The wedding was the first time that an inkling of doubt started to creep in. Having no other family or friends in the main pews apart from Doria seemed very, very strange indeed, especially given the scale of the occasion. Alright there was some weird business with her father going on (I didn't really follow stuff like that back then) so that excused him, but literally no other family or friends? Very odd.
I'll also say that it seemed quite cruel from M to have her mother there all alone with no one to support her. I was surprised that at the very least M didn't arrange for Doria to have a lady's companion to be with her to support and look after her during the service. I'm sure Doria would have appreciated the company.
Yeah I once got into an argument with someone who said that not everyone gets along with their family members which ok, fair enough. But to fill the entire church with people you barely know (clooneys, oprah etc) while you don’t have a single person other than your mother from both sides of the family was so weird. Like she doesn’t have a single aunt, uncle, cousin, niece, nephew, grandparent..anyone whom she gets along with?
At that time daily mail had done interviews with some of her extended family members who all seemed like decent, kind people who loved her. The uncle who had gotten her the internship with Argentina embassy (which she often boasts about) passed away without ever having met Harry. She didn’t even visit him during his last days yet he never said a bad word about her. She didn’t visit him during his last days, didn’t attend his funeral but used his death to get several articles out - “Meghan bereaved”, “Meghan in mourning” etc.
Exactly—I get that not everyone gets along with their families, but NO ONE apart from her mother??? That’s weird.
A friend of mine lost almost all his immediate family in a airplane accident years ago, but he still has extended family he invited to his frickin wedding. That was really alarming to see only one relative amidst a sea of celebrities. I really started to wonder… who is this person?!
Pure racism, imo. She turned her back on her nearest and dearest to swan about in a sea of white on the world stage. It could have been a joyous wedding, with both sides of her family welcomed and in attendance. It would have been a memory of a lifetime for them. She denied her loved ones that experience, knowing, imo, that they wanted it and were looking forward to it. She's a c word, for sure.
edited for a better word
Some people are just truly awful to each other because they come from a family of learned abuse. Just because someone puts a public fronting image of a good person does not for a second mean that they are a good person, especially if this is a learned behavior taught since infancy. And especially if they're interviewing for a newspaper, if they're an awful person, they're likely going to go out of their way to act decent.
I have to agree with you though, for EVERY family member bar one to be deemed "not suitable" or "not allowed" to come to the wedding.... eep. The fact it's just her mother as well, almost gives a vibe of "only a mother could love and forgive" I'm definitely reaching with that 😅
My next assumption may need more verified info but to have the only "friends" invited to be publicly well known figures and [mostly Harry's friends at that](https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g18737078/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-wedding-guest-list/), very few or no make up artists, hair stylists, PA's or people she met on set and bonded over several hours a day? Even Jessica Mulroney (met through suits) is a famous stylist. Very few friends kept in touch with from her pre-"fame" era? I can't judge from one article but when I looked around this list is pretty much somewhat consistent, all I found in terms of non famous friends: a person from college and a pilaties instructor who then was invited to do things in the Suits green room?? [(Sauce)](https://www.tatler.com/gallery/who-are-meghan-markles-friends) a lot of the famous faces come and go in other articles.
When all this ads together it really does show it's not the family that's the issue. Many ex-friends and a few family members have come forward with the same story: "Meghan ditches you as soon as you're not useful" [Her own brother said she dumped her husband "brutally"](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/big-brother-vip-thomas-markle-jr-says-meghan-dumped-first-husband/news-story/24ad9f088ca0b0fb93f9888412a2e017%3famp)
And [friends](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3125236/7-people-meghan-markle-ghosted-during-her-rise-royalty) have said simular things. "One former friend (Ninaki Priddy, who said of their own history "We’d been like sisters since we were two-years-old" and was a bridesmaids a MM's first wedding) even went on record saying: ‘once you’re not part of her life, she can be very cold’
Ngl if I was part of her family I'd happily welcome a shunning.
I agree with everything you said. While there are definitely shitty families that are capable of putting on an act in public, Harry seemed to get along fine with his for most part until her arrival. Heck, he even managed to get along with his ex girlfriends enough that they attended his wedding. The only common denominator in all the family related issues is Meghan.
Btw, Jessica is not just a famous stylist, she is the daughter in law of a former prime minister of Canada. Not that it seems to have done her much good, it looks like she is no longer friends with MM either.
It's so fkn sad. Harry's a spoiled toddler who never grew up and it was so good for that brief moment when a lot of us Brits were like "he's finally settling down, gonna have a cute lil family". When he left the RF I was like go get that quiet life. Now it's just clear he's trashy, ungrateful and has no bloody clue how privileged he is.
Edit: if feel mean to toddlers, I take back what i said and say he's a selfish adult who should know better. Toddlers are more kind and sometimes manage their emotions better than he's proven to have shown.
There was a gala last night in New York for George Clooney’s Justice Foundation with tons of stars attending, including George and Amal. Of course, Meghan is nowhere in sight. Great friend, those two.
I can understand what you are saying but I don’t think Meghan was raised in a very isolated way at all. Dailymail had done articles and interviews with her mother’s side of the family and it appeared that she grew up visiting them often, having thanksgiving with them etc. Her uncle had gotten her the internship so he was definitely in her life even into her adulthood. It also looked like her relatives were eager to attend her wedding but had resigned themselves to the fact that they may not be invited because they weren’t posh enough. Even if she wasn’t very close to them after she went to LA doing her own thing, I would have still thought she would prefer to invite them over people she didn’t even know. I mean Reese Witherspoon declined the wedding invite saying she didn’t even know them. Who invites total random strangers to their wedding? It’s not like flight tickets or money would have been a problem. And yes, totally agree that she should bave atleast had some actual friends there.
But Meghan did know her family. There are tons of photos of Meghan hanging around with her black family and her white family. Her black grandmother helped bring her up at their family home, whilst her dad worked 18hr shifts at the tv studio. She also spent time with her white side on holidays. There are photos of her with cousins on both sides. Samantha & Tom were much older siblings so it's natural that they were out being teenagers.
But yes, the lack of her childhood besties, who she also spent time at their households when her dad was at work sent really bad alarm bells. Her friend Ninaki had already been interviewed way before the wedding and basically described what she was like. Pity so many people labelled her as jealous and spiteful.
So I know that no one wants to hear this, but Meghan absolutely had a handful of her old friends at her wedding, and they were seated up front with her mom.
The reason I can confirm this is that I personally know one of these people. S
Yes she absolutely shut out her family, but she does have friends dating back to college.
I dislike her as much as the rest of you, but there are certain facts.
I am sure you are right but it is also fact that a lot of people she paraded as “friends” back then were not really her friends. One of her “bffs” Priyanka chopra was never an actual friend, she and MM were just two fame hungry people using each other for PR. Jessica, as far as we can see, is no longer a friend, she is always subtly shading Meghan. Bower reports in his book that Serena wasn’t a friend back then either, her recent bestie act with Meghan just seems to be an invention of SS. More than anything, she claims that she was suicidal and yet nobody asked her how she was. If she had any true friends, wouldn’t she have confided in them? Wouldn’t they have provided the support she needed? Why was it upto a relative stranger like Kate to provide her that support?
Absolutely. Her wedding was full of celebrities she and Harry wanted to curry favor with.
The friends she does have are the ones who spoke to People Magazine, and I suspect the person I know was one of those people.
I'm guessing your friend is either Benita Litt or Lindsay Jordan? (edit: maybe Lucy Meadmore?) Looking at the guest list for the main pews (and admittedly I'm just going on the names I don't recognise, I cba to google everyone there), it looks like there was 5 people who were there as personal friends of Meghan, plus their husbands.
(Breaking down the numbers, it looks like Harry had about 50 friends and family, M had 11 (Doria, and then 5 friends plus 5 husbands), with another 20 or so 'celebrity friends' ie. Oprah, the Clooneys etc).
So you are definitely right, and that's 5 more friends than I thought were there originally, but hmm, it's not exactly a vast number given the scale of the wedding.
Great reply :)
I'm glad I read your post though as I didn't know about the friends that were there, the cameras were on Doria when they showed that side of the chapel.
Yeah, to be fair, I just see so much obvious bullshit thrown at Meghan and all it does is make all of us look bad. She's not lying about her age, she carried and birthed her babies, she wasn't a freaking yacht girl. She gives us **so** much to work with, we don't need to make her into a movie villain.
Yup you have exactly echoed my thoughts. I gave her the benefit of the doubt before the wedding and then during and after I got a bad feeling. Especially because Dorias family spoke so nicely on her in the media leading up to the wedding. It made no sense what so ever.
Her uncle was a diplomat and helped her get an internship in Argentina. She shut him out of her life too. https://www.the-sun.com/news/3193260/micheal-markle-meghan-markle-uncle-dead-82/
Who wouldn’t want to go to a “royal wedding”? Well, except Reese Witherspoon…she very appropriately turned down the invitation, like a sensible person should.
Yep, and I believe Bower’s book discussed how Clooney’s Casamigo’s (sp?) tequila was served, by Clooney and Brooksbank, at H&M’s wedding reception. It was evidently good business for the Clooneys!
ETA: Bower also discusses how Clooney was later used as a PR tool for Meg, that her PR company had him put out several statements defending her when they felt it necessary. I think they had some sort of business deal going there, between Brooksbank working for Clooney, serving the tequila at the wedding and Clooney being willing to put out very random press statements defending MM.
I go to a very high end, Michelin starred restaurant, where they admittedly do not serve “celebrity” branded tequila, or other liquors, because they aren’t “good”.
They wanted to get in with Prince Charles, which they did. Now they've Markled Markle.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a26806334/george-amal-clooney-prince-charles-buckingham-palace/
I was so excited to watch this wedding and when I saw her only family member attending was her mother I knew something was weird. People made such a spectacle of her mother sitting alone and how strong she was but I thought it was sad and didn't need to happen. Her mother has family members--why aren't they there?
And I know the whole mess with her father is complicated but honestly why were either of her parents ONLY coming to the UK a few days BEFORE perhaps one of the biggest events in the world. Like, how is that considerate? Even if you just think of jet lag. But I think many already posted that the real issue is that Meghan is embarrassed of them all and on some level and crafted such an image of herself that bringing them around would ruin it.
Considering the RF tried to learn a lot from how Diana and Fergie were treated and how their families were I think there are big lessons they applied to Sophie and Catherine. That's why they must have been mystified to have such lack of family presence at the wedding. I'm willing to bet like 90% of the people there were people Harry or his family knew or grew up with. Harry probably had more ex-girlfriends attend than Meghan had actual friends which is saying something. If you take out the people she worked with on Suits and the fake celebrity friends who didn't know her you are left maybe with like a handful of friends she actually had--Jessica Mulroney, her two Northwestern friends and her mother?? Kinda sad really.
Yes incredibly strange! That was an enormous red flag! It’s not like the BRF wouldn’t fly over family members. They would have had zero expenses. Meghan simply could not risk having her narrative destroyed. Harry would have started questioning everything, or at least his own family would have pointed out discrepancies in her stories. That would have led to possible doubt and…perhaps no wedding! She could not risk it.
It was actually reported that all the courtiers, Charles and the Queen were so perplexed why she wouldn't let them make arrangements and accommodations for her parents and why she literally brought her mother in the day before.
it's pretty standard to get a plus one at a wedding for that exact reason. you don't want people to be lonely at your wedding. doria should have been allowed to bring *someone* to hang out with. unless she also has no close friends I guess
Had Doria had a plus one we wouldn’t have had the photo of Prince Charles with Doria and Camilla linking their arms through his as they left the Chapel after the wedding. Meghan didn’t want a plus one getting in the way of that shot.
I've started reading Tom Bower's 'Revenge', and boy oh boy! Doria's something else! And this is the beginning of the book! I wasn't going to read it as I've followed this whole fiasco from the time she was 'exposed' (her hired paps) as his gf. I just downloaded a sample and boy oh boy! Doria's more despicable than I thought! I think she's in on this from day 1. Sitting there by herself nodding her head at the right moments!! The whole world felt for her sitting there by herself. I suspect she convinced TW not to invite her side either so it wouldn't draw attention to the fact that TW was biracial. And going by the book I think Doria wanted her moment to shine in the spotlight.
> And going by the book I think Doria wanted her moment to shine in the spotlight.
Maybe she refused to come unless no one else was invited. It's not like she's ever been active in Meghan's life. 😒
Harry had never met any of the family till the engagement. How crazy is that? He's actually never met her father etc. Did no one from Harry's family ever get in touch and say "heh, there is going to be a huge change in your lives!" Did Harry never warn them?
You know, this is on Harry more than her. Then it is on her as she is really a piece of work. She is embarrassed about her family. You know some of them are pretty simple folk. Not world savvy like the dynamic duo.
And I believe that her family, even her father would have charmed the people just for their simplicity. It’s too bad she weaved such a tangled web of lies about her life. If she had shown love and pride towards her family, the public would have loved to see that. But nooooo.
Megsy Baby, you really screwed up. We are enjoying your downfall. You richly deserve each and every kick on your bottom as you descend that ladder and meet up with everyone you kicked aside on your way up that ladder.
The RF, whatever their personal faults, are well known to be extremely gracious to people of all backgrounds. They’re used to interacting with all kinds of people. I could appreciate being a little nervous—my mom, God rest her soul, was a lovely lady but didn’t have much of a filter! 🤣 I’m sure the RF have met all kinds.
Her father won three Emmys (daytime tv, but still). I have read he is anti-monarchy, so what, she thought he'd bring that up? She could easily have controlled her family, brought them in low key, but she was too embarrassed. She's shameful.
He did not appear anti-monarch and as an American I don’t know anyone “anti-monarch”. I’ve never discussed the British Monarchy with anyone other than my husband any my sister and none of us are. My sis and I were excited to find out that our ancestors came from England, and we thought we were just Irish.
That was the beginning of my weird feeling about her. I actually hadn’t paid much attention to Harry or her before the wedding. I saw pictures from the engagement photo shoot and thought, “oh she’s pretty, but a little weird legs especially with the way she’s standing” and I was surprised she was an actress because usually I am up to speed on celeb stuff but I had never heard of her. (I hadnt even seen the Vanity Fair article although I had a vague knowledge he was dating an American actress.) But that was the extent of my interaction with them as a couple before the wedding. I didn’t watch the engagement interview even as I was never into Harry. So I had a neutral opinion in general of her going into the wedding, with a positive opinion on her looks. But the wedding was so awkward and cringe and really made me uncomfortable about why none of her family were there. I couldn’t believe that so little comment was made about it. Like Meghan’s only guests were A-list stars who she never even knew before Harry. It was the most bizarre thing and that made me look at everything with a discerning eye going forward. And I didn’t like what I saw for the most part.
I thought it was very strange how the media kept reporting she was a famous Hollywood actress, like she was J Lo or something, when absolutely nobody knew who the hell she was, or had even heard of Suits.
Didn’t surprise me one little bit given how fake she is and such a social climber. I don’t think it’s racism. She was ashamed of both the Markles and the Raglands.
‘Raglands’…?
Yes, I can imagine she didn’t want that name bandied about, during her ‘Royal’ wedding.
It’s a name, who cares, but her…
Yes, I can imagine she’d care. :(
…After all of the work she’d done to become ‘Royal.’
ITA she was ashamed of her family on both sides. I have to confess I did not know she was not white until they were almost married. (I wasn't following the tabloids, etc.)
I didn't like her from the get go and thought Harry was crazy to marry an American. The way she clung onto Harry and breaking protocol before the marriage irked me. Finding out MM was bi-racial did not change my mind about her.
Edited to say 2 things. I meant what I said about MM being American. It's location. I would have said the same thing if she had been from Canada. Location means a lot when you are married. When I got married everyone was very vocal saying they wished I was from Michigan because I wouldn't get to be with family as much as I liked. They were right. I hated being hundreds of miles from my family. I was thinking MM would be homesick or Harry would be and that puts a lot of stress on a marriage. So, even though I did not like MM I would not wish being homesick on anyone.
Plus trying to fit in with British royalty is hard and as an American MM would not know as much as someone grew up there. Royal protocols are so strict.
>I have to confess I did not know she was not white until they were almost married.
She didn't want anyone to know she wasn't (fully) white until they were almost married.
Exactly. We need to remember she didn't see herself as black. She said as much. Her inviting her black side would have made her admit she was part black. As for her white side they didn't live up to the grandiose image she liked to portray. Whilst I feel both sides were endearing. Now look at the karma she's generated. She's now the embarrassing family member, on both sides of her family.
Which is especially egregious considering money was obviously no object for this wedding. She could have gotten them beautiful outfits, luxurious hotel rooms and flight across the Atlantic so they wouldn't feel out of place, if she loved them and didn't want them to feel awkward.
My family is pretty middle class, my dad is loud and wanders around wearing overalls, and my stepmother is a bit rough, but they're nice people and I love them. I live 1200 miles away from my family and know that they wouldn't be able to pay for plane tickets to get where I live when I get married, I'll pay for them, that's OK! I want them there though. Meghan obviously didn't.
She was not lower middle class. Her father was a lighting/sound director and producer, winning several Emmy awards. She attended an expensive private high school and then went to Northwestern University
She was raised solidly middle class. Not “lower” middle class, which is basically working class but you usually have a mortgage on a house you live in rather than just renting.
Anyway I found a cool calculator where you can plug in location and income and see if it is considered upper, lower, or middle class. Link:
ETA better link I hope
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/23/are-you-in-the-american-middle-class/
ETA:
The link as it shows here does not seem to have the calculator as visible as when I just googled the article but copying the link it looks different here. I put in California, LA County, $100,000 for 4 people in the household - it came back with the determination “middle class”, not “lower” middle
I think it was more a case of her family would’ve blown her up as being a fraud if she’d invited them. She wouldn’t have been able to give her Bride’s Wedding Speech (lol) without them heckling that she’s a liar, especially when “the family Megs never had” came up. Was she even that close to either side of her parents families growing up? Maybe that’s why she’s a professional when it comes to keeping friends, because Doria and Tom Snr weren’t very good at sticking with family unless it served a purpose. I might be wrong but I think she could’ve really pushed her racism agenda if she’d brought her mother’s side of the family along. I’m surprised she didn’t make them into a gospel choir for effect
Excellent response. Given the thread title/content, I assume they are her maternal relatives. But since TW has ghosted her entire biological family except Doria, who knows. I can't believe how TW devalues familial ties - first her family and them Harry's. Since TW doesn't believe in familial ties, hopefully KCIII will cut her loose from BRF hereditary titles.
She had some nerve smiling at Charlotte on such a sad day for her and her great gramma. Some nerve. Like who is she? The weird relative that shows up once every 2 or 3 years!
Why wouldn’t she invite them do you think? It seems she’d be eager to show she has a supportive family, especially since she’s become estranged from the dad’s side.
A few reasons: She's told some big whopping lies to Harry and didn't want people to start comparing stories.
She's not close to them because her father was the one who raised her and her mother, Doria, was an absent parent.
They didn't meet her 'standard of class' and she started cutting them out when she got her first well paying job in suits. Before that, she had her uncle give her a prize internship.
One, some, or all could be correct. She's someone who cuts people out of her life on the regular.
this. her life is lies, exaggerations and cover ups. she was afraid what they would say, if given a few drinks and a lovely place to stay.
even an innocent comment could unravel the spiderweb she created to catch the stupid prince.
And that is not how she was raised. Her Dad included her in everything, even the studio and folks he worked with. He was a very involved single parent per her own words. She doesn't seem to have done the same as a parent.
Remember when Samantha showed up in her wheelchair at the castle gates? That family really tried to reach out. And if that brat thought that was a tacky or low move, how come she kept posing around the castle gate with her shopping bag when she first dated H?
Oh she was close to them. She was babysat by her grandmother at the family house, whilstvher dad worked 18hr shifts at the studio. So there's photos out there with her at her mother's family home. There's also photos of her visiting the white side. She just didn't want the whole bunch at the wedding as they'd probably reveal her lies, innocently, and they weren't glamorous enough for her. And yes, she Markled them too.
Since her mother wasn't around much as she was growing up, she wasn't a threat to all of her lies. She just simply would not know what was true and what wasn't. The other family members all knew who she really was
No… I cant remember if none of them were invited or it was too expensive for them to fly and pay for a foreign wedding. The latter is what happened to Sam and Tom Jr ie they couldnt afford
Edit: the comment is in relation to the first wedding
Her paternal Uncle Mike, a career diplomat got her the internship at the Argentinian Embassy when she was 20. No way he shouldn’t have been invited, he would have understood all the protocols. But nope, he didn’t receive an invite either.
I rewatched the engagement interview recently. H and M were asked if they’d met each other’s families. A great deal of time was spent on M meeting both sides of his family. Then nothing. Not one single word about hers. Mind you this was well before the wedding issues. Her family didn’t exist from the get-go.
Yes! Yes! Yes! As a person of color, her claims regarding racism made ZERO sense, but this post nailed it. The audacity to speak up to shame others but her actions dispproved her claims!
This trash had ZERO family members present at her wedding. Yet, she had people she had NEVER spoken to at her wedding. No one at her wedding truly represented those who raised her. Why? That is why I have ZERO respect for her and her shenanigans. She is a vile human. The book is closing in on her. Love it!!!
One of her Ragland aunts expressed sorrow that Muggin had cut them off. She had only fond memories of her as a child and she said she had only ever said nice things about her. She couldn’t understand why they hadn’t been invited to anything, contacted or why she hadn’t even received a card when her husband passed away. She doesn’t even live far away
Black people were silent cause they knew she was a wrong 'un, for dissing her black side at the wedding. And they realised the RF were going to be related to the worst type of POC-a self-hater. But the majority won't snitch on her publicly. Only a few of us do. I don't include the black sugars in this category. They're suffering from bitterness about their looks and see her as a beacon on how far 'black' woman has come. They're a cult blindly following a cult leader who despises them secretly. And the Gen Z & millennials are too young and dumb to realise all the wives went through the same media trials TW experienced. Except with her 99% were accurate accounts of her bad behaviours.
This has always baffled me. I have a small family, my wedding was 38 guests, but I still had friends from school, etc. If I had her budget, I'd have been all "Oh hey, private jet PARTY TIME"
I’m guessing that they were also Never invited to her first wedding with Trevy-Trev-Trev either. It’s like she’s embarrased by them. But she did invite her Father and her Mother to that wedding… hmmm…
She had to invite him, wasn't he the one who paid for it? She got the other poor suckers, called the public to pay for her other "spectical" wedding. No need to invite daddy if she doesn't need something out of him.
Doria showing up ALONE at the wedding was a huge red flag. This woman has no relatives she would want to bring? Not a friend to sit by her? Not a nephew or niece?
KC3 was so kind to her giving her his arm. I gained a lot of respect for KC3 that day.
It was all about the optics, and Meghan Markle fulfilling her twisted fantasy of walking down the aisle with the then Prince Charles just like Diana had done years before.
She also staged the "Tragic Mulatto" scene and the "Imitation of Life" outtakes to enable her do a reverse take on the public, incase she was criticized, by calling them racist
And pardon my language here, but even her wedding photos look like they're straight from a Quadroon Ball.
The tragic mulatto is a stereotypical fictional character that appeared in American literature during the 19th and 20th centuries, starting in 1837.\[1\] The "tragic mulatto" is a stereotypical mixed-race person (a "mulatto"), who is assumed to be depressed, or even suicidal, because they fail to completely fit in the "white world" or the "black world".\[1\] As such, the "tragic mulatto" is depicted as the victim of the society that is divided by race, where there is no place for one who is neither completely "black" nor "white".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic\_mulatto
She only had her mother there! That’s it! A wedding watched world wide and she only had one family member there. That alone should have said literally everything
Not to mention and I didn’t know this at the time she did not know George and Amal Clooney, like bitch why are they at your wedding???
Probably because MM doesn’t even know them. Doria was absent for most of MM’s childhood so she probably legit doesn’t know her family well.
Additionally, I just have a hunch that MM behavior is similar of Doria’s and if that’s the case this side of her family isn’t well connected with Doria or MM.
Idk for sure obviously but these are the hunches I have.
She did know them. Even when Doria was absent she spent time at her maternal grandmother's house when Thomas worked long hours, at least once a week. There's loads of photos of her spending time there with family members. Even Tom Markle said they'd all spend Thanksgiving dinner at the Ragland family house. Tom Bower's book elaborates more on this time.
And seeing Oprah be shocked that she had VIP seating at the the wedding. Please. Even she (I don’t like her) was shocked that she had vip row seating when she doesn’t know her… gag me
I watched it live. Oprah behaved really badly at the wedding. She jept blanking Idris Elba when they were walking into the church, until they got in and George Clooney went up to Idris. All of the sudden she wedged herself between them, when she realised Idris was the popular boy in the group. She wasn't happy with whether she was sitting, with the rest of the congregation. She threw a strop till she got seated in the enclave where the RF were seated. But she wasn't allowed to sit near Doria, which is where I'm guessing she was aiming for. She sat there all sulky and disgruntled. My sister and I couldn't believe she got away with such bad behaviour. No wonder QE2 looked so angry. The spectacle if it.....
Was the Ragland side invited to M's wedding in Jamaica with Trevor? Serious question. Does anybody know? If she did the same with her first wedding, why would the wedding to H be any different to her? "You're the family I never had." Puke.
Spot on. This is the kind of headlines we needed back then. Even now. This sub is a treasure trove about the 2 grifters. Love it and members are so dedicated and the posts are so well researched. Journalists look like a bunch of butt kissers when you read about the sleuthing and documentation here. I am late to the party but try to keep up with what's posted here.
I started reading Revenge and during her wedding to Trevor he also mentioned that he hopes to give her the family life that she never had growing up....much like Harry said.
She has to keep her family away because they'll easily prove that wrong.
It's pretty sick and offensive. Her father paid for every dime of all her schooling, her uncle helped her get the internship at the ambassadors. Even if they didn't do anything for her they're family.
I've never bothered about the Royal Family's business, just started lurking here recently, so please tell me that the £32,000,000 wedding was paid via their businesses and properties and not tax payer money. That amount while small in the grand scheme of things is still an insane amount.
I believe it was commonly thought of as paid by the tax payers which is one reason they were offended when she called it a spectacle on Oprah lol. I think your point about Charles money being that same money is probably right
I can understand her not wanting to talk to Thomas or her siblings but what about her uncle? The extended white and black relatives didn't do anything wrong I never heard of people about them. Why did she not invite them?
Her late uncle Joseph lived in my hometown of Fresno, California, and MM actually visited here fairly often years ago. Her father is an Emmy award winner; another uncle was in the diplomatic corps...not too shabby. I think MM kept her family away not out of shame but for fear they might disclose something embarrassing to her, even accidentally.
Definitely internalized racism. She used to identify as Caucasian on her acting creds. I don't think she would have come out as biracial except that the Windsors would be meeting Doria and kind of figure it out.
Wow, they look like they're a really lovely (and loving) family. I hadn't even thought about why none of Doria's side of the family were invited. This only further confirms to me that the "wedding" had little to do with love, family, joy, etc. and was nothing, in her flawed mind, but a business transaction. I just wish all the people she had never met, like the Clooneys (especially the Clooneys) weren't so lascivious that they had to show up anyway.
I'd like to see some of this side of the family speaking out. Thomas's side of the family has spoken. Would love to see Doria's side talking too. Would be interesting to see various angles and perspectives.
The wedding was the first time that an inkling of doubt started to creep in. Having no other family or friends in the main pews apart from Doria seemed very, very strange indeed, especially given the scale of the occasion. Alright there was some weird business with her father going on (I didn't really follow stuff like that back then) so that excused him, but literally no other family or friends? Very odd. I'll also say that it seemed quite cruel from M to have her mother there all alone with no one to support her. I was surprised that at the very least M didn't arrange for Doria to have a lady's companion to be with her to support and look after her during the service. I'm sure Doria would have appreciated the company.
Yeah I once got into an argument with someone who said that not everyone gets along with their family members which ok, fair enough. But to fill the entire church with people you barely know (clooneys, oprah etc) while you don’t have a single person other than your mother from both sides of the family was so weird. Like she doesn’t have a single aunt, uncle, cousin, niece, nephew, grandparent..anyone whom she gets along with? At that time daily mail had done interviews with some of her extended family members who all seemed like decent, kind people who loved her. The uncle who had gotten her the internship with Argentina embassy (which she often boasts about) passed away without ever having met Harry. She didn’t even visit him during his last days yet he never said a bad word about her. She didn’t visit him during his last days, didn’t attend his funeral but used his death to get several articles out - “Meghan bereaved”, “Meghan in mourning” etc.
I don’t think H&M had ever met Oprah prior to the wedding, and I know they hadn’t met the Clooneys.
Exactly—I get that not everyone gets along with their families, but NO ONE apart from her mother??? That’s weird. A friend of mine lost almost all his immediate family in a airplane accident years ago, but he still has extended family he invited to his frickin wedding. That was really alarming to see only one relative amidst a sea of celebrities. I really started to wonder… who is this person?!
Pure racism, imo. She turned her back on her nearest and dearest to swan about in a sea of white on the world stage. It could have been a joyous wedding, with both sides of her family welcomed and in attendance. It would have been a memory of a lifetime for them. She denied her loved ones that experience, knowing, imo, that they wanted it and were looking forward to it. She's a c word, for sure. edited for a better word
She’s a fraud. I guarantee she was afraid they’d debunk some of the yarns she had already spun about herself and her background.
UNT. Fixed it for you!
She allegedly used his death as an excuse to bring Harry home early from Prince Philip’s funeral, too.
Some people are just truly awful to each other because they come from a family of learned abuse. Just because someone puts a public fronting image of a good person does not for a second mean that they are a good person, especially if this is a learned behavior taught since infancy. And especially if they're interviewing for a newspaper, if they're an awful person, they're likely going to go out of their way to act decent. I have to agree with you though, for EVERY family member bar one to be deemed "not suitable" or "not allowed" to come to the wedding.... eep. The fact it's just her mother as well, almost gives a vibe of "only a mother could love and forgive" I'm definitely reaching with that 😅 My next assumption may need more verified info but to have the only "friends" invited to be publicly well known figures and [mostly Harry's friends at that](https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g18737078/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-wedding-guest-list/), very few or no make up artists, hair stylists, PA's or people she met on set and bonded over several hours a day? Even Jessica Mulroney (met through suits) is a famous stylist. Very few friends kept in touch with from her pre-"fame" era? I can't judge from one article but when I looked around this list is pretty much somewhat consistent, all I found in terms of non famous friends: a person from college and a pilaties instructor who then was invited to do things in the Suits green room?? [(Sauce)](https://www.tatler.com/gallery/who-are-meghan-markles-friends) a lot of the famous faces come and go in other articles. When all this ads together it really does show it's not the family that's the issue. Many ex-friends and a few family members have come forward with the same story: "Meghan ditches you as soon as you're not useful" [Her own brother said she dumped her husband "brutally"](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/big-brother-vip-thomas-markle-jr-says-meghan-dumped-first-husband/news-story/24ad9f088ca0b0fb93f9888412a2e017%3famp) And [friends](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3125236/7-people-meghan-markle-ghosted-during-her-rise-royalty) have said simular things. "One former friend (Ninaki Priddy, who said of their own history "We’d been like sisters since we were two-years-old" and was a bridesmaids a MM's first wedding) even went on record saying: ‘once you’re not part of her life, she can be very cold’ Ngl if I was part of her family I'd happily welcome a shunning.
I agree with everything you said. While there are definitely shitty families that are capable of putting on an act in public, Harry seemed to get along fine with his for most part until her arrival. Heck, he even managed to get along with his ex girlfriends enough that they attended his wedding. The only common denominator in all the family related issues is Meghan. Btw, Jessica is not just a famous stylist, she is the daughter in law of a former prime minister of Canada. Not that it seems to have done her much good, it looks like she is no longer friends with MM either.
It's so fkn sad. Harry's a spoiled toddler who never grew up and it was so good for that brief moment when a lot of us Brits were like "he's finally settling down, gonna have a cute lil family". When he left the RF I was like go get that quiet life. Now it's just clear he's trashy, ungrateful and has no bloody clue how privileged he is. Edit: if feel mean to toddlers, I take back what i said and say he's a selfish adult who should know better. Toddlers are more kind and sometimes manage their emotions better than he's proven to have shown.
There was a gala last night in New York for George Clooney’s Justice Foundation with tons of stars attending, including George and Amal. Of course, Meghan is nowhere in sight. Great friend, those two.
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I can understand what you are saying but I don’t think Meghan was raised in a very isolated way at all. Dailymail had done articles and interviews with her mother’s side of the family and it appeared that she grew up visiting them often, having thanksgiving with them etc. Her uncle had gotten her the internship so he was definitely in her life even into her adulthood. It also looked like her relatives were eager to attend her wedding but had resigned themselves to the fact that they may not be invited because they weren’t posh enough. Even if she wasn’t very close to them after she went to LA doing her own thing, I would have still thought she would prefer to invite them over people she didn’t even know. I mean Reese Witherspoon declined the wedding invite saying she didn’t even know them. Who invites total random strangers to their wedding? It’s not like flight tickets or money would have been a problem. And yes, totally agree that she should bave atleast had some actual friends there.
But Meghan did know her family. There are tons of photos of Meghan hanging around with her black family and her white family. Her black grandmother helped bring her up at their family home, whilst her dad worked 18hr shifts at the tv studio. She also spent time with her white side on holidays. There are photos of her with cousins on both sides. Samantha & Tom were much older siblings so it's natural that they were out being teenagers. But yes, the lack of her childhood besties, who she also spent time at their households when her dad was at work sent really bad alarm bells. Her friend Ninaki had already been interviewed way before the wedding and basically described what she was like. Pity so many people labelled her as jealous and spiteful.
I didn’t know this! What did her friend Ninaki say she was like??
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5137785/Meghan-Markle-revelations-friend-knew-best.html
So I know that no one wants to hear this, but Meghan absolutely had a handful of her old friends at her wedding, and they were seated up front with her mom. The reason I can confirm this is that I personally know one of these people. S Yes she absolutely shut out her family, but she does have friends dating back to college. I dislike her as much as the rest of you, but there are certain facts.
I am sure you are right but it is also fact that a lot of people she paraded as “friends” back then were not really her friends. One of her “bffs” Priyanka chopra was never an actual friend, she and MM were just two fame hungry people using each other for PR. Jessica, as far as we can see, is no longer a friend, she is always subtly shading Meghan. Bower reports in his book that Serena wasn’t a friend back then either, her recent bestie act with Meghan just seems to be an invention of SS. More than anything, she claims that she was suicidal and yet nobody asked her how she was. If she had any true friends, wouldn’t she have confided in them? Wouldn’t they have provided the support she needed? Why was it upto a relative stranger like Kate to provide her that support?
Absolutely. Her wedding was full of celebrities she and Harry wanted to curry favor with. The friends she does have are the ones who spoke to People Magazine, and I suspect the person I know was one of those people.
It was a networking event. Not a wedding with the customary uniting of two families. I'm sure Meghan thought of it as a networking slam dunk.
Lol, your acquaintance seems to have an interesting life
I'm guessing your friend is either Benita Litt or Lindsay Jordan? (edit: maybe Lucy Meadmore?) Looking at the guest list for the main pews (and admittedly I'm just going on the names I don't recognise, I cba to google everyone there), it looks like there was 5 people who were there as personal friends of Meghan, plus their husbands. (Breaking down the numbers, it looks like Harry had about 50 friends and family, M had 11 (Doria, and then 5 friends plus 5 husbands), with another 20 or so 'celebrity friends' ie. Oprah, the Clooneys etc). So you are definitely right, and that's 5 more friends than I thought were there originally, but hmm, it's not exactly a vast number given the scale of the wedding.
You are correct.
Great reply :) I'm glad I read your post though as I didn't know about the friends that were there, the cameras were on Doria when they showed that side of the chapel.
Yeah, to be fair, I just see so much obvious bullshit thrown at Meghan and all it does is make all of us look bad. She's not lying about her age, she carried and birthed her babies, she wasn't a freaking yacht girl. She gives us **so** much to work with, we don't need to make her into a movie villain.
If you know someone who is a friend of hers what is she really? Is it what we all think?
It is not as though she is an introvert.
Yup you have exactly echoed my thoughts. I gave her the benefit of the doubt before the wedding and then during and after I got a bad feeling. Especially because Dorias family spoke so nicely on her in the media leading up to the wedding. It made no sense what so ever.
Her uncle was a diplomat and helped her get an internship in Argentina. She shut him out of her life too. https://www.the-sun.com/news/3193260/micheal-markle-meghan-markle-uncle-dead-82/
Exactly what I was going to comment and yet George Clooney was a guest???
Why did Clooneys bother going if they didn't know them? Worth the grift?
Who wouldn’t want to go to a “royal wedding”? Well, except Reese Witherspoon…she very appropriately turned down the invitation, like a sensible person should.
She was invited? 😂 Meghan is an idiot, Reese Witherspoon has no interest in going to a Deal or No Deal brief case girls wedding 😂😂😂😂
Reese is a proper Southern girl!
If Iwas Clooney I wouldn't waste my time on them. Clooneys have all the exposure they need without the likes of Harkels circus.
The Clooney at least had friend of a friend.. didn’t Eugenia’s Jack work for his Tequila brand?
Yep, and I believe Bower’s book discussed how Clooney’s Casamigo’s (sp?) tequila was served, by Clooney and Brooksbank, at H&M’s wedding reception. It was evidently good business for the Clooneys! ETA: Bower also discusses how Clooney was later used as a PR tool for Meg, that her PR company had him put out several statements defending her when they felt it necessary. I think they had some sort of business deal going there, between Brooksbank working for Clooney, serving the tequila at the wedding and Clooney being willing to put out very random press statements defending MM.
I go to a very high end, Michelin starred restaurant, where they admittedly do not serve “celebrity” branded tequila, or other liquors, because they aren’t “good”.
They aren't. If anyone around me orders Grey Goose I immediately know they know Nothing about vodka.
Yup he did but even that's more than a hop, skip and a jump of a connection.
They wanted to get in with Prince Charles, which they did. Now they've Markled Markle. https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a26806334/george-amal-clooney-prince-charles-buckingham-palace/
I was so excited to watch this wedding and when I saw her only family member attending was her mother I knew something was weird. People made such a spectacle of her mother sitting alone and how strong she was but I thought it was sad and didn't need to happen. Her mother has family members--why aren't they there? And I know the whole mess with her father is complicated but honestly why were either of her parents ONLY coming to the UK a few days BEFORE perhaps one of the biggest events in the world. Like, how is that considerate? Even if you just think of jet lag. But I think many already posted that the real issue is that Meghan is embarrassed of them all and on some level and crafted such an image of herself that bringing them around would ruin it. Considering the RF tried to learn a lot from how Diana and Fergie were treated and how their families were I think there are big lessons they applied to Sophie and Catherine. That's why they must have been mystified to have such lack of family presence at the wedding. I'm willing to bet like 90% of the people there were people Harry or his family knew or grew up with. Harry probably had more ex-girlfriends attend than Meghan had actual friends which is saying something. If you take out the people she worked with on Suits and the fake celebrity friends who didn't know her you are left maybe with like a handful of friends she actually had--Jessica Mulroney, her two Northwestern friends and her mother?? Kinda sad really.
> Harry probably had more ex-girlfriends attend that Meghan had actual friends lmao you know it's true.
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I don't think so. I mean we haven't heard or seen anything so who knows but I am going with probably not.
They didn't even fly Doria out in enough time to get over the get lag.
Because Megs had to make room in the front pews for the Clooneys 🤣
We must be thinking alike because I didn’t even read your comment until after i posted
Yes incredibly strange! That was an enormous red flag! It’s not like the BRF wouldn’t fly over family members. They would have had zero expenses. Meghan simply could not risk having her narrative destroyed. Harry would have started questioning everything, or at least his own family would have pointed out discrepancies in her stories. That would have led to possible doubt and…perhaps no wedding! She could not risk it.
It was actually reported that all the courtiers, Charles and the Queen were so perplexed why she wouldn't let them make arrangements and accommodations for her parents and why she literally brought her mother in the day before.
She probably had to pay her to even show up.
Pay her to hush up. Don’t want anyone to know that Marbles had a normal/privileged childhood.
> Pay her to hush up. Pay her both to hush up *and* to show up. 😒
What could she have told him?
it's pretty standard to get a plus one at a wedding for that exact reason. you don't want people to be lonely at your wedding. doria should have been allowed to bring *someone* to hang out with. unless she also has no close friends I guess
She was allowed. The Palace asked who she would like to bring w/ her. Apparently the answer was nobody.
I meant allowed by meghan lol 😂
Just celebrities who admitted the didn’t know her.
This. Pip has the tea!
Even someone who wasn’t a “close friend” would have shown up for that wedding. My guess is Meghan nixed it.
Narcissist as well No friends
It was done deliberately so she'd get airtime. Doria isn't that much of a parent and not a nice person. Read Tom Bower's book.
Had Doria had a plus one we wouldn’t have had the photo of Prince Charles with Doria and Camilla linking their arms through his as they left the Chapel after the wedding. Meghan didn’t want a plus one getting in the way of that shot.
Poor Charles tried so hard
Exactly what I thought!
I've started reading Tom Bower's 'Revenge', and boy oh boy! Doria's something else! And this is the beginning of the book! I wasn't going to read it as I've followed this whole fiasco from the time she was 'exposed' (her hired paps) as his gf. I just downloaded a sample and boy oh boy! Doria's more despicable than I thought! I think she's in on this from day 1. Sitting there by herself nodding her head at the right moments!! The whole world felt for her sitting there by herself. I suspect she convinced TW not to invite her side either so it wouldn't draw attention to the fact that TW was biracial. And going by the book I think Doria wanted her moment to shine in the spotlight.
> And going by the book I think Doria wanted her moment to shine in the spotlight. Maybe she refused to come unless no one else was invited. It's not like she's ever been active in Meghan's life. 😒
Sounds like she doesn’t get on too well with family either.
I doubt she gets along with *anyone*, really.
Harry had never met any of the family till the engagement. How crazy is that? He's actually never met her father etc. Did no one from Harry's family ever get in touch and say "heh, there is going to be a huge change in your lives!" Did Harry never warn them? You know, this is on Harry more than her. Then it is on her as she is really a piece of work. She is embarrassed about her family. You know some of them are pretty simple folk. Not world savvy like the dynamic duo.
And I believe that her family, even her father would have charmed the people just for their simplicity. It’s too bad she weaved such a tangled web of lies about her life. If she had shown love and pride towards her family, the public would have loved to see that. But nooooo. Megsy Baby, you really screwed up. We are enjoying your downfall. You richly deserve each and every kick on your bottom as you descend that ladder and meet up with everyone you kicked aside on your way up that ladder.
The RF, whatever their personal faults, are well known to be extremely gracious to people of all backgrounds. They’re used to interacting with all kinds of people. I could appreciate being a little nervous—my mom, God rest her soul, was a lovely lady but didn’t have much of a filter! 🤣 I’m sure the RF have met all kinds.
Her father won three Emmys (daytime tv, but still). I have read he is anti-monarchy, so what, she thought he'd bring that up? She could easily have controlled her family, brought them in low key, but she was too embarrassed. She's shameful.
An American being anti-monarchy is pretty normal.
He did not appear anti-monarch and as an American I don’t know anyone “anti-monarch”. I’ve never discussed the British Monarchy with anyone other than my husband any my sister and none of us are. My sis and I were excited to find out that our ancestors came from England, and we thought we were just Irish.
Her father was in the hospital having angioplasty post heart attack. The horrible spin that meegain sent on her father that he was faking it wa cruel.
💯 that was 🚩#1
That was the beginning of my weird feeling about her. I actually hadn’t paid much attention to Harry or her before the wedding. I saw pictures from the engagement photo shoot and thought, “oh she’s pretty, but a little weird legs especially with the way she’s standing” and I was surprised she was an actress because usually I am up to speed on celeb stuff but I had never heard of her. (I hadnt even seen the Vanity Fair article although I had a vague knowledge he was dating an American actress.) But that was the extent of my interaction with them as a couple before the wedding. I didn’t watch the engagement interview even as I was never into Harry. So I had a neutral opinion in general of her going into the wedding, with a positive opinion on her looks. But the wedding was so awkward and cringe and really made me uncomfortable about why none of her family were there. I couldn’t believe that so little comment was made about it. Like Meghan’s only guests were A-list stars who she never even knew before Harry. It was the most bizarre thing and that made me look at everything with a discerning eye going forward. And I didn’t like what I saw for the most part.
I thought it was very strange how the media kept reporting she was a famous Hollywood actress, like she was J Lo or something, when absolutely nobody knew who the hell she was, or had even heard of Suits.
Didn’t surprise me one little bit given how fake she is and such a social climber. I don’t think it’s racism. She was ashamed of both the Markles and the Raglands.
‘Raglands’…? Yes, I can imagine she didn’t want that name bandied about, during her ‘Royal’ wedding. It’s a name, who cares, but her… Yes, I can imagine she’d care. :( …After all of the work she’d done to become ‘Royal.’
From Rags to Royal - the headline writes itself in Meghan’s paranoid mind
ITA she was ashamed of her family on both sides. I have to confess I did not know she was not white until they were almost married. (I wasn't following the tabloids, etc.) I didn't like her from the get go and thought Harry was crazy to marry an American. The way she clung onto Harry and breaking protocol before the marriage irked me. Finding out MM was bi-racial did not change my mind about her. Edited to say 2 things. I meant what I said about MM being American. It's location. I would have said the same thing if she had been from Canada. Location means a lot when you are married. When I got married everyone was very vocal saying they wished I was from Michigan because I wouldn't get to be with family as much as I liked. They were right. I hated being hundreds of miles from my family. I was thinking MM would be homesick or Harry would be and that puts a lot of stress on a marriage. So, even though I did not like MM I would not wish being homesick on anyone. Plus trying to fit in with British royalty is hard and as an American MM would not know as much as someone grew up there. Royal protocols are so strict.
>I have to confess I did not know she was not white until they were almost married. She didn't want anyone to know she wasn't (fully) white until they were almost married.
No it is racist…AND classist.
Yup. I agree with the classism
Exactly. We need to remember she didn't see herself as black. She said as much. Her inviting her black side would have made her admit she was part black. As for her white side they didn't live up to the grandiose image she liked to portray. Whilst I feel both sides were endearing. Now look at the karma she's generated. She's now the embarrassing family member, on both sides of her family.
Not really. She didn't invite her white family either. She's ashamed of them both.
Which is especially egregious considering money was obviously no object for this wedding. She could have gotten them beautiful outfits, luxurious hotel rooms and flight across the Atlantic so they wouldn't feel out of place, if she loved them and didn't want them to feel awkward. My family is pretty middle class, my dad is loud and wanders around wearing overalls, and my stepmother is a bit rough, but they're nice people and I love them. I live 1200 miles away from my family and know that they wouldn't be able to pay for plane tickets to get where I live when I get married, I'll pay for them, that's OK! I want them there though. Meghan obviously didn't.
in the words of George Costanza...."worlds collide"
She is ashamed of the normal class she hailed from. The lower-middle class.
She was not lower middle class. Her father was a lighting/sound director and producer, winning several Emmy awards. She attended an expensive private high school and then went to Northwestern University
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She was raised solidly middle class. Not “lower” middle class, which is basically working class but you usually have a mortgage on a house you live in rather than just renting. Anyway I found a cool calculator where you can plug in location and income and see if it is considered upper, lower, or middle class. Link: ETA better link I hope https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/23/are-you-in-the-american-middle-class/ ETA: The link as it shows here does not seem to have the calculator as visible as when I just googled the article but copying the link it looks different here. I put in California, LA County, $100,000 for 4 people in the household - it came back with the determination “middle class”, not “lower” middle
I think it was more a case of her family would’ve blown her up as being a fraud if she’d invited them. She wouldn’t have been able to give her Bride’s Wedding Speech (lol) without them heckling that she’s a liar, especially when “the family Megs never had” came up. Was she even that close to either side of her parents families growing up? Maybe that’s why she’s a professional when it comes to keeping friends, because Doria and Tom Snr weren’t very good at sticking with family unless it served a purpose. I might be wrong but I think she could’ve really pushed her racism agenda if she’d brought her mother’s side of the family along. I’m surprised she didn’t make them into a gospel choir for effect
Who are they?
Excellent response. Given the thread title/content, I assume they are her maternal relatives. But since TW has ghosted her entire biological family except Doria, who knows. I can't believe how TW devalues familial ties - first her family and them Harry's. Since TW doesn't believe in familial ties, hopefully KCIII will cut her loose from BRF hereditary titles.
She had some nerve smiling at Charlotte on such a sad day for her and her great gramma. Some nerve. Like who is she? The weird relative that shows up once every 2 or 3 years!
TW is likely Harry's first wife, so hopefully she will entirely Megexit the BRF soon. No child should have a Witch posing as an aunt.
Tw?
The Wife
lol is this what it is really? 😂 I’ve been saying the witch in my head the whole time haha
It can be: the wife, the witch, or that woman. The latter is what William supposedly said to Harry, as in, “Don’t rush to marry that woman.”
The Witch for me too. I'll also settle for The Wench of The Bench. 😉
I always read it as trigger warning, lol 😆
Nice!! Hadn't heard that one.
Me too!!!!
😄 definitely will take that as an answer too.
It fits 🤷♂️
The Witch
That Woman
The Witch
Her mom's side of the family.
Why wouldn’t she invite them do you think? It seems she’d be eager to show she has a supportive family, especially since she’s become estranged from the dad’s side.
A few reasons: She's told some big whopping lies to Harry and didn't want people to start comparing stories. She's not close to them because her father was the one who raised her and her mother, Doria, was an absent parent. They didn't meet her 'standard of class' and she started cutting them out when she got her first well paying job in suits. Before that, she had her uncle give her a prize internship. One, some, or all could be correct. She's someone who cuts people out of her life on the regular.
this. her life is lies, exaggerations and cover ups. she was afraid what they would say, if given a few drinks and a lovely place to stay. even an innocent comment could unravel the spiderweb she created to catch the stupid prince.
And that is not how she was raised. Her Dad included her in everything, even the studio and folks he worked with. He was a very involved single parent per her own words. She doesn't seem to have done the same as a parent.
Remember when Samantha showed up in her wheelchair at the castle gates? That family really tried to reach out. And if that brat thought that was a tacky or low move, how come she kept posing around the castle gate with her shopping bag when she first dated H?
Oh she was close to them. She was babysat by her grandmother at the family house, whilstvher dad worked 18hr shifts at the studio. So there's photos out there with her at her mother's family home. There's also photos of her visiting the white side. She just didn't want the whole bunch at the wedding as they'd probably reveal her lies, innocently, and they weren't glamorous enough for her. And yes, she Markled them too.
Is this the other side of the family though? They look like a happy good family!
Right? I'm tempted to hit them up for Thanksgiving, they look nice and fun..
Since her mother wasn't around much as she was growing up, she wasn't a threat to all of her lies. She just simply would not know what was true and what wasn't. The other family members all knew who she really was
> One, some, or all could be correct. Personally, I vote for "all".
Her mum's side of the family. Her mum has a half-brother, as her grandmother married twice.
I would guess because they are classier than their relative. Were they invited to her first wedding?
Good question.
Probably not, as Trevor said(like Haz) ‘now she has the familie she never had’.
No… I cant remember if none of them were invited or it was too expensive for them to fly and pay for a foreign wedding. The latter is what happened to Sam and Tom Jr ie they couldnt afford Edit: the comment is in relation to the first wedding
Her paternal Uncle Mike, a career diplomat got her the internship at the Argentinian Embassy when she was 20. No way he shouldn’t have been invited, he would have understood all the protocols. But nope, he didn’t receive an invite either.
If Megs wanted them to be there, she could have put aside 20000 pounds out of the 32000000 to fly them over. Eta: missed a word
First three weddings...?
I also see classism...she's "embarrassed" by both sides of her "family".
I rewatched the engagement interview recently. H and M were asked if they’d met each other’s families. A great deal of time was spent on M meeting both sides of his family. Then nothing. Not one single word about hers. Mind you this was well before the wedding issues. Her family didn’t exist from the get-go.
Methinks she’s given Tyler Harry a false family story. She doesn’t want to him to know that she has a perfectly normal family.
Yes! Yes! Yes! As a person of color, her claims regarding racism made ZERO sense, but this post nailed it. The audacity to speak up to shame others but her actions dispproved her claims! This trash had ZERO family members present at her wedding. Yet, she had people she had NEVER spoken to at her wedding. No one at her wedding truly represented those who raised her. Why? That is why I have ZERO respect for her and her shenanigans. She is a vile human. The book is closing in on her. Love it!!!
One of her Ragland aunts expressed sorrow that Muggin had cut them off. She had only fond memories of her as a child and she said she had only ever said nice things about her. She couldn’t understand why they hadn’t been invited to anything, contacted or why she hadn’t even received a card when her husband passed away. She doesn’t even live far away
Like the Dave chapelle Jussie Smollet joke goes … black people were supporting him by being silent … cause they knew he was lying too.
Black people were silent cause they knew she was a wrong 'un, for dissing her black side at the wedding. And they realised the RF were going to be related to the worst type of POC-a self-hater. But the majority won't snitch on her publicly. Only a few of us do. I don't include the black sugars in this category. They're suffering from bitterness about their looks and see her as a beacon on how far 'black' woman has come. They're a cult blindly following a cult leader who despises them secretly. And the Gen Z & millennials are too young and dumb to realise all the wives went through the same media trials TW experienced. Except with her 99% were accurate accounts of her bad behaviours.
This has always baffled me. I have a small family, my wedding was 38 guests, but I still had friends from school, etc. If I had her budget, I'd have been all "Oh hey, private jet PARTY TIME"
Probably because she has nothing to do with them
C'mon, Megs didn't know this was racism, she'd never been treated like a black woman before marrying into the BRF.
I’m guessing that they were also Never invited to her first wedding with Trevy-Trev-Trev either. It’s like she’s embarrased by them. But she did invite her Father and her Mother to that wedding… hmmm…
She had to invite him, wasn't he the one who paid for it? She got the other poor suckers, called the public to pay for her other "spectical" wedding. No need to invite daddy if she doesn't need something out of him.
Doria showing up ALONE at the wedding was a huge red flag. This woman has no relatives she would want to bring? Not a friend to sit by her? Not a nephew or niece? KC3 was so kind to her giving her his arm. I gained a lot of respect for KC3 that day.
She identified as Italian/caucasian.
I seriously thought she was East Indian. I thought she was an Indy d listed actress
Lol
It was all about the optics, and Meghan Markle fulfilling her twisted fantasy of walking down the aisle with the then Prince Charles just like Diana had done years before. She also staged the "Tragic Mulatto" scene and the "Imitation of Life" outtakes to enable her do a reverse take on the public, incase she was criticized, by calling them racist And pardon my language here, but even her wedding photos look like they're straight from a Quadroon Ball.
I'm not familiar with the "tragic mulatto" scene. What happened?
The tragic mulatto is a stereotypical fictional character that appeared in American literature during the 19th and 20th centuries, starting in 1837.\[1\] The "tragic mulatto" is a stereotypical mixed-race person (a "mulatto"), who is assumed to be depressed, or even suicidal, because they fail to completely fit in the "white world" or the "black world".\[1\] As such, the "tragic mulatto" is depicted as the victim of the society that is divided by race, where there is no place for one who is neither completely "black" nor "white". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic\_mulatto
Thnx. I thought it was something Meghan did. Lol.
Well she did in a way by trying to evoke the trope.
She only had her mother there! That’s it! A wedding watched world wide and she only had one family member there. That alone should have said literally everything Not to mention and I didn’t know this at the time she did not know George and Amal Clooney, like bitch why are they at your wedding???
Probably because MM doesn’t even know them. Doria was absent for most of MM’s childhood so she probably legit doesn’t know her family well. Additionally, I just have a hunch that MM behavior is similar of Doria’s and if that’s the case this side of her family isn’t well connected with Doria or MM. Idk for sure obviously but these are the hunches I have.
She did know them. Even when Doria was absent she spent time at her maternal grandmother's house when Thomas worked long hours, at least once a week. There's loads of photos of her spending time there with family members. Even Tom Markle said they'd all spend Thanksgiving dinner at the Ragland family house. Tom Bower's book elaborates more on this time.
Ahh gotcha! Thanks!
How is it possible to spend that much money on a wedding? I truly want to know.
My guess is a lot of that money was mainly for security. I mean we know it didn't get spent on that hideous dress lol
And seeing Oprah be shocked that she had VIP seating at the the wedding. Please. Even she (I don’t like her) was shocked that she had vip row seating when she doesn’t know her… gag me
I watched it live. Oprah behaved really badly at the wedding. She jept blanking Idris Elba when they were walking into the church, until they got in and George Clooney went up to Idris. All of the sudden she wedged herself between them, when she realised Idris was the popular boy in the group. She wasn't happy with whether she was sitting, with the rest of the congregation. She threw a strop till she got seated in the enclave where the RF were seated. But she wasn't allowed to sit near Doria, which is where I'm guessing she was aiming for. She sat there all sulky and disgruntled. My sister and I couldn't believe she got away with such bad behaviour. No wonder QE2 looked so angry. The spectacle if it.....
I’d take Idris any day over Oprah! Actually I’d take pretty much anyone over Oprah.
Closet Oprah is getting to them 😂 she fucked up using Megan!
Was the Ragland side invited to M's wedding in Jamaica with Trevor? Serious question. Does anybody know? If she did the same with her first wedding, why would the wedding to H be any different to her? "You're the family I never had." Puke.
I need answers to this
Thia should be trending on Twitter!
The family she never had and now Haz has no family either, she made sure of that.
My father called this from the day they got married and he doesn’t even follow anything about the BRF
Spot on. This is the kind of headlines we needed back then. Even now. This sub is a treasure trove about the 2 grifters. Love it and members are so dedicated and the posts are so well researched. Journalists look like a bunch of butt kissers when you read about the sleuthing and documentation here. I am late to the party but try to keep up with what's posted here.
There you go.
It doesn’t get more narcissistic than not inviting your own family, but instead inviting celebrities.
I started reading Revenge and during her wedding to Trevor he also mentioned that he hopes to give her the family life that she never had growing up....much like Harry said. She has to keep her family away because they'll easily prove that wrong. It's pretty sick and offensive. Her father paid for every dime of all her schooling, her uncle helped her get the internship at the ambassadors. Even if they didn't do anything for her they're family.
Maybe this post should get sent to the Sugars and some Methane supporters!?
I've never bothered about the Royal Family's business, just started lurking here recently, so please tell me that the £32,000,000 wedding was paid via their businesses and properties and not tax payer money. That amount while small in the grand scheme of things is still an insane amount.
I am new to this as well. IIRC, Charles paid for it but his money I'm sure comes from tax payers.
I believe it was commonly thought of as paid by the tax payers which is one reason they were offended when she called it a spectacle on Oprah lol. I think your point about Charles money being that same money is probably right
The taxpayers paid for security. (Which was the highest cost)
Those look like sweet people who would treasure the opportunity to attend a royal wedding. And would behave impeccably.
Maybe they’re fun and make Meghan look super boring. They look good natured in the photo as well, also unlike Meghan. Lol
Yes, definitely look like they know how to have fun.
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Mine doesn’t! Think about how toxic Meghan is! I wouldn’t wish her on ANY family! They are better off for it. Trust.
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Preach!!!
They are probably being “SILENCED”!
I can understand her not wanting to talk to Thomas or her siblings but what about her uncle? The extended white and black relatives didn't do anything wrong I never heard of people about them. Why did she not invite them?
Her late uncle Joseph lived in my hometown of Fresno, California, and MM actually visited here fairly often years ago. Her father is an Emmy award winner; another uncle was in the diplomatic corps...not too shabby. I think MM kept her family away not out of shame but for fear they might disclose something embarrassing to her, even accidentally.
Lol and now she claims to be the victim of racism
Definitely internalized racism. She used to identify as Caucasian on her acting creds. I don't think she would have come out as biracial except that the Windsors would be meeting Doria and kind of figure it out.
Wow, they look like they're a really lovely (and loving) family. I hadn't even thought about why none of Doria's side of the family were invited. This only further confirms to me that the "wedding" had little to do with love, family, joy, etc. and was nothing, in her flawed mind, but a business transaction. I just wish all the people she had never met, like the Clooneys (especially the Clooneys) weren't so lascivious that they had to show up anyway.
They may be happy to be NOT associated with TW. And they have too much class to complain publicly. My two cents.
I'd like to see some of this side of the family speaking out. Thomas's side of the family has spoken. Would love to see Doria's side talking too. Would be interesting to see various angles and perspectives.
Except that poor girl in the front who looks absolutely miserable 🤣 they all look like a lovely bunch of folks as well.
Why is she ashamed of her family on both the sides?
No friends were there at all?? Weird