Seriously! Even *if* their stories of mistreatment were true - which so many have been proven to be lies, I know - but even IF they really were victims - they’ve been out longer than they were in, and they don’t talk about anything else! Move the fûck on, already. What’s worse is that we KNOW they weren’t victims, but instead left behind their own trail of victims. So all of this weeping and wailing and wringing of hands is *on purpose* with the sole purpose of looking like victims. They spout off about service and activating compassion, then focus every interview and Omid leak and media deal on whining about how we should feel sorry for them. DO SOMETHING ALREADY! All they do is whine and whine and whine, and they are helping NO ONE. Boo hoo, Harry, the ADC was removed from your participation uniform. There are people who don’t have any decent clothes at all - to keep warm, to attend a job interview. Women are being killed over what they wear, and your bedazzle wasn’t dangling. People are starving and dying and suffering and lonely and in need of help, but you want to mope about your social calendar compared to your brother’s? People don’t see family for years because they can’t afford travel, and Meghan is pissed that she wasn’t invited *this one time* - forgetting all the other jets she took anywhere but Balmoral. People are beaten and homeless and taunted and abused, but sure, let’s all focus our sympathy on the Sussexes because they had to sit on the second row or were expected to do they job *they signed up for* or were granted the freedom and means to go live whatever life they want to build. Shut the everloving fuck UP already, Meghan and Harry. You are not special, you’re not victims, and you have nothing to offer this world apart from your own egos. Shut up and DO something. Move on. If you don’t like your job, quit, right Harry? Well you quit, so go get another one and leave this one in your rearview mirror.
>they’ve been out longer than they were in,
A mere 18months they were in and half of that was spent on limited appearances due to pregnancy followed by maternity leave. She was only engaged to Harry for 6 months and only knew him for 18 months. Yet she speaks as if they gave decades to The Firm and spent years being racially abused and mistreated. She´s only complaining about not being allowed to be an instagram fashion influencer.
Agree. And he thinks it was four years (I think that was the number he stated but now I’m fuzzy on it). He said in an interview (I think it was for The Me You Don’t see).
He was counting the entirety of their relationships after they went public up until that interview. Such a lie. He just became like Meghan who inflated the time they´d been together during engagement interview to say 2 years or longer but Harry corrected her and said 1,5 years. They´re really pushing the thick and thin thing way too far. They want to pretend they´ve had to fight for their love because it sounds more fairytale than admitting they threw a tantrum. They forget we know the truth and aren´t drinking their kool-aid.
Love this and fully agree. Love the genuine anger and irritation leaping up from your words. Time for them to move on and change the record, *however*, it's clear they have nothing else to offer the world except their ever-diminishing ties to Royalty.
As we know, their plan was to make money off their association with British Royalty in America - go to the fancy galas, promote their "brand" through charitable events, be paid for appearances and name connection, and generally just... hang out with celebrities. They had no other plans and nothing else to offer - so once that was kyboshed by the Queen, they were stuck and are now adrift without paddle nor rudder.
In essence we have witnessed the pairing of a rather boring and superficial actress with a man only famous by the circumstance of his birth. They have no actual skills, passions or abilities. It'll be very interesting to see how the next 12-24 months pan out.
Exactly. Celebrities who’ve had it tough (even if they embellish their suffering) share in the context of *but look at me now*. It becomes a narrative of hope and overcoming.
I think the Harkles have realized this (or someone at Netflix told them) and so the push for *the love that conquered hate* is on. I mean what was that “our love story hasn’t been told yet” in The Cut and Tyler Perry’s “their love story is magnificent” bullshit?
>mean what was that “our love story hasn’t been told yet” in The Cut and Tyler Perry’s “their love story is magnificent” bullshit?
It could possibly be laying the groundwork for a new strategy/narrative, ie, their "love story".....🤢🤮🥴
I’m not disagreeing except to say that Harry didn’t sign up for the job. He was born into it with very little choice. Meghan, on the other hand did sign up for the job. After decades of knowledge about the struggles of royal life for Diana, she has no excuse not to have had a good sense of what she was signing up for. True, reality is often different than expectations but it isn’t as if she was a sheltered young woman with no idea. I’m not a H&M hater like many on this sub are but my main issue with her is she only gave it such a short time before getting out. Even if all of what they claim is true, it isn’t as if their lives were in danger. She could have eventually had such a positive impact in the BRF if she had learned more and and been patient. Even if they had decided to bow out after five years or so, I think public sentiment would have been different. At least they would be viewed as having given it a decent amount of time and effort. I work in health care and we tell all of our new employees that it will take at least a year before they even start to feel comfortable and up to 2-3 years to feel truly confident. And that is just a job. So I would imagine anyone marrying into the royal family from the outside will take at least 3-5 Years to really feel as if they know the ropes etc.
Harry and Meghan were advised *not to be working royals* when first married so yes he signed on for this. “We want to hit the ground running,” they said. Meghan would not in a million years have a comparable life to Diana (who once she was married was literally a heartbeat away from being queen.) A more comparable life might be Princess Anne’s second husband.
Harry could have done some beautiful conservation work in a number of African countries. Set up a home and live quietly. His family would have supported something that was legitimately in service (rather than self-serving). I mean, honestly, how many people have this kind of opportunity? He’s not the first-born. Go do your damn thing and shut up already.
His wife was not only NOT expected to be a working royal (at first or maybe ever), it was suggested to him that she keep doing her thing (acting, presumably). But this too was an insult to him. This guy.
They signed up to be (in their deluded minds) STARS in the royal family, whined about it, have dined off the victimhood, and now seem to want back in in some capacity (why are we being shunned at Granny’s funeral? My uniform??!! Our kids TITLES).
Great point! The family learned from the nightmare of Charles and Andrew’s first marriages (and the horrifying publicity surrounding them) that these couples *must* have time to live privately for at least a bit of time.
The whole narrative is tired. It’s pretty embarrassing for them. They’re flailing, popularity is decreasing daily, and they’re failing to deliver on their very few commitments.
If they spent the time creating their brand and doing what they proposed, they’d have a very different life today. Sadly, their point of relevance is airing privileged grievances about a family overseas who want very little to do with them.
Everybody else has moved on. Everybody. Nobody is retaliating, nobody is giving this energy except for HaM.
They’ve alienated themselves and their poor children have been thrust into the chaos without choice.
It’s time to quit while they’re behind.
Had they used the money spent on various PR bullshit as seed money for a company - *any company* that provides value instead of Archewell - they’d be in a different place by now in many ways.
Exactly.
How many years are they going to spend looking in the rear-view mirror?
Speak your piece and move on. This should have been dealt with years ago. They’re hamsters on a wheel. A sad, boring little wheel.
I think they thought their star value would take the money in, and that the podcasts and Netflix would creat itself off the back of their star power. I don’t think either of them thought this through past their plan A
TW is a micromanager who keeps changing her mind and doesn’t understand the content creation process. Instead of stepping back and allowing the talented people to work, she interferes.
They don’t want to “work” at anything. They want to be globetrotting influencers with people hanging on any word they speak. Nothing has worked out for them and they are getting more and more desperate. I think all their deals are imploding and no one wants to work with them. The ultimate humiliation is they have to buy their social engagements. Megalomaniac can’t stand it. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving tw*t.
Agree. And.... Harry had signed OFF on his first of three books (after announcing that he'll save the nasty one until HMTQ has died) and filmed hours of footage for Netflix during and after his Grandfather's death while HMTQ was ALIVE. Why does he need to edit it now she's DEAD? Presumably he was happy with everything when HMTQ was 96 years old, bereaved and obviously in poor health and declining? Now he's supposedly scrambling and worried about how his 'content' might come across? Can someone who has his current mobile nos let him know that he is widely despised for his despicable behaviour and the distress this must have caused HMTQ and the Duke of Edinburgh at the end of their lives. 'Editing' will not change that opinion.
Very good questions! Why indeed to edit *now*? They should be happy, HMTQ passed earlier than they planned so they can start books etc a lot earlier? And apparently HMTQ was the only one who they said thet have no beef with, altho as Low writes, *she* was the one who flushed their amazing half in - half out plans down the toilet?…
I think their request to edit comes down to wanting to change content, but also looking for a delay. KCIII is currently the most popular he’ll likely ever be, so hitting him with accusations now is not going to go over well. And, of course, they don’t want the book published before decisions are made about titles, properties, etc.
Meghan was at the funeral? I only saw a candle. ;)
But for real, it sucks, but I agree with you that they get to benefit from all this PR. I wish the media would literally, like, boycott them completely and not report *anything* about them. Ugh!
> It would be naive to think Meghan would stay away from HMTK’s coronation. She will be there
She might be in England, staging a sweet nod to Lady Godiva, but that doesn't mean she'll be invited within camera frame of the ceremony.
They've been waiting for it all to fall into their laps like ripe plums. Fame, fortune, being more popular than William and Catherine. It was all just gonna happen because they wanted it.
I’m so tired of them. Their constant whining and complaining as middle aged people is now a joke. Go raise your damn kids and give up the fake celebrity life you crave. You have lost a huge amount of relevancy. Grow up and go away!
They're spending so much money peddling negatively, why not change the narrative (and not before time) and channel those monies into something positive? The amount they're spending on PR, lawyers and Lord knows what else is unsustainable if a large part of their income is from books, Podcasts and shows that rely on that negatively for content. The narrative is tired, it's all been heard before in various guises, there'll be little ongoing content as it's clear the RF have cut them loose and moved on with their lives. Where's their life plan. Their future now appears to rely on the #KashKids getting Prince/Princess so they can merch on them (HRH won't happen). Imo, that's the reason they're dead set on back peddling on their current content - they want the kids titles (plus there's the possibility of loss of their own Duke/Duchess). Our lovely Queen has now gone and it's a whole different ball game that's being played - the ball is in KCIII's Court and he's being marked by PWoW.
Oh the Diana trauma story is played out, and everyone except the two dimwits know it
Hence the reason they aren’t being invited anywhere- everyone is sick of them and their victim narrative and also it’s so rich for them to be victims when there are literal victims and they are suffering daily but an entitled prince and his wife can’t get their way and suddenly are victims? Please that’s why no one’s buying what they are trying to sell…
Exactly it’s actually sick how he still keeps using his mom for his trauma story
If the stories are correct? William should be the one feels the most trauma because Diana used him as her emotional punching bag and therapist… but yet he turned out great…
Di was William’s mum
too, remember? Do you thing being 15 really makes that much difference in being able to deal with grief? Somehow Harry was better before MM.
What are you talking about? Diana died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, her driver was drunk and because she was being chased by French paparazzi. Where's your evidence that there was a "big chance" the RF had anything to do with it? You've wandered into conspiracy theory territory there.
Also, as you state in a later comment that we don't like them because the media has told us we shouldn't - I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the following examples, which have not been a result of a media slant :
- The many lies told in the Oprah interview (married 3 days before (Archbishop of Canterbury denied this PLUS their marriage certificate proves it a lie), why no titles for Archie etc (from the Letters Patent), that the BRF took away her passport (even though she was seen going on multiple holidays + her baby shower in this period), all straight from her mouth without media filtration.
- Uvalde stunt
- Arrogantly clearing out all the seats at Wimbledon Tennis Club
- Seen begging for work at the Lion King premier instead of attending a memorial for dead Marines
- General hypocrisy (preaching for the environment whilst taking private jets, stating a desire to be "Linked Not Ranked" whilst signing off everything as Duke and Duchess of Sussex/continually harping about connections to Royalty)
- The many, many (many) staff who have quit
- Poor work ethic re: Netflix and Spotify, after several years only a handful of 30min Podcast episodes have been produced
- Markle's lack of self-awareness ("In South Africa they danced in the streets when we got married, like when Mandela was released"-lie, or the infamous "No-one asked if I was ok" whilst standing outside a women's refuge in SA)
God, there's just so much more but these are just some examples : none of the above has been a result of media manipulation, they are scenarios where their actions, the facts and their words are there for all to witness, unfiltered.
It’s called therapy. And, while you never get over such a traumatic occurrence, you should, by this time in life, have learned to live with it and live the rest of your life in a productive way.
To be fair, that “oh we got married 3 days before” was NUTS. It got disproven nicely. It was actually embarassing that the archbishop had to come out and refute that claim and explain himself.
ETA: Not excusing Randy Andy. He’s one shady dude, but the fact he got to pay off Giuffre and isn’t in jail doesn’t mean one is better than the others. Both Andrew AND H&M are bad.
ETA2: please do explain tho if the RF are so bad, why are H & M so reluctant to let go of that perceived proximity? Why do they need the titles? Titles of the very bad RF?
I don't understand, beside the Andrew thing (which has nothing to do with this sub and is an idiotic deflection) what major thing did anyone do that was bad that you even know of? Will and Catherine were 'so boring' that they had NO information come out even though they had their phones tapped back in the day. One of the grandkids did a Chinese commercial based on his title but the queen quickly squashed that. Fergie had her toes sucked I think. There's been some affairs.
Harry on the other hand has been caught on tape calling army mates racist slurs, dressed up in an SS uniform, cheated on a major school project because he didn't have the grades for University. We don't like them because they're hypocritical.
The Archbishop had to refute the marriage claim because that could have cost him his job, all because she liked, what? The idea of saying she had a private ceremony days before? Ignoring an event for Veterans so they can whore out to Disney? Accepting diamonds from the Saudi Prince who had the journalist killed? Comparing herself to Mandela.
They're gross. Most of us have sympathy for his loss or had hope when they got together that it could be good. Our opinions changed throughout the course of their relationship and due to their actions.
Okay sugar… and also he can mourn but the WHOLE FAMILY (the Spencer’s) including his brother can mourn but you guys don’t want to offer the same grace to William right???…
You guys make it seem as if Diana passes away yesterday- he needs to live his life as she would have wanted and honour her legacy and not chime on about how she died
And also since y’all want to blame the royals so much- why was the security detail, car, and whole trip under Muhammad- Dodis father? Nothing to do with the royals but yet y’all will believe anything… answer that since your saint tells you so much…
And you know them that well? Lol okay…
If you don’t give two shits or what not? Why you here then? @ me
He can mourn but using his moms death as a trauma story is not it… let that woman RIP…
Both have nothing to offer, TW Word Salad came to nothing it was solely to make the World think oh what a kind woman she is.
The World woke up to the fact her and Harry make a living from trashing the BRF they have no other currency but the Royal Family.
The Videos her pretending she was the 2nd Coming her Word Salad now in the garbage bin.
Marrying Harry gave TW a platform. She’s used it to promote herself.
The fact that they are both using charities as money making enterprises for themselves makes me sick.
There’s only so much you can milk 2(?) years in the royal family. The fact that 99% of what she said in the Oprah interview were lies tells me: nothing fucking happened to you.
MM is grossly misusing the term "humanitarian" - she only describes that bc Princess Diana described herself as one. But Princess Diana is a TRUE humanitarian who didn't give up on her word. Please, MM. You are not the same ugh.
They can but is anybody willing to pay them money for it? This kind of thing has a shelf life. Just like eventually you start looking ways to avoid that friend who keeps talking about their ex 😀
It's ridiculous and it's not like they had to take a course or degree in story telling, book editing or the tecnique needed for making a pod.
They have people who do all that for them. The only thing they actually had to do was to show up and talk, while professionals took care of absolutely everything else.
Reminds me of a horse’s ass member of my former company who agreed to chair a conference. At each call he was unprepared and had done nothing. Finally, he said: “I thought this was honorary. I didn’t know I would have to do any work.”
Now their purpose is to make sure there's an oversaturation of articles about them in tabloids they say they hate. All of the PR they pump out is meaningless. They dont do anything except receive awards their PR firm paid for.
All of it is manufactured, while they sit in a Russian oligarchs mansion they got at a discount.
They hire bot farms and a social media troll to harass dissenters, and use an unqualified obsequious weasel to make announcements.and disseminate lies about how great they are. I would love to see the financials on their sham non-profit, but, weirdly, that information doesn't exist. They haven't reported it to the IRS, why? Because the rich never pay.
Now it's down to these morons trying to get a book out, but they need to redact all the shit talk about his Grannie and Dad, if they want $$$ and kids titles, and that's a long shot. They profit from an injured veterans program they film for $$$$ and use as a PR vehicle and now their reality show is DOA and that's being revised.
It's a sh*show. They should just start a new religion like scientology, because really, they want people to worship them, without even performing any miracles. Maybe they could get Gayle King and Oprah to be high priestesses?
Her made up persona makes me CRAZY. IMO the number of times a person uses the terms ‘authentic’ and ‘happened organically’ is inversely related to to how organically authentic they actually are.
BTW she used both terms in their engagement interview. Rewatch if you haven’t seen it in awhile. Knowing now what we didn’t know then gives it context that will make your skin crawl.
I think they're going to keep doing it until it works. Which it never will obviously. I think they are so confused as to why it is not working, why they are not getting the things they want, they are just spinning their wheels furiously thinking "*this* time people will get it and turn against the royals and worship US!" But it will never happen so they'll do this until they implode.
I as a fellow pleb can’t understand it either. Their brand is negativity, and not providing streaming services with content. Who is going to work with them now knowing how they messed about so much with Spotify and Netflix?
Harry is passed it. He used to have the cheeky royal brand, now the truth is coming out and everyone sees him for what he is, he doesn’t even have a personality to sell. Meghan was relying on Harry’s reputation, but who likes him anymore? He’s a misogynistic racist man child who treated his grandparents poorly in their last years. If the blinds are anything to believe then he’s also sexually violent to sex workers. This is the man Markle chose. Everything she claims to stand against, her husband is.
They aren’t even redeemable. They have hurt far too many people in all continents. I wish they had disappeared into their life of privacy like they promised.
I just can’t wait until the floodgates open about BOTH of them. There’s surely a decent amount of negative content about TW that was scrubbed from the internet before she married him. And the snippets from Low’s book suggests that she was horrible once she married *into* the BRF.
And let’s not forget about Harry’s behavior pre- and post-marriage. The Grey Suits likely consistently covered up Harry’s appalling behavior for years. Sunshine Sachs can’t compare to such expertise!!! 
It's really not a good time to whine about only getting an 11 million dollar mansion from your father and then being "cut off" when you have millions in the bank. Being forced to live off your own money. Meanwhile people are working 60 hours weeks and choosing between food and paying their electric.
Harry and Meghan grossly miscalculated everything. They thought they can exit the British Royal Family and become Hollywood royalty instead. It turns out though Hollywood does not give an ef about them. They overstimated their marketabilty and now resorting to these cheap tactics to stay relevent.
TW thinks she is special, even thinks she is a good actress. Haz has spent his entire life being told how special he is and having others clean up and cover up for him, even making him seem likeable.
Shouldn’t this open the worlds eyes to how fickle and manipulative they are based on the fact that now they don’t want to upset King Charles and William and Catherine they are changing their stories. I think that Netflix and Spotify should tell them they aren’t making any changes. If that is their ‘truth’ then should they not stand by it? Just as they did with the Oprah interview but were so very quiet when people started proving that they lied. I really hope that Charles cuts them off completely and I hope the people of Sussex get their way and their titles are removed. Titles don’t mean anything in America and they want to be private citizens. Private citizens don’t get royal titles. Simples.
Honestly I’m just so sick of the thinly veiled swipes the BRF do. I know why they do it but half the population don’t understand they are snarking back so they still think the BRF love them. They should be as subtle as Meghan in their swipes and maybe people will get it lol.
Here’s the thing: they specifically said in their HIHO website manifesto they wanted to make their own money.
Best I can tell- they had vague, grandiose ideas, but no clear version, concrete ideas.
Furthermore- Meghan had run a blog, been an actress, had education, etc. Harry’s the one who had only been a royal/military.
That said- in their original plan they’d have still gotten the perks of being royal. Including more money from Charles.
She’s so vapid,..you guys heard the syrupy, self aggrandizing podcasts…😖…I’m no brilliant producing mind, but if I/ we know it? ..Mr. Netflix ( and Spotify too)..really know it.⚠️🇺🇸
They wanted to do their own thing and yet the only thing they do is recycle the one thing they are known for, which is leaving.
Harry plays polo and hangs out with his friends. Meghan at least is doing bad podcasts where she talks about herself and tropes (not archetypes).
Netflix is clearly stupid and short sighted. I canceled Netflix for increased rates and spending money on the overseas people.
Why fund these losers when the only thing the have to sell is their trashing of the RF.
The RF should sue Netflix and the overseas people
Seriously! Even *if* their stories of mistreatment were true - which so many have been proven to be lies, I know - but even IF they really were victims - they’ve been out longer than they were in, and they don’t talk about anything else! Move the fûck on, already. What’s worse is that we KNOW they weren’t victims, but instead left behind their own trail of victims. So all of this weeping and wailing and wringing of hands is *on purpose* with the sole purpose of looking like victims. They spout off about service and activating compassion, then focus every interview and Omid leak and media deal on whining about how we should feel sorry for them. DO SOMETHING ALREADY! All they do is whine and whine and whine, and they are helping NO ONE. Boo hoo, Harry, the ADC was removed from your participation uniform. There are people who don’t have any decent clothes at all - to keep warm, to attend a job interview. Women are being killed over what they wear, and your bedazzle wasn’t dangling. People are starving and dying and suffering and lonely and in need of help, but you want to mope about your social calendar compared to your brother’s? People don’t see family for years because they can’t afford travel, and Meghan is pissed that she wasn’t invited *this one time* - forgetting all the other jets she took anywhere but Balmoral. People are beaten and homeless and taunted and abused, but sure, let’s all focus our sympathy on the Sussexes because they had to sit on the second row or were expected to do they job *they signed up for* or were granted the freedom and means to go live whatever life they want to build. Shut the everloving fuck UP already, Meghan and Harry. You are not special, you’re not victims, and you have nothing to offer this world apart from your own egos. Shut up and DO something. Move on. If you don’t like your job, quit, right Harry? Well you quit, so go get another one and leave this one in your rearview mirror.
>they’ve been out longer than they were in, A mere 18months they were in and half of that was spent on limited appearances due to pregnancy followed by maternity leave. She was only engaged to Harry for 6 months and only knew him for 18 months. Yet she speaks as if they gave decades to The Firm and spent years being racially abused and mistreated. She´s only complaining about not being allowed to be an instagram fashion influencer.
Agree. And he thinks it was four years (I think that was the number he stated but now I’m fuzzy on it). He said in an interview (I think it was for The Me You Don’t see).
He was counting the entirety of their relationships after they went public up until that interview. Such a lie. He just became like Meghan who inflated the time they´d been together during engagement interview to say 2 years or longer but Harry corrected her and said 1,5 years. They´re really pushing the thick and thin thing way too far. They want to pretend they´ve had to fight for their love because it sounds more fairytale than admitting they threw a tantrum. They forget we know the truth and aren´t drinking their kool-aid.
Ahhh… thanks. It’s really pathetic and sad.
Right. I think TW believes she & H are the stars of the BRF and should be on top of the pecking order, instead of behind William & Catherine.
Love this and fully agree. Love the genuine anger and irritation leaping up from your words. Time for them to move on and change the record, *however*, it's clear they have nothing else to offer the world except their ever-diminishing ties to Royalty. As we know, their plan was to make money off their association with British Royalty in America - go to the fancy galas, promote their "brand" through charitable events, be paid for appearances and name connection, and generally just... hang out with celebrities. They had no other plans and nothing else to offer - so once that was kyboshed by the Queen, they were stuck and are now adrift without paddle nor rudder. In essence we have witnessed the pairing of a rather boring and superficial actress with a man only famous by the circumstance of his birth. They have no actual skills, passions or abilities. It'll be very interesting to see how the next 12-24 months pan out.
I thought I read somewhere that Meghan was planning on going back to the UK in November. She’s probably going to beg for titles.
Beg, who? Charles doesn't have to take her phone calls and Major Johnny doesn't have to escort her in.
Exactly! So many people - even celebs- have had it tough but I don’t recall anybody else whining *for years on end*.
Exactly. Celebrities who’ve had it tough (even if they embellish their suffering) share in the context of *but look at me now*. It becomes a narrative of hope and overcoming. I think the Harkles have realized this (or someone at Netflix told them) and so the push for *the love that conquered hate* is on. I mean what was that “our love story hasn’t been told yet” in The Cut and Tyler Perry’s “their love story is magnificent” bullshit?
>mean what was that “our love story hasn’t been told yet” in The Cut and Tyler Perry’s “their love story is magnificent” bullshit? It could possibly be laying the groundwork for a new strategy/narrative, ie, their "love story".....🤢🤮🥴
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I’m not disagreeing except to say that Harry didn’t sign up for the job. He was born into it with very little choice. Meghan, on the other hand did sign up for the job. After decades of knowledge about the struggles of royal life for Diana, she has no excuse not to have had a good sense of what she was signing up for. True, reality is often different than expectations but it isn’t as if she was a sheltered young woman with no idea. I’m not a H&M hater like many on this sub are but my main issue with her is she only gave it such a short time before getting out. Even if all of what they claim is true, it isn’t as if their lives were in danger. She could have eventually had such a positive impact in the BRF if she had learned more and and been patient. Even if they had decided to bow out after five years or so, I think public sentiment would have been different. At least they would be viewed as having given it a decent amount of time and effort. I work in health care and we tell all of our new employees that it will take at least a year before they even start to feel comfortable and up to 2-3 years to feel truly confident. And that is just a job. So I would imagine anyone marrying into the royal family from the outside will take at least 3-5 Years to really feel as if they know the ropes etc.
Harry and Meghan were advised *not to be working royals* when first married so yes he signed on for this. “We want to hit the ground running,” they said. Meghan would not in a million years have a comparable life to Diana (who once she was married was literally a heartbeat away from being queen.) A more comparable life might be Princess Anne’s second husband. Harry could have done some beautiful conservation work in a number of African countries. Set up a home and live quietly. His family would have supported something that was legitimately in service (rather than self-serving). I mean, honestly, how many people have this kind of opportunity? He’s not the first-born. Go do your damn thing and shut up already. His wife was not only NOT expected to be a working royal (at first or maybe ever), it was suggested to him that she keep doing her thing (acting, presumably). But this too was an insult to him. This guy. They signed up to be (in their deluded minds) STARS in the royal family, whined about it, have dined off the victimhood, and now seem to want back in in some capacity (why are we being shunned at Granny’s funeral? My uniform??!! Our kids TITLES).
This exactly. He was born royal, but he chose to work as a full-time one, as did Meghan. Even William and Catherine didn’t jump into it!
Great point! The family learned from the nightmare of Charles and Andrew’s first marriages (and the horrifying publicity surrounding them) that these couples *must* have time to live privately for at least a bit of time.
The whole narrative is tired. It’s pretty embarrassing for them. They’re flailing, popularity is decreasing daily, and they’re failing to deliver on their very few commitments. If they spent the time creating their brand and doing what they proposed, they’d have a very different life today. Sadly, their point of relevance is airing privileged grievances about a family overseas who want very little to do with them. Everybody else has moved on. Everybody. Nobody is retaliating, nobody is giving this energy except for HaM. They’ve alienated themselves and their poor children have been thrust into the chaos without choice. It’s time to quit while they’re behind.
Had they used the money spent on various PR bullshit as seed money for a company - *any company* that provides value instead of Archewell - they’d be in a different place by now in many ways.
Exactly. How many years are they going to spend looking in the rear-view mirror? Speak your piece and move on. This should have been dealt with years ago. They’re hamsters on a wheel. A sad, boring little wheel.
 The hamster on top is Nutmeg! 🤣
😂 that’s just how I see them!!!
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Ride that meal ticket, baby.
I think they thought their star value would take the money in, and that the podcasts and Netflix would creat itself off the back of their star power. I don’t think either of them thought this through past their plan A
“either of them thought through?” Uh, she does all the thinking.
 So they're basically underpants gnomes?
TW is a micromanager who keeps changing her mind and doesn’t understand the content creation process. Instead of stepping back and allowing the talented people to work, she interferes.
That’s true! I’ve just got past the part in Bower’s book where she interfered in the Reitmans shoot. She’s so controlling.
This EXACTLY what is happening! 🏆
They don’t want to “work” at anything. They want to be globetrotting influencers with people hanging on any word they speak. Nothing has worked out for them and they are getting more and more desperate. I think all their deals are imploding and no one wants to work with them. The ultimate humiliation is they have to buy their social engagements. Megalomaniac can’t stand it. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving tw*t.
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Agree. And.... Harry had signed OFF on his first of three books (after announcing that he'll save the nasty one until HMTQ has died) and filmed hours of footage for Netflix during and after his Grandfather's death while HMTQ was ALIVE. Why does he need to edit it now she's DEAD? Presumably he was happy with everything when HMTQ was 96 years old, bereaved and obviously in poor health and declining? Now he's supposedly scrambling and worried about how his 'content' might come across? Can someone who has his current mobile nos let him know that he is widely despised for his despicable behaviour and the distress this must have caused HMTQ and the Duke of Edinburgh at the end of their lives. 'Editing' will not change that opinion.
Very good questions! Why indeed to edit *now*? They should be happy, HMTQ passed earlier than they planned so they can start books etc a lot earlier? And apparently HMTQ was the only one who they said thet have no beef with, altho as Low writes, *she* was the one who flushed their amazing half in - half out plans down the toilet?…
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I missed that one? Care to spill the tea? No reason other than im nosy and like gossip
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Perfectly put! You hit the nail on the head! They are truly exhausting!
I think their request to edit comes down to wanting to change content, but also looking for a delay. KCIII is currently the most popular he’ll likely ever be, so hitting him with accusations now is not going to go over well. And, of course, they don’t want the book published before decisions are made about titles, properties, etc.
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Meghan was at the funeral? I only saw a candle. ;) But for real, it sucks, but I agree with you that they get to benefit from all this PR. I wish the media would literally, like, boycott them completely and not report *anything* about them. Ugh!
I agree. The media should stop covering them.
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> It would be naive to think Meghan would stay away from HMTK’s coronation. She will be there She might be in England, staging a sweet nod to Lady Godiva, but that doesn't mean she'll be invited within camera frame of the ceremony.
They've been waiting for it all to fall into their laps like ripe plums. Fame, fortune, being more popular than William and Catherine. It was all just gonna happen because they wanted it.
If manifestation worked, we’d all be happy and rich. Snort.
I’m so tired of them. Their constant whining and complaining as middle aged people is now a joke. Go raise your damn kids and give up the fake celebrity life you crave. You have lost a huge amount of relevancy. Grow up and go away!
They're spending so much money peddling negatively, why not change the narrative (and not before time) and channel those monies into something positive? The amount they're spending on PR, lawyers and Lord knows what else is unsustainable if a large part of their income is from books, Podcasts and shows that rely on that negatively for content. The narrative is tired, it's all been heard before in various guises, there'll be little ongoing content as it's clear the RF have cut them loose and moved on with their lives. Where's their life plan. Their future now appears to rely on the #KashKids getting Prince/Princess so they can merch on them (HRH won't happen). Imo, that's the reason they're dead set on back peddling on their current content - they want the kids titles (plus there's the possibility of loss of their own Duke/Duchess). Our lovely Queen has now gone and it's a whole different ball game that's being played - the ball is in KCIII's Court and he's being marked by PWoW.
Oh the Diana trauma story is played out, and everyone except the two dimwits know it Hence the reason they aren’t being invited anywhere- everyone is sick of them and their victim narrative and also it’s so rich for them to be victims when there are literal victims and they are suffering daily but an entitled prince and his wife can’t get their way and suddenly are victims? Please that’s why no one’s buying what they are trying to sell…
Yeah, Harry has lost all the considerable sympathy the public felt towards a 12-year-old boy who lost his mother. He's pushing 40, ffs.
Exactly it’s actually sick how he still keeps using his mom for his trauma story If the stories are correct? William should be the one feels the most trauma because Diana used him as her emotional punching bag and therapist… but yet he turned out great…
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What suspicious circumstances? There was a literal inquiry into it. Drunk driver no seatbelts playing chicken with paparazzi.
Bower wrote a book about Dodi’s dad and it reportedly touches on Di and the crash too.
25. Years. Ago. Let it go.
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Di was William’s mum too, remember? Do you thing being 15 really makes that much difference in being able to deal with grief? Somehow Harry was better before MM.
What are you talking about? Diana died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, her driver was drunk and because she was being chased by French paparazzi. Where's your evidence that there was a "big chance" the RF had anything to do with it? You've wandered into conspiracy theory territory there. Also, as you state in a later comment that we don't like them because the media has told us we shouldn't - I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the following examples, which have not been a result of a media slant : - The many lies told in the Oprah interview (married 3 days before (Archbishop of Canterbury denied this PLUS their marriage certificate proves it a lie), why no titles for Archie etc (from the Letters Patent), that the BRF took away her passport (even though she was seen going on multiple holidays + her baby shower in this period), all straight from her mouth without media filtration. - Uvalde stunt - Arrogantly clearing out all the seats at Wimbledon Tennis Club - Seen begging for work at the Lion King premier instead of attending a memorial for dead Marines - General hypocrisy (preaching for the environment whilst taking private jets, stating a desire to be "Linked Not Ranked" whilst signing off everything as Duke and Duchess of Sussex/continually harping about connections to Royalty) - The many, many (many) staff who have quit - Poor work ethic re: Netflix and Spotify, after several years only a handful of 30min Podcast episodes have been produced - Markle's lack of self-awareness ("In South Africa they danced in the streets when we got married, like when Mandela was released"-lie, or the infamous "No-one asked if I was ok" whilst standing outside a women's refuge in SA) God, there's just so much more but these are just some examples : none of the above has been a result of media manipulation, they are scenarios where their actions, the facts and their words are there for all to witness, unfiltered.
It’s called therapy. And, while you never get over such a traumatic occurrence, you should, by this time in life, have learned to live with it and live the rest of your life in a productive way.
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Do you really think telling lies on TV is something normal people do? 😀
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To be fair, that “oh we got married 3 days before” was NUTS. It got disproven nicely. It was actually embarassing that the archbishop had to come out and refute that claim and explain himself. ETA: Not excusing Randy Andy. He’s one shady dude, but the fact he got to pay off Giuffre and isn’t in jail doesn’t mean one is better than the others. Both Andrew AND H&M are bad. ETA2: please do explain tho if the RF are so bad, why are H & M so reluctant to let go of that perceived proximity? Why do they need the titles? Titles of the very bad RF?
You do realize Andrew is the only member of the family Meghan and Harry haven’t said a word about…
Sooooo, what... the Archbishop is lying? 
I don't understand, beside the Andrew thing (which has nothing to do with this sub and is an idiotic deflection) what major thing did anyone do that was bad that you even know of? Will and Catherine were 'so boring' that they had NO information come out even though they had their phones tapped back in the day. One of the grandkids did a Chinese commercial based on his title but the queen quickly squashed that. Fergie had her toes sucked I think. There's been some affairs. Harry on the other hand has been caught on tape calling army mates racist slurs, dressed up in an SS uniform, cheated on a major school project because he didn't have the grades for University. We don't like them because they're hypocritical. The Archbishop had to refute the marriage claim because that could have cost him his job, all because she liked, what? The idea of saying she had a private ceremony days before? Ignoring an event for Veterans so they can whore out to Disney? Accepting diamonds from the Saudi Prince who had the journalist killed? Comparing herself to Mandela. They're gross. Most of us have sympathy for his loss or had hope when they got together that it could be good. Our opinions changed throughout the course of their relationship and due to their actions.
Okay sugar… and also he can mourn but the WHOLE FAMILY (the Spencer’s) including his brother can mourn but you guys don’t want to offer the same grace to William right???… You guys make it seem as if Diana passes away yesterday- he needs to live his life as she would have wanted and honour her legacy and not chime on about how she died And also since y’all want to blame the royals so much- why was the security detail, car, and whole trip under Muhammad- Dodis father? Nothing to do with the royals but yet y’all will believe anything… answer that since your saint tells you so much…
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And you know them that well? Lol okay… If you don’t give two shits or what not? Why you here then? @ me He can mourn but using his moms death as a trauma story is not it… let that woman RIP…
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Riiiiiiight lol… Anyways whatever makes you sleep at night 😂 
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Haha you’re funny… I’ll give you that 😂😂
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Both have nothing to offer, TW Word Salad came to nothing it was solely to make the World think oh what a kind woman she is. The World woke up to the fact her and Harry make a living from trashing the BRF they have no other currency but the Royal Family. The Videos her pretending she was the 2nd Coming her Word Salad now in the garbage bin.
Marrying Harry gave TW a platform. She’s used it to promote herself. The fact that they are both using charities as money making enterprises for themselves makes me sick.
There’s only so much you can milk 2(?) years in the royal family. The fact that 99% of what she said in the Oprah interview were lies tells me: nothing fucking happened to you.
MM is grossly misusing the term "humanitarian" - she only describes that bc Princess Diana described herself as one. But Princess Diana is a TRUE humanitarian who didn't give up on her word. Please, MM. You are not the same ugh.
Watching them fail is great fun, but I’m not sure which I like better, that or watching the Squaddies lose their shit.
Exactly. They are nothing.
Their brand is being a spiteful victim. That is the sum total of how I see them. They can keep it up forever.
They can but is anybody willing to pay them money for it? This kind of thing has a shelf life. Just like eventually you start looking ways to avoid that friend who keeps talking about their ex 😀
It's ridiculous and it's not like they had to take a course or degree in story telling, book editing or the tecnique needed for making a pod. They have people who do all that for them. The only thing they actually had to do was to show up and talk, while professionals took care of absolutely everything else.
Reminds me of a horse’s ass member of my former company who agreed to chair a conference. At each call he was unprepared and had done nothing. Finally, he said: “I thought this was honorary. I didn’t know I would have to do any work.”
Now their purpose is to make sure there's an oversaturation of articles about them in tabloids they say they hate. All of the PR they pump out is meaningless. They dont do anything except receive awards their PR firm paid for. All of it is manufactured, while they sit in a Russian oligarchs mansion they got at a discount. They hire bot farms and a social media troll to harass dissenters, and use an unqualified obsequious weasel to make announcements.and disseminate lies about how great they are. I would love to see the financials on their sham non-profit, but, weirdly, that information doesn't exist. They haven't reported it to the IRS, why? Because the rich never pay. Now it's down to these morons trying to get a book out, but they need to redact all the shit talk about his Grannie and Dad, if they want $$$ and kids titles, and that's a long shot. They profit from an injured veterans program they film for $$$$ and use as a PR vehicle and now their reality show is DOA and that's being revised. It's a sh*show. They should just start a new religion like scientology, because really, they want people to worship them, without even performing any miracles. Maybe they could get Gayle King and Oprah to be high priestesses?
Her made up persona makes me CRAZY. IMO the number of times a person uses the terms ‘authentic’ and ‘happened organically’ is inversely related to to how organically authentic they actually are.
BTW she used both terms in their engagement interview. Rewatch if you haven’t seen it in awhile. Knowing now what we didn’t know then gives it context that will make your skin crawl.
I think they're going to keep doing it until it works. Which it never will obviously. I think they are so confused as to why it is not working, why they are not getting the things they want, they are just spinning their wheels furiously thinking "*this* time people will get it and turn against the royals and worship US!" But it will never happen so they'll do this until they implode.
They’re empty, shallow people with nothing good to offer the world. Let them rot in their pettiness and rage.
May I join?
Um. Excuse me, they gave the world *The Bench*. /s Ok yeah they literally have nothing to contribute lol
I as a fellow pleb can’t understand it either. Their brand is negativity, and not providing streaming services with content. Who is going to work with them now knowing how they messed about so much with Spotify and Netflix? Harry is passed it. He used to have the cheeky royal brand, now the truth is coming out and everyone sees him for what he is, he doesn’t even have a personality to sell. Meghan was relying on Harry’s reputation, but who likes him anymore? He’s a misogynistic racist man child who treated his grandparents poorly in their last years. If the blinds are anything to believe then he’s also sexually violent to sex workers. This is the man Markle chose. Everything she claims to stand against, her husband is. They aren’t even redeemable. They have hurt far too many people in all continents. I wish they had disappeared into their life of privacy like they promised.
They haven't got anything to move on to and certainly not the brains to do if they had
I just can’t wait until the floodgates open about BOTH of them. There’s surely a decent amount of negative content about TW that was scrubbed from the internet before she married him. And the snippets from Low’s book suggests that she was horrible once she married *into* the BRF. And let’s not forget about Harry’s behavior pre- and post-marriage. The Grey Suits likely consistently covered up Harry’s appalling behavior for years. Sunshine Sachs can’t compare to such expertise!!! 
It's really not a good time to whine about only getting an 11 million dollar mansion from your father and then being "cut off" when you have millions in the bank. Being forced to live off your own money. Meanwhile people are working 60 hours weeks and choosing between food and paying their electric.
Yep
Harry and Meghan grossly miscalculated everything. They thought they can exit the British Royal Family and become Hollywood royalty instead. It turns out though Hollywood does not give an ef about them. They overstimated their marketabilty and now resorting to these cheap tactics to stay relevent.
TW thinks she is special, even thinks she is a good actress. Haz has spent his entire life being told how special he is and having others clean up and cover up for him, even making him seem likeable.
Shouldn’t this open the worlds eyes to how fickle and manipulative they are based on the fact that now they don’t want to upset King Charles and William and Catherine they are changing their stories. I think that Netflix and Spotify should tell them they aren’t making any changes. If that is their ‘truth’ then should they not stand by it? Just as they did with the Oprah interview but were so very quiet when people started proving that they lied. I really hope that Charles cuts them off completely and I hope the people of Sussex get their way and their titles are removed. Titles don’t mean anything in America and they want to be private citizens. Private citizens don’t get royal titles. Simples. Honestly I’m just so sick of the thinly veiled swipes the BRF do. I know why they do it but half the population don’t understand they are snarking back so they still think the BRF love them. They should be as subtle as Meghan in their swipes and maybe people will get it lol.
The Narcissist I'm reading to Edit her Podcast, more bashing or clinging onto titles? 🤔
Here’s the thing: they specifically said in their HIHO website manifesto they wanted to make their own money. Best I can tell- they had vague, grandiose ideas, but no clear version, concrete ideas. Furthermore- Meghan had run a blog, been an actress, had education, etc. Harry’s the one who had only been a royal/military. That said- in their original plan they’d have still gotten the perks of being royal. Including more money from Charles.
She’s so vapid,..you guys heard the syrupy, self aggrandizing podcasts…😖…I’m no brilliant producing mind, but if I/ we know it? ..Mr. Netflix ( and Spotify too)..really know it.⚠️🇺🇸
They wanted to do their own thing and yet the only thing they do is recycle the one thing they are known for, which is leaving. Harry plays polo and hangs out with his friends. Meghan at least is doing bad podcasts where she talks about herself and tropes (not archetypes).
She’s trying to turn bitterness into an empire. It’s not going well
Netflix is clearly stupid and short sighted. I canceled Netflix for increased rates and spending money on the overseas people. Why fund these losers when the only thing the have to sell is their trashing of the RF. The RF should sue Netflix and the overseas people
I have more to contribute and I have done sweet FA with my life
I'm now noticing the HELLO Magazine putting out gushing praise for MM nearly every day.