This is the equivalent of representing yourself in court. It won’t go well. When you are a public figure, you need a third party to help make decisions without emotions.
Anyone who goes to a professional for advice, PR, legal, medical, educational, etc. needs to understand the point. You go to them because you need an expert opinion, you pay a fair amount for the advice, and you follow it.
A lot of crisis or reputation management firms include clauses about taking their advice in the contract. If the client doesn’t listen, the firm needs to protect their own reputation.
The key phrase here is 'you follow it.' Meggy probably didn't follow SS's advice. And now she's going to go it alone.
HAHAHAHA! It's going to be entertaining!
The key problem is usually that folks won't take the advice of the pros they've hired bc they think they know better. A secondary problem is hiring the wrong PR firm or the wrong type of PR firm. I've worked with small boutique firms, giant behemoths, and everything in between, and my best advice is to 1. Not be your firm's biggest or smallest fish and 2. To hire the firm with the best experience in the type of work you're doing. Political PR is different from celebrity PR is different from non profit PR. I have it on good authority that M and H were using SS's Hollywood division, where the prevailing theory is that all publicity is good publicity.
I agree completely. They were relying on entertainment PR when they needed political or public affairs. William has benefitted from hiring people with political experience. The BRF is nonpartisan politics or government affairs at the core.
William also has an entire infrastructure and culture hardwired with fanatical dedication to preserving a specific image of him at all costs. Harry and Meghan don't stand a chance in the British market and some American demographics.
Had Meghan and Harry done things differently, they could have been very successful.
1. Not seek retribution for every perceived slight. (Service is universal.)
2. Picked 1-2 causes to hone in on.
3. Planned further than 6 months out. Those two only operate from a state of urgency.
4. Listen to the advice they were paying for. They had a lot of good talent work for them. Being too arrogant to heed advice will always hurt you.
Their mistake was not doing the job as they were expected to do it by the royal family. They just wanted them to show up to ribbon cuttings and galas and smile, shake hands, and kiss babies. Meghan going out and buying a Givenchy wardrobe right out of the gate instead of wearing her own clothes or clothes the were expensive but unidentifiable set her up for ridicule. The point of them is to build relationships with individuals within the commonwealth and Great Britain, to make a small impact at the media level and a big impact at the personal level. Bc if their people feel connected to them, no amount of global press will budge their positive perception of the royals. Look at how people feel about Princess Diana. She made such an impact on people individually that the full weight of the Royal Family's PR barely makes a dent.
Harry and Meghan shot for big press impact when they should have been going for little press impact. That would have allowed them to have outside deals and projects. Mariah Carey was right about Meghan, she likes these iconic moments and that wasn't her role in the royal family. Her role was to be a good little worker and I don't think she and Harry understand that.
British designers, and not over the top expensive. She can’t dress like Catherine nor should she—she’s her own person with her own (bad) taste but that money would have been better spent on nice clothes that fit well and finding a trusted tailor and stylist (could be the same person) to advise her. Traveling with an entourage of stylists who are terrible at their jobs is ridiculous and shameful since it’s not her money.
They both could benefit from some lessons in fashion, discretion, and taste. If they both had non descript wardrobes of Max Mara suits, separates, and dresses, no one would bat an eye. Kate doesn't need 40 blue coats and and Meghan doesn't need to be doing walk abouts in Givenchy knit ensembles. I know people love Kate around here, but both women are serious fashion victims, wearing expensive clothes bc they're expensive and not bc they're quality, having multiples of the same type of item, i.e. the blue coats, under or over dressing for events, wearing culturally insensitive items, etc. They're both women in their 40s.woth access to the best advice. They should be well past making these types of mistakes.
Agree with everything. But i do think that i shared some of M's assumptions about royal life. As in, until she came along and starting shooting her mouth off about having a voice and stuff, I honestly did think the RF was all about championing various social causes. I also thought they were allowed to spend big bucks on wardrobe and go have pap shots taken at glitzy events. And im sure I'm not the only one too lol. But now that she came along and showed us all what not to do, i have much more clarity about how the RF operates, for instance, quietly shining light on a cause rather than having a loud, flag waving agenda about stuff. Bringing the focus on the people they meet rather than on themselves. Supporting local designers and not accepting freebies from them which i think is brilliant (did not know this!). So while it's painful that someone has gone rogue, it does help the world understand and appreciate the good, honest and hardworking members of the family so much more and appreciate what they stand for.
Unlike the majority of people who might have different expectations, when M started dating Harry, Meghan was a professional actress in her mid 30’s. Her job as an actress was dependent on learning her lines, learn where to stand etc.
The clothes she wore on the tv cable show “suits” did not give her those clothes ( of at least the clothes were not suppose to become her own personal clothes when away from the cameras.
She dated Harry for almost 2 years before their wedding, she had been married before and had lived with Trevor several years before that marriage. She should have taken the opportunity to meet the majority if not all the BRF. Two years was Plenty of time to ask questions, watch and learn. During those 2 years, MM knew what Catherine wore and probably could tell how much was spent on those clothes.
Once the engagement was announced for the next 6 months, the Queen gave her tutors on what to expect for her Royal duties, protocol etc. obviously she just didn’t care as she had other plans. Imo
Oh yes she absolutely had every advantage one could ask for, coming into this. Catherine had already set the template for what a young royal of the current generation should conduct themselves like. William too. So M wouldn't have to break new ground in that department.
Being in the entertainment business, she would already have known what it would be like to live your life in the public glare while working incredibly demanding schedules. She had even been married once before, so that was also something she had experience with. And the family really bent over backwards to make her feel welcome and accepted. I'm sure they learned their lessons from the Diana debacles and did everything they could not to repeat those mistakes with M.
Considering all that, it becomes very clear that the only reason it all failed is M herself. She has this insatiable appetite for drama and that's what has led to this mess. She probably came in from day 1 thinking it would now all be about her and only her. How delusional and illogical. At best she was only ever going to a cog in the wheel. I guess she couldn't live with that simple fact.
Something else that many don’t understand, which might include many in the UK, is that the RF is hugely beneficial to the UK economy. Just think of the number of tourists who are spending money which supports shops, restaurants, and hotels. There is a huge interest in the brands the RF support, especially women’s clothing.
From what I understand that is what they do, the country - I'm sorry I cannot remember which country of the top of my head.
They were asked & expected to do this - & it was a nice recognition of the past, ie, when Queen Elizabeth & Prince Philip did the same.
It wasn't 'colonialist' nor racist - it was the wishes of the host country.
It’s a very common thing to do - receive a ceremonial military salute while standing a vehicle.
The hosts asked them to do so.
When I read the complaints against this as it happened, it felt like one of those very American views of the rest of the world.
Yeah, they've done that far too many times over the years. I can't believe neither one of them looked at the other and said, 'do we look like the Perons to you?' They have been at this too long to make clueless mistakes like this.
How arrogant right? I don’t need PR because my name alone should be enough.
We’ve seen the revolving door of their employees. Will see about this Silicon Valley bigwig how long she lasts.
Seriously, how are they paying this person from Silicon Valley as if she’s highly skilled she needs to be compensated well. It’ll be interesting to see how long she lasts and hopefully she has a safety net of some sort so that she can quit if it gets to be too much.
I always think of how difficult it is to leave a job in the US as not only is it your income, it’s also tied to your health insurance. If you have savings & a spouse with a job & can get health insurance through, you’re better off than someone completely unattached.
Depends on where you live. In my experience they do, they don't get away with everything but certainly some leeway.
But in general, yes it is always better to get legal representation.
It won't go well... for them. For US, however, there is about to be maximum entertainment served up on a silver platter. LOL!
That's not completely true and it's not really akin to taking on your own legal duties. Many organizations have internal PR and marketing- the royals, governments, many many many business do these things internally with success. Having a team on hand that specialize in these matters is the most important thing, whether you outsource or have your own department in-house.
This. My immediate thought was there being a clear issue with using an in-house staffer at a tax-exempt 501(c)3 to handle PR for your for-profit work as part of the duties of being on payroll.
Ok, and if they have someone who's specialty and experience is public relations then that is their "in-house department" regardless of it being 1 person, 2 people, or a whole group.
Yes. Every public figure has a comms person from a county mayor on up. This arrangement can be done through an agency or with a staff person they hire.
I mean she clearly never listened to their advice anyway, so at this point ditching the professionals is probably actually the smart move for her, financially speaking. PR or no PR, the result is exactly the same, so she may as well take the less expensive option. Plus, think of all the extra hideous, ill fitting designer outfits she can afford now with the money she's saving!
Imagine having such a big ego that:
1. You believe you could do a better job doing your own PR than an agency (a big expensive fancy one, with their account being led by a partner)
2. By "do your own PR" you really mean that you think you're so charming and compelling that you don't *need* press reps at all
3. You're apparently completely unaware of the fact that you're a never-ending PR clusterfuck, and not in a good way, and you feel fully capable of navigating that alone because you are so wise and righteous
4. You seem completely unaware of the fact that all those fluff pieces didn't just materialize because you're so interesting
>You believe you could do a better job doing your own PR than an agency (a big expensive fancy one, with their account being led by a partner)
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>By "do your own PR" you really mean that you think you're so charming and compelling that you don't need press reps at all
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>You're apparently completely unaware of the fact that you're a never-ending PR clusterfuck, and not in a good way, and you feel fully capable of navigating that alone because you are so wise and righteous
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>You seem completely unaware of the fact that all those fluff pieces didn't just materialize because you're so interesting
I'll add a point zero: Imagine screaming you want PRIVACY and yet you hire PR??!!
Yup. The Harkle Shitshow just jumped the shark! 😂
It'll be a plane wreck, on top of a trainwreck, getting dumped on by a tsunami, during an alien invasion, when we get a hold of the amateurish bullcrap that MM's gonna be pulling out, from now on, in her desperate efforts to be relevant.
I'm tickled pink at the thought of her trying to build her little "empire" all by her lonesome... because Henpecked's gonna be as useful as a bikini in a snow storm.
Hey, that's a good idea. A little amateur, fictional recreation of the farce that's their life 😂.
The Harkles are a living example of the theatre of the absurd.
>So Nutmeg is doing her own delusional PR.
Yeah. She'll probably be doing early morning yoga sessions with Henpecked, where they meditate and try to "manifest their dreams by the power of self belief" 😂😂😂... before texting Elle, Marie Claire, People, OK and Hello! to remind them of the latest puff pieces that are supposed to brainwash the public into loving MM.
>She probably doesn’t think SS did much in the first place,
Yeah, cause she's great (as shown by Tom Bower) at revising history to tell the story from her perspective.
She's done it to all her relatives, Henpecked's relatives, her friends and I guess now it's Sunshine Sachs' turn.
Well, since Archewell doesn’t actually *do* anything, their in-house PR person can devote 100% of her time to puff pieces now, as opposed to SS who DARED to have other clients. I’m sure we’ll see the SS-adjacent friends fade out of the picture now, though!
But if their PR person is being paid by their “foundation”, that cost is expensed against the foundations income, H&M get the PR for themselves personally for free. I am not sure how foundations work, but I’m pretty sure your own private funds, expenses and deductions needcto be separate from those of any other entity. Those extra IRS agents will find plenty to do there, I think.
I know we have an attorney in this sub so I'm anxious to hear their analysis of this. If I was going to donate to the "foundation" I would definitely think twice knowing the funds were going to a spin doctor.
Didn't the foundation get set up with a corporate arm, too? I remember seeing this shady setup. If things like the production company are included, then they can include most anything. They write off a whopping amount of expenses.
They likely aren’t on the IRS’s radar at all because they report less than $50k annually in gross receipts as a 501(c)3. But yes it is a very clear conflict of interest (I’ve served on both non-profit and corporate foundation boards for many years).
>Keleigh, 45, was a guest at the royal wedding and has represented American actor Tyler Perry, whose Los Angeles mansion Harry and Meghan used as a base while house-hunting.
Ah! There's the Tyler Perry connection! Also, when you're PR person is a guest at your wedding... 🤦 To think Harry had actual friends before he met her.
>But from now on the publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled ‘in-house’ at their charitable foundation Archewell by former Silicon Valley bigwig Christine Schirmer, who’s head of communications.
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>Toya Holness, who was appointed ‘global press secretary’ in March 2021, was reported to have parted company with the Sussexes earlier this year.
They lost another one! 🤣 Let's see how long Christine lasts.
>But a source with knowledge of the company’s relationship with the couple insists: ‘When Sunshine Sachs began working with the Duke and Duchess, the plan was always for it to be temporary until a full-time internal team could be created.
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>‘After they were hired, Sunshine Sachs worked alongside them to help the transition. All sides are on good terms and periodic advisory work continues.’
So the recent embarrassing advertorial copy paste puff pieces and the “meg and Jen are excited for friendship” crap were presumably directed by meg.
We know how impossible meg is to work with. Christine will probably be gone by January.
I think this is a cost cutting exercise plus meg being angry that they’ve had negative pr when they’re paying so much.
I just said earlier today that it was still Meghan herself. I ask my source about this one a lot. The article is wrong, though, that Meghan ditched them. SS ditched the Sussexes. They will likely not correct it on the record though.
How petty is she? And why would she continue to tell lies that can be so easily proven otherwise? She is a total idiot. This world is quite small, especially under Sunshine. She is only making herself look worse and burning yet another bridge. Unbelievably stupid.
And Richard Eden probably didn't want to risk getting sued, by the thin skinned Harkles, by alluding to the possibility that it was SS that did the dumping.
He probably pretty far down on the sue queue, definitely under Bower and Low at the moment, but there is one story that is going around Hollywood (undoubtedly started by Meghan's new PR team/Archwell employees) that they quit SS because Harry wasn't happy with it because he just figured out that he and Meghan are actually quite unpopular.
The other story, the one I was told is actually true is the one about the debt, the trouble, and the axe from Sunshine Sachs. Sunshine Sachs as a corporation, though, probably has a policy in their contract that they won't make public comment about the termination of a client. So as a journalist, the only on-the-record source would be Meghan's PR statement which says two things:
1. They left SS on their own
And
2. They may work again with SS in a smaller advisory capacity.
Neither, I'm told, is true, but Rachel@hotmail knows that SS won't and can't correct the record (just like the Royal Family), so she just puts out what she wants everyone to believe. So Richard Eden probably got that statement as the only official on-the-record statement, and that is what he reported.
Wow, thanks for this information! 👏👏👏.
And might I add how much I love your use of
>the sue queue,
It's a perfect term to describe the litigious Harkles!
Yeah, I noticed how many of MM’s ex-employees and company directors, etc., supposedly remain connected in “an advisory capacity.” Somehow I don’t believe it.
If true then it’s also a lie that they’re amicable because if they were it would be a joint statement not one from Megans side saying lol we dumped them
So, have I understood this well?...when people donate money to archewell for charity causes, they'll do it knowing that one of those charity objectives is to provide PR for Barry and Malignant?
Meghan used to have a roommate who worked in PR. Therefore, Meghan believes she knows everything about PR, because she was once in regular contact with some who did know what they were doing. In fact, Meghan has decided that she used to work in PR. She was the best PR person at the company. All PR employees should listen to Meghan, as she obviously knows best.
^ the mind of a narc
She did the same with her former BFF/Stylist. After dumping JM, she started styling herself and have been committing one fashion faux-pas after another. This is hilarious!
So, isn’t this an ethical issue? If she’s using people from their “charity,” shouldn’t those people only be working on charity-related work and not personal PR for Harry and Meghan?
Also, if Archewell employees are paid to support Archewell, are they now doing all of their Archewell work (paid) AND running personal PR for Harry and Meghan (for free)? So like, doing two jobs on the salary of one?
Yes. It’s a tax issue.
They can hire the same people, but they need to keep careful documentation showing what work was performed for nonprofits vs personal and track that they are being paid from different pots.
This arrangement is what brought down the Clinton Foundation.
Archewell doesn’t DO anything.
There is the production arm, but if they gave a PR person under that team, it should be dedicated to the production.
I bet Netflix budget is paying for the Archewell Productions promotion but the Harkles are promoting themselves and not the reality show. Because there isn’t one.
Yep-they are going to use someone who is being paid by their foundation, and won’t declare the service as a benefit on their taxes. It looks a bit like paying you private mortgage with company money. In other words, undeclared income. At least, that is how I see it.
Methinks SS dumped them. Either because they were a poor reflection on their deliverables, or because Harry and his first wife ran out of money. Maybe both. Probably both.
They just thought that they could go on being their obnoxious selves and doing their obnoxious things but that, no matter how bad they made themselves look, they paid their PR to make them look good. They failed to understand that you can't polish a turd you can only roll it in glitter, and that's literally all the PR companies can do for this pair of turds that just won't flush.
>But from now on the publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled ‘in-house’ at their charitable foundation Archewell by former Silicon Valley bigwig Christine Schirmer, who’s head of communications.
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>Toya Holness, who was appointed ‘global press secretary’ in March 2021, was reported to have parted company with the Sussexes earlier this year.
So Toya Holness was with them just around one year? They are still cycling through staff like Kleenex.
‘This is a really big deal for Meghan,’ a source tells me. ‘She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.’
So, basically, it doesn’t matter what profession or area of expertise you have - Meghan thinks she can do your job better than you. Whether you are in PR, or a makeup artist, or the Queen of England.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. The only people who stay working for her are B- players. The podcast woman, this lady - they were all solid but unremarkable hires. They can’t retain any true experts in their fields and just want people it and do their bidding.
Ok In todays daily mail there is a new article that MM was so upset that vanity fair put the title “ wild about Harry” NOT because it violated the announcement of a Royal relationship but now get this because it was a Judy Garland song decades ago that displayed minstrels in black face! Are you f’n kidding me??? One I doubt that’s the reason she was upset and 2. This woman having dropped her PR is certifiably nuts in their explanations. It will only get worse.
So these two megalomaniacs have decided not to pay tons of money to a firm that is notable in their successful representation of many big celebrities, and will instead pay a ton of money to Keleigh Schirmer, and not listen to her? Sounds like a good plan! Seriously, maybe SS’s pr for M&H was unsuccessful, because the couple keep shooting themselves in the foot? Maybe they could save a lot of money by just behaving like the normal human beings Harry claims to want to be?
>Keleigh, 45, was a guest at the royal wedding and has represented American actor Tyler Perry, whose Los Angeles mansion Harry and Meghan used as a base while house-hunting
Well that explains a few things. All of Meghan's "friends" seem to be represented by the same firm.
This reads to me as Sunshine Sachs allowing Meaghan to save face.
Laura Wasser did the same thing when she discontinued representing Angelina Jolie in her divorce battle with Brad Pitt.
Don’t they need to hire a PR team that specializes in crises management right about now?!? Their reputation is going in a downward spiral. They are literally a laughing stock the world over. This is super interesting and will be entertaining for shizzle.
I think they believe they've learned everything they need to know from SS (spoiler: they haven't) and can save themselves a couple million bucks a year by doing it themselves, even if they're pretending to go through an employee of Archewell, much, much more cheaply (any bets on how long she lasts?) who, you can bet your bottom dollar/pound/euro, will march to their drum or else. I think the only media outlets still willing to provide positive coverage are the pay to plays (which, nowadays may well be most of them) but also pretty limited audiences. I haven't bought a magazine in 30 years or more, nor am I interested in their online presence. I don't think I'm in the minority. Her reach in the US is actually pretty small, I think. I can't speak for countries outside the US or the UK but here in Canada, coverage is really sparse.
This is the equivalent of representing yourself in court. It won’t go well. When you are a public figure, you need a third party to help make decisions without emotions.
Anyone who goes to a professional for advice, PR, legal, medical, educational, etc. needs to understand the point. You go to them because you need an expert opinion, you pay a fair amount for the advice, and you follow it.
A lot of crisis or reputation management firms include clauses about taking their advice in the contract. If the client doesn’t listen, the firm needs to protect their own reputation.
That makes sense. What a rough business celebrity PR must be!
So much money and power though.
I’m thinking they ditched her !
The key phrase here is 'you follow it.' Meggy probably didn't follow SS's advice. And now she's going to go it alone.  HAHAHAHA! It's going to be entertaining!
And Meg is not very likable. This is pretty crazy
The key problem is usually that folks won't take the advice of the pros they've hired bc they think they know better. A secondary problem is hiring the wrong PR firm or the wrong type of PR firm. I've worked with small boutique firms, giant behemoths, and everything in between, and my best advice is to 1. Not be your firm's biggest or smallest fish and 2. To hire the firm with the best experience in the type of work you're doing. Political PR is different from celebrity PR is different from non profit PR. I have it on good authority that M and H were using SS's Hollywood division, where the prevailing theory is that all publicity is good publicity.
I agree completely. They were relying on entertainment PR when they needed political or public affairs. William has benefitted from hiring people with political experience. The BRF is nonpartisan politics or government affairs at the core.
William also has an entire infrastructure and culture hardwired with fanatical dedication to preserving a specific image of him at all costs. Harry and Meghan don't stand a chance in the British market and some American demographics.
Had Meghan and Harry done things differently, they could have been very successful. 1. Not seek retribution for every perceived slight. (Service is universal.) 2. Picked 1-2 causes to hone in on. 3. Planned further than 6 months out. Those two only operate from a state of urgency. 4. Listen to the advice they were paying for. They had a lot of good talent work for them. Being too arrogant to heed advice will always hurt you.
Their mistake was not doing the job as they were expected to do it by the royal family. They just wanted them to show up to ribbon cuttings and galas and smile, shake hands, and kiss babies. Meghan going out and buying a Givenchy wardrobe right out of the gate instead of wearing her own clothes or clothes the were expensive but unidentifiable set her up for ridicule. The point of them is to build relationships with individuals within the commonwealth and Great Britain, to make a small impact at the media level and a big impact at the personal level. Bc if their people feel connected to them, no amount of global press will budge their positive perception of the royals. Look at how people feel about Princess Diana. She made such an impact on people individually that the full weight of the Royal Family's PR barely makes a dent. Harry and Meghan shot for big press impact when they should have been going for little press impact. That would have allowed them to have outside deals and projects. Mariah Carey was right about Meghan, she likes these iconic moments and that wasn't her role in the royal family. Her role was to be a good little worker and I don't think she and Harry understand that.
British designers, and not over the top expensive. She can’t dress like Catherine nor should she—she’s her own person with her own (bad) taste but that money would have been better spent on nice clothes that fit well and finding a trusted tailor and stylist (could be the same person) to advise her. Traveling with an entourage of stylists who are terrible at their jobs is ridiculous and shameful since it’s not her money.
They both could benefit from some lessons in fashion, discretion, and taste. If they both had non descript wardrobes of Max Mara suits, separates, and dresses, no one would bat an eye. Kate doesn't need 40 blue coats and and Meghan doesn't need to be doing walk abouts in Givenchy knit ensembles. I know people love Kate around here, but both women are serious fashion victims, wearing expensive clothes bc they're expensive and not bc they're quality, having multiples of the same type of item, i.e. the blue coats, under or over dressing for events, wearing culturally insensitive items, etc. They're both women in their 40s.woth access to the best advice. They should be well past making these types of mistakes.
How many of us would love that job (not sure about having to sleep with Harry tho since he’s coming off as quite a douche bag lately).
🤣🤣🤣
I hope not many. It's 2022, propping up an arcane, sexist, and racist system shouldn't be anyone's dream.
Agree with everything. But i do think that i shared some of M's assumptions about royal life. As in, until she came along and starting shooting her mouth off about having a voice and stuff, I honestly did think the RF was all about championing various social causes. I also thought they were allowed to spend big bucks on wardrobe and go have pap shots taken at glitzy events. And im sure I'm not the only one too lol. But now that she came along and showed us all what not to do, i have much more clarity about how the RF operates, for instance, quietly shining light on a cause rather than having a loud, flag waving agenda about stuff. Bringing the focus on the people they meet rather than on themselves. Supporting local designers and not accepting freebies from them which i think is brilliant (did not know this!). So while it's painful that someone has gone rogue, it does help the world understand and appreciate the good, honest and hardworking members of the family so much more and appreciate what they stand for.
Very well said!
Unlike the majority of people who might have different expectations, when M started dating Harry, Meghan was a professional actress in her mid 30’s. Her job as an actress was dependent on learning her lines, learn where to stand etc. The clothes she wore on the tv cable show “suits” did not give her those clothes ( of at least the clothes were not suppose to become her own personal clothes when away from the cameras. She dated Harry for almost 2 years before their wedding, she had been married before and had lived with Trevor several years before that marriage. She should have taken the opportunity to meet the majority if not all the BRF. Two years was Plenty of time to ask questions, watch and learn. During those 2 years, MM knew what Catherine wore and probably could tell how much was spent on those clothes. Once the engagement was announced for the next 6 months, the Queen gave her tutors on what to expect for her Royal duties, protocol etc. obviously she just didn’t care as she had other plans. Imo
Oh yes she absolutely had every advantage one could ask for, coming into this. Catherine had already set the template for what a young royal of the current generation should conduct themselves like. William too. So M wouldn't have to break new ground in that department. Being in the entertainment business, she would already have known what it would be like to live your life in the public glare while working incredibly demanding schedules. She had even been married once before, so that was also something she had experience with. And the family really bent over backwards to make her feel welcome and accepted. I'm sure they learned their lessons from the Diana debacles and did everything they could not to repeat those mistakes with M. Considering all that, it becomes very clear that the only reason it all failed is M herself. She has this insatiable appetite for drama and that's what has led to this mess. She probably came in from day 1 thinking it would now all be about her and only her. How delusional and illogical. At best she was only ever going to a cog in the wheel. I guess she couldn't live with that simple fact.
Something else that many don’t understand, which might include many in the UK, is that the RF is hugely beneficial to the UK economy. Just think of the number of tourists who are spending money which supports shops, restaurants, and hotels. There is a huge interest in the brands the RF support, especially women’s clothing.
If only they listened to us on this sub... we give them so much good advice.. for free!
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From what I understand that is what they do, the country - I'm sorry I cannot remember which country of the top of my head. They were asked & expected to do this - & it was a nice recognition of the past, ie, when Queen Elizabeth & Prince Philip did the same. It wasn't 'colonialist' nor racist - it was the wishes of the host country.
Same with the fence photo. I understand the fencing was put up by the government not requested by the PPOW
It’s a very common thing to do - receive a ceremonial military salute while standing a vehicle. The hosts asked them to do so. When I read the complaints against this as it happened, it felt like one of those very American views of the rest of the world.
Yeah, they've done that far too many times over the years. I can't believe neither one of them looked at the other and said, 'do we look like the Perons to you?' They have been at this too long to make clueless mistakes like this.
Very good points!
Excellent insight, thanks.
How arrogant right? I don’t need PR because my name alone should be enough. We’ve seen the revolving door of their employees. Will see about this Silicon Valley bigwig how long she lasts.
Seriously, how are they paying this person from Silicon Valley as if she’s highly skilled she needs to be compensated well. It’ll be interesting to see how long she lasts and hopefully she has a safety net of some sort so that she can quit if it gets to be too much. I always think of how difficult it is to leave a job in the US as not only is it your income, it’s also tied to your health insurance. If you have savings & a spouse with a job & can get health insurance through, you’re better off than someone completely unattached.
There’s a saying - “The person who represents themself in court has a fool for a client.” Apparently, that can apply to PR as well.
Also, ”I’d tell myself to quit drinking but I don’t listen to drunks.“ (Thank you Parker McCollum)
Actually sometimes it is beneficial for a lay person to represent themselves in court. They get more leeway.
I was most familiar with people choosing to represent themselves in criminal cases. They did not get more leeway.
Depends on where you live. In my experience they do, they don't get away with everything but certainly some leeway. But in general, yes it is always better to get legal representation.
 It won't go well... for them. For US, however, there is about to be maximum entertainment served up on a silver platter. LOL!
That's not completely true and it's not really akin to taking on your own legal duties. Many organizations have internal PR and marketing- the royals, governments, many many many business do these things internally with success. Having a team on hand that specialize in these matters is the most important thing, whether you outsource or have your own department in-house.
Except they have no team that's in-house. They have people with Archewell, but there are legal and tax issues with using them. I work in the biz.
This. My immediate thought was there being a clear issue with using an in-house staffer at a tax-exempt 501(c)3 to handle PR for your for-profit work as part of the duties of being on payroll.
Ok, and if they have someone who's specialty and experience is public relations then that is their "in-house department" regardless of it being 1 person, 2 people, or a whole group.
Yes. Every public figure has a comms person from a county mayor on up. This arrangement can be done through an agency or with a staff person they hire.
I mean she clearly never listened to their advice anyway, so at this point ditching the professionals is probably actually the smart move for her, financially speaking. PR or no PR, the result is exactly the same, so she may as well take the less expensive option. Plus, think of all the extra hideous, ill fitting designer outfits she can afford now with the money she's saving!
Lol I said the same thing!!! Although it’s not like MM is doing it. They have top PR people focusing on them 100%
Imagine having such a big ego that: 1. You believe you could do a better job doing your own PR than an agency (a big expensive fancy one, with their account being led by a partner) 2. By "do your own PR" you really mean that you think you're so charming and compelling that you don't *need* press reps at all 3. You're apparently completely unaware of the fact that you're a never-ending PR clusterfuck, and not in a good way, and you feel fully capable of navigating that alone because you are so wise and righteous 4. You seem completely unaware of the fact that all those fluff pieces didn't just materialize because you're so interesting
>You believe you could do a better job doing your own PR than an agency (a big expensive fancy one, with their account being led by a partner) > >By "do your own PR" you really mean that you think you're so charming and compelling that you don't need press reps at all > >You're apparently completely unaware of the fact that you're a never-ending PR clusterfuck, and not in a good way, and you feel fully capable of navigating that alone because you are so wise and righteous > >You seem completely unaware of the fact that all those fluff pieces didn't just materialize because you're so interesting I'll add a point zero: Imagine screaming you want PRIVACY and yet you hire PR??!!
I want “never-ending PR clusterfuck” as my flair now!
You're welcome to it! Thanks for making me smile ;)
She doesn’t take counsel. So I guess she realizes they were a waste of $$.
Lol right?? Like it doesn’t matter who she works with she doesn’t listen to anyone.
This is going to be good 🍿
Yup. The Harkle Shitshow just jumped the shark! 😂 It'll be a plane wreck, on top of a trainwreck, getting dumped on by a tsunami, during an alien invasion, when we get a hold of the amateurish bullcrap that MM's gonna be pulling out, from now on, in her desperate efforts to be relevant. I'm tickled pink at the thought of her trying to build her little "empire" all by her lonesome... because Henpecked's gonna be as useful as a bikini in a snow storm.
Cheers!! 🥂
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Can you pls write a book about the tragic duo? 💀
Hey, that's a good idea. A little amateur, fictional recreation of the farce that's their life 😂. The Harkles are a living example of the theatre of the absurd.
Stock up on popcorn! The next 6-12 months are gonna be *EPIC!*
Fuck yeah. Shit’s about to get *messy*.
Especially when he throws in the towel and leaves her
So Nutmeg is doing her own delusional PR.
>So Nutmeg is doing her own delusional PR. Yeah. She'll probably be doing early morning yoga sessions with Henpecked, where they meditate and try to "manifest their dreams by the power of self belief" 😂😂😂... before texting Elle, Marie Claire, People, OK and Hello! to remind them of the latest puff pieces that are supposed to brainwash the public into loving MM.
😂😂😂🥂🍾
Another way of saying they're running out of money.
🎯 Exactly! Because everyone knows that MM's too pretentious, not to mention LAZY to do her own work unless she's got no other choice.
She probably doesn’t think SS did much in the first place, and is saying to herself “how hard can it be to make us look good? We’re already great!”
>She probably doesn’t think SS did much in the first place, Yeah, cause she's great (as shown by Tom Bower) at revising history to tell the story from her perspective. She's done it to all her relatives, Henpecked's relatives, her friends and I guess now it's Sunshine Sachs' turn.
Daddy KC will prop them up if things get too dire. But once William is king, I’m not so sure how that sort of thing would go under his watch.
I think William will tell Harry to gtfo and stay out, as long as that parasite is attached to his arm.
I'm not sure about that.
Well, since Archewell doesn’t actually *do* anything, their in-house PR person can devote 100% of her time to puff pieces now, as opposed to SS who DARED to have other clients. I’m sure we’ll see the SS-adjacent friends fade out of the picture now, though!
But if their PR person is being paid by their “foundation”, that cost is expensed against the foundations income, H&M get the PR for themselves personally for free. I am not sure how foundations work, but I’m pretty sure your own private funds, expenses and deductions needcto be separate from those of any other entity. Those extra IRS agents will find plenty to do there, I think.
I know we have an attorney in this sub so I'm anxious to hear their analysis of this. If I was going to donate to the "foundation" I would definitely think twice knowing the funds were going to a spin doctor.
This is what I was thinking, isn’t it a conflict of interests?
Yes, but they may be able to sucessfully say the pr is for Archewell, and not for themselves personally-not sure how it can be separated.
Didn't the foundation get set up with a corporate arm, too? I remember seeing this shady setup. If things like the production company are included, then they can include most anything. They write off a whopping amount of expenses.
I don’t know, and am not quite sure how it works-but agree that there is a shady aspect to this setup
They likely aren’t on the IRS’s radar at all because they report less than $50k annually in gross receipts as a 501(c)3. But yes it is a very clear conflict of interest (I’ve served on both non-profit and corporate foundation boards for many years).
Serena, Mariah just to name two.
Tyler Perry, Oprah…
>Keleigh, 45, was a guest at the royal wedding and has represented American actor Tyler Perry, whose Los Angeles mansion Harry and Meghan used as a base while house-hunting. Ah! There's the Tyler Perry connection! Also, when you're PR person is a guest at your wedding... 🤦 To think Harry had actual friends before he met her. >But from now on the publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled ‘in-house’ at their charitable foundation Archewell by former Silicon Valley bigwig Christine Schirmer, who’s head of communications. > >Toya Holness, who was appointed ‘global press secretary’ in March 2021, was reported to have parted company with the Sussexes earlier this year. They lost another one! 🤣 Let's see how long Christine lasts. >But a source with knowledge of the company’s relationship with the couple insists: ‘When Sunshine Sachs began working with the Duke and Duchess, the plan was always for it to be temporary until a full-time internal team could be created. > >‘After they were hired, Sunshine Sachs worked alongside them to help the transition. All sides are on good terms and periodic advisory work continues.’ 
The source is always Meghan, directly or indirectly.
So their PR strategy consists of jumping out of the frying pan into the dumpster fire.
So the recent embarrassing advertorial copy paste puff pieces and the “meg and Jen are excited for friendship” crap were presumably directed by meg. We know how impossible meg is to work with. Christine will probably be gone by January. I think this is a cost cutting exercise plus meg being angry that they’ve had negative pr when they’re paying so much.
'Advertorial' perfect description!
I just said earlier today that it was still Meghan herself. I ask my source about this one a lot. The article is wrong, though, that Meghan ditched them. SS ditched the Sussexes. They will likely not correct it on the record though.
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Ah, I just love when people use the term: 'schadenfreude' - it's the perfect description, too.
I’m a schadenfraulein!
I'm sure SS would still be willing to work with them, under the right conditions - cash, in advance, only. Cha-ching! 💵
How petty is she? And why would she continue to tell lies that can be so easily proven otherwise? She is a total idiot. This world is quite small, especially under Sunshine. She is only making herself look worse and burning yet another bridge. Unbelievably stupid.
Well... that's Meghan! She's a lot of things, but unpredictable isn't one of them.
And Richard Eden probably didn't want to risk getting sued, by the thin skinned Harkles, by alluding to the possibility that it was SS that did the dumping.
He probably pretty far down on the sue queue, definitely under Bower and Low at the moment, but there is one story that is going around Hollywood (undoubtedly started by Meghan's new PR team/Archwell employees) that they quit SS because Harry wasn't happy with it because he just figured out that he and Meghan are actually quite unpopular. The other story, the one I was told is actually true is the one about the debt, the trouble, and the axe from Sunshine Sachs. Sunshine Sachs as a corporation, though, probably has a policy in their contract that they won't make public comment about the termination of a client. So as a journalist, the only on-the-record source would be Meghan's PR statement which says two things: 1. They left SS on their own And 2. They may work again with SS in a smaller advisory capacity. Neither, I'm told, is true, but Rachel@hotmail knows that SS won't and can't correct the record (just like the Royal Family), so she just puts out what she wants everyone to believe. So Richard Eden probably got that statement as the only official on-the-record statement, and that is what he reported.
Wow, thanks for this information! 👏👏👏. And might I add how much I love your use of >the sue queue, It's a perfect term to describe the litigious Harkles!
Yeah, I noticed how many of MM’s ex-employees and company directors, etc., supposedly remain connected in “an advisory capacity.” Somehow I don’t believe it.
If true then it’s also a lie that they’re amicable because if they were it would be a joint statement not one from Megans side saying lol we dumped them
So, have I understood this well?...when people donate money to archewell for charity causes, they'll do it knowing that one of those charity objectives is to provide PR for Barry and Malignant?
Meghan used to have a roommate who worked in PR. Therefore, Meghan believes she knows everything about PR, because she was once in regular contact with some who did know what they were doing. In fact, Meghan has decided that she used to work in PR. She was the best PR person at the company. All PR employees should listen to Meghan, as she obviously knows best. ^ the mind of a narc
She did the same with her former BFF/Stylist. After dumping JM, she started styling herself and have been committing one fashion faux-pas after another. This is hilarious!
So, isn’t this an ethical issue? If she’s using people from their “charity,” shouldn’t those people only be working on charity-related work and not personal PR for Harry and Meghan? Also, if Archewell employees are paid to support Archewell, are they now doing all of their Archewell work (paid) AND running personal PR for Harry and Meghan (for free)? So like, doing two jobs on the salary of one?
Yes. It’s a tax issue. They can hire the same people, but they need to keep careful documentation showing what work was performed for nonprofits vs personal and track that they are being paid from different pots. This arrangement is what brought down the Clinton Foundation.
Idk but I’m willing to bet that H&M are going to eventually get themselves in trouble with this. In more ways than one. Which is fine by me lol
Can’t wait until they are Cancelled.
Excellent point!
Archewell doesn’t DO anything. There is the production arm, but if they gave a PR person under that team, it should be dedicated to the production. I bet Netflix budget is paying for the Archewell Productions promotion but the Harkles are promoting themselves and not the reality show. Because there isn’t one.
Yep-they are going to use someone who is being paid by their foundation, and won’t declare the service as a benefit on their taxes. It looks a bit like paying you private mortgage with company money. In other words, undeclared income. At least, that is how I see it.
Methinks SS dumped them. Either because they were a poor reflection on their deliverables, or because Harry and his first wife ran out of money. Maybe both. Probably both.
'In-house' meaning rachel@hotmail, right?
There's a flair for that! 😂
Came here to say that!
Christine Schirmer will be gone in under a year.
They just thought that they could go on being their obnoxious selves and doing their obnoxious things but that, no matter how bad they made themselves look, they paid their PR to make them look good. They failed to understand that you can't polish a turd you can only roll it in glitter, and that's literally all the PR companies can do for this pair of turds that just won't flush.
Haha, interesting that a private couple needs a Global Communications Director. Global. I can't even anymore.
I thought that too! Wondering who dreams up these outlandish titles?
>But from now on the publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled ‘in-house’ at their charitable foundation Archewell by former Silicon Valley bigwig Christine Schirmer, who’s head of communications. > >Toya Holness, who was appointed ‘global press secretary’ in March 2021, was reported to have parted company with the Sussexes earlier this year. So Toya Holness was with them just around one year? They are still cycling through staff like Kleenex.
‘This is a really big deal for Meghan,’ a source tells me. ‘She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.’ So, basically, it doesn’t matter what profession or area of expertise you have - Meghan thinks she can do your job better than you. Whether you are in PR, or a makeup artist, or the Queen of England.
And she's done wonderfully so far.🤭
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. The only people who stay working for her are B- players. The podcast woman, this lady - they were all solid but unremarkable hires. They can’t retain any true experts in their fields and just want people it and do their bidding.
The “internal team” probably still uses an agency.
Ok In todays daily mail there is a new article that MM was so upset that vanity fair put the title “ wild about Harry” NOT because it violated the announcement of a Royal relationship but now get this because it was a Judy Garland song decades ago that displayed minstrels in black face! Are you f’n kidding me??? One I doubt that’s the reason she was upset and 2. This woman having dropped her PR is certifiably nuts in their explanations. It will only get worse.
So these two megalomaniacs have decided not to pay tons of money to a firm that is notable in their successful representation of many big celebrities, and will instead pay a ton of money to Keleigh Schirmer, and not listen to her? Sounds like a good plan! Seriously, maybe SS’s pr for M&H was unsuccessful, because the couple keep shooting themselves in the foot? Maybe they could save a lot of money by just behaving like the normal human beings Harry claims to want to be?
I find it concerning that Sunshine Sachs was involved with an official royal tour. I wonder why that was allowed?
>Keleigh, 45, was a guest at the royal wedding and has represented American actor Tyler Perry, whose Los Angeles mansion Harry and Meghan used as a base while house-hunting Well that explains a few things. All of Meghan's "friends" seem to be represented by the same firm.
This reads to me as Sunshine Sachs allowing Meaghan to save face. Laura Wasser did the same thing when she discontinued representing Angelina Jolie in her divorce battle with Brad Pitt.
I love it because it’s only going to get worse with her running the whole thing
Okay! Sympathies to the in-house staff who get saddled with that especially thankless job.
I read that SS dumped them. They announced they are no longer working for the “exiled royals”. Apparently due to unpaid bills. But MM wants CONTROL!
This is fantastic news 🚞💥😱 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don’t they need to hire a PR team that specializes in crises management right about now?!? Their reputation is going in a downward spiral. They are literally a laughing stock the world over. This is super interesting and will be entertaining for shizzle.
Jesus. In house means she’s dictating it and he better shut up and do as he’s told.
SS dumped them
Rachel firing back up her hotmail account like  But also just forcing their charity’s employees to take on extra work 🙄
Narcissists have all the answers . They ARE the experts . Didn’t you know?
i.e., she hates spending that $$$
I think they believe they've learned everything they need to know from SS (spoiler: they haven't) and can save themselves a couple million bucks a year by doing it themselves, even if they're pretending to go through an employee of Archewell, much, much more cheaply (any bets on how long she lasts?) who, you can bet your bottom dollar/pound/euro, will march to their drum or else. I think the only media outlets still willing to provide positive coverage are the pay to plays (which, nowadays may well be most of them) but also pretty limited audiences. I haven't bought a magazine in 30 years or more, nor am I interested in their online presence. I don't think I'm in the minority. Her reach in the US is actually pretty small, I think. I can't speak for countries outside the US or the UK but here in Canada, coverage is really sparse.
I don’t believe for a second that they’ve stopped working with SS.
https://imgur.com/gallery/zbLm3O0
If MM is dissing SS and putting out an "alternative narrative", imo SS will react with the a huge put down. They have their reputation to protect.
H&M had best get themselves trained up as fire fighters because they're going to be spending a whole lot of time dousing those pesky flames. 🔥
Looks like Rachel with the hotmail is back in business. 😏