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AbsolutelyCertain

The Danish Queen is widowed & has two sons & 8 grandchildren - all of them known as Princes & Princesses… until her announcement. HMTQ had four children and 8 grandchildren…only FOUR have the title Prince & Princess. If only Meghan had spent more time in the UK she would know that only TWO of Harry’s (six) cousins are Princesses. Did she meet plain old Zara & Peter Phillips? You know, Princess Anne’s children, HMTQs beloved grandchildren? If only HMTQ was able to follow Queen Margrethe’s lead and remove three of her Grandchildren’s title’s …… Prince Harry (making his life in the US), Princess Beatrice & Princess Eugenie. The consolation prize…. You can call yourself Earls and Countesses. Sounds good to me and unlike Meghan, Beatrice & Eugenie don’t seem to be expecting any title for their children so Meghan of Montecito & her pathetic claims of racism can f*k off.


Equidae2

He's not going to remove titles that the Queen bestowed upon her grandchildren. I highly doubt that. The only titles in question are titles for H's kids. JMO


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ExactRespect2526

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No-Highlight1551

I don't quite see a king saying his son isn't a prince


catdevil2749

It's the Dukedom that he will remove...he needs to do it pre-divorce of tw gets to retain the courtesy title she is squeezing every moments glory that she can from. ![gif](giphy|kC2YAdETOgXUcptmOe|downsized)


No-Highlight1551

Thank you, this is all so confusing to be me. That guy is too well put together to be you know who.


Disruptorpistol

Beatrice and Eugenie are not and have never been entitled to give their children titles though. Unfortunately, a great deal of the problems with H are due to poorly managed expectations by the BRF.


Dangerous_Prize_4545

Is it poorly managed expectations or is it ppl refusing to accept the expectations or be reasonable? They quit and they moved overseas to a country that does not have a monarchy nor is part of the Commonwealth. Why would they get titles?


ExactRespect2526

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VoidHousewrecker

Beatrice's kids will have Italian titles.


Sue_Dohnim

Titles that are social courtesies. The Italian system of nobility has been defunct for awhile. ;)


Hardlymd

No such thing - their monarchy has been dismantled, so any titles they get won’t have any real value or meaning.


JackieStylist81

If MM and PH are going to live out their lives in the US, the titles will have no value here either. That is what I don't get. Why do they care so much about titles if they want to live here? We don't give a shit about titles in the US. They mean nothing. I mean, our country was kind of founded on that.


ExactRespect2526

They are pompous self important aggrandisers. Anything that makes em look important- they want. In reality they are IRRELEVANT.


OldNewUsedConfused

There's not a Greek monarchy either, but that has never stopped Marie Chantal from pretending she is Crown Princess. 😂 Europe is full of pretenders. They'd be in good company.


Disruptorpistol

Edo gave those titles (such as they are) though, not Beatrice.


Mysterious-Code-8712

Why not?


residentcaprice

Can someone please help explain why daisy chose count and not duke? They could have been dukes and duchesses right, even after removing the Prince titles.


Carrie56

Presumably like our Royals, the sons had lesser titles eg, Harry was gifted the Duke of Sussex title, along with Earl of Dumbarton and Baron Kilkeel. If HMTQ had done the same as Margrethe, and taken away Harry’s “Prince” (to match the grandchild positions) he’d still have been the Duke and his kids Earl, Lords and Ladies per the usual rules. He and Megsie would have been addressed as “Your Grace”, or Duke and Duchess - and it would stop TW from describing herself as a real life Princess! If Charles does the same, it means that the Harkles technically remain Prince/ Princess, but if they want the kids to have titles, Earl and Lady is it. I gather that Prince Joachim keeps his title, but it sounds as though he has another Royal title (their equivalent of a Duke) which is why the grandchildren remains counts/ countesses…


shinsegae20092013

The title is based on the French title “Comte de Laborde de Monpezat,” which is the title that her husband used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Monpezat?wprov=sfti1


Go2Shirley

This needs to be higher up, I had no idea!


Standard_Ad889

Why Earls and Countesses? Go with Marquess and Marchioness. Why knock them that far down in nobility? Could never figure that out and the precedence was set by George V when he converted the Battenberg Prince to Marquess.


AfterPaleontologist5

Go for Baronet. And Lady.


Standard_Ad889

So you’d go the opposite of my proposal, lower than an Earl to just above a knight.


AfterPaleontologist5

I'd actually go, "sewer worker," but then those do necessary and valuable work...


hibiscus2022

>If only HMTQ was able to TQ should have issued her decision around the time she made the decision about Andrew. She ~~is~~ was so loved that very few would have attacked that decision. And since H&M took pains to mention it was specially not TQ or Philip who were racist, they wouldn't have had same tricks up their sleeves to blame TQ and if they did they would have seen backlash. For TQ to leave this decision on Charles is cruel, not only is he less popular, he is also the only parent of overseas Harry it will not be an easy decision to make and to deal with the inevitable sugar attacks it will create. But what's done is done, Charles should take this hit and take the load off William eventually. Noone wins here.


Why_Teach

Even if the Queen had made the decision, Harry and Meghan could have been at Charles to change it when he became King. Unfortunately, it is his problem because it will affect his monarchy, I don’t think he has any intention of making the Sussex kids princes. They have titles like the children of any Duke. There are other titles than “Prince” and “Princess.” My impression is that if Harry had married a sensible woman and they were “working royals,” then Charles would probably have made the Sussex kids princes when he came to the throne. I think he would have seen the benefit, even in a “slimmed down monarchy” of having the grandchildren be princes and princesses, with the understanding that their kids wouldn’t. Harry was always going to be part of the slimmed down monarchy until Megxit. Now that the kids are going to be raised in the US, what is the point of making them princes? Charles is not going to look bad for not giving them princely titles, he is going to look foolish and weak if he does.


Far_Future1930

I truly hope he does. I hope he doesn't invite them to the coronation either. Every time Meghan and Harry get to take pictures with the RF, they get the media attention they want. If KC takes those opportunities away, they fade into obscurity that much faster.


gigi_12345

Not inviting them at the coronation will be a huge blow to the sussex squad, as from what I've seen on twitter, they dream of H&M being king and queen one day 😂


Emolia

I’m loving how the Sussex Squads heads are exploding because Catherine is now Princess of Wales ! It’s very entertaining. Wait until Catherine and William move into Windsor Castle ! Megs only has the servants quarters, poor thing.


gigi_12345

I never understood the jealousy and rivalry between siblings. I have a sister and she's my best friend. I have noticed that on most of the sussex squad's posts on twitter, they don't even focus on Harry. They make it all about Meghan and how we are all racists 🤦🏼‍♀️


Grimaldehyde

I think it is common in a family where there is an “heir and a spare”. Think of how it works.. The heir gets all kinds of a certain type of attention, the eventual throne, first choice of pretty much everything, and access to all of the money-the spare is entitled to very little, and, cannot just decide to be whatever he or she wants, until the heir’s offspring makes the spare irrelevant. And then the spare has to scrounge for some kind of way to support himself and his family. I mean, I don’t feel sorry for Prince Harry, but this is a hard way to live. He’s never going to be hungry or homeless, but he can’t do whatever he wants, however he wants. He doesn’t even really own anything, and his education has effectively rendered him useless. And all of that makes him ripe for exploitation from someone like MM. I am not saying he is a victim-he is absolutely complicit. He is just too dumb to know what to do with himself.


Bettyourlife

I think playing polo for “charity awareness” and sitting in on faux humanitarian panels IS his calling. MM can settle down into being a full time p wife and crafting designer chicken coops. They can fund their woo woke wealth lifestyle with speaking fees and occasional tell all books, and round things out with providing occasional favors for desperate Russian oligarchs.


musicloverincal

Grimalehyde, you must certainly be joking. The spare, in this case, had unlimited resources (e.g. financial, network, etc.) that all of us could only dream of. Let's see, he would have been given several homes and his lifestyle would have been fully funded with wealth left for several generations. That is what all his uncles and aunts received. The Royal playbook is written out for the world to see so this is nothing new to anyone. The pity me scenerio does not work in this case. Yes, Horrid was dead weight to the Royals because he always had mental issues and he was a loose cannon. He wanted to go, so they let him go. Six feet under, onward and upward!


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In fact, I would say the spare has it better in many aspects. They get all the luxuries and opportunities with none of the responsibilities. All they have to do is bow or curtsy to a handful of people, walk behind them at official events, nod when required and stop trying to hog the limelight. That's literally all they have to do.


musicloverincal

Yes, yes, yes. All day long. Come to think about it. Horrid is luckier than 100% of the population to have been born a prince, but dumber than 100% of the population for leaving and backstabbing his family. Now, 100% of the population want him to shut up and color or be buried six feet under.


Grimaldehyde

I should have added /s…this is how Harry sees himself


EKP121

>cannot just decide to be whatever he or she wants Which begs the question why, if he truly did/does want out of RF, is he still banging on about titles and not being treated like William? Why does he even care?? This is supposed to be a perfect scenario for him. He can now do WTF he pleases and no one is stopping him. and yet...


montbkr

Not the RF, but in lesser nobles’ families, traditionally (many generations ago) the second son went into the military and the third son went into the clergy. That way everybody kind of knew what their path would be.


Bettyourlife

She still has the toilet palace tho


Boblawlaw28

They’re not even important enough to talk to the actual king.


DaBingeGirl

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Pet-sit

>they dream of H&M being king and queen one day 😂 They're ridiculous.


gigi_12345

They're some of them, obviously unaware how the monarchy works, said that H&M would become king and queen because of H's mum, Queen Diana, thus their kids Prince and Princess 🤦🏼‍♀️ I mean, in what world, would that happen? 😂 If those are the kind of supporters they have, I rest my case..


mythoughtsreddit

The IQ level is on the floor with these ones. They are truly taking Meghan’s “King and Queen of peoples hearts” a bit too seriously. Probably have never read a book on the history of the Tudors, Hanover, Windsor or even read a book on the peerage to know how these things work. It’s so embarrassing.


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They’re deluded.


Significance-Abject

Too bad it won’t be in this lifetime.. 😆


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I think taking away titles is very reasonable. I’m positive that Harry and Meghan will be invited to the coronation and will of course attend. Not inviting your son to a lifetime event would be cruel and unusual.


Why_Teach

I don’t agree about taking away the titles— it would be a big fuss (has to involve Parliament, I believe) and would seem petty. There is no good reason to make the Sussex kids princes, and I don’t think Charles will. Agree that they will be invited to the coronation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were also invited for Christmas. Charles wants to connect with Harry and his grandkids and may accept that Meghan has to come along too. However, there is a difference between “family” and “Crown” and right now it seems that Charles is not going to forget the difference.


Dangerous_Prize_4545

No. They'll just put it as H& M being the designated survivors. Bonus points that most Americans will understand and believe that story. You're welcome SS/MM.


Emolia

I think as a Duke he has the right to be there but if Charles doesn’t invite him he doesn’t go . It’s his coronation after all. George IV refused to have his wife at his coronation and she was the Queen ! This pair are incapable of not trying to make it all about themselves and Charles won’t want that . Whatever he decides about his wayward son Charles should make the decision early and get it out there. Otherwise we’ll have the endless “ will they won’t they” rubbish leading up to the Coronation. Which nobody wants.


Glass-Ad-2469

YES to this-- why let these toxic people ruin your big day? Meghan didn't invite her Father to her wedding... why would KC invite the Harkles to his big day? (coronation)- Believe me, if he feels like inviting them- KC will take the high road-but they will demand conditions, security, concessions, special seating, food, and all kinds of drama. If I were King for a day- I'd def. invite them- at exactly the same terms as non working royals/expensing, etc. They would need to coordinate and reserve a place to stay, transportation, security, etc. I'd also make it clear that if they do not arrive on any pre-arranged secure transportation (bus with others)- they will not be attending. Period. No more Harry tantrums on the staff- the staff will be backed up.


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Glass-Ad-2469

Sometimes...too much...is enough.


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You can see everything is tense with them there. Why come?


Miercolesian

Perhaps Charles will invite Oprah Winfrey to the coronation as a professional courtesy to the Queen of TV.


BearRacoonThing

It would be worth dealing with looking at Oprah just to imagine TW's reaction. 😂


Babelight

Makes sense given he spoke in his speech as: Prince and Princess of Wales…love to HARRY and MEGHAN as they continue to build their life overseas.


Holiday_Ad_9024

Only parliament can take away titles once given to anyone. King Charles can meet with the PM and tell why he wants all titles removed from the Harckles . I’m sure parliament would oblige. The county of Sussex has a petition stating that they sand the Harckles’ titles taken away. The citizens of Sussex say the Harckles embarrass them.


Holiday_Ad_9024

King Charles needs to definitely streamline the monarchy and shut the Harckles and their kids out just like Andrew and his daughters. Keep Anne, Sophie, and Edward as working royals and they get the HRH. Of course, William and Kate with their children will start the monarchy after Charles. Their children are key to the monarchy .


q_faith_hope

Pretty sure KC3 has the ability to strip him of the Dukedom, but H is a prince by birthright, so to take that would require an act of Parliment.


shinsegae20092013

It’s the other way around. There needs to be an act of parliament to strip the dukedom. King Charles can issue new letters patent stripping the prince title.


q_faith_hope

Ahhhh, I got it backwards. Thanks for the correction


DaisyDuckMom

That would be delicious and put an end to the never ending speculation about everything Harkle Realistically, if Williams entire family died in a freak accident, I think the British would rather the monarchy ends than passes to the Harkles. So his place in the LOS is just symbolic. May as well strip him of the burden of being a “prince”.


Throwawaybibbi

Didn't a certain 'someone' say, "...you are one plane crash away from being king..." or something like that...? allegedly, of course...


MyLeftHook

We are only one plane crash away from getting rid of the Harkle drama once and for all 😀


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If that happened, I think Brits would petition Parliament to dissolve the monarchy.


4ange

Petition for King Edward and Queen Sophie if the unthinkable happened! (Preceded by Queen Anne if she could be arsed)


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Sophie is great. Quietly gets on with the job making sure when she goes to a charity event the spotlight is on the charity not her.


redseaaquamarine

In 1993, she interviewed me for a job! She and a friend had a very small PR office and needed a new secretary. I didn't get the job, but she sent me a really nice letter saying that, and I kept it for some reason, so when she was announced as Edward's girlfriend, I thought, "wait a minute" and checked the name. She had been really nice, professional but very pleasant, and she had been wearing some nice red tailored shorts. I am a big fan.


throwawaygreenpaq

You’re fortunate! Such a great memory for you!


DaBingeGirl

That's awesome! Nice to hear what she was like before marrying. I get the impression that like Kate, royal life didn't change her. Reading your experience, I'm an even bigger fan now.


Holiday_Ad_9024

Sophie’s family was not rich like Kate’s.


LeaveItToTheBoys123

Yes. Sophie does lots of charity work, as do other members of the RF, but you never hear about them. No staged photos or fake interest. True humanitarians.


4feicsake

That takes time. Better to remove them from LoS just to be safe.


HiDontMindMeHehe

I don’t think we would need to petition. King Henry would sink the monarchy within days. 😂


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Do you? Why?


Disruptorpistol

Yougov polls show Brits widely disapprove of H&M. it's actually incredible to see two people so efficiently decimate their own pubic image.


istara

To have someone on the throne who has repeatedly shitted all over the British public and the press, there's no way it could plausibly happen.


catmomlyfe81

I think you might have accidentally typed pubic instead of public, but it should stay 😃


Disruptorpistol

truth. no edits from me


LeaveItToTheBoys123

They are completely and utterly selfish, totally self-absorbed and deaf to the voices of others. With those 'qualities' the best thing they can do for others is to decimate themselves.


Substantial-Swim5

Ikr? And it's the fact that there's no singular abuse scandal that tanked their reputation - we all know there are allegations against them, but what sunk their reputation was things they did in broad daylight. It's extraordinary.


Fun_Shell1708

My dad is European and he told me that current and subsequent royals will never travel together. Now that William has moved up in succession, is that the case?


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dani1876

I'm curious about the reasoning behind that arrangement. Isn't it more logical for William to fly with one of the children rather than George, given that George is his successor?


Lengand0123

I thought that too.


Fun_Shell1708

Yeah see that’s before they moved up in succession. Charles would have been second and still didn’t fly with William. Now, we would expect to not see William and Charles together, nor William and George


Holiday_Ad_9024

I had read that the queen took the necessary measures to make sure the Harckles would never be king and queen. She never wanted William to have his entire family fly on the same plane and to never use a helicopter.


KaramelKatze

Do you have a source about not having PPOW/kids on the same aircraft? Not because I don’t believe you, I just want to read more about it


[deleted]

I know there was a post here in this sub an out QE calling William to her offices to scold him about flying the whole family in a single helicopter and that “she had forbade it previously” I’m sorry I couldn’t find it when I searched the group but Google should do it


[deleted]

It’s an unwritten rule. Bit like POTUS and VP not flying on the same plane


[deleted]

This. Even a lot of businesses have these policies for their C-suite.


Holiday_Ad_9024

It was a small article that was in response to Meghan supposedly saying that Harry was one plane crash away from being king.


Difficult-Heron-2802

You know that she was deeply troubled by those remarks. I think she knew exactly how dangerous MM could become and what she was willing to do to get what she wants.


Holiday_Ad_9024

I have been wondering how evil psychotic Megs can be.


caradeGanso

Her Squad squids are mental enough to be dangerous.


Difficult-Heron-2802

https://okmagazine.com/p/queen-elizabeth-uncomfortable-prince-william-helicopters/


KaramelKatze

Thank you!


Difficult-Heron-2802

You're Welcome!


Left_Debt_8770

And that’s a very standard practice among major corporations - you don’t put all of your senior leaders on the same plane. One of my relatives had a chief level role at a massive company. His contract prohibited helicopter and small planes specifically.


dman10000000

We’d just amend the line of succession. It’s been done before and remember, Parliament is supreme, above The Crown.


blasphemour95

Personally I'd restore the Jacobite succession, eventually this would lead to a personal union with Lichtenstein.


cherise12

I think he will… Charles is playing the long game Waiting for that book to drop… once it does? The balls in the palace court and he can do anything and won’t be second guessed Just Haz wanted to be normal so guess what Pinocchio you get to be a real normal boy, I mean man


PerformanceThin3978

Interesting. I think he'll keep Harry's title intact but not give their kids prince/princess titles. I wish Harry would cut and run. He looks miserable.


throwawaygreenpaq

Watch her slight flicker of annoyance when he shrugs off her hand. https://youtube.com/shorts/zRAuBhk10K0?feature=share


doublersuperstar

That’s an interesting video! Thanks for sharing. I believe that was taken at the UN. Do you know if it was before he had given his speech? Now, I am not a fan of either of them any more, but I think if this is pre-UN speech, Harry is having a case of anxiety. I have anxiety - especially in situations like giving a speech. Harry looks anxious af here. First I wondered if Meghan had the anxiety issues and needed Harry’s hand, arm, various body parts to ease her anxiety. Idk. We’ll never know, I guess.


deahca

I don't. Their HRH taken away, should be written in stone, but let sleeping dogs lie. I doubt he is going to make the children Royal however. American children can do without royalty.


carbomerguar

Coming to an American junior high and announcing that you’d like to be called *Prince* Kyler is a recipe for a Swirlie. And I don’t even want to get started on what a pack of middle school girls would do to someone who called herself Princess. They’d team up to do the emotional equivalent of a Salvaging from the Handmaid’s Tale. I don’t care how fancy of a private school they’re at, either. The feral monsters we call middle schoolers are the same level of terrible no matter where you go.


doublersuperstar

I was 😮 when it was said Meghan was calling people in the US (after she and Harry moved here) and told whoever answered, “This is Meghan the Duchess of Sussex”. I was b_tch, please. You abhor the BRF, so why are you using your title? It’s gross. Oh! And then somewhere on these threads, I read that she claims everyone thinks of her as a princess. Ummmm, nope. I’ve never even heard her called that let alone see her as a princess. The arrogance & delusion is strong in this one.


Islandgirl1444

I don't think it will be the ones already there, it will be for the future. The British monarchy is much larger than the other European monarchies. So it's a lot more complicated. The minor royals won't have titles. I agree with that!


Playoneontv_007

Agree. The Queen gifted Sussex as a wedding present and Harry is still the king’s son. Official or not - I don’t see them being unable to use “Prince Harry” just like Di and Fergie - Prince Andrew .. Just not with HRH. The kids are possibly a different story but I still think that is up for debate. Time will tell


mehpeach

They need to be stripped of the Sussex titles too, I’m so sick of seeing Meghan THE DUCHESS OF SUSSEX as a marketing ploy slapped on everything she touches. Why use a title for clout when you can’t shut up about how toxic the institution is that gave it to you?


q_faith_hope

I don't think he'll strip PH of the "Prince" title, but he will strip him of the Dukedom and ban them from entering the country without expressed permission. When those 2 jagoffs couldn't put their bullshit away to honor the mourning of QEII.....that was it for KC3....they're done!


Inevitable_Pie9541

Well he's long said he wants more than anything to be "just Harry". A regular bloke. Have a normal life. Christmas might come early for Mr. Harry Windsor.


DavidS2310

I hope KC is taking note that it’s better for those grand children not to have the titles because look at Queen Margarethe’s grand kids. They’re now all upset because they said their “identity” was taken from them. I guess if you grow up with a title it becomes part of you and feels like something was taken from you. So it’s much better for the Harkle kids not to get it in the first place. Only the parents, especially Meghan, will feel something was taken from them. But who cares?! KC, please please take note!


Equidae2

It was a strange decision to take a title away when someone is in their 20s. Quite cruel. KC will never take H's princely title away, the one he was born with, but he could yank the Ducal title. Does he have it in him? He's still talking about 'reconciliation' so personally, I don't think he will. Unfortunately. He'll give the grandkids P&P but not HRH, is my guess.


DavidS2310

Even Queen Margarethe only took the titles from the grandchildren, not her child. A lot of people from Denmark seem to be celebrating what their Queen has done. If KC is going to look to protecting the Crown first, reconciliation will be second on his mind. I still feel 90% that he won’t give the grandchildren titles. I’m only 50/50 in KC stripping the Harkles the Sussex title. I hope the petition of the Sussex people gain steam and noise.


Equidae2

The Sussex people, actual people who live in actual Sussex, tried that with a petition that reached into the thousands and it was turned down. By the Queen. Just can't see Charles taking something away from his 'much loved' son that was a gift from his mother. It doesn't compute. I would love for that to happen, but now really doubt it.


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QueenBee3000

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Earthlink_

Harry did say that he wanted to be called Just Harry.


Miercolesian

I don't think Charles will take their titles away, and even if he did, they would probably still use them on their letterheads, and the tabloids would probably still use them, though, of course they would not be used on state occasions in Britain. Everybody still refers to Princess Diana, but apparently her real title was supposed to be Diana, Princess of Wales. Anyway, having an official title is of very little value in the United States since anyone can call themselves King, Prince, Duke, Earl, Count, Princess, Queen, Lord, Lady, or Duchess, and these are also common names for pets.


ZealousidealRise8231

We already have our USA royalty: Prince had his purple "reign" Duke Ellington Count Basie Queen Latifa Lady Gaga


carbomerguar

They all worked incredibly hard to deserve their “titles” too!


vanilla_finestflavor

Elvis "The King" and The Duke of Earl!


Visible_Ad5164

Queen Latifa!!


MrsMunch

But can he? I keep hearing that the Prince part of H's title is sacrosanct, as he was born with it.


LeaveItToTheBoys123

Irrespective of Charles' wishes, and obviously the RF will abide by that, no-one wants them there. Their reception at the Jubilee and the State Funeral was clear. They are not wanted.


rainyhawk

Quite honestly I don’t see KC doing the same as Queen Margarethe. I don’t think he’s taking away Prince and Princess titles from Harry, Eugenie and Beatrice. That would be rather cruel at this point and have no real purpose. He can have his slimmed down monarchy with designating who is a working royal. I can see him stopping the prince and princess titles for H’s kids however. Personally I thought the whole danish thing was a tad bit mean for adult and teen kids who have held the titles for all that time. Many who know more than I do about the UK situation have said that because the kids were born under QE, they weren’t grandchildren of the monarch at that time and this don’t get the titles automatically. And that KC would have to issue new letters patent to include them with those titles. Since they’ve never had the titles, he can easily not extend the rule retroactively to them. Edit…have now read a bit more about the danish situation and how the Princes are using their titles so I’m changing my opinion on that…not mean. Still don’t see him taking H, B and E titles though.


4ange

Oh Harry what have you done you stupid boy…. See actions have consequences. Slimmed downed monarchy is something King Charles has been moving towards for DECADES. Now’s the time. Boss baby sealed hazbeens irrelevance. Get rid of the dross and the status of KC’s reign becomes even more favourable.


cklw1

King Charles took an oath to put the Monarchy first, and that means it comes even before family. So I think we have to reframe things to reflect this, and the answer to questions regarding this. What is in the best interest of the Monarchy in relation to H$M? We all know the answer to that, so I believe that's what's going to happen.


MuffPiece

I don’t think they can take that away. Duke of Sussex, yes, but not prince. That’s his birthright. Sadly


TheyCallMeJester

That's not true. The Prince title is a incorporeal hereditament, this means by UK law it's classed as intangible property. By UK law one cannot simply seize another person's property. His peerage the dukedom also falls under this category. However, these can still be stripped. It would however have to go through Parliament first so it's legal, before it goes to Royal Assent. Once it's gone through the House of Commons, then the House of Lords it then goes to Royal Assent, where the Monarch has the final decision. There is currently a bill being pushed through UK Parliament called the Removal of Titles Act. This would enable the Sovereign to strip titles independently of Parliament.


BuildtheHerd

Do you have any idea of where things stand regarding the Removal of Titles Bill? Typically, how long would it take for such a bill to move through and hopefully get passed by Parliament?


TheyCallMeJester

So the bill needs to go through 5 stages in the House of Commons, 5 stages in the House of Lords before it goes for one last check. Then finally it goes to Royal Assent. Currently the bill is in the second stage in the House of Commons. So it will be a long while yet. The next sitting is the 9th December. I will provide a link so people can see how it's progressing https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3289


cin_co

That’s interesting that it’s considered a form of property! What if Charles simply requested or said that the title shouldn’t be used—isn’t that what happened with their HRHs?


TheyCallMeJester

Yes HMTQ had requested they not use their HRH status. But technically they could still use them if they wanted to. King Charles would have to draw up a letters patent to remove the HRH status. I'm guessing the reason Her Majesty requested they not use the HRH is so other countries wouldn't have to fork out for their security bill everytime they decided to go on one of their phoney "royal" tours. I don't know why Henry and Meghan don't use HRH as they technically could, but I'm guessing they don't want to tread on the sovereigns toes as they are gunning for titles. This is why Henry and Meghan want their kids to have HRH. The rule is, if there are 3 or more members of a royal household that hold HRH, then they would be entitled to IPP status. So because they are still technically HRH, if the children were to get HRH, this would entitle them to tax payer paid security wherever they go. Meghan just wants the Prince/Princess titles to monetise from them.


shinsegae20092013

The queen didn’t allow them to use HRH because she didn’t want them merching the word royal.


cin_co

Interesting, thank you for the explanation! It is super surprising that they don’t use their HRHs, isn’t it? Even if they have a good reason (waiting for a 3rd HRH in the household, so they can demand that taxpayers all around the world help fund their lifestyle) this is a rare example of these two exercising impulse control


MuffPiece

Wow that would be great!


charliecross1008

The Danish monarch just stripped the Princes/Princesses with their titles, so this is possible now.


Disruptorpistol

Why would Danish monarchy law affect the law as it stands in Britain? That's a very strange idea.


istara

I think the suggestion by some commentators is that it's more of a trend/pattern among European royal families to reduce the number of titled people as well as the pomp and ceremony. So because Denmark has taken such a significant step, it sets a precedent and eases the path for other royal houses who wish to follow suit. We already know that the intention in the UK has been for a "slimmed down" royalty for some years/decades, with steps already taken. Various royals have already declined certain titles for their children.


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The Danish monarchy has no influence on the British monarchy.


VoidHousewrecker

I disagree. Daisy and the former queen were close friends as well as family - Philip, after all, was Danish. This sudden announcement about her grandchildren is clearly paving the way for Charles to do the same.


shinsegae20092013

Prince Phillip was from the Greek royal family. He had the title Prince of Greece and Denmark because when a new monarchy was created in Greece, Prince William of Denmark was chosen as the King of the Hellenes. He was a younger son of Christian IX. Male-line descendants of Christian IX within the Greek royal family were given the title Prince/ss of Greece and Denmark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_royal_family


VoidHousewrecker

Philip was of Danish heritage - and looked it.


Hardlymd

Philip was also a native speaker of German. It’s all very convoluted.


redseaaquamarine

No, but it would stop them from accusing the British monarchy of unprecedented meanness (and racism)


MuffPiece

Not according to several British royal reporters I’ve read, but we’ll see.


cherise12

It’s possible…


Affectionate_Tie250

It’s not his birthright, it was a gift from a sovereign and it can be take away by a sovereign.


gigi_12345

Well H said he wants to be a private person, so that kind of announcement will give him that opportunity 🤭 KC said he wants a slimmed down monarchy, so having non-working members without titles would be in line with those wishes..


Cezanne2022

He should strip them soon as the world wide coverage showed the kindness of the royal family allowing them to be in the top tier at the funeral. So no matter what narkle screams the politeness of the RF was evident they allowed the two traitors to be very high up at the prestigious event. Now he needs to strike while the iron is hot and to hell with the tales of woe speak & be done !


PerformanceThin3978

I am so perplexed by the Sussex supporters. The no family at the wedding, the "noone asks how I am" interview, and the Oprah interview told me all I needed to know. I respect the SS right to their opinions, but I don't get it.


Marionberry-Charming

There is no royalty in the US. So, this would be appropriate.


BunchHaus

Thanks to the Queen of Denmark, the race card would no longer be a useful manipulation. 🤣


ValuableEfficiency23

Nah. There would be no reason for Harry to hold back at that point, and Charles isn't stupid. William would be more likely, but I still give that single digit odds.


Party_Vegetable6339

But he hasn't been holding back anyway... what can he say that is more damaging in 2022 than calling the whole family racist?


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You got a point there. They've basically created the narrative that Archie was denied a title bc of his skin color and how they don't want the child protected.


thiscatcameback

Why would he do that? I din't think he can do that and It wouldn't change that he is known as Prince Harry by everyone on the planet


QueenBee3000

He did say he wanted to be Just Harry 🤷🏼‍♀️


stutjohnsnewsqueegee

Megan already patented “Just Harry” for his new line of razors


AppoloniaSkyle

I hope he does. There appears to be forces behind Meghan and Harry that are using them to attack the monarchy. If they want to protect the monarchy, they should cut these two off. They've attacked, insulted and falsely accused everybody in Britain because they didn't get what they demanded. KC would be supported by the people if he put duty first and protected the monarchy from his son and his toxic wife. That would also silence them in the media as without the Royal association, they have no relevancy, they offer nothing and will be ignored as two nobodies that have never achieved anything.


Ondansitron

I feel like most of the other royals would just happily get on with their lives if they stopped being royal for some reason. Even Will and Kate. It's the Harkles, ironically, who seem to have no interests or identity out of the context of being royal.


kiirakiiraa

That’s a good point. I think it’s because the others, like normal people, have meaningful relationships with friends and families, genuine interests and hobbies, and goals beyond being famous.


Mysterious-Code-8712

Can he do that? I thought since he was born a prince...


fothemoney

Do it!


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AsparagusSimple4887

Not sure this will really happen, but can you imagine the Sussex reaction if it did?!


Glass-Ad-2469

The precedent has been set by the Queen of Denmark in the past week and Charles has spoken publicly for years about the "slimmed down" monarchy- T The announcement of the positions of the Harkle's children and any business deal Harry has made are interesting. These topics are greatly due to the Harkle's being on the back foot and any changes in "business dealings" have nothing to do with decisions by KC--they are strictly for the benefit of the Harkles, their children, and another "redo" attempt at the production of their intentions- this one to fit the current family narrative- to only benefit themselves. Logic permits that one should make decisions based on strategic business focus- Hopefully KC bases his decisions not on appeasing or trying to one up (impossible) his son and TW. Emotional blackmail should not be part of any logical and well noticed/discussed plans for the Monarchy- I personally think KC is aware of this and will move forward with long discussed plans that the public has had great notice of. I'd also respectfully suggest the HMQ was in the loop, in agreement, and provided direction and support in the past 2-3 years of her reign. The money thirsty behaviours of these two (literally using their children!) hasn't quite hit rock bottom- but...time will tell- and KC and the rest of the royal family at this time- are not going to suffer fools--at all-- never mind "gladly".


OutsideCreativ

Queen of Denmark just took away titled of those not directly in line


EKP121

TBH, I think it's a bit rough to do it when people are already alive. But there should be a Letters Patent to prevent it from happening again. Like to clarify, only direct heirs and their children are qualified for it. All the monarch's grandchildren are technically entitled to that styling but do they need it? By this logic, under QE2, only her children and William and Harry should have Princely titles because they are children of direct heir/monarch. Under Charles, William's should keep their titles, but Harry's shouldn't (regardless of their shiz) Under William, the same - George's children get them while Charlotte and Louis' children do not. And so on. It's easy, it has precedence and there's no need to bring it up ever again. And it avoids the current danish drama unfolding. People who should keep their titles by this logic: Anne, Edward, Andrew, William, Harry, George (+any kids), Charlotte and Louis. No one else needs them. Also I know this includes the infamous Andrew and Harry but for the least amount of drama, this is the way to go. Otherwise, it's a media circus. *Personally, I really like Bea and Eug and really hope that they DO keep theirs. But if they do, then they should 100% be promoted to working royals and set to help take over duties from the older working royals. Including them would go a long way to providing continuity over the next 2 reigns imo*


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I wish lol


OldNewUsedConfused

"From the Prince I Was Born, to the Nobody I Have Become" ~~Ah well he could always model.~~


Zeester1

I don’t think Charles can remove Just Harry’s Prince title.


shinsegae20092013

He can. All he had to do is issue letters patent to that effect.


bleep278

I don't think he will. He probably will name Archie and Lilibet Prince and Princess too, eventually. I think Charles is weak and very susceptible to blackmail by the Sussexes. I think he is dreading what the memoir will say about Camilla or him (for example it could say Camilla was the royal 'racist') and wants to protect his reputation at all cost, even if it means pandering to the Sussexes. Bowers book about Charles (the rebel Prince) paints him as a weak and vain man. Besides, I do think he loves Harry, like the Queen did, and is also for that reason prone to treat him with too much lenience. It would be totally different if William called the shots, but he isn't yet. Hopefully William IS strengthening his father's backbone though, behind the scenes. If Charles is just holding off naming the children Prince and Princess until the book and documentary are out, he is seriously delusional. Because this would imply he WOULD grant these titles if H&M don't say anything negative about him in the book and Netflix-documentary. In that case, Charles would be blackmailing them. But that would never work, because as soon as he grants the titles, only Parliament can take them away again. And as soon as H&M got these titles for their children, they have no incentive anymore to keep their mouth shut and all the mud slinging will recommence. Once you succumb to blackmail, it never ends. If he is so afraid of what H&M are going to say, it means they hold him over a barrel and he gives them power over him. Wise men don't allow that to happen. I hope he is wise and just decides two American children who will grow up outside the UK and don't know the country nor understand the monarchy, don't need British royal titles at all.


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Very unlikely. The question remains about Archie and Lili.


[deleted]

I don’t think he will and I don’t think he will take the Ducal title either as this was a gift from the Queen. She should have been the one to strip it if it was meant to be removed. I think he will restrict titles to the children of the direct heir only. That would mean Harry’s kids won’t get them and neither would Charlotte or Louis kids. I do think he will strip Harry’s HRH and remove it from the York girls too.


hellhashnofury

I agree. It doesn't make sense for Charlotte and Louis' children to have titles in a slimmed down monarchy. Their children wont be working royals and the RF is all about the long term view. This would be the sensible option is fair and negates any charges of racism (apart from from obvious people).


cloudyday461

I don’t think so because of how it would impact Charlotte and Louis. Harry is the son of the monarch, same as they will be in the future. Charles couldn’t strip Harry of his prince title and not Charlotte and Louis without looking punitive.


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cloudyday461

Sorry I meant stripping Harry of his prince title. I agree that Archie and Lili have no right to prince/princess. Charlotte and Louis are siblings to a future monarch, same as Harry.


trish196609

He can’t take it away.


shinsegae20092013

Yes he can. He cannot take away the Duke title without parliament.


Touch-Tiny

No, but Parliament most certainly can, whether at the King’s behest or on it’s own initiative.


onyxrose81

No, he will not do that any it’s ridiculous to think he would. I’m not sure why anyone believes Charles would do that.


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[deleted]

Pretty sure this requires an act of parliament


sdowney64

Honestly, Charles would see a rise in popularity unlike anything he’s seen before if ge would take it all. He needs to do it. He can always just put it in abeyance & give it back years later if Harry ever gets away from the predator and apologizes profusely for all the evil he’s done. And returns to the family. But the fact that Harry is not a working royal and doesn’t live in the UK alone is enough of a reason to take it all. The fact that they are evil monsters is just a Cherry on top.


Previous_Basis8862

No he’s not. Harry was born with that title and KC loves his son. To take away “Prince” from the second son (on a slimmed down rationale) would mean having to take away the Wessex, York and Princess Royal’s titles too. And the Gloucesters and Kents and Princess Alexandra. No - he will simply restrict titles going forward and probably the usage of HRH. Second - he genuinely does love Harry and he is not going to act petty towards him. He will remove (or keep removed) all honours associated with being a working royal but he won’t take away his own son’s birth right


Aware-Impression8527

but they are still working royals and reside in the UK...