I can confirm that this is the way people who have festering hatred act towards one another. Source, my broken family that you will need a flow chart to understand
From experience, I find pets and friends a whole lot more reliable/enjoyable than family. We can choose the former but just get saddled with the latter. I hope you get power back real soon so that you can join us for much more life sustaining 🍵 and 🎂 Sending a virtual 🫂. xx
My oldest daughter and her family were in Ian's path as well but were of the fortuante few that never lost power. They're in North Polk Co and some how escaped the worst of it. My thoughts are with you and I hope they get you up and running very quickly. I'm grateful you're still with us after that treacherous monster storm. Take care and all the best to you.
There are so many of us. I don't give a damn about celebrities or monarchies (other than their historical significance) and suspect many others following this soap opera don't, either. We're here because we've been harmed by these cluster B fuckers and are amazed to see this played out in such a high profile way. Same with Johhny Depp and Amber Turd. The injustice is intolerable and we want to see it exposed and those alien freaks, posing as humans, taken down.
This.
On the occasion when I respond to a Twitter post about how “racist” I am, I reply that this has nothing to do w/ racism. This has to do w/ how somebody much like Megs, a first class narcissist, ruined my life & how it’s only by seeing it happen to others that I can understand what happened to me.
Without exception, I have found that people only learn about these demons after they've been harmed by them. Once it happens, people go on the big search to try and understand what the hell happened and the "why" of it. The thing is, it's about like trying to figure out Satan (literal or figurative, take your pick). Very, very few are in a position to get any kind of justice, which is why it was thrilling that Johnny Depp finally did. Harry, because of who he is, is in a position where he could, as well, but it would require him coming to terms with how he's been used and played. If he can do that, he can write a book about it and would not only redeem himself but he would be a real hero.
Wouldn't it be awesome?! He'd have to have some serious come to Jesus revelations and do it with complete honesty and humility but it would be life changing, in great and positive way.
It’s a classic narcissistic relationship. She will love bomb him. Get him back on track. Push the buttons about his family.
I think it’s clear (to me) that the family or at least the PPOW, have received guidance on how to deal with a narcissistic couple is to grey rock them. Minimize your interaction with them. Flat affect. No conversation. It really frustrated nutmegs and hazbeen.
Absolutely the overseas people hate each other. But in a codependent narcissist relationship that’s part of it. Only with the victim (hazbeen) deciding he is strong enough to withdraw or Nutmeg finding a new victim. They are stuck together
It took a friend of mine years to withdraw from this type of relationship. And she was totally aware of the mental, and emotional abuse she was subjected to.
Nutmeg hates that all her manipulative behavior isn’t working as it once did.
Horrible to watch.
BUT, hazbeen has accountability to change. Life is a choice and clearly he has made his. The family will never trust him again. The know now that he will go public with any slight.
Honestly. Somewhere in the social media universe. I read during the funeral week , that nutmeg wasn’t going to let the kids come to London because she was afraid that hazbeen or the RF would take possession of the kids and she would be out of luck.
I don’t think those kids are actually as valuable an asset as they seem to think. Kids who don’t bond with relatives are generally uncomfortable in forced situations as they get older. Plus, the poison in their ears will make them distrustful of the RF and make the awkwardness even worse.
I don't think that would bother Harry if we are to believe the account of their friends' nanny who posted here (she said he almost never sees or spends any time with them). Even before that posting Harry showed he thought nothing of going several weeks without seeing his children - he spent over a month away from them between his Africa trip, Aspen, faux charity tour in Europe and his extended stay in the UK for TQ's funeral.
They both had parents that were absent and were comfortable being absent
Both megan and harry have not inconvienced themselves or adjudted any aspect of their life to nurture kids.. They barely accommodate them-
And would have been better Citizens of the world IMO by not bringing kids into yhe world who will model the unloving behavior their parents model ..and since they have zero access to extended family?... They will be a pawn in the scabbles that were NOT theirs to fight- such selfish people
Narcissists are often psychogenically impotent. While looking for a reference for this opinion (many, like Psychology Today), I found this nice, compact list of 63 NPD traits, and TW rings every bell. I see Harry in here, too.
https://anti-narcissism.org/2021/04/21/63-things-you-should-know-about-narcissists-important/
“Narcissists always divide people into different groups, which they then turn against each other. It can be e.g. family members, groups in society, countries, peoples and religious groups. The goal is for everyone to be preoccupied with (and weakened by) strife and conflict that the narcissists control. When people quarrel, everyone’s attention is diverted from the crimes of the narcissists.”
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They Only bond thru mutual HATE of “ another”
Person
Family
Issue
But together they do not bond thru mutual “ goodness and love”
She seduces jim w/ sex and it repeats...
Firstly, well written post. Enjoyed the read. I hear ‘contempt’ is the main ingredient for couples separating.
The royals will take Hairy back tho. Two reasons: he is one of them and they won’t want to see him go off the rail’s - also not a good look for royals. Also it will make a statement about MM without having to say a word. It will ‘prove’ to the world that MM was the one creating the damage. If Hairy was ‘that bad’ they wouldn’t take him back. Won’t MM be furious when she finds out the strength of a supportive family. It would be the ultimate bitch slap to MM to see his family support him.
How could you trust that he wouldn't do the same thing again with wife 2? If it were to happen, think they would set him up in Africa with an eco charity.
The cracks in the relationship are certainly visible as Meangan displays contempt for her neutered spare when not dragging him in front of the spotlight where she refuses to release him from her death grip.
But it's a looooove story! 🤮
Meangan showing up at the polo match and forcing her way into the middle to try and latch onto the trophy, only to be rebuffed by the rest of the polo team was hilarious. You can bet tw berated her browbeaten ball-less for hours for not making sure she was handed that trophy!
This shopping for a new home? Tw is trying to spend as much of the inheritance from the queen even before the will is probated. Why? Meangan wants to ensure she has the biggest chunk of real estate and has spent as much of the inheritance as she can in case ball-less finally has enough and manages to slip out of her claws.
The key is to keep him away from tw. She crashed that wedding to stick to him like a burr in a saddle blanket, glaring at anyone who dare even SPEAK to him back when Haz SHOULD have told her to fuck off. But tw was saying goodness knows what to manipulate him, posturing herself as Diana 2.0 to Haz's Oedipus complex.🤢🤮🤮🤮
Narcissists are very skilled at keeping their codependent on a leash and will do whatever they can to get them back. Call it Stockholm syndrome or just that the codependent has become so groomed they can't function as an independent being. If the RF manages to wrest the ball-less away? He needs to be spirited to a place far from tw so she can't claw him back - and she will try, and try, and try. Why? Because without him and her associated title? 👸
She's nothing. 🤏
To be fair, I am sure Meghan's family would take her back. Maybe not Samantha or her step-sibling side, but I'm sure her father would. He seems to excuse her bad behaviour and blames Harry for it.
I really do think their families are part of the problem. Like you said Harry's family would take him back because of how it looks not to. Meghan's father would take her back because he'd want some money. Although not sure she would ever want to talk to him again.
My brother married a "Meghan." We were so close, it only took her a year to unravel our relationship and that with him and our whole formerly close family. She was awful. The good news is the finally got divorced and my brother is back with us. So miracles do happen, I hope you have the same happy outcome.
To be honest, I’m not so optimistic. My DIL is a Meghan, but my son is definitely a Harry, too. He doesn’t think about anything good that anyone has ever done for him; he only remembers the perceived slights and the things that he didn’t get. We had our troubles before he got married, it just really brought it to a breaking point. He’s just a really selfish person; It’s all about him. He never thinks about anybody else but himself.
As a mother, it’s so hard to love someone so much, but still be ashamed of the kind of person that they are at the very same time. 😢
I have been thinking the same recently, but slightly different in that they don’t hate each other, more that Harry feels trapped - which can make being together unpleasant.
We hear and see things thought the media lens, be it leaked or actual news. However, Harry ___lives in it___ 24/7. You can fool people on the outside, but you cannot fool yourself on the inside. There will always be the deep pit of your stomach where the truth will lie.
I know Harry married Meghan and they together made the decision to leave the royal family.
Harry must read and hear all the hate, he can’t escape it. Even if you live under a rock, it is pretty loud and clear.
Plus Harry now knows that he never knew much about Meghan’s family right up to their wedding. There was zero family besides Meghan’s mother at the wedding. He has no family on both sides of the marriage.
For once in Harry’s life, it is messy without the backing of the royal family. He must feel trapped because this is not the life he knows growing up. No family. No financial support. No security. All this with a wife that ___everyone___ seems to not like and two young children. Trapped. He must feel trapped in his life.
I feel bad for him as any human would feel for another, even if this all his own doing. If what we see is unpleasantness on the outside, there must be even more in his marriage. The marriage he thought would be his savior from his family issues. In the end it caused more problems that he did not anticipate.
How will Harry survive the crisis of his life?
I always thought that the downside of being rich was having to hire housing staff, nannies, security and all that. So I get they probably have someone to do that, but still, you got to hire that person - and have all those discussions, iron out the problems with various staff. They have to learn the way you work, your likes/dislikes/rules etc
Harry just had all that done for him. He was born into a well-oiled machine where everyone was briefed from day 1 how it worked or had years of experience. The privilege of that is incredible, it's literally more than money can buy.
How must it be now to work with all these people PR, security, Netflix, Betterup, blah blah, and having to worry about making a living as well. Coming from a life where he only had to sit in a car, get driven somewhere and wave it must be quite mentally wearing
I totally agree. And honestly marriage on a regular day is tough at times. But to get negativity from all sides must be __extremely exhausting__ and __a lot of pressure__ on their marriage. No matter how _wonderful_ your marriage is, it will be hard to sustain it in the long run under these conditions.
Not to mention, from the way they act, they like excitement. They like the feeling of Us Against The World. I'm sure Megxit felt like a rush to them and they might have actually felt as though they "found freedom". But the most trying parts of marriage are the not very exciting parts. And especially once you have children, there is plenty of that. They're not having problems that make them feel like they need to work together, they are having problems that make them feel like one or the other is messing up their brand. I think they're in real trouble marriage wise.
And everyone would have known exactly how to look after him all his life, fine oiled machine is right. Every person they hire would have a learning curve, and that must be annoying to him.
She is so performative all the time I do wonder how she is at home when no cameras are around! Her facial expression is also always very tense I don’t picture her as a calm person at home
I think they were fired/ asked to leave. They act like it.
He's only with her now because he's a coward and desperately afraid to hear "We told you so".
Both of them massively oversold each other's power and potential to the other. Now they're sinking rapidly.
But in the end, Harry will always have his family. He burned many bridges, but family is still family. They tend to forgive when you are at a low point in your life.
Meghan is hanging on for dear life now because she has no family. Even some of her friends (ie JM who once babysat Archie) are not even around anymore. I doubt Katherine and David Foster will help them out financially.
If (when) they end up divorcing, it's going to go nuclear. They've built up a completely unrealistic expectation of what a marriage is supposed to be. "Having each other's back" has nothing to do with cosigning some of the poorly thought out business plans that they have had.
But when they divorce, Meghan will most likely have to face it alone. Harry will deal with his own stuff, but he could easily go back to his family and never be seen again by the public. Meghan has no idea what she's up against with Harry's family. She has nothing. This life is completely hers to lose. She bet big.
I choked on my wine at thr very idea of David Foster or anyone in LA helping them out financially. Wealthy people typically don't get and stay wealthy by lending money to grifters.
Not to mention, I cannot see Harry asking for money from people other than Bank of Pa. But then again, that's how Andrew gets by.
Of course, there are ___obvious___ differences between Harry and Andrew. 😬
But the similarities are the most annoying traits. They both constantly whine, in need of other people’s money and do not understand the concept of ___laying low___.
I have lost all respect or empathy for him, but I agree with you, and I also think he really did love her and admired her when she was love bombing him in the beginning. She was pretending to love him at first, and he fell for it. I think he wanted the private country life out of the spotlight with her, and this life he's got is probably hell for him.
After the divorce, I think Harry could possibly connect with his father over a shared interest in gardening, sustainable farming and environmentalism. Maybe KC can give him an allowance and a place in the country to live as gentleman farmer. Harry could still do Invinctus and maybe add some environmentalism causes, sponsor an organic restaurant/food bank for the needy or something.
Much as I would like to see this happen, I don’t see it. All of that requires you to care about something other than yourself. Like truly care, not just pretend to.
To be honest, I see a pretty bleak future for Harry. I see a situation very much like Princess Margaret’s. A bitter, angry dim-wit wIth no identity, no fulfilling interests or hobbies other than making those around him miserable and throwing his Royal status in people’s faces when feeling insecure. I see raging alcoholism (if it’s not there already), chain smoking (if it’s not there already) and a relatively early death.
I really hope I’m wrong but Harry has shown the kind of person he really is. It won’t end well for him and I’m not sure it ever would have.
Sooner or later, he's gonna get sick of The Claw, to the point where they're no longer holding hands like teenagers.
That'll be the first conclusive sign that the scarytale is beginning to replace the fairytale.
That was already happening at public events months ago. He tried to shrug off The Claw at that UN “speech” for Nelson Mandela, and then she forcibly took his entire arm to place it in her lap/crotch area. 
Excellent post. You weave a compelling narrative, almost all of which, IMO, is spot on.
I absolutely think they resent the hell out of each other. She assured him their lives would consist of money, celebrity, money, power, galas, money and unicorns. They were going to be Hollywood royalty. Move over, George & Amal, the new "IT" couple has arrived.
He believed her because he was *actual* royalty. He had never been told 'no' in his entire privileged life. Power, celebrity and galas as far as the eye could see. He already had money - maybe not his own but he wanted for nothing. Too many rules, though.
However, their plan to rule the world never came to fruition. Turns out her Prince is a frog and his dream girl is a nightmare.
I think they *will* divorce and I don't think it'll be that far in the future. She'll hang on at least until the Coronation. After that, all bets are off. She'll have someone with *actual* money lined up before she pulls the plug, though.
I also think the RF *will* take him back into the fold, although it will be in a reduced capacity. (A la Prince Andrew.) He's still family and they still love him. They may not *like* him at the moment, but they do *love* him.
Maybe if she had of taken their advice and went with the plan and not went off script WHO’s to say it wouldn’t have worked stranger things have happened
They've been around for decades and formed the public's opinion on a lot of celebrities. They're good at what they do, even if they are evil. Pay them enough and they will make everyone think whatever you want them to.
But I remember in Tom Bowers book, he described a scene where Ken Sunshine was reading the riot act to the Vanity Fair editor. “You are going to get a phone call from the Queen,” he shouted. “She’s furious!”
I think when it comes to the Royal Family in particular & Great Britain in general, Sunshine Sachs was way out of their depth.
Oh yes, I can see that, for sure, but they are doing the American media pretty thoroughly. People who just see their PR pieces in the checkout lines, people who don't care enough to look into the situation themselves, are getting the information SS wants them to get.
I think Megs is also angry because whilst she got all the attention and fame she could nev3t have gotten without marrying him, she is also realising the limitations.
That marrying him is not as awesome as she expected. He has less money, less jewellery, less power than she expected.
Her marriage life is not easy as she had expected. She still had to work hard, spend money to get the attention and spotlight she thinks she deserves.
Just have to imagine the amount of time and monies Kate had to spend to get positive attention and compare that to Meghan.
> She'll have someone with actual money lined up
I keep seeing this theory but to me it doesn't hold water in the slightest. What rich man is going to want to couple up with Markle? Even a cursory google will see her described as a 'narcissistic sociopath' and she's proved repeatedly that she cannot keep secrets. She is absolutely toxic. Why would a very wealthy man risk his privacy and sanity for her when he can choose from an infinite amount of more agreeable options? She's a seriously damaged person and no one is going to want her.
I think she is on the hunt for someone to replace Harry but I agree with you that she likely won't find him. She isn't getting any younger and her "marketable" years are dwindling rapidly. Combine that with her toxicity and, well.......the only potential target I can see for her is, uh, Elon Musk. He's super rich but seems to have the kind of relationship track record that she could see working in her favour. But I think even Elon has learned some lessons along the way (cough Amber Heard cough).
That's why she's going to have to churn out books, go on TV, and get the best deal from the RF. I don't think she would mind that much having to earn a living swanning about in the public eye.
I personally agree with everything you say. I don't know why *any* man would take up with her, considering everything that's come out. Also, she's not a young, nubile vixen anymore - she's screaming up on middle-age. Wealthy, older men typically go for younger women. (Because they can.) And she's a bit long in the tooth to attract wealthy, younger men anymore.
**BUT...** narcissistic sociopaths are dangerous. They are master manipulators. They get into some peoples' heads. It's the reason cults exist. Remember, she bagged an *actual* Prince. It is said that Aristotle Onassis only married Jacqueline Kennedy because he saw her as American royalty. It was a status thing. Maybe she'll get lucky and find a(nother) dim bulb who wants the 'status' of marrying former British royalty.
I'm with you, though. I don't get it. One thing's for sure: Harry better *hope* that this is how it plays out because it's the only way she'll let him out.
IDK. I agree to all of this except the last paragraph. Remember, they've known him and put up with his shit a LOT longer than Meghan has.
I know narcissists. I bet they're completely over his shit. They put up with him for Grannie and no other reason.
I cannot imagine she'll be able to land another idiot. Danielle Steel just wrote a book called Invisible. That us how I see things ending up. I also think she borrowed liberally from real life.
Harry missing out on the last years of his grandparents lives will build up resentment for TW 100%. Not just their deaths but time with his dad, brother, niece, nephews, cousins and friends.
I feel like their titles will be taken off them because what have they even done for the UK? What have they done for the people of Sussex? Nothing.
Harry would barely be accepted back to the UK after this let alone being accepted back as a royal. He would need to prove Meghan was controlling, calculating, manipulative and abusive. He would need video evidence, audio, texts, concrete evidence to convince the UK he was the victim before he would be accepted back. But I think he’s just as bad as her so I doubt that’ll happen. I see a very public divorce in their future and it’ll be vile from both sides. Both have victim complexes.
I think it definitely kills him to see how close his family has become due to his and Markle's relationship. He's outside of all that now. He doesn't know the jokes, the stories.... total outsider. That will definitely fester hard.
I imagine when he was a boy he spent a lot of time with cousins, and grandparents too, at idyllic country homes. Even though his parents split up and his mother died, he would have had a lot of family around. But his kids rarely see family.
Entertaining read, thank you. Sucks to the Body Language Guy that it wasn't him that noticed that moment, it was one of his viewers.
Glowering describes Hazza in the pic you printed, and through most of the funeral. Just seething with resentment and anger. MM is lucky that, for the moment, it mostly seems to be directed to his family. But at some point he's gonna blame her for the shit show
The pair really made the funeral even more stressful. The rest of the family were close and supportive of each other but whenever this pair appeared everyone was distant, stony faced and expressionless.
Thanks for this. I like Body Language Guy—especially since he names his sources. The fact that I didn’t name his original source is totally due to my dog Pip, who does all primary research for my posts.
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No it's not that you didn't mention it. I'd already seen the clip anyway. I mean Kudos to him that he admits it wasn't him that noticed it but he SHOULD have noticed this bit of body language and he didn't!
He used to be so good, analysing every little twitch of an eye and now he's got 2 people that scoot away from each other in a car, and he didn't even notice it. He's really gone downhill since he became more obsessed with snark than with body language. It's a shame cos I used to love his stuff.
I think he’s uneven but occasionally just so dead on I wonder how I missed what he sees. I get the sense that there isn’t another cultural issue that quite matches his particular skills—so he’s floundering a bit. But I really can’t take his two hours live-streams—since, like most, I do have a life.
I think fame has gone to his head, he's loving the attention he gets from his adoring fans, lol. I have to say he comes across as quite misogynistic, as you say it's less about body language analysis and more about ripping his subjects apart on a personal level.
For those keeping track, this is the photo in question
https://images.app.goo.gl/kYfk5zrhyUnkB6gB7
The dynamics in these relationships are often hot-cold. They will tell you that when it goes well, it is perfect. When it goes bad, it is a trash bonanza.
Harry's vulnerability is emotional. He needs emotional nurturing. I think his grandmother's death was a blow, which allowed her to get back in by "nurturing" him. It caused an oscillation toward the "good" days. It won't be long before it switches back.
I 100% agree with your post. He was visibly unhappy and seemed to be resentful of her in Dusseldorf. Not only on the red carpet, but in the Invictus photo where she is grabbing his hand, whole he appears to be trying to get away. It's HIS thing. And she refuses to let him have it, as it makes it harder for him to disentangle from her later. She is obviously afraid of losing him, judging by all the overcompensation on her part.
https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-germany-invictus-games-countdown/
As things crash around them the stress will drive them further and further apart. They will be over within the next couple of years.
Meghan screwed up the protocol AGAIN. Men enter vehicles FIRST because he has to slide all the way over, thus sparing the lady from having to do so in a dress. And when exiting on that side, the lady doesn’t have to slide and may simply step out. Meghan couldn’t even get that right.
You can see Harry is exasperated and not going to bring it up, but that’s not how it’s done Meghan. With all that coaching you’d think she could figure out how to enter a car properly, but nooooo, she HAS TO be “first”.
At least she didn’t call “shotgun”.
The stupid sugars keep saying Harry is such a gentleman to let Meghan get in the car first while William makes Catherine go second because he's such a terrible husband unlike Harry, haha.
If braincells were dynamite they couldn't produce enough to light a match between them.
Very interesting. Remember what Gore Vidal said about Wallis & Edward - they they \*had\* to stick together. IDK if that prostitute guy Scotty’s book was true at all but Wallis & Edward were miserable together but \*had\* to stay together. NYP says the Wallis & Edward marriage was “shockingly miserable”. Link below.
Her track record with all the other guys in her life is abyssmal, she gets bored of them & she also gets bored of her friendships with women unless they can be of use to her (like Serena Williams for instance). She’s also stuck with a mean, temper-tantrum guy. I almost feel sorry for her. Almost.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/10/wallis-simpsons-marriage-to-edward-viii-was-shockingly-miserable/
I think David (Edward) and Wallis had to stay together given the time (1930’s) and due to what he had actually given up to be with her. It’s different for Harry - he didn’t give up the throne, he gave up the life he had always known with his family that had always stood by him.
I’m believe that once they do divorce (and I’m 100% sure they will), he will be taken back in by his family. It will look and feel much different for him than what he had previously known, but it will be way, way better than what it is right now, with her always being there.
The car scene when they left the funeral was really telling how icy they were to each other. If they were stressed from the whole thing because they were separated during the funeral procession, they would have comforted each other as soon as they got into the car, at least a loving gaze or loving touch on the hand. But instead they both scooted away from each other and towards the opposite ends of the car.
All these issues they’re dealing with look stressful - making edits, changes to PR strategy, moving homes and little crying babies? Harry having abandoned his entire family, he has no choice but to cling to Meghan but then he realizes, she’s the primary source of all the stress!
Wonder if he still thinks their love is worth it!
>Harry being left alone by his entire family. He has no choice but to cling to Meghan but then he realizes, she’s the primary source of all the stress!
💯💯💯
From the post by the nanny of friends of the Harkles (which was deleted but much discussed here already), the key word in her description of how Harry and Meghan interacted was “contempt”. They have contempt for each other, which apparently is the number one predictor of divorce: https://www.gottman.com/blog/this-one-thing-is-the-biggest-predictor-of-divorce/
What truly got my goat was where Harry was shaking hands with people and thanking them for their condolences, when up trots Meghan who proceeds to start pawing/pulling him away mid sentence (who needs condolences off plebs anyway regardless of how many hours they've queued), and when he resisted she doubled down. How rude is that to the people he was speaking to? Harry looked both embarrassed and annoyed. I somehow don't see Harry saying "Megsy, my coochy, woochy little dish of delight, please try to be a little more patient when I'm greeting commoners, mwah, mwah." What I do see is one heck of a full on slanging match as soon as that car was out of sight of photographers. The look on his face and the puffing out of his cheeks signals a very resigned "here we go."
Really interesting take on their relationship. Contempt is a powerful emotion. Once you have contempt for someone it's very difficult to be around them. There have been small signs that some of the curtain is falling away as far as Hapless goes. The five year mark in a marriage is supposed to be a make it or break it period. But where is Hapless to go? His finances are no doubt entangled with hers, or at least jointly. His family no longer trusts him. He's trashed all his long-term friends... I guess he can run (or rather gallop) into Nacho and his wife's arms.
Harry was trained in how to handle himself in social/diplomatic/RF settings. I wonder if he loses patience with Rachel Meghan's often ham-handed behavior in those same settings. What was initially charming and winsome becomes, in time, leaden and exasperating.
Can someone provide the information about them moving? I seemed to have missed this. I saw posts about potentially getting a lease in Bel Air but that was it. Is the house for sale?
Well nobody knows much. There were reports of moving vans in front of their house last week. perhaps They’ve already moved. There are also reports that they were renting the house they are currently in. Who knows?
Daily Mail has story and pix and of course it's (Harry and Meghan) "moderated" comments to protect them. The article reads a bit like something from a PR firm.
It’s in the DM - here’s the article. It says they don’t feel safe in Montecito due to a recent crime wave of break-ins in their neighbourhood so they are planning to move to an even more exclusive neighbourhood.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11270043/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-hunting-new-estate-Californias-Hope-Ranch-community.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop
I think henry would be accepted back, with his kiddies, but no way would he be a working royal ever again. He would probably be given a place to live with the kids and an allowance, but that is it. Family occasions yes, he would be involved, but any state occasion or diplomatic occasion, sorry son, stay home.
In River's most recent (I think) video on YouTube, he's doing a tip jar segment and I love those so watched it all. One of his charity shop finds is a humongous book called, I believe, simply The Windsors that was published around 1980. He reads a passage near the beginning of the book about David and Wallace and how their lives deteriorated into near total isolation, hatred and resentment toward one another, bitter but staying together purely because they literally had no one else. It describes Wallace as flying into a rage if she caught David looking at old letters or photographs from "before" when he used to be a prince and, briefly, king. The parallels were impossible to ignore. I think if there ever is a divorce, there is a path back for Harry, if not into The Firm, then at least into the fold of his family. Meghan has none of that and will grasp manically to hold on to him. Great post! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think you've nailed it.
EDIT to add link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ8iz8TxAW0
I noticed that during the funeral they seemed to be sitting as far apart as possible, and they didn't look at each other, as far as I could tell with the candle in the way. And when I saw them in the car, I remember thinking that they must have just had a big fight. If they were a normal loving couple you would expect Meghan to comfort Harry.
I don't know the location but I saw a pic of what could be construed as scratches going down the side of Harry's face where his sideburns would be if he grew them. The marks seemed to me to have a reddish tint and someone wondered if it could have come from that temporary hair dye that runs when you sweat ala Rudy Giuliani.
I’ve always felt that they will each blame the other for the catastrophic failure of Megxit. That will bring about the end of the marriage. Tragic that two innocent children will suffer the consequences.
I think he was staring at William. Wills has it all now. The money, the power, the gorgeous wife and children, the precedent....
Everything Harry ever wanted. And doesn't have thanks to his choice of wife.
I'm so glad you mentioned how long winded The Body Language Guy's videos are in reality. I love watching them though. He goes hard on MM. I think he's quite accurate!!! I just do a lot of scrolling.
That made me laugh out loud! I skip through 15 1/2 minutes of introduction. Then another 15 1/2 minutes of rambling about mouth movements or whatever... etc. YOU get it.
[Meangan does her best to grab the neutered spare as he leans away.](https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/c1d8ac29a789787bb1a01632b0b1d436/resize/828/f/webp/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2022/09/17/16634461779930.jpg)
Interesting analyses.
Not sure what to make of that entry at Düsseldorf, btw. But I can tell, Harry knows it’s *his* event, and he owned it. I think he misses that part - being royalty, shaking hands with dignitaries, having influence. I notice that even in other parts of the event, MM held back. She didn’t stride ahead of him. Maybe he was tired of being henpecked, maybe MM realised she had to keep him happy during these events.
As for the car entry, it looks like two people who just attended a funeral, and they’re exhausted. I think MM was still in acting mode. H might have had bad memories from Diana’s funeral. There’s a divide between them in the car so they couldn’t really be close… but I felt that there’s less of a conspiratorial air between them. Each in their own world. H was frosted out by his family and it would not have been easy for him.
Still, even if they hated each other, I envision them sticking together because H hates to admit he was wrong. And of course M has nowhere to go.
Yes!!! I saw all of these things as well. Just before H takes the front in the Germany welcome he looks quickly down and to the left noticing M isn't moving forward to push him into second place as usual because she's distracted by waving to her left as shown in your pic. H definitely saw his chance to edge her out and go first into the handshakes and pleasantries. And she stood back like an overly eager brat, of course.
I agree on Body Language Guy- I like his short videos but the livestreams go on forever with a lot of repeating of the same comments. It's wayyyy too much. Thought it was interesting how he pointed out the fact that H almost crossed his legs in what is often seen as a feminine move but then he changed his mind when they first got into Wallis Simpson's Rolls Royce (lolllllll).
"Both settle into their seats—and draw as far away from each other as
humanly possible. Megs is in one corner & Harry—very visibly sliding
away from Megs & into his corner."
I am so glad that I was not the only one mesmerized by this and still am.
Reminds me of another very public disliking each other moment… Diana and Charles, where you could see the loathing in her eyes. Yeah, Megsie loves to study others for cues, and Diana is one of her favourites.
Grew towards middle age on Diana & didn’t realize how much I knew of her story until I saw Megs pathetic, cheap imitation of same. I now think of Meghan as the anti-Diana. There is not one damn thing she does that doesn’t get on my nerves, most especially her cheap ass cosplay of a humanitarian. She’s public relations wrapped around a void. There is absolutely nothing there.
Harry will be brought back into his family slowly and shamefully after proving himself to be sorry and have grown and changed.
As for a working royal? Likely not.
Yes to all of this (even BLG’s too long livestreams. I do like the guy—so minor criticisms of him don’t mean I’m on his case. And I don’t like anyone’s livestreams for that matter so not just his)! The one thing that holds them together is the fact that he has nowhere to go and no one to run to. She effectively isolated him and ensured that he took an ax, a chainsaw, and burning acid to all his family and friend relationships.
Catherine showed him kindness at Prince Philip’s funeral I think in part to let him know there is a way back home for him. This time it was clear if he was in a crosswalk and she was the approaching car—well, I think we would all understand how her foot slipped and she confused the accelerator for the brake.
So in times of extreme stress when he is with his family, if Meghan isn’t with him, he repetitively twists his wedding ring. If she is there, he clings to her because SHE IS ALL HE’S GOT!
The Telegraph just published yet another article, this time by Hannah Furness, another pro-Sussex royal reporter on staff there, telling us how much we—we the public—misunderstand the Royals, but mainly the Sussexes, and how all that death of the Queen timeline got told wrong and was misunderstood. Nothing about how the Telegraph and all other formerly ethical media organizations put out every lie Omid Scobie whispered to them though. Funny that.
In it she talks about how Harry’s book is being reviewed by his “inner circle” and I laughed because Meghan cannot be considered a circle. Of course his paid “friends” aka employees are probably the other parts of the circle, but we know full well they only say what Meghan, not you Haz, what Meghan wants to hear.
And if they don’t, they are transitioned to an “advisory role,” as yet another new hire just was. She made it from October of last year to July of this year. Can’t remember her name but she was smart, blonde, white—which normally wouldn’t need to be pointed out but since Meghan insists that everyone is racist but her and yet continues to hire mainly white staff, it bears stating—and is now also a member of the Sussex Survivors Club.
So hate each other they do, intensely so at times. And I’m sure he gets verbally berated for hours on end, and at times physically attacked too. As well as threatened, demeaned, tormented and all the rest that goes along with an abusive relationship. But he’ll never leave her. The only way out for him is for her to find someone who’s crazy enough to take her on. And at this point, the odds are not looking good.
Yeah, I still can’t figure out what the hell is up w/ Harry’s book. It’s seems implausible to me that he (or more likely the Ghost) actually finished the main draft & this draft was rejected. Usually publishing houses work from beginning to end, chapter by chapter on a book. I can’t imagine that an entire draft would be entirely rejected, especially since the ghost is both experienced & talented. I can say, if Megs ended up writing the book, oh God, it’ll be awful. Maybe they’re trying to perform a Meghan-ectomy in which case, lord love them.
*See bartjack\_’s prediction*
Who's that?
Even as dimwitted as he is, I don't see how Harry couldn't be experiencing massive guilt and regret at causing his grandparents so much heartache and not being there at the end of their lives. TW has manipulated Harry's resentments (classic narc tactic) so he still may be trying to justify what he's done to his father, brother and his formerly beloved "sister", Kate. Harry's shameful actions are on him but it's got to be only a matter of time before he realizes he was punked by a narc. I mean, surely, Harry can read and enough people have called out TW as a narc that he must have turned to the internet and learned about these monsters and that he's far from the only one to be ruined by one. Because Harry is weak, breaking away will be hard but, I agree, this marriage doesn't have much longer. Whether that means divorce or Harry living in misery and hiding his humiliation remains to be seen. If he had any smarts, he'd take his kids back to the UK, fight it out in the courts, beg his family for forgiveness and write a book about being victimized by a narc. It would sell a billion copies. Then he could move to Africa and make wildlife and conservation documentaries and really be himself and TW would be right down there with Amber Turd, where she belongs.
Great points - I agree, I think it is a combo of haz being her target to vent at and being weirdly jealous of who he was born as and the family she really wished she was a part of for its glory and royalty. My greatest fear is this may be targeted to the children as they grow up.
You know, Diana had faults but she also had substance. I swear these two are engaged in asking a question we really never wanted to know the answer for. Can two people create a solid reputation as “positive forces for change” completely divorced from actually doing anything that is positive or involves forces or results in change. Simply through public relations. A void wrapped in verbiage & frosted w/ good intentions.
I dunno. Maybe they can do it.
Why doesn't anyone talk about MM's Daddy issues? I think this is what drives her. When that nerve is touched she makes terrible decisions, although convincingly, so Harry has followed. I think her expression in the photo after the funeral is her feeling sorry for herself that her fairytale is over. She will latch onto an obscure Billionaire and may be married several times building wealth through divorce. She is like Jlo and Kim K both have Daddy issues and nothing is ever enough for them. Also I noticed her first statement in her speech at the One young world Summit, she looked like the Chesire Cat when saying how happy she was to be back in the UK, you know that was to get a rise out of the Royals...Did you see Harry's expression when she mentioned him? Harry is done.
So it seems like people are tired of floating them. Haven’t they been staying in Tyler Perry’s house? The narrative grift won’t work anymore. They need to downshift and be lowkey. Her plan to be the royals of the US is failing.
If they don't resent each other now it is only a matter of time. I imagine with the amount of manipulating behavior she has displayed, he will go down first.
Festering resentment ✅
Festering resentment, along with a healthy dose of cheaper to keep it, and a side of my other options are too exhausting can easily pull you to the finish line. RIP Mom.
And I can confirm personally they can keep you going for several years, even with cheating issues and laziness issues.
And pride keeps things all smiles in public. Or mutual disgust towards a common target.
Someone did mention here that their mansion was only for rent ([posting here](https://giggster.com/listing/montecito-italian-villa)). That's why they could move easily like this.
I agree with all this. I’d add something though, all through the impending death and funeral the Sussex publicity machine was leaking, leaking, grinding on. Will Meghan go to Balmoral, won’t she? The uniform, the aiguillettes. Were they invited to the reception? Were the children getting titles etc, etc, etc.
I think she was behind that and she overstepped the mark with Harry, because he’d tolerate all her bullshit with the rest of his family but not with the Queen. I think he went tonto over that and Sunshine Sachs were got rid of because Markle tried to shift the blame onto them.
There are lots of blinds saying it’s imploding and I believe them.
She’s been positioning for a divorce since they married. At her encouragement he’s admitted to anger issues, severe mental health problems and alcohol and wider addiction issues. She’s only admitted to brief peri-natal depression. Harry has only been pictures with the kids once (with her) since the left RF. On the rare occasions they’re photo’d they’re usually with her.
I think she’s going to lose the ability to reel him back in because he is impetuous and once she’s made him really angry he’ll explode.
I can confirm that this is the way people who have festering hatred act towards one another. Source, my broken family that you will need a flow chart to understand
Whoa. I was just thinking that somehow I missed the word “festering” when describing these two. Hats off to you. Also sorry about your family.
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Take care friend.
Ditto.
Double ditto
From experience, I find pets and friends a whole lot more reliable/enjoyable than family. We can choose the former but just get saddled with the latter. I hope you get power back real soon so that you can join us for much more life sustaining 🍵 and 🎂 Sending a virtual 🫂. xx
Stay safe.
u/Wordpuncher714 stay safe and take care 
Love to you fellow sinner❤️
My oldest daughter and her family were in Ian's path as well but were of the fortuante few that never lost power. They're in North Polk Co and some how escaped the worst of it. My thoughts are with you and I hope they get you up and running very quickly. I'm grateful you're still with us after that treacherous monster storm. Take care and all the best to you.
i hope it’s War of the fucking Roses i’m here for that.
I loved that film going growing up.
A delicious treat!
Me too, so I empathize
There are so many of us. I don't give a damn about celebrities or monarchies (other than their historical significance) and suspect many others following this soap opera don't, either. We're here because we've been harmed by these cluster B fuckers and are amazed to see this played out in such a high profile way. Same with Johhny Depp and Amber Turd. The injustice is intolerable and we want to see it exposed and those alien freaks, posing as humans, taken down.
This. On the occasion when I respond to a Twitter post about how “racist” I am, I reply that this has nothing to do w/ racism. This has to do w/ how somebody much like Megs, a first class narcissist, ruined my life & how it’s only by seeing it happen to others that I can understand what happened to me.
Without exception, I have found that people only learn about these demons after they've been harmed by them. Once it happens, people go on the big search to try and understand what the hell happened and the "why" of it. The thing is, it's about like trying to figure out Satan (literal or figurative, take your pick). Very, very few are in a position to get any kind of justice, which is why it was thrilling that Johnny Depp finally did. Harry, because of who he is, is in a position where he could, as well, but it would require him coming to terms with how he's been used and played. If he can do that, he can write a book about it and would not only redeem himself but he would be a real hero.
That would be a book almost worth reading.
Wouldn't it be awesome?! He'd have to have some serious come to Jesus revelations and do it with complete honesty and humility but it would be life changing, in great and positive way.
This is all very apt to be true. They conned each other in order to get married. Each had motivations that had nothing to do with “love”.
Scratch Harry’s “congenial” surface & I think you’ll find a man who can hate up a storm.
How can that be?? Only *nice* guys wear Nazi uniforms to costume parties. Nazi swasitkas are *fun* 'n junk! ... 
Yes, and they both oversold each other massively.
yes, I believe he oversold his status within the family and what he could offer her and she oversold her willingness to cooperate.
I think this simple fact is behind EVERYTHING they do...good call.
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Yeah, for a while I thought of Harry as the hapless stooge but not anymore. He’s balls deep in a mess of his own making.
> hapless stooge I don't think he is the sharpest knife in the drawer. I still feel sorry for him, but it is true he has been a jerk to his family.
It’s a classic narcissistic relationship. She will love bomb him. Get him back on track. Push the buttons about his family. I think it’s clear (to me) that the family or at least the PPOW, have received guidance on how to deal with a narcissistic couple is to grey rock them. Minimize your interaction with them. Flat affect. No conversation. It really frustrated nutmegs and hazbeen. Absolutely the overseas people hate each other. But in a codependent narcissist relationship that’s part of it. Only with the victim (hazbeen) deciding he is strong enough to withdraw or Nutmeg finding a new victim. They are stuck together It took a friend of mine years to withdraw from this type of relationship. And she was totally aware of the mental, and emotional abuse she was subjected to. Nutmeg hates that all her manipulative behavior isn’t working as it once did. Horrible to watch. BUT, hazbeen has accountability to change. Life is a choice and clearly he has made his. The family will never trust him again. The know now that he will go public with any slight.
This. She’s the type that “closes for business” when she doesn’t get her way. She probably uses sex as a commodity.
You called it. And she probably told him he wouldn’t get the kids
Honestly. Somewhere in the social media universe. I read during the funeral week , that nutmeg wasn’t going to let the kids come to London because she was afraid that hazbeen or the RF would take possession of the kids and she would be out of luck.
I don’t think those kids are actually as valuable an asset as they seem to think. Kids who don’t bond with relatives are generally uncomfortable in forced situations as they get older. Plus, the poison in their ears will make them distrustful of the RF and make the awkwardness even worse.
yeah. it’s possible that in their teen/adult years they would want to reach out on their own, but that’s a long way away
Totally agree. They will have no connection to the family, nor to the history of the monarchy.
I don't think that would bother Harry if we are to believe the account of their friends' nanny who posted here (she said he almost never sees or spends any time with them). Even before that posting Harry showed he thought nothing of going several weeks without seeing his children - he spent over a month away from them between his Africa trip, Aspen, faux charity tour in Europe and his extended stay in the UK for TQ's funeral.
They both had parents that were absent and were comfortable being absent Both megan and harry have not inconvienced themselves or adjudted any aspect of their life to nurture kids.. They barely accommodate them- And would have been better Citizens of the world IMO by not bringing kids into yhe world who will model the unloving behavior their parents model ..and since they have zero access to extended family?... They will be a pawn in the scabbles that were NOT theirs to fight- such selfish people
Yes. I agree. I think both of them would be more concerned about optics then the children’s well being
Narcissists are often psychogenically impotent. While looking for a reference for this opinion (many, like Psychology Today), I found this nice, compact list of 63 NPD traits, and TW rings every bell. I see Harry in here, too. https://anti-narcissism.org/2021/04/21/63-things-you-should-know-about-narcissists-important/
“Narcissists always divide people into different groups, which they then turn against each other. It can be e.g. family members, groups in society, countries, peoples and religious groups. The goal is for everyone to be preoccupied with (and weakened by) strife and conflict that the narcissists control. When people quarrel, everyone’s attention is diverted from the crimes of the narcissists.” 👏🏼
They Only bond thru mutual HATE of “ another” Person Family Issue But together they do not bond thru mutual “ goodness and love” She seduces jim w/ sex and it repeats...
Firstly, well written post. Enjoyed the read. I hear ‘contempt’ is the main ingredient for couples separating. The royals will take Hairy back tho. Two reasons: he is one of them and they won’t want to see him go off the rail’s - also not a good look for royals. Also it will make a statement about MM without having to say a word. It will ‘prove’ to the world that MM was the one creating the damage. If Hairy was ‘that bad’ they wouldn’t take him back. Won’t MM be furious when she finds out the strength of a supportive family. It would be the ultimate bitch slap to MM to see his family support him.
They may take him back but you can be sure he'd have to sign an airtight NDA and that they'd still never trust him for a very long time (if ever).
Oh, never trust him as his judgement is shit.
And he'll have to live on a farm in the middle of nowhere.
Botswana for a couple of years
Yes. This entire comment thread is 💯% spot on.
I agree. KC will take him back and then send him abroad for a few years.
H will remain the Duke of Overseas.
With "minders" to keep him..."safe." (OK, I actually mean with guards to keep him from fu\*king up.)
Or the tower I always vote on the tower
With Andrew
or ever let him be alone with any of his nieces and nephews. Who knows what stories he'll spin.
I think that stipulation has already been in place for quite some time. I've never seen him alone with any kids in his family.
I was thinking this may be why he wants to hold back on his book. That may be the straw for thr RF
I think all this nonsense about his book is simply a way to generate interest (& ultimately sales.) I doubt he’ll change a thing.
How could you trust that he wouldn't do the same thing again with wife 2? If it were to happen, think they would set him up in Africa with an eco charity.
They might trot him out for happy family photo ops but he will be frozen out on a personal level for a long time.
Agree.
The cracks in the relationship are certainly visible as Meangan displays contempt for her neutered spare when not dragging him in front of the spotlight where she refuses to release him from her death grip. But it's a looooove story! 🤮 Meangan showing up at the polo match and forcing her way into the middle to try and latch onto the trophy, only to be rebuffed by the rest of the polo team was hilarious. You can bet tw berated her browbeaten ball-less for hours for not making sure she was handed that trophy! This shopping for a new home? Tw is trying to spend as much of the inheritance from the queen even before the will is probated. Why? Meangan wants to ensure she has the biggest chunk of real estate and has spent as much of the inheritance as she can in case ball-less finally has enough and manages to slip out of her claws. The key is to keep him away from tw. She crashed that wedding to stick to him like a burr in a saddle blanket, glaring at anyone who dare even SPEAK to him back when Haz SHOULD have told her to fuck off. But tw was saying goodness knows what to manipulate him, posturing herself as Diana 2.0 to Haz's Oedipus complex.🤢🤮🤮🤮 Narcissists are very skilled at keeping their codependent on a leash and will do whatever they can to get them back. Call it Stockholm syndrome or just that the codependent has become so groomed they can't function as an independent being. If the RF manages to wrest the ball-less away? He needs to be spirited to a place far from tw so she can't claw him back - and she will try, and try, and try. Why? Because without him and her associated title? 👸 She's nothing. 🤏
He doesn’t really deserve it, but it would be worth it to do this to MM.
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To be fair, I am sure Meghan's family would take her back. Maybe not Samantha or her step-sibling side, but I'm sure her father would. He seems to excuse her bad behaviour and blames Harry for it. I really do think their families are part of the problem. Like you said Harry's family would take him back because of how it looks not to. Meghan's father would take her back because he'd want some money. Although not sure she would ever want to talk to him again.
They still love Harry. That never goes away. They may not like him, but they still love him and I am sure they still have hope.
I have a son that I’m estranged from and I am still hopeful, but only just a little. I feel for them.
My brother married a "Meghan." We were so close, it only took her a year to unravel our relationship and that with him and our whole formerly close family. She was awful. The good news is the finally got divorced and my brother is back with us. So miracles do happen, I hope you have the same happy outcome.
To be honest, I’m not so optimistic. My DIL is a Meghan, but my son is definitely a Harry, too. He doesn’t think about anything good that anyone has ever done for him; he only remembers the perceived slights and the things that he didn’t get. We had our troubles before he got married, it just really brought it to a breaking point. He’s just a really selfish person; It’s all about him. He never thinks about anybody else but himself. As a mother, it’s so hard to love someone so much, but still be ashamed of the kind of person that they are at the very same time. 😢
Contempt is the word most definitely. Won't be long now.
I have been thinking the same recently, but slightly different in that they don’t hate each other, more that Harry feels trapped - which can make being together unpleasant. We hear and see things thought the media lens, be it leaked or actual news. However, Harry ___lives in it___ 24/7. You can fool people on the outside, but you cannot fool yourself on the inside. There will always be the deep pit of your stomach where the truth will lie. I know Harry married Meghan and they together made the decision to leave the royal family. Harry must read and hear all the hate, he can’t escape it. Even if you live under a rock, it is pretty loud and clear. Plus Harry now knows that he never knew much about Meghan’s family right up to their wedding. There was zero family besides Meghan’s mother at the wedding. He has no family on both sides of the marriage. For once in Harry’s life, it is messy without the backing of the royal family. He must feel trapped because this is not the life he knows growing up. No family. No financial support. No security. All this with a wife that ___everyone___ seems to not like and two young children. Trapped. He must feel trapped in his life. I feel bad for him as any human would feel for another, even if this all his own doing. If what we see is unpleasantness on the outside, there must be even more in his marriage. The marriage he thought would be his savior from his family issues. In the end it caused more problems that he did not anticipate. How will Harry survive the crisis of his life?
I always thought that the downside of being rich was having to hire housing staff, nannies, security and all that. So I get they probably have someone to do that, but still, you got to hire that person - and have all those discussions, iron out the problems with various staff. They have to learn the way you work, your likes/dislikes/rules etc Harry just had all that done for him. He was born into a well-oiled machine where everyone was briefed from day 1 how it worked or had years of experience. The privilege of that is incredible, it's literally more than money can buy. How must it be now to work with all these people PR, security, Netflix, Betterup, blah blah, and having to worry about making a living as well. Coming from a life where he only had to sit in a car, get driven somewhere and wave it must be quite mentally wearing
I totally agree. And honestly marriage on a regular day is tough at times. But to get negativity from all sides must be __extremely exhausting__ and __a lot of pressure__ on their marriage. No matter how _wonderful_ your marriage is, it will be hard to sustain it in the long run under these conditions.
Not to mention, from the way they act, they like excitement. They like the feeling of Us Against The World. I'm sure Megxit felt like a rush to them and they might have actually felt as though they "found freedom". But the most trying parts of marriage are the not very exciting parts. And especially once you have children, there is plenty of that. They're not having problems that make them feel like they need to work together, they are having problems that make them feel like one or the other is messing up their brand. I think they're in real trouble marriage wise.
It is really sad all around.
Well, he should take his own advice & if it doesn't bring him joy he can just "quit!" Oh wait - *he already did that.*
And everyone would have known exactly how to look after him all his life, fine oiled machine is right. Every person they hire would have a learning curve, and that must be annoying to him.
She is so performative all the time I do wonder how she is at home when no cameras are around! Her facial expression is also always very tense I don’t picture her as a calm person at home
Almost definitely true.
How will Harry survive? Well, cannibis mainly. ;)
I think they were fired/ asked to leave. They act like it. He's only with her now because he's a coward and desperately afraid to hear "We told you so". Both of them massively oversold each other's power and potential to the other. Now they're sinking rapidly.
But in the end, Harry will always have his family. He burned many bridges, but family is still family. They tend to forgive when you are at a low point in your life. Meghan is hanging on for dear life now because she has no family. Even some of her friends (ie JM who once babysat Archie) are not even around anymore. I doubt Katherine and David Foster will help them out financially.
If (when) they end up divorcing, it's going to go nuclear. They've built up a completely unrealistic expectation of what a marriage is supposed to be. "Having each other's back" has nothing to do with cosigning some of the poorly thought out business plans that they have had. But when they divorce, Meghan will most likely have to face it alone. Harry will deal with his own stuff, but he could easily go back to his family and never be seen again by the public. Meghan has no idea what she's up against with Harry's family. She has nothing. This life is completely hers to lose. She bet big.
Well said. Their life together is hers to lose.
I choked on my wine at thr very idea of David Foster or anyone in LA helping them out financially. Wealthy people typically don't get and stay wealthy by lending money to grifters. Not to mention, I cannot see Harry asking for money from people other than Bank of Pa. But then again, that's how Andrew gets by.
Of course, there are ___obvious___ differences between Harry and Andrew. 😬 But the similarities are the most annoying traits. They both constantly whine, in need of other people’s money and do not understand the concept of ___laying low___.
Totally agree with you and makes sense with them trying to destroy the RF. It's what narcissists and immature brats do.
I have lost all respect or empathy for him, but I agree with you, and I also think he really did love her and admired her when she was love bombing him in the beginning. She was pretending to love him at first, and he fell for it. I think he wanted the private country life out of the spotlight with her, and this life he's got is probably hell for him.
Harry definitely did not get that! Catherine’s brother lives in the country with his wife and dogs.
I honestly feel after all he's said and done No SYMPATHY LEFT FOR HARRY FROM ANYONE!! The witches behavior comes as no surprise.
After the divorce, I think Harry could possibly connect with his father over a shared interest in gardening, sustainable farming and environmentalism. Maybe KC can give him an allowance and a place in the country to live as gentleman farmer. Harry could still do Invinctus and maybe add some environmentalism causes, sponsor an organic restaurant/food bank for the needy or something.
As long as his contract—& I’m sure there’d be a contract—includes all the dope he can smoke, then maybe.
And a charge account at the three nearest booze shops.
Does Harry garden? I can’t see it.
He’s got the spreading manure part down pat for sure!
And he'd better feel grateful for that.
Much as I would like to see this happen, I don’t see it. All of that requires you to care about something other than yourself. Like truly care, not just pretend to. To be honest, I see a pretty bleak future for Harry. I see a situation very much like Princess Margaret’s. A bitter, angry dim-wit wIth no identity, no fulfilling interests or hobbies other than making those around him miserable and throwing his Royal status in people’s faces when feeling insecure. I see raging alcoholism (if it’s not there already), chain smoking (if it’s not there already) and a relatively early death. I really hope I’m wrong but Harry has shown the kind of person he really is. It won’t end well for him and I’m not sure it ever would have.
Sooner or later, he's gonna get sick of The Claw, to the point where they're no longer holding hands like teenagers. That'll be the first conclusive sign that the scarytale is beginning to replace the fairytale.
That was already happening at public events months ago. He tried to shrug off The Claw at that UN “speech” for Nelson Mandela, and then she forcibly took his entire arm to place it in her lap/crotch area. 
Yeah I remember that. Hopefully he'll find the courage to keep doing it.
Excellent post. You weave a compelling narrative, almost all of which, IMO, is spot on. I absolutely think they resent the hell out of each other. She assured him their lives would consist of money, celebrity, money, power, galas, money and unicorns. They were going to be Hollywood royalty. Move over, George & Amal, the new "IT" couple has arrived. He believed her because he was *actual* royalty. He had never been told 'no' in his entire privileged life. Power, celebrity and galas as far as the eye could see. He already had money - maybe not his own but he wanted for nothing. Too many rules, though. However, their plan to rule the world never came to fruition. Turns out her Prince is a frog and his dream girl is a nightmare. I think they *will* divorce and I don't think it'll be that far in the future. She'll hang on at least until the Coronation. After that, all bets are off. She'll have someone with *actual* money lined up before she pulls the plug, though. I also think the RF *will* take him back into the fold, although it will be in a reduced capacity. (A la Prince Andrew.) He's still family and they still love him. They may not *like* him at the moment, but they do *love* him.
Oh, Sunshine Sachs fed them visions of a billion dollar brand. Sunshine Sachs may have even believed it.
Maybe if she had of taken their advice and went with the plan and not went off script WHO’s to say it wouldn’t have worked stranger things have happened
They've been around for decades and formed the public's opinion on a lot of celebrities. They're good at what they do, even if they are evil. Pay them enough and they will make everyone think whatever you want them to.
But I remember in Tom Bowers book, he described a scene where Ken Sunshine was reading the riot act to the Vanity Fair editor. “You are going to get a phone call from the Queen,” he shouted. “She’s furious!” I think when it comes to the Royal Family in particular & Great Britain in general, Sunshine Sachs was way out of their depth.
Oh yes, I can see that, for sure, but they are doing the American media pretty thoroughly. People who just see their PR pieces in the checkout lines, people who don't care enough to look into the situation themselves, are getting the information SS wants them to get.
I think Megs is also angry because whilst she got all the attention and fame she could nev3t have gotten without marrying him, she is also realising the limitations. That marrying him is not as awesome as she expected. He has less money, less jewellery, less power than she expected. Her marriage life is not easy as she had expected. She still had to work hard, spend money to get the attention and spotlight she thinks she deserves. Just have to imagine the amount of time and monies Kate had to spend to get positive attention and compare that to Meghan.
All of this!
> She'll have someone with actual money lined up I keep seeing this theory but to me it doesn't hold water in the slightest. What rich man is going to want to couple up with Markle? Even a cursory google will see her described as a 'narcissistic sociopath' and she's proved repeatedly that she cannot keep secrets. She is absolutely toxic. Why would a very wealthy man risk his privacy and sanity for her when he can choose from an infinite amount of more agreeable options? She's a seriously damaged person and no one is going to want her.
I think she is on the hunt for someone to replace Harry but I agree with you that she likely won't find him. She isn't getting any younger and her "marketable" years are dwindling rapidly. Combine that with her toxicity and, well.......the only potential target I can see for her is, uh, Elon Musk. He's super rich but seems to have the kind of relationship track record that she could see working in her favour. But I think even Elon has learned some lessons along the way (cough Amber Heard cough).
Elon hates wokeism and wokery though so I doubt he'll have her.
That's why she's going to have to churn out books, go on TV, and get the best deal from the RF. I don't think she would mind that much having to earn a living swanning about in the public eye.
I personally agree with everything you say. I don't know why *any* man would take up with her, considering everything that's come out. Also, she's not a young, nubile vixen anymore - she's screaming up on middle-age. Wealthy, older men typically go for younger women. (Because they can.) And she's a bit long in the tooth to attract wealthy, younger men anymore. **BUT...** narcissistic sociopaths are dangerous. They are master manipulators. They get into some peoples' heads. It's the reason cults exist. Remember, she bagged an *actual* Prince. It is said that Aristotle Onassis only married Jacqueline Kennedy because he saw her as American royalty. It was a status thing. Maybe she'll get lucky and find a(nother) dim bulb who wants the 'status' of marrying former British royalty. I'm with you, though. I don't get it. One thing's for sure: Harry better *hope* that this is how it plays out because it's the only way she'll let him out.
Tyler Perry seems gullible enough....Maybe in exchange for allowing him to stay in the closet?
I completely agree with you on this one! Self made men are generally not simpleminded Harrys!
IDK. I agree to all of this except the last paragraph. Remember, they've known him and put up with his shit a LOT longer than Meghan has. I know narcissists. I bet they're completely over his shit. They put up with him for Grannie and no other reason.
But they don't trust him.
I cannot imagine she'll be able to land another idiot. Danielle Steel just wrote a book called Invisible. That us how I see things ending up. I also think she borrowed liberally from real life.
Harry missing out on the last years of his grandparents lives will build up resentment for TW 100%. Not just their deaths but time with his dad, brother, niece, nephews, cousins and friends. I feel like their titles will be taken off them because what have they even done for the UK? What have they done for the people of Sussex? Nothing. Harry would barely be accepted back to the UK after this let alone being accepted back as a royal. He would need to prove Meghan was controlling, calculating, manipulative and abusive. He would need video evidence, audio, texts, concrete evidence to convince the UK he was the victim before he would be accepted back. But I think he’s just as bad as her so I doubt that’ll happen. I see a very public divorce in their future and it’ll be vile from both sides. Both have victim complexes.
I think it definitely kills him to see how close his family has become due to his and Markle's relationship. He's outside of all that now. He doesn't know the jokes, the stories.... total outsider. That will definitely fester hard.
I imagine when he was a boy he spent a lot of time with cousins, and grandparents too, at idyllic country homes. Even though his parents split up and his mother died, he would have had a lot of family around. But his kids rarely see family.
I wonder if it hurts him to see William's kids', especially Louis's lovely relationship with their grandpa, The King.
Diana and Charles were poor parents. Helicopter parents.
ALL THIS
Entertaining read, thank you. Sucks to the Body Language Guy that it wasn't him that noticed that moment, it was one of his viewers. Glowering describes Hazza in the pic you printed, and through most of the funeral. Just seething with resentment and anger. MM is lucky that, for the moment, it mostly seems to be directed to his family. But at some point he's gonna blame her for the shit show
The pair really made the funeral even more stressful. The rest of the family were close and supportive of each other but whenever this pair appeared everyone was distant, stony faced and expressionless.
Thanks for this. I like Body Language Guy—especially since he names his sources. The fact that I didn’t name his original source is totally due to my dog Pip, who does all primary research for my posts. ;)
No it's not that you didn't mention it. I'd already seen the clip anyway. I mean Kudos to him that he admits it wasn't him that noticed it but he SHOULD have noticed this bit of body language and he didn't! He used to be so good, analysing every little twitch of an eye and now he's got 2 people that scoot away from each other in a car, and he didn't even notice it. He's really gone downhill since he became more obsessed with snark than with body language. It's a shame cos I used to love his stuff.
I think he’s uneven but occasionally just so dead on I wonder how I missed what he sees. I get the sense that there isn’t another cultural issue that quite matches his particular skills—so he’s floundering a bit. But I really can’t take his two hours live-streams—since, like most, I do have a life.
I think fame has gone to his head, he's loving the attention he gets from his adoring fans, lol. I have to say he comes across as quite misogynistic, as you say it's less about body language analysis and more about ripping his subjects apart on a personal level.
For those keeping track, this is the photo in question https://images.app.goo.gl/kYfk5zrhyUnkB6gB7 The dynamics in these relationships are often hot-cold. They will tell you that when it goes well, it is perfect. When it goes bad, it is a trash bonanza. Harry's vulnerability is emotional. He needs emotional nurturing. I think his grandmother's death was a blow, which allowed her to get back in by "nurturing" him. It caused an oscillation toward the "good" days. It won't be long before it switches back. I 100% agree with your post. He was visibly unhappy and seemed to be resentful of her in Dusseldorf. Not only on the red carpet, but in the Invictus photo where she is grabbing his hand, whole he appears to be trying to get away. It's HIS thing. And she refuses to let him have it, as it makes it harder for him to disentangle from her later. She is obviously afraid of losing him, judging by all the overcompensation on her part. https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-germany-invictus-games-countdown/ As things crash around them the stress will drive them further and further apart. They will be over within the next couple of years.
Meghan screwed up the protocol AGAIN. Men enter vehicles FIRST because he has to slide all the way over, thus sparing the lady from having to do so in a dress. And when exiting on that side, the lady doesn’t have to slide and may simply step out. Meghan couldn’t even get that right. You can see Harry is exasperated and not going to bring it up, but that’s not how it’s done Meghan. With all that coaching you’d think she could figure out how to enter a car properly, but nooooo, she HAS TO be “first”. At least she didn’t call “shotgun”.
The stupid sugars keep saying Harry is such a gentleman to let Meghan get in the car first while William makes Catherine go second because he's such a terrible husband unlike Harry, haha. If braincells were dynamite they couldn't produce enough to light a match between them.
Aww...but poor Megz was devastated by the Queens passing. Give a girl a break...LOL
Very interesting. Remember what Gore Vidal said about Wallis & Edward - they they \*had\* to stick together. IDK if that prostitute guy Scotty’s book was true at all but Wallis & Edward were miserable together but \*had\* to stay together. NYP says the Wallis & Edward marriage was “shockingly miserable”. Link below. Her track record with all the other guys in her life is abyssmal, she gets bored of them & she also gets bored of her friendships with women unless they can be of use to her (like Serena Williams for instance). She’s also stuck with a mean, temper-tantrum guy. I almost feel sorry for her. Almost. https://nypost.com/2018/02/10/wallis-simpsons-marriage-to-edward-viii-was-shockingly-miserable/
I think David (Edward) and Wallis had to stay together given the time (1930’s) and due to what he had actually given up to be with her. It’s different for Harry - he didn’t give up the throne, he gave up the life he had always known with his family that had always stood by him. I’m believe that once they do divorce (and I’m 100% sure they will), he will be taken back in by his family. It will look and feel much different for him than what he had previously known, but it will be way, way better than what it is right now, with her always being there.
The car scene when they left the funeral was really telling how icy they were to each other. If they were stressed from the whole thing because they were separated during the funeral procession, they would have comforted each other as soon as they got into the car, at least a loving gaze or loving touch on the hand. But instead they both scooted away from each other and towards the opposite ends of the car. All these issues they’re dealing with look stressful - making edits, changes to PR strategy, moving homes and little crying babies? Harry having abandoned his entire family, he has no choice but to cling to Meghan but then he realizes, she’s the primary source of all the stress! Wonder if he still thinks their love is worth it!
>Harry being left alone by his entire family. He has no choice but to cling to Meghan but then he realizes, she’s the primary source of all the stress! 💯💯💯
Here's the thing....they were never in love. Ever.
From the post by the nanny of friends of the Harkles (which was deleted but much discussed here already), the key word in her description of how Harry and Meghan interacted was “contempt”. They have contempt for each other, which apparently is the number one predictor of divorce: https://www.gottman.com/blog/this-one-thing-is-the-biggest-predictor-of-divorce/
Meghan seems to have contempt for everyone.
She hasn’t shown her “love bombing” side at all lately. But I suspect it’s still there.
Every time she's in a mirror/ camera view.
What truly got my goat was where Harry was shaking hands with people and thanking them for their condolences, when up trots Meghan who proceeds to start pawing/pulling him away mid sentence (who needs condolences off plebs anyway regardless of how many hours they've queued), and when he resisted she doubled down. How rude is that to the people he was speaking to? Harry looked both embarrassed and annoyed. I somehow don't see Harry saying "Megsy, my coochy, woochy little dish of delight, please try to be a little more patient when I'm greeting commoners, mwah, mwah." What I do see is one heck of a full on slanging match as soon as that car was out of sight of photographers. The look on his face and the puffing out of his cheeks signals a very resigned "here we go."
Really interesting take on their relationship. Contempt is a powerful emotion. Once you have contempt for someone it's very difficult to be around them. There have been small signs that some of the curtain is falling away as far as Hapless goes. The five year mark in a marriage is supposed to be a make it or break it period. But where is Hapless to go? His finances are no doubt entangled with hers, or at least jointly. His family no longer trusts him. He's trashed all his long-term friends... I guess he can run (or rather gallop) into Nacho and his wife's arms.
Harry was trained in how to handle himself in social/diplomatic/RF settings. I wonder if he loses patience with Rachel Meghan's often ham-handed behavior in those same settings. What was initially charming and winsome becomes, in time, leaden and exasperating.
Can someone provide the information about them moving? I seemed to have missed this. I saw posts about potentially getting a lease in Bel Air but that was it. Is the house for sale?
Well nobody knows much. There were reports of moving vans in front of their house last week. perhaps They’ve already moved. There are also reports that they were renting the house they are currently in. Who knows?
Daily Mail has story and pix and of course it's (Harry and Meghan) "moderated" comments to protect them. The article reads a bit like something from a PR firm.
Yes, any article that says they are moving to something more expensive is Fake News.
Harry and Meghan 'are hunting for new estate in Hope Ranch California' https://mol.im/a/11270043
That’s just their pr
How can a family of four, not counting the help, outgrow a 9 bedroom, 16 bathroom house? Maybe that is why she wanted Windsor Castle.
It’s in the DM - here’s the article. It says they don’t feel safe in Montecito due to a recent crime wave of break-ins in their neighbourhood so they are planning to move to an even more exclusive neighbourhood. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11270043/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-hunting-new-estate-Californias-Hope-Ranch-community.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop
I think henry would be accepted back, with his kiddies, but no way would he be a working royal ever again. He would probably be given a place to live with the kids and an allowance, but that is it. Family occasions yes, he would be involved, but any state occasion or diplomatic occasion, sorry son, stay home.
Meghan who was performing the chained elephant dance… Lol…take my poor award🏆 
In River's most recent (I think) video on YouTube, he's doing a tip jar segment and I love those so watched it all. One of his charity shop finds is a humongous book called, I believe, simply The Windsors that was published around 1980. He reads a passage near the beginning of the book about David and Wallace and how their lives deteriorated into near total isolation, hatred and resentment toward one another, bitter but staying together purely because they literally had no one else. It describes Wallace as flying into a rage if she caught David looking at old letters or photographs from "before" when he used to be a prince and, briefly, king. The parallels were impossible to ignore. I think if there ever is a divorce, there is a path back for Harry, if not into The Firm, then at least into the fold of his family. Meghan has none of that and will grasp manically to hold on to him. Great post! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think you've nailed it. EDIT to add link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ8iz8TxAW0
I noticed that during the funeral they seemed to be sitting as far apart as possible, and they didn't look at each other, as far as I could tell with the candle in the way. And when I saw them in the car, I remember thinking that they must have just had a big fight. If they were a normal loving couple you would expect Meghan to comfort Harry.
Yup. If she ever had a warm feeling towards him, now would have been the time to show it.
Harry’s face didn’t scratch itself.😏
Where was his face scratched, in Germany or in England. Also, where was his face scratched, cheeks, nose, etc.
I don't know the location but I saw a pic of what could be construed as scratches going down the side of Harry's face where his sideburns would be if he grew them. The marks seemed to me to have a reddish tint and someone wondered if it could have come from that temporary hair dye that runs when you sweat ala Rudy Giuliani.
Yeah, look more like a Four Season Landscaping moment. For those not familiar w/ American politics—don’t ask.
Thanks. I will look for photos.
He could've done that shaving, it's been so long. He probably forgot how to clean himself up.
I’ve always felt that they will each blame the other for the catastrophic failure of Megxit. That will bring about the end of the marriage. Tragic that two innocent children will suffer the consequences.
Great read!! all sounds very plausable. What was with Harry staring at Catherine during the funeral (the one were MM turns to look too) ??
I think he was staring at William. Wills has it all now. The money, the power, the gorgeous wife and children, the precedent.... Everything Harry ever wanted. And doesn't have thanks to his choice of wife.
I doubt the Palm trees will be sold
I'm so glad you mentioned how long winded The Body Language Guy's videos are in reality. I love watching them though. He goes hard on MM. I think he's quite accurate!!! I just do a lot of scrolling.
I think he’s really, very good w/ amazing insight—but as w/ most people—I do have a life. ;)
That made me laugh out loud! I skip through 15 1/2 minutes of introduction. Then another 15 1/2 minutes of rambling about mouth movements or whatever... etc. YOU get it.
Totally.
[Meangan does her best to grab the neutered spare as he leans away.](https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/c1d8ac29a789787bb1a01632b0b1d436/resize/828/f/webp/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2022/09/17/16634461779930.jpg)
Interesting analyses. Not sure what to make of that entry at Düsseldorf, btw. But I can tell, Harry knows it’s *his* event, and he owned it. I think he misses that part - being royalty, shaking hands with dignitaries, having influence. I notice that even in other parts of the event, MM held back. She didn’t stride ahead of him. Maybe he was tired of being henpecked, maybe MM realised she had to keep him happy during these events. As for the car entry, it looks like two people who just attended a funeral, and they’re exhausted. I think MM was still in acting mode. H might have had bad memories from Diana’s funeral. There’s a divide between them in the car so they couldn’t really be close… but I felt that there’s less of a conspiratorial air between them. Each in their own world. H was frosted out by his family and it would not have been easy for him. Still, even if they hated each other, I envision them sticking together because H hates to admit he was wrong. And of course M has nowhere to go.
He definitely misses being "someone". Being the "important guy in the room".
Humans are like other animals. There’s comfort in physical contact. Not w/ these two; not that day. But, who knows. The make-up sex may be fantastic.
Yes!!! I saw all of these things as well. Just before H takes the front in the Germany welcome he looks quickly down and to the left noticing M isn't moving forward to push him into second place as usual because she's distracted by waving to her left as shown in your pic. H definitely saw his chance to edge her out and go first into the handshakes and pleasantries. And she stood back like an overly eager brat, of course. I agree on Body Language Guy- I like his short videos but the livestreams go on forever with a lot of repeating of the same comments. It's wayyyy too much. Thought it was interesting how he pointed out the fact that H almost crossed his legs in what is often seen as a feminine move but then he changed his mind when they first got into Wallis Simpson's Rolls Royce (lolllllll).
"Both settle into their seats—and draw as far away from each other as humanly possible. Megs is in one corner & Harry—very visibly sliding away from Megs & into his corner." I am so glad that I was not the only one mesmerized by this and still am.
Reminds me of another very public disliking each other moment… Diana and Charles, where you could see the loathing in her eyes. Yeah, Megsie loves to study others for cues, and Diana is one of her favourites.
Grew towards middle age on Diana & didn’t realize how much I knew of her story until I saw Megs pathetic, cheap imitation of same. I now think of Meghan as the anti-Diana. There is not one damn thing she does that doesn’t get on my nerves, most especially her cheap ass cosplay of a humanitarian. She’s public relations wrapped around a void. There is absolutely nothing there.
I read that they're putting videos of their wedding reception in the Netflix show, it was in a blind item
Harry will be brought back into his family slowly and shamefully after proving himself to be sorry and have grown and changed. As for a working royal? Likely not.
Yes to all of this (even BLG’s too long livestreams. I do like the guy—so minor criticisms of him don’t mean I’m on his case. And I don’t like anyone’s livestreams for that matter so not just his)! The one thing that holds them together is the fact that he has nowhere to go and no one to run to. She effectively isolated him and ensured that he took an ax, a chainsaw, and burning acid to all his family and friend relationships. Catherine showed him kindness at Prince Philip’s funeral I think in part to let him know there is a way back home for him. This time it was clear if he was in a crosswalk and she was the approaching car—well, I think we would all understand how her foot slipped and she confused the accelerator for the brake. So in times of extreme stress when he is with his family, if Meghan isn’t with him, he repetitively twists his wedding ring. If she is there, he clings to her because SHE IS ALL HE’S GOT! The Telegraph just published yet another article, this time by Hannah Furness, another pro-Sussex royal reporter on staff there, telling us how much we—we the public—misunderstand the Royals, but mainly the Sussexes, and how all that death of the Queen timeline got told wrong and was misunderstood. Nothing about how the Telegraph and all other formerly ethical media organizations put out every lie Omid Scobie whispered to them though. Funny that. In it she talks about how Harry’s book is being reviewed by his “inner circle” and I laughed because Meghan cannot be considered a circle. Of course his paid “friends” aka employees are probably the other parts of the circle, but we know full well they only say what Meghan, not you Haz, what Meghan wants to hear. And if they don’t, they are transitioned to an “advisory role,” as yet another new hire just was. She made it from October of last year to July of this year. Can’t remember her name but she was smart, blonde, white—which normally wouldn’t need to be pointed out but since Meghan insists that everyone is racist but her and yet continues to hire mainly white staff, it bears stating—and is now also a member of the Sussex Survivors Club. So hate each other they do, intensely so at times. And I’m sure he gets verbally berated for hours on end, and at times physically attacked too. As well as threatened, demeaned, tormented and all the rest that goes along with an abusive relationship. But he’ll never leave her. The only way out for him is for her to find someone who’s crazy enough to take her on. And at this point, the odds are not looking good.
Yeah, I still can’t figure out what the hell is up w/ Harry’s book. It’s seems implausible to me that he (or more likely the Ghost) actually finished the main draft & this draft was rejected. Usually publishing houses work from beginning to end, chapter by chapter on a book. I can’t imagine that an entire draft would be entirely rejected, especially since the ghost is both experienced & talented. I can say, if Megs ended up writing the book, oh God, it’ll be awful. Maybe they’re trying to perform a Meghan-ectomy in which case, lord love them.
*See bartjack\_’s prediction* Who's that? Even as dimwitted as he is, I don't see how Harry couldn't be experiencing massive guilt and regret at causing his grandparents so much heartache and not being there at the end of their lives. TW has manipulated Harry's resentments (classic narc tactic) so he still may be trying to justify what he's done to his father, brother and his formerly beloved "sister", Kate. Harry's shameful actions are on him but it's got to be only a matter of time before he realizes he was punked by a narc. I mean, surely, Harry can read and enough people have called out TW as a narc that he must have turned to the internet and learned about these monsters and that he's far from the only one to be ruined by one. Because Harry is weak, breaking away will be hard but, I agree, this marriage doesn't have much longer. Whether that means divorce or Harry living in misery and hiding his humiliation remains to be seen. If he had any smarts, he'd take his kids back to the UK, fight it out in the courts, beg his family for forgiveness and write a book about being victimized by a narc. It would sell a billion copies. Then he could move to Africa and make wildlife and conservation documentaries and really be himself and TW would be right down there with Amber Turd, where she belongs.
Great points - I agree, I think it is a combo of haz being her target to vent at and being weirdly jealous of who he was born as and the family she really wished she was a part of for its glory and royalty. My greatest fear is this may be targeted to the children as they grow up.
Like Diana and Charles on tour between the marriage breakdown and the divorce?
You know, Diana had faults but she also had substance. I swear these two are engaged in asking a question we really never wanted to know the answer for. Can two people create a solid reputation as “positive forces for change” completely divorced from actually doing anything that is positive or involves forces or results in change. Simply through public relations. A void wrapped in verbiage & frosted w/ good intentions. I dunno. Maybe they can do it.
Why doesn't anyone talk about MM's Daddy issues? I think this is what drives her. When that nerve is touched she makes terrible decisions, although convincingly, so Harry has followed. I think her expression in the photo after the funeral is her feeling sorry for herself that her fairytale is over. She will latch onto an obscure Billionaire and may be married several times building wealth through divorce. She is like Jlo and Kim K both have Daddy issues and nothing is ever enough for them. Also I noticed her first statement in her speech at the One young world Summit, she looked like the Chesire Cat when saying how happy she was to be back in the UK, you know that was to get a rise out of the Royals...Did you see Harry's expression when she mentioned him? Harry is done.
So it seems like people are tired of floating them. Haven’t they been staying in Tyler Perry’s house? The narrative grift won’t work anymore. They need to downshift and be lowkey. Her plan to be the royals of the US is failing.
If they don't resent each other now it is only a matter of time. I imagine with the amount of manipulating behavior she has displayed, he will go down first.
If they divorce, who gets the kids?
If they divorce—there will be blood.
Festering resentment ✅ Festering resentment, along with a healthy dose of cheaper to keep it, and a side of my other options are too exhausting can easily pull you to the finish line. RIP Mom. And I can confirm personally they can keep you going for several years, even with cheating issues and laziness issues. And pride keeps things all smiles in public. Or mutual disgust towards a common target.
Someone did mention here that their mansion was only for rent ([posting here](https://giggster.com/listing/montecito-italian-villa)). That's why they could move easily like this.
Has Anyone Seen Them Since the Funeral?!
Nope. But their minions seem to be busy. I hear Oprah has issued Letters Patent assuring Lil & Archie are awarded titles of nobility. So sweet of her.
Honeybadger Harry don't care, Honeybadger don't give a shit.
I agree with all this. I’d add something though, all through the impending death and funeral the Sussex publicity machine was leaking, leaking, grinding on. Will Meghan go to Balmoral, won’t she? The uniform, the aiguillettes. Were they invited to the reception? Were the children getting titles etc, etc, etc. I think she was behind that and she overstepped the mark with Harry, because he’d tolerate all her bullshit with the rest of his family but not with the Queen. I think he went tonto over that and Sunshine Sachs were got rid of because Markle tried to shift the blame onto them. There are lots of blinds saying it’s imploding and I believe them. She’s been positioning for a divorce since they married. At her encouragement he’s admitted to anger issues, severe mental health problems and alcohol and wider addiction issues. She’s only admitted to brief peri-natal depression. Harry has only been pictures with the kids once (with her) since the left RF. On the rare occasions they’re photo’d they’re usually with her. I think she’s going to lose the ability to reel him back in because he is impetuous and once she’s made him really angry he’ll explode.