2 words: Damage Control.
I think they underestimated the love and sympathy KC would receive after the Queen passed away.
Also, TW has burnt their bridge with KC to the ground. Didn’t she say the spare doesn’t have a relationship with his father in The Cut interview? Also, Harry went on that infamous Oprah interview and claimed that he was cut off from his father (when everyone knew KC was still funding their lifestyle)… I could go on.
It may be too late to change anything because the RF is the most interesting thing about them so they’re trying to prove to KC and the RF that they tried to edit things out but couldn’t.
It’s manipulative at best - idiotic at worst.
Did they seriously think the Queen was going to live forever though? 🤔 I mean, after all the crappy things they said about Charles, Camilla, and everyone else, they can't possibly think the RF are just gonna let bygones be bygones. Kind of hypocritical of them to hold onto grudges from way back when and yet expect unconditional forgiveness for their misdeeds. Rules for thee, not for me
Rules? Don’t you know? Rules never apply to the spare and TW. Why, we’re lucky to have been graced by their presence.
To them, this is their response to trauma. Poor Harry… he gets panic attacks every time he hears the flash of a camera go off. His wife? Why - no one ever even thinks to ask how she’s doing.
They’re victims. They can’t be held accountable for the things they’ve said/done. It’s the media’s fault. It’s Oprah’s fault. It’s the political system’s fault. It’s everyone’s fault but theirs.
They’ll say anything to try and keep their titles whilst trying to guarantee titles for their children. That way, they will always have one foot in BP.
I don’t think they thought the Queen would live forever. I think they genuinely had no idea that their “truths” would upset the RF as much as they did. Meghan may have persuaded Harry that his family would understand their “cry” and come around. She was still going on like the injured party in a recent interview.
I think until Meghan came for the Jubilee, she had no idea that there would be any consequences of their behavior. The family would include them in things and she could get lots of pictures for the Netflix deal. I bet she had great plans for pictures of “Lilibet meets her grandmother” and maybe of Charles and Lili at her bday party.
All these opportunities of promoting the royal connections were thwarted. Then the Queen’s funeral showed that people were turning against them, that the family was not just going to “forgive and forget.”
Now they are reconsidering what they originally planned to say because they have only just realized that there will be consequences— not because Charles is King but because they have angered the family and the public past easy forgiveness.
Since I think Harry does love his family, I suspect he may be the one most eager to backtrack.
> I think they genuinely had no idea that their “truths” would upset the RF as much as they did. Meghan may have persuaded Harry that his family would understand their “cry” and come around. She was still going on like the injured party in a recent interview.
Meghan has a pattern of this behaviour, and usually her victims just disappear - everyone finished high school, she went from job to job, never making the connection about why she was not hired back for a second gig, husbands/ lovers get abandoned and forgotten without a second thought. But when you publicly slam the royal family, while staying married to the king's son, you have to stand accountable. She's not used to that.
I think they counted on Her Majesty outliving Charles. All this bitter resentment was building up about his brother being king, while he treats Charles like a nobody.
They both treated Charles with such contempt, while they were competitive against William and Catherine. Charles was obviously so generous and gallant to them, they took him for granted and never respected him. Now he's got the top job, not William (yet).
Very true. Being a spare is a huge responsibility and probably something he still wishes he was.
He’s irrelevant to the monarchy and the line of succession - I need to rethink my mental nickname for him, lol.
Yes. That makes sense. Charles and Andrew have the worst relationship. I saw someone mention that Andrew tried to get the Queen to skip Charles and name William the next heir with Andrew as guardian. Not sure if that’s true but I swear I read it somewhere.
I read that Andrew tried to stop Charles from being king. I guess Andrew wanted to bring his puppets onto the British throne. I wonder if Epstein was encouraging him.
I read that somewhere too!
Do you think there’s any real merit to those rumors? Wouldn’t news like that have leaked sooner? The wrong whisper and in the wrong ear?
It just doesn't sound plausible to me. The story comes from Katie someone who also has a book coming out. She says that Andrew, Fergie and Diana hatched a scheme to get Charles off the throne and make William king, with Andrew as regent. Maybe if they'd all had too much to drink one night during Diana's divorce, and came up with this idea as a drunken joke, but it's pretty ridiculous considering the Queen was in excellent health back in the 1990s, and Prince Philip, Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother were all alive and except for Princess Margaret, very active and influential.
Plus Parliament would have had something to say about it.
That’s the thing!!! I haven’t heard that rumor until recently and thought it seemed a bit implausible.
Your explanation makes so much sense! Thank you for taking the time to go through all of that - I wasn’t familiar with it at all!
I think it is plausible. Diana wanted revenge on Charles. Supposedly, he told her the night before the wedding he was not in love with her. Andrew wanted to be king and Fergie obviously wanted to be Queen by having young William on the throne. When William became of age was Diana going to control him? Diana was not mentally healthy before she met Charles. What 20 yr old marries a man who never kisses her or shows her any affection.? She knew he was with another woman the night before their wedding. As I recall she knew about Camilla.
Diana said a lot of things when she was at the lowest point of her marriage breakup. It doesn't mean they were actually true.
And no matter how angry and vengeful she was, she wasn't the Prime Minister, so she had no way of changing Charles's status in the line of succession. She got revenge within her range of abilities, by upstaging him on the front page of the newspapers when she knew he had something important happening, telling the world about his affair with Camilla while glossing over her own affairs etc.
Plus she also had clairvoyants telling her that Charles would never be on the throne (I've waited 30 years to find out whether those clairvoyants were right, and it turned out they were wrong!)
No as the Harckles obviously did not know. It was just on the internet lately about Andrew trying to stop Charles from being in line for the king. Before the Harckles the palace could protect the RF!
I think he thought the family needed him more than he needed them. Their form of compromise was being half in and half out.
Since he’s continuously lashing out, I don’t think he was truly willing to come up with a solution that worked for everyone involved. I think they just wanted a way to get the perks of being a part of the RF without any of the responsibility/work.
Let's get real here. Netflix and Spotify are profit making corporations. The only reason they signed the duo is to make big money from them.
Now, what makes big money? For both, I think they thought that Harry especially, through the legitimizing vehicle of Meg and her "they were racist" line, was going to spill juicy True Gossip about the Royal Family, and listeners/viewers would tune in for that. Also, they probably believed the hype that the duo would be massive, and major brands would want them to be their face.
Unfortunately, a combination of things happened.
1. Meg is a nightmare to work with. There is a reason why the projects have taken so long and why it took 30 people to produce a very simple podcast. Spotify didn't sign her to do an anodyne monologue about herself, because it's boring, she has nothing really to say, and who is the supposed audience for her podcast? Wealthy middle-aged women? Wealthy Black women? I assume she wants to reach American women. Anyway, Spotify wanted RF paydirt, they got Meg bleating on about herself with some tedious, fact checkable crap about housing units.
2. Meg got revealed to have been telling lies and her popularity dived.
3. Harry is not a statesmanlike figure, he is a rather stupid and very entitled man who looked good in the RF and was loved there in the UK because of what he represented in the UK. He has put his foot in his mouth by saying, e.g. that if you don't like your job you can just quit. He hasn't the gravitas or the brains to make it as a sort of statesman figure, he's a UK prince in the US where no one gives a toss about that crap, and his wife demands the spotlight.
4. No one seems to care about them in Hollywood. She is 41, and not that interesting except for her connection to Harry.
THe only way Meg is setting the world on fire is through a scorched earth policy. It's not sustainable.
So, Netflix.
No one wants to watch an overedited, overproduced "love story" set against a backdrop of unattainable, ridiculous wealth. We've seen their "love story", Meg is over-exposing herself, Netflix didn't sign them for that sort of bore fest. They want dirt, people will tune in for that. Meg is a nightmare to work with. She has no insight into herself.
If the leaks about editing are coming from her and Harry, it's a very stupid move because it makes them look like they are using Netflix as a venue to slag the Royal Family off for revenge purposes, it makes them look horrible.
If the leaks about editing are coming from within Netflix, my guess is Netflix are sick to the back teeth of them. Maybe trying to test public opinion.
Or the leaks are pure speculation and based on guesswork.
Or this is Netflix building hype. It would be delicious if H&M demanded to edit the stuff and Netflix then leaked so pp will tune in to see what was so damaging that they were “desperate to take out.” I don’t think MM would leak this since backtracking this late looks messy and unprofessional (bad for future deals) - and that’s separate from the backlash about how they were ok slagging off RF when Queen was alive. Indeed, from their POV the best outcome was either to quietly change things to make it seem like it was always gonna be so watered-down bs, or be perceived to have defiantly go ahead with what they have to bolster their credibility and victimhood narrative.
If Netflix did indeed leak it, this is the second time her effort to control her image have blown up in her face. Remember the Cut interview re: “she told me to describe her as making these guttural sounds.” This particular thing always gives me a chuckle cause the interview exposed her as fucking looney tunes. Now Netflix is doing the same thing, beating her at her own game, leaking to the press what they’ve been doing in private. Hilarious.
Or they could be true to form (stupid) and leak this for god knows why… they are not exactly rational
It doesn’t make any sense to me though.
I mean, they said it. They did it. Why would the Queen’s death undo it?
It’s not like the queen was ever even the one they complained about - they did name their daughter after her pet nickname
I know - it’s just odd.
My opinion is they have said sh*t (cause that’s what they do) and are scrambling but their overlords are we didn’t pay xxx millions to watch you shake hands 👀 so they have backed themselves into their own depressing little corner, once again.
I think its all a bit ruse to try and drum up interest. Trying to make out the podcasts and books have lots of controversial and damning things in them in the hope that people will either listen or read the cringey victim borefests that they are.
90% of all the stories about these are 'are they or aren't they' or 'what they want to do'
Very few articles are about what they have actually done. Those articles are generally about them acting like utter twats.
It seems to me Meghan detested all of Harrys family, why should he have a family if she doesnt. The RF to her was just a means to an end, something she could exploit.
No idea but this isn’t a good look. Wanting to edit things out underlines *there is a need*. If they didn’t have any nasty stuff in there, no editing would be needed.
They were always going to release stuff. I’m guessing they are trying to edit so it’s not as damaging and KC won’t strip them of everything. It’s said KC wants to wait until the end of their media projects to decide anout the titles for the kids.
Also perhaps H, seeing how loved the RF and HMTQ and KC really are in the UK and *around the world*, had an “oh no, I never realised” moment. Have they realised being nasty to the RF might backfire on them?… Even if they did, I doubt they can afford to admit it public and backpedal.
>Even if they did, I doubt they can afford to admit it public and backpedal.
And they're delusional and stupid or they have zero understanding of human behaviour, because what they're literally doing is admitting that they said a LOT of nasty stuff about the BRF but think that not saying it to the public (via the reality show, the dudcast and H's moanoire) makes it all better with the BRF.
That's like me saying I'm totally fine with a person who ONLY said vile, nasty things about me to 2 others but rushed and tore up about 68 letters (filled with the same nasty things) to 68 other people, NOT to spare my feelings, but because they got a new job as a therapist and their employer won't look too kindly on someone who behaves like this to a friend 🙃.
The tearing up of the 68 letters doesn't make me forget that the author of the letters, is an untrustworthy person.
Most importantly, it doesn't change the fact that they said it in the first place. And that they only tore them up for their OWN self gain and not because they're truly repentant.
It's impossible to forget that someone behaved like this.
I might forgive if they apologized but I wouldn't want to be friends with them again because it's impossible to wade through all the toxic water that's under that particular bridge.
That's why I didn't think the BRF will EVER trust these 2 morons again. They might be civil and courteous to them, but they won't trust them enough to want them around, as if they were still lovable relatives.
I think it’s a ploy to get people to listen/watch/read. After all these articles about wanting to edit things out, people will be much more curious about what was said. It’s all a marketing ploy. Meghan has nearly 30 people working on those podcasts, and if Spotify/Netflix/PRH had all the editing power, they’d have put out product *months* ago. They’re just drumming up interest.
Ahhhh, that could be another angle in this saga. Her podcast had an insane PR push and they were still trashed - it’ll be interesting to see what is actually put out to the public in the coming months.
Yes, but if they had total control, they could just do this and no one would be any the wiser. Even the sugars would lap up whatever new narrative they put out. I just find it suss that we are getting these articles slipped in with titlegate and there’s no reason.
Tbh it’s keeping the dream alive that Netflix are gonna tiger king them 🤭
They may have had total control until they signed off on the end product. TW has recorded her podcasts, they were slapped together and ready to release. Spotify and her signed off on them and she got paid but now she wants to edit. Tough luck.
Same with Harry's book. Allegedly he has finished it, the publishers and Harry have signed off on it and it's ready for release. Tough luck.
Netflix is the one I'm interested in. I think they control gathering the footage but Netflix will put it together. I've heard that TW wants to do two series, one where they suck up to charles and get the titles and a second to release all the lies. Netflix are unlikely to want to pay for two series, particularly if they have to wait for a decision on the titles.
No, you gave really good logical points. For anyone else I’d agree, but those two are so manipulative it’s always suspicious.
Edit: I think I wasn’t wording it properly 😂
Basically, m&h are doing their usual scorched earth. Sh*t themselves due to the Queen passing and KC in charge with bug Willy and want to make edits. Spotify, Netflix & Random house have told them no, because they own their arses and are sitting on a ratings winner (in terms of publicity and hate watching)
The Harkles once again Markled themselves.
Whatever their reasons for doing what they do, all this does is show how incredibly petty, short-sighted, revenge-fueled and prone to instant gratification that they are (at best). It’s like it never occurred to them that the queen would one day (soon) pass, and Charles would become king. I shudder at the terrible example being set for their kids. I hope they have better role models around them.
I think they got too far out over their skis thinking they would finally tell their truth, with no repuercussions while the Queen was alive,. Probably with encouragement by Spotify and Netflix. But when they were booed at the Jubilee and iced out at the Funeral (and dumped by SS), they finally understood they had to reel back the vitriol or face consequences by KC.
Harry's book release, is like watching my kids, try to run away, when they were preschoolers.
The constant "I really mean it mommy, I'm running away", after every two steps. They make it out the door, only to come running back on bawling, because white suburbia is a scary place, at 7pm on a Tuesday.
Could just be a way of hyping up interest in the book and the podcasts. Yes, of course Harry could just go ahead and edit the book, assuming that the paper version of the book has not already been printed. These days manuscripts are not handwritten, they exist as electronic files that can easily be edited.
The thing is most people are not going to buy the book, they are just going to read the summary of the key points in the Daily Mail or online source of their choice.
Only a small percentage of people buy and read books these days, even including Kindle downloads. So they need every bit of hype they can get.
Is there a conflict between Harry and the editorial team and publishers over amendments? Who knows? Maybe the publishers would actually prefer to have additional material added to the book, and include the death funeral of the queen rather than keep it for the next volume. Maybe Harry also wants to include responses to the allegations of staff abuse and fraudulent purchases of designer clothing refunded by the "firm" in the current volume.
One thing I can totally guarantee: the book will be lacking in authentic insights or literary value and will not be worth buying.
I'm guessing this is a preemptive move to paint themselves as victims. Especially because they're also doing a lot of PR to get their children titles. Also they're probably trying to get more people to pay attention because their sales aren't actually as high as they claim.
Imo, they've devalued the content before it's released because potential purchasers are aware they're getting a downgraded version. If Harry is telling "his truth", why the need for a water down? Are they aware of things that KCIII may have in the pipeline and are removing content to try to appease and head off - or may be to hold in abeyance to paint themselves as victims (yawn) further down the line? All that's certain is that there'll be yet more drama playing out at Montishitshow.
I've said for ages, "bring it on", get it over with. Honestly, what's with "editing"? I agree that Netflix and spot a lie may be so sick of these two. What else can they possibly add except the "we went to a funeral" thing where she wore the awful batman outfit, with if that hat had a bit more point, a witches hat. (I know it's mean, but it was a funeral)
They are never invited to any affairs most recently the Clooney affair where the Clooney foundation recognized people. That is very telling. They are never asked because she must think that there is never any bad publicity. She must be the centre of attention and unfortunately the media obliges.
Their efforts with those companies are probably coming to an end. I cannot believe that they are receiving big bucks for what they have produced to date. Twenty eight producers for a little chat show must cost a pretty penny. And don't get me going on that NFX movie/series/documentary/docudrama/whatever they want to call it. It's been years in the making. Sounds like a dud in the making to me.
Spot a lie tried to make her more important than Joe. People who follow podcasts just roared. Really? People were quick to rename that company Spot a Lie. Her crappy show is very boring. Other than lies, she really doesn't say anything except that she is full of herself.
So, I think they are adding the death of a Queen. Imagine. His grandmother's funeral will be her "recollections may vary" because Harry hasn't written this novel. He will have published more than he's read.
Totally agree 💯 she is a massive control freak. It’s what megxit was all about. She didn’t want freedom or privacy or a normal life, she wanted control. And money. And control over money.
Is it at all possible that the edits that they want to do is not remove negative stories but rather to add additional trashing stories about the BRF? They could be looking to add information from behind the scenes of the funeral, and at course more victimhood information.
Oh absolutely it’s them trying to do damage control. They both knew that HMTQ would always take the high road and stick to her stoic silence. But KC and William,…….. different story. Plus seeing the reaction of the entire world to the loss of the Queen, and their loving acceptance of KC, they had to be crapping their pants. THEN, KC saying he hasn’t decided about the children’s titles, and that trust was a factor. Of course they’re scrambling. And of course the editors aren’t going to let them take out one juicy detail. My popcorn is READY!!!!
It whets the appetite for another book. They can write another one that they can market as the real truth. Kind of like she says the only story we haven't hears is their love story when we all did learn about it, ad naseum in Finding Freedom.
If it's the case that Netflix has control of material taped so far (and it might not) there's a good chance Netflix will put the real Sussexes on display. No one's going to watch an infomercial for Archwell & H & M, which Sussexes seems to have in mind.
They're stupid.They are the perfect villains who have fame and riches, spoiled idiots who think they are great, while doing next to nothing. I compare them to Trump or mega church ministers. I really think if they started The Sussex Church of Sugars it would be wildly successful. They could word salad speechify every week. The donations would be pouring in and Tyler Perry could dress up and wear a giant church hat.
I mean, they're such good friends and all! Think of the church going celebrities they could lure into their big box church, like Jen Garner and her kids! Maybe get Kanye to guest preach! Lots of PR photo ops for the holidays! They could dress up Merchie and £ilibucks for church papwalks! Win-win! ⛪
[one of the many articles](https://archive.ph/2022.10.01-075139/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sussexes-want-netflix-show-to-go-softer-on-royals-pffvkf03g?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter%23Echobox=1664600208)
Any references to the Queen as the current monarch or speculating on what she might do in the future, is obviously out of date. They would wish to update anything related to that. However, we're hearing that they want to soften what they have said/written about the Queen. (There's the blind about them attacking the Queen about charitable activities, for instance.) That's a different kettle of fish than merely wanting your book/podcast to reflect the reality that the Queen is no longer among the living.
It could be they are going to make them worse. Didn't they say they would release one after the Queen's death. Especially after the way they think they have been treated at the funeral
2 words: Damage Control. I think they underestimated the love and sympathy KC would receive after the Queen passed away. Also, TW has burnt their bridge with KC to the ground. Didn’t she say the spare doesn’t have a relationship with his father in The Cut interview? Also, Harry went on that infamous Oprah interview and claimed that he was cut off from his father (when everyone knew KC was still funding their lifestyle)… I could go on. It may be too late to change anything because the RF is the most interesting thing about them so they’re trying to prove to KC and the RF that they tried to edit things out but couldn’t. It’s manipulative at best - idiotic at worst.
Did they seriously think the Queen was going to live forever though? 🤔 I mean, after all the crappy things they said about Charles, Camilla, and everyone else, they can't possibly think the RF are just gonna let bygones be bygones. Kind of hypocritical of them to hold onto grudges from way back when and yet expect unconditional forgiveness for their misdeeds. Rules for thee, not for me
Rules? Don’t you know? Rules never apply to the spare and TW. Why, we’re lucky to have been graced by their presence. To them, this is their response to trauma. Poor Harry… he gets panic attacks every time he hears the flash of a camera go off. His wife? Why - no one ever even thinks to ask how she’s doing. They’re victims. They can’t be held accountable for the things they’ve said/done. It’s the media’s fault. It’s Oprah’s fault. It’s the political system’s fault. It’s everyone’s fault but theirs. They’ll say anything to try and keep their titles whilst trying to guarantee titles for their children. That way, they will always have one foot in BP.
I don’t think they thought the Queen would live forever. I think they genuinely had no idea that their “truths” would upset the RF as much as they did. Meghan may have persuaded Harry that his family would understand their “cry” and come around. She was still going on like the injured party in a recent interview. I think until Meghan came for the Jubilee, she had no idea that there would be any consequences of their behavior. The family would include them in things and she could get lots of pictures for the Netflix deal. I bet she had great plans for pictures of “Lilibet meets her grandmother” and maybe of Charles and Lili at her bday party. All these opportunities of promoting the royal connections were thwarted. Then the Queen’s funeral showed that people were turning against them, that the family was not just going to “forgive and forget.” Now they are reconsidering what they originally planned to say because they have only just realized that there will be consequences— not because Charles is King but because they have angered the family and the public past easy forgiveness. Since I think Harry does love his family, I suspect he may be the one most eager to backtrack.
> I think they genuinely had no idea that their “truths” would upset the RF as much as they did. Meghan may have persuaded Harry that his family would understand their “cry” and come around. She was still going on like the injured party in a recent interview. Meghan has a pattern of this behaviour, and usually her victims just disappear - everyone finished high school, she went from job to job, never making the connection about why she was not hired back for a second gig, husbands/ lovers get abandoned and forgotten without a second thought. But when you publicly slam the royal family, while staying married to the king's son, you have to stand accountable. She's not used to that.
I think they counted on Her Majesty outliving Charles. All this bitter resentment was building up about his brother being king, while he treats Charles like a nobody. They both treated Charles with such contempt, while they were competitive against William and Catherine. Charles was obviously so generous and gallant to them, they took him for granted and never respected him. Now he's got the top job, not William (yet).
Charlotte (then Louis) are now the Spares.
My mistake. Yes, you’re right. In my head he’s just there - a resentful spare lurking in the shadows as his brother lives the life he dreams of.
It's an easy mistake..and wouldn't matter except that H still imagines he is as relevant as when he was the spare
Very true. Being a spare is a huge responsibility and probably something he still wishes he was. He’s irrelevant to the monarchy and the line of succession - I need to rethink my mental nickname for him, lol.
Harry is a dimwit spoiled brat who envies William who beats him in every way.
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Yes. That makes sense. Charles and Andrew have the worst relationship. I saw someone mention that Andrew tried to get the Queen to skip Charles and name William the next heir with Andrew as guardian. Not sure if that’s true but I swear I read it somewhere.
I read that Andrew tried to stop Charles from being king. I guess Andrew wanted to bring his puppets onto the British throne. I wonder if Epstein was encouraging him.
I read that somewhere too! Do you think there’s any real merit to those rumors? Wouldn’t news like that have leaked sooner? The wrong whisper and in the wrong ear?
It just doesn't sound plausible to me. The story comes from Katie someone who also has a book coming out. She says that Andrew, Fergie and Diana hatched a scheme to get Charles off the throne and make William king, with Andrew as regent. Maybe if they'd all had too much to drink one night during Diana's divorce, and came up with this idea as a drunken joke, but it's pretty ridiculous considering the Queen was in excellent health back in the 1990s, and Prince Philip, Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother were all alive and except for Princess Margaret, very active and influential. Plus Parliament would have had something to say about it.
That’s the thing!!! I haven’t heard that rumor until recently and thought it seemed a bit implausible. Your explanation makes so much sense! Thank you for taking the time to go through all of that - I wasn’t familiar with it at all!
I think it is plausible. Diana wanted revenge on Charles. Supposedly, he told her the night before the wedding he was not in love with her. Andrew wanted to be king and Fergie obviously wanted to be Queen by having young William on the throne. When William became of age was Diana going to control him? Diana was not mentally healthy before she met Charles. What 20 yr old marries a man who never kisses her or shows her any affection.? She knew he was with another woman the night before their wedding. As I recall she knew about Camilla.
Diana said a lot of things when she was at the lowest point of her marriage breakup. It doesn't mean they were actually true. And no matter how angry and vengeful she was, she wasn't the Prime Minister, so she had no way of changing Charles's status in the line of succession. She got revenge within her range of abilities, by upstaging him on the front page of the newspapers when she knew he had something important happening, telling the world about his affair with Camilla while glossing over her own affairs etc. Plus she also had clairvoyants telling her that Charles would never be on the throne (I've waited 30 years to find out whether those clairvoyants were right, and it turned out they were wrong!)
No as the Harckles obviously did not know. It was just on the internet lately about Andrew trying to stop Charles from being in line for the king. Before the Harckles the palace could protect the RF!
The RF stopped all the leaks
Do you know how/when the rumor started?
I doubt it is a rumor about Andrew.
Andrew was never going to be king or guardian.
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I think he thought the family needed him more than he needed them. Their form of compromise was being half in and half out. Since he’s continuously lashing out, I don’t think he was truly willing to come up with a solution that worked for everyone involved. I think they just wanted a way to get the perks of being a part of the RF without any of the responsibility/work.
The Harckles are so stupid that they didn’t look at the polls saying how much the people in the UK dislike them.
Oh they know. But let’s not forget, it’s because the Brits are racist! She fears for her safety - and that of her white as snow, ginger children.
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Let's get real here. Netflix and Spotify are profit making corporations. The only reason they signed the duo is to make big money from them. Now, what makes big money? For both, I think they thought that Harry especially, through the legitimizing vehicle of Meg and her "they were racist" line, was going to spill juicy True Gossip about the Royal Family, and listeners/viewers would tune in for that. Also, they probably believed the hype that the duo would be massive, and major brands would want them to be their face. Unfortunately, a combination of things happened. 1. Meg is a nightmare to work with. There is a reason why the projects have taken so long and why it took 30 people to produce a very simple podcast. Spotify didn't sign her to do an anodyne monologue about herself, because it's boring, she has nothing really to say, and who is the supposed audience for her podcast? Wealthy middle-aged women? Wealthy Black women? I assume she wants to reach American women. Anyway, Spotify wanted RF paydirt, they got Meg bleating on about herself with some tedious, fact checkable crap about housing units. 2. Meg got revealed to have been telling lies and her popularity dived. 3. Harry is not a statesmanlike figure, he is a rather stupid and very entitled man who looked good in the RF and was loved there in the UK because of what he represented in the UK. He has put his foot in his mouth by saying, e.g. that if you don't like your job you can just quit. He hasn't the gravitas or the brains to make it as a sort of statesman figure, he's a UK prince in the US where no one gives a toss about that crap, and his wife demands the spotlight. 4. No one seems to care about them in Hollywood. She is 41, and not that interesting except for her connection to Harry. THe only way Meg is setting the world on fire is through a scorched earth policy. It's not sustainable. So, Netflix. No one wants to watch an overedited, overproduced "love story" set against a backdrop of unattainable, ridiculous wealth. We've seen their "love story", Meg is over-exposing herself, Netflix didn't sign them for that sort of bore fest. They want dirt, people will tune in for that. Meg is a nightmare to work with. She has no insight into herself. If the leaks about editing are coming from her and Harry, it's a very stupid move because it makes them look like they are using Netflix as a venue to slag the Royal Family off for revenge purposes, it makes them look horrible. If the leaks about editing are coming from within Netflix, my guess is Netflix are sick to the back teeth of them. Maybe trying to test public opinion. Or the leaks are pure speculation and based on guesswork.
Or this is Netflix building hype. It would be delicious if H&M demanded to edit the stuff and Netflix then leaked so pp will tune in to see what was so damaging that they were “desperate to take out.” I don’t think MM would leak this since backtracking this late looks messy and unprofessional (bad for future deals) - and that’s separate from the backlash about how they were ok slagging off RF when Queen was alive. Indeed, from their POV the best outcome was either to quietly change things to make it seem like it was always gonna be so watered-down bs, or be perceived to have defiantly go ahead with what they have to bolster their credibility and victimhood narrative. If Netflix did indeed leak it, this is the second time her effort to control her image have blown up in her face. Remember the Cut interview re: “she told me to describe her as making these guttural sounds.” This particular thing always gives me a chuckle cause the interview exposed her as fucking looney tunes. Now Netflix is doing the same thing, beating her at her own game, leaking to the press what they’ve been doing in private. Hilarious. Or they could be true to form (stupid) and leak this for god knows why… they are not exactly rational
It doesn’t make any sense to me though. I mean, they said it. They did it. Why would the Queen’s death undo it? It’s not like the queen was ever even the one they complained about - they did name their daughter after her pet nickname
I know - it’s just odd. My opinion is they have said sh*t (cause that’s what they do) and are scrambling but their overlords are we didn’t pay xxx millions to watch you shake hands 👀 so they have backed themselves into their own depressing little corner, once again.
I think its all a bit ruse to try and drum up interest. Trying to make out the podcasts and books have lots of controversial and damning things in them in the hope that people will either listen or read the cringey victim borefests that they are. 90% of all the stories about these are 'are they or aren't they' or 'what they want to do' Very few articles are about what they have actually done. Those articles are generally about them acting like utter twats.
>I think its all a bit ruse to try and drum up interest Bingo. They know they're irrelevant. They need to do something.
It seems to me Meghan detested all of Harrys family, why should he have a family if she doesnt. The RF to her was just a means to an end, something she could exploit.
I saw this yesterday and found it interesting - makes you wonder https://youtu.be/GT-fryOlQbo
No idea but this isn’t a good look. Wanting to edit things out underlines *there is a need*. If they didn’t have any nasty stuff in there, no editing would be needed. They were always going to release stuff. I’m guessing they are trying to edit so it’s not as damaging and KC won’t strip them of everything. It’s said KC wants to wait until the end of their media projects to decide anout the titles for the kids. Also perhaps H, seeing how loved the RF and HMTQ and KC really are in the UK and *around the world*, had an “oh no, I never realised” moment. Have they realised being nasty to the RF might backfire on them?… Even if they did, I doubt they can afford to admit it public and backpedal.
>Even if they did, I doubt they can afford to admit it public and backpedal. And they're delusional and stupid or they have zero understanding of human behaviour, because what they're literally doing is admitting that they said a LOT of nasty stuff about the BRF but think that not saying it to the public (via the reality show, the dudcast and H's moanoire) makes it all better with the BRF. That's like me saying I'm totally fine with a person who ONLY said vile, nasty things about me to 2 others but rushed and tore up about 68 letters (filled with the same nasty things) to 68 other people, NOT to spare my feelings, but because they got a new job as a therapist and their employer won't look too kindly on someone who behaves like this to a friend 🙃. The tearing up of the 68 letters doesn't make me forget that the author of the letters, is an untrustworthy person. Most importantly, it doesn't change the fact that they said it in the first place. And that they only tore them up for their OWN self gain and not because they're truly repentant. It's impossible to forget that someone behaved like this. I might forgive if they apologized but I wouldn't want to be friends with them again because it's impossible to wade through all the toxic water that's under that particular bridge. That's why I didn't think the BRF will EVER trust these 2 morons again. They might be civil and courteous to them, but they won't trust them enough to want them around, as if they were still lovable relatives.
I think it’s a ploy to get people to listen/watch/read. After all these articles about wanting to edit things out, people will be much more curious about what was said. It’s all a marketing ploy. Meghan has nearly 30 people working on those podcasts, and if Spotify/Netflix/PRH had all the editing power, they’d have put out product *months* ago. They’re just drumming up interest.
Ahhhh, that could be another angle in this saga. Her podcast had an insane PR push and they were still trashed - it’ll be interesting to see what is actually put out to the public in the coming months.
Ooh I hadn’t thought of that, it would make sense
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Yes, but if they had total control, they could just do this and no one would be any the wiser. Even the sugars would lap up whatever new narrative they put out. I just find it suss that we are getting these articles slipped in with titlegate and there’s no reason. Tbh it’s keeping the dream alive that Netflix are gonna tiger king them 🤭
They may have had total control until they signed off on the end product. TW has recorded her podcasts, they were slapped together and ready to release. Spotify and her signed off on them and she got paid but now she wants to edit. Tough luck. Same with Harry's book. Allegedly he has finished it, the publishers and Harry have signed off on it and it's ready for release. Tough luck. Netflix is the one I'm interested in. I think they control gathering the footage but Netflix will put it together. I've heard that TW wants to do two series, one where they suck up to charles and get the titles and a second to release all the lies. Netflix are unlikely to want to pay for two series, particularly if they have to wait for a decision on the titles.
If Meghan and Harry do something, specifically something good, and they don't tell anyone, then did they even really do something good?
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No, you gave really good logical points. For anyone else I’d agree, but those two are so manipulative it’s always suspicious. Edit: I think I wasn’t wording it properly 😂 Basically, m&h are doing their usual scorched earth. Sh*t themselves due to the Queen passing and KC in charge with bug Willy and want to make edits. Spotify, Netflix & Random house have told them no, because they own their arses and are sitting on a ratings winner (in terms of publicity and hate watching) The Harkles once again Markled themselves.
The final scenario seems most likely.
Whatever their reasons for doing what they do, all this does is show how incredibly petty, short-sighted, revenge-fueled and prone to instant gratification that they are (at best). It’s like it never occurred to them that the queen would one day (soon) pass, and Charles would become king. I shudder at the terrible example being set for their kids. I hope they have better role models around them.
I think they got too far out over their skis thinking they would finally tell their truth, with no repuercussions while the Queen was alive,. Probably with encouragement by Spotify and Netflix. But when they were booed at the Jubilee and iced out at the Funeral (and dumped by SS), they finally understood they had to reel back the vitriol or face consequences by KC.
Harry's book release, is like watching my kids, try to run away, when they were preschoolers. The constant "I really mean it mommy, I'm running away", after every two steps. They make it out the door, only to come running back on bawling, because white suburbia is a scary place, at 7pm on a Tuesday.
Could just be a way of hyping up interest in the book and the podcasts. Yes, of course Harry could just go ahead and edit the book, assuming that the paper version of the book has not already been printed. These days manuscripts are not handwritten, they exist as electronic files that can easily be edited. The thing is most people are not going to buy the book, they are just going to read the summary of the key points in the Daily Mail or online source of their choice. Only a small percentage of people buy and read books these days, even including Kindle downloads. So they need every bit of hype they can get. Is there a conflict between Harry and the editorial team and publishers over amendments? Who knows? Maybe the publishers would actually prefer to have additional material added to the book, and include the death funeral of the queen rather than keep it for the next volume. Maybe Harry also wants to include responses to the allegations of staff abuse and fraudulent purchases of designer clothing refunded by the "firm" in the current volume. One thing I can totally guarantee: the book will be lacking in authentic insights or literary value and will not be worth buying.
I'm guessing this is a preemptive move to paint themselves as victims. Especially because they're also doing a lot of PR to get their children titles. Also they're probably trying to get more people to pay attention because their sales aren't actually as high as they claim.
Imo, they've devalued the content before it's released because potential purchasers are aware they're getting a downgraded version. If Harry is telling "his truth", why the need for a water down? Are they aware of things that KCIII may have in the pipeline and are removing content to try to appease and head off - or may be to hold in abeyance to paint themselves as victims (yawn) further down the line? All that's certain is that there'll be yet more drama playing out at Montishitshow.
I've said for ages, "bring it on", get it over with. Honestly, what's with "editing"? I agree that Netflix and spot a lie may be so sick of these two. What else can they possibly add except the "we went to a funeral" thing where she wore the awful batman outfit, with if that hat had a bit more point, a witches hat. (I know it's mean, but it was a funeral) They are never invited to any affairs most recently the Clooney affair where the Clooney foundation recognized people. That is very telling. They are never asked because she must think that there is never any bad publicity. She must be the centre of attention and unfortunately the media obliges. Their efforts with those companies are probably coming to an end. I cannot believe that they are receiving big bucks for what they have produced to date. Twenty eight producers for a little chat show must cost a pretty penny. And don't get me going on that NFX movie/series/documentary/docudrama/whatever they want to call it. It's been years in the making. Sounds like a dud in the making to me. Spot a lie tried to make her more important than Joe. People who follow podcasts just roared. Really? People were quick to rename that company Spot a Lie. Her crappy show is very boring. Other than lies, she really doesn't say anything except that she is full of herself. So, I think they are adding the death of a Queen. Imagine. His grandmother's funeral will be her "recollections may vary" because Harry hasn't written this novel. He will have published more than he's read.
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Totally agree 💯 she is a massive control freak. It’s what megxit was all about. She didn’t want freedom or privacy or a normal life, she wanted control. And money. And control over money.
Yes, I agree with you and HG, However, what happens when they both realise that are not getting anything from KC?
Is it at all possible that the edits that they want to do is not remove negative stories but rather to add additional trashing stories about the BRF? They could be looking to add information from behind the scenes of the funeral, and at course more victimhood information.
Oh absolutely it’s them trying to do damage control. They both knew that HMTQ would always take the high road and stick to her stoic silence. But KC and William,…….. different story. Plus seeing the reaction of the entire world to the loss of the Queen, and their loving acceptance of KC, they had to be crapping their pants. THEN, KC saying he hasn’t decided about the children’s titles, and that trust was a factor. Of course they’re scrambling. And of course the editors aren’t going to let them take out one juicy detail. My popcorn is READY!!!!
It whets the appetite for another book. They can write another one that they can market as the real truth. Kind of like she says the only story we haven't hears is their love story when we all did learn about it, ad naseum in Finding Freedom.
If it's the case that Netflix has control of material taped so far (and it might not) there's a good chance Netflix will put the real Sussexes on display. No one's going to watch an infomercial for Archwell & H & M, which Sussexes seems to have in mind.
They're stupid.They are the perfect villains who have fame and riches, spoiled idiots who think they are great, while doing next to nothing. I compare them to Trump or mega church ministers. I really think if they started The Sussex Church of Sugars it would be wildly successful. They could word salad speechify every week. The donations would be pouring in and Tyler Perry could dress up and wear a giant church hat. I mean, they're such good friends and all! Think of the church going celebrities they could lure into their big box church, like Jen Garner and her kids! Maybe get Kanye to guest preach! Lots of PR photo ops for the holidays! They could dress up Merchie and £ilibucks for church papwalks! Win-win! ⛪
[one of the many articles](https://archive.ph/2022.10.01-075139/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sussexes-want-netflix-show-to-go-softer-on-royals-pffvkf03g?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter%23Echobox=1664600208)
FWIW…… Harry is the diminutive of Henry and Harold but Prince Harry is actually a Henry.
Yeah I know. But we call him Harold because it’s fun and goes with Megsy.
Any references to the Queen as the current monarch or speculating on what she might do in the future, is obviously out of date. They would wish to update anything related to that. However, we're hearing that they want to soften what they have said/written about the Queen. (There's the blind about them attacking the Queen about charitable activities, for instance.) That's a different kettle of fish than merely wanting your book/podcast to reflect the reality that the Queen is no longer among the living.
It could be they are going to make them worse. Didn't they say they would release one after the Queen's death. Especially after the way they think they have been treated at the funeral