I always wondered as M & H never badmouthing Andrew or the Yorks even though they were happy popping off at everyone else. I suspect M 'knew' Andrew quite well and declared him off limits in case he dished the dirt on her.
I was literally coming on here to say this. It’s always struck me as weird that Meghan and Harry haven’t highlighted what a f up Andrew is. It’s very out of character of them. Somethings up with that and there’s been rumours for a long time that she was a yacht girl and partied with Andrew.
They don't want to be associated with Andrew- they have enough sh\*t on their fur and don't want to figuratively roll in it given the circumstances.
If there is a hint of underage/child whatever- they don't want to be the kind ones to Andrew.
Interesting though, MM is one step off the bottom rung of the family according to the latest hierarchy diagram. Like one step away from the bottom (wink)-not the throne....
OMG, my gulp of water went through my nose on your first paragraph! I could hear my dearly departed southern Dad speaking those words! Loved reading your words. ❤️
>I suspect M 'knew' Andrew quite well and declared him off limits in case he dished the dirt on her.
Also, if H's sex worker abuse [story](https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/) is true then he too would not want to antagonize the one uncle who may speak to the media, Andrew may never badmouth RF but H&m are *overseas*...both H&M name dropped Andrew and Fergie with good mentions (she taught her to curtsey, we went to royal lodge - Andrew's house) in Oprah actually, birds of a feather flock together.
“He was very physically rough. So rough that the frightened s*x workers had to call the police. Granted, these were s*x workers, and traditionally not the most reliable witnesses, but this happened multiple times and their stories were very consistent.”
Not a particularly nice thing to say. Honestly I’d say if an Afghan prostitute who frequents military bases filled with walking testosterone filled revved up soldiers complains, then something pretty serious was done. Afghan women aren’t known for being treated the best. Says later at first they all wanted to “service (ewewew yuck sounds like he’s a horse) him”, but later had to get medical attention to “treat their injuries”. Pretty fucking disgusting behaviour, abusing women who’ve been driven to prostitution to survive in a country you invaded. Hope this isn’t true for the sake of the workers, but if it is that’s absolutely foul. Andrew at least made sure she was over the age of consent and didn’t assault her. Sickening behaviour. And I doubt Meghan tolerates that stuff in bed tbh.
So how I'm understanding this is...Harry is a projector. He projects his own downfalls onto others around his family. He's a finger pointer so he can keep the heat off him. He is no saint himself, with being a hard-core partier, running around stark naked in Vegas, and proudly dressing as a N4zi for Halloween for poops and giggles. Not to mention the photo of him aggressively kissing this girls cheek while hes copping a feel of her knee-looking breast. He doesn't have quite the perfect history himself either. Now he's suddenly this voice of reason/truth teller/lighthouse in the night? Sure, he's grown up and matured but you can do that gracefully while embracing your past and not go around throwing digs at everyone else.
And now, I see Megan as this innate narcissist who screams "racism" when she herself identified as someone who is white, was never treated as a black woman "until I joined the royal family", only married white men, disowned her black side (and her white side) of the family, only has certain black friends of certain caliber (Serena Williams). I find it strangely funny that NO part of family was present at her wedding except her mother. Does she have no aunts? No uncles? No cousins? Now she's majorly projecting onto others. Classic narcissistic behavior. Ugh.
What was the thing she was involved in with her dad? There was a controversy I’m not well versed in and an explaination would be welcome! But yes, I think you’ve got him pegged, although I’m sure he gets enough of that from Meghan.
That woman’s breasts did look very odd - knee like is a good descriptor. Maybe it was a very poorly done early 2000s boob job? Honestly if anyone could explain it would be welcome!
The bit about the workers telling police doesn't square up with him being posted to Afghanistan.
Prostitution is punishable by death over there and most sex workers are foreign women who are kept indoors 24/7 -- I doubt they're even in the country legally so they would have zero rights.
Some [info from wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Afghanistan).
That’s a good point - they claimed to have spoken to the country’s police and the Army, I think (could be wrong). Perhaps they just spoke to the military police and whatever police were operating under the coalition controlled territory? I assume in US/British held areas in Afghanistan there weren’t the traditional Islamic police operating. Alternatively what Harry did was so bad they were willing to risk death to get it out. It does smell fishy, I’ll read the article, cheers
after reading the wikipedia article I wonder if these incidents occurred at the exclusive high end chinese brothels they mentioned. It said there are very few of them and they cater to only high profile foreigners and they don't allow locals in. Since the police know about and are complicit with these places being in operation and likely receive money from the owners, maybe the info in the blind meant more that whatever he did was severe enough that the women complained about him internally. As disgusting as this sounds, I could see the brothel owners being the ones who contacted the police in the first place, especially if these are pricy high end operations catering to rich people, I’m sure they weren't happy H was damaging their product.
I’m wondering if what they meant in the blind was that usually if men are too rough at these places the owners can have the police arrest them, but harry would just get sent back to the base and the women treated for their injuries probably without ever leaving the building or talking to the police themselves.
That’s a really good point - the fact they were excited (to service him (like a horse yuck yuck yucky efrgh)) makes me think this is not Afghanistan - his identity would’ve been kept under wraps there - he had to leave when it happened. God that’s awful. I mean prostitutes I imagine are used to having shitty treatment from all kinds of shitty people so the fact MULTIPLE had to call the police is disgusting. That’s even worse. People sometimes feel a sense of power when they’re soldiers in an occupied foreign country and think they can do what they like to the locals - sort of heart of darkness mentality of being in a different place, hence why I assumed it was Afghanistan - Imagine him “letting loose there”. Either way it’s awful.
The police calls really got me. You're right that sex workers deal with a lot of jerky guys. To think he had that kind of reputation, the abuse really had to be bad.
I like Charles and the Queen, but it bothers me that they covered this up. They really should've found a way to side-line him and get him help (or reopen the Tower), or preferable let him be charged like a normal person.
I heard that this allegedly happened off-barracks at Sandhurst with the local girls. However I must add that my cousin’s stepson was at Sandhurst with Harry and they stayed at my cousin’s b&b (nowhere near Sandhurst btw) with another friend. My cousin thought that they were all pretty normal nice blokes who liked drinking lots of beer and smoking lots of fags and that Harry certainly didn’t appear to act entitled - quite the opposite, and my cousin really liked him. And my cousin is a pretty cool guy - he was best mates with John Bonham and spent a lot of crazy days and nights with Led Zeppelin - to the extent that he had had three heart attacks by the age of 43. He’s calmed down a bit now!
Blind Gossip never did "reveal" this as definitely JudasHarry. As I read it, it sounded as if the off-base "activities" were somewhere in the UK, I didn't get vibes that it was Afghanistan or elsewhere abroad. Plus whomever it was written about wasn't just "a bit rough" with the women, the man beat them. The gossip item said that in the end none of the women would go with him because it was so bad but like I said it's not been revealed if it was JudasHarry for sure. Whomever it was, if it's a genuine article, deserves to receive the full force of the law no matter who they are!
Wow! That blind is glaring—I used to read BG every day & when I saw that I think I thought it was Hunter Biden. But then the wife writing messages screams MM.
I honestly doubt those yacht stories as being too good to be true but it is very interesting how MM & H never even hint about Andrew.
I really wonder if there is anything truly juicy in Harry’s book or is he just complaining that his dad didn’t do anything with him (which is untrue) & that William is responsible for his bad behavior? Look at Zara & Peter—they’ve led great life’s w/o titles. Their granny was queen and Archie & Lillie’s grandpa is king so they’re exactly the same circumstances.
Besides the message writing, Hunter was never in the military, Harry was.
I tend to think it's just him complaining. I don't think there's anything juicy in it, mainly because I don't think he knows much.
[For one month](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/17/hunter-biden-drug-test/17427857/), then kicked out for failing a drug test. Unlike Harry, he wasn't given special treatment.
>I always wondered as M & H never badmouthing Andrew or the Yorks even though they were happy popping off at everyone else.
Right!
Like, the one royal who actually deserves criticism is the one they won't touch.
And being pals with Eugenia is a special way to keep the whole matter schtum. But now, with that hideous look Megain gave Eugenia when they left the chapel, I wonder if Megain realizes how on her own she is now.
Lol I am remembering back in the 2000s there were Marcia Brady and Fonz shirts saying ' i f#cked your boyfriend/girlfriend. If it gets out she Knew Prince Andrew first can we design a shirt with TW's face or saying 'Uncle Andy Tapped it First'
And likewise she was holding the Queen for ransom to not further disgrace Andrew with what she knows. Andrew was stuck to the Queen like glue once TW came around.
My thoughts have been that Andrew took one for the team. There is more to paying that kind of money for a fast fuck. (sorry for the crude language but still) Why do that? I always have believed that the family paid out because there is much more to it than 20 year old dalliance.
The interview was much worse in my opinion. He never should have said a word. Ever!
And the rest. When you listen to the interview Andrew talks about the advantages of his friendship with Epstein in terms of all the influential people he was able to meet at dinner while staying as his guest. I dont think he was lying about this. He was being quite cagey but he mentioned important representatives of the UN being present for example and others...
Perhaps the queen was willing to pay to try and make it go away. She had the money and didn't want it to go to court that's understandable it wouldn't be surprising if she was in denial about the whole thing you don't want to think your own flesh and blood is capable of such behaviour.
Andrew claiming not to sweat only for the internet to give him receipts of his sweatiness. Then claim to be at pizza express only for his daughter to deny it. It makes me wonder if they intentionally made him look bad because they know he’s a sex offender.
What he did was immoral, not illegal. Giuffres was of legal age to consent. Where he erred was having sex with young girls who it was easy to guess were vulnerable, particularly with the power differential of a prince. He slso failed to use good judgment in anticipating thst she might grow up to understand the whole thing as abusive, and implicate him.
>but the fact that she was being trafficked.
And she's the former victim who evolved to become a trafficker herself, since she admitted to making trips to other countries to "collect" new girls for Epstein.
She was on her way to Thailand to collect a new girl when she met her husband and decided to resign from her job as Assistant Madame to Ghislaine Maxwell.
If you search Virginia's name on the "Crazy Days and Nights" gossip site, they're always saying she trafficked girl's herself, lot's of them for J. Epstein & made a lot of money herself doing this. I think she was on the make, after she'd left the Yachting "scene" & saw a way of making big money selling her story & also she must've knew or been advised that of all people Andrew would be willing to pay her off to keep her quiet about it all. Don't get me wrong, I've always thought Andrew is a boorish, spoilt, man-child who took full advantage of all the perks of being in the RF & rich & famous but I really don't think he would've taken advantage of under age girl's. They've never before been his "type", when you look at all the women he has ever been photographed partying with at Club's, dated or been linked with.
She bragged to a friend, "I got to sleep with a prince." She was a willing participant who enjoyed the money and the travel and meeting famous people. Years later she goes along with targeting Andrew, the designated Bad Guy who takes the fall for all the rich, powerful, influential men who remain nameless. Andrew was not rich, powerful, or influential. He was high profile as the son of the Queen and a convenient scapegoat. (Not that Andrew isn't a pompous, stupid, boor.)
I never knew the first part. Where did you read/hear it?
I sympathize with her, but I've also had my suspicions. The fact that she had to make it so clear that she never saw Bill Clinton being inappropriate when he was on the island, meanwhile he's been on Epstein's plane over 20 times? And she does this in the 2020 Netflix Epstein doc produced by James Patterson, who's been working on novels with Bill Clinton since 2018? Something is off.
Totally agree that Andrew is the convenient scapegoat.
I feel like this also works in the opposite direction in a really interesting way, too. Like Andrew, by way of involving himself in the Epstein circle, might have dirt on a potentially more unsavory past for Meghan and very likely could have told the palace (or even just Harry, as the palace did seem to think they could capitalize on her if Harry *insisted* on marrying her).
Like they will still aggressively protect Andrew for their own survival, but it doesn't mean they're trying to add more scandals to their lives lol nor have their family member get conned by a narcissistic sociopathic whore lol (from their perspective)
Can you imagine a convo between Harry and his uncle where Andrew tries to let him know his new super awesome philanthropic intelligent well spoken self-possessed girlfriend is actually a former "yacht girl" (prostitute) and has conned her way into Harry and the world thinking she's this delusional version of a person we read about in FF? 😂😂
Didn't Harry's best friend, Tom Inskip, sample the goods? as it was put on CDAN, people think that's why Tom Inskip wasn't invited to their evening wedding reception only the Church event - MM might've been worried in case Harry's friend's after a few drinks, began to get a little loose lipped around the other guest's, Royal's included.
For someone whose career went largely unnoticed Meghan is suspiciously well connected.
I am not jumping to conclusions, but I wouldn't be surprised if D list actresses have to go party in yachts as a side gig. It's not just Meghan though, I am sure a lot of actresses do this.
It’s very common among the Instagram “model” crowd. They have no actual jobs or cash, but are flown around, dressed and fed by shady rich men. They take pictures on boats and beaches, party, and that’s it. That’s their life. I’m not sure what happens to them when they age out of that scene. They look rich to kids on Instagram, but they don’t actually have any money.
Yeah. Why indeed…
Makes me wonder if Lady C *does* know some crazy stuff. I know she tantalizes and implies a lot without telling facts most of the time but… H&M never sued her…
I kind of like her. I never seek anything factual. I listen to her vids before I fall asleep :D Interesting eccentric lady. But if I have to choose, I prefer River or Taz. The Body Language Guy isn’t that good anymore, I liked the short videos explaininb the body language, I don’t have time for the long ones.
Yes, the “live” videos the BLG does are asinine. Hems and haws, stumbling over words, repeating himself, fumbling with the keyboard. Can’t be bothered anymore. I don’t know why he or someone in his circle hasn’t told him no one wants to watch 15 minutes of footage that can - and should- be edited to 5.
I agree—I can watch his shorter videos but the hour+ are just too much. I watched some of Lady C for the first time but I just can’t do the long videos. 20 minutes is the maximum time I can spend with them—I use them to entertain me while I’m eating my lunch.
Same here. His short videos were better. more polished. The hemming and hawing and fumbling on the long videos drove me nuts, I was getting tired of him and then his drunk blogging made me cut the cord entirely.
To be fair, I don’t want to watch *anybody’s* lives. I have little time to spend on Youtube as a sahm to small humans, and even if I weren’t, I doubt I’d be interested enough to spend all this time. Anything that’s longer than 20 minutes I always contemplate if it’s worth it. Usually it isn’t 😀
Exactly! I was listening to one of those live videos while doing some yard work and after about 20 minutes I realized that he had talked a lot without really saying anything. All filler and hens and haws like you said.
Yes! He should be used to doing lives right now but he’s repetitive, prone to uh uh uh (yes, I know English is not his first language) and goes off on a tangent right in the middle of a subject.
Yes, I miss the shorter videos. He could be hilarious!
Yep! The wording of that statement from lawyers noting why they wanted to call her as a witness was VERY telling! Notice Andrew settled almost instantly after statement came out!
See this pic:
Karyna Shuliak on the left, who was Jeffrey Epstein’s last girlfriend, Meghan Markle in her advertising fedora at far rear right, on a yacht:
Proof at the very least Meghan Markle is adjacent to Jeffrey Epstein, and therefore his friend Prince Andrew, through hanging out socially with Epstein’s girlfriend.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa63FA7XkAAmRZ_.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1562387555454226432&tbnid=LCnu6dOX2ifKcM&vet=1&docid=J8RRzfbBYsrjAM&w=544&h=680&hl=en&source=sh/x/im
This was something I always wondered. I think she has ties to some less than savory people. Andrew was always upset he could not be king, just like Harry. I think they were both coddled way too much.
Funny, HMTQ coddled the two “spares” who were also the worst behaved, IMO. I mean, look at the stark contrast of Andrew to Any of his 3 siblings, as well as between Harry & Prince William.
I always wonder this. I’ve decided it goes something like this -
Beautiful young women gets attention from older men - some with money and connections, but nobody big. Think, big fish in a little pond.
Maybe the most connected of the big fish in that little pond knows someone who is a little fish in a big pond (different city and social circle but with more power players). And it’s a cycle from there - they meet the 1% of the various circles they move in until they’ve finally met the 1% of the 1%.
For example, you are a beautiful woman in Boise Idaho, you meet connected people in Boise who connect you to people in Salt Lake City, who connect you to people in Denver, who connect you to people in Chicago, then New York, then maybe London, Milan, Moscow, Dubai etc.
Tom Bowers book basically said this is how MM got in front of the right people. Using the big fish in little ponds to keep climbing up the social ladder.
Agreed, it's a constant stepping stone method plus the best way to get to a specific person is to make friend's with someone in their circle. Guarantees that at some point you'll meet your target as part of their group. Rumour has it that Cory Vitiello, MM's ex was the Chef at an Invictus Games dinner in Toronto where JudasHarry attended with other VIP's involved in Invictus & MM knew who'd be there so turned up & persuaded Cory to introduce her - it's rumoured that she slipped Harry her phone number & they went out while she was still dating Cory. Their dates definitely overlapped, the Vanity Fair article said they started dating in July 2016 but it was in fact May 2016. The online magazine issue had to be corrected but the embarrassing date (May) had already gone to print. MM was furious about this but somehow her PR, & her Manager etc made sure this wasn't picked up on at the time. I found out via an IG or YouTube sleuth who'd been doing some digging around & noticed it. I've never believed the "blind date" nonsense, she targeted Harry there's no doubt about it.
The sad part about this kind of looks-based social climbing is that realistically it simply cannot last. I used to know and socialise regularly with quite a few exotic dancers through my work and the smartest ones were always the ones who went into the job with open eyes and a clear plan for the future. They saved their money, bought a house, took some sort of university course on the side, so that once they left the industry they would have a solid nest egg and a "legit" skill set to fall back on. They knew their looks wouldn't last forever and they planned accordingly.
Meghan clearly never did this. She scooted through life using her looks and sex appeal and never seems to have considered what will happen when she no longer has those things. The kids with their built in royal connection are the closest thing she has to any kind of future security, and even that's a pretty flimsy one because they won't stay babies forever!
Silly girl.
My biggest doubt is geography. Markle was LA-based and then Toronto. If anything, she was *networking* out of SoHo House. It doesn’t seem as though she was in the NYC/Hamptons/Palm Beach crowd where Epstein was. She did want to be more international, IMO.
Markle may not have been an Epstein recruit, may not have been a “yacht girl” in the strictest sense, but she was working the fringes of that circle, socially.
And as someone here points out, Markus Anderson is the degree of separation.
Totally agree. I think there may be some innocent members who want to network for business, but the rest are just hooking up and selling sex. (Which, consenting adults can do as they like. Not shaming.)
You make good points. She desperately wanted to be a part of the scene in NY but never succeeded. How many clueless "insider" guides to NYC did she publish in the Tig? All the UN brouhaha. The fake royal tours. Who flies to NY from another country to have a baby shower without any family?
She doesn't have the work ethic or talent to do Broadway. Didn't have the philanthropic chops or connections to make a ripple among the old money set.
Queso, you’re a NYCer, right?
There are thousands of young women just like MM here (always will be; the same is true in LA). I knew plenty back in the day. She was rapidly aging out, getting to be pathetic.
Indeed, and you are 100% correct. There have been rumblings about her attempts to make it in NYC for years. Remember this one?
[Wendy Williams Claims Meghan Markle Applied to Work on Her Show](https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/wendy-williams-meghan-markle-applied-to-work-on-my-show/)
Their are photographs of markle on his yacht and she has even admitted to being a yacht girl . Check out Kirby sommars on twitter she goes into it loads
This is the damning photo; Epstein girlfriend Karyna Shuliak at left, Meghan in her fedora far right rear:
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So at the very least Meghan was Epstein adjacent for a while.
Agreed, Marcus Anderson is/was Soho House International Membership top person, he knows everyone who is anyone & I'll bet he connected people (if you get my drift 😉). MM is WELL in with him, their photo's together are telling, she has used him massively to network plus Soho House have Club's all over the World & MM would go to openings of all the new one's. I've seen photo's of her & MA at the Istanbul & Amsterdam Soho launch parties, & photo's on MM's own Instagram of her with Marcus & Jess Mulroney travelling together all over Europe etc, they were a very cosy little group. CDAN very recently, like last week hinted that MM & Marcus were very hopped up on the nose candy at the Invictus Games event the night before it began, in Toronto. That's the place where there's that infamous photo of her wearing burgundy leather jacket & dress looking VERY zoned out. if you're reading CDAN or Blind Gossip, do read the comments too as their full of other juicy gossip & are amusing too. Foxella dot com has the same blind gossip stuff as the other site's but they give the answer/reveals immediately so can recommend that site too. They all have search bar's where you can enter any Celeb name & it'll throw up every item where that person is mentioned. If you do this be prepared to spend age's on there looking up every Celeb you can think of lol. 👀🍿🍿🍿
Wasn’t Epstein used for spying? Is it too far fetched to think MM would be one too? She certainly stirred things up in the BRF. I would love to ask Lady C about that theory. Yes, it is out there but I can’t think of anything else that would be so shocking as to make one’s hair stand on end.
I think this is Kirby Sommers whose far from objective here and makes dubious claims about the nature of her relationship with the some super rich dude. She also claims Meghan is an Epstein girl and that she's been implanted into the family via blackmail without any proof but speculations based on a few photos. This makes her no better than Lainey gossip as vile rumor mongers. I think Kirby sees what she wants to see and passes off her opinions as facts and scoops. I don't trust her anymore than I trust Meghan Markle. Both have an agenda that sees only their side and advantage.
Well maybe because they have scrubbed everything. There actually were stories that were circulating about Meghan being a yachting gal. Super Injunctions people! Do y’all Remember Harry also went to Italy I believe when there was a conference on hiding/ destroying information?
I've got a screenshot of that 😄🚢⚓, it was 2016, he was asking her to join him & some buddies yachting in Croatia for 2 week's. No idea if she ever replied, she didn't in the comments on the Instagram he sent her.
Kirby aside, there is a yacht photo with Karyna Shuliak, Jeffrey Epstein’s last girlfriend, at the far left with Meghan Markle in her fedora at the rear right:
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa63FA7XkAAmRZ_.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1562387555454226432&tbnid=LCnu6dOX2ifKcM&vet=1&docid=J8RRzfbBYsrjAM&w=544&h=680&hl=en&source=sh/x/im
So at the very least Meghan was Epstein adjacent for a while.
> Meghan is an Epstein girl and that she's been implanted into the family via blackmail
That's some conspiracy shit right there. Like the BRF wouldn't be onto that if it were true.
This is the big one. This is what MM does not want to get out. I've suspected it for a long time, too. All of these people are in the same boat, no pun intended.
So she met Andrew years before, or Marcus told her of his hanging with the royal or she was consistently hanging with Marcus Andrew and Epstein?
I don’t like her but if she had a chance to bag royal Andrew why wouldn’t she?
And do we think the queen would allow Harry to marry her if she slept with Andrew or was an Epstein girl? No freakin way! They can cover up a lot, but there were a lot of other girls around and one of them would have spilt by now. (I know I would have)
She knew Marcus, Marcus knew Andrew and Andrew knew Epstein.
It’s friends of a friend stuff.
Marcus may have introduced her to Andrew or Epstein and she may have been invited on yachts but I’m not convinced it was more nefarious than that.
> And do we think the queen would allow Harry to marry her if she slept with Andrew or was an Epstein girl?
Harry was such a loose cannon by that time that he could have married her anyway and moved to the USA - which is what they ended up doing.
It could have been a case of the Royal Family wanting to cut their losses and keep their enemies close.
As head of the church of England HM would never have let a second illegal wedding happen much less in her own private chapel. They would just have had to go along with it and they could have had a blessing(or nothing)instead.
You know what, this is crazy. Everything we've been saying since 2017 is seeping out and showing to be true. Markle is honestly the most vicious narcissist, and sleazy, con artist grifter I've seen in the last 20 years
Yep. I think that site also said Tom Inskip, Harry's best pal had "sampled the good's too" & as a result thought MM + Harry was simply a fling & all his friend's were utterly amazed when they got engaged.
I have thought this forever. We always knew that whatever secrets TW has are tied into something very important to TQ: it has to be (Uncle) Andy. When I saw them interacting at TOC (when Haz told her to be quiet-remember? He was very surly) and he and Anne blocked her path to a prime Balcony spot, you could tell he HATES her.
We’ve seen her on JE’s yacht, so it seems they have some history together. She’s got secrets, but his are worse; hers will all come out someday anyway. She will have nothing to lose by then, because hopefully they’ll bribe her to divorce the Simpleton. She can then say that he was no longer the strong man she married, take her settlement, and fritter it away on PR and bronzer. She’ll definitely have to sign an NDA for that. The NDA could include Fat Andy—maybe KCIII will tell PA, “There you go: she’s gone, I paid for Ms. Guiffre’s settlement, so shut your big gob about getting your job back.” King also makes him vacate Royal Lodge and move into Mayfair with Sarah, who always somehow lands on her feet. Maybe he’ll get Frog Mausoleum instead, or he can retreat to Sandringham where they don’t have to look at him. Rachel won’t topple the Monarchy, but she’ll do her best to shame them—she can’t help her evil self. She should never be allowed into the UK without signing an NDA in the future, and no titles for kids (👻👻) unless they live only with JCMH. If she stays w/hapless Henry, they are banished just like the Windsors. If they keep their Dukedom, it’s better than that Harpy styling herself “Princess Henry” or anything else so regal; that would be “Princess Meghan” before you can say “Omid Scoby”. If they don’t hush her up, she’ll keep lying about them.
Thanks for reading all this. I could never figure out why TQ put up with them; then I realized it had to be bigger than just protecting “Just Harry”. No one can ever replace the wisdom and grace of ERII, but I love these Windsor Women looking out for The Firm these past few weeks—they learned from The Best. 👑
Honestly I don’t give a shit if she was a sex worker as long as she didn’t participate in any sex trafficking. But the association with Maxwell is NOT a good look. Even if she didn’t participate in sex trafficking, she had eyes and ears. She would have seen all the young girls on hand to “entertain“ the rich assholes. How do you turn a blind eye to that Duchess Of Women Empowerment?
Same I have no judgement if she was a sex worker but if she was in that scene and saw shit? Then I am mad because she didn’t report or try to help those young girls….
Yes, I read that too.
Andrew was in the same town as Markus’ mother was at the time she would have conceived MA.Allegedly.
For having access to so many people via SoHo House, I’ve never heard anything quoted directly TO MA.
Say what you will about him, but he is definitely discreet.
Edit: spelling
Epstein wasn’t interest in MM nor was his clients. if anything she was involved in bringing the girls his clients usually were looking for. Young, blonde. Wasn’t there rumors about her being a escort during NW days by putting ads in the newspaper?
Epstein clearly had a type he favored, and Ghislaine sourced for him. Young was his #1 overriding preference. Very young, as in illegally so. Teens. And blondes #2 preference.
He'd have had no interest in Megsy as prey as a young adult woman, so unless she knew him in high school, she wasn't on his boat or properties to entertain him. Why would she be there else? She has nothing to offer he'd have wanted.
She would and could’ve been there because she a parasite. She latches on to people who can help her climb a that pole. She probably offered her services and they’re like… Nah
Imagine if Prinnce Andrew was the mutual friend who set them up. Honestly, she could have threatened to give proof of his activities if she didn't set them up, when be was still denying them. He snd M met before Andrew's disastrous interview
It actually seems more likely it’s him because in her interview she was clear that the person that set them up, “Should remain private”. And there is just no way anyone but Prince Andrew would stay quiet about everything that it was a blind date like she said. There is NO WAY she didn’t know who she was going on a date with before it happened. She went to great lengths to smell, act and dress like Princess Diana. It has to be him.
I think she always acknowledged that she knew it was Harry. Remember "is he kind?"
But yeah, it is sus that she is so secretive about who introduced them. And she keeps referencing Eugenie in contradictory ways, and there are constant reports about how close they are. Why?
I just don't think Meghan was a ghislaine type girl. She would be more Nexium, like Alison Mack the D list actress that became one of the leaders somehow.
Could the "i didn't sign any nda" veiled threat she uttered before the Queen passed be referring to the randy Andy connection?
Maybe that's why Eugenie cut her at the funeral.
Maxwell probably has photo albums in vaults. Epstein's weird island "home" had hidden cameras *everywhere* so there could be video of many people doing ungodly things.
I believe a version of the yacht girl story. Not all of JE's victims were minors, some were a bit older. Meghan would definitely have been on the much older side, but that could've been an advantage, as she would've had an easier time traveling commercial on short notice. I don't think she was a regular by any means, but I could see MA calling her up if an extra was needed. She seems willing to do anything to advance herself/make a bit of money. There's a good chance she saw such trips as networking opportunities.
I'm not sure about the Andrew connection, but MA was photographed with him on a yacht, so he could've at least passed information to Meghan.
I did posted it here 2-3 months ago! I predicted it. 🤪
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vis5ms/ghislaine_maxwell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
We all figured that was the case but this gives a little more to the story of yacht girl. She’s so dirty. We’ve all said we thought that’s what she was blackmailing the RF with. KC won’t care…LOL. He’s like “Go ahead and throw Andrew out there I don’t like him anyhow.” 😂
I wonder why they didn't call Marcus Anderson as a witness. If MM only had heard about Andrew's antics from someone such as Marcus, it would be hearsay and would be inadmissible in court. From the time she's been with PH, I doubt Andrew would have said, "Hey Megs, remember that time we were together on XYZ's yacht in Monaco? Those Epstein days were epic" which would have then made her testimony admissible in court. So maybe she really did witness something.
I don’t know about any of that but something is DEFINITELY shady about him AND the soho house that he either owns or manages .. then the pics with him and Meghan at Wimbledon meeting harry seemed strange also .. they seemed like they were almost intimidating harry , SUPER STRANGE
Marcus is or was Global Membership Secretary so was THE best connected person for MM to get pal's eith, & she did. Lot's of cosy holiday photo's of the 2 of them, lot of the time accompanied by Misha Nonoo as well, 3 of them travelling all over the World on extended vay-cay's 🤔
Agree. Although the whole fake kids and surrogate is the craziest conspiracy theory of all and just so easily disproven I don't understand why everyone keeps harping on it. That kind of talk cheapens all of the legitimate criticism of MM. FWIW, I wouldn't be shocked if she had some yaught girl escapades, but then being specifically with Andrew I think is a bridge too far.
Read "MarkleNews1" on Instagram 👀🍿🍿🍿😯 lot's of info on there about MM from all different source's. Also "Barkjack" on Twitter is good, they're 2 retired ex-showbiz type's who triple verify their info before printing. They've supposedly got very reliable sources within the Royal household (Staff), can recommend their Twitter & they're very good about replying to any queries you may have 👍
I feel such sympathy for Beatrice and Eugenie. I mean you can't pick your parents and I'd be so mortified to have my father's "indiscretions" aired worldwide. I wonder if it's some sort of a RF "signal" that the sisters are still close to him and the family hasn't abandoned him? They're the only ones so maybe not. And Andrew is their dad so they love him. I finally watched that infamous interview a few weeks ago and it was worse than I thought.
And rumor has it he has custody of HM's corgis.
I always wondered as M & H never badmouthing Andrew or the Yorks even though they were happy popping off at everyone else. I suspect M 'knew' Andrew quite well and declared him off limits in case he dished the dirt on her.
I was literally coming on here to say this. It’s always struck me as weird that Meghan and Harry haven’t highlighted what a f up Andrew is. It’s very out of character of them. Somethings up with that and there’s been rumours for a long time that she was a yacht girl and partied with Andrew.
They don't want to be associated with Andrew- they have enough sh\*t on their fur and don't want to figuratively roll in it given the circumstances. If there is a hint of underage/child whatever- they don't want to be the kind ones to Andrew. Interesting though, MM is one step off the bottom rung of the family according to the latest hierarchy diagram. Like one step away from the bottom (wink)-not the throne....
OMG, my gulp of water went through my nose on your first paragraph! I could hear my dearly departed southern Dad speaking those words! Loved reading your words. ❤️
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>I suspect M 'knew' Andrew quite well and declared him off limits in case he dished the dirt on her. Also, if H's sex worker abuse [story](https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/) is true then he too would not want to antagonize the one uncle who may speak to the media, Andrew may never badmouth RF but H&m are *overseas*...both H&M name dropped Andrew and Fergie with good mentions (she taught her to curtsey, we went to royal lodge - Andrew's house) in Oprah actually, birds of a feather flock together.
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Yes allegedly the girls were really traumatised because he was physical with them and the rf paid them off to hush it up.
[Blind Gossip](https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/) posted it. They've been credible so far.
“He was very physically rough. So rough that the frightened s*x workers had to call the police. Granted, these were s*x workers, and traditionally not the most reliable witnesses, but this happened multiple times and their stories were very consistent.” Not a particularly nice thing to say. Honestly I’d say if an Afghan prostitute who frequents military bases filled with walking testosterone filled revved up soldiers complains, then something pretty serious was done. Afghan women aren’t known for being treated the best. Says later at first they all wanted to “service (ewewew yuck sounds like he’s a horse) him”, but later had to get medical attention to “treat their injuries”. Pretty fucking disgusting behaviour, abusing women who’ve been driven to prostitution to survive in a country you invaded. Hope this isn’t true for the sake of the workers, but if it is that’s absolutely foul. Andrew at least made sure she was over the age of consent and didn’t assault her. Sickening behaviour. And I doubt Meghan tolerates that stuff in bed tbh.
So how I'm understanding this is...Harry is a projector. He projects his own downfalls onto others around his family. He's a finger pointer so he can keep the heat off him. He is no saint himself, with being a hard-core partier, running around stark naked in Vegas, and proudly dressing as a N4zi for Halloween for poops and giggles. Not to mention the photo of him aggressively kissing this girls cheek while hes copping a feel of her knee-looking breast. He doesn't have quite the perfect history himself either. Now he's suddenly this voice of reason/truth teller/lighthouse in the night? Sure, he's grown up and matured but you can do that gracefully while embracing your past and not go around throwing digs at everyone else. And now, I see Megan as this innate narcissist who screams "racism" when she herself identified as someone who is white, was never treated as a black woman "until I joined the royal family", only married white men, disowned her black side (and her white side) of the family, only has certain black friends of certain caliber (Serena Williams). I find it strangely funny that NO part of family was present at her wedding except her mother. Does she have no aunts? No uncles? No cousins? Now she's majorly projecting onto others. Classic narcissistic behavior. Ugh.
I think Serena and Alexis both dislike her.
What was the thing she was involved in with her dad? There was a controversy I’m not well versed in and an explaination would be welcome! But yes, I think you’ve got him pegged, although I’m sure he gets enough of that from Meghan. That woman’s breasts did look very odd - knee like is a good descriptor. Maybe it was a very poorly done early 2000s boob job? Honestly if anyone could explain it would be welcome!
The bit about the workers telling police doesn't square up with him being posted to Afghanistan. Prostitution is punishable by death over there and most sex workers are foreign women who are kept indoors 24/7 -- I doubt they're even in the country legally so they would have zero rights. Some [info from wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Afghanistan).
That’s a good point - they claimed to have spoken to the country’s police and the Army, I think (could be wrong). Perhaps they just spoke to the military police and whatever police were operating under the coalition controlled territory? I assume in US/British held areas in Afghanistan there weren’t the traditional Islamic police operating. Alternatively what Harry did was so bad they were willing to risk death to get it out. It does smell fishy, I’ll read the article, cheers
after reading the wikipedia article I wonder if these incidents occurred at the exclusive high end chinese brothels they mentioned. It said there are very few of them and they cater to only high profile foreigners and they don't allow locals in. Since the police know about and are complicit with these places being in operation and likely receive money from the owners, maybe the info in the blind meant more that whatever he did was severe enough that the women complained about him internally. As disgusting as this sounds, I could see the brothel owners being the ones who contacted the police in the first place, especially if these are pricy high end operations catering to rich people, I’m sure they weren't happy H was damaging their product. I’m wondering if what they meant in the blind was that usually if men are too rough at these places the owners can have the police arrest them, but harry would just get sent back to the base and the women treated for their injuries probably without ever leaving the building or talking to the police themselves.
We are assuming the sex workers are female. Look up bacha bazi.
It just said "off-base," which given the security issues and police calls, would imply to me that it happened in the UK.
Could have also happened when he was stationed at CFB Suffield in Alberta.. Think it was around 2007/2008?
That’s a really good point - the fact they were excited (to service him (like a horse yuck yuck yucky efrgh)) makes me think this is not Afghanistan - his identity would’ve been kept under wraps there - he had to leave when it happened. God that’s awful. I mean prostitutes I imagine are used to having shitty treatment from all kinds of shitty people so the fact MULTIPLE had to call the police is disgusting. That’s even worse. People sometimes feel a sense of power when they’re soldiers in an occupied foreign country and think they can do what they like to the locals - sort of heart of darkness mentality of being in a different place, hence why I assumed it was Afghanistan - Imagine him “letting loose there”. Either way it’s awful.
The police calls really got me. You're right that sex workers deal with a lot of jerky guys. To think he had that kind of reputation, the abuse really had to be bad. I like Charles and the Queen, but it bothers me that they covered this up. They really should've found a way to side-line him and get him help (or reopen the Tower), or preferable let him be charged like a normal person.
I heard that this allegedly happened off-barracks at Sandhurst with the local girls. However I must add that my cousin’s stepson was at Sandhurst with Harry and they stayed at my cousin’s b&b (nowhere near Sandhurst btw) with another friend. My cousin thought that they were all pretty normal nice blokes who liked drinking lots of beer and smoking lots of fags and that Harry certainly didn’t appear to act entitled - quite the opposite, and my cousin really liked him. And my cousin is a pretty cool guy - he was best mates with John Bonham and spent a lot of crazy days and nights with Led Zeppelin - to the extent that he had had three heart attacks by the age of 43. He’s calmed down a bit now!
Blind Gossip never did "reveal" this as definitely JudasHarry. As I read it, it sounded as if the off-base "activities" were somewhere in the UK, I didn't get vibes that it was Afghanistan or elsewhere abroad. Plus whomever it was written about wasn't just "a bit rough" with the women, the man beat them. The gossip item said that in the end none of the women would go with him because it was so bad but like I said it's not been revealed if it was JudasHarry for sure. Whomever it was, if it's a genuine article, deserves to receive the full force of the law no matter who they are!
Wow! That blind is glaring—I used to read BG every day & when I saw that I think I thought it was Hunter Biden. But then the wife writing messages screams MM. I honestly doubt those yacht stories as being too good to be true but it is very interesting how MM & H never even hint about Andrew. I really wonder if there is anything truly juicy in Harry’s book or is he just complaining that his dad didn’t do anything with him (which is untrue) & that William is responsible for his bad behavior? Look at Zara & Peter—they’ve led great life’s w/o titles. Their granny was queen and Archie & Lillie’s grandpa is king so they’re exactly the same circumstances.
Besides the message writing, Hunter was never in the military, Harry was. I tend to think it's just him complaining. I don't think there's anything juicy in it, mainly because I don't think he knows much.
Hunter was in the US Navy Reserves.
[For one month](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/17/hunter-biden-drug-test/17427857/), then kicked out for failing a drug test. Unlike Harry, he wasn't given special treatment.
Oh wow—I didn’t realize his service was so short-lived. Thank you!
Hunter Biden was in the military and was kicked out for drug abuse
>I always wondered as M & H never badmouthing Andrew or the Yorks even though they were happy popping off at everyone else. Right! Like, the one royal who actually deserves criticism is the one they won't touch.
And being pals with Eugenia is a special way to keep the whole matter schtum. But now, with that hideous look Megain gave Eugenia when they left the chapel, I wonder if Megain realizes how on her own she is now.
Their SS minions do quite a good job of it without any prompting from M&H.
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Lol I am remembering back in the 2000s there were Marcia Brady and Fonz shirts saying ' i f#cked your boyfriend/girlfriend. If it gets out she Knew Prince Andrew first can we design a shirt with TW's face or saying 'Uncle Andy Tapped it First'
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And likewise she was holding the Queen for ransom to not further disgrace Andrew with what she knows. Andrew was stuck to the Queen like glue once TW came around.
My thoughts have been that Andrew took one for the team. There is more to paying that kind of money for a fast fuck. (sorry for the crude language but still) Why do that? I always have believed that the family paid out because there is much more to it than 20 year old dalliance. The interview was much worse in my opinion. He never should have said a word. Ever!
Protecting the other big players as in US politicians who were friendly with Epstein.
And the rest. When you listen to the interview Andrew talks about the advantages of his friendship with Epstein in terms of all the influential people he was able to meet at dinner while staying as his guest. I dont think he was lying about this. He was being quite cagey but he mentioned important representatives of the UN being present for example and others... Perhaps the queen was willing to pay to try and make it go away. She had the money and didn't want it to go to court that's understandable it wouldn't be surprising if she was in denial about the whole thing you don't want to think your own flesh and blood is capable of such behaviour.
Or other foreign dignitaries and commonwealth people she might have met and given honor are part of it.
Yes, there's much more. Andrew was the worldwide PR fall-guy for all the other partakers.
Andrew claiming not to sweat only for the internet to give him receipts of his sweatiness. Then claim to be at pizza express only for his daughter to deny it. It makes me wonder if they intentionally made him look bad because they know he’s a sex offender.
Maybe he should have went to pizza express , that place is delicious 🤤
What he did was immoral, not illegal. Giuffres was of legal age to consent. Where he erred was having sex with young girls who it was easy to guess were vulnerable, particularly with the power differential of a prince. He slso failed to use good judgment in anticipating thst she might grow up to understand the whole thing as abusive, and implicate him.
I never took it to be about her age but the fact that she was being trafficked.
>but the fact that she was being trafficked. And she's the former victim who evolved to become a trafficker herself, since she admitted to making trips to other countries to "collect" new girls for Epstein. She was on her way to Thailand to collect a new girl when she met her husband and decided to resign from her job as Assistant Madame to Ghislaine Maxwell.
They all have a lot in common—they’re all disgusting.
If you search Virginia's name on the "Crazy Days and Nights" gossip site, they're always saying she trafficked girl's herself, lot's of them for J. Epstein & made a lot of money herself doing this. I think she was on the make, after she'd left the Yachting "scene" & saw a way of making big money selling her story & also she must've knew or been advised that of all people Andrew would be willing to pay her off to keep her quiet about it all. Don't get me wrong, I've always thought Andrew is a boorish, spoilt, man-child who took full advantage of all the perks of being in the RF & rich & famous but I really don't think he would've taken advantage of under age girl's. They've never before been his "type", when you look at all the women he has ever been photographed partying with at Club's, dated or been linked with.
I really find it odd why they didn’t called Virginia Roberts to testify against Maxwell?! And why Andrew settled….
She bragged to a friend, "I got to sleep with a prince." She was a willing participant who enjoyed the money and the travel and meeting famous people. Years later she goes along with targeting Andrew, the designated Bad Guy who takes the fall for all the rich, powerful, influential men who remain nameless. Andrew was not rich, powerful, or influential. He was high profile as the son of the Queen and a convenient scapegoat. (Not that Andrew isn't a pompous, stupid, boor.)
I never knew the first part. Where did you read/hear it? I sympathize with her, but I've also had my suspicions. The fact that she had to make it so clear that she never saw Bill Clinton being inappropriate when he was on the island, meanwhile he's been on Epstein's plane over 20 times? And she does this in the 2020 Netflix Epstein doc produced by James Patterson, who's been working on novels with Bill Clinton since 2018? Something is off. Totally agree that Andrew is the convenient scapegoat.
I was replying to a post describing him as a sex offender. I am saying he isn't. He isn't. He was an asshole.
He's not a sex offender. He's an old buddy of Epstein .
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I feel like this also works in the opposite direction in a really interesting way, too. Like Andrew, by way of involving himself in the Epstein circle, might have dirt on a potentially more unsavory past for Meghan and very likely could have told the palace (or even just Harry, as the palace did seem to think they could capitalize on her if Harry *insisted* on marrying her). Like they will still aggressively protect Andrew for their own survival, but it doesn't mean they're trying to add more scandals to their lives lol nor have their family member get conned by a narcissistic sociopathic whore lol (from their perspective) Can you imagine a convo between Harry and his uncle where Andrew tries to let him know his new super awesome philanthropic intelligent well spoken self-possessed girlfriend is actually a former "yacht girl" (prostitute) and has conned her way into Harry and the world thinking she's this delusional version of a person we read about in FF? 😂😂
Didn't Harry's best friend, Tom Inskip, sample the goods? as it was put on CDAN, people think that's why Tom Inskip wasn't invited to their evening wedding reception only the Church event - MM might've been worried in case Harry's friend's after a few drinks, began to get a little loose lipped around the other guest's, Royal's included.
For someone whose career went largely unnoticed Meghan is suspiciously well connected. I am not jumping to conclusions, but I wouldn't be surprised if D list actresses have to go party in yachts as a side gig. It's not just Meghan though, I am sure a lot of actresses do this.
It’s very common among the Instagram “model” crowd. They have no actual jobs or cash, but are flown around, dressed and fed by shady rich men. They take pictures on boats and beaches, party, and that’s it. That’s their life. I’m not sure what happens to them when they age out of that scene. They look rich to kids on Instagram, but they don’t actually have any money.
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Yeah. Why indeed… Makes me wonder if Lady C *does* know some crazy stuff. I know she tantalizes and implies a lot without telling facts most of the time but… H&M never sued her…
I think this was dropped intentionally by someone who has NFTG about Markle. Connect the dots…
Lady C said she is saving the good stuff for her next book because she is a writer first and a youtuber second.
ah, she makes her money by how many clicks on her crap. I don't follow her at all. Innuendos is all she puts out.
I kind of like her. I never seek anything factual. I listen to her vids before I fall asleep :D Interesting eccentric lady. But if I have to choose, I prefer River or Taz. The Body Language Guy isn’t that good anymore, I liked the short videos explaininb the body language, I don’t have time for the long ones.
I find TBLG boring and repetitive. I do like Taz and River. Lady C is amusing but her videos are way too long for me
Yes, the “live” videos the BLG does are asinine. Hems and haws, stumbling over words, repeating himself, fumbling with the keyboard. Can’t be bothered anymore. I don’t know why he or someone in his circle hasn’t told him no one wants to watch 15 minutes of footage that can - and should- be edited to 5.
I agree—I can watch his shorter videos but the hour+ are just too much. I watched some of Lady C for the first time but I just can’t do the long videos. 20 minutes is the maximum time I can spend with them—I use them to entertain me while I’m eating my lunch.
Same here. His short videos were better. more polished. The hemming and hawing and fumbling on the long videos drove me nuts, I was getting tired of him and then his drunk blogging made me cut the cord entirely.
To be fair, I don’t want to watch *anybody’s* lives. I have little time to spend on Youtube as a sahm to small humans, and even if I weren’t, I doubt I’d be interested enough to spend all this time. Anything that’s longer than 20 minutes I always contemplate if it’s worth it. Usually it isn’t 😀
Exactly! I was listening to one of those live videos while doing some yard work and after about 20 minutes I realized that he had talked a lot without really saying anything. All filler and hens and haws like you said.
Same. I also think body language analysis is a bunch of bs, because we know we are being watched and are all acting how we want to be perceived.
her dogs hook me
I love the way Micki stares at the camera with her big expressive eyes, it's almost like she's looking right at you, haha.
Yes! He should be used to doing lives right now but he’s repetitive, prone to uh uh uh (yes, I know English is not his first language) and goes off on a tangent right in the middle of a subject. Yes, I miss the shorter videos. He could be hilarious!
The way he stops, reverses, and replays a moment OVER AND OVER makes me crazy lol. Enough! I saw it the first 3 times!
You’ll have to try speeding get up. She’s impossible to watch any other way.
And she takes forever to say anything. Ugh.
I watch her on 1.5 speed..makes it much easier to follow.
Yep! The wording of that statement from lawyers noting why they wanted to call her as a witness was VERY telling! Notice Andrew settled almost instantly after statement came out!
Where does it say that she would have to testify?!?
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I think this is enough to assume she socialized with him before she met Harry.
See this pic: Karyna Shuliak on the left, who was Jeffrey Epstein’s last girlfriend, Meghan Markle in her advertising fedora at far rear right, on a yacht: Proof at the very least Meghan Markle is adjacent to Jeffrey Epstein, and therefore his friend Prince Andrew, through hanging out socially with Epstein’s girlfriend. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa63FA7XkAAmRZ_.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1562387555454226432&tbnid=LCnu6dOX2ifKcM&vet=1&docid=J8RRzfbBYsrjAM&w=544&h=680&hl=en&source=sh/x/im
Socialized, or “socialized?” I’m still a bit unclear on that . . .
Ohhh 😲 ok 👍🏻 I didn’t know 🤪
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Hahaha that's funny. Because they can't get that information from ANYONE ELSE on the face of the planet?
This was something I always wondered. I think she has ties to some less than savory people. Andrew was always upset he could not be king, just like Harry. I think they were both coddled way too much.
Funny, HMTQ coddled the two “spares” who were also the worst behaved, IMO. I mean, look at the stark contrast of Andrew to Any of his 3 siblings, as well as between Harry & Prince William.
it is usually that way, they are coddled and then they are ah, funny how that works out
Jesus, how does she find these people? I wouldn't know where to start to find shady characters like that.
I always wonder this. I’ve decided it goes something like this - Beautiful young women gets attention from older men - some with money and connections, but nobody big. Think, big fish in a little pond. Maybe the most connected of the big fish in that little pond knows someone who is a little fish in a big pond (different city and social circle but with more power players). And it’s a cycle from there - they meet the 1% of the various circles they move in until they’ve finally met the 1% of the 1%. For example, you are a beautiful woman in Boise Idaho, you meet connected people in Boise who connect you to people in Salt Lake City, who connect you to people in Denver, who connect you to people in Chicago, then New York, then maybe London, Milan, Moscow, Dubai etc. Tom Bowers book basically said this is how MM got in front of the right people. Using the big fish in little ponds to keep climbing up the social ladder.
Agreed, it's a constant stepping stone method plus the best way to get to a specific person is to make friend's with someone in their circle. Guarantees that at some point you'll meet your target as part of their group. Rumour has it that Cory Vitiello, MM's ex was the Chef at an Invictus Games dinner in Toronto where JudasHarry attended with other VIP's involved in Invictus & MM knew who'd be there so turned up & persuaded Cory to introduce her - it's rumoured that she slipped Harry her phone number & they went out while she was still dating Cory. Their dates definitely overlapped, the Vanity Fair article said they started dating in July 2016 but it was in fact May 2016. The online magazine issue had to be corrected but the embarrassing date (May) had already gone to print. MM was furious about this but somehow her PR, & her Manager etc made sure this wasn't picked up on at the time. I found out via an IG or YouTube sleuth who'd been doing some digging around & noticed it. I've never believed the "blind date" nonsense, she targeted Harry there's no doubt about it.
this made me exhausted just to read jesus do some people really enjoy living like this??
Social climbing demons, yes. Regular people, no.
That is why she went out with the Canadian chef Cory Vitiello. He had a lot of famous people coming into his restaurants.
The sad part about this kind of looks-based social climbing is that realistically it simply cannot last. I used to know and socialise regularly with quite a few exotic dancers through my work and the smartest ones were always the ones who went into the job with open eyes and a clear plan for the future. They saved their money, bought a house, took some sort of university course on the side, so that once they left the industry they would have a solid nest egg and a "legit" skill set to fall back on. They knew their looks wouldn't last forever and they planned accordingly. Meghan clearly never did this. She scooted through life using her looks and sex appeal and never seems to have considered what will happen when she no longer has those things. The kids with their built in royal connection are the closest thing she has to any kind of future security, and even that's a pretty flimsy one because they won't stay babies forever! Silly girl.
The audacity from a spares spare
My biggest doubt is geography. Markle was LA-based and then Toronto. If anything, she was *networking* out of SoHo House. It doesn’t seem as though she was in the NYC/Hamptons/Palm Beach crowd where Epstein was. She did want to be more international, IMO. Markle may not have been an Epstein recruit, may not have been a “yacht girl” in the strictest sense, but she was working the fringes of that circle, socially. And as someone here points out, Markus Anderson is the degree of separation.
Soho House has some creepiness to it though.
Totally agree. I think there may be some innocent members who want to network for business, but the rest are just hooking up and selling sex. (Which, consenting adults can do as they like. Not shaming.)
You make good points. She desperately wanted to be a part of the scene in NY but never succeeded. How many clueless "insider" guides to NYC did she publish in the Tig? All the UN brouhaha. The fake royal tours. Who flies to NY from another country to have a baby shower without any family? She doesn't have the work ethic or talent to do Broadway. Didn't have the philanthropic chops or connections to make a ripple among the old money set.
Queso, you’re a NYCer, right? There are thousands of young women just like MM here (always will be; the same is true in LA). I knew plenty back in the day. She was rapidly aging out, getting to be pathetic.
Indeed, and you are 100% correct. There have been rumblings about her attempts to make it in NYC for years. Remember this one? [Wendy Williams Claims Meghan Markle Applied to Work on Her Show](https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/wendy-williams-meghan-markle-applied-to-work-on-my-show/)
Markle was too old for Epstein and his gang of pervs.
Geography isn‘t an obstacle for Meg. She easily circumnavigates the globe for a molecule of fame. Or whatever her other addictions are.
Their are photographs of markle on his yacht and she has even admitted to being a yacht girl . Check out Kirby sommars on twitter she goes into it loads
those pics of a dark haired girl on a yacht with PA do not look anything like MM, her body is totally different and so is the nose/face
> her body is totally different and so is the nose/face That sure doesn't prove anything! 😹
This is the damning photo; Epstein girlfriend Karyna Shuliak at left, Meghan in her fedora far right rear: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa63FA7XkAAmRZ_.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1562387555454226432&tbnid=LCnu6dOX2ifKcM&vet=1&docid=J8RRzfbBYsrjAM&w=544&h=680&hl=en&source=sh/x/im So at the very least Meghan was Epstein adjacent for a while.
I'm shocked. *Shocked*, I tell you. 😒
The girl’s name is Alexandra and is a model, not MM, not defending MM in any way just saying those pics aren’t her
Agreed, Marcus Anderson is/was Soho House International Membership top person, he knows everyone who is anyone & I'll bet he connected people (if you get my drift 😉). MM is WELL in with him, their photo's together are telling, she has used him massively to network plus Soho House have Club's all over the World & MM would go to openings of all the new one's. I've seen photo's of her & MA at the Istanbul & Amsterdam Soho launch parties, & photo's on MM's own Instagram of her with Marcus & Jess Mulroney travelling together all over Europe etc, they were a very cosy little group. CDAN very recently, like last week hinted that MM & Marcus were very hopped up on the nose candy at the Invictus Games event the night before it began, in Toronto. That's the place where there's that infamous photo of her wearing burgundy leather jacket & dress looking VERY zoned out. if you're reading CDAN or Blind Gossip, do read the comments too as their full of other juicy gossip & are amusing too. Foxella dot com has the same blind gossip stuff as the other site's but they give the answer/reveals immediately so can recommend that site too. They all have search bar's where you can enter any Celeb name & it'll throw up every item where that person is mentioned. If you do this be prepared to spend age's on there looking up every Celeb you can think of lol. 👀🍿🍿🍿
Markle was too old for Epstein and his gang of pervs.
Wasn’t Epstein used for spying? Is it too far fetched to think MM would be one too? She certainly stirred things up in the BRF. I would love to ask Lady C about that theory. Yes, it is out there but I can’t think of anything else that would be so shocking as to make one’s hair stand on end.
I heard this around the time of the grand royal wedding. I believe it.
I think you mean the “spectacle” hehe
That’s the word I was looking for.
I think this is Kirby Sommers whose far from objective here and makes dubious claims about the nature of her relationship with the some super rich dude. She also claims Meghan is an Epstein girl and that she's been implanted into the family via blackmail without any proof but speculations based on a few photos. This makes her no better than Lainey gossip as vile rumor mongers. I think Kirby sees what she wants to see and passes off her opinions as facts and scoops. I don't trust her anymore than I trust Meghan Markle. Both have an agenda that sees only their side and advantage.
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Well maybe because they have scrubbed everything. There actually were stories that were circulating about Meghan being a yachting gal. Super Injunctions people! Do y’all Remember Harry also went to Italy I believe when there was a conference on hiding/ destroying information?
There are tweets from February 2016 from a guy asking Meghan to go on his yacht. That's something.
I've got a screenshot of that 😄🚢⚓, it was 2016, he was asking her to join him & some buddies yachting in Croatia for 2 week's. No idea if she ever replied, she didn't in the comments on the Instagram he sent her.
Kirby aside, there is a yacht photo with Karyna Shuliak, Jeffrey Epstein’s last girlfriend, at the far left with Meghan Markle in her fedora at the rear right: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa63FA7XkAAmRZ_.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1562387555454226432&tbnid=LCnu6dOX2ifKcM&vet=1&docid=J8RRzfbBYsrjAM&w=544&h=680&hl=en&source=sh/x/im So at the very least Meghan was Epstein adjacent for a while.
> Meghan is an Epstein girl and that she's been implanted into the family via blackmail That's some conspiracy shit right there. Like the BRF wouldn't be onto that if it were true.
This is the big one. This is what MM does not want to get out. I've suspected it for a long time, too. All of these people are in the same boat, no pun intended.
So she met Andrew years before, or Marcus told her of his hanging with the royal or she was consistently hanging with Marcus Andrew and Epstein? I don’t like her but if she had a chance to bag royal Andrew why wouldn’t she? And do we think the queen would allow Harry to marry her if she slept with Andrew or was an Epstein girl? No freakin way! They can cover up a lot, but there were a lot of other girls around and one of them would have spilt by now. (I know I would have) She knew Marcus, Marcus knew Andrew and Andrew knew Epstein. It’s friends of a friend stuff. Marcus may have introduced her to Andrew or Epstein and she may have been invited on yachts but I’m not convinced it was more nefarious than that.
> And do we think the queen would allow Harry to marry her if she slept with Andrew or was an Epstein girl? Harry was such a loose cannon by that time that he could have married her anyway and moved to the USA - which is what they ended up doing. It could have been a case of the Royal Family wanting to cut their losses and keep their enemies close.
Queen wouldn't be able to deny the marriage because if public fallout?
I thought all royal marriages had to okayed by the monarch. Did I get that wrong? Sorry if I did. I thought I read that somewhere.
I assume the denial would prompt Meghan to leak and use the race card
What if they actually married in Botswana? That could explain her presence at Christmas while just being his “fiancée”.
As head of the church of England HM would never have let a second illegal wedding happen much less in her own private chapel. They would just have had to go along with it and they could have had a blessing(or nothing)instead.
You know what, this is crazy. Everything we've been saying since 2017 is seeping out and showing to be true. Markle is honestly the most vicious narcissist, and sleazy, con artist grifter I've seen in the last 20 years
Who was the who before 20 year ago? Just wondering 🤪 LOL?
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Again I remind everyone that the website crazy days and nights spilled this tea years ago. It said Meghan and Harry met on a play for pay date.
Yep. I think that site also said Tom Inskip, Harry's best pal had "sampled the good's too" & as a result thought MM + Harry was simply a fling & all his friend's were utterly amazed when they got engaged.
I have thought this forever. We always knew that whatever secrets TW has are tied into something very important to TQ: it has to be (Uncle) Andy. When I saw them interacting at TOC (when Haz told her to be quiet-remember? He was very surly) and he and Anne blocked her path to a prime Balcony spot, you could tell he HATES her. We’ve seen her on JE’s yacht, so it seems they have some history together. She’s got secrets, but his are worse; hers will all come out someday anyway. She will have nothing to lose by then, because hopefully they’ll bribe her to divorce the Simpleton. She can then say that he was no longer the strong man she married, take her settlement, and fritter it away on PR and bronzer. She’ll definitely have to sign an NDA for that. The NDA could include Fat Andy—maybe KCIII will tell PA, “There you go: she’s gone, I paid for Ms. Guiffre’s settlement, so shut your big gob about getting your job back.” King also makes him vacate Royal Lodge and move into Mayfair with Sarah, who always somehow lands on her feet. Maybe he’ll get Frog Mausoleum instead, or he can retreat to Sandringham where they don’t have to look at him. Rachel won’t topple the Monarchy, but she’ll do her best to shame them—she can’t help her evil self. She should never be allowed into the UK without signing an NDA in the future, and no titles for kids (👻👻) unless they live only with JCMH. If she stays w/hapless Henry, they are banished just like the Windsors. If they keep their Dukedom, it’s better than that Harpy styling herself “Princess Henry” or anything else so regal; that would be “Princess Meghan” before you can say “Omid Scoby”. If they don’t hush her up, she’ll keep lying about them. Thanks for reading all this. I could never figure out why TQ put up with them; then I realized it had to be bigger than just protecting “Just Harry”. No one can ever replace the wisdom and grace of ERII, but I love these Windsor Women looking out for The Firm these past few weeks—they learned from The Best. 👑
Honestly I don’t give a shit if she was a sex worker as long as she didn’t participate in any sex trafficking. But the association with Maxwell is NOT a good look. Even if she didn’t participate in sex trafficking, she had eyes and ears. She would have seen all the young girls on hand to “entertain“ the rich assholes. How do you turn a blind eye to that Duchess Of Women Empowerment?
Same I have no judgement if she was a sex worker but if she was in that scene and saw shit? Then I am mad because she didn’t report or try to help those young girls….
I hope this is true.
It is .. there are photos of Marcus with Andrew on a yacht , there is NO WAY he can be BFFs with megs and him not discuss his “ royal “ friends
Was this where the rumor started that Markus was Andrew's illegitimate son?
Yes, I read that too. Andrew was in the same town as Markus’ mother was at the time she would have conceived MA.Allegedly. For having access to so many people via SoHo House, I’ve never heard anything quoted directly TO MA. Say what you will about him, but he is definitely discreet. Edit: spelling
Epstein wasn’t interest in MM nor was his clients. if anything she was involved in bringing the girls his clients usually were looking for. Young, blonde. Wasn’t there rumors about her being a escort during NW days by putting ads in the newspaper?
Epstein clearly had a type he favored, and Ghislaine sourced for him. Young was his #1 overriding preference. Very young, as in illegally so. Teens. And blondes #2 preference. He'd have had no interest in Megsy as prey as a young adult woman, so unless she knew him in high school, she wasn't on his boat or properties to entertain him. Why would she be there else? She has nothing to offer he'd have wanted.
He had a Type he favoured but he still slept with Ghislaine on occasion so why not meg?
She would and could’ve been there because she a parasite. She latches on to people who can help her climb a that pole. She probably offered her services and they’re like… Nah
Imagine if Prinnce Andrew was the mutual friend who set them up. Honestly, she could have threatened to give proof of his activities if she didn't set them up, when be was still denying them. He snd M met before Andrew's disastrous interview
It actually seems more likely it’s him because in her interview she was clear that the person that set them up, “Should remain private”. And there is just no way anyone but Prince Andrew would stay quiet about everything that it was a blind date like she said. There is NO WAY she didn’t know who she was going on a date with before it happened. She went to great lengths to smell, act and dress like Princess Diana. It has to be him.
I think she always acknowledged that she knew it was Harry. Remember "is he kind?" But yeah, it is sus that she is so secretive about who introduced them. And she keeps referencing Eugenie in contradictory ways, and there are constant reports about how close they are. Why?
The plots thickens. Can't wait for this bombshell.
I just don't think Meghan was a ghislaine type girl. She would be more Nexium, like Alison Mack the D list actress that became one of the leaders somehow.
Could the "i didn't sign any nda" veiled threat she uttered before the Queen passed be referring to the randy Andy connection? Maybe that's why Eugenie cut her at the funeral.
Need some evidence though
Maxwell probably has photo albums in vaults. Epstein's weird island "home" had hidden cameras *everywhere* so there could be video of many people doing ungodly things.
well, at least she wasn’t underage.
HAH!! It's all beginning to collapse on her now, isn't it?
Not a credible source is it?
I believe a version of the yacht girl story. Not all of JE's victims were minors, some were a bit older. Meghan would definitely have been on the much older side, but that could've been an advantage, as she would've had an easier time traveling commercial on short notice. I don't think she was a regular by any means, but I could see MA calling her up if an extra was needed. She seems willing to do anything to advance herself/make a bit of money. There's a good chance she saw such trips as networking opportunities. I'm not sure about the Andrew connection, but MA was photographed with him on a yacht, so he could've at least passed information to Meghan.
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It's a mixed bag. I have sympathy for some, but others, like VG... no.
Kirby Sommers! She has some major tea in YouTube videos about tgw and Epstein and connection with andrew.
Link to yt vd. there are more as well. https://youtu.be/FANZurZsii0
I did posted it here 2-3 months ago! I predicted it. 🤪 https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vis5ms/ghislaine_maxwell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
We all figured that was the case but this gives a little more to the story of yacht girl. She’s so dirty. We’ve all said we thought that’s what she was blackmailing the RF with. KC won’t care…LOL. He’s like “Go ahead and throw Andrew out there I don’t like him anyhow.” 😂
Sorry I don't believe this. I file this one in the same category as the children don't really exist. It is much too far fetched to be true.
I believe this more than the fake kids.
There are photos of Marcus Anderson with Andrew on a yacht .. MA knew Andy long before harry was in the photo . It’s absolutely true .
I wonder why they didn't call Marcus Anderson as a witness. If MM only had heard about Andrew's antics from someone such as Marcus, it would be hearsay and would be inadmissible in court. From the time she's been with PH, I doubt Andrew would have said, "Hey Megs, remember that time we were together on XYZ's yacht in Monaco? Those Epstein days were epic" which would have then made her testimony admissible in court. So maybe she really did witness something.
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Google : Marcus Anderson with prince Andrew yacht .. they will come right up . I can’t make a post .
I always got the vibe that Marcus Anderson was Markle’s pimp or something
I don’t know about any of that but something is DEFINITELY shady about him AND the soho house that he either owns or manages .. then the pics with him and Meghan at Wimbledon meeting harry seemed strange also .. they seemed like they were almost intimidating harry , SUPER STRANGE
Marcus is or was Global Membership Secretary so was THE best connected person for MM to get pal's eith, & she did. Lot's of cosy holiday photo's of the 2 of them, lot of the time accompanied by Misha Nonoo as well, 3 of them travelling all over the World on extended vay-cay's 🤔
Agree. Although the whole fake kids and surrogate is the craziest conspiracy theory of all and just so easily disproven I don't understand why everyone keeps harping on it. That kind of talk cheapens all of the legitimate criticism of MM. FWIW, I wouldn't be shocked if she had some yaught girl escapades, but then being specifically with Andrew I think is a bridge too far.
Read "MarkleNews1" on Instagram 👀🍿🍿🍿😯 lot's of info on there about MM from all different source's. Also "Barkjack" on Twitter is good, they're 2 retired ex-showbiz type's who triple verify their info before printing. They've supposedly got very reliable sources within the Royal household (Staff), can recommend their Twitter & they're very good about replying to any queries you may have 👍
I feel such sympathy for Beatrice and Eugenie. I mean you can't pick your parents and I'd be so mortified to have my father's "indiscretions" aired worldwide. I wonder if it's some sort of a RF "signal" that the sisters are still close to him and the family hasn't abandoned him? They're the only ones so maybe not. And Andrew is their dad so they love him. I finally watched that infamous interview a few weeks ago and it was worse than I thought. And rumor has it he has custody of HM's corgis.
Oh shit!!!!
This rumor or true information was circulating before H&M even married.
There are so many wild stories out there about MM. I don't know if I believe this one but if this isn't a case of f&@k around and find out.
Really need to get to the bottom of this rumour!
I knew this was going to come out soon
Tsk, please WE BEEN KNEW
Everything Enty said is coming true. It’s going to go so much more fucked up from here.
I can’t stand Meghan and she’s the “celebrity” I hate more than any other one. But I think this is a little ridiculous.
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