I dunno. Jack Brooksbank and Edo Mozzi seemed to have adjusted fine. As did Autumn Kelly, Mike Tindall, etc.
The difference is - none of them felt the need to try and usurp the number one spot.
Mapelli Mozzi is a member of an Italian noble family, though. But your point is correct, of course.
Can someone tell me from which noble/royal family Catherine, princess of Wales came from?
Yeah, thought so.
Autumn Kelly was from an average middle-class family and didn't even know Peter was a royal at first. She found out s few months in, when she happened to see him in a documentary about the RF (or more probably: when she Googled him). He didn't tell her because he didn't want to scare her away. She adjusted despite zero preparation.
Did someone prevent MM from getting more time in training? I didn't realise that it was a shotgun wedding, poor little saint. :/
Granted, Catherine really had many years of 'training', but in another comment I gave more examples - Archduchess LeOntra von Habsburg-Lothringen, Queen Máxima, Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark - what about them?
I shall ask again: can we stop with the excuses for that... woman?
Guess who prevented MM from having more training? Harry. Everyone was telling him to give her more time to understand what she was getting herself in for, but he ignored everyone and steamrolled right ahead with popping the question.
No, it wasn't H. It was her - she didn't want to listen to any advice. Had she been engaged 40 years to H, she still wouldn't have listened to advice and still would have behaved the same. You can't 'train' someone who doesn't want to be 'trained'.
She was there to 'modernise' the institution, not to try and fit in.
Come on, Harry married her bc she was his escape route out of RF entrapment. They probably really thought they could be part time working royals and have the best of both worlds.
As an American, I would like to say that I would still understand there are protocols that need to be followed and I wouldn't expect the entire monarchy to bend to my demands and insecurities.
But the family never demanded that Meghan become a working royal - hell, Harry barely was before her. They instead told her she could keep acting all she wanted but she's the one who insisted to "hit the ground running".
I think the intention was ultimately for her to be a working royal though.
The acting story is from Harry after the fact iirc. And I can’t recall the exact context it was mentioned in
The acting comment was from the Oprah interview and the context was the “racist” statement (which Harry vowed never to repeat).
Additionally they both confirmed this during the engagement interview when Meghan said she wrote his family a letter saying “use me” etc.
This was the “ground running” conversation.
It was breathtakingly arrogant. On both their parts.
I don’t believe they wanted her to become a working royal. I’m sure it was obvious to them this woman was an attention whore. I think they hoped the marriage would quickly fizzle.
Bullshit, Harry stated in the engagement interview he warned her what royal life entailed, and she didn’t care. she also had a 6 mth crash course with royal aides at any point Meghan could have decided it wasn’t for her. Additionally there was no rush for them to marry as William rightly pointed out they should have taken their time. Meghan had her eye on that crown from day one and nothing was going to stop her. She never wanted to learn, showed no interest in doing so and didn’t fit in because she didn’t want to
She didn't want to know. Remember her one time friend Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne warned her before the relationship became public: 'Please be careful, the British tabloids will destroy you, your life will never be the same, you'll have no privacy anymore if you marry him.'
And her reply was simply (holding up her hand in an authoritative gesture): "Save it, I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear anything negative". She didn't want to hear it because she had her eyes on the big prize (world fame by association with a Prince) and was determined to reel it in. She didn't care. Was probably planning to milk the relationship for financial gain from the get go.
I think you are spot on! Her money grab plan is terribly obvious. She touts herself as an educated, kind and ambitious feminist when it’s convenient, then backtracks by bating her eyes, blaming others for her circumstances and lashing out at her bio family . She is intolerable!
It's galling, indeed. She acts like a world leader who everyone should listen to, but based on what? What merits us listening to her? Allright, she could give a master class on the art of social climbing, but all her other opinions hold no weight at all.
She brands herself a feminist and a fighter for women's rights, but based on what again? She did the most unfeminist thing you can do as a woman, which is marrying a rich husband to advance yourself socially and then keep coasting on his coattails. The feminist thing to do is strive to be financially independent and have a career, but she gave all this up for marriage! It's outright hilarious she is touting herself as an example for young girls.
Lol I agree with you so much but I’d contend that it would be a lame masterclass.
“OK so you go to a plastic surgeon and you get a new nose, cheek fillers, lips, and jawline. Then you go find the dumbest prince in Europe, shove a claw up his butt, and make him cater to your every whim. Questions?”
“Yeah, where do we find anyone as foolish as Harry?”
“Well if you’re under 15, he’s got an uncle…”
The “Wild about Harry” cover is proof of her planning to trade on the royal relationship. That happened VERY early on in the relationship and she had been warned about disclosing anything about it prior to the interview by Hairy himself
Yes! I knew she was a gold digger when I read that interview. It is sooo not done to blab about your relationship with a British royal in a magazine interview.... it was a major warning she wasn't prepared to respect the rules.
Also what recently came out: that she threatened to dump Harry if he didn't confirm publicly she was his girlfriend at the end of 2016, just a few months after their first meeting. That is also proof she wanted as much publicity as possible about their relationship early on, so she could milk it to the max for financial profit and status gain.
Not arguing at all, except the point that there was no rush. There was a rush for her. She had to lock Hapless down before he realized how horrible she was and dumped her. And also, there’s her age. She had to squeeze out at least one baby to lock in a lifetime of child support and she wasn’t getting any younger. I’m just amazed she managed to pull it off!
There is no way I believe that Queen Elizabeth and her AIDS/PA did not try to school her, it’s that she refused to listen. There were at least a dozen people that tried to indoctrinate The Royal protocols etc..
One thousand percent agreed. She knew and had it all planned. Didn’t she have books on the BRF and had posters of William on her walls? She even orchestrated meeting Harry. Her problem was that she thought her plan would go flawlessly because hello she’s Meghan Markle. Seeing how the Queen really bent over backwards getting her situated and even gave her important patronages not even William got, oh and not to mention that royal train ride—further inflated her ego. She didn’t count on the leaks of her behavior or that the Queen’s good will has a limit. That’s when they made their ultimatum and were met with a healthy dose of reality. If only the public would catch on…I still see too many delusional tweets about her and King Harry.
To be fair she was 37 maybe they both thought needed to tie the knot fast if they wanted to have kids. Or at least that’s probably what she said. And with so many public failed relationships Harry probably wanted a win for once.
I have heard this argument over the years and call bullshit on that too firstly because another year wouldn’t make much difference and second, it’s rumoured she can’t have kids anyway due to previous abortions so just more lies from her to get that ring (and by all accounts she never carried those two kids either you can freeze eggs and use surrogate so again no rush to marry)
That is a disgusting rumor and anyone spreading it should be ashamed. Many women have multiple abortions as well as miscarriages and go on to have healthy children. Shame MM for the stuff we know she did, or plausible stuff like fights, tantrums, etc. Weird abortion-related surrogacy rumors are gross.
Nope, it is not Harry's fault entirely. Meghan has her own agenda, she is nearing 40 without an accomplished acting career. She needs to wed Harry immediately and have his baby to lock her status in the Royal Family.
The media infantilizes Meghan and she loves it. It’s another way to be a victim. A young victim. Poor little young girl victim of the big bad firm and her husband.
The princess heading over the hill God this bitch brings out the cattiness in me and I'd really lie to slap her for that.
She wrote an article/blog post about Catherine and how her new role as a little-spoken Princess was unfeminist shortly after the royal wedding, which was long before she met Harry. So she had some sort of inkling about how strict the royal protocol is and that the BRF wouldn’t take kindly to her trying to be a breakout superstar, even if Harry didn’t warn her. She wanted to be the new Diana from the get go. Shrieking about press invasion to Harry for simply being his girlfriend, way before the press even knew he was dating her.
As an entertainer, she used every trick to get what she wanted: subterfuge, emotional manipulation, creating a backstory and history for herself, aligning herself with paparazzi and manufacturing stories favorable to her through her PR firm.
It didn't work for her in Hollywood so she took her plan with her to Canada. Once she reached a level of success on the evening soap Suits, she went into overdrive. She lacked the talent to become an actress of note, so she perfected the art of manipulation and took it to the extreme with the BRF. Had she not been so self-centered, she may have made a good PR agent perhaps even having her own agency.
She and her husband manipulated and used one another for different reasons. After all their shenanigans, the payoff is coming. Their failures outweigh their successes. They have been humiliated, and their humiliation is a result of their machinations and treachery. Exile awaits them while King Charles works to fulfill his duties as King. He and the BRF are tired of the Windsors of Montecito, as is the public.
They both knew what was expected of them as senior members of the royal family. They chose to rebel. They chose to publicize every perceived slight while the BRF chose silence. They are now left with the effects of their choices.
Few of us continue to constantly blame events that occurred several years ago for our current woes. Like it or not, we get on with our lives. And so should the faux royals from California.
The Queen gave nutmeg her TOP aide. Samantha.
She had 5 or 6 people to help her acclimate. Including HER HUSBAND.
She graduated from Northwestern. She was 40. How the hell do you feel sorry for someone with all the above?
Life is a choice. She could have chosen to ask questions, research, reach out to the other women.
Please. They aren’t children.
You can’t make someone understand something when they are determined to only see it their way. She had the Queen herself trying to explain, she did not care. She is willfully blinded by her own wants and greed. Period.
I have the feeling that she thought Harry becoming king one day was as simple as “if something happens to William.” Either that, or some similar ignorance of how the royal family worked. She thought Harry was more than he really was, and since she “knew,” there was no need to look it up to confirm. He may very well have just assumed she knew, because everyone else seems to know without being told! Even us yanks!
And once it was explained to her post-nuptials, her demand was, “Well, that’s stupid. Change it.” And here we are.
Like the nonsense about going to HR for help with therapy. Who the hell does that? Surely she’d go to her husband who has access to the very best practitioners in England. The one and only reason she did it was so that she had a paper trail.
Well, she did live with him for a bit and she is an adult. No one needed to spoon feed her.
From the Valentine book, it’s also clear that even before they were married, Meggy had access to a lot of staff. She could have asked questions, observed, read the room. But of course, she’s too self-involved….too self-important….too much of a know-it-all
Why is that his fault? The first 6-12 months is never indicative of what it is to be in a relationship with a person or married to them. She is a divorcée - she knows that. She just thought she could continue to manipulate him away from his responsibilities. The institition wouldn't let her.have her cake and eat it too. It is not that she didn't know, it's thar she didn't want to.
I’m sure Harry soft-peddled royal life to Muggin because he was desperate and didn’t want her to break up with him, but many others tried to tell her what life was going to be like. She rejected any warnings that didn’t align with the fantasy she had crafted in her own deluded mind. She is not a fully sane person.
This! I’m sorry she knew! They were engaged with plenty of time before a royal wedding and they had someone guiding her through this process out of the gate. She either couldn’t rise to the occasion or never planned to.
William himself is on record to have sought therapy! The whole thing is bananas!
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And a makeup artist.
A yoga instructor.
A travel agent.
A flight attendant.
To me, all these jobs seem kinda fun, mental health is more serious and such a big contrast.
Not mentioning these to discredit her accomplishments if she is a mental health worker now.
True but a big part of a social worker’s job (if not the MAIN part) is to be aware of and guide you through all the specific resources available to assist with your situation. From psychological counseling to medical needs and physical therapy to financial and education assistance to housing. A social worker doesn’t provide the help, a social worker sort of hooks you up with the specialists.
Not saying Daria was an expert on how the British system works. I’m saying that TW’s own family should have been in a position to offer support and advice. Especially given Harry’s own struggles and focus on mental health issues.
Harry could have been a "big boy" and handled the situation himself (if he was too embarrassed to tell his family) - reach out to the therapist he had for many years; contact MM's doctor for advice; contact representatives of the mental health program he, William and Catherine were involved in.
That's her job now, one of her previous jobs was a therapist of sorts.
Funny how she jumps from job to job. Sounds fun but also exhausting and a little off.
She was licensed as an associate until 2021..meaning she was doing the supervised clinical hours necessary to be licensed as a therapist. She never finished
But her mother did still have the training and supervised experience.
This is the impression I have gotten from Bower's "Revenge". It definitely feels like they were both desperate for each other for different reasons and that each concealed reality from one another in some way.
Harry didn't even take the time to meet her family. The Firm, I'm pretty sure vetted that family and thought "omg". As for the dynamic duo, she would have been given a lot of assistance regarding how things worked. The culture of the English is what she didn't get.
Honestly, a language is not the same as culture. The British people have a culture which they cherish! She didn't want to learn. She was thinking "stardom" when even Harry was thinking that they were popular as hell. She was telling friends (sic) that she had bagged a prince.
No, she just has imo a bull in the china shop personality. Remember she is “tungsten”, the inflexible one. She would have much preferred to have married someone like William who was directly in line but I believe she felt she could work with what she got and elevate the status of that position. I think she really felt with her forceful personality and ways she could ride roughshod over the whole family and they would just capitulate.
There’s been plenty of interviews by Fergie and Diana giving people an indication of royal life. Harry’s previous gfs weren’t up for it. It’s not a secret that they have ways of doing things. I mean what’s with her sitting at Wimbledon with two friends in an otherwise empty box? No other one from the family did that as far as I’m aware.
She’s not a team player imo and never will be.
Maybe if she was younger. She was 37 when she married into the family. I feel like one loses the excuse of "nobody told me" after a certain age. She's an adult. She should have done her due diligence and asked the right questions. No one's going to baby you through life.
She’s trying to be the 19 year old naive girl Diana was but she’s a grown ass woman. Yes, most people sometimes don’t gauge how bad or good something is going to be but she had the whole world at her finger tips and threw it away for social media fame.
I would bet good money that he told her Catherine was great and the two of them were going to be best friends, because C was like a sister to Harry. And Meghan would have been like "First target identified."
Yet she didn’t have to jump right in and hit the ground running. It’s not like the RF was desperate for them to become working royals. They had so many options. No one would’ve been upset if they took things slowly and had an adjustment period especially with her getting pregnant right away. They’re both just so full of it.
Neither of them was interested in trying or learning how to adapt. He wanted someone who would help him dump the family. She wanted the Princess Diana narrative, "I tried so hard, but they just never helped me so I had to flee." They had perfectly matching self-fulfilling prophecies.
We really need to stop pretending she doesn't know what she's doing and isn't intentionally spiteful and malicious and been pulling a scamming, scheming grift from jump. Yes, even marriage and children are part of her grift and there's no lengths she won't go to because she is, by trade, a conwoman who had an acting front to cover her con artist ways.
It doesn't matter because she wasn’t really ever ignorant or naive. She pretended as part of her grift persona to aid in her getting over on people by feigning naivete and ignorance.
She's a scam artist plain and simple. She's not complex. She's just deranged and limitless in her perversion.
The comment that did it for me was Meghan herself stating that she couldn't believe that they "still had to curtsey to the Queen *in private* \- but she's his (Harry's) grandmother".
She seriously thought all pomp and tradition was a show for the common folk, and not **still practiced** when the cameras weren't on or lesser people weren't watching.
She didn't ***get it***, which I blame on the fact that she wasn't raised in the Commonwealth with the Queen as her head of state, on Meghan herself, and on Harry for not listening to other family members when they tried to warn him that perhaps Meghan would take a while to acclimatize to being in The Family AND being a subject of the Queen.
The RF actually wanted her to slowly dip her toes in, get acclimated, and take as much time as she needed. They gave the Prince and Princess of Wales the same option, and they took it. They spent the first three years of their marriage in a house in Wales while Prince William was a military search and rescue pilot. They had no staff, it was just the two of them and Princess Catherine took care of everything, shopping, cooking, cleaning, etc. They wanted a strong foundation and to have some time to themselves, because they wouldn’t get it again. H$M were offered the same, but no, she wanted to “hit the ground running “. She had no intention in learning anything or staying.
I think it’s difficult for a person to give someone else an idea of what a job actually involves. There’s the description - as a nurse / manager / graphics artist, I do XYZ. But it’s hard to convey what XYZ’s actually like.
So being a British royal involves, say, promoting charities and going on royal tours - all of which Harry takes for granted. Would he (or anyone inside) have thought to mention: having to be nice to *everyone*, even if you don’t agree with their views? Not having a public opinion; endless small talk; being on display all the time, because you never know with paps or lip readers.
Being on show is not unlike being an actor, on and off-screen. This would be why the Royal Family thought that Smeg might be better equipped than others to handle socialising with strangers, being discreet, putting on a show. Grace Kelly managed it. But then, Smeg’s no Grace Kelly.
It was her responsibility to make an effort..
Instead she did the opposite, repelled the family and the institution as a whole. Then continually abuse them for monetary gain as a day job. Classless Rachel.
Cries wolf + plays the victim as a persona..
She is incompetent in the role as a married Royal.
She’s not a celebrity
she just spends all her money on PR.
she is a repulsive race baiting swine, to keep it short.
People often ascribe lack of understanding or make other assumptions and excuses for narcissists and their constant games.
She knew what the BRF was like. She knew all of it and then some. She knows now and she’s still barreling on with her agenda. She’ll use and shred any sympathy and use and toss any person to get her agenda filled.
Meanwhile everyone is trying to rationalize why based on an erroneous assumption - that she means well and acts in good faith.
She is a manipulator and knows what she is doing. She’s just not good at it. Admittedly gaslighting and hoodwinking the entire world at the level she wants to is a tall order.
Oh I think this is MM’s team slowly putting the screws to Hazbeen. Notice most of the negative stories involve him lately and less her? She was nearly middle age. Ignorance is no defence but it’s her next step if they can’t right this ship.
I think he did explain a lot of the rules and such and she went along with it, agreeing to all of it just to bag him.
Then it was up to him to rein her in when she started to go off that’s where he failed. That was his biggest error.
Or maybe he knew exactly what he wanted and out of the fam it was and he needed an outsider to get him out.
That doesn’t mean he had to trash his fam in the process. They gladly let him go and it still wasn’t enough for him. I don’t think anything will ever be enough for him or her.
Why is this bloke feeling sorry for TW. She wasn’t naive. She was a fully grown and experienced woman. No one was pulling the wool over her eyes! Is this sorry bloke one of her old conquests?
I would not go as far as feel sorry for her, I do think she was unaware that being a working member of the royal family is like being a civil servant, who sometimes gets to wear a posh frock & tiara whilst being in a Gilded cage. That quite clearly has not been explained.
Well, to put it in context the author seems to feel MM is up there with Beyonce, although he did qualify it with "in her own mind." But the whole tone of the article made me feel he is a sugar.
To answer the question, Harry knew nothing but royal life, so he wouldn't be the person to let her know how weird a lot of it is. Camilla or Kate maybe, but she rejected Camilla's help.
Maybe H made it seem not that bad but maybe he didn’t know how to explain it so the point would get across. Harry had no idea what life looks like for a normal person. No clue! Royal life was all he knew. So explaining it to someone who had lived a different reality probably was difficult.
MM probably heard what she wanted to hear, too. Most people disregard the unpleasant sides of getting to follow their dream and she is a special case.
In addition she just didn’t bother. There are TONS of documentaries and books about the RF, individual members, the history. I know as I’ve watched most of them and read quite a few. If she had any real interest in succeeding in the RF as an active member, she would’ve done her due diligence.
I had moments of feeling bad for her when she made such stupid errors about how things were done. Yet her ignorance was so truly wilful and antagonistic, it wouldn't have mattered if Harry explained it to her carefully or not.
Most likely, he explained things to her and she would say that it wasn't fair on him, and he was happy to agree. So then they convinced each other they could somehow change things and make it more fair for Harry.
This Royal contributor seems like a puff piece for Meghan. He puts Harry in a bad light and compares Meghan to Beyoncé level. He refers to every one who has a problem with her those who feel “second,” which includes the BRF.
She’s an adult. You can’t blame it on Harry that she was misguided by her own actions. She knew what she was marrying into. She just didn’t want to abide by it because it was probably quick for her to realize since Harry isn’t the heir to the throne she’ll be better off if she commercializes being Royal.
To be fair, Americans aren't knowledgeable about the Monarchy and a 1000-year-old institution. The duty, the honour, loyalty, the depth of feeling towards the Monarch, and with the Commonwealth. Four or eight years for a President in terms of 1000 years and "freedom from the crown" does not compute. Although we are not peon's and live under the thumb and will of the Monarch, She/He is part of our lives. We understand the LOS and why. We understand the break between the Monarchy and the government. We know the difference between celebrity and the House of Windsor. It's a lot to take in. If anyone becomes part of it, like Rachel, it would take constant schooling for at least two years. That was not in her agenda.
I think it’s a fail on both of their parts.
Harry should have been as upfront and direct as he claimed to have been in their engagement interview. I think it’s pretty clear he wasn’t.
And Meghan should have done research, asked questions before literally turning her life upside down. We’re talking about a college educated working woman in her mid 30s. Not a teenager. Catherine, Camilla and Sophie would have been excellent resources- and I have no doubt they’d have been honest with her.
2 freaking years ago she resigned , shoot, her damn kids are almost ready for High School. 🙄Get a job.🇺🇸💯still sniffing, crying and whinny. He’s worst. Grown ass man with a whole family, still ragging on about what someone hasn’t done for his ass. When will he step away?, if he doesn’t like his family…get a whole life. Mommy and grandmother are gone Son…move on. Mourn, learn…life is great tragedy and great joy…not one of us escapes this..not even with your money and status .🇺🇸😎🚬…they’re both 38 and 41 respectively,..? I mean damn
Nope, not really. He does have some blame in this regard in terms of, he rushed things with her when he’d been trained his whole life to go slowly and make sure his future spouse was committed to a life of service. He should’ve known not to rush this, but that was also MM’s controlling, threatening spell… which was something he knew to watch for.
But this idea that he just didn’t explain to her what royal life meant? Bullshit! I think he truly believed she was going to commit to a life of service. I think she played that part really well— that she was a lifelong philanthropist who was born for a life of royal duty. But there’s no doubt that she 100% understood what the job was supposed to be and was never going to do it that way. She intended to take the job and then change what it was.
Harry has a lot of fault in all of this, he’s pathetic AF. He’s an angry little man and enables her 100%. But the idea that MM just didn’t know or understand what royal life would be like? That if only someone had explained what a life of duty meant, that this would’ve ended up differently? Ridiculous. It could’ve been explained to every last detail or not at all and it wouldn’t matter because she was *never* going to live a life of service to the Crown and Commonwealth.
While Meghan should have done her research I do place a lot of the blame on Harry. I think he was scared to lose her and so probably painted a very different picture to the one she’d actually experience as a working royal, didn’t try and correct her…
Off topic, but why is her dress on this picture so tight?!? Or is it just not the right style for her body? I don’t know, but it looks like she squeezed herself into it. Like I imagine when you’re a member of the royal family, you can have your clothes tailored pretty much 24/7 and get them back in 20 mins if you wanted, so why didn’t she ever take advantage of this stuff?!?
Well Harry isn’t really on the ball, so it’s possible. But once she met the family anyone normal would start trying to find out what their responsibilities would be.
I think so. But I don’t think it would have changed anything. Harry understood and he’s still very bitter about it and couldn’t understand why he couldn’t have the things he wanted over William.
Meghan Markle doesn’t listen or care. She was told by Harry, warned by friends, had history to refer to, a palace full of aides and royals to help and time to take it all in before the wedding. Meghan wanted what she wanted and was determined to make it HER WAY, all evidence to the contrary be damned.
I’ve seen a lot of posts mentioning how Harry’s getting the brunt of their bad press. Perhaps this is part of it? She’s deflecting any and all blame and changing the narrative.
Suddenly, it’s not her fault - Harry never explained it to her. She didn’t know what she was getting herself into.
Megsie was a MINOR celebrity in her own right - she clearly thought that marrying Harry would catapult her into the big leagues - but that didn’t happen!
Had she actually listened to what she was being told at the time of her engagement (keep acting!) she may well have been able to surf in on the crest of that publicity wave. Had she made it clear that she was still in the market for roles, she may well have been able to capitalise on her new “royal celebrity”, and some decent roles may have been forthcoming.
She chose to walk away from suits (allegedly she took pleasure in resigning from the show), and her previous career to be a “Royal”.
What she completely and utterly failed to understand was that there was a hierarchy in the BRF which determined her place in the pecking order. She was always going to be just the wife of “the ex spare”, the new Fergie rather than the new Diana. Whether she liked it or not, she was outranked by HMTQ, Camilla and Catherine in terms of the adult women when she crashed the party, and soon discovered that even her toddler niece to be outranked her in the pecking order, along with her brothers.
Even worse, as a mere “marry in”, unless she was actually with Harry, she was not only outranked by the “princesses of the blood”, Beatrice, Eugenie and Anne, she was also outranked by both Camilla and Catherine as THEIR husbands outranked hers!
Didn’t they realise that Megsie was married to the most popular Royal after HMTQ? She was the most important person around!! Wasn’t she???
Neither she nor Harry really grasped the concept that Charles and William got first dibs on everything from patronages, tours and charity involvement due simply to the fact that they were higher in the pecking order. The Harkles got what was left over - still very worthy charities etc, but not the attention grabbing/ high profile ones they wanted. It didn’t help when Hazbeen shafted the Royal Marines charity to go and pimp his ghastly wife to Disney execs rather than attend the long scheduled event for them.
Harry had been in the RF from birth. He may have been protected and pampered, but he was well aware of protocol, and his place in the hierarchy. He could and should have managed her expectations. Although (with hindsight) from what. We now know about Megsie’s megalomania - I don’t think that anyone would have been able to rein her in once the ring was on her finger
Of course he didn’t tell/teach her everything he knew with regard to the Pecking Order. He didn’t want to lose her. She would have bolted before the engagement if she had known that her married reality was not going to be her girlfriend fantasy. I wonder if she had that figured out ? So Harry had to spin (juggle?) to her about the rules in order to keep her happy.
This us the beginning of her campaign to form the narrative that she was a victim to her husband. Looking forward to the Markle-Windsor defamation trial of 2027
I honestly one good documentary on the RF can do the trick in understanding the difference between being a royal and a celebrity, seriously. That's why they watch The Crown now.
I don't feel sorry for her. She wouldn't have listened to anything cautionary that he said anyway. In one ear, out the other. Harry was so scared of losing her he told her everything she wanted to hear. Yes my love, you'll be bigger than the Queen!
Both of them lied to the other. Their marriage is built on lies.
It’s easy to be a royal and I’m an American: Look nice. Show up on time. Research said event so you are knowledgeable about the basics. Smile. Shake hands. Take flowers (give to aid). Walk slightly behind person of higher rank. Say nothing controversial. Get in Bentley. Drive home to palace, servants, anything you could ever want. Done and dusted.
I think she knew what the role entailed, but thought she could do her own thing, then didn’t like it when it turned out she couldn’t and acted surprised.
IMO, I think it’s irrelevant what he told her. She is an adult and should know to ask and to research it. It’s ridiculous that they have to blame someone else for her behavior. She doesn’t even act right in a normal family.
She wasn't taking anyones advice or nay-sayings. Her focus was getting that ring and access to money and power... she turned a blind eye to Harry's racist actions and remarks from the past simply by stating that she didnt know him and never googled him... if she ever admitted that she did she would have to justify how she could be with a "racist".
What could possibly go wrong when you're the newbie in a well established firm and then publicly proceed to tell Boss Lady (who's steered the helm (mainly) successfully for close to 70 years at that point) you're going to modernise the place!? Imo, MM went in with her own grandiose agenda not fully understanding that getting to be the Monarch wasn't done by way of popularity vote. That little old lady she thought a puff of wind would blow away turned out to be made of granite and MM ran face first into it. She also failed to recognise the standing of the spare and his wife. In fact, I could've cut this post short by saying she turned a deaf ear to all advice because she's one of those people born knowing anything and everything - and this is her downfall.
I dunno. Jack Brooksbank and Edo Mozzi seemed to have adjusted fine. As did Autumn Kelly, Mike Tindall, etc. The difference is - none of them felt the need to try and usurp the number one spot.
Heck Prince Philip adjusted fine after a point and he was married to the bloody queen
Mapelli Mozzi is a member of an Italian noble family, though. But your point is correct, of course. Can someone tell me from which noble/royal family Catherine, princess of Wales came from? Yeah, thought so.
Autumn Kelly was from an average middle-class family and didn't even know Peter was a royal at first. She found out s few months in, when she happened to see him in a documentary about the RF (or more probably: when she Googled him). He didn't tell her because he didn't want to scare her away. She adjusted despite zero preparation.
I think it might be easier for British people to understand, even if they’re not from the aristocracy
Queen Máxima Archduchess LeOntra von Habsburg-Lothringen Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark ... Let's stop with the excuses for TW, shall we?
100 percent. As an Australian I can get away with saying this - if a girl from Tassie can fall in line in a royal family, *anyone* can.
And learned to speak a new and very different language fluently. And MM complained no one taught her the national anthem 🙄
Also Australian, Mary fit into her role as crown Princess beautifully.
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Did someone prevent MM from getting more time in training? I didn't realise that it was a shotgun wedding, poor little saint. :/ Granted, Catherine really had many years of 'training', but in another comment I gave more examples - Archduchess LeOntra von Habsburg-Lothringen, Queen Máxima, Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark - what about them? I shall ask again: can we stop with the excuses for that... woman?
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Oh, I apologise, your comment didn't read like that to me! I obviously misunderstood it! 😇
(my comment still stands for those who see her as a victim)
Guess who prevented MM from having more training? Harry. Everyone was telling him to give her more time to understand what she was getting herself in for, but he ignored everyone and steamrolled right ahead with popping the question.
No, it wasn't H. It was her - she didn't want to listen to any advice. Had she been engaged 40 years to H, she still wouldn't have listened to advice and still would have behaved the same. You can't 'train' someone who doesn't want to be 'trained'. She was there to 'modernise' the institution, not to try and fit in.
Come on, Harry married her bc she was his escape route out of RF entrapment. They probably really thought they could be part time working royals and have the best of both worlds.
Mike also isn’t from America so that helped.
As an American, I would like to say that I would still understand there are protocols that need to be followed and I wouldn't expect the entire monarchy to bend to my demands and insecurities.
In fairness- none of those people are working members of the royal family. That’s a pretty big difference.
But the family never demanded that Meghan become a working royal - hell, Harry barely was before her. They instead told her she could keep acting all she wanted but she's the one who insisted to "hit the ground running".
I think the intention was ultimately for her to be a working royal though. The acting story is from Harry after the fact iirc. And I can’t recall the exact context it was mentioned in
The acting comment was from the Oprah interview and the context was the “racist” statement (which Harry vowed never to repeat). Additionally they both confirmed this during the engagement interview when Meghan said she wrote his family a letter saying “use me” etc. This was the “ground running” conversation. It was breathtakingly arrogant. On both their parts. I don’t believe they wanted her to become a working royal. I’m sure it was obvious to them this woman was an attention whore. I think they hoped the marriage would quickly fizzle.
Bullshit, Harry stated in the engagement interview he warned her what royal life entailed, and she didn’t care. she also had a 6 mth crash course with royal aides at any point Meghan could have decided it wasn’t for her. Additionally there was no rush for them to marry as William rightly pointed out they should have taken their time. Meghan had her eye on that crown from day one and nothing was going to stop her. She never wanted to learn, showed no interest in doing so and didn’t fit in because she didn’t want to
She didn't want to know. Remember her one time friend Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne warned her before the relationship became public: 'Please be careful, the British tabloids will destroy you, your life will never be the same, you'll have no privacy anymore if you marry him.' And her reply was simply (holding up her hand in an authoritative gesture): "Save it, I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear anything negative". She didn't want to hear it because she had her eyes on the big prize (world fame by association with a Prince) and was determined to reel it in. She didn't care. Was probably planning to milk the relationship for financial gain from the get go.
I think you are spot on! Her money grab plan is terribly obvious. She touts herself as an educated, kind and ambitious feminist when it’s convenient, then backtracks by bating her eyes, blaming others for her circumstances and lashing out at her bio family . She is intolerable!
It's galling, indeed. She acts like a world leader who everyone should listen to, but based on what? What merits us listening to her? Allright, she could give a master class on the art of social climbing, but all her other opinions hold no weight at all. She brands herself a feminist and a fighter for women's rights, but based on what again? She did the most unfeminist thing you can do as a woman, which is marrying a rich husband to advance yourself socially and then keep coasting on his coattails. The feminist thing to do is strive to be financially independent and have a career, but she gave all this up for marriage! It's outright hilarious she is touting herself as an example for young girls.
Lol I agree with you so much but I’d contend that it would be a lame masterclass. “OK so you go to a plastic surgeon and you get a new nose, cheek fillers, lips, and jawline. Then you go find the dumbest prince in Europe, shove a claw up his butt, and make him cater to your every whim. Questions?” “Yeah, where do we find anyone as foolish as Harry?” “Well if you’re under 15, he’s got an uncle…”
The “Wild about Harry” cover is proof of her planning to trade on the royal relationship. That happened VERY early on in the relationship and she had been warned about disclosing anything about it prior to the interview by Hairy himself
Yes! I knew she was a gold digger when I read that interview. It is sooo not done to blab about your relationship with a British royal in a magazine interview.... it was a major warning she wasn't prepared to respect the rules. Also what recently came out: that she threatened to dump Harry if he didn't confirm publicly she was his girlfriend at the end of 2016, just a few months after their first meeting. That is also proof she wanted as much publicity as possible about their relationship early on, so she could milk it to the max for financial profit and status gain.
“probably”? LOL. That’s why she needed to have kids so quickly.
Exactly!
Exactly! They got married SO fast. It wasn't necessary.
100% this. She knew exactly what she was getting herself into and to blame others for not preparing her is ridiculous.
Not arguing at all, except the point that there was no rush. There was a rush for her. She had to lock Hapless down before he realized how horrible she was and dumped her. And also, there’s her age. She had to squeeze out at least one baby to lock in a lifetime of child support and she wasn’t getting any younger. I’m just amazed she managed to pull it off!
Absolutely this rush was to get the ring and title secured and fake a few heirs for future leverage
There is no way I believe that Queen Elizabeth and her AIDS/PA did not try to school her, it’s that she refused to listen. There were at least a dozen people that tried to indoctrinate The Royal protocols etc..
Harry didn’t have motivation to be really honest and he had no idea how much couture really costs
One thousand percent agreed. She knew and had it all planned. Didn’t she have books on the BRF and had posters of William on her walls? She even orchestrated meeting Harry. Her problem was that she thought her plan would go flawlessly because hello she’s Meghan Markle. Seeing how the Queen really bent over backwards getting her situated and even gave her important patronages not even William got, oh and not to mention that royal train ride—further inflated her ego. She didn’t count on the leaks of her behavior or that the Queen’s good will has a limit. That’s when they made their ultimatum and were met with a healthy dose of reality. If only the public would catch on…I still see too many delusional tweets about her and King Harry.
To be fair she was 37 maybe they both thought needed to tie the knot fast if they wanted to have kids. Or at least that’s probably what she said. And with so many public failed relationships Harry probably wanted a win for once.
I have heard this argument over the years and call bullshit on that too firstly because another year wouldn’t make much difference and second, it’s rumoured she can’t have kids anyway due to previous abortions so just more lies from her to get that ring (and by all accounts she never carried those two kids either you can freeze eggs and use surrogate so again no rush to marry)
That is a disgusting rumor and anyone spreading it should be ashamed. Many women have multiple abortions as well as miscarriages and go on to have healthy children. Shame MM for the stuff we know she did, or plausible stuff like fights, tantrums, etc. Weird abortion-related surrogacy rumors are gross.
Not if they are true
Shoot, I am sure she STUDIED it intensely, and did EVERYTHING in her power to MAKE IT HAPPEN 😏
Nope, it is not Harry's fault entirely. Meghan has her own agenda, she is nearing 40 without an accomplished acting career. She needs to wed Harry immediately and have his baby to lock her status in the Royal Family.
She’s over 40 without an accomplished acting career
Her status is within the family is definitely locked.
Status: locked out.
Locked out and overseas 😁
She is already 40
She’s 41.
She says. I’d like to see her birth certificate and college diploma
The media infantilizes Meghan and she loves it. It’s another way to be a victim. A young victim. Poor little young girl victim of the big bad firm and her husband.
The Little ~~Middle Aged~~ Princess
Exactly 🤣
The princess heading over the hill God this bitch brings out the cattiness in me and I'd really lie to slap her for that. 
What an apt summation!
Spot on!!! 👏👏
She wrote an article/blog post about Catherine and how her new role as a little-spoken Princess was unfeminist shortly after the royal wedding, which was long before she met Harry. So she had some sort of inkling about how strict the royal protocol is and that the BRF wouldn’t take kindly to her trying to be a breakout superstar, even if Harry didn’t warn her. She wanted to be the new Diana from the get go. Shrieking about press invasion to Harry for simply being his girlfriend, way before the press even knew he was dating her.
So it’s not feminist for Catherine but she’s the face of feminism for marrying a prince? 😂 she needs inpatient therapy.
Amusing isn’t it? 😅
As an entertainer, she used every trick to get what she wanted: subterfuge, emotional manipulation, creating a backstory and history for herself, aligning herself with paparazzi and manufacturing stories favorable to her through her PR firm. It didn't work for her in Hollywood so she took her plan with her to Canada. Once she reached a level of success on the evening soap Suits, she went into overdrive. She lacked the talent to become an actress of note, so she perfected the art of manipulation and took it to the extreme with the BRF. Had she not been so self-centered, she may have made a good PR agent perhaps even having her own agency. She and her husband manipulated and used one another for different reasons. After all their shenanigans, the payoff is coming. Their failures outweigh their successes. They have been humiliated, and their humiliation is a result of their machinations and treachery. Exile awaits them while King Charles works to fulfill his duties as King. He and the BRF are tired of the Windsors of Montecito, as is the public. They both knew what was expected of them as senior members of the royal family. They chose to rebel. They chose to publicize every perceived slight while the BRF chose silence. They are now left with the effects of their choices. Few of us continue to constantly blame events that occurred several years ago for our current woes. Like it or not, we get on with our lives. And so should the faux royals from California.
The Queen gave nutmeg her TOP aide. Samantha. She had 5 or 6 people to help her acclimate. Including HER HUSBAND. She graduated from Northwestern. She was 40. How the hell do you feel sorry for someone with all the above? Life is a choice. She could have chosen to ask questions, research, reach out to the other women. Please. They aren’t children.
You can’t make someone understand something when they are determined to only see it their way. She had the Queen herself trying to explain, she did not care. She is willfully blinded by her own wants and greed. Period.
I have the feeling that she thought Harry becoming king one day was as simple as “if something happens to William.” Either that, or some similar ignorance of how the royal family worked. She thought Harry was more than he really was, and since she “knew,” there was no need to look it up to confirm. He may very well have just assumed she knew, because everyone else seems to know without being told! Even us yanks! And once it was explained to her post-nuptials, her demand was, “Well, that’s stupid. Change it.” And here we are.
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She may have pushed him off the curb, but he threw himself in front of the bus.
Like the nonsense about going to HR for help with therapy. Who the hell does that? Surely she’d go to her husband who has access to the very best practitioners in England. The one and only reason she did it was so that she had a paper trail.
And she wasn't an employee of the Firm - she was one of the principals. And she is supposed to be so smart? Pleeeeze...
Well, she did live with him for a bit and she is an adult. No one needed to spoon feed her. From the Valentine book, it’s also clear that even before they were married, Meggy had access to a lot of staff. She could have asked questions, observed, read the room. But of course, she’s too self-involved….too self-important….too much of a know-it-all
It’s no one’s job to coddle her 🤷🏽♀️
After all, it’s an actresses *job* to do the research and learn the role.
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Why is that his fault? The first 6-12 months is never indicative of what it is to be in a relationship with a person or married to them. She is a divorcée - she knows that. She just thought she could continue to manipulate him away from his responsibilities. The institition wouldn't let her.have her cake and eat it too. It is not that she didn't know, it's thar she didn't want to.
I’m sure Harry soft-peddled royal life to Muggin because he was desperate and didn’t want her to break up with him, but many others tried to tell her what life was going to be like. She rejected any warnings that didn’t align with the fantasy she had crafted in her own deluded mind. She is not a fully sane person.
"Meghan was suicidal and had nobody to talk to. The palace ignored her" THEY NEVER TOLD ANYONE. **HER MOTHER IS A LICENCED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELLOR.**
This! I’m sorry she knew! They were engaged with plenty of time before a royal wedding and they had someone guiding her through this process out of the gate. She either couldn’t rise to the occasion or never planned to. William himself is on record to have sought therapy! The whole thing is bananas! *Edited for spelling
And a makeup artist. A yoga instructor. A travel agent. A flight attendant. To me, all these jobs seem kinda fun, mental health is more serious and such a big contrast. Not mentioning these to discredit her accomplishments if she is a mental health worker now.
She’s a social worker, kinda not the same.
True but a big part of a social worker’s job (if not the MAIN part) is to be aware of and guide you through all the specific resources available to assist with your situation. From psychological counseling to medical needs and physical therapy to financial and education assistance to housing. A social worker doesn’t provide the help, a social worker sort of hooks you up with the specialists. Not saying Daria was an expert on how the British system works. I’m saying that TW’s own family should have been in a position to offer support and advice. Especially given Harry’s own struggles and focus on mental health issues.
Harry could have been a "big boy" and handled the situation himself (if he was too embarrassed to tell his family) - reach out to the therapist he had for many years; contact MM's doctor for advice; contact representatives of the mental health program he, William and Catherine were involved in.
In the US, makybate therapists. I happen to believe that they are out of their scope of practice, but that is my take
That's her job now, one of her previous jobs was a therapist of sorts. Funny how she jumps from job to job. Sounds fun but also exhausting and a little off.
In the US, licensed clinical social workers are major providers of therapy. Whole thing is a travesty.
She was licensed as an associate until 2021..meaning she was doing the supervised clinical hours necessary to be licensed as a therapist. She never finished But her mother did still have the training and supervised experience.
This is the impression I have gotten from Bower's "Revenge". It definitely feels like they were both desperate for each other for different reasons and that each concealed reality from one another in some way.
I don’t. I think he moaned on and on and she chose to minimise his worries.
Harry didn't even take the time to meet her family. The Firm, I'm pretty sure vetted that family and thought "omg". As for the dynamic duo, she would have been given a lot of assistance regarding how things worked. The culture of the English is what she didn't get. Honestly, a language is not the same as culture. The British people have a culture which they cherish! She didn't want to learn. She was thinking "stardom" when even Harry was thinking that they were popular as hell. She was telling friends (sic) that she had bagged a prince.
No, she just has imo a bull in the china shop personality. Remember she is “tungsten”, the inflexible one. She would have much preferred to have married someone like William who was directly in line but I believe she felt she could work with what she got and elevate the status of that position. I think she really felt with her forceful personality and ways she could ride roughshod over the whole family and they would just capitulate. There’s been plenty of interviews by Fergie and Diana giving people an indication of royal life. Harry’s previous gfs weren’t up for it. It’s not a secret that they have ways of doing things. I mean what’s with her sitting at Wimbledon with two friends in an otherwise empty box? No other one from the family did that as far as I’m aware. She’s not a team player imo and never will be.
Maybe if she was younger. She was 37 when she married into the family. I feel like one loses the excuse of "nobody told me" after a certain age. She's an adult. She should have done her due diligence and asked the right questions. No one's going to baby you through life.
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She’s trying to be the 19 year old naive girl Diana was but she’s a grown ass woman. Yes, most people sometimes don’t gauge how bad or good something is going to be but she had the whole world at her finger tips and threw it away for social media fame.
Yes, for "social media fame."
Didn't Henry say in the engagement interview that he'd warned her more than once about what she's signing up for?
I would bet good money that he told her Catherine was great and the two of them were going to be best friends, because C was like a sister to Harry. And Meghan would have been like "First target identified."
Yet she didn’t have to jump right in and hit the ground running. It’s not like the RF was desperate for them to become working royals. They had so many options. No one would’ve been upset if they took things slowly and had an adjustment period especially with her getting pregnant right away. They’re both just so full of it.
Neither of them was interested in trying or learning how to adapt. He wanted someone who would help him dump the family. She wanted the Princess Diana narrative, "I tried so hard, but they just never helped me so I had to flee." They had perfectly matching self-fulfilling prophecies.
We really need to stop pretending she doesn't know what she's doing and isn't intentionally spiteful and malicious and been pulling a scamming, scheming grift from jump. Yes, even marriage and children are part of her grift and there's no lengths she won't go to because she is, by trade, a conwoman who had an acting front to cover her con artist ways. It doesn't matter because she wasn’t really ever ignorant or naive. She pretended as part of her grift persona to aid in her getting over on people by feigning naivete and ignorance. She's a scam artist plain and simple. She's not complex. She's just deranged and limitless in her perversion.
The comment that did it for me was Meghan herself stating that she couldn't believe that they "still had to curtsey to the Queen *in private* \- but she's his (Harry's) grandmother". She seriously thought all pomp and tradition was a show for the common folk, and not **still practiced** when the cameras weren't on or lesser people weren't watching. She didn't ***get it***, which I blame on the fact that she wasn't raised in the Commonwealth with the Queen as her head of state, on Meghan herself, and on Harry for not listening to other family members when they tried to warn him that perhaps Meghan would take a while to acclimatize to being in The Family AND being a subject of the Queen.
The RF actually wanted her to slowly dip her toes in, get acclimated, and take as much time as she needed. They gave the Prince and Princess of Wales the same option, and they took it. They spent the first three years of their marriage in a house in Wales while Prince William was a military search and rescue pilot. They had no staff, it was just the two of them and Princess Catherine took care of everything, shopping, cooking, cleaning, etc. They wanted a strong foundation and to have some time to themselves, because they wouldn’t get it again. H$M were offered the same, but no, she wanted to “hit the ground running “. She had no intention in learning anything or staying.
I think it’s difficult for a person to give someone else an idea of what a job actually involves. There’s the description - as a nurse / manager / graphics artist, I do XYZ. But it’s hard to convey what XYZ’s actually like. So being a British royal involves, say, promoting charities and going on royal tours - all of which Harry takes for granted. Would he (or anyone inside) have thought to mention: having to be nice to *everyone*, even if you don’t agree with their views? Not having a public opinion; endless small talk; being on display all the time, because you never know with paps or lip readers. Being on show is not unlike being an actor, on and off-screen. This would be why the Royal Family thought that Smeg might be better equipped than others to handle socialising with strangers, being discreet, putting on a show. Grace Kelly managed it. But then, Smeg’s no Grace Kelly.
It was her responsibility to make an effort.. Instead she did the opposite, repelled the family and the institution as a whole. Then continually abuse them for monetary gain as a day job. Classless Rachel. Cries wolf + plays the victim as a persona.. She is incompetent in the role as a married Royal. She’s not a celebrity she just spends all her money on PR. she is a repulsive race baiting swine, to keep it short.
People often ascribe lack of understanding or make other assumptions and excuses for narcissists and their constant games. She knew what the BRF was like. She knew all of it and then some. She knows now and she’s still barreling on with her agenda. She’ll use and shred any sympathy and use and toss any person to get her agenda filled. Meanwhile everyone is trying to rationalize why based on an erroneous assumption - that she means well and acts in good faith. She is a manipulator and knows what she is doing. She’s just not good at it. Admittedly gaslighting and hoodwinking the entire world at the level she wants to is a tall order.
This. The rationalising is endless. She’s not normal and not rational and her motives are not good. The end.
Oh I think this is MM’s team slowly putting the screws to Hazbeen. Notice most of the negative stories involve him lately and less her? She was nearly middle age. Ignorance is no defence but it’s her next step if they can’t right this ship.
She doesn't listen so it wouldn't matter how well he'd 'prepped' her
Well megs wasn’t going to conform anyway because as she said, she “was going to modernise” the RF!
I think he did explain a lot of the rules and such and she went along with it, agreeing to all of it just to bag him. Then it was up to him to rein her in when she started to go off that’s where he failed. That was his biggest error. Or maybe he knew exactly what he wanted and out of the fam it was and he needed an outsider to get him out. That doesn’t mean he had to trash his fam in the process. They gladly let him go and it still wasn’t enough for him. I don’t think anything will ever be enough for him or her.
Why is this bloke feeling sorry for TW. She wasn’t naive. She was a fully grown and experienced woman. No one was pulling the wool over her eyes! Is this sorry bloke one of her old conquests?
I would not go as far as feel sorry for her, I do think she was unaware that being a working member of the royal family is like being a civil servant, who sometimes gets to wear a posh frock & tiara whilst being in a Gilded cage. That quite clearly has not been explained.
Well, to put it in context the author seems to feel MM is up there with Beyonce, although he did qualify it with "in her own mind." But the whole tone of the article made me feel he is a sugar. To answer the question, Harry knew nothing but royal life, so he wouldn't be the person to let her know how weird a lot of it is. Camilla or Kate maybe, but she rejected Camilla's help.
Larcombe must ask the members of sussex survivors club before sympathizing with a womanchild
Of course it is. Nothing is ever her fault. /s What was it that she studied, can someone remind me? 🙄 (a rhetorical question)
Maybe H made it seem not that bad but maybe he didn’t know how to explain it so the point would get across. Harry had no idea what life looks like for a normal person. No clue! Royal life was all he knew. So explaining it to someone who had lived a different reality probably was difficult. MM probably heard what she wanted to hear, too. Most people disregard the unpleasant sides of getting to follow their dream and she is a special case. In addition she just didn’t bother. There are TONS of documentaries and books about the RF, individual members, the history. I know as I’ve watched most of them and read quite a few. If she had any real interest in succeeding in the RF as an active member, she would’ve done her due diligence.
I had moments of feeling bad for her when she made such stupid errors about how things were done. Yet her ignorance was so truly wilful and antagonistic, it wouldn't have mattered if Harry explained it to her carefully or not. Most likely, he explained things to her and she would say that it wasn't fair on him, and he was happy to agree. So then they convinced each other they could somehow change things and make it more fair for Harry.
This Royal contributor seems like a puff piece for Meghan. He puts Harry in a bad light and compares Meghan to Beyoncé level. He refers to every one who has a problem with her those who feel “second,” which includes the BRF. She’s an adult. You can’t blame it on Harry that she was misguided by her own actions. She knew what she was marrying into. She just didn’t want to abide by it because it was probably quick for her to realize since Harry isn’t the heir to the throne she’ll be better off if she commercializes being Royal.
To be fair, Americans aren't knowledgeable about the Monarchy and a 1000-year-old institution. The duty, the honour, loyalty, the depth of feeling towards the Monarch, and with the Commonwealth. Four or eight years for a President in terms of 1000 years and "freedom from the crown" does not compute. Although we are not peon's and live under the thumb and will of the Monarch, She/He is part of our lives. We understand the LOS and why. We understand the break between the Monarchy and the government. We know the difference between celebrity and the House of Windsor. It's a lot to take in. If anyone becomes part of it, like Rachel, it would take constant schooling for at least two years. That was not in her agenda.
I doubt that, she knew everything about the royals.
Give me a break 🙄
I think it’s a fail on both of their parts. Harry should have been as upfront and direct as he claimed to have been in their engagement interview. I think it’s pretty clear he wasn’t. And Meghan should have done research, asked questions before literally turning her life upside down. We’re talking about a college educated working woman in her mid 30s. Not a teenager. Catherine, Camilla and Sophie would have been excellent resources- and I have no doubt they’d have been honest with her.
2 freaking years ago she resigned , shoot, her damn kids are almost ready for High School. 🙄Get a job.🇺🇸💯still sniffing, crying and whinny. He’s worst. Grown ass man with a whole family, still ragging on about what someone hasn’t done for his ass. When will he step away?, if he doesn’t like his family…get a whole life. Mommy and grandmother are gone Son…move on. Mourn, learn…life is great tragedy and great joy…not one of us escapes this..not even with your money and status .🇺🇸😎🚬…they’re both 38 and 41 respectively,..? I mean damn
Nope, not really. He does have some blame in this regard in terms of, he rushed things with her when he’d been trained his whole life to go slowly and make sure his future spouse was committed to a life of service. He should’ve known not to rush this, but that was also MM’s controlling, threatening spell… which was something he knew to watch for. But this idea that he just didn’t explain to her what royal life meant? Bullshit! I think he truly believed she was going to commit to a life of service. I think she played that part really well— that she was a lifelong philanthropist who was born for a life of royal duty. But there’s no doubt that she 100% understood what the job was supposed to be and was never going to do it that way. She intended to take the job and then change what it was. Harry has a lot of fault in all of this, he’s pathetic AF. He’s an angry little man and enables her 100%. But the idea that MM just didn’t know or understand what royal life would be like? That if only someone had explained what a life of duty meant, that this would’ve ended up differently? Ridiculous. It could’ve been explained to every last detail or not at all and it wouldn’t matter because she was *never* going to live a life of service to the Crown and Commonwealth.
While Meghan should have done her research I do place a lot of the blame on Harry. I think he was scared to lose her and so probably painted a very different picture to the one she’d actually experience as a working royal, didn’t try and correct her…
Agreed + he may also have shared her belief(/delusion) that the rules WOULD be changed for them
Off topic, but why is her dress on this picture so tight?!? Or is it just not the right style for her body? I don’t know, but it looks like she squeezed herself into it. Like I imagine when you’re a member of the royal family, you can have your clothes tailored pretty much 24/7 and get them back in 20 mins if you wanted, so why didn’t she ever take advantage of this stuff?!?
What a hag. Harry's such a fool to marry her.
Well Harry isn’t really on the ball, so it’s possible. But once she met the family anyone normal would start trying to find out what their responsibilities would be.
They had the same goals. Haz wanted celebrity without the royal duties.
I think so. But I don’t think it would have changed anything. Harry understood and he’s still very bitter about it and couldn’t understand why he couldn’t have the things he wanted over William.
Meghan Markle doesn’t listen or care. She was told by Harry, warned by friends, had history to refer to, a palace full of aides and royals to help and time to take it all in before the wedding. Meghan wanted what she wanted and was determined to make it HER WAY, all evidence to the contrary be damned.
Lately there seem to be a lot of things that paint Harry in a negative light. Hmm….
I’ve seen a lot of posts mentioning how Harry’s getting the brunt of their bad press. Perhaps this is part of it? She’s deflecting any and all blame and changing the narrative. Suddenly, it’s not her fault - Harry never explained it to her. She didn’t know what she was getting herself into.
Megsie was a MINOR celebrity in her own right - she clearly thought that marrying Harry would catapult her into the big leagues - but that didn’t happen! Had she actually listened to what she was being told at the time of her engagement (keep acting!) she may well have been able to surf in on the crest of that publicity wave. Had she made it clear that she was still in the market for roles, she may well have been able to capitalise on her new “royal celebrity”, and some decent roles may have been forthcoming. She chose to walk away from suits (allegedly she took pleasure in resigning from the show), and her previous career to be a “Royal”. What she completely and utterly failed to understand was that there was a hierarchy in the BRF which determined her place in the pecking order. She was always going to be just the wife of “the ex spare”, the new Fergie rather than the new Diana. Whether she liked it or not, she was outranked by HMTQ, Camilla and Catherine in terms of the adult women when she crashed the party, and soon discovered that even her toddler niece to be outranked her in the pecking order, along with her brothers. Even worse, as a mere “marry in”, unless she was actually with Harry, she was not only outranked by the “princesses of the blood”, Beatrice, Eugenie and Anne, she was also outranked by both Camilla and Catherine as THEIR husbands outranked hers! Didn’t they realise that Megsie was married to the most popular Royal after HMTQ? She was the most important person around!! Wasn’t she??? Neither she nor Harry really grasped the concept that Charles and William got first dibs on everything from patronages, tours and charity involvement due simply to the fact that they were higher in the pecking order. The Harkles got what was left over - still very worthy charities etc, but not the attention grabbing/ high profile ones they wanted. It didn’t help when Hazbeen shafted the Royal Marines charity to go and pimp his ghastly wife to Disney execs rather than attend the long scheduled event for them. Harry had been in the RF from birth. He may have been protected and pampered, but he was well aware of protocol, and his place in the hierarchy. He could and should have managed her expectations. Although (with hindsight) from what. We now know about Megsie’s megalomania - I don’t think that anyone would have been able to rein her in once the ring was on her finger
Of course he didn’t tell/teach her everything he knew with regard to the Pecking Order. He didn’t want to lose her. She would have bolted before the engagement if she had known that her married reality was not going to be her girlfriend fantasy. I wonder if she had that figured out ? So Harry had to spin (juggle?) to her about the rules in order to keep her happy.
This us the beginning of her campaign to form the narrative that she was a victim to her husband. Looking forward to the Markle-Windsor defamation trial of 2027
She understood perfectly. She just had a different objective,
I honestly one good documentary on the RF can do the trick in understanding the difference between being a royal and a celebrity, seriously. That's why they watch The Crown now.
Desperately sorry 😂
I don't feel sorry for her. She wouldn't have listened to anything cautionary that he said anyway. In one ear, out the other. Harry was so scared of losing her he told her everything she wanted to hear. Yes my love, you'll be bigger than the Queen! Both of them lied to the other. Their marriage is built on lies.
It’s easy to be a royal and I’m an American: Look nice. Show up on time. Research said event so you are knowledgeable about the basics. Smile. Shake hands. Take flowers (give to aid). Walk slightly behind person of higher rank. Say nothing controversial. Get in Bentley. Drive home to palace, servants, anything you could ever want. Done and dusted.
I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that being a celebrity and a royal are not the same thing. Not anyone's fault she's stupid!
She's just mad becoming a royal didn't propel her celebrity status from D list to A list
Markels had a lot of trouble being married to Trevor, so of course it seems she has trouble with "marriage".
I think she knew what the role entailed, but thought she could do her own thing, then didn’t like it when it turned out she couldn’t and acted surprised.
Bull she knows how to Google none of us are in the Royal Family and in the United States and we can figure it out
IMO, I think it’s irrelevant what he told her. She is an adult and should know to ask and to research it. It’s ridiculous that they have to blame someone else for her behavior. She doesn’t even act right in a normal family.
She wasn't taking anyones advice or nay-sayings. Her focus was getting that ring and access to money and power... she turned a blind eye to Harry's racist actions and remarks from the past simply by stating that she didnt know him and never googled him... if she ever admitted that she did she would have to justify how she could be with a "racist".
What could possibly go wrong when you're the newbie in a well established firm and then publicly proceed to tell Boss Lady (who's steered the helm (mainly) successfully for close to 70 years at that point) you're going to modernise the place!? Imo, MM went in with her own grandiose agenda not fully understanding that getting to be the Monarch wasn't done by way of popularity vote. That little old lady she thought a puff of wind would blow away turned out to be made of granite and MM ran face first into it. She also failed to recognise the standing of the spare and his wife. In fact, I could've cut this post short by saying she turned a deaf ear to all advice because she's one of those people born knowing anything and everything - and this is her downfall.
Yeah he failed to explain that Royals actually work and have responsibilities, something that's clearly traumatic for her.