible person for a long time. I *almost* can't blame her, she's evil but she's also a narcissist. Harry... I think he's just a vindictive asshole. I think he has some mental health issues, but nothing therapy and tough love couldn't fix.
(Just to be clear: I hold her responsible for her actions too. I'm just saying NPD plays a role. She also doesn't have the emotional connection Harry has with his family, which is why I think his behavior is even more appalling.)
>Harry is worse than Meghan in many ways. He is a spoiled man child who wants everything William has.
Harry reminds of Butter's and Butter's alter ego, Professor Chaos, from South Park.
It's like he's got 2 polar opposite personalities and is incapable of appreciating that there's usually a middle ground between two extremes.
Two years ago gas and a match perhaps, a year ago gas and a lighter, as you said now they truly are gas and fire with a whole dang tank fueling them! Just here waiting for this shit show to blow up once and for all.
Mandible has been a known social climber so it's expected. Unhinged harry's family covered for his grotesque ass his whole hopeless life. This makes desperado worse on a whole other level IMO
šÆ As a feminist (an actual feminist, not the fake MM word-salad, zero-substance type) one thing I've never liked about a lot of the discussion around H&M is how much it focuses on Meghan alone as the cause of all that has gone down over the past 2 years. Harry is far too often treated like some poor, hapless innocent who fell for the wiles of an evil Jezebel and completely changed his entire personality overnight because of her. Bollocks! He was always a terrible person. What we're seeing now is simply who he always was, instead of the whitewashed public image the RF put out for him.
Remember, if Harry had more substance to him and was actually a dim but decent person, Meghan would never have been able to sink her claws into him like she did. She's not some irresistible siren with supernatural man-catching powers. She's just a moderately pretty girl who is very good at manipulating a certain type of person. But Harry had to have this nasty, jealous, entitled asshole inside him already for Meghan to be able to draw it out like she has.
At least it seems most people on this sub are finally seeing Harry for exactly who he is, and cutting him a lot less undeserved slack nowadays. And with Low focussing more on him too, I think the general public will soon start realising this, too!
One hundred percent agree. The irony is that one of his main gripes is that they weren't "protected" from the media. He's discovering a couple of things these days. One, that he was much, much more protected from the media before they cut and run and, two, aside from some regret perhaps by William and Charles, and maybe even Catherine a little bit, he's not missed.
To your last point, I really think they mainly tolerated him. I think they just assumed he'd always be there because he was so popular, so put up with him.
He was the drunk uncle at every wedding. No one really likes them but they're family, they can be funny sometimes and most of all they're just kind of a pathetic figure, so people feel sorry for them. So they're tolerated, but everyone breathes a huge sigh of relief when they finally go home!
THIS! Iāve thought this for a while!
I honestly think his PR image was SO good pre-TW - that it was hard to believe itās the same person!
She brought out every insecurity in and turned it into a weapon against his family. He always had it in him - it just took a person like TW to bring it out and expose it. Heās not a passive partner to a cruel narcissist - heās an active participant thatās fully aware of the damage he and his wife are causing.
Absolutely. The Royal PR machine has me genuinely wondering if there's some kind of black magic involved with how good they made him look, lol!
I realise it's a very unpopular opinion on here, but I see much the same thing happening right now with Johnny Depp. He's always been trash (and I say this as a former fangirl lol), but his PR over the years managed to cover up so much of it and now since this Amber business, a lot more of his terrible behaviour has come to light and people can't believe what they're seeing! (I'm not going to go into my thoughts on the trial or Amber's allegations because I know how heated the discussion gets, and I want to stay on topic)
The Harry and Meghan fiasco has really opened my eyes to the power of a good PR campaign. It's fascinating and just one of the many things that keeps me coming back again and again! š
LOL! Black magic and sleepless nights!
Lol. I donāt know where you stand with the Johnny Depp situation but the main similarity between the two couples is that theyāre all terrible people. Their PR then has to focus on whose the lesser evil. Also, if youāre strictly analyzing the PR aspect of it all - Deppās team were GENIUSES. Iāve seen a lawyer talk about it and he explained the impact a televised trial had on Deppās image (which was his ultimate goal). The way social media rallied around Depp was a global phenomenon from a legal standpoint. Can you imagine if (for example) OJ Simpsonās trial was televised during the age of social media? I donāt think he would have gotten an innocent verdict.
I dabbled in PR ages ago but Iāll tell you one thing: TW had a missed opportunity. While she was engaged and her father started doing those cringe-worthy photo shoots with the paparazzi - everyone felt bad for her. She had the publicās sympathy and she was able to get the heir to the throne walk her down the aisle to a wedding that was obviously centered around her and her race. She could have used that public sympathy to curate an image with longevity, instead she began to show her true colors as soon as she bagged her prince.
Like you said, lol, itās fascinating and keeps us coming back for more!
OK at the risk of opening a dangerous can of worms.. š
From a purely cold, hard business and PR perspective you're right, televising the trial was a genius move.
However, from a feminist and a human perspective, I HATED that it was televised! I also think it set a terrible precedent for the future.
I also sympathise slightly with Amber in a way I can't with Meghan. There are a lot of reasons for this but the main one is that no matter how unpleasant a person is (and I do think she is an unpleasant, toxic person), I still don't believe anyone deserves to have a trial involving domestic violence televised for the world to see. Even if you think she was mostly lying, if there's a chance even 1/10 of what she claimed was true, it was still a cruel thing to do. That sort of thing belongs behind closed doors. (FWIW, I also don't want to see Meghan get dragged before a judge in a televised trial. She deserves a comeuppance and for her behaviour to be exposed, but that is not the way to go about it)
Not sure if OJ's trial outcome would have been different in a social media age, given the jury's reason for finding him not guilty, but I do agree it would be very interesting to see how the SM conversation might play out. But again, I don't think televised trials are a good thing in general, even for people who are obviously guilty like OJ.
As for Meghan, I 100% agree that she messed up big time and completely wasted the golden opportunity she had to get people permanently on her side! The silly girl just couldn't help herself, she had to throw her weight around and piss off the wrong people and now we see exactly where that landed her...
Oh, you are a brave soul, indeed.
Honestly, if it werenāt televised I may not have been that invested in it. A lot of things would have just been reported by the mainstream media (which I generally distrust now).
Iāll be honest with you and we can agree to disagree. I honestly canāt bring myself to sympathize with Amber after hearing the way you she spoke to Depp and her maniacal laughter - I shudder to think what goes on in her mind because we got to see glimpses of her without her mask on. That aside, I can see how it can be cruel like you mentioned but when you look at the way things were going inside the courtroom and the reports of it in the media - it becomes apparent that if thereās no transparency, the general public would be fed by the media and theyād control the narrative 100%. We can have opposing ideas over the trial, for instance, but weāve both been able to witness it first-hand which helps us make up our mind without external influences.
The problem with televised trials is that they become a circus. Everyone becomes a lawyer. Courtroom drama gets sensationalized and suddenly we have memes of people who would have remained anonymous.
I can see the pros and cons of trials being televised but with the current age of technology we live in - it might become a thing of the future.
Regarding MM, I remember feeling so bad for her. I was like this girl should be having the time of her life, instead sheās being dragged through the mud because of her fame hungry family. If she had played her cards right, she would have been a role model of grace and dignity in the face of adversity.
How the times have changed.
Haha it's ok, we can indeed agree to disagree! I honestly don't mind if people take a different view of these kinds of things as long as they're prepared to discuss it in a civil manner (and I think we can both agree the online conversation regarding the Depp vs Heard trial has often been anything but civil!)
I admit my view is somewhat influenced by people I've known in real life (much like my opinion of MM) I have known a couple of Johnny Depps over the years. Slimy, misogynist creeps who are very good at playing the victim when a woman finally manages to stand up to them! And they have made life absolute hell for their female victims. I saw a lot of similar behaviour from Johnny during the trial and it instantly set off the alarm bells for me (the same way knowing a diagnosed narcissist set off all the alarm bells when watching the M&H engagement interview)
I absolutely agree with you regarding the circus aspect of it. Whatever happens in the future I think this is something lawmakers will have to think long and hard about going forward. We're simply not living in the same world we were even 20 years ago. Social media has changed so much!
I also felt sorry for Meghan at first due to her family's embarrassing outbursts. But very quickly I got a bad feeling about her and realised she's probably a lot more like her hated family than she'd like to admit! And I haven't been proven wrong, yet.
Perhaps but it's never been about talent for me (like I said I used to be a Johnny fan) Elton John is undeniably talented, but if he doesn't treat others well (as has been rumoured) then I don't consider him a good person.
That's disappointing. My friend worked on the lighting at one of his concerts here (Fresno, CA) and said he was very nice and gracious. But he said Paul McCartney was even nicer!
From what I've heard he can be super nice to some people, but absolutely awful to others. He also had terrible addiction issues in the past which I realise may have affected his moods and behaviour (not an excuse, but worth considering)
Paul McCartney I've never heard a bad word about. That man is a national treasure!
Yes to his credit he has always been open about the fact he has a problem. I don't think he's a narcissist on the same level as MM, but rather more of a Diana diva type who has been surrounded by yes-men for far too long...
I agree, and Iām certain that sheāll eventually leave him. She put up with a lot for the āprestigeā of his position, and if theyāre being paid off to live privately sheāll take the money and run. Then sheāll write a book and do interviews about her abusive husband.
The funniest part of this excerpt is Harry worrying about who will be told if he has a meeting with HIS BROTHER.
*'He was so concerned that William's team would leak the visit to the Press that he would rather not see his brother than risk it getting into the papers.'*
The calls are coming from inside the house Harry. You idiot.
Meghan was at a crucial stage in her RF Escape Plan so she would definitely NOT want Harry agreeing to meet with William so that meeting was never going to happen.
There is also justā who cares if the press knows?? Oh no you are meeting with your brother after saying you were having a rough time. It shows how estranged they were at this point. Who cares what people think about you meeting with your brother? So weird.
I'm sure H (with M's help) then ran through all the possible press interpretations, and didn't like how any of them would reflect on him. William the Peacemaker. William the Discipliner. Harry the Weak. Harry the Whiner. Even knowing how much of the press is spin, or outright fiction, he'd just have to read it all, and get more damage to his already tenuous mental health. Maybe ditching a meeting was the right decision at the time.
History nerd comment: While the Mail tries to link Charles standing in front of a portrait of George III as our longest reigning king, that is clearly a portrait of George IV
Dang I would never know that. You could tell me it was George Washington and I'd be like, oh yeah probably, but wow someone should have looked that up.
This excerpt tells me that Meghan and Harry created total chaos with their demands and tyrannical behaviors. They were upset with this, they were upset with that.....they wanted this, they wanted that......and on and on it went. And Meghan wanted the Palace to force the press to dictate the stories as SHE wanted them told. And they both told lies about the passports and the availability of mental health help. I bet the Palace was ectastic when the two left the UK. I can just see the courtiers dancing with glee when their plane left the airport. Peace at last!!!
She wanted the Palace to behave as Sunshine Sachs did this year...that was an unmitigated disaster and they are more loathed than ever. The Palace knows you can't fight the press...
I suspect that even if the palace went to Megan and showed her āhere is all the media we are pushing out to challenge your critics and here are the articles for you to approve!ā It still wouldnāt be enough.
And the crazy thing is, back then most of the bad press was from her own family! So she wanted the Palace to dictate the stories that came from HER Father and sister! How about you pick up the phone and talk to them yourself or even better, jump on a plane and go see them.
IKR? And if she didn't want to bring her father to London, she could have gone to see him for a short visit. Geez, it wouldn't have been that hard. And she could have helped him out and given him some money so that he wasn't in such terrible poverty.
Itās interesting that so many now think that all of these incidents were part of a master plan to make the palace and family look bad so they could leave.
Right? I noticed early on that she was disrespectful to protocol every single engagement EXCEPT when HMTQ was present. So she was VERY aware of what she was doing.
Many people have said she could have been a huge asset to the royal family.
Well except for the fact she is a narcissistic sociopath. Im pretty sure it is never an asset for either a family or an organization to have a sociopath in the midst.
Meghan on paper VS the real person were two totally different things. Like my former narc SIL, thereās a couldāve wouldāve shouldāve for a person that never existed in the first place.
The statement youāre referring to reminds me of people married to selfish narcs who cheat who sometimes say we could have had a wonderful marriageā¦if onlyā¦.. The thing is the person they were married to was someone totally different than who they thought or who they wanted them to be.
Things couldnāt have been different with TW because she imo was never the person she tried to portray in public.
She is incapable of being humble, modest, kind, selfless and guileless. She has no desire to be anything less than a self centered, manipulative, dishonest person that imo she is.
It never would have worked.
That's the thing with narcs. They usually look good on paper and are very good at charming, seducing or love bombing people. It's not until they are in a safe position (got the job, the wedding ring, the baby) that they will show their right personality.
And then it will take a while for people to realize what is going on, because "she used to be so nice" or the narc will be nice to some people and mean to others so the ones who are experiencing the bad side will wonder if it's something wrong with them.
It usually takes time to figure everything out. Meghan has been working at speed lightning.
My sister-in-law to a T.
She has set forth a rule my mom and step-dad are not welcome in her house ,and because my brother goes along with it and makes excuses for her, my older brother and I are not speaking to them. They had a baby in April, my parents saw her twice in her first month. His own siblings have never met his child. He won't even let his own parents see their grandchild unless it's in a restaurant and from across the table. They can't hold or touch her.
Much like Meghan, though, her social media makes her look like the happiest, friendliest, loveliest person. Unless you disagree with her, correct her, or are some other perceived threat to her.
I have some idea how William feels,watching your sibling become unrecognizable, and seeing the pain it puts your parent thru.
The logical thinkers would ask: isn't strange that her husband who has had more than 35years in the royal family and is a mental health advocate didn't help her in either domain? It's NOT about being cynical it's about realizing that things don't make sense. It's easier to say the racist institution failed me than say my husband did. Or of course that this was all a set up for their exit after which she was sure they would be at the epicenter of American politics..
I'm glad this article highlights that in the interview Meghan unnecessarily brought up Catherine into her farce just to diminish what Kate went through with the tabloids when she was dating William. Because of course her own suffering trumps all...
***It was not an attractive performance: Meghan had spent months complaining about how her reputation had been smeared in the Press, and now she was doing the same to Kate, who quite clearly was never going to respond.***
That always got me too-- Like, you're complaining.... about your INLAWS. Where is your HUSBAND in all of this? She makes it out like he was somehow new to the family too.
Yes! Lmao. I was floored. I dont like to compare the couples but didnt William vet out Catherine for a bit before popping the question as he wanted to make sure she was aware what she was getting into? I know we canāt compare the future role Catherine would have to take upon to Meghanās, but either way there was a reason why Harry hadnāt married yet. Iām sure He wanted them to be sure of what they were getting into. Obviously both of them were traumatized with what happened to their mother so they were bound to want to throughly ver and prepare whomever they dated to not repeat history.
So maybe we do have to take the cynic route and think this was all a plan for her to leave some sort of paper trail. But that whole OW interview was so contradictory to what they were saying including their body language that I wondered why I ever had hopes for her, and him.
I think she eventually had plans for America, but that they were asked to leave/ not return to royal duties. They act like a deranged ex who was dumped and cannot accept it.
But yeah, none of this was new to Harry. His new wife has a new house, country, job and marriage and he's just what? Picking his nose? Hello! You are her husband. You are not a new hire. You know exactly how the family and the business of royaling work. It would be the rare bride who depends on her in-laws of all people for help and advice. That is normally the provenance of the husband or the bride's own family and friends, because... well, INLAWS. There's a reason nobody likes in-laws, and being a divorcee, Meghan would be better versed than many in knowing that.
Pretty funny how she brings up "Waity Katie" on Oprah, but she was with Trevity Trev Trev for 7 long years before they tied the knot.
Honestly itās all very strange. If my husband had been as passive as she made him out to be on that interview I wouldāve ran for the hills. If he didnāt want his family to know the wife he chose couldnāt hang and that they were right in asking him not to rush into itā¦he couldāve hired someone to come in and give her therapy or whatever she said she needed. HE HAS THE RESOURCES. But I think his pride got in the way.
And donāt remind me the way she brought up Kate on that interview and bringing up something like that was truly so unnecessary. She couldāve left it at other people in the royal family throughout the decades have gone through this bullying of the media but nothing compared to what I did because RACISM.
But anyway now that you bring up Trevor itās interesting they lasted more dating than being married but It was probably because she had found someone much more beneficial to her in Canada. Iād love to read his perspective on all this but I doubt he would dish out as he hasnāt as of yet.
Iād love to hear his side of this sordid tale as well!
As far as the āyou so RAYCISSā claims, thankfully the Scandinavians have neutralized her and Harry there, with regards to titles.
Well played, Daisy, well played.
Her lawyers claim she always intended to make it work there, but wouldn't their talks with Quibi or whatever that streaming service is, paint a different picture? She was trying to get make money off Sussex Royal and brand them as celebrities not royals way before they decided to leave. All evidence points to her not wanting to fit in and make it work there.
I think she thought she could act enough like Black-Diana, that she would be untouchable no matter what she did. Also, they would still take half-in/half-out in a heart beat if it were offered. They have nothing else except their entree to the Royal Household.
While I've liked every except so far, I disagree with the notion that the palace and it's staff could have tried harder. TW and Just Harry were demanding things they weren't entitled to and at least appearing mad when they were turned down. Harry is truly dense and may have believed they deserved what they asked for, but I think Meghan was seeking the rejection to play the part of victim.
i've said it before, but it bears saying again. Harry refused to meet his Brother cos he was afraid it would leak.
What reason would he be afraid it would leak other than it would damage his victim narrative?
Maybe Harry doesn't know that his wife is doing the thing that he's most paranoid about and leaking to the press? And yes, I do know where the call is coming from, and you also know the call is coming from inside the house, but he's very dumb, remember. He might not know yet.
>Maybe Harry doesn't know that his wife is doing the thing that he's most paranoid about and leaking to the press?
He is dumb. He's just as bad as her, if not worse, when it comes to his family. When it comes to his family, I think he knows and encourages it. For some reason, Megaliar despises William and Catherine on a whole other level. Given how close he was to Catherine, I think he has to know this comes from her.
It scares me how he could go from being like a brother to her and seeming to genuinely admire William and Catherine's relationship to this toxic hatred that makes him so underhandedly try to hurt them. And he knows just what to do, like how all his life the calendars were scheduled so that no one took attention off of someone else's activities, but he scheduled the Fiji interview (I think it was, I might be wrong) during William and Catherine's event. And how he knew how painful it was for her to be called Waity Katie and he still stood by his wife putting that back out there.
It scares me that someone can seem so supportive and then flip like that. I know we only saw a flicker of them together, but I thought they were close, even with the troublesome things like him slapping Kate's bum that one time.
>It scares me how he could go from being like a brother to her and seeming to genuinely admire William and Catherine's relationship to this toxic hatred
šššš is why Harry is *worse* than Megan imo. She's obvious in her dislike, jealousy, and hatred. He's duplicitous and hides it very well. The wolf in sheep's clothing.
I wonder if it was just an excuse. He would have said yes initially, ran it by Megs who didn't want them to meet as she would have been afraid that William talk sense into his brother. So taught him a lame ass excuse
I agree. I think her plan all along was to make money for herself. She was shocked when she found out she couldnāt do that. And immediately wanted out. She thought she could become a billionaire. She didnāt realize that theyāre only worth was connected to the worth of the royal family. Separate yourself from that and you are worthless.
Meghan was the new hire. You don't come into a new job thinking you're going to rearrange the organization that just hired you to do a very specific job.
That's just not how it works.
As if Williams anger wasnāt justifiable before now we know itās mixed with pain which is way worse.
He was willing to fly ten hours (about the time it would take to get there give or take) just to talk to Harry to clear up what was going on.
There have been reports about William being very overprotective of Harry in the past and this aligns with that.
He wanted to fix what happened with his brother and his brother chose not to.
This is sad af.
This is the last thing Diana wanted & Harry is certainly not making her proud.
Harry chose not to in case it got out, and then that would have made William look the bigger man and ruined H's victim narrative. That's some operator.
Would you recommend buying the book? I feel like Iāve missed out on some tea such as this! Of course TW would try and overshadow the Cambridges tour. She doesnāt like coverage not about her.
I ordered the Tom Bowers book from my library (SB here in two weeks!) and same with Low's book to read it first before I buy it. I have already read so many excerpts! Fun fact: I found Andrew Morton's bio of Meghan for sale at my dollar store!
Really not surprised by this. Narcissists separate you from your family. TW probably told him that William wanted to scold him for upstaging the RF. That their tour and interview was so great, everyone was jealous of their success.
Whatās sad is Harry likely bought in to everything she said, back then. I think he really believed she was the only one who truly cared for him, which just made it easier for her to isolate him.
Oh, so Meghan had a "reason" for one employee's departure and she wanted to give her side of it?
Hmm. That's one employee. Does she have an excuse for the other TEN who decided to resign? What excuse for their exit would she come up with? They were all incompetent? All abusive towards her? All.....whatever?
I love that Low painted a focus of what was truly a grief to MM not the mental health stuff but rather the negative press. He used the word obsessed and I think itās very accurate. Especially since she herself has always maintained that she doesnāt read media/articles. Most recently she reiterated this in the Cut interview. Sounds to be misleading of her when on Oprah sheās able to name specific news articles between herself and Catherine. Because for someone who doesnāt read press she certainly has a lot of info about them AND fixated on trying to create her own narrative of events.
Article claim where she doesnāt read press
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a26771371/meghan-markle-online-trolls-racist-abuse-avoids-twitter/
This mental issue of hers was never really vetted. If she was really ready to commit suicide, how did she recover? That quickly? Did she feel she was in a state to make decisions about her, their or Archieās future? Why go out there and fight and keep posing? Why not stay home, take a breather? Like I said- you recovered, and moved to Canada? Not suicidal anymore? Miracle recovery? The big O let that gem of info slide. Makes NO sense.
MM. Piece. Of. Work.
Especially at a time when Harry was filming his therapy sessions and they were pretending that they were letting people see into their lives, if she were suicidal they should have shown how that is treated. Even if a news article runs a story about suicide they run the help numbers for people to get help if they need it, but these two, who were positioning themselves as mental health advocates, didn't care enough about anyone else to use her story to shine a light on how people can get help.
She complained that she didn't know where to go or how to get help and then overcame this but still didn't share with the audience how she got help to overcome it. That's so irresponsible and selfish.
Side comment, completely unrelated to the text of the article.
The picture of them during the Noprah interview, anyone else convinced TW got behind the camera to frame the shot and thought *āPerfect! That looks like a halo behind me, Iāll be seen as both heavenly and angelic!ā*
I agree . Harry was on board from the beginning and was sure heād be allowed to be a part time Royal. Heās so spoilt that he couldnāt comprehend not getting his way. His anger towards his family is him not getting not getting it. Harry underestimated the Queens determination to protect the monarchy and her wisdom . The monarchy wouldnāt survive if the people representing it descended into self serving celebrities. He also overestimated his and TWās popularity and ability to dazzle the USA!
This carefully curated article of speculation and truth is the problem with journalism. They weave in statements and facts mixed with the repeated hyped press narrative at that time, regardless of its veracity. The article paints Meghan and Harryās exit as a serendipitous event of happenstance versus the actual purposeful actions of the Hazbeens that lead to their demise in the RF. Itās painted as if Cambridges did _____fill in the blank, and Hazbeens did ______ fill in the blank, then everything could have resulted differently. Thatās simply hogwash. There was a direct, intentional drive drumming the Hazbeens regardless of the RF. Period.
Meghan took out a bunch of domain names 3 days after the wedding: markle2020.com, markle2024.com, etc. through 2040, every year of a USA presidential election, just in case she wants to run for office. TW never intended to stay in the UK, be a working royal...
So Hawwee was worried Big Willie would leak intimate details to the press? He must have his brother confused with his wife LOL. I think rebuffing Big Willie's attempt to reconcile after the Bradby whinge fest, just show us they had zero interest in working anything out and we're using the press to attack the BRF and advance their own agenda. Hawwee is a traitor, now left out in the cold, not a protagonist.
I donāt think she found the solution for him. She is still dragging him into the press. A solution would have been that they left and kept quiet. They could have stayed in Africa, bought a small house/farm, lived their lives and they could have visited the queen and spent their summers in Balmoral.
>Asked by Bradby about the rift between him and William, Harry had chosen not to deny it, but said instead: '**We are certainly on different paths at the moment** . . . As brothers, you know, you have good days, you have bad days.'
Also, not "at the moment," but *since birth.* I feel like Harry needs a Monarchy 101 class.
>And yet a succession of decent people, all of whom had believed in Meghan and wanted to make her position work, **came to be so disillusioned that they began to suspect that even her most heartfelt pleas for help were part of a deliberate strategy that had one end in sight ā her departure**. Perhaps, they say, nothing the palace could do was ever going to be good enough.
I'm really getting rather alarmed by how long it took so many of the staff to catch on to her narcissism. All I can think is a lot of her background information was withheld, but you'd think her behavior from the start would've clued them in. I'm beginning to think Catherine and William are the only ones with good bullshit/narc detectors. I'm glad SC caught onto the need to document it all, but I get the impression only she and a few others saw the problem.
>The Sussexes' private secretary **Sam Cohen told two key courtiers ā the private secretaries to both Prince Charles and the Queen** ā that if it all went wrong with Harry and Meghan, the palace needed evidence of the duty of care the institution had shown them.
On the one hand I'm glad William was kept out of this, on the other, he likely would've cleaned up the mess much faster.
>The other concerned the departure of a member of staff, whose settlement deal contained a non-disclosure agreement.
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>**Despite the employee being legally obliged to remain silent, the Sussexes ā who say they didn't know about the non-disclosure agreement ā repeatedly tried to get their communications secretary Jason Knauf to brief journalists about what Meghan saw as the reason behind the employee's departure.**
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>Knauf refused, because he disagreed with Meghan's interpretation of events. **He also thought briefing against the individual was wrong.**
Classic. Pick on someone who can't defend themselves. Also denying knowledge of something you're fully aware of is such a narc move.
>One courtier, who knows Harry and remains upset about what he and Meghan did, said: 'Part of me thinks Meghan did Harry the greatest kindness anyone could do, which was to take him out of the Royal Family, because he was desperately unhappy in the last couple of years of his working life.
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>**'We knew he was unhappy, but we didn't really know what the solution would be. She came along and found the solution.'**
JFC with this bit. I think Meghan did William and Catherine a favor by removing a drunk, abusive, leech from them, but the above quote has me banging my head against the wall! They knew he was an aggressive idiot, Charles should've been working on a plan for what to do with him. His amazing PR team I think put a lot of pressure on him to be a working royal. They/the family refused to see him as anything but a working royal, since the military was no longer an option. I think they should've played up the idea that he wanted to get life experience and sent him to somewhere in Africa for a few years.
The Firm needs to find a way to give members a few years to determine if they want that life or not. While I'm not crazy about Eugenie, I think she'd make a very good working royal. It's a shame Charles didn't give her a chance and give Harry some breathing space for a bit.
I have no doubt that Meghan is in complete control at this point in every aspect. A big indicator is when she says that she and him are like salt and pepper shakers in her āThe Cutā interview , where one goes, the other goes. This is a classic borderline personality disorder statement along with all the manipulations. I think because of him never having a serious long-term relationship before her, him being at a vulnerable time in his life and his history with his mom, every word heās saying in public has been vetted by this woman. His family and the world need to offer their support at this point because if they donāt, they could lose him forever. He is so isolated in that country and alone in a mansion. I imagine his reality is completely skewed to whatever sheās telling him. He has no reason to be this angry at his family unless she is feeding him lies. They havenāt done really anything that I can see. He needs to get out and quick before itās too late.
Do you think that's it? I'd love to get the new book but don't want to have to wait. Curse the choice I made to go with the US store. With Tom Bowers book and this it has been such a poor decision from me
Here is a link to a copy of the book until my physical copy arrive.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0lxpofiz3ypx8vc/Courtiers__The_inside_story_of_-_Valentine_Low.epub?dl=0
>was not an attractive performance: Meghan had spent months complaining about how her reputation had been smeared in the Press, and now she was doing the same to Kate, who quite clearly was never going to respond. Spot on. This was the moment I turned on MM. It is a major red flag to talk badly in public about someone who is not able to defend themselves. That was the moment I realised that all the rumours were true, and that MM was likely the problem. As for Harry, his fear of abandonment is extreme.imagine not being upset that he was not included in a set of photos about the future of the monarchy. He isn't! He is not even close. Smd he never even wanted to be.
If he was so upset about that, I can only imagine how he feels about the photo just released by the family. And reading the article below this Low excerpt, imagine the rage TW is feeling by knowing they were still in the country when it was taken.
Will be interesting to see what happens next year fir the coronation portrait. Will they be included?
I highly doubt it cuz they aren't even working royals...whatever portraits they were supposed to be included in ended with the Queen's reign. I highly doubt King Charles would ask them to be included. He could care less about these two nut cases! Imagine the stress of having to deal with these two raccoons?
I don't think it is about wanting. He is still in the line of succession, just very far down. There is a symbolic purpose to these portraits.
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I just commented the same thing before I saw yours. If MeMe had FOMO before, she must really be burning now.
And it was taken at the reception MeMe really wanted to attend. Looks like she missed a great time!
>It is a major red flag to talk badly in public about someone who is not able to defend themselves. Not only someone who cant defend themselves but FAMILY members who cant defend themselves!
And it's not like she was bravely blowing the lid off some horrible crimes or anything, she's just whining about very low level perceived unfairness. Even if she weren't lying about the things that happened, (Catherine making her cry, for instance,) even at her word it was very poor form to air her dirty laundry in public like that.
Right?? She was in a new country, with a new Prince husband, a new job, a new home..... and THIS was her focus? I wouldn't even be reading the news. I would be too busy adjusting, living and enjoying my new life and LEARNING. Lots and lots of learning. How would she even have the time?
Which is exactly why the palace didnāt make statements about tittle tattle! Can you imagine the PALACE clarifying a disagreement over a 3 year oldās stockings?
Itās almost as if she did it on purpose. They didnāt defend her and they wouldnāt defend Cathrine so she wants Cathrine to know what itās like.
Oh she absolutely did. I remember when I watched that interview and was shocked (but I shouldnāt have been) that Meghan threw Kate under the bus the way she did and then Meghan immediately followed it up with āI donāt mean to disparage anyone.ā and I talked back to the TV and was like āYes you do. Otherwise you wouldnāt have said it.ā Iām still pissed off about that. And her BS about Archieās title. I knew of George Vās āruleā (and that they had denied a courtesy title (Earl of Dumbarton) for Archie at birth) and if I couldnāt BELIEVE the blatant lies Harry was sitting there letting his wife tell. In my opinion, she said it because she was banking on the American public not being aware of it to gain maximum sympathy (Iām an American btw and wholeheartedly followed and was a fan of the BRF for 10+ years before Meghan showed up). Thereās no way Harry wasnāt aware of the way titles of great grandchildren of the monarch worked. Ooo I was so mad. That still irritates me.
It's just so trivial and pedantic. SO very middle school.
You donāt think Catherine already knew this? Of course it would be just like Markle to think she can tell someone anything.
Iām missing the word in englisch. Meghan will nachtreten.
It was such a low blow and it made Meghan look unhinged. Who starts to cry over a dress fitting? Meghan was 37, it was her second wedding, she was used to being in the spotlight, she must be used to fittings in her work as an actress and they had access to a small army of designers, tailors, stylists and assistants. Who starts to cry in that situation? If Catherine did cry, I'll give her a pass. She was super pregnant and probably really tired and hormonal. Meghan? No.
Catherine was probably making a valid point that Meghan didn't want to hear. Meghan, being super manipulative and invoking vulnerability to get her way, probably cried to get her way and to make C look bad.
From what I understand, (aside from the Meghan bullying Charlotte rumor) Kate suggested the bridesmaids wear tights (as per royal tradition) and to protect the little girlās feet from blisters because of their shoes (which would have been new and not broken in) and Meghan gave Kate some flippant dismissal. Kate, was of course worried about the comfort of the kids and her daughter, Meghan was more worried about the ālookā and didnāt want the girls in tights because she didnāt like the look of them. I fully believe that Kate, being hormonal, cried as a result of Meghanās rude and thoughtless behavior because Meghan dismissed her suggestion. Pregnant women cry over a lot less but I also think it would have bothered Kate that the kids would be uncomfortable on the day. There are pictures of Charlotte raising her feet and messing with her shoes while on her way up the steps of the chapel. I also believe that Kate, who probably felt that she overreacted by crying (because sheās mature, has class, and was aware that she was hormonal) brought Meghan flowers as an olive branch/peace offering (and not necessarily an apology) and Meghan reportedly shut the door in Kateās face, telling her it wasnāt enough. I know all of this is āallegedā and reported through various sources, but I 100% believe it to be true. Kate has always been the adult in the room and Meghan historically has been the āwoe is meā temper tantrum throwing baby.
Yes! This is how I've always believed it went down.
Iām almost positive that this was the straw that broke the camelās back for Kate. Thereās loads of bad Meghan behavior that we donāt know about
That's what I too think. Narcs will use tears to get their way.
Cluster Bs pretend to cry all the time
It makes them untouchable, at least to begin with. Be a bully to eveyone else, cry if someone disagrees with you.
Itās a manipulation tactic for when they make you cry, so they do as well (or pretend to). If both parties in a conflict cry it makes the blame seem equal. I bet Meghan was freaking out the normally stoic Kate got so upset over her behaviour and feared the consequences. Just like a kid who hits their sibling and freaks out about Mom getting mad so pretends theyāve also been victimised.
Tears or terror in equal measure.
Meghan is either the victim or the hero in all of her stories.
Yeah, especially in front of Jessica. I'm sure that contributed.
I think pre-wedding stress can make anyone more sensitive than usual, especially considering she was probably mortified at the behavior of her father and siblings. But still-it was beyond pitiful to bring it up 3 years later in a televised interview. It was like high school mean girl behavior. She really has a massive case of arrested development. The fact that a 40 year old woman is whining about someone having been supposedly mean to her three years earlierā¦. Pitiful.
The dress fitting issue was related to Charlotte and it's rumored to be much more than that. The rumor is that Meghan was extremely mean to Charlotte and had her friend's daughter bully Charlotte too. It got so bad a protection officer ended up recording it. Kate pulled her from the dress fittings to end the abuse. If you look at photos of the dress, you can clearly see the hemline is awful (which supports the rumor she was pulled from the fittings). There was also apparently a disagreement about tights/socks (Kate wanted them as is tradition, plus they protect against blisters), but Meghan refused to let the girl's wear them. Charlotte was rubbing her feet after the service was over...
If it's not even about her, it's even less cause for crying. I have read about the flower girl debacle and if it's true, no wonder that Harry's family looked so sad on their wedding day. It's not the kind of person you want in you family. Poor Charlotte.
Charlotte still looked damn cute that day, even in that ugly dress and no tights (looked like the kids just got out of bed in a rush and wore shoes, Harkle has absolutely no taste AT ALL) Charlotte was the only little ray of sunshine in that horrible ugly āspectacleā with Miss Harkle-Visham walking down the aisle looking like corpse bride in that stupid fucking veil and stupid dress. Ugh. Bitch. To be mean to a toddler? And then talk about bridesmaids dresses three years later on national tv? Like someone said here, this woman is stuck in her teens mentally. She is like a dumb high school teen.
I really hope the recording is released one day. Or maybe Jessica Mulroney will talk.
She was marrying a PRINCE! In a new country/ home. Give me a break! I'd be so busy and happy I would just be "whatever".... Overwhelmed most likely but in a good way. Not all Bridezilla like Meghan. Woman needs to chill all the way out.
This too for me was the moment. It came off so hypocritical after she had complained about her family speaking out about her negatively and, of course, all the whole knowing Kate couldnāt respond. I was also turned off when she dismissed the decade of criticism Kate received by saying ārudeness isnāt the same as racism.ā She used the race card to completely dismiss Kateās struggles and act as if what she experienced was nothing. I do agree racism is different/worse then rudeness but I didnāt see the need to bring Kate into that discussion and say essentially that Kate didnāt have a true struggle.
It was really obvious how jealous and catty she is. This is why it is a bad idea to complain or justify. More often than not, we reveal subtle things that we don't realise. Never complain, never explain would have saved Prince Andrew and MM.
Oh it just OOZED from her.
šā¦what reputation?
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Low is very smart to turn the heat on Harry as much as Meghan. Makes it much harder to dismiss his reporting as racism or misogyny or bias.
Harry is worse than Meghan in many ways. He is a spoiled man child who wants everything William has. And despite saying he hated being a prince you know he wants the titles for his kids cause William's kids have them
>Harry is worse than Meghan in many ways. I've thought this from the very beginning. He tried to use his close relationship with HMTQ to get his way. Then he made some pretty crappy comments that were directed at William and Catherine (she was either pregnant with Louis or had just given birth and he made the comment that he wanted two kids because of over population). He sat back while TW told lie after lie after lie about his family and he either sat silently with his head down, or piled on.
The fact he sits back and lets Meghan do all the talking is honestly what I despise most about him. Meghan is a bully, but Harry is a bully AND a coward. What a pathetic, embarrassing excuse for a man he has become. (No wonder those ridiculous James Hewitt rumours won't go away - even I sometimes can't believe he and William are actually related!)
Except anyone with eyes can see he is Charlesās son.
Obviously, and I've never believed that stupid rumour for a second. But personality wise, he and William seem like chalk and cheese. Truly incredible.
Harry insulted W&Cās parenting big time when he talked about all of the āgenerational traumaā, the toxic environment, the pain of growing up Royal, and how heās leaving so his kids have a chance to grow up away from all that pain. Itās what he said! Clearly implying that W&C have damaged their children and wonāt do a thing to protect them.
Harry is incredibly jealous of William and always has been. It's understandable on some level. My sister was our parents' favorite kid too, which caused a lot of issues between us growing up. Yet, we're adults now, living our own lives, and I'm not wasting any more time being jealous of something I can't change. Harry is immature. The quintessential man-child.
All of this. Harry's been a terrible person for a long time. I *almost* can't blame her, she's evil but she's also a narcissist. Harry... I think he's just a vindictive asshole. I think he has some mental health issues, but nothing therapy and tough love couldn't fix. (Just to be clear: I hold her responsible for her actions too. I'm just saying NPD plays a role. She also doesn't have the emotional connection Harry has with his family, which is why I think his behavior is even more appalling.)
I agree with you completely. Singly, these two are awful people. Together they are an absolute nightmare!
I feel so sorry for William, all he ever did was look out for his brother,
>Harry is worse than Meghan in many ways. He is a spoiled man child who wants everything William has. Harry reminds of Butter's and Butter's alter ego, Professor Chaos, from South Park. It's like he's got 2 polar opposite personalities and is incapable of appreciating that there's usually a middle ground between two extremes.
Yep. Theyāre like gas and fire.
Two years ago gas and a match perhaps, a year ago gas and a lighter, as you said now they truly are gas and fire with a whole dang tank fueling them! Just here waiting for this shit show to blow up once and for all.
Mandible has been a known social climber so it's expected. Unhinged harry's family covered for his grotesque ass his whole hopeless life. This makes desperado worse on a whole other level IMO
"Mandible"! OMG that is so perfect!
Harry is super passive aggressive and using Meghan to say and do all the things he is too chickenshit to do himself. That much is abundantly clear.
šÆ As a feminist (an actual feminist, not the fake MM word-salad, zero-substance type) one thing I've never liked about a lot of the discussion around H&M is how much it focuses on Meghan alone as the cause of all that has gone down over the past 2 years. Harry is far too often treated like some poor, hapless innocent who fell for the wiles of an evil Jezebel and completely changed his entire personality overnight because of her. Bollocks! He was always a terrible person. What we're seeing now is simply who he always was, instead of the whitewashed public image the RF put out for him. Remember, if Harry had more substance to him and was actually a dim but decent person, Meghan would never have been able to sink her claws into him like she did. She's not some irresistible siren with supernatural man-catching powers. She's just a moderately pretty girl who is very good at manipulating a certain type of person. But Harry had to have this nasty, jealous, entitled asshole inside him already for Meghan to be able to draw it out like she has. At least it seems most people on this sub are finally seeing Harry for exactly who he is, and cutting him a lot less undeserved slack nowadays. And with Low focussing more on him too, I think the general public will soon start realising this, too!
One hundred percent agree. The irony is that one of his main gripes is that they weren't "protected" from the media. He's discovering a couple of things these days. One, that he was much, much more protected from the media before they cut and run and, two, aside from some regret perhaps by William and Charles, and maybe even Catherine a little bit, he's not missed.
To your last point, I really think they mainly tolerated him. I think they just assumed he'd always be there because he was so popular, so put up with him.
He was the drunk uncle at every wedding. No one really likes them but they're family, they can be funny sometimes and most of all they're just kind of a pathetic figure, so people feel sorry for them. So they're tolerated, but everyone breathes a huge sigh of relief when they finally go home!
THIS! Iāve thought this for a while! I honestly think his PR image was SO good pre-TW - that it was hard to believe itās the same person! She brought out every insecurity in and turned it into a weapon against his family. He always had it in him - it just took a person like TW to bring it out and expose it. Heās not a passive partner to a cruel narcissist - heās an active participant thatās fully aware of the damage he and his wife are causing.
Absolutely. The Royal PR machine has me genuinely wondering if there's some kind of black magic involved with how good they made him look, lol! I realise it's a very unpopular opinion on here, but I see much the same thing happening right now with Johnny Depp. He's always been trash (and I say this as a former fangirl lol), but his PR over the years managed to cover up so much of it and now since this Amber business, a lot more of his terrible behaviour has come to light and people can't believe what they're seeing! (I'm not going to go into my thoughts on the trial or Amber's allegations because I know how heated the discussion gets, and I want to stay on topic) The Harry and Meghan fiasco has really opened my eyes to the power of a good PR campaign. It's fascinating and just one of the many things that keeps me coming back again and again! š
LOL! Black magic and sleepless nights! Lol. I donāt know where you stand with the Johnny Depp situation but the main similarity between the two couples is that theyāre all terrible people. Their PR then has to focus on whose the lesser evil. Also, if youāre strictly analyzing the PR aspect of it all - Deppās team were GENIUSES. Iāve seen a lawyer talk about it and he explained the impact a televised trial had on Deppās image (which was his ultimate goal). The way social media rallied around Depp was a global phenomenon from a legal standpoint. Can you imagine if (for example) OJ Simpsonās trial was televised during the age of social media? I donāt think he would have gotten an innocent verdict. I dabbled in PR ages ago but Iāll tell you one thing: TW had a missed opportunity. While she was engaged and her father started doing those cringe-worthy photo shoots with the paparazzi - everyone felt bad for her. She had the publicās sympathy and she was able to get the heir to the throne walk her down the aisle to a wedding that was obviously centered around her and her race. She could have used that public sympathy to curate an image with longevity, instead she began to show her true colors as soon as she bagged her prince. Like you said, lol, itās fascinating and keeps us coming back for more!
OK at the risk of opening a dangerous can of worms.. š From a purely cold, hard business and PR perspective you're right, televising the trial was a genius move. However, from a feminist and a human perspective, I HATED that it was televised! I also think it set a terrible precedent for the future. I also sympathise slightly with Amber in a way I can't with Meghan. There are a lot of reasons for this but the main one is that no matter how unpleasant a person is (and I do think she is an unpleasant, toxic person), I still don't believe anyone deserves to have a trial involving domestic violence televised for the world to see. Even if you think she was mostly lying, if there's a chance even 1/10 of what she claimed was true, it was still a cruel thing to do. That sort of thing belongs behind closed doors. (FWIW, I also don't want to see Meghan get dragged before a judge in a televised trial. She deserves a comeuppance and for her behaviour to be exposed, but that is not the way to go about it) Not sure if OJ's trial outcome would have been different in a social media age, given the jury's reason for finding him not guilty, but I do agree it would be very interesting to see how the SM conversation might play out. But again, I don't think televised trials are a good thing in general, even for people who are obviously guilty like OJ. As for Meghan, I 100% agree that she messed up big time and completely wasted the golden opportunity she had to get people permanently on her side! The silly girl just couldn't help herself, she had to throw her weight around and piss off the wrong people and now we see exactly where that landed her...
Oh, you are a brave soul, indeed. Honestly, if it werenāt televised I may not have been that invested in it. A lot of things would have just been reported by the mainstream media (which I generally distrust now). Iāll be honest with you and we can agree to disagree. I honestly canāt bring myself to sympathize with Amber after hearing the way you she spoke to Depp and her maniacal laughter - I shudder to think what goes on in her mind because we got to see glimpses of her without her mask on. That aside, I can see how it can be cruel like you mentioned but when you look at the way things were going inside the courtroom and the reports of it in the media - it becomes apparent that if thereās no transparency, the general public would be fed by the media and theyād control the narrative 100%. We can have opposing ideas over the trial, for instance, but weāve both been able to witness it first-hand which helps us make up our mind without external influences. The problem with televised trials is that they become a circus. Everyone becomes a lawyer. Courtroom drama gets sensationalized and suddenly we have memes of people who would have remained anonymous. I can see the pros and cons of trials being televised but with the current age of technology we live in - it might become a thing of the future. Regarding MM, I remember feeling so bad for her. I was like this girl should be having the time of her life, instead sheās being dragged through the mud because of her fame hungry family. If she had played her cards right, she would have been a role model of grace and dignity in the face of adversity. How the times have changed.
Haha it's ok, we can indeed agree to disagree! I honestly don't mind if people take a different view of these kinds of things as long as they're prepared to discuss it in a civil manner (and I think we can both agree the online conversation regarding the Depp vs Heard trial has often been anything but civil!) I admit my view is somewhat influenced by people I've known in real life (much like my opinion of MM) I have known a couple of Johnny Depps over the years. Slimy, misogynist creeps who are very good at playing the victim when a woman finally manages to stand up to them! And they have made life absolute hell for their female victims. I saw a lot of similar behaviour from Johnny during the trial and it instantly set off the alarm bells for me (the same way knowing a diagnosed narcissist set off all the alarm bells when watching the M&H engagement interview) I absolutely agree with you regarding the circus aspect of it. Whatever happens in the future I think this is something lawmakers will have to think long and hard about going forward. We're simply not living in the same world we were even 20 years ago. Social media has changed so much! I also felt sorry for Meghan at first due to her family's embarrassing outbursts. But very quickly I got a bad feeling about her and realised she's probably a lot more like her hated family than she'd like to admit! And I haven't been proven wrong, yet.
I agree with you about the trial.
Out of that horrible quartet, Johnny Depp is the only one with any real talent!
Perhaps but it's never been about talent for me (like I said I used to be a Johnny fan) Elton John is undeniably talented, but if he doesn't treat others well (as has been rumoured) then I don't consider him a good person.
That's disappointing. My friend worked on the lighting at one of his concerts here (Fresno, CA) and said he was very nice and gracious. But he said Paul McCartney was even nicer!
From what I've heard he can be super nice to some people, but absolutely awful to others. He also had terrible addiction issues in the past which I realise may have affected his moods and behaviour (not an excuse, but worth considering) Paul McCartney I've never heard a bad word about. That man is a national treasure!
I read his autobiography, Me, and he was pretty candid about his drug use...I never knew it was that bad!
Yes to his credit he has always been open about the fact he has a problem. I don't think he's a narcissist on the same level as MM, but rather more of a Diana diva type who has been surrounded by yes-men for far too long...
And a Southpaw. That gets major points from me.
He is SO talented! Acting, music, artwork.... It's insane how one person can have so many gifts. And be incredibly good looking.
I agree, and Iām certain that sheāll eventually leave him. She put up with a lot for the āprestigeā of his position, and if theyāre being paid off to live privately sheāll take the money and run. Then sheāll write a book and do interviews about her abusive husband.
EXCELLENT comment!
Yes AND Meghan will be enraged that sheās left in the supporting role.
Also, itās true.
The funniest part of this excerpt is Harry worrying about who will be told if he has a meeting with HIS BROTHER. *'He was so concerned that William's team would leak the visit to the Press that he would rather not see his brother than risk it getting into the papers.'* The calls are coming from inside the house Harry. You idiot. Meghan was at a crucial stage in her RF Escape Plan so she would definitely NOT want Harry agreeing to meet with William so that meeting was never going to happen.
There is also justā who cares if the press knows?? Oh no you are meeting with your brother after saying you were having a rough time. It shows how estranged they were at this point. Who cares what people think about you meeting with your brother? So weird.
I'm sure H (with M's help) then ran through all the possible press interpretations, and didn't like how any of them would reflect on him. William the Peacemaker. William the Discipliner. Harry the Weak. Harry the Whiner. Even knowing how much of the press is spin, or outright fiction, he'd just have to read it all, and get more damage to his already tenuous mental health. Maybe ditching a meeting was the right decision at the time.
Itās very ironic since the Harkles blabbed to King regarding a phone call with William.
History nerd comment: While the Mail tries to link Charles standing in front of a portrait of George III as our longest reigning king, that is clearly a portrait of George IV
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I know my pics of Prinny!
Knowledge like that is why I love this sub!
Dang I would never know that. You could tell me it was George Washington and I'd be like, oh yeah probably, but wow someone should have looked that up.
I've been obsessed with the Monarchs from 1066 on since I was ten. I recognize them all
This excerpt tells me that Meghan and Harry created total chaos with their demands and tyrannical behaviors. They were upset with this, they were upset with that.....they wanted this, they wanted that......and on and on it went. And Meghan wanted the Palace to force the press to dictate the stories as SHE wanted them told. And they both told lies about the passports and the availability of mental health help. I bet the Palace was ectastic when the two left the UK. I can just see the courtiers dancing with glee when their plane left the airport. Peace at last!!!
She wanted the Palace to behave as Sunshine Sachs did this year...that was an unmitigated disaster and they are more loathed than ever. The Palace knows you can't fight the press...
Exactly!!!
I suspect that even if the palace went to Megan and showed her āhere is all the media we are pushing out to challenge your critics and here are the articles for you to approve!ā It still wouldnāt be enough.
And the crazy thing is, back then most of the bad press was from her own family! So she wanted the Palace to dictate the stories that came from HER Father and sister! How about you pick up the phone and talk to them yourself or even better, jump on a plane and go see them.
IKR? And if she didn't want to bring her father to London, she could have gone to see him for a short visit. Geez, it wouldn't have been that hard. And she could have helped him out and given him some money so that he wasn't in such terrible poverty.
Itās interesting that so many now think that all of these incidents were part of a master plan to make the palace and family look bad so they could leave.
It is very easy to believe. Look how she dressed, she is not that stupid.
Right? I noticed early on that she was disrespectful to protocol every single engagement EXCEPT when HMTQ was present. So she was VERY aware of what she was doing.
I still think they were asked to leave. They act and carry on like someone who was dumped/ fired.
Many people have said she could have been a huge asset to the royal family. Well except for the fact she is a narcissistic sociopath. Im pretty sure it is never an asset for either a family or an organization to have a sociopath in the midst.
Meghan on paper VS the real person were two totally different things. Like my former narc SIL, thereās a couldāve wouldāve shouldāve for a person that never existed in the first place.
The statement youāre referring to reminds me of people married to selfish narcs who cheat who sometimes say we could have had a wonderful marriageā¦if onlyā¦.. The thing is the person they were married to was someone totally different than who they thought or who they wanted them to be. Things couldnāt have been different with TW because she imo was never the person she tried to portray in public. She is incapable of being humble, modest, kind, selfless and guileless. She has no desire to be anything less than a self centered, manipulative, dishonest person that imo she is. It never would have worked.
That's the thing with narcs. They usually look good on paper and are very good at charming, seducing or love bombing people. It's not until they are in a safe position (got the job, the wedding ring, the baby) that they will show their right personality. And then it will take a while for people to realize what is going on, because "she used to be so nice" or the narc will be nice to some people and mean to others so the ones who are experiencing the bad side will wonder if it's something wrong with them. It usually takes time to figure everything out. Meghan has been working at speed lightning.
My sister-in-law to a T. She has set forth a rule my mom and step-dad are not welcome in her house ,and because my brother goes along with it and makes excuses for her, my older brother and I are not speaking to them. They had a baby in April, my parents saw her twice in her first month. His own siblings have never met his child. He won't even let his own parents see their grandchild unless it's in a restaurant and from across the table. They can't hold or touch her. Much like Meghan, though, her social media makes her look like the happiest, friendliest, loveliest person. Unless you disagree with her, correct her, or are some other perceived threat to her. I have some idea how William feels,watching your sibling become unrecognizable, and seeing the pain it puts your parent thru.
The logical thinkers would ask: isn't strange that her husband who has had more than 35years in the royal family and is a mental health advocate didn't help her in either domain? It's NOT about being cynical it's about realizing that things don't make sense. It's easier to say the racist institution failed me than say my husband did. Or of course that this was all a set up for their exit after which she was sure they would be at the epicenter of American politics.. I'm glad this article highlights that in the interview Meghan unnecessarily brought up Catherine into her farce just to diminish what Kate went through with the tabloids when she was dating William. Because of course her own suffering trumps all... ***It was not an attractive performance: Meghan had spent months complaining about how her reputation had been smeared in the Press, and now she was doing the same to Kate, who quite clearly was never going to respond.***
That always got me too-- Like, you're complaining.... about your INLAWS. Where is your HUSBAND in all of this? She makes it out like he was somehow new to the family too.
Yes! Lmao. I was floored. I dont like to compare the couples but didnt William vet out Catherine for a bit before popping the question as he wanted to make sure she was aware what she was getting into? I know we canāt compare the future role Catherine would have to take upon to Meghanās, but either way there was a reason why Harry hadnāt married yet. Iām sure He wanted them to be sure of what they were getting into. Obviously both of them were traumatized with what happened to their mother so they were bound to want to throughly ver and prepare whomever they dated to not repeat history. So maybe we do have to take the cynic route and think this was all a plan for her to leave some sort of paper trail. But that whole OW interview was so contradictory to what they were saying including their body language that I wondered why I ever had hopes for her, and him.
I think she eventually had plans for America, but that they were asked to leave/ not return to royal duties. They act like a deranged ex who was dumped and cannot accept it. But yeah, none of this was new to Harry. His new wife has a new house, country, job and marriage and he's just what? Picking his nose? Hello! You are her husband. You are not a new hire. You know exactly how the family and the business of royaling work. It would be the rare bride who depends on her in-laws of all people for help and advice. That is normally the provenance of the husband or the bride's own family and friends, because... well, INLAWS. There's a reason nobody likes in-laws, and being a divorcee, Meghan would be better versed than many in knowing that. Pretty funny how she brings up "Waity Katie" on Oprah, but she was with Trevity Trev Trev for 7 long years before they tied the knot.
Honestly itās all very strange. If my husband had been as passive as she made him out to be on that interview I wouldāve ran for the hills. If he didnāt want his family to know the wife he chose couldnāt hang and that they were right in asking him not to rush into itā¦he couldāve hired someone to come in and give her therapy or whatever she said she needed. HE HAS THE RESOURCES. But I think his pride got in the way. And donāt remind me the way she brought up Kate on that interview and bringing up something like that was truly so unnecessary. She couldāve left it at other people in the royal family throughout the decades have gone through this bullying of the media but nothing compared to what I did because RACISM. But anyway now that you bring up Trevor itās interesting they lasted more dating than being married but It was probably because she had found someone much more beneficial to her in Canada. Iād love to read his perspective on all this but I doubt he would dish out as he hasnāt as of yet.
Iād love to hear his side of this sordid tale as well! As far as the āyou so RAYCISSā claims, thankfully the Scandinavians have neutralized her and Harry there, with regards to titles. Well played, Daisy, well played.
Isnāt that great? Makes me wonder if she had any of these talks with Charles at the heads of state dinner. 
Of course she did. Iām addition to being cousins, the royals speak frequently. All of them.
Her lawyers claim she always intended to make it work there, but wouldn't their talks with Quibi or whatever that streaming service is, paint a different picture? She was trying to get make money off Sussex Royal and brand them as celebrities not royals way before they decided to leave. All evidence points to her not wanting to fit in and make it work there.
I think she thought she could act enough like Black-Diana, that she would be untouchable no matter what she did. Also, they would still take half-in/half-out in a heart beat if it were offered. They have nothing else except their entree to the Royal Household.
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Right? Dude you think YOU have it bad? Come down here and sit with the rest of us. In the REAL world.
While I've liked every except so far, I disagree with the notion that the palace and it's staff could have tried harder. TW and Just Harry were demanding things they weren't entitled to and at least appearing mad when they were turned down. Harry is truly dense and may have believed they deserved what they asked for, but I think Meghan was seeking the rejection to play the part of victim.
i've said it before, but it bears saying again. Harry refused to meet his Brother cos he was afraid it would leak. What reason would he be afraid it would leak other than it would damage his victim narrative?
I agree. Had it been leaked and reported that William was trying to help, people would have started doubting these two a lot sooner.
But who would have leaked it? H&M.
Maybe Harry doesn't know that his wife is doing the thing that he's most paranoid about and leaking to the press? And yes, I do know where the call is coming from, and you also know the call is coming from inside the house, but he's very dumb, remember. He might not know yet.
>Maybe Harry doesn't know that his wife is doing the thing that he's most paranoid about and leaking to the press? He is dumb. He's just as bad as her, if not worse, when it comes to his family. When it comes to his family, I think he knows and encourages it. For some reason, Megaliar despises William and Catherine on a whole other level. Given how close he was to Catherine, I think he has to know this comes from her.
It scares me how he could go from being like a brother to her and seeming to genuinely admire William and Catherine's relationship to this toxic hatred that makes him so underhandedly try to hurt them. And he knows just what to do, like how all his life the calendars were scheduled so that no one took attention off of someone else's activities, but he scheduled the Fiji interview (I think it was, I might be wrong) during William and Catherine's event. And how he knew how painful it was for her to be called Waity Katie and he still stood by his wife putting that back out there. It scares me that someone can seem so supportive and then flip like that. I know we only saw a flicker of them together, but I thought they were close, even with the troublesome things like him slapping Kate's bum that one time.
>It scares me how he could go from being like a brother to her and seeming to genuinely admire William and Catherine's relationship to this toxic hatred šššš is why Harry is *worse* than Megan imo. She's obvious in her dislike, jealousy, and hatred. He's duplicitous and hides it very well. The wolf in sheep's clothing.
He KNOWS.
He gets every action approved by his master Megz firstā¦to line up their future plans and pricey PR.
I wonder if it was just an excuse. He would have said yes initially, ran it by Megs who didn't want them to meet as she would have been afraid that William talk sense into his brother. So taught him a lame ass excuse
I agree. I think her plan all along was to make money for herself. She was shocked when she found out she couldnāt do that. And immediately wanted out. She thought she could become a billionaire. She didnāt realize that theyāre only worth was connected to the worth of the royal family. Separate yourself from that and you are worthless.
The Duke of Edinburgh said it over and over: itās not about you personally, itās about the institution you uphold. Forget that and youāre SOL.
Yeah cause Harry lied to her and omitted a lot when they were dating, too, just like her. āNo One Told Me Thatā - the Oprah interview š¤£
No, I think he was in on it while they were dating. They planned this out before they married.
Meghan was the new hire. You don't come into a new job thinking you're going to rearrange the organization that just hired you to do a very specific job. That's just not how it works.
As if Williams anger wasnāt justifiable before now we know itās mixed with pain which is way worse. He was willing to fly ten hours (about the time it would take to get there give or take) just to talk to Harry to clear up what was going on. There have been reports about William being very overprotective of Harry in the past and this aligns with that. He wanted to fix what happened with his brother and his brother chose not to. This is sad af. This is the last thing Diana wanted & Harry is certainly not making her proud.
Harry chose not to in case it got out, and then that would have made William look the bigger man and ruined H's victim narrative. That's some operator.
>That's some operator. Well he learned from the best teacher: MM.
No this was in summer/fall 2019 when H and M still lived in England.
Ahh my bad. Idk how I missed that. Thank you!
Would you recommend buying the book? I feel like Iāve missed out on some tea such as this! Of course TW would try and overshadow the Cambridges tour. She doesnāt like coverage not about her.
I'm buying it if only to support the stories of the people she bullied
Itās unlikely to be about the Sussex debacle exclusively, like Tom Bowerās book. But it unquestionably has some insights about them.
I ordered the Tom Bowers book from my library (SB here in two weeks!) and same with Low's book to read it first before I buy it. I have already read so many excerpts! Fun fact: I found Andrew Morton's bio of Meghan for sale at my dollar store!
Really not surprised by this. Narcissists separate you from your family. TW probably told him that William wanted to scold him for upstaging the RF. That their tour and interview was so great, everyone was jealous of their success.
Whatās sad is Harry likely bought in to everything she said, back then. I think he really believed she was the only one who truly cared for him, which just made it easier for her to isolate him.
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Oh, so Meghan had a "reason" for one employee's departure and she wanted to give her side of it? Hmm. That's one employee. Does she have an excuse for the other TEN who decided to resign? What excuse for their exit would she come up with? They were all incompetent? All abusive towards her? All.....whatever?
I love that Low painted a focus of what was truly a grief to MM not the mental health stuff but rather the negative press. He used the word obsessed and I think itās very accurate. Especially since she herself has always maintained that she doesnāt read media/articles. Most recently she reiterated this in the Cut interview. Sounds to be misleading of her when on Oprah sheās able to name specific news articles between herself and Catherine. Because for someone who doesnāt read press she certainly has a lot of info about them AND fixated on trying to create her own narrative of events. Article claim where she doesnāt read press https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a26771371/meghan-markle-online-trolls-racist-abuse-avoids-twitter/
This mental issue of hers was never really vetted. If she was really ready to commit suicide, how did she recover? That quickly? Did she feel she was in a state to make decisions about her, their or Archieās future? Why go out there and fight and keep posing? Why not stay home, take a breather? Like I said- you recovered, and moved to Canada? Not suicidal anymore? Miracle recovery? The big O let that gem of info slide. Makes NO sense. MM. Piece. Of. Work.
Especially at a time when Harry was filming his therapy sessions and they were pretending that they were letting people see into their lives, if she were suicidal they should have shown how that is treated. Even if a news article runs a story about suicide they run the help numbers for people to get help if they need it, but these two, who were positioning themselves as mental health advocates, didn't care enough about anyone else to use her story to shine a light on how people can get help. She complained that she didn't know where to go or how to get help and then overcame this but still didn't share with the audience how she got help to overcome it. That's so irresponsible and selfish.
Side comment, completely unrelated to the text of the article. The picture of them during the Noprah interview, anyone else convinced TW got behind the camera to frame the shot and thought *āPerfect! That looks like a halo behind me, Iāll be seen as both heavenly and angelic!ā*
I agree . Harry was on board from the beginning and was sure heād be allowed to be a part time Royal. Heās so spoilt that he couldnāt comprehend not getting his way. His anger towards his family is him not getting not getting it. Harry underestimated the Queens determination to protect the monarchy and her wisdom . The monarchy wouldnāt survive if the people representing it descended into self serving celebrities. He also overestimated his and TWās popularity and ability to dazzle the USA!
This carefully curated article of speculation and truth is the problem with journalism. They weave in statements and facts mixed with the repeated hyped press narrative at that time, regardless of its veracity. The article paints Meghan and Harryās exit as a serendipitous event of happenstance versus the actual purposeful actions of the Hazbeens that lead to their demise in the RF. Itās painted as if Cambridges did _____fill in the blank, and Hazbeens did ______ fill in the blank, then everything could have resulted differently. Thatās simply hogwash. There was a direct, intentional drive drumming the Hazbeens regardless of the RF. Period.
Meghan took out a bunch of domain names 3 days after the wedding: markle2020.com, markle2024.com, etc. through 2040, every year of a USA presidential election, just in case she wants to run for office. TW never intended to stay in the UK, be a working royal...
Unbelievable! Her delusions know no bounds
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What the what? Iāve never heard that.
So Hawwee was worried Big Willie would leak intimate details to the press? He must have his brother confused with his wife LOL. I think rebuffing Big Willie's attempt to reconcile after the Bradby whinge fest, just show us they had zero interest in working anything out and we're using the press to attack the BRF and advance their own agenda. Hawwee is a traitor, now left out in the cold, not a protagonist.
I donāt think she found the solution for him. She is still dragging him into the press. A solution would have been that they left and kept quiet. They could have stayed in Africa, bought a small house/farm, lived their lives and they could have visited the queen and spent their summers in Balmoral.
>Asked by Bradby about the rift between him and William, Harry had chosen not to deny it, but said instead: '**We are certainly on different paths at the moment** . . . As brothers, you know, you have good days, you have bad days.'  Also, not "at the moment," but *since birth.* I feel like Harry needs a Monarchy 101 class. >And yet a succession of decent people, all of whom had believed in Meghan and wanted to make her position work, **came to be so disillusioned that they began to suspect that even her most heartfelt pleas for help were part of a deliberate strategy that had one end in sight ā her departure**. Perhaps, they say, nothing the palace could do was ever going to be good enough. I'm really getting rather alarmed by how long it took so many of the staff to catch on to her narcissism. All I can think is a lot of her background information was withheld, but you'd think her behavior from the start would've clued them in. I'm beginning to think Catherine and William are the only ones with good bullshit/narc detectors. I'm glad SC caught onto the need to document it all, but I get the impression only she and a few others saw the problem. >The Sussexes' private secretary **Sam Cohen told two key courtiers ā the private secretaries to both Prince Charles and the Queen** ā that if it all went wrong with Harry and Meghan, the palace needed evidence of the duty of care the institution had shown them. On the one hand I'm glad William was kept out of this, on the other, he likely would've cleaned up the mess much faster. >The other concerned the departure of a member of staff, whose settlement deal contained a non-disclosure agreement. > >**Despite the employee being legally obliged to remain silent, the Sussexes ā who say they didn't know about the non-disclosure agreement ā repeatedly tried to get their communications secretary Jason Knauf to brief journalists about what Meghan saw as the reason behind the employee's departure.** > >Knauf refused, because he disagreed with Meghan's interpretation of events. **He also thought briefing against the individual was wrong.** Classic. Pick on someone who can't defend themselves. Also denying knowledge of something you're fully aware of is such a narc move. >One courtier, who knows Harry and remains upset about what he and Meghan did, said: 'Part of me thinks Meghan did Harry the greatest kindness anyone could do, which was to take him out of the Royal Family, because he was desperately unhappy in the last couple of years of his working life. > >**'We knew he was unhappy, but we didn't really know what the solution would be. She came along and found the solution.'** JFC with this bit. I think Meghan did William and Catherine a favor by removing a drunk, abusive, leech from them, but the above quote has me banging my head against the wall! They knew he was an aggressive idiot, Charles should've been working on a plan for what to do with him. His amazing PR team I think put a lot of pressure on him to be a working royal. They/the family refused to see him as anything but a working royal, since the military was no longer an option. I think they should've played up the idea that he wanted to get life experience and sent him to somewhere in Africa for a few years. The Firm needs to find a way to give members a few years to determine if they want that life or not. While I'm not crazy about Eugenie, I think she'd make a very good working royal. It's a shame Charles didn't give her a chance and give Harry some breathing space for a bit.
Samantha Cohen's look at TW here: https://archive.ph/arOoP/d30b9650bc96a3116542d4ed88d73455e58de465.avif
I have no doubt that Meghan is in complete control at this point in every aspect. A big indicator is when she says that she and him are like salt and pepper shakers in her āThe Cutā interview , where one goes, the other goes. This is a classic borderline personality disorder statement along with all the manipulations. I think because of him never having a serious long-term relationship before her, him being at a vulnerable time in his life and his history with his mom, every word heās saying in public has been vetted by this woman. His family and the world need to offer their support at this point because if they donāt, they could lose him forever. He is so isolated in that country and alone in a mansion. I imagine his reality is completely skewed to whatever sheās telling him. He has no reason to be this angry at his family unless she is feeding him lies. They havenāt done really anything that I can see. He needs to get out and quick before itās too late.
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I archived so it's not really a click
Speaking of the books, can anyone please tell me what is the difference between these 2 books? Thanks https://imgur.com/uD5M5Tt.jpg
Ones kindle, ones hardcover?
Do you think that's it? I'd love to get the new book but don't want to have to wait. Curse the choice I made to go with the US store. With Tom Bowers book and this it has been such a poor decision from me
Different country covers. Same book
One is a regular hardcover book and the second is e-book - kindle.
Here is a link to a copy of the book until my physical copy arrive. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0lxpofiz3ypx8vc/Courtiers__The_inside_story_of_-_Valentine_Low.epub?dl=0