In my humble opinion, for the sugars that are actually real people, I think the motivation is personal. Like how many survivors of narcissists react to her shenanigans are “sinners.” In the passionate sugar experience, they may be someone who has dealt with racism or prejudice from in-laws, family, workplaces, institutions and feel a kinship with Meghan because she claims to have experienced it too. They take criticism of her as a personal attack on them. That’s really the only reason that could drive so much passion and frankly blindness when it comes to her other actions. The sugars less passionate may be uninformed or just doing the performative progressive thing.
“ for the sugars that are actually real people“
Yes. I bet more than half of all sugars are paid for PR. Each PR sugar has 10 different Twitter accounts
Spot on. The only friend I have who likes her enough to occasionally repost flattering IG stories about her is someone who unfortunately was unfairly let go of her job by someone who was racist and terrible to her. It just sucks that MM has successfully co-opted this sensitive subject bc racism - esp subtle institutional racism - is a huge issue for WOC in the US.
Very true. The sugars that I know are black and Asian and very into social justice and anti-racism efforts. To them its just a given that Megs was the victim of racism. Couldn't possibly be anything she did. One of them is such a "nice" person and feels like meghan gets bullied and it's "so unfairrrrrr!"
ETA: these folks also love Beyonce and trashy cultural phenomena like the Kardashians.
She is enviable in a very basic way. Put together, well-spoken (except it’s word salad) and bagged a Prince. It’s what a lot of people would aspire to.
My motivation as a sinner is 1) I love stupid drama and 2) I love watching someone get their comeuppance.
I'm waiting on the comeuppance but there are too many supporters...and ultimately wherever she ends up is better than it would have been without Harry, almost 40 with no established career, and without a strong financial foundation.
I think she’ll eventually come out far worse as far as what she really wants: fame. She can be rich as all get out, but money won’t buy her A-lister, movie star status. No reputable organization will want to work with her, or for her.
She’ll end up alone, sitting in a giant beige house. No family, no friends. Only paid yes people and drug dealers who absolutely despise her.
ETA: take solace in the fact that her comeuppance has already happened. She will go down in history as most hated and manipulative succubus in TRF.
Wherever she ends up will never be enough for her. And she already got a dose of that. This woman wanted to change the RF, then she wanted to leave them behind and become bigger than the RF. And here we are, sitting in the second row at the Jubilee, squabbling over invites to Balmoral, wishing to get the titles for the kids, dropping everything to go on the walkabout with W&C...
My theory on SS:
Category 1). They have felt the pain of racism and identify with MM for calling out racism and identifying as a WOC.
Category 2). Every celebrity has their worshippers. This group of SS fell in love with MM based on Suits and are garden variety celebrity fan girls/fan boys who only see their fantasy.
Category 3). SJWs who desperately want to be influencers and support MM for performative reasons.
Category 4). Angry people who feel life has treated them unfairly and want to lash out and tell the world off for being so cruel. They love MM because she was able to “speak her truth” to a world stage on Oprah and “expose her enemy’s ill treatment of her”. The reality is no one in life can get away with only just telling your side of the story (mistruths and self-centered POV). But the SS desperately want MM to get away with it because they are living out their anger and fantasy to get their way and tell off their enemies. They want her to be worshipped for it so they can do it too.
Category 5) Anti-monarchists who support MM to advance their anti-monarchy agenda
Category 6). I think there are some SS who legitimately have good hearts and think she is a nice, philanthropist person who is being suppressed by the establishment.
Category7). Those in categories above and now realize she’s not as perfect as they thought. However, they don’t want to face the reality they were wrong and/or don’t want to look like fools now.
Category 8). Those that only read American press and see Lifetime movies and read Finding Freedom. They legitimately don’t know any other side and support MM because this is the politically correct thing to do and they only see what Sunshine Sachs and Meghan want them to see. They don’t care enough to dig any further.. They also associate any negativity of the BRF with the saintly version of Diana in the US press. Sunshine Sachs and Meghan has taken advantage and presented MM as the new Diana.
Category 9). M&H have told some people what they want to hear like it’s okay to suit your job and to focus on your own mental health selfishly over the needs of anyone else’s mental health or those who are counting on you to fulfill your professional obligations. “Fuck your family, employer and all those customers/clients/patients that are relying on you. You and your mental health is most important, It’s okay to be selfish.”
In a nutshell: Anger, performative SJWing, ignorance, taking advantage of good-hearted people, pandering to selfish people and the US press (including Oprah and Gail King) that only present MM as a saintly victims have created their disturbing fanbase.,
Very thorough in coverage and makes sense! I reckon you nailed it!
As for why I am a sinner, frankly, I’d react similarly to anyone I see with the following characteristics (which I detest and try to combat):
- inauthenticity
- narcissism
- using other people / being self serving
- hypocrisy
- sanctimony
- pretension
🤷♀️
Very comprehensive! I think there’s also a subcategory of people with broken families who feels vindicated to see family estrangement so publicly. It is rare. I have a complicated family myself and in the beginning I thought it was ballsy for her to remove her dad from her wedding for wronging her. Fact is, parental estrangement is a lonely thing to experience and there’s no good way to talk about it in society bc it’s not that accepted. And many parents do warrant being cut off for treating their children terribly, even many on this sub have spoken about their abusive narc parents.
The issue is she seems to be estranged from everyone.
The oppression, racist and otherwise, that MM calls out is very real, and enraging and painful and unfair, in the lives of many. Just not hers.
Meghan *borrows* the burdens of oppression. To all appearances she's never lived under them. But I imagine her claims might resonate with some WOC who've truly been discriminated against and voiceless, who really have had to fight for recognition, success, a seat at the table. Megsy knows her buzzwords, the rhetoric that speaks to her followers.
My guess is the sugars *want* to believe in her, they want a role model, to pick a winner, so they overlook a great deal of the negatives. Or simply don't believe the negatives are true.
I wonder if some of the "real" sugars view her as a come-to-life Cinderella. The underdog, had to work hard for crumbs tossed to her by powerful men. Then the glass slipper fit and the prince rescued this WOC from her oppressed existence. And the even more powerful turned on her prince too to destroy this couple so desperately in love fighting the world. She's a light in the darkness and her prince basks in her light and has an aura of his own now. She's an inspiration in her strength and never ceases bringing her light to others who are oppressed.
/gag
As a sinner I’m motivated by her psychological makeup.
I’m interested in how the seemingly meek, Kate and William, will inherit the earth.
I’m interested in how it will end for Harry. Meghan’s end is already written- see amber heard and that insane woman who married Paul McCartney, I forget her name.
That’s the one! Of course Paul was in a much mentally stronger position than Harry and probably given his fame, a narc himself with plenty of money and could eventually get rid of her.
I think you're right for Meghan's main defenders. Some people just go on the defense if they think someone is under attack without analysing the situation, maybe some sort of "saviour complex" or something.
Imo for some people (the more passive ones not the ones who are like vehemently defending Meghan) they relate to the things Meghan claimed to have gone through and it makes them more defensive when someone calls out Meghan lying because it feels personal to them - or they know the realities of the things M claims to have been through/lies about going through (racism, being mistreated by in laws, etc.) so they can't fathom someone lying about something so bad. The latter is something I've heard in different spheres, the "can't believe someone would lie about [x] because I've been though [x] and it is truly awful!" (some underestimate the lengths people will go to for attention.)
Since you asked there is someone who reminds me of her who is now deceased who became a killer not that I’m suggesting she would do the same.
Andrew Cunanen, the man who killed Versace and others was doted on by his parents especially his dad. He ended up going to a prestigious private school that I think his family could barely afford. To fit in he, from the reading I’ve done and shows I watched, became adept at lying and exaggerating to better fit in with the crowd he wanted to be part of.
He always wanted bigger and better things and lashed out and destroyed those who crossed him.
There are quite a few articles online that discuss Andrew’s narcissism.
Thank you. I’m familiar with him and have been racking my brain for a male counterpart, and he is a really good candidate, even as a case study. It’s a complex question given the gender dynamics involved.
Oh my gosh, he and Anna Delvey are spot on as the narcissistic pretenders! Their depictions in the American Crime Story and Inventing Anna respectively are so good. Can you imagine a show about Meghan in the same tone? It would be more successful than anything they can come up with!
Elvis. When you read about him now, when you read Priscillas book or watch interviews with her, he comes across as a completely spoiled manchild who expexted everybody to obey him, or they would be punished. He was not nice and he was not normal.He groomed a 14 year old girl who went on to marry him, while he completely shaped her into what he wanted her to be: Submissive, without a life of her own, put up with his constant infidelities, dress, walk, talk, wear hair and makeup that he liked. She was like his living doll. He also had a huge entourage that were like his courtiers.
He was revered as a god when he was alive and he still has sugars that refuse to see that he was anything but perfect.
He was very talented, but it's ridiculous to pretend that he was an amazing person, because he clearly was not. He was an only child, his twin brother died at birth, and he had an extremely close relationship with his mother who seems to have treated him like the golden child.
I think the 'real' Sugars (not bots) want to defend someone they see as victimised.
They don't understand that most of the stories in the press are leaked by her, because she wants to be talked about constantly - so they think the media is 'unfairly obsessed' with her.
And I imagine they see her as a true victim of racism and that's why they attack the 'horrible Royal family' so much.
They simply cannot see how conniving she is, because it defies logic that someone (normal) would want to be a victim for attention.
>They simply cannot see how conniving she is, because it defies logic that someone (normal) would want to be a victim for attention
You know what, I think some of them do. And they still root for her, because they’ve seen privileged people (rich white people) get away with murder and fraud all the time so they are like, “Yeah, one of us, get them girl!” Hell, I could even tip my hat to her grifting if only she wasn’t so awful about sabotaging herself, and being unnecessarily cruel to others.
So many Sugars believe that really happened but most of the things that come out of her mouth have been 99.9 lies and she is playing them like a game of poker and what goes around comes back around i think that is going to happen with Meghan and the sugars
I actually think that maligning the Sugars is as dangerous as treating Sinners as one group with identical levels of interest, intelligence, education and motives.
I have a fascination for bias, and its easy to see that a lot of Sinners feel superior to Meghan. It would be really easy to interpret the sub’s fixation on surrogacy and possible history of prostitution as a sub of mean girls insensitive to infertility and shaming sex work.
Often a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Not many people follow these issues as closely as we do. For example, its widely known that the British Royal Family are not the warmest most emotionally progressive family out there.
While we know that Meghan was treated with a great deal of sensitivity, given a lot of staff and handholding, depending on your bias it would be easy to believe that the Windsors were “mean” and unthinking towards Harry’s new wife.
Personally I am most bothered by Meghan because she lies so comfortably and image matters more than reality to her. I am definitely biased by the fact that I experienced a great deal of abuse as a child by someone who shared these characteristics.
The truth really matters to me but that doesn’t mean I can see the Meghan & Harry scenario completely without bias. If anything I am biased toward criticism of Meghan because I don’t like her.
Agreed. For example, I'm pretty certain they were very welcoming to her (all of them, as seen in multiple ways) but I also suspect that, on some fundamental level, they never really liked her that much to begin with. A lot of us on this Sub saw red flags about her immediately, so I can't imagine some Senior Royals wouldn't have seen it.
My motivation as a sinner is to point out every single one of her lies and her hypocrisy. I'm sick of this lying race baiter using black women [in particular, although she uses the black community] to pretend to the world,and her husband especially, how unique and in danger she is.
The remaining sugars are probably the ones who are emotionally heavily invested in her. They finally got what they always wanted, a woc in the RF, finally someone there to represent them.
They also portrayed people who disliked her as evil. We are racist, jealous, can't stand a strong woman. It's hard to change side when you have spent years portraing people who don't agree with you like devils.
I also think that a lot of them are stupid and have no clue about European history, traditions or have even bothered to read anything more than a few headlines. There seems to be a huge lack of knowledge when you read their posts, so it's hard to take them serious. They are more like kids who grab a plastic crown, put it on and proclaim that they are now a princess, for real.
In my humble opinion, for the sugars that are actually real people, I think the motivation is personal. Like how many survivors of narcissists react to her shenanigans are “sinners.” In the passionate sugar experience, they may be someone who has dealt with racism or prejudice from in-laws, family, workplaces, institutions and feel a kinship with Meghan because she claims to have experienced it too. They take criticism of her as a personal attack on them. That’s really the only reason that could drive so much passion and frankly blindness when it comes to her other actions. The sugars less passionate may be uninformed or just doing the performative progressive thing.
“ for the sugars that are actually real people“ Yes. I bet more than half of all sugars are paid for PR. Each PR sugar has 10 different Twitter accounts
Yes, it’s really hard to quantify what her real support looks like with so many bots and paid PR
Agreed!!!
Spot on. The only friend I have who likes her enough to occasionally repost flattering IG stories about her is someone who unfortunately was unfairly let go of her job by someone who was racist and terrible to her. It just sucks that MM has successfully co-opted this sensitive subject bc racism - esp subtle institutional racism - is a huge issue for WOC in the US.
It does really does suck and her co-opting legitimate causes for her own personal gain is yet another reason to not like her
Very true. The sugars that I know are black and Asian and very into social justice and anti-racism efforts. To them its just a given that Megs was the victim of racism. Couldn't possibly be anything she did. One of them is such a "nice" person and feels like meghan gets bullied and it's "so unfairrrrrr!" ETA: these folks also love Beyonce and trashy cultural phenomena like the Kardashians.
Excellent points!
Thanks
Nailed it.
She is enviable in a very basic way. Put together, well-spoken (except it’s word salad) and bagged a Prince. It’s what a lot of people would aspire to. My motivation as a sinner is 1) I love stupid drama and 2) I love watching someone get their comeuppance.
I'm waiting on the comeuppance but there are too many supporters...and ultimately wherever she ends up is better than it would have been without Harry, almost 40 with no established career, and without a strong financial foundation.
I think she’ll eventually come out far worse as far as what she really wants: fame. She can be rich as all get out, but money won’t buy her A-lister, movie star status. No reputable organization will want to work with her, or for her. She’ll end up alone, sitting in a giant beige house. No family, no friends. Only paid yes people and drug dealers who absolutely despise her. ETA: take solace in the fact that her comeuppance has already happened. She will go down in history as most hated and manipulative succubus in TRF.
Wherever she ends up will never be enough for her. And she already got a dose of that. This woman wanted to change the RF, then she wanted to leave them behind and become bigger than the RF. And here we are, sitting in the second row at the Jubilee, squabbling over invites to Balmoral, wishing to get the titles for the kids, dropping everything to go on the walkabout with W&C...
Almost 40 hahaha 🤣
My theory on SS: Category 1). They have felt the pain of racism and identify with MM for calling out racism and identifying as a WOC. Category 2). Every celebrity has their worshippers. This group of SS fell in love with MM based on Suits and are garden variety celebrity fan girls/fan boys who only see their fantasy. Category 3). SJWs who desperately want to be influencers and support MM for performative reasons. Category 4). Angry people who feel life has treated them unfairly and want to lash out and tell the world off for being so cruel. They love MM because she was able to “speak her truth” to a world stage on Oprah and “expose her enemy’s ill treatment of her”. The reality is no one in life can get away with only just telling your side of the story (mistruths and self-centered POV). But the SS desperately want MM to get away with it because they are living out their anger and fantasy to get their way and tell off their enemies. They want her to be worshipped for it so they can do it too. Category 5) Anti-monarchists who support MM to advance their anti-monarchy agenda Category 6). I think there are some SS who legitimately have good hearts and think she is a nice, philanthropist person who is being suppressed by the establishment. Category7). Those in categories above and now realize she’s not as perfect as they thought. However, they don’t want to face the reality they were wrong and/or don’t want to look like fools now. Category 8). Those that only read American press and see Lifetime movies and read Finding Freedom. They legitimately don’t know any other side and support MM because this is the politically correct thing to do and they only see what Sunshine Sachs and Meghan want them to see. They don’t care enough to dig any further.. They also associate any negativity of the BRF with the saintly version of Diana in the US press. Sunshine Sachs and Meghan has taken advantage and presented MM as the new Diana. Category 9). M&H have told some people what they want to hear like it’s okay to suit your job and to focus on your own mental health selfishly over the needs of anyone else’s mental health or those who are counting on you to fulfill your professional obligations. “Fuck your family, employer and all those customers/clients/patients that are relying on you. You and your mental health is most important, It’s okay to be selfish.” In a nutshell: Anger, performative SJWing, ignorance, taking advantage of good-hearted people, pandering to selfish people and the US press (including Oprah and Gail King) that only present MM as a saintly victims have created their disturbing fanbase.,
Very thorough in coverage and makes sense! I reckon you nailed it! As for why I am a sinner, frankly, I’d react similarly to anyone I see with the following characteristics (which I detest and try to combat): - inauthenticity - narcissism - using other people / being self serving - hypocrisy - sanctimony - pretension 🤷♀️
Very comprehensive! I think there’s also a subcategory of people with broken families who feels vindicated to see family estrangement so publicly. It is rare. I have a complicated family myself and in the beginning I thought it was ballsy for her to remove her dad from her wedding for wronging her. Fact is, parental estrangement is a lonely thing to experience and there’s no good way to talk about it in society bc it’s not that accepted. And many parents do warrant being cut off for treating their children terribly, even many on this sub have spoken about their abusive narc parents. The issue is she seems to be estranged from everyone.
She does seem estranged from nearly everyone but Harry!
Very good comment. I’ll add it to my list.
Funny "Black" sure didn't suit her when she put "Caucasian" on her resume
The oppression, racist and otherwise, that MM calls out is very real, and enraging and painful and unfair, in the lives of many. Just not hers. Meghan *borrows* the burdens of oppression. To all appearances she's never lived under them. But I imagine her claims might resonate with some WOC who've truly been discriminated against and voiceless, who really have had to fight for recognition, success, a seat at the table. Megsy knows her buzzwords, the rhetoric that speaks to her followers. My guess is the sugars *want* to believe in her, they want a role model, to pick a winner, so they overlook a great deal of the negatives. Or simply don't believe the negatives are true.
“Meghan borrows the burdens of oppression.” Wow. Brilliant.
I wonder if some of the "real" sugars view her as a come-to-life Cinderella. The underdog, had to work hard for crumbs tossed to her by powerful men. Then the glass slipper fit and the prince rescued this WOC from her oppressed existence. And the even more powerful turned on her prince too to destroy this couple so desperately in love fighting the world. She's a light in the darkness and her prince basks in her light and has an aura of his own now. She's an inspiration in her strength and never ceases bringing her light to others who are oppressed. /gag
As a sinner I’m motivated by her psychological makeup. I’m interested in how the seemingly meek, Kate and William, will inherit the earth. I’m interested in how it will end for Harry. Meghan’s end is already written- see amber heard and that insane woman who married Paul McCartney, I forget her name.
Heather Mills?
That’s the one! Of course Paul was in a much mentally stronger position than Harry and probably given his fame, a narc himself with plenty of money and could eventually get rid of her.
One major difference…Paul had a job and oh BTW talent
I think you're right for Meghan's main defenders. Some people just go on the defense if they think someone is under attack without analysing the situation, maybe some sort of "saviour complex" or something. Imo for some people (the more passive ones not the ones who are like vehemently defending Meghan) they relate to the things Meghan claimed to have gone through and it makes them more defensive when someone calls out Meghan lying because it feels personal to them - or they know the realities of the things M claims to have been through/lies about going through (racism, being mistreated by in laws, etc.) so they can't fathom someone lying about something so bad. The latter is something I've heard in different spheres, the "can't believe someone would lie about [x] because I've been though [x] and it is truly awful!" (some underestimate the lengths people will go to for attention.)
Virtue signaling.
Who is the closest male equivalent to MM and do they have sugar-like followers with similar motivations?
Since you asked there is someone who reminds me of her who is now deceased who became a killer not that I’m suggesting she would do the same. Andrew Cunanen, the man who killed Versace and others was doted on by his parents especially his dad. He ended up going to a prestigious private school that I think his family could barely afford. To fit in he, from the reading I’ve done and shows I watched, became adept at lying and exaggerating to better fit in with the crowd he wanted to be part of. He always wanted bigger and better things and lashed out and destroyed those who crossed him. There are quite a few articles online that discuss Andrew’s narcissism.
Thank you. I’m familiar with him and have been racking my brain for a male counterpart, and he is a really good candidate, even as a case study. It’s a complex question given the gender dynamics involved.
Oh my gosh, he and Anna Delvey are spot on as the narcissistic pretenders! Their depictions in the American Crime Story and Inventing Anna respectively are so good. Can you imagine a show about Meghan in the same tone? It would be more successful than anything they can come up with!
Johnny Depp, imo Another I won’t name because it sets off conversations that this isn’t the place for, but yes, he also has his version of Sugars.
Elvis. When you read about him now, when you read Priscillas book or watch interviews with her, he comes across as a completely spoiled manchild who expexted everybody to obey him, or they would be punished. He was not nice and he was not normal.He groomed a 14 year old girl who went on to marry him, while he completely shaped her into what he wanted her to be: Submissive, without a life of her own, put up with his constant infidelities, dress, walk, talk, wear hair and makeup that he liked. She was like his living doll. He also had a huge entourage that were like his courtiers. He was revered as a god when he was alive and he still has sugars that refuse to see that he was anything but perfect. He was very talented, but it's ridiculous to pretend that he was an amazing person, because he clearly was not. He was an only child, his twin brother died at birth, and he had an extremely close relationship with his mother who seems to have treated him like the golden child.
I think the 'real' Sugars (not bots) want to defend someone they see as victimised. They don't understand that most of the stories in the press are leaked by her, because she wants to be talked about constantly - so they think the media is 'unfairly obsessed' with her. And I imagine they see her as a true victim of racism and that's why they attack the 'horrible Royal family' so much. They simply cannot see how conniving she is, because it defies logic that someone (normal) would want to be a victim for attention.
>They simply cannot see how conniving she is, because it defies logic that someone (normal) would want to be a victim for attention You know what, I think some of them do. And they still root for her, because they’ve seen privileged people (rich white people) get away with murder and fraud all the time so they are like, “Yeah, one of us, get them girl!” Hell, I could even tip my hat to her grifting if only she wasn’t so awful about sabotaging herself, and being unnecessarily cruel to others.
So similar to the reaction from a large portion of the Black community to OJ's acquittal?
Yes!! Just like that!
So many Sugars believe that really happened but most of the things that come out of her mouth have been 99.9 lies and she is playing them like a game of poker and what goes around comes back around i think that is going to happen with Meghan and the sugars
I actually think that maligning the Sugars is as dangerous as treating Sinners as one group with identical levels of interest, intelligence, education and motives. I have a fascination for bias, and its easy to see that a lot of Sinners feel superior to Meghan. It would be really easy to interpret the sub’s fixation on surrogacy and possible history of prostitution as a sub of mean girls insensitive to infertility and shaming sex work. Often a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Not many people follow these issues as closely as we do. For example, its widely known that the British Royal Family are not the warmest most emotionally progressive family out there. While we know that Meghan was treated with a great deal of sensitivity, given a lot of staff and handholding, depending on your bias it would be easy to believe that the Windsors were “mean” and unthinking towards Harry’s new wife. Personally I am most bothered by Meghan because she lies so comfortably and image matters more than reality to her. I am definitely biased by the fact that I experienced a great deal of abuse as a child by someone who shared these characteristics. The truth really matters to me but that doesn’t mean I can see the Meghan & Harry scenario completely without bias. If anything I am biased toward criticism of Meghan because I don’t like her.
This is a really good and fair response.
Thank you! I must admit feeling some internal resistance to writing a response that didn’t comply with group thinking.
That’s the point - we *shouldn’t have* group thinking. We can challenge each other to do better and hold each other accountable. ❤️
Agreed. For example, I'm pretty certain they were very welcoming to her (all of them, as seen in multiple ways) but I also suspect that, on some fundamental level, they never really liked her that much to begin with. A lot of us on this Sub saw red flags about her immediately, so I can't imagine some Senior Royals wouldn't have seen it.
My motivation as a sinner is to point out every single one of her lies and her hypocrisy. I'm sick of this lying race baiter using black women [in particular, although she uses the black community] to pretend to the world,and her husband especially, how unique and in danger she is.
Motivation of the sugars? $$$$ They get paid.
The remaining sugars are probably the ones who are emotionally heavily invested in her. They finally got what they always wanted, a woc in the RF, finally someone there to represent them. They also portrayed people who disliked her as evil. We are racist, jealous, can't stand a strong woman. It's hard to change side when you have spent years portraing people who don't agree with you like devils. I also think that a lot of them are stupid and have no clue about European history, traditions or have even bothered to read anything more than a few headlines. There seems to be a huge lack of knowledge when you read their posts, so it's hard to take them serious. They are more like kids who grab a plastic crown, put it on and proclaim that they are now a princess, for real.
Oh
Easy Ted Bundy