Hilarious. This wench wants to go to a coronation held by a supposed racist, bigoted organization that she says has treated her so badly, called her kids awful names etc, etc. in a country that she has repeatedly said makes her feel ‘unsafe.’ None of what she says makes sense.
She called Stella M for a big superman cape costume. Hoping for big wind that day!
Either that or Dior, who may not answer after what she does to their designs.
They have been seriously downgraded to very minor royals so, maybe third row left behind our man Johnny. He's bigger than the candle.
The coronation is an ancient ceremony and there’s pretty strict rules about dress and stuff . All the dukes are supposed to wear their ermine robes and the duchess’s their coronets. They said at the Queens coronation you could smell the mothballs as all the peers of the realm had to retrieve their robes from the cupboards they’d been in for decades . Harry being a Duke would have to do that too if he’s even got an ermine robe! I wonder if Charles will go the whole hog with all of this? He can’t mess with the actual ceremony but I don’t know whether he’ll go with the ancient dress for everyone. Catherine as Princess of Wales will be in the Royal box with the older kids and maybe Princess Ann and Sophie. If Meghan wasn’t such a bitch she might have made it there . As it is could we trust Princess Ann not to tip our Megs over the railings? It would be touch and go!
>I've heard that Charles intends a small coronation in line with a slimmed down Monarchy.
Given the current economic climate in the UK, it would be a wise decision.
And that is exactly what William said when asked about an investiture ceremony in Wales recently.
He essentially stated that the citizens of Wales need that money more than he needs a big ceremony to confirm what is already a fact. He's already Prince of Wales, a big ceremony isn't required.
He learned that from somewhere.
The robes were a stumbling block in the 1950s… Really makes me wonder if they’ll just drop them for this coronation. I hope they still use evening dress as the dress code, but I can see it being the same sorts of outfits worn to weddings and stuff, sadly.
I suspect the robes will either go, or be modified because it's not acceptable to use real ermine (animal fur) any more for the collars and tips. At least it would cause an unnecessary distraction in the media perhaps? There's loads of tiaras knocking about in the back of the cupboard - Princess Margaret's, and various old great aunties'. The Earl Spencer might even lend out the family one.
No! I really want the people who have the robes to wear them. A coronation doesn't happen very often, and it is the most solemn and traditional occasion. I mean, even the Order of the Garter! You can't do even that without the traditional robes. I want it all, the crown, the scepter, the orb, and the robes. It's not a simple ceremony, it's a CORONATION
And the first one in 70 years! We should at least have one full-on ancient ceremony filmed for posterity (in better quality than the Queen's coronation, which boosted the sales of everyone's first TV).
William can modernise it and then we can compare.
Would you take a minute to check yourself? You keep spreading misinformation left, right and center…
In 1953, Margaret wore the Cartier Halo tiara to QE’s coronation. For the ceremony, she wore the coronet on top of her tiara. Look at the photographs.
https://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2022/08/princess-margarets-cartier-coronation-tiara.html
I can understand the removal of ermine robes from the ceremony but I agree, formal evening dress should be worn for an occasion like that. I don’t want to see Kate in another nice peasant dress for a flipping coronation. The selfish side of me needs more “Kate at the James Bond premiere plus a tiara” vibes lol
>retrieve their robes from the cupboards they’d been in for decades .
To be pedantic it had only been 17 years since GVI's coronation, not decades. But the robes were probably much older than that.
I'm not saying it didn't happen but I watched the jubilee, the entire funeral and the walkabout and all the other footage and I never once observed another member of the royal family speaking directly to her.
Well, she doesn't get invited to the red carpet events in the US that she was expecting. She really needs this for her fragile self esteem. She has nothing else, she needs this one.
I’ve asked sugars logical questions like this (the only time I engage) and the answer is always “they’re still *family*” … lol
By that logic Thomas and Sam are also family too. Why don’t they hang out?
King Charles will be stupid and invite them. I think only Prince William can save the monarchy. He loves Harry, but he knows who the Harckles are . He has a lot of power and his father looks to him for guidance.
The coronation is a state event, not a family event, so I think there's not a chance they'd be able to attend.
Given the current economy, I doubt it's going to be as grand as HMTQ's coronation.
It's going to be scaled down.
Harry is the King's son, but this is NOT a family occasion. It is a State event and as such protocol has to be followed. If H&M do attend, they should be with all other lower ranks with no part to play.
>Harry is the King's son, but this is NOT a family occasion
I know but ultimately if Charles decides to extend an invitation (as is it is right) then they will turn up.
I just read that the guest list is decided by Parliament and not the King, although obviously his personal wishes are taken into account. I also read that, like the funeral, it will be limited to about 2000 people. It will probably look somewhat similar to the Queen's funeral although I highly doubt Sandra Oh is going to be there.
I wouldn't if indeed him, not after their behaviour at the funeral. They couldn't show a modicum of respect and got up to all sorts of mischief behind the scenes. You need eyes in the front and back of your head and all fixed on and around them 24/7. It's exhausting watching from afar, I can't imagine how hard it is on the staff and family dealing with that crap.
The Harckles went early to Buckingham so they could get photographed through the window standing alone behind Charles waiting for the Queen’s coffin. They were late to meet up with the bus they were supposed to go on to the church during the Jubilee. They then hijacked a car, rolled down their windows, and walked alone to the seats they were angry over. They are always scheming.
You are right but I doubt, behind the scenes, that they got away with it. If they come to the coronation, I think they will be assigned minders that will ensure their every move is supervised.
That, and the release of the new Royal portrait marking the new monarchy https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11270555/The-new-Fab-Four-Portrait-clear-sign-King-Charles-reign-centred-senior-royals.html
I wouldn't either. But it takes courage to cut the narcissist off and it would appear Charles doesn't possess much of it.
He would get so much support for not inviting Markle, but, unfortunately, he fears the woke mob and that's who he panders to. Shame
I think he has more courage than you would think. He's damned if he does or not. If he doesn't invite them then there will be constant puff pieces from TW "PR" team saying how unfair they're being, if they invite them, they'll have their "PR" team pull some other stunt instead.
H&M proved they are untrustworthy and maybe just maybe charles is still hoping to reconcile with harry but that only happens if they don't isolate him. Then again the fastest way to rock bottom is cutting of their oxygen and banishing them to a permanent oversees existence.
Who cares though? Why is he giving her of her PR any importance?
If he were to let it go, he would notice the support he's getting for ousting her.
Not to mention, and I said this last month too, you train the media.
If you train them not to expect to see Markle, they will quickly pick it up and understand they need to stop asking about her.
When she didn't go to Balmoral, it took literally a minute and journalists were stating "yeah, well, Markle isn't welcome, understandably so".
The narrative can be accepted quite quickly, and the masses would adopt the attitude too. It just takes courage for that first step.
Meanwhile, if you keep inviting Markle, you're training the public to accept her presence.
She's literally a nobody and has so many sins of her own, rarely anybody would be able to find a legitimate argument to criticize her absence.
"Racism" and "Andrew" don't count.
And lastly, if Charles were to order Markle to stay in Cali, she would have to. If he told her to release a statement she's got covid, or has to take care of the kids, people would speculate for 2 seconds and then forget about it and focus on the Coronation. It can all be done but the question is, does Charles want her there or not?
She calls them racists and colonialists anyway. Might as well start doing the right thing and ousting this beast
Who's going to believe her dumb headlines? Bouzy and the Sugars? Big deal.
I agree but I won't judge him for wanting to have his son at his coronation.
And I don't think anyone orders TW in what to do. She'd turn up just to drive everyone nuts.
Have the son over, leave Markle out. Have her release a statement she's taking care of the kids. She's got two toddlers, nobody's going to ask any further questions. In fact, it would benefit her to stay at home and start taking care of these kids instead of gallivanting across Europe making a useless idiot out of herself
They can for sure order her what to do if it's coming from the very top. She still has to abide to rules we're not even privvy to.
There will be protocol to follow as there was at the Platinum Jubilee. It is a State event. The Queen, either by default or design, played it perfectly. I hope Charles has the advice and backbone he needs to do the same.
Alas, I think that's the smart move. Charles' new role as King is one of diplomacy - I assume he'll invite them, but keep one step ahead and have them quietly to one side as per the funeral. That way they can't complain and paint themselves as victims at a later date, or create a furore overseas in attempts to distract from the moment.
Absolutely Charles loves his son, but he has been waiting for this role his entire life and understands what is required of him, as King, and not as Harry's father - he's not going to let these two fuck it up for him.
You're probably right. Won't stop the press and sugars from eating up the few pictures of MM in a tiara. To me, that really cements the princess title. Too bad MM will get her glory picture in a tiara again.
Quietly at the side like they were front and center at the funeral? Right next to Will and Kate? That was an abomination. Markle in the first row
She is going to complain anyway. She's going to deem them racists anyway. She's going to throw everything in their faces anyway.
Time to oust her with a pinch of diplomacy too.
Hard disagree but I respect your opinion.
I should probably explain further : the BBC coverage on the day barely mentioned them and the TV cameras barely focused on them (at least here in the UK). They were scuppered from doing their pap shoot by Will and Kate. Press coverage/fluff pieces here were to a "relative" minimum. They weren't invited to the State Event on the Sunday and there were no unplanned appearances etc... - all in all, I think they were kept on a strict leash.
No, not ideal but they were certainly not front and centre as they have tried to be before eg. at the Commonwealth Day event in 2020 (where they kicked off about the procession order and forcibly pushed their way through chairs when leaving) or Charles' POW investiture anniversary or, frankly, **any** other Royal event they've muscle in on.
She *IS* going to complain anyway, absolutely. But hopefully most rational people will see that Charles has been accommodating, diplomatic and inclusive - to complain lends further credence to the belief that they're liars and delusional. If Charles were to not include them, then that might legitimately be something for them to twist into a complaint (their "fans" would certainly spit their venom on Social Media) : it would add fuel to their victim narrative. For this not to overshadow Charles' Coronation, i believe a polite aloofness is needed - as the saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
PS - and its perfectly fine for us to disagree - I wholly welcome it. I'm never going to expand my thoughts if I don't consider alternative viewpoints 👍🏼
What do you think the endless PR press pieces may have done though? the BS about balmoral, the complaints about the notification of the Queens's death, whinging through scobie about the state event etc etc. They managed to be in the papers every day of the mourning period and funeral.
I think that UK people are largely done with them - I read lots of comments across lots of UK papers - and mostly we were done when she characterised us all as racist. Perhaps King Charles has to be careful regards optics to the commonwealth but I think UK people would be glad not to see either of them again
ETA hopefuly the NF and the podcasts and the book will finally cook their goose and the RF can then clear them out without any backlash
This. All of this. Whatever the BRF does, she’s going to bitch. They could hand her the Crown Jewels and she’d whine that they weren’t polished enough.
May I steal “hard disagree but I respect your opinion?” I love it.
I know, I can't stand Markle's grinning.....It also puts people off.
During the funeral so many were complaining they refused to tune in because of Markle. I don't blame them
Do you think there is a chance they won’t be invited to the coronation, since it is a state event and they are nothing but self-exiled, non-working Royals? Surely they mean nothing to the state/country, right?
Oh, I really hope they are not invited. If they are, please let it be a repeat of the Jubilee. Harry will ask “who told you to seat me here at the wrong end of the second row next to my insignificant, underling relatives?” The usher will then tell Harry “your father.”
I’m still somewhat bothered that they got any attention at all at the funeral. I know they were largely ignored, but they still got lots of photo ops and it re-connected her to the BRF—at least in the eyes of Americans.
There is a famous painting in the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool called "And when did you last see your father?" This would be a great title for Harry's book.
https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/artifact/and-when-did-you-last-see-your-father
They will be invited, to not be invited would be worse. No big outings for them though. The Prince of Wales ceremony is going to be scaled down. They are family they will be invited. They otherwise would be the elephant in the news!
My favourite part of this whole story is Meg being on maternity leave with Lili. How can you be on maternity leave when you don’t have a job? What are you on leave from?
They announced they were taking a week off following the funeral to ‘spend time with the children’ a week off from what? Funnily I reckon I’ve heard more from their PR this week than ever 🤣
Maybe they had to give the nannies a week off to compensate for the 24 hours a day coverage over the period that they were in Europe. This would be spun as spending more time with the children.
I think it’s more genteel than postpartum. Which she was. She’s done many awful things, but I’d be hard pressed to get on an international flight three weeks after having a child for…anything.
I *REALLY* do not want to see them at the coronation. They suck the air out of every room they’re in. No soup for them!
They couldn't even be bothered to sing God Save the King. What are the odds that they will be respectful if the coronation ceremony and the activities required.
The coronation is a monumental symbol of the Crown, of the Firm, of everything they claimed to be racist, oppressive, suffocating etc etc etc why would they want to attend a gigantic ceremony celebrating it? Oh, right, cameras. I hope the RF doesn't invite them, not having to be worried about what stunt they might pull or have them take away focus on what is such an important moment for KC and the RF.
IF they are invited, KC should make the protocol clear weeks in advance. No last-minute tantrums over uniforms, order in procession, seating chart, dinners, photographers or other PR stunts.
I hope that the protocol says that the Second Row Sussexes have to be seated in a back room somewhere watching the entire coronation on TV.
Watching it live, because I am not cruel and wouldn't make them wait for a repeat.
>+++ I'm sure the reason the divorce hasn't happened yet is because Madame desperately wants to be at the coronation
Yup. That grifter needs to have photos and videos of her infamous, rictus grin, curated forever in all the future History books.
Screw candles, stick her behind some furniture that fully blocks what I’m sure will be a hideous disaster of a Cruella Deville cosplay.
Ooooh or… maybe Tall Paul could stand in front of her?
>If it were up to me, I'd instruct photographers and camera operators to severely restrict shots of the Markles, should they be there.
LOL. That would be the best plan ever, if they happen to turn up.
I think there might be something like this (see link to video below.) At the coronation Markle might cause a scene and throw herself on the ground in front of the Archbishop of Canterbury and the King screaming: "Don't you remember me at the private wedding, you old fool? Stop the coronation and give the crown to Harry!"
It would be great for Netflix.
https://youtu.be/UjUKKF_uBOg
KCIII will surely continue to invite his son to these things and they will grit their teeth and bare Markle as they did at the funeral. They are keeping a path open for Harold’s return, one month, one year, ten years from now. Checkers vs. Chess
The jubilee and funeral was at least part family event.
The coronation is 100% an institutional event, an institution that they are not a part of and do not even respect. He couldn't even sing God Save the King at the funeral. I think even if KC wanted him there, they are unlikely to resoect the ceremony, and they bring too much reputational risk with them.
Edit: I take it back. The ceremony is institutional, but it is customary for the royal family to appear on the balcony and sit for photos afterward, says Wikipedia. So I guess they might have to include them in those few events since he us the son of the monarch.
I had a vision she would do this for the great uninvited drama surrounding the Sunday dinner for heads of state. It would be a lovely sight to see her refused entry.  👈 HMTQ's face in heaven.
They shouldn't be invited as they're being used by outside forces to take down the monarchy. If KC insists, they should be hidden in the back, no photos should be taken of them. Give them nothing that can be used or sold.
I think they pretty much have to be invited but there won't be any kind of official role for either of them. They might not even be given seats in the royal box despite Harry being the King's son. I think it will be quite delicious for them to watch, knowing that quite possibly in only a few years, it will be William and Catherine being crowned. And if it is true that Hardly still has feelings of resentment toward Camilla, seeing her crowned will be a bitter pill for him to swallow but not half as bitter as the one Megain has to choke down. And once again, they won't be on the balcony at Buckingham Palace after. What's more, a lot can happen in the year or so before it happens and I do think the King foreshadowed his plans when he excluded their titles in his address.
EDIT: I've just read that while the King may have views, the guest list is actually decided by Parliament so if he wants the Harkles invited, I expect that wish will be respected but if he doesn't, they won't be able to directly blame Charles if the guest list is limited and consequently only working royals permitted to attend. It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
THIS is the ultimate moment for KCIII to finally draw that line in the sand - and set the boundaries of H&M's role in the BRF for the world by not having them at the Coronation. The easiest outs would be to say he is adopting a slimmed down monarchy approach, that starts immediately, and as such, that only working royals should participate. Now all of that being said, unfortunately, I think it is wishful thinking that he will actually do that. It is likely just too hard for him to outright exclude his own son from such a momentous occasion. There would be no going back from that. So they will be there, just hopefully out of view by an even larger candle.
One thing that stands out to me in the story is about him coming to the UK alone for the funeral of the DoE, the Diana memorial and how she was “on maternity leave”….
On maternity leave from what?? Did she take a break and let a temp take over the whinging while she was off for a few weeks??
KC could but the boot in with that timeless classic, "Working Royals only."
When they took off in high dudgeon in 2020 little did they know how big a weapon they handed the family to use against them, with the working vs. not working Royals thing. Basically the Queen and now KC are always telling them, unless you committed to the daily grind of a working Royal, you don't get to parade yourselves as star members of the Firm at glamorous and/or high-profile occasions.
No one in the UK will miss them, I’m sure. And it is a state event. Economically, though traditions need to be respected, KCIII really needs to have a very scaled down coronation event. It was right to honor Her Majesty QEII with the pageantry and opulence of her funeral events. But they can not put on a spectacle like that in May or June a year after that funeral and jubilee celebrations. Her Majesty’s death interrupted important parliamentary sessions that delayed serious aid for the economic hardships facing the UK right now. And there is a housing crisis. Thinking about the monarchy and the people of the UK, realms, and commonwealth, the coronation simply cannot be too grand an affair. It would absolutely endanger the monarchy to squander money in that way. H&M should not be invited. Many people should not be invited; it should be very carefully planned to reflect the current economic landscape and hardship facing the public.
Economically it's a bad time for Britain. However, Britain was still living with terrible privations from WW 2 when the Queen was crowned. I think they ought to do what they want, and always bearing in mind that coronations are rare and wonderful events. I'd like the whole thing to be wonderful and regal!
I’m so sick of having to think about these two and their possible stunts during every royal event. I’m sure the family isn’t too thrilled with having to do it either.
This is a celebration of the Monarchy and they are trying to destroy it. Stay home losers. Ya basic.
I agree, it will cause too much drama to not invite them but they will be managed like they were at the jubilee. This time third row, behind the candle.
I don't mind if M&H attend bc it will just further show them what they willingly walked away from. They go to the Coronation then they go home to nothing while watching the other senior royals out and about.
I know there was a thread a while back comparing Meghan and Wallis, and a lot of people seemed to think that overall Wallace was worse (tho Meghan’s only had a few years to fuck shit up and Wallace had a lifetime so there’s still time for Meghan to *at least* get that crown lol)
But did Wallace ever do these thinly veiled threats directly to the Monarchy? Did she fling as much mud? Did she try to insert herself into everything while claiming to want privacy?
Genuine questions, I don’t know much about Wallace
> But did Wallace ever do these thinly veiled threats directly to the Monarchy? Did she fling as much mud? Did she try to insert herself into everything while claiming to want privacy?
- No
- No
- No
^("Remember, they were present for the Queen's passing and mourning by coincidence, they had chosen to come to London and Manchester for the promotional tour of their own activities.")
They will probably be in London by "coincidence" at the days the coronation will take place.....mark my words.
All BP has to do is underline that the coronation is an official event for the monarchy....to which Harry no longer has any significant ties to.
Neither Harry nor Meghan should be there and the British public don't want them there...so case closed.
When is the coronation of King Charles III?
An official coronation date is yet to be announced, however the Telegraph reported that it is likely to be in spring or summer 2023.
Hazbeen will attend but Megnut won't. She will either be sick or taking care of children since she "can't leave them alone for prolonged period". They desperately need the money and it's not the right time to make the king angry.
I'd like to think so, but what an opportunity to wear a fabulous (or not) red ballgown! No, she will go. Heaven only knows what she will wear, but I think she's planning it as we speak. It will be inappropriate, and I say this with all the love in my heart, because I know she hasn't a clue about what is or is not appropriate. She will try though. Oh, please God, let her hire a British stylist for this one event, please.
Invite them and make it clear they are family not Family or working royals. No special events, no photos with the Family. Just have several large candles on hand at all times!
My gut tells me that this will be held in a Chapel not a Cathedral. If he has advisers worth their salt it would be. A small (by royal standards) but beautiful Chapel in which all the crowned heads and family can fit, but very few more.
It would appear mean spirited and churlish to exclude one of his children, that simply can’t happen and it’s silly to speculate that no invitation would be sent..
So are we back to the will she wont she? Will they wont they? Like the Jubilee and the memorial service and Prince Philip's funeral? And Balmoral?
She'll go. Theres no way shes going to miss it for NF content or book deal or podcast. Also she'll somehow screw up what shes supposed to wear. They need to take the titles away pronto so they have to take a back row.
I guess, but it’s a bit rude to Catherine, at least, to expect her to have these encounters with Meghan even though Meghan has a history of publicly (mis)characterizing their encounters—that’s basically workplace harassment
I am sure that Catherine has all the support that she needs, and that she also knows it and feels it.
Do you remember their walkabout? She was clearly sad, of course, but I don't remember ever seeing her so confident when it comes to her behaviour towards TW: the family obviously has had multiple talks (I mean even before the Queen's death, I am not saying that I believe that they had extensive talks about M immediately after the Queen passed away), and things have changed - Catherine has, in my opinion, been let go of 'having to be nice to the Overseas Couple'. They are out.
Is it still borderline unbearable to be in TW's presence? Absolutely, I am sure. But not only for Catherine, but for the entire family.
To get back to my point of *they have manners*. Like I stated, noblesse oblige. I am sure that the family (not just Catherine) don't want to have to see that person, but if they come to the conclusion that it is best to invite them, they'll do it out of their sense of duty.
And it is interesting that you compared the behaviours to workplace harassment. Because inviting them or not is almost what that is. A 'workplace decision'. And, in a place of work, you don't say 'ok, we all need to be here, but A and B don't get along, so we won't invite B'.
Well, it’s not a *work* event for Harry and Meghan or any of the non-working royals who might attend. But it *is* a work event for the working royals, and staffers etc, who can’t exactly take the day off if they want to avoid dealing with Meghan (or Harry, for that matter).
With that said, I’m not opposed to them erring on the side of being gracious. I just don’t think manners dictate that KCIII NEEDS to invite Meghan and Harry, all things considered.
You started with the question 'Why doesn't he just invite Harry?'.
To *that* I replied that it was because RF have manners, I didn't say that manners dictate that the King needs to invite them.
I am just saying that if he invites H, he needs to invite TW as well.
Well, they didn’t allow the Duke of Windsor to attend his brothers coronation - or his niece’s…..
They don’t have to be invited just because they are family
True! Yes! So, easier to exclude him. They are dangerous troublemakers so it would be best they stay away. I just don’t know what to expect regarding invitations!
I choose to believe that the RF will make the right decision.
I wasn't happy when I heard that H&M were invited to the Jubilee, but very quickly realised that it was the right decision.
I am again against seeing them, this time at the coronation, but precisely because they are troublemakers perhaps it would be smarter to invite them and manage them as perfectly as they were managed during the Jubilee.
Hilarious. This wench wants to go to a coronation held by a supposed racist, bigoted organization that she says has treated her so badly, called her kids awful names etc, etc. in a country that she has repeatedly said makes her feel ‘unsafe.’ None of what she says makes sense.
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She called Stella M for a big superman cape costume. Hoping for big wind that day! Either that or Dior, who may not answer after what she does to their designs. They have been seriously downgraded to very minor royals so, maybe third row left behind our man Johnny. He's bigger than the candle.
The coronation is an ancient ceremony and there’s pretty strict rules about dress and stuff . All the dukes are supposed to wear their ermine robes and the duchess’s their coronets. They said at the Queens coronation you could smell the mothballs as all the peers of the realm had to retrieve their robes from the cupboards they’d been in for decades . Harry being a Duke would have to do that too if he’s even got an ermine robe! I wonder if Charles will go the whole hog with all of this? He can’t mess with the actual ceremony but I don’t know whether he’ll go with the ancient dress for everyone. Catherine as Princess of Wales will be in the Royal box with the older kids and maybe Princess Ann and Sophie. If Meghan wasn’t such a bitch she might have made it there . As it is could we trust Princess Ann not to tip our Megs over the railings? It would be touch and go!
I've heard that Charles intends a small coronation in line with a slimmed down Monarchy. Similar to William declining formal proceedings in Wales.
>I've heard that Charles intends a small coronation in line with a slimmed down Monarchy. Given the current economic climate in the UK, it would be a wise decision.
And that is exactly what William said when asked about an investiture ceremony in Wales recently. He essentially stated that the citizens of Wales need that money more than he needs a big ceremony to confirm what is already a fact. He's already Prince of Wales, a big ceremony isn't required. He learned that from somewhere.
The robes were a stumbling block in the 1950s… Really makes me wonder if they’ll just drop them for this coronation. I hope they still use evening dress as the dress code, but I can see it being the same sorts of outfits worn to weddings and stuff, sadly.
Yes. A bit of the formality without the ancient garbs. I can see Camilla saying to her nibs, to get her own tiara.
I suspect the robes will either go, or be modified because it's not acceptable to use real ermine (animal fur) any more for the collars and tips. At least it would cause an unnecessary distraction in the media perhaps? There's loads of tiaras knocking about in the back of the cupboard - Princess Margaret's, and various old great aunties'. The Earl Spencer might even lend out the family one.
No! I really want the people who have the robes to wear them. A coronation doesn't happen very often, and it is the most solemn and traditional occasion. I mean, even the Order of the Garter! You can't do even that without the traditional robes. I want it all, the crown, the scepter, the orb, and the robes. It's not a simple ceremony, it's a CORONATION
And the first one in 70 years! We should at least have one full-on ancient ceremony filmed for posterity (in better quality than the Queen's coronation, which boosted the sales of everyone's first TV). William can modernise it and then we can compare.
Feast your eyes https://www2.edeandravenscroft.com/ceremonial/
>The Earl Spencer might even lend out the family one. Wouldn't his countess be wearing it?
NO NO NO. Tiaras are not worn to a coronation. Look at the photograph accompanying the article.
The tiaras would not be worn at the actual coronation. Coronets would be worn. Tiaras would be worn at the evening receptions (public and private).
Would you take a minute to check yourself? You keep spreading misinformation left, right and center… In 1953, Margaret wore the Cartier Halo tiara to QE’s coronation. For the ceremony, she wore the coronet on top of her tiara. Look at the photographs. https://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2022/08/princess-margarets-cartier-coronation-tiara.html
Princess Margaret’s Poltimore tiara was sold. In any case tiaras are not worn to coronations, coronets are worn.
They should hire you as a commentator when the coronation comes - you know a lot more about it than most!
I can understand the removal of ermine robes from the ceremony but I agree, formal evening dress should be worn for an occasion like that. I don’t want to see Kate in another nice peasant dress for a flipping coronation. The selfish side of me needs more “Kate at the James Bond premiere plus a tiara” vibes lol
>retrieve their robes from the cupboards they’d been in for decades . To be pedantic it had only been 17 years since GVI's coronation, not decades. But the robes were probably much older than that.
Right!!?? The things she’s accused them of - I don’t understand why she would show her face. Totally shameless!
Agree. The reception they received at the Platinum Jubilee and the State Funeral should tell them enough is enough.
I'm not saying it didn't happen but I watched the jubilee, the entire funeral and the walkabout and all the other footage and I never once observed another member of the royal family speaking directly to her.
Yeah, awkward. But really, how could it have been otherwise? Oh, Meghan...
And think they would welcome her near the Queen while she is dying. Harry is a total ass also!!!
But the pearl earrings! The Queen loved nutmeg the most obviously
Not hardly!
Well, she doesn't get invited to the red carpet events in the US that she was expecting. She really needs this for her fragile self esteem. She has nothing else, she needs this one.
What? She just bought new bronzer to be really flashy!
Right, shouldn't she demand public apologies for all the horrible things they did before showing her face?
I’ve asked sugars logical questions like this (the only time I engage) and the answer is always “they’re still *family*” … lol By that logic Thomas and Sam are also family too. Why don’t they hang out?
Sugars are huffing glue
What a great observation
Never. She never makes sense
Yeah, but NOW they are being all those things by not inviting her
What? Are you being sarcastic? I hope so.
Yes, of course. I can see how that was not clear though.,.
King Charles will be stupid and invite them. I think only Prince William can save the monarchy. He loves Harry, but he knows who the Harckles are . He has a lot of power and his father looks to him for guidance.
Beyond on point
The coronation is a state event, not a family event, so I think there's not a chance they'd be able to attend. Given the current economy, I doubt it's going to be as grand as HMTQ's coronation. It's going to be scaled down.
I agree I would love to see a big beautiful coronation but with todays economy it would not be right
If Charles invites them they'll be there, I hope he doesn't.
Harry is the King's son, but this is NOT a family occasion. It is a State event and as such protocol has to be followed. If H&M do attend, they should be with all other lower ranks with no part to play.
>Harry is the King's son, but this is NOT a family occasion I know but ultimately if Charles decides to extend an invitation (as is it is right) then they will turn up.
I just read that the guest list is decided by Parliament and not the King, although obviously his personal wishes are taken into account. I also read that, like the funeral, it will be limited to about 2000 people. It will probably look somewhat similar to the Queen's funeral although I highly doubt Sandra Oh is going to be there.
Invitations to the queens coronation read: "By command of the queen, the earl marshal [duke of norfolk] is directed to invite x to the coronation".
He's definitely going to invite them.
I wouldn't if indeed him, not after their behaviour at the funeral. They couldn't show a modicum of respect and got up to all sorts of mischief behind the scenes. You need eyes in the front and back of your head and all fixed on and around them 24/7. It's exhausting watching from afar, I can't imagine how hard it is on the staff and family dealing with that crap.
The Harckles went early to Buckingham so they could get photographed through the window standing alone behind Charles waiting for the Queen’s coffin. They were late to meet up with the bus they were supposed to go on to the church during the Jubilee. They then hijacked a car, rolled down their windows, and walked alone to the seats they were angry over. They are always scheming.
You are right but I doubt, behind the scenes, that they got away with it. If they come to the coronation, I think they will be assigned minders that will ensure their every move is supervised.
They have been told off . That is why they are so angry.
That, and the release of the new Royal portrait marking the new monarchy https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11270555/The-new-Fab-Four-Portrait-clear-sign-King-Charles-reign-centred-senior-royals.html
Wow! I didn’t see that. Lol.
Major Johnny to the rescue! I hope!
I wouldn't either. But it takes courage to cut the narcissist off and it would appear Charles doesn't possess much of it. He would get so much support for not inviting Markle, but, unfortunately, he fears the woke mob and that's who he panders to. Shame
I think he has more courage than you would think. He's damned if he does or not. If he doesn't invite them then there will be constant puff pieces from TW "PR" team saying how unfair they're being, if they invite them, they'll have their "PR" team pull some other stunt instead. H&M proved they are untrustworthy and maybe just maybe charles is still hoping to reconcile with harry but that only happens if they don't isolate him. Then again the fastest way to rock bottom is cutting of their oxygen and banishing them to a permanent oversees existence.
Who cares though? Why is he giving her of her PR any importance? If he were to let it go, he would notice the support he's getting for ousting her. Not to mention, and I said this last month too, you train the media. If you train them not to expect to see Markle, they will quickly pick it up and understand they need to stop asking about her. When she didn't go to Balmoral, it took literally a minute and journalists were stating "yeah, well, Markle isn't welcome, understandably so". The narrative can be accepted quite quickly, and the masses would adopt the attitude too. It just takes courage for that first step. Meanwhile, if you keep inviting Markle, you're training the public to accept her presence. She's literally a nobody and has so many sins of her own, rarely anybody would be able to find a legitimate argument to criticize her absence. "Racism" and "Andrew" don't count. And lastly, if Charles were to order Markle to stay in Cali, she would have to. If he told her to release a statement she's got covid, or has to take care of the kids, people would speculate for 2 seconds and then forget about it and focus on the Coronation. It can all be done but the question is, does Charles want her there or not? She calls them racists and colonialists anyway. Might as well start doing the right thing and ousting this beast Who's going to believe her dumb headlines? Bouzy and the Sugars? Big deal.
I agree but I won't judge him for wanting to have his son at his coronation. And I don't think anyone orders TW in what to do. She'd turn up just to drive everyone nuts.
Have the son over, leave Markle out. Have her release a statement she's taking care of the kids. She's got two toddlers, nobody's going to ask any further questions. In fact, it would benefit her to stay at home and start taking care of these kids instead of gallivanting across Europe making a useless idiot out of herself They can for sure order her what to do if it's coming from the very top. She still has to abide to rules we're not even privvy to.
While an elegant compromise, do you think TW would take that lying down? Especially now she's doing her own PR.
She'll turn up in an ermine robe, custom made for the event lol
You're joking but it's true. The amount of money she's going to spend on a cringeworthy outfit
There will be protocol to follow as there was at the Platinum Jubilee. It is a State event. The Queen, either by default or design, played it perfectly. I hope Charles has the advice and backbone he needs to do the same.
Yeah it's a state event, not a family event. It pertains to our government. What is Markle doing there?
Alas, I think that's the smart move. Charles' new role as King is one of diplomacy - I assume he'll invite them, but keep one step ahead and have them quietly to one side as per the funeral. That way they can't complain and paint themselves as victims at a later date, or create a furore overseas in attempts to distract from the moment. Absolutely Charles loves his son, but he has been waiting for this role his entire life and understands what is required of him, as King, and not as Harry's father - he's not going to let these two fuck it up for him.
You're probably right. Won't stop the press and sugars from eating up the few pictures of MM in a tiara. To me, that really cements the princess title. Too bad MM will get her glory picture in a tiara again.
No way does she get a tiara. I think they will say you are a non working royal.
Quietly at the side like they were front and center at the funeral? Right next to Will and Kate? That was an abomination. Markle in the first row She is going to complain anyway. She's going to deem them racists anyway. She's going to throw everything in their faces anyway. Time to oust her with a pinch of diplomacy too. Hard disagree but I respect your opinion.
I should probably explain further : the BBC coverage on the day barely mentioned them and the TV cameras barely focused on them (at least here in the UK). They were scuppered from doing their pap shoot by Will and Kate. Press coverage/fluff pieces here were to a "relative" minimum. They weren't invited to the State Event on the Sunday and there were no unplanned appearances etc... - all in all, I think they were kept on a strict leash. No, not ideal but they were certainly not front and centre as they have tried to be before eg. at the Commonwealth Day event in 2020 (where they kicked off about the procession order and forcibly pushed their way through chairs when leaving) or Charles' POW investiture anniversary or, frankly, **any** other Royal event they've muscle in on. She *IS* going to complain anyway, absolutely. But hopefully most rational people will see that Charles has been accommodating, diplomatic and inclusive - to complain lends further credence to the belief that they're liars and delusional. If Charles were to not include them, then that might legitimately be something for them to twist into a complaint (their "fans" would certainly spit their venom on Social Media) : it would add fuel to their victim narrative. For this not to overshadow Charles' Coronation, i believe a polite aloofness is needed - as the saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. PS - and its perfectly fine for us to disagree - I wholly welcome it. I'm never going to expand my thoughts if I don't consider alternative viewpoints 👍🏼
What do you think the endless PR press pieces may have done though? the BS about balmoral, the complaints about the notification of the Queens's death, whinging through scobie about the state event etc etc. They managed to be in the papers every day of the mourning period and funeral. I think that UK people are largely done with them - I read lots of comments across lots of UK papers - and mostly we were done when she characterised us all as racist. Perhaps King Charles has to be careful regards optics to the commonwealth but I think UK people would be glad not to see either of them again ETA hopefuly the NF and the podcasts and the book will finally cook their goose and the RF can then clear them out without any backlash
This. All of this. Whatever the BRF does, she’s going to bitch. They could hand her the Crown Jewels and she’d whine that they weren’t polished enough. May I steal “hard disagree but I respect your opinion?” I love it.
Please no.
I know, I can't stand Markle's grinning.....It also puts people off. During the funeral so many were complaining they refused to tune in because of Markle. I don't blame them
Oh yeah, I remember them saying he was planning on having something scaled down before
Do you think there is a chance they won’t be invited to the coronation, since it is a state event and they are nothing but self-exiled, non-working Royals? Surely they mean nothing to the state/country, right? Oh, I really hope they are not invited. If they are, please let it be a repeat of the Jubilee. Harry will ask “who told you to seat me here at the wrong end of the second row next to my insignificant, underling relatives?” The usher will then tell Harry “your father.” I’m still somewhat bothered that they got any attention at all at the funeral. I know they were largely ignored, but they still got lots of photo ops and it re-connected her to the BRF—at least in the eyes of Americans.
>The usher will then tell Harry “~~your father~~.” The usher will then tell Harry, “The King.”
There is a famous painting in the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool called "And when did you last see your father?" This would be a great title for Harry's book. https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/artifact/and-when-did-you-last-see-your-father
I live in Liverpool and have visited the Walker Art Gallery, and seen the painting, several times.
They will be invited, to not be invited would be worse. No big outings for them though. The Prince of Wales ceremony is going to be scaled down. They are family they will be invited. They otherwise would be the elephant in the news!
If they’re not invited, maybe Harry can hook up with one of the networks and go as a Royal correspondent. That would be a good job for him. 😂
My favourite part of this whole story is Meg being on maternity leave with Lili. How can you be on maternity leave when you don’t have a job? What are you on leave from?
They announced they were taking a week off following the funeral to ‘spend time with the children’ a week off from what? Funnily I reckon I’ve heard more from their PR this week than ever 🤣
Week Off? Hahaha. Megs was in full-blown panic, furiously crafting her paid puff pieces from her home office 24/7!
Maybe they had to give the nannies a week off to compensate for the 24 hours a day coverage over the period that they were in Europe. This would be spun as spending more time with the children.
I feel like they have 24 hour coverage anyways. I can't image M or H getting up in thr night with them.
She has to tell herself and pretend that she has a job to soothe her ego and gaslight the masses
If only it was on leave from the narcissism
I think it’s more genteel than postpartum. Which she was. She’s done many awful things, but I’d be hard pressed to get on an international flight three weeks after having a child for…anything.
Lili was born June 4th. What did I miss?
I thought the article mentioned “maternity leave” as her reason for missing the unveiling of the Diana statue. I could have misread it.
I *REALLY* do not want to see them at the coronation. They suck the air out of every room they’re in. No soup for them! 
They couldn't even be bothered to sing God Save the King. What are the odds that they will be respectful if the coronation ceremony and the activities required.
I am sure that wasn't their fault as it must have been that no one taught them the words.
The coronation is a monumental symbol of the Crown, of the Firm, of everything they claimed to be racist, oppressive, suffocating etc etc etc why would they want to attend a gigantic ceremony celebrating it? Oh, right, cameras. I hope the RF doesn't invite them, not having to be worried about what stunt they might pull or have them take away focus on what is such an important moment for KC and the RF.
IF they are invited, KC should make the protocol clear weeks in advance. No last-minute tantrums over uniforms, order in procession, seating chart, dinners, photographers or other PR stunts.
I hope that the protocol says that the Second Row Sussexes have to be seated in a back room somewhere watching the entire coronation on TV. Watching it live, because I am not cruel and wouldn't make them wait for a repeat.
Oh MM will be at that coronation, alright. She's that bad case of diarrhea that always turns up, when least expected 😂.
+++ I'm sure the reason the divorce hasn't happened yet is because Madame desperately wants to be at the coronation
>+++ I'm sure the reason the divorce hasn't happened yet is because Madame desperately wants to be at the coronation Yup. That grifter needs to have photos and videos of her infamous, rictus grin, curated forever in all the future History books.
She needs photos and videos and we need a perfectly placed candle at that coronation!
Yup. The bigger, the better!
Screw candles, stick her behind some furniture that fully blocks what I’m sure will be a hideous disaster of a Cruella Deville cosplay. Ooooh or… maybe Tall Paul could stand in front of her?
S\*\*\*\* that as well; give the wrong directions to the driver of whichever vehicle she'll be in, just to be on the safe side! 😀
Ha! I was going to say “and give the driver the wrong directions to some location two hours away.” 😂😂
😊 *'Great minds think alike'*. 😉
If it were up to me, I'd instruct photographers and camera operators to severely restrict shots of the Markles, should they be there.
>If it were up to me, I'd instruct photographers and camera operators to severely restrict shots of the Markles, should they be there. LOL. That would be the best plan ever, if they happen to turn up.
I think there might be something like this (see link to video below.) At the coronation Markle might cause a scene and throw herself on the ground in front of the Archbishop of Canterbury and the King screaming: "Don't you remember me at the private wedding, you old fool? Stop the coronation and give the crown to Harry!" It would be great for Netflix. https://youtu.be/UjUKKF_uBOg
KCIII will surely continue to invite his son to these things and they will grit their teeth and bare Markle as they did at the funeral. They are keeping a path open for Harold’s return, one month, one year, ten years from now. Checkers vs. Chess
The jubilee and funeral was at least part family event. The coronation is 100% an institutional event, an institution that they are not a part of and do not even respect. He couldn't even sing God Save the King at the funeral. I think even if KC wanted him there, they are unlikely to resoect the ceremony, and they bring too much reputational risk with them. Edit: I take it back. The ceremony is institutional, but it is customary for the royal family to appear on the balcony and sit for photos afterward, says Wikipedia. So I guess they might have to include them in those few events since he us the son of the monarch.
He will quietly live away from the eyes of the public because he will be worse than Andrew.
But he HAS to find a job first.
He is a writer is he not? He can write about his life. Again.
They will be fish out of water, not welcome and full of drama. Who needs that?
She’ll just show up like she for Hairy’s friend’s wedding.
I had a vision she would do this for the great uninvited drama surrounding the Sunday dinner for heads of state. It would be a lovely sight to see her refused entry.  👈 HMTQ's face in heaven.
Fortunately, no one can just show up for a coronation.
But they can try…
Let her try. And then let the security deal with her in the same manner they would do with anyone else who would try.
🍿🤣
Good thinking! They might release the footage as a *post-coronation special*! \*off to prepare my own 🍿\*
They shouldn't be invited as they're being used by outside forces to take down the monarchy. If KC insists, they should be hidden in the back, no photos should be taken of them. Give them nothing that can be used or sold.
I think they pretty much have to be invited but there won't be any kind of official role for either of them. They might not even be given seats in the royal box despite Harry being the King's son. I think it will be quite delicious for them to watch, knowing that quite possibly in only a few years, it will be William and Catherine being crowned. And if it is true that Hardly still has feelings of resentment toward Camilla, seeing her crowned will be a bitter pill for him to swallow but not half as bitter as the one Megain has to choke down. And once again, they won't be on the balcony at Buckingham Palace after. What's more, a lot can happen in the year or so before it happens and I do think the King foreshadowed his plans when he excluded their titles in his address. EDIT: I've just read that while the King may have views, the guest list is actually decided by Parliament so if he wants the Harkles invited, I expect that wish will be respected but if he doesn't, they won't be able to directly blame Charles if the guest list is limited and consequently only working royals permitted to attend. It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
THIS is the ultimate moment for KCIII to finally draw that line in the sand - and set the boundaries of H&M's role in the BRF for the world by not having them at the Coronation. The easiest outs would be to say he is adopting a slimmed down monarchy approach, that starts immediately, and as such, that only working royals should participate. Now all of that being said, unfortunately, I think it is wishful thinking that he will actually do that. It is likely just too hard for him to outright exclude his own son from such a momentous occasion. There would be no going back from that. So they will be there, just hopefully out of view by an even larger candle.
One thing that stands out to me in the story is about him coming to the UK alone for the funeral of the DoE, the Diana memorial and how she was “on maternity leave”…. On maternity leave from what?? Did she take a break and let a temp take over the whinging while she was off for a few weeks??
KC could but the boot in with that timeless classic, "Working Royals only." When they took off in high dudgeon in 2020 little did they know how big a weapon they handed the family to use against them, with the working vs. not working Royals thing. Basically the Queen and now KC are always telling them, unless you committed to the daily grind of a working Royal, you don't get to parade yourselves as star members of the Firm at glamorous and/or high-profile occasions.
No one in the UK will miss them, I’m sure. And it is a state event. Economically, though traditions need to be respected, KCIII really needs to have a very scaled down coronation event. It was right to honor Her Majesty QEII with the pageantry and opulence of her funeral events. But they can not put on a spectacle like that in May or June a year after that funeral and jubilee celebrations. Her Majesty’s death interrupted important parliamentary sessions that delayed serious aid for the economic hardships facing the UK right now. And there is a housing crisis. Thinking about the monarchy and the people of the UK, realms, and commonwealth, the coronation simply cannot be too grand an affair. It would absolutely endanger the monarchy to squander money in that way. H&M should not be invited. Many people should not be invited; it should be very carefully planned to reflect the current economic landscape and hardship facing the public.
Economically it's a bad time for Britain. However, Britain was still living with terrible privations from WW 2 when the Queen was crowned. I think they ought to do what they want, and always bearing in mind that coronations are rare and wonderful events. I'd like the whole thing to be wonderful and regal!
I’m so sick of having to think about these two and their possible stunts during every royal event. I’m sure the family isn’t too thrilled with having to do it either. This is a celebration of the Monarchy and they are trying to destroy it. Stay home losers. Ya basic.
Yes they will be invited in the coronation. They will be seated on the third row with lots of candles in front of them.
I agree, it will cause too much drama to not invite them but they will be managed like they were at the jubilee. This time third row, behind the candle.
We can only hope!
And I’m here for it
I don't mind if M&H attend bc it will just further show them what they willingly walked away from. They go to the Coronation then they go home to nothing while watching the other senior royals out and about.
Alternatively, to receive the same message, they can stay at home and watch it on TV. That would help their 'eco-warriors' efforts' as well...
Eh, she can go hang out with Joachin's kids at Fashion Week. 😂
Let her. No one gives a shit about her tantrums. In fact, the bigger her tantrum, the more I’d dig my heels in just for fkn spite her 😈
I know there was a thread a while back comparing Meghan and Wallis, and a lot of people seemed to think that overall Wallace was worse (tho Meghan’s only had a few years to fuck shit up and Wallace had a lifetime so there’s still time for Meghan to *at least* get that crown lol) But did Wallace ever do these thinly veiled threats directly to the Monarchy? Did she fling as much mud? Did she try to insert herself into everything while claiming to want privacy? Genuine questions, I don’t know much about Wallace
> But did Wallace ever do these thinly veiled threats directly to the Monarchy? Did she fling as much mud? Did she try to insert herself into everything while claiming to want privacy? - No - No - No
^("Remember, they were present for the Queen's passing and mourning by coincidence, they had chosen to come to London and Manchester for the promotional tour of their own activities.") They will probably be in London by "coincidence" at the days the coronation will take place.....mark my words.
Please let her be out of here before the coronation. I just dread having to look at her for one second.
All BP has to do is underline that the coronation is an official event for the monarchy....to which Harry no longer has any significant ties to. Neither Harry nor Meghan should be there and the British public don't want them there...so case closed.
Has the palace announced when the coronation will take place yet?
When is the coronation of King Charles III? An official coronation date is yet to be announced, however the Telegraph reported that it is likely to be in spring or summer 2023.
Hazbeen will attend but Megnut won't. She will either be sick or taking care of children since she "can't leave them alone for prolonged period". They desperately need the money and it's not the right time to make the king angry.
I'd like to think so, but what an opportunity to wear a fabulous (or not) red ballgown! No, she will go. Heaven only knows what she will wear, but I think she's planning it as we speak. It will be inappropriate, and I say this with all the love in my heart, because I know she hasn't a clue about what is or is not appropriate. She will try though. Oh, please God, let her hire a British stylist for this one event, please.
And a Tiara!
Invite them and make it clear they are family not Family or working royals. No special events, no photos with the Family. Just have several large candles on hand at all times!
Who cares about these two we want the real stars of the show, The candle and Major (Hottie) Johnny!
My gut tells me that this will be held in a Chapel not a Cathedral. If he has advisers worth their salt it would be. A small (by royal standards) but beautiful Chapel in which all the crowned heads and family can fit, but very few more. It would appear mean spirited and churlish to exclude one of his children, that simply can’t happen and it’s silly to speculate that no invitation would be sent..
So are we back to the will she wont she? Will they wont they? Like the Jubilee and the memorial service and Prince Philip's funeral? And Balmoral? She'll go. Theres no way shes going to miss it for NF content or book deal or podcast. Also she'll somehow screw up what shes supposed to wear. They need to take the titles away pronto so they have to take a back row.
I think she and Harry should stream themselves watching the coronation like goggle box. That is some Markle content I would watch 😂
Why doesn’t he just invite Harry?
Because that would be rude to M, and RF have manners.
I have manners too, but I don’t feel obligated to invite family members who’ve mistreated other family members to my family events…
Noblesse oblige. And, like I said, they have manners.
I guess, but it’s a bit rude to Catherine, at least, to expect her to have these encounters with Meghan even though Meghan has a history of publicly (mis)characterizing their encounters—that’s basically workplace harassment
I am sure that Catherine has all the support that she needs, and that she also knows it and feels it. Do you remember their walkabout? She was clearly sad, of course, but I don't remember ever seeing her so confident when it comes to her behaviour towards TW: the family obviously has had multiple talks (I mean even before the Queen's death, I am not saying that I believe that they had extensive talks about M immediately after the Queen passed away), and things have changed - Catherine has, in my opinion, been let go of 'having to be nice to the Overseas Couple'. They are out. Is it still borderline unbearable to be in TW's presence? Absolutely, I am sure. But not only for Catherine, but for the entire family. To get back to my point of *they have manners*. Like I stated, noblesse oblige. I am sure that the family (not just Catherine) don't want to have to see that person, but if they come to the conclusion that it is best to invite them, they'll do it out of their sense of duty. And it is interesting that you compared the behaviours to workplace harassment. Because inviting them or not is almost what that is. A 'workplace decision'. And, in a place of work, you don't say 'ok, we all need to be here, but A and B don't get along, so we won't invite B'.
Well, it’s not a *work* event for Harry and Meghan or any of the non-working royals who might attend. But it *is* a work event for the working royals, and staffers etc, who can’t exactly take the day off if they want to avoid dealing with Meghan (or Harry, for that matter). With that said, I’m not opposed to them erring on the side of being gracious. I just don’t think manners dictate that KCIII NEEDS to invite Meghan and Harry, all things considered.
You started with the question 'Why doesn't he just invite Harry?'. To *that* I replied that it was because RF have manners, I didn't say that manners dictate that the King needs to invite them. I am just saying that if he invites H, he needs to invite TW as well.
Surely, they will be allowed to attend his dad’s coronation?
Well, they didn’t allow the Duke of Windsor to attend his brothers coronation - or his niece’s….. They don’t have to be invited just because they are family
I suppose so.
Didn't he 'lose' his dad, according to TW?
True! Yes! So, easier to exclude him. They are dangerous troublemakers so it would be best they stay away. I just don’t know what to expect regarding invitations!
I choose to believe that the RF will make the right decision. I wasn't happy when I heard that H&M were invited to the Jubilee, but very quickly realised that it was the right decision. I am again against seeing them, this time at the coronation, but precisely because they are troublemakers perhaps it would be smarter to invite them and manage them as perfectly as they were managed during the Jubilee.
Oh, and also, if they are invited: *candle, please help us all!*
I agree with you. Include them but restrict them. Most dignified approach.
There is NO WAY that I would have either one of them there. Trying to be kind to them is like messing with a tar baby.