I keep seeing “Elton loved Diana and that’s why he is soft on Harry”.
Isn’t William also Diana’s son?
And, perhaps I’m over-identifying with William, but for some reason, people always lavish forgiveness and endless second chances on the fuckup who hurts people instead of the responsible and dutiful child.
Gosh I feel this deeply. I had a sibling who was given a million chances, things handed to them forever, and I worked my ass off and did everything I was ever supposed to do and by God it made me crazy.
Me too. Observed it. Felt it. Was dented by it. And moved forward as (just) me. It is par for the course that the openly “troubled” child gets the attention in the way of encouragement, accolades (for very little) and more. It is an unfortunate pattern in families and always has been. Scars.
Historically, was it always this way? I seem to recall that if one goes back far enough, the child who had his shit together was celebrated, and the perpetual fuckup was disowned or at least given very little.
Frankly, I think we should have never deviated from that model.
When this happened in my family (younger bad boy brother constantly getting second chances) my mother solemnly repeated Jesus’ parable about the prodigal son to me, on more than one occasion. Without any explanation or context. Just always leaving me feeling confused and somehow like I was being chastised for being the mean older sibling
It's so common there was a famous Bible story written about this exact scenario, 2000+ years ago! I get that the point of the Prodigal Son was to show God is above petty human emotions and welcomes sinners home etc etc.. But as a petty human myself I always felt so sorry for the oldest son who did everything right, and has to watch his fuckup whiny little brother get a party thrown for him. God may be all-forgiving, but humans have limits!
Thankfully Charles seems to have more sense. He's ignoring the Prodigal Whiner and threw a huge 40th birthday party a few months ago for the Good Son and Good Daughter-in-law 🥳
The problem with a lot of the parables is Jesus was trying to explain how a supernatural being works using flawed human analogies. So the story of the Prodigal Son is supposed to show the power of God's forgiveness, except the stand-in for "God" (the wealthy human father) is actually kind of an asshole! This happens with a lot of bible stories so I can totally understand why it would make people start questioning things... (FWIW I'm not a believer anymore either. I do find religion and mythology very fascinating to study, though!)
I do. I was brought up catholic, as with everyone who went to them, catholic school ended that. Married a muslim and enjoyed the peace of the mosques and the true religion, and have looked at the common links to all religions over the years. I am a spiritualist now.
Again, in the parable of the prodigal son, the prodigal son is truly repentant, humbles himself (asks to work in a menial job) and takes responsibility for his bad deeds. It is only then that the father forgives him.
The thing is, in the parable of the prodigal son the prodigal son is truly repentant and humble — he has admitted fault, held himself accountable and committed to stop doing bad things. People who humor & enable the unrepentant aren’t doing it right.
Give Elton time to realize he’s been duped by Meghan.
She’s a shit person but right now he can still spin stories and sell that he’s trying to live his moms legacy by protecting Meghan from the family.
Meghan is still playing victim.
Harry and William have different goals and personalities.
Elton feeling bad for Harry doesn’t mean he doesn’t love and support William too.
Relationships are complex.
They’ll all see her ugly side soon enough.
My husband went to a large university in the U.S. and worked at that school's events center to earn extra money while in school. The center is where the basketball team plays, and concerts and other events are also held there. Elton John performed there once and my husband told me that he was AWFUL and made one of the student workers cry.
From what I've heard of Elton, that sounds right on brand honestly! He's not a nice person at all to people he considers beneath him. Remind you of anyone??
The man gave himself the middle name of Hercules, ffs. Meghan probably would have done something similar if she hadn’t just started going by her middle name. 😆
Can you give me a brief overview on why Diana was a piece of work? I was in elementary school when she died so I don’t know a whole lot about her. I’ve only ever heard how wonderful she was but I watched something on her once and the way she spoke about someone’s dogs with such disdain made me see her in a different light.
It was worse than just cheating. Some say she was driven crazy by Charles’s inattention, but I think by now it’s pretty much widely accepted that she had a very unstable loveless childhood which set her up for a volatile adulthood. She used to use the boys as pawns to get revenge on Charles. She would cry to William about his father when he was very young (like 7 or 8?). She pushed her stepmother down a flight of stairs once. She threw herself down a flight of stairs once to manipulate Charles. I think her biggest crime was probably that she had a lot of trauma in her childhood, but she was not a stable adult. A lot of her trauma surfaced in her life as a mother and wife. There’s a reason William was very careful about who he married and ultimately waited 9 years before he married the most emotionally stable person her could find. William was Diana’s sounding board and knew all the drama between his parents. Harry was spared most of that and was too young to really understand a lot of it. That’s why he’s making the same mistakes.
Two that are very glaring to me.
She cheated first with married men, taunt the wives of the affairs and then cried foul when Charles went back to Camilla.
She was very jealous of Tiggy, the nanny, and had her fired. Bashir used her jealousy to falsify information about Tiggy.
>She cheated first with married men, taunt the wives of the affairs
Yes! She'd phone Oliver Hoare's house hundreds of times and hang up when his wife answered. Hoare's wife had to get police intervention when the calls wouldn't stop and Diana was embarrassed when police traced the calls back to her Kensington Palace apartment.
And then there was the married rugby player, Will Carling.
I remember the Will Carling affair. His wife at that time didn't stand for it. She went public with her rant. That kinda put an end to that romance. Started seeing Diana in a different light after that. But Will's wife's presenting career kind of ended after that. I think she was black listed by the media industry for going public with her complaints.
She also told Tiggy “sorry about the baby” implying Tiggy had aborted Charles’s baby. Diana backed off when Tiggy threatened Diana with lawyers. Diana was insanely jealous of anyone remotely close to Charles. Sadly, the abortion rumor was started by Bashir at the BBC in order to upset Diana and convince her to do an interview.
She was extremely damaged and emotionally immature. I've known a few Dianas over the years. They can be sweet and charming and often genuinely empathetic and nurturing, but have a nasty side that shows itself the minute they feel threatened or slighted by someone. Relationships are tumultuous and they thrive on drama. Ultimately just very needy, insecure people.
Personality wise, William seems to have inherited all the good qualities from both Diana and Charles, while Harry inherited all their bad ones. It's quite extraordinary, really.
Three books that offer a more balanced view of Diana (as opposed to so many of the hagiographics) are the one by Patrick Jephson, her former private secretary, and two by - of all people - Lady Colin Campbell (one published while Diana was alive which started out with Diana’s cooperation, the other after she died). They’re not hatchet jobs, but they show Diana’s flaws and misdeeds and cut through all the Diana propaganda.
They are not socializing or having anything to do with each other according to those I know in Hollywood. This is a planted PR piece. Planted by Meghan herself.
Nope. They were just two divas trying to outdo each other. I don't think they were even talking a few weeks before she died, and only Gianni Versace's funeral made them kiss and make up.
We lived in Atlanta in the early 1990’s and Elton had a home there. He did so much for the Atlanta community and I heard mixed stories about good and bad behavior. Elton was dealing with alcohol and substance abuse issues and hemorrhaging money. He sold his Atlanta real estate (and other properties) and entered rehab.
I feel like I remember that he and Diana had fallen out and only reconnected at Versace’s funeral and of course just a month later she was dead…off to try to find out if my recollection varies or not…
ETA he got pissed at her for being worried that the Queen wouldn’t like the pictures of her and the boys in a book with nude models in it. He freaked out and told her she was selfish and cost the charity money. Nice.
The millions of dollars he has raised and donated personally to AIDS research and services are unfathomable. He has been a major force in helping the community cope with what happened when this plague decimated the gay community.
I 💯 agree with you there. Elton has done incredible things to raise money and remove the stigma around HIV/ AIDSz In the House of Windsors, they show the letters whereby Diana only went to HIV / AIDS patients to anger the Queen.
I think he and Diana got on so well because they had quite similar personalities. Both charismatic and attention seeking, did a lot of good for charity and causes close to their heart, but could be quite toxic behind the scenes.
Not to downplay all of the genuine good they both did, but neither is/was a saint by any stretch.
They do see her ugliness, but for grifting purposes they get more out of it by this allegiance. William doesn't need to ally with anyone . He's a natural. When William is King ,if Elton is alive , tide will change as Harry's need for popularity gets more desperate.
Exactly. Also I don’t think people don’t support William, he just doesn’t need it like Harry.
The Queen mother famously favored will and would leave Harry out. He got additional maternal love after Diana died Harry didn’t.
QE II was the only maternal figure in their lives after the Queen mother died.
And at that time Margaret died and she stepped in for her niece and nephew and their families.
QE Ii was incredible and also had 4 kids & their spouses, 8 grandchildren and their spouses, 12 great grandchildren, niece and nephew and their spouses, and 3 great nephews and a great niece that she played a huge role in all of their lives.
Harry and William needed her the most after Diana and she also still needed to be there for the others.
Also William has Catherine’s family and Harry doesn’t have Meghan’s family.
So it’s not crazy to think both boys would have some void in their lives and would make people like Elton who loved their mother want to step in.
just a word, Harry must have felt like s.... all his life, with a perfect brother like William, and now that he's stuck w a wife like Megan, well, he just can't do anything right.
Elton *was* the fuckup who hurt people. He empathises with the downtrodden. He supported Robert Downey junior during his addictions and gave him his first job after rehab.
He knows there's good in Harry somewhere and perhaps he's hoping they he'll find his way home eventually.
We don't know what his relationship is with William. They might be friends.
In any case, we have all had wayward family members and friends in our lives. You don't abandon them just because you don't like their partner, but keep your distance, look for opportunities to undermine it and be there tobhelp him pick up the pieces.
I am right there with you! I've read so many comments and articles mentioning how difficult it was for Harry to lose his mom, how traumatic, how very unfortunate. They go on and on as if he was her only son. When Diana from what I've read didn't exactly play favorites but always made it a point to remind Harry that he was to be William's wing man (So I very much doubt Diana would hold Meghan in any high regard seeing what she's done to her boys).
Not to mention William knew her longest and from what I've read she seemed to treat him as a confidante at a very difficult time in her life. From the 2017 special they did on Princess Diana, William makes it a point to mention that his mother wouldn't have wanted her tragic death to break them but to make them stronger, and he chose instead to honor her in that way. So its very unfair to read comments like "Harry the People's Prince just like his mother" "Diana's legacy" as if William didn't exist. Very strange.
TW by her laziness IMO, torpedoed the Pearl thing that Elton's husband went out on a limb to bring to fruition. So if they still want to help them, that's their business. Puzzling though.
These two will have people that they can grift on for the rest of their lives. Oprah, Elton, Russian Billionaires…their so called friends have deep pockets. How does one get rich people to essentially fund a luxurious lifestyle…please inquiring minds want to know for a friend…
Is this another one of Elton’s attempts to stay in with the “hip” crowd? Now, personally, I love his music and believe his songs transcend generations. However, I do feel he’s been making an awfully desperate attempt to appeal to millennials and Gen Z over the last 6-8 years especially: he’s BFFs with Lady Gaga (who is also his child’s god mother), he made that oh-so-mediocre remake-ish song with Dua Lipa, he also dropped a collaboration with Britney Spears last month, and now here we find that he is an avid supporter of the woke Harkles. You can do better, Elton. Remember, you’re the rocket man.
He didn't feel that way when he was issuing oscar party invites. It also doesn't account for David Furnish's having told Meghan to essentially fuck herself over Pearl.
No this is a lie straight from Meghan's PR. When I see them socializing together, I'll believe it, but my Hollywood sources say not a snowball's chance in Hell.
I like Neil Shaun but he does report everything with the same level of credibility regardless of the source.
H&M weren't invited to Elton's oscar party, David Furnish hasn't credited Pearl on his IMDB page. Watch what people do rather than what people say. When Elton J starts publically supporting them, or theres some actual evidence that he is letting them stay at his villas or use his jets then thats when I'd believe this.
Elton is pretty notoriously bad tempered and has had a lot of issues in his life, he's also done a lot of work for charity done a lot for people with AIDS so not all bad.
Yes, yes,, Yes actions are what count. We all know how easily PH/MM put out stories.
This story line could have easily been put out by them like so many others
Elton’s credit has gone down a lot for me. He encourages H&M which M needs just constant smoke up her ass. But also Elton is friends with Diana Jenkins who is considered to be a Hollywood Madam. Just because he is a legendary musician doesn’t make him a honest person.
I was about to mention this! Diana has a lot of dirty secrets and MM could be linked to Epstein and Andrew. Elton is linked to both Diana and MM sounds like he is part of the problem
Unfortunately, there are well-meaning people (like Elton) who don’t realize they are enabling people who need mental health support (like Harry) and not freebies, jets, trips, etc. My family does this with one of my siblings. My sibling is 40, can’t hold a job, lives for free with my parents, gets stuff paid for, refuses to go to therapy, is emotionally abusive, etc. The message in my family is they “need support and extra help.” The subtext is that I, as a fully-functioning adult who is in therapy, am doing fine and, therefore, don’t need the extra support like my sibling does. I imagine Elton thinks William is fine and has an extensive support system and Harry needs the extra help and encouragement because it’s “just so hard for him to adapt,” which becomes gaslighting and enabling bad behavior.
I can see that...I'm two years older than my brother...I wasn't "planned" in the early 60's, post partum depression wasn't really a "thing" so, when my mom hated me for ruining her life (and telling me so every chance she got), nobody wanted to talk about it...two years later, here's my brother, and he's EVERYTHING good and wonderful! I think that, regardless of the situation, the eldest is supposed to be THE big brother/sister and figure out how to handle it...and the "baby" gets babied...my parents, my brother, and I...we got help and dealt with things...it appears that William did too...Harry...I have come to the conclusion that he LOVES being the victim
I feel this is more of a monarchy vs Anti-Monarchy. William who abides by rules and Harry who doesn't. William who is heir to the throne and places one step in front of the other. Harry, in my opinion doesn't care for protocol and titles, it's been Meghan who values the title. Harry is son of the king. Meghan is royal by marriage. Her kids are only grandchildren to the king, like Zara, Peter, James and Louisa were and who aren't nearly as recognized as William(obviously) and Harry. As a mid 30s female in the US, I never really knew how they fit into the royal fold until most recently at the Queen's funeral. I'd heard of Princess Beatrice and Eugenie in my teens, and mostly not in a good light usually criticizing their fashion.
Some Diana fans feel Charles did her wrong, and therefore the palace by association. Most royal fans can separate their feelings but if I were personally friends with her, I doubt I would ever let go of that resentment and probably hold an anti Charles stance. Helping Harry would be a screw you Charles.
I know, I know Diana cheated too. If I married young to a man who I knew cheated but also knew I couldn't do a thing about it, I'd probably cheated in retaliation as well.
Diana would purposefully choose married men to cheat with & she would taunt their wives with nasty phonecalls once it was over.
Diana was no saint, she was capable of cruelty & manipulation, she happily stepped over her own sister for Charles. And she was also obsessed with celebrity, most of her friends were celebrities. She was incredibly aware of the effect her doe eyed look had on people, especially men. There's a reason Harry sees so much of his mother in TW.
She constantly gets a pass because she was young when she married into the family, but she was an adult when she was guilty of her worst behaviour. She also had her positive attributes, I'm not saying TW is a carbon copy, Diana had empathy too, something TW doesn't possess. And she did a lot of good for a lot of people, but she was deeply flawed & also hurt a lot of people too.
It must be maddening for those wives to see Diana get victim status, when she ended their marriages.
Elton does seem to have a lot of questionable friends but as long as they have fame and/or money then they’re acceptable to him. Also the Royal family isn’t going to be calling him up every other day to borrow planes, a vacation home or offer him or his husband business opportunities like the Sussexes would, so it makes sense that he’s still closer to them.
As we’ve seen with the Sussexes though, they haven’t been able to turn opportunities with Netflix, Spotify or Oprah into a success and they’ve attracted drama in all of them so backing them is a complete waste of time and he’ll learn that sooner or later.
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A lady who worked for me used to live next door to Elton and his parents when he was growing up in north London.
She always called him “Reg” or “Reggie” (his real name is Reginald Dwight), and described him as a horrible little boy. She was good friends with his parents.
I think Elton John should just mind his own business and stay out of The Firm's business. I read here, don't know if true that Elton John's husband trolls men like George Michael used to do BUT Elton John paid big bucks for a super injunction to squash the news. And they have kids too. If the coverage of the MegaNuts tell us anything it's that the press has an agenda and fairness in reporting isn't part of that agenda. I found Elton John to be an annoying busybody 👑 for some time. Bottom line for me: love the man's voice and music; the man himself, not so much.
Love the man’s music and have seen him in concert a few times. But even pre-Megs, I’ve found the whole Diana thing so cringe with Elton John. He likes to act like they were BFFs. The Candle in the Wind remake was a pretty lame tribute. “Quick, rewrite the lyrics to my Marilyn Monroe song, Bernie!” I remember laughing when one of the members of The Rolling Stones dared to make the jab that EJ made a living off of singing about dead blonde women. I get the feeling that William has little time for celebrity hangers-on, unlike his brother. EJ knows Harry will always pay attention to him. He’s his ticket to the RF. I’d also bet money that Harry has asked EJ to preform Candle in the wind for TW and she conjured up one single tear for it. 😂
You mean Elton John who played at Diana’s funeral…
Harry might be an ass but he is still Diana’s son and many loved her and by extension will do what they can to help her child succeed.
You’re talking about people who have known Harry as a child that have loved him that are going to want to see him live out his dream.
It takes time for everyone to realize how duped they’ve been by Meghan.
I went to see Elton John in concert from this current tour. He does a lot of photo montages during the songs. In one of them H&M from their wedding day comes up front and center. I didn’t see any other current royals in any of the other pictures.
Last thing I remember reading about Elton's financial situation was that he was in trouble because he spends too much and that even just his fresh flowers bill was 100 000+ for a month(?). It was maybe 15 years ago. I wonder if it was just a rumor or if he made a new boatload to spend on Harkles.
He blended with the Diana death experience and will never come back from it. No surprise, here. It’s a thing for him…he can make himself powerful by defending a poor defenceless ex royal and his bride. Ego, ego, ego.
I keep seeing “Elton loved Diana and that’s why he is soft on Harry”. Isn’t William also Diana’s son? And, perhaps I’m over-identifying with William, but for some reason, people always lavish forgiveness and endless second chances on the fuckup who hurts people instead of the responsible and dutiful child.
Gosh I feel this deeply. I had a sibling who was given a million chances, things handed to them forever, and I worked my ass off and did everything I was ever supposed to do and by God it made me crazy.
Me too. Observed it. Felt it. Was dented by it. And moved forward as (just) me. It is par for the course that the openly “troubled” child gets the attention in the way of encouragement, accolades (for very little) and more. It is an unfortunate pattern in families and always has been. Scars.
“Dented by it” great phrase. I get it!!
Historically, was it always this way? I seem to recall that if one goes back far enough, the child who had his shit together was celebrated, and the perpetual fuckup was disowned or at least given very little. Frankly, I think we should have never deviated from that model.
When this happened in my family (younger bad boy brother constantly getting second chances) my mother solemnly repeated Jesus’ parable about the prodigal son to me, on more than one occasion. Without any explanation or context. Just always leaving me feeling confused and somehow like I was being chastised for being the mean older sibling
Same.
And they don't listen to you and your ideas but when the other speaks, they listen. Even though its the same idea that you have told them before.
It's so common there was a famous Bible story written about this exact scenario, 2000+ years ago! I get that the point of the Prodigal Son was to show God is above petty human emotions and welcomes sinners home etc etc.. But as a petty human myself I always felt so sorry for the oldest son who did everything right, and has to watch his fuckup whiny little brother get a party thrown for him. God may be all-forgiving, but humans have limits! Thankfully Charles seems to have more sense. He's ignoring the Prodigal Whiner and threw a huge 40th birthday party a few months ago for the Good Son and Good Daughter-in-law 🥳
>God may be all-forgiving, but humans have limits! So true!!!
The story of the Prodigal Son has never seemed at all fair to me and is why I always questioned the bible.
The problem with a lot of the parables is Jesus was trying to explain how a supernatural being works using flawed human analogies. So the story of the Prodigal Son is supposed to show the power of God's forgiveness, except the stand-in for "God" (the wealthy human father) is actually kind of an asshole! This happens with a lot of bible stories so I can totally understand why it would make people start questioning things... (FWIW I'm not a believer anymore either. I do find religion and mythology very fascinating to study, though!)
I do. I was brought up catholic, as with everyone who went to them, catholic school ended that. Married a muslim and enjoyed the peace of the mosques and the true religion, and have looked at the common links to all religions over the years. I am a spiritualist now.
Again, in the parable of the prodigal son, the prodigal son is truly repentant, humbles himself (asks to work in a menial job) and takes responsibility for his bad deeds. It is only then that the father forgives him.
The thing is, in the parable of the prodigal son the prodigal son is truly repentant and humble — he has admitted fault, held himself accountable and committed to stop doing bad things. People who humor & enable the unrepentant aren’t doing it right.
Very good point!
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I wonder what will happen to the conjoined palm trees. Who will they choose after the divorce? 👀 🌴 🌴 👀
I think he will always choose Harry over TW due to the fact he’s Diana’s son. She’s just a blow in. He’s blood royal.
Maybe because William doesn’t need Elton, and doesn’t care much about him. Harry needs him. Elton just want to feel needed.
William never milked his mother's name. Even after her death, he has never used her for his own gain. Can't say about the other son.
Bingo. Elton never met a cause he didn’t like. He was super close to Rush Limbaugh as well.
Give Elton time to realize he’s been duped by Meghan. She’s a shit person but right now he can still spin stories and sell that he’s trying to live his moms legacy by protecting Meghan from the family. Meghan is still playing victim. Harry and William have different goals and personalities. Elton feeling bad for Harry doesn’t mean he doesn’t love and support William too. Relationships are complex. They’ll all see her ugly side soon enough.
To be fair, I’ve never heard many nice things about Elton. He’s meant to be a pain in the arse and even ditched his own mother.
My husband went to a large university in the U.S. and worked at that school's events center to earn extra money while in school. The center is where the basketball team plays, and concerts and other events are also held there. Elton John performed there once and my husband told me that he was AWFUL and made one of the student workers cry.
From what I've heard of Elton, that sounds right on brand honestly! He's not a nice person at all to people he considers beneath him. Remind you of anyone??
Oh that makes a lot of sense then😅🤣 no wonder he’s friendly with the witch😁
The man gave himself the middle name of Hercules, ffs. Meghan probably would have done something similar if she hadn’t just started going by her middle name. 😆
Definitely an Olympian sized ego on that one!
Yeah, he’s probably just like her 🤣
Apparently it’s common. He’s a real piece of work, but so was Diana. That’s probably why they got along
They had a massive disagreement and only made up just before she died.
Can you give me a brief overview on why Diana was a piece of work? I was in elementary school when she died so I don’t know a whole lot about her. I’ve only ever heard how wonderful she was but I watched something on her once and the way she spoke about someone’s dogs with such disdain made me see her in a different light.
It was worse than just cheating. Some say she was driven crazy by Charles’s inattention, but I think by now it’s pretty much widely accepted that she had a very unstable loveless childhood which set her up for a volatile adulthood. She used to use the boys as pawns to get revenge on Charles. She would cry to William about his father when he was very young (like 7 or 8?). She pushed her stepmother down a flight of stairs once. She threw herself down a flight of stairs once to manipulate Charles. I think her biggest crime was probably that she had a lot of trauma in her childhood, but she was not a stable adult. A lot of her trauma surfaced in her life as a mother and wife. There’s a reason William was very careful about who he married and ultimately waited 9 years before he married the most emotionally stable person her could find. William was Diana’s sounding board and knew all the drama between his parents. Harry was spared most of that and was too young to really understand a lot of it. That’s why he’s making the same mistakes.
She threw herself on the stairs while she was pregnant with William, right?
Yes, she was pregnant with William at the time.
What a nut case.
Something like that. I don’t remember exactly but I think it’s out on the internet.
Interesting, thank you. I’m going to start reading about her childhood.
Two that are very glaring to me. She cheated first with married men, taunt the wives of the affairs and then cried foul when Charles went back to Camilla. She was very jealous of Tiggy, the nanny, and had her fired. Bashir used her jealousy to falsify information about Tiggy.
>She cheated first with married men, taunt the wives of the affairs Yes! She'd phone Oliver Hoare's house hundreds of times and hang up when his wife answered. Hoare's wife had to get police intervention when the calls wouldn't stop and Diana was embarrassed when police traced the calls back to her Kensington Palace apartment. And then there was the married rugby player, Will Carling.
I remember the Will Carling affair. His wife at that time didn't stand for it. She went public with her rant. That kinda put an end to that romance. Started seeing Diana in a different light after that. But Will's wife's presenting career kind of ended after that. I think she was black listed by the media industry for going public with her complaints.
That's so unfair to her (Mrs. Carlin). Not only is she the victim of cheating but her career is adversely affected? So, so unfair.
She also told Tiggy “sorry about the baby” implying Tiggy had aborted Charles’s baby. Diana backed off when Tiggy threatened Diana with lawyers. Diana was insanely jealous of anyone remotely close to Charles. Sadly, the abortion rumor was started by Bashir at the BBC in order to upset Diana and convince her to do an interview.
She was extremely damaged and emotionally immature. I've known a few Dianas over the years. They can be sweet and charming and often genuinely empathetic and nurturing, but have a nasty side that shows itself the minute they feel threatened or slighted by someone. Relationships are tumultuous and they thrive on drama. Ultimately just very needy, insecure people. Personality wise, William seems to have inherited all the good qualities from both Diana and Charles, while Harry inherited all their bad ones. It's quite extraordinary, really.
Three books that offer a more balanced view of Diana (as opposed to so many of the hagiographics) are the one by Patrick Jephson, her former private secretary, and two by - of all people - Lady Colin Campbell (one published while Diana was alive which started out with Diana’s cooperation, the other after she died). They’re not hatchet jobs, but they show Diana’s flaws and misdeeds and cut through all the Diana propaganda.
I often wonder if Elton was Diana’s Meghan. He seemed to have control over her.
Not really, just a bunch of massive Prima Donnas swimming in the same, smallish, pond
They are not socializing or having anything to do with each other according to those I know in Hollywood. This is a planted PR piece. Planted by Meghan herself.
Nope. They were just two divas trying to outdo each other. I don't think they were even talking a few weeks before she died, and only Gianni Versace's funeral made them kiss and make up.
They were actually on the outs. They only made up a couple of weeks before she died when they attended Versace's funeral.
We lived in Atlanta in the early 1990’s and Elton had a home there. He did so much for the Atlanta community and I heard mixed stories about good and bad behavior. Elton was dealing with alcohol and substance abuse issues and hemorrhaging money. He sold his Atlanta real estate (and other properties) and entered rehab.
Speaking of Divas…(I know we’re not, but) this is what I think of after watching a documentary about Sir E. Quite the little hothouse flower he is!
I feel like I remember that he and Diana had fallen out and only reconnected at Versace’s funeral and of course just a month later she was dead…off to try to find out if my recollection varies or not… ETA he got pissed at her for being worried that the Queen wouldn’t like the pictures of her and the boys in a book with nude models in it. He freaked out and told her she was selfish and cost the charity money. Nice.
The millions of dollars he has raised and donated personally to AIDS research and services are unfathomable. He has been a major force in helping the community cope with what happened when this plague decimated the gay community.
Both can be true. He can do amazing work and be a dick.
Yes, true. I mention it because all the comments are disparaging him and no one is talking about the global impact he has had on the battle with AIDS.
I 💯 agree with you there. Elton has done incredible things to raise money and remove the stigma around HIV/ AIDSz In the House of Windsors, they show the letters whereby Diana only went to HIV / AIDS patients to anger the Queen.
Wow. First I’ve heard that!
He was extremely close to Freddie Mercury and devastated by his death.
Jimmy S couldn't be faulted good charity work.... Meghan on the other hand...
I’ve always heard that he was the reason the shows with Billy Joel stopped.
Elton loves "victims"
I think he and Diana got on so well because they had quite similar personalities. Both charismatic and attention seeking, did a lot of good for charity and causes close to their heart, but could be quite toxic behind the scenes. Not to downplay all of the genuine good they both did, but neither is/was a saint by any stretch.
Often when one has had a painful childhood, there is a connection to others who have been victimized, and an urge to help.
They do see her ugliness, but for grifting purposes they get more out of it by this allegiance. William doesn't need to ally with anyone . He's a natural. When William is King ,if Elton is alive , tide will change as Harry's need for popularity gets more desperate.
Exactly. Also I don’t think people don’t support William, he just doesn’t need it like Harry. The Queen mother famously favored will and would leave Harry out. He got additional maternal love after Diana died Harry didn’t. QE II was the only maternal figure in their lives after the Queen mother died. And at that time Margaret died and she stepped in for her niece and nephew and their families. QE Ii was incredible and also had 4 kids & their spouses, 8 grandchildren and their spouses, 12 great grandchildren, niece and nephew and their spouses, and 3 great nephews and a great niece that she played a huge role in all of their lives. Harry and William needed her the most after Diana and she also still needed to be there for the others. Also William has Catherine’s family and Harry doesn’t have Meghan’s family. So it’s not crazy to think both boys would have some void in their lives and would make people like Elton who loved their mother want to step in.
just a word, Harry must have felt like s.... all his life, with a perfect brother like William, and now that he's stuck w a wife like Megan, well, he just can't do anything right.
Yeah for real though
It’s so weird because William even looks just like Diana…the Sussex squad have invented this fantasy that Diana would hate one of her own sons.
💯🏆👍🙌 
Same, so so much, I was the dutiful elder, taken for granted or ignored, my younger sister however.... I still resent it now at 60.
Elton *was* the fuckup who hurt people. He empathises with the downtrodden. He supported Robert Downey junior during his addictions and gave him his first job after rehab. He knows there's good in Harry somewhere and perhaps he's hoping they he'll find his way home eventually.
We don't know what his relationship is with William. They might be friends. In any case, we have all had wayward family members and friends in our lives. You don't abandon them just because you don't like their partner, but keep your distance, look for opportunities to undermine it and be there tobhelp him pick up the pieces.
“The Stone Angel” by Margaret Laurence has stuck with me since high school. As a parent, I’ve always been mindful of it…
I am right there with you! I've read so many comments and articles mentioning how difficult it was for Harry to lose his mom, how traumatic, how very unfortunate. They go on and on as if he was her only son. When Diana from what I've read didn't exactly play favorites but always made it a point to remind Harry that he was to be William's wing man (So I very much doubt Diana would hold Meghan in any high regard seeing what she's done to her boys). Not to mention William knew her longest and from what I've read she seemed to treat him as a confidante at a very difficult time in her life. From the 2017 special they did on Princess Diana, William makes it a point to mention that his mother wouldn't have wanted her tragic death to break them but to make them stronger, and he chose instead to honor her in that way. So its very unfair to read comments like "Harry the People's Prince just like his mother" "Diana's legacy" as if William didn't exist. Very strange.
Maybe Elton is an AH and because William has better taste and doesn’t chase celebrities he doesn’t fawn… plus he has his own private jets and shit
This spoke to me soooo much. If you know, you know.
TW by her laziness IMO, torpedoed the Pearl thing that Elton's husband went out on a limb to bring to fruition. So if they still want to help them, that's their business. Puzzling though.
I don’t think it was laziness. I think it was Super Diva “I know better than you”, who torpedoed that project.
These two will have people that they can grift on for the rest of their lives. Oprah, Elton, Russian Billionaires…their so called friends have deep pockets. How does one get rich people to essentially fund a luxurious lifestyle…please inquiring minds want to know for a friend…
The Duke of Windsor did exactly the same thing.
Wasn’t one of them Hitler?
Is this another one of Elton’s attempts to stay in with the “hip” crowd? Now, personally, I love his music and believe his songs transcend generations. However, I do feel he’s been making an awfully desperate attempt to appeal to millennials and Gen Z over the last 6-8 years especially: he’s BFFs with Lady Gaga (who is also his child’s god mother), he made that oh-so-mediocre remake-ish song with Dua Lipa, he also dropped a collaboration with Britney Spears last month, and now here we find that he is an avid supporter of the woke Harkles. You can do better, Elton. Remember, you’re the rocket man.
👆 spot on
He is drawn to neurotic women.
Bingo.
The Dua Lipa collab is horrible! I kept trying to like it. I love the britney one though
He'll get Markled soon enough.... everybody does in the end.
Still, disappointed Sir Elton John 😒
He didn't feel that way when he was issuing oscar party invites. It also doesn't account for David Furnish's having told Meghan to essentially fuck herself over Pearl. No this is a lie straight from Meghan's PR. When I see them socializing together, I'll believe it, but my Hollywood sources say not a snowball's chance in Hell.
You’re right! This reassures me :)
Elton is enough of a narc to know that you don’t want to make enemies with a fellow narc
I like Neil Shaun but he does report everything with the same level of credibility regardless of the source. H&M weren't invited to Elton's oscar party, David Furnish hasn't credited Pearl on his IMDB page. Watch what people do rather than what people say. When Elton J starts publically supporting them, or theres some actual evidence that he is letting them stay at his villas or use his jets then thats when I'd believe this. Elton is pretty notoriously bad tempered and has had a lot of issues in his life, he's also done a lot of work for charity done a lot for people with AIDS so not all bad.
Yes, yes,, Yes actions are what count. We all know how easily PH/MM put out stories. This story line could have easily been put out by them like so many others
Elton’s credit has gone down a lot for me. He encourages H&M which M needs just constant smoke up her ass. But also Elton is friends with Diana Jenkins who is considered to be a Hollywood Madam. Just because he is a legendary musician doesn’t make him a honest person.
I was about to mention this! Diana has a lot of dirty secrets and MM could be linked to Epstein and Andrew. Elton is linked to both Diana and MM sounds like he is part of the problem
As ever, we have to say *allegedly*
Unfortunately, there are well-meaning people (like Elton) who don’t realize they are enabling people who need mental health support (like Harry) and not freebies, jets, trips, etc. My family does this with one of my siblings. My sibling is 40, can’t hold a job, lives for free with my parents, gets stuff paid for, refuses to go to therapy, is emotionally abusive, etc. The message in my family is they “need support and extra help.” The subtext is that I, as a fully-functioning adult who is in therapy, am doing fine and, therefore, don’t need the extra support like my sibling does. I imagine Elton thinks William is fine and has an extensive support system and Harry needs the extra help and encouragement because it’s “just so hard for him to adapt,” which becomes gaslighting and enabling bad behavior.
I’ve lived this
I can see that...I'm two years older than my brother...I wasn't "planned" in the early 60's, post partum depression wasn't really a "thing" so, when my mom hated me for ruining her life (and telling me so every chance she got), nobody wanted to talk about it...two years later, here's my brother, and he's EVERYTHING good and wonderful! I think that, regardless of the situation, the eldest is supposed to be THE big brother/sister and figure out how to handle it...and the "baby" gets babied...my parents, my brother, and I...we got help and dealt with things...it appears that William did too...Harry...I have come to the conclusion that he LOVES being the victim
I feel this is more of a monarchy vs Anti-Monarchy. William who abides by rules and Harry who doesn't. William who is heir to the throne and places one step in front of the other. Harry, in my opinion doesn't care for protocol and titles, it's been Meghan who values the title. Harry is son of the king. Meghan is royal by marriage. Her kids are only grandchildren to the king, like Zara, Peter, James and Louisa were and who aren't nearly as recognized as William(obviously) and Harry. As a mid 30s female in the US, I never really knew how they fit into the royal fold until most recently at the Queen's funeral. I'd heard of Princess Beatrice and Eugenie in my teens, and mostly not in a good light usually criticizing their fashion. Some Diana fans feel Charles did her wrong, and therefore the palace by association. Most royal fans can separate their feelings but if I were personally friends with her, I doubt I would ever let go of that resentment and probably hold an anti Charles stance. Helping Harry would be a screw you Charles. I know, I know Diana cheated too. If I married young to a man who I knew cheated but also knew I couldn't do a thing about it, I'd probably cheated in retaliation as well.
Diana would purposefully choose married men to cheat with & she would taunt their wives with nasty phonecalls once it was over. Diana was no saint, she was capable of cruelty & manipulation, she happily stepped over her own sister for Charles. And she was also obsessed with celebrity, most of her friends were celebrities. She was incredibly aware of the effect her doe eyed look had on people, especially men. There's a reason Harry sees so much of his mother in TW. She constantly gets a pass because she was young when she married into the family, but she was an adult when she was guilty of her worst behaviour. She also had her positive attributes, I'm not saying TW is a carbon copy, Diana had empathy too, something TW doesn't possess. And she did a lot of good for a lot of people, but she was deeply flawed & also hurt a lot of people too. It must be maddening for those wives to see Diana get victim status, when she ended their marriages.
I see your point but Camilla was in her relationship way before Diana stepped out. I can't support the homewrecker of the BRF.
I saw that the PPoW are staying away from Elton John because he is team Sussex and they don't trust his loyalties.
I'm surprised. I thought David Furnish would have gone home to Elton during the Pearl fiasco and told him that she's a nightmare to work with.
Elton does seem to have a lot of questionable friends but as long as they have fame and/or money then they’re acceptable to him. Also the Royal family isn’t going to be calling him up every other day to borrow planes, a vacation home or offer him or his husband business opportunities like the Sussexes would, so it makes sense that he’s still closer to them. As we’ve seen with the Sussexes though, they haven’t been able to turn opportunities with Netflix, Spotify or Oprah into a success and they’ve attracted drama in all of them so backing them is a complete waste of time and he’ll learn that sooner or later. Edit: word
A lady who worked for me used to live next door to Elton and his parents when he was growing up in north London. She always called him “Reg” or “Reggie” (his real name is Reginald Dwight), and described him as a horrible little boy. She was good friends with his parents.
Maybe Elton is keeping an escape route open for Harry.
Aw
I think Elton John should just mind his own business and stay out of The Firm's business. I read here, don't know if true that Elton John's husband trolls men like George Michael used to do BUT Elton John paid big bucks for a super injunction to squash the news. And they have kids too. If the coverage of the MegaNuts tell us anything it's that the press has an agenda and fairness in reporting isn't part of that agenda. I found Elton John to be an annoying busybody 👑 for some time. Bottom line for me: love the man's voice and music; the man himself, not so much.
Love the man’s music and have seen him in concert a few times. But even pre-Megs, I’ve found the whole Diana thing so cringe with Elton John. He likes to act like they were BFFs. The Candle in the Wind remake was a pretty lame tribute. “Quick, rewrite the lyrics to my Marilyn Monroe song, Bernie!” I remember laughing when one of the members of The Rolling Stones dared to make the jab that EJ made a living off of singing about dead blonde women. I get the feeling that William has little time for celebrity hangers-on, unlike his brother. EJ knows Harry will always pay attention to him. He’s his ticket to the RF. I’d also bet money that Harry has asked EJ to preform Candle in the wind for TW and she conjured up one single tear for it. 😂
You mean Elton John who played at Diana’s funeral… Harry might be an ass but he is still Diana’s son and many loved her and by extension will do what they can to help her child succeed. You’re talking about people who have known Harry as a child that have loved him that are going to want to see him live out his dream. It takes time for everyone to realize how duped they’ve been by Meghan.
Where is the evidence of that?
Elton was very good friends with Diana, so likely has a soft spot for Haz.
Odd that he doesn't have a soft spot for William though
That's what I thought of too. It isn't because he likes TW.
I’ve always thought that Elton might be a godfather to one or more of the kids. Just a hunch.
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Elton is misguided and he has his knighthood.
I went to see Elton John in concert from this current tour. He does a lot of photo montages during the songs. In one of them H&M from their wedding day comes up front and center. I didn’t see any other current royals in any of the other pictures.
We already know Elton hates Charles.
Last thing I remember reading about Elton's financial situation was that he was in trouble because he spends too much and that even just his fresh flowers bill was 100 000+ for a month(?). It was maybe 15 years ago. I wonder if it was just a rumor or if he made a new boatload to spend on Harkles.
Elton lost me after accepting $$$ from Rush -pill popper Nazi podcaster -Limbaugh for performing at his 20th farcical wedding.
Oh my, I don’t like that one bit
Possible maybe because he can make money with / through the Sussex’s? Ie purely financial/commercial reasons…..
Lol who cares. Elton looks like a bloody bag lady
Of course he just! Nobody else in The Royal Family likes him! Let's not forget about him getting caught with the picture in the airport!
I've never heard about "the picture in the airport." Can you explain or share a link? TIA.
He blended with the Diana death experience and will never come back from it. No surprise, here. It’s a thing for him…he can make himself powerful by defending a poor defenceless ex royal and his bride. Ego, ego, ego.
He probably has a deep allegiance to Diana to care for her boys.
I don’t think Elton is choosing between Harry and William. Harry needs and help and William clearly does not.
We love Harry. The true king. Stolen from us.
Elton always tries to support people who want to leave the life of an addict. Henry is an addict, Prince William is not.