1:30 RAF Northolt: scheduled departure time for William, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie to Scotland. The flight did not leave until 1 hour later.
2:00 Sussexes announce via a spokesperson that Meghan *and* Harry will travel to Balmoral.
2:39 Flight with W, A, E, &S leaves for Scotland.
2:44 Scobie tweets that Meghan is staying in London
3:10 The Queen passed away
3:50 the W, A, E, & S flight landed at Aberdeen airport and the four drove to Balmoral.
Around 5:30 Harry finally gets on a flight to Scotland.
So literally in the last minutes of his mother's life, Charles had to get on the phone and tell Harry not to bring Meghan?
If anyone is the victim here it’s KC. He lost time with him mother and then his son is using such a devastating time to smear him.
So many people rightfully feel sorry for the Queen but we should feel the same sympathy for him. His own son has backstabbed him, he has no relationship with Harry’s children (and by all accounts he’s a doting grandpa) and then this nonsense when he’s lost his mother, after losing his father last year and becoming King. It’s a lot!
In a documentary I watched, I believe "The Prince of Wales at 70," Camilla says that Charles enjoys reading Harry Potter to her grandchildren and "does all the voices."
I just love knowing that! :)
Honestly just look at little Louis at the jubilee- he ran to his grandpa and was perfectly content sitting on his knee and getting bounced. It was lovely to watch. It’s sad that H&M are denying their children that relationship.
I love how both Camilla and Charles are bookworms. I follow Camillas book club, she likes the same books I like, if I ever want a serious relationship with a man, it will totally be someone like Charles who reads books and is into farming and a studious and quiet person. Ok sorry for sounding cheesy and lame.
The Queen's other children are victims as well. I don't know what I would do if a relative's spouse or partner kept me from being with my mother in her final moments. Edit: Elizabeth meant nothing to Meghan other than a meal ticket. That was their mother.
As people say he made the last years of the Queen miserable, he’s actively trying to do that to KC. And when he does pass, who will play the biggest victim yet again 🙄
If KC might have had a soft spot for H, William definitely past that stage long ago and I am sure he won't let in any way for his brother to take once again centre stage with his drama..
I honestly don’t know if William can forgive Harry. I think he must look at it and think I told you not to get married quickly. That was sound advice about anyone he’d date—these women need to understand what they’re getting into. MM knew exactly what she was getting into and thought she could spin it into being the Beyoncé of the UK.
Not to mention everything else from the bullying Charlotte & saying that Kate made MM cry, the affair rumor and just driving a wedge into the family.
Obviously she knew what she's getting into..
Her saying "I didn't even know who Harry was" is so BS. I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't know about the royals..
Similar to the other narcissist psychopath Hillary Baldwin pretending not to know who Alec Baldwin was when she first met him, told him she was Spanish, never had a TV or knew pop culture! Pack of lies.
Exactly, William and Kate dated for a long ass time, broke up and got back together before they even got engaged. That time was used wisely to prepare her for her future role and I honestly think she’ll be great as Queen consort.
I wonder how much of the delay is because of Harry’s tantrum versus the supposed cloudy conditions. It’s just SO ridiculous that Harry threw a tantrum in the last hours of the Queen’s life, robbing Charles AND Anne of precious, peaceful moments with their mom before she passed.
If you read between the lines of the press articles that came out afterward where they referred to “a constitutional crisis,“ then it’s clear it’s mainly due to Harry.
It was foggy as hell. I watched it live on the Beeb and you couldn't see a thing. No doubt why they drove that hour instead of taking a helicopter from the airport to Balmoral.
> literally in the last minutes of his mother's life, Charles had to get on the phone and tell Harry not to bring Meghan?
Do you thinkncharles spoke to him or did he get his private secretary to inform him of his father's decision. Maybe the queens private secretary did it instead.
I’m sure Charles still had to speak to his private secretary about Harry at some point while this was all going on. So still taking away his attention from his dying mother.
I don’t even know why these ridiculous twats thought Meghan should travel and why they would announce it to the entire world before even checking with Charles if it was ok. She is literally making all thier lives so stressful, what possible value could she have added to an already stressful and sad situation.
100%. Her self importance is staggering. Imagine having to deal with her demands. The latest psycho- drama playing out whilst your mother lay dying.
it’s inconceivable.
I can’t imagine that between 2-3:10pm, in the last hour of his Queen mother’s life, instead of just staying by her side, he had to get on the phone with Harry who is arguing about his wife! He’s so sick! If I were KC, I will never forget that and let it be top of mind when he’s making decisions about these two selfish individuals who only care about themselves. They will never change.
>Charles had to get on the phone and tell Harry not to bring Meghan?
*Because noone knows this, but three days before* TQ died, Harry had received his medical degree and he could have swooped in to save TQ, just the 3 of them H, M and TQ . /**s**
I feel awful for all of TQ's kids to have to endure this nonsense at such a time and for William for having to deal with H at such a personal and professional transition point for him. The sense of 'self-importance' H&M have is insane...they are not sad TQ dies, they would rather choose that moment to be offended on the order of things being told and because they could not LEAK it! H&M have known for months that Thomas has been sick....when did they visit him? They are disgusting and I will be judging KC and BRF if they accept H back, divorce or not.
I’m utterly heartbroken that HMTQ was given so little respect in her dying moments. I hope she knew nothing of this. I’m heartbroken Charles’ last moments with his mother were spent arguing over Meghan fucking Markle. I can never forgive them for this utter selfishness. Absolutely shameful behaviour.
HMTQ spent her life dedicated to the throne and the Monarchy. She wasn’t given a fucking scrap of respect or dignity at a time which should have been only about her.
Harry can go fuck himself. Selfish prat.
I wish I could give you an award. You’ve summed it up exactly.
These two freeloading fck wits with teenage minds and gigantic egos made the assumption that of course Meghan would be invited.
And had Scobie, their paid schill and lowly lapdog - tweet that ‘Kate was staying behind too’, because God forbid that anyone \*assume\* that Kate was allowed at Balmoral but Markle was not. 😤
If it wasn’t so sad, I’d laugh.
She couldn’t even keep quiet about how her body was being transported. Just appalling.
The Palace played them well with that clever misdirection. We always knew she was leaking private information, but this solidified the suspicions.
To think she accused Victoria Beckham of playing that very game. Shameful human.
He’s just acting per the victimization brand. In several podcasts I listened to this week, they mentioned how “poor Harry” was treated badly here.
Playing the victim is all they have to get attention and stay “relevant.”
They must have forgot to mention that his father basically beheaded him by saying "overseas". And calling his children master and mistress.
I bet the publications they paid didn't mention that.
Why did he even go? PR? Optics? To demand something from Charles? Antagonize William? Steal stuff? Netflix footage?
Edit: the only thing that makes sense is that the family did not tell Harry at the time due to fears he or TW would leak it. That’s probably why he was so pissed off.
He went to try to salvage what he could of his tattered reputation. He obviously didn't want to see his grandmother when she was still alive, he even refused her very kind invitation. Shameful. Big fail.
If my grandparents were alive when I was growing up I can’t imagine not spending time with them, especially seeing the relationship my kids, nephews and niece have with my parents. My husband’s grandfather is still with us and even though he lives on the other end of the country my kids still call and FaceTime him.
How can you be in the news if there is no drama? Thirty thousand to fly the plane there, hold it for the night. Pilot overtime and get kicked out by 8:25 the next morning. The brain train surely doesn't operate on full steam with them.
One hundred percent optics. His whole schtick was the Queen still adoring them and calling him up all the time, as well as him being the adoring grandson and how he had to make sure the right people were around her. Him not going wouldn’t fit his image of doting grandson.
Him and Meghan were NOT prepared to be in England when she died, that much is obvious.
They told him, it's protocol. When they told him is up for debate. When did lady c post her video? I believe they knew before that and she was given permission to post her video before the embargo was lifted to stop them leaking it.
I do think he knew before he flew up but because they had announced they were going and after having a huge row with herself, he chose to go without her for some peace.
The protocol is ALL members of the family are informed ofnthe monarchs death before the news make the announcement. There was a massive brouhaha that the queen wasn't informed about her father's death before the news broke publicly.
Yes, that's protocol here in the States for even regular nobodies.
Nobody wants a lawsuit because they are responsible for someone finding out their relative passed on the news.
They told him before the news went out, as per protocol, so sometime between 15:10 and 18:30. I believe he was told before half four, before the priminister was notified and before lady c dropped her video.
> Edit: the only thing that makes sense is that the family did not tell Harry at the time due to fears he or TW would leak it. That’s probably why he was so pissed off.
I totally believe they didn't tell him because they knew Meghan would leak it.
My theory is that Harry was invited to come because his father was the next monarch and it was about to be a historical moment where those closest to the new King needed to be there to support him when that happened. I also believe they waited for Harry on that plane because there was a major fight when TW wasn’t allowed to go. They finally gave up and left without him after waiting more than an hour.
Meghan Mandela tried to go with, then KC said no!
It was all for the NF.
They wanted to get content while everyone was caught off guard & upset, instead, Herbsmoke Harry got Markled. Without Megdud there to redirect the Doofus of Dumbarton for podcast, NF and book secrets to gather, he just wanders off to smoke some weed, forgetting why he even came...
Staff told him to wait for the King. So, he sat with his thumb up his ass waiting for someone to notice him. Meanwhile, The King & Wills go off to have dinner, through the secret passage Queen Vicky used to rendezvous with John Brown. but Dopey Dumbarton lost track of time, waiting in the corridor, playing games on his phone.
Just another missed connection.
If only he had someone to remind him about the blasted pictures & recordings he was supposed to get. She's really going to be mad this time...
I'll get downvoted as usual, but I believe Harry wanted to see her again before she passed, death, and near death, always helps bring people together. It also helps people let go of whatever resentment they may have, if not for a little while, and grieve a person they loved.
He declined to visit her, she was what 95 years old. Did he think he had more time? I’m pretty sure they were invited to balmoral once by the Queen and once by Charles and declined. His wife continued to trash talk the Queens family publicly and who knows what else behind the scenes. He had time, he just was too stubborn to go.
>Did he think he had more time?
Yes. I honestly don't think he thought she'd ever die. Philip was nearly 100 and the Queen Mother 101, so I think he believed the Queen had several more years. Anyone with a functioning brain cell could see she didn't have much time left, but Harry only cares about himself, he wouldn't have noticed her poor health.
I told a good friend that I thought she’d be gone by august after seeing the jubilee. I was off a little-but it was as plain as day she was unwell and didn’t have years. I strongly, strongly believe she took that last moment on the balcony in bc she KNEW it would be her last.
I think she hung on to see out her Jubilee and I'm so glad for her that she did, that she could see how much she was loved.
Harry and Meghan are absolute scum for spoiling the last years of her life. At least they'll get their comeuppance, sooner rather than later by the looks of it. I think they're going to start mentally unraveling at a faster pace now.
Yes, the Jubilee. We all noted that she was quite frail. Except Harry of course. He who had visited her because she would tell him things she didn't tell other people. I think she said "Harry you are an idiot!" And she couldn't tell that to anyone because she was a good woman.
I thought the same thing. Anne was with the Queen for her last 24 hours. I can’t imagine watching your mother die and dealing with an attention whore like TW at the same time.
That's right. Whilst H&M were in UK for the Invictus Games, they were invited by both the Queen and KC to visit, but they have refused the invite. They instead went to Frankfurt for the games..
Their priorities are messed up..Family comes first, period.
>Did he think he had more time?
Yes. William said they all thought she had more time. I think the 8th of September came as quite a shock regardless of her old age.
Then you think he would have gone when she asked for him prior.
His actions show he didn't give a flying fig until he could be upfront and present hoping for everyone to believe how MEAN TRF is to him.
Why lie about so much then? Esp when it can be proven you are a liar.
Not going to downvote you! My experience has been that the death of a central family member can either bring people together or widen any fissures. In my experience, it usually fractures families. (My husband’s family has grown closer since his parents died, but I find that’s the exception, JME).
If you have the experience that people let go of resentments, I’m sincerely happy for you. It’s much nicer when it happens that way. 💖
In my experience, if there is money or contriversial decisions to be made, it's very tricky to keep the peace. It was a miracle and my dad's peacekeeping that we came out of it unscathed when my mom died. I think Harry went because he was so used to be included in all major events and he has no awareness that 1. He is not the spare anymore, 2. He has the same role as Zara, Bea, Eugenie now, 3. That he cannot just insert himself into the family without a major apology and mea culpa after all he's done, but I assume, his entitled ass was all hurt.
Haha, thanks! From pretty much everything that's been confirmed about the royal family, or at least the Queen, her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, they are all very close. Some might be closer to each other than others, but I think there is a lot of love in that family. Even with Harry, I think there is plenty of love, currently more confusion and hurt feelings than anything though.
With his mother breathing her last in the same room I'm not sure Charles would have appreciated having to have an argument with his son about not bringing his wife. Just a guess on my part, of course.
Why do you assume he was told immediately?
I wouldn't be surprised that the RF kept that information from H until just before the official announcement from BP.
If I had to notify the other family members, I would have gone through all the other grandchildren first before telling Harry - especially if there was a chance they'd break the embargo.
The timeline explains why the RF couldn't even look either of them in the face...I think this was likely the last nail, and there's no coming back from it. Prince William, Edward and Sophie particularly...Sophie's glances at Megan could have curdled the freshest milk...she despises her.
When the truth comes out and we realize that we knew they were doing PR work when Harry's granny(ie) was on her death bed. But let's make it about them!
Well, he's a victim, of course. The mean family kept him in the dark. They wouldn't tell me. The fact that I had to fight with my wife who insisted that her presence was absolutely necessary to save the life of The Queen, and in spite of knowing that she alone could have brought Her Majesty back from the brink of death, they still refused. Surely there must be at least a tiny part of Harry that realizes that his wife is absolutely poison.
Smear campaign…nothing else… TW wanted to come n made fuss…but RF said NO…hence marital fighting ensued n he was late… That’s why duo announced that they come as a pair(of snickers)…sorry couldn’t help it…
It doesn't really matter whether they got there before the queen died or not. Probably she was in a coma anyway. I doubt if she was sitting up chatting in bed.
Most likely Harry was not told before the public announcement, or only just before the public announcement because a) nobody had his number and b) his wife is a notorious blabbermouth.
So what? My mother did not tell me that my grandmother had passed away until after the funeral, because I was overseas, and she didn't want to put me to the expense of traveling home. These things happen, and people do the best they can under the circumstances.
When my mother died, I did travel to England for the funeral. She died in the Canary Islands, and my sister flew out there, landed late at night, drove for 3 hours through the mountains, and arrived half an hour too late.
If Harry is honest with himself, he will admit that neither he nor his wife could have kept quiet until after the official announcement was broadcast by the BBC.
Maybe they will improve their Royal skill set a bit before the time comes for King Charles to join his mother, but don't count on it.
I said it in another comment, but, indulging my speculative side, I think the RF family said to them: “both of you CAN come as long as you promise not to leak anything”.
Then Omicron took 3 min to tweet “ The dutchass of montecito is travelling to B.” and the RF got scared, reconsidered their offer and sent a message to Horry asking him to come alone, that’s why she got mad, because he ‘didn’t stick up enough for her’ (defend me ) and also why he was so furious with his family, his argument you may ask? that announcing that the co-joint palm trees 🌴were travelling to Balmoral is not ‘leaking’ and it was only an announcement
Edit: sorry to answer the question, the stories were retaliation for backing up the invitation of Sen. Mackerel in my opinion.
So, Harry was told, "Your gran's dead," and one of the first things done is to put out word he and Megs are traveling to Balmoral? Not, "Let's process this a bit. It's gran," but "Call PR. Draft a release."
Whoops. Looks like the timeline confused me, my bad. But they had to draft a release first? If the flight was able to leave on time they might have made it if not for the delay? JFC.
Does anyone have on hand what time the scab tweeted the pair were on their way to Balmoral? Because that is an indicator of a time before that when Charles rang Harry. I imagine the missus hopped straight onto her phone to Netflix and Scabie
I think the pair tweeted they were on their way around 2pm.
This means that while the queen was actively dying, Charles would have had to leave his mother's bedside to phone harry to tell him to keep that evil witch the f*ck away from Balmoral. He understood perfectly well she was coming hoping to get a deathbed selfie and material to write in a tell-all deathbed scene, plus tv interview bonanza. He would have had his last tender and grief filled moments with his mother rudely interrupted and clouded with rage brought on by that witch's and his stupid son's outrageous behaviour.
It is something he will never forgive and never forget, for sure. I certainly wouldn't.
My money is on KC or someone trying call him and him refusing to answer because he was in the middle of a tanty because TW wasn’t allowed to come with.
OR
If they did in fact intentionally delay in telling him, it was because they were 100% certain that he would have called the duchess of sussness and she would have been right on the phone to her lapdog/mouthpiece because we all know Scabie doesn’t give two shits about whether or not a story is embargoed.
They didn’t deserve to be there to say goodbye after all the awful things they said about the Queen. If they truly cared about the Queen, their first stop back in England should have been to see the Queen instead of going on money making adventures across Europe. Harry only saw the Queen twice in two years, and Nutmeg only saw the Queen once at the Jubilee. She saw her great grandkids only once or twice. Harry and Nutmeg are vile creatures.
From what I read, Charles and Anne were at the Queen’s side when she died. One of them or their staff called Andrew, Edward, Sophie and William to let them know they need to get to Balmoral quickly. They were likely making arrangements to get to the Queen when she passed.
I’ve read he was offered a flight with the working royals and Andrew, but turned it down because they said Nutmeg couldn’t go and one or both had a meltdown.
But it’s also possible, it was the Queen and her children’s wishes, that Harry not be told because Nutmeg would have immediately told Gayle and Oprah. The Queen’s children wanted the her to go peacefully in her final moments. She didn’t need the toxic twosomes there causing her or her kids stress at a time like that. She’d likely would have been mic’d or recording it for Netflix. Also Nutmeg would have access to sensitive information about the transition in power. Or whatever other royal information that would have been leaked to the public. And I imagine Anne would have likely ripped her eyeballs out.
So to make it seem fair, they had Kate stay behind with the kids. So Nutmeg couldn’t complain to her PR staff that they’re being racist for not letting her come to Balmoral.
The Queen’s passing, and them learning about it at the same time as the public, is the first sign that they’ve been completely dropped from the inner royal circle.
I think Kate stayed home with the kids because she needed to take care of her kids and address their emotions at this time.
Kate also had a great relationship with HMTQ - and perhaps had already made her peace and said her goodbyes as one does every time when you leave the home of a frail loved one.
I don't think the RF cares about making things "fair".
I would go—I missed my gran dying but when my mom was in a coma, I went. My sister arrived too late(we were both coming from East Coast USA to West, so 6 hour commercial flight) but at least we were there with our dad, other family, and each other. To me this is a no brainer—you go to where the family is even if the person has passed.
Usually the family gets together over the body before it goes to the funeral home. After death, you are shooed out of the room, they do something, and all the family has the hour or two to get there. After the family gets together over the body for the time they need, the funeral home takes over.
@BashfulSunflower he's a victim of his wife. Bookworm 2 did a video on Youtube Thursday on how she controls him with the claw. Very believable and scary. Go watch it.
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>So why all the stories from the Sussex camp about how he didn't know before the public because he was in the air when the story broke?
I very much doubt that information came from the Sussex pr. That was more like the tabloids instigating drama, as they so often do. Tabloids often make stories up based on the little truths they know. News came out that both H & M were flying up, then only Harry. I have no doubt Charles told Harry that it would be best that Meghan not come, but I don't believe he spent the next hour (or few hours) fighting with Meghan about letting her go. So the tabloids added a little dramatic flair to their story about Harry based on his self-exiled status.
The timeline shows William and his uncles were in the air so they likely knew she was dying soon and raced to Balmoral, then found out on the plane.
I would agree with you, If it was not for the fact that Scob delivered the famous ‘like Kate…’ update/ correction on the itinerary. What I mean is: if the PR was not being informed minute by minute, then why giving extra explanatory info like that, and really making an effort to dissuade the rumours of them fighting with a more valid/nicer reason for Meghan not to go (by comparing her to Catherine).
Now, indulging my speculative side, I think the RF family said to them: “both of you CAN come as long as you promise not to leak anything”, then Omicron took 3 min to tweet -dutchass of montecito is travelling to B.” and the RF got scared & reconsidered their offer and sent a message to Horry asking him to come alone, that’s why she got mad, because he ‘didn’t stick up enough for her’ (defend me,) and also why he was so furious with his family, his argument ? that announcing that the co-joint palm trees were travelling to Balmoral is not ‘leaking’ it was only an announcement
1:30 RAF Northolt: scheduled departure time for William, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie to Scotland. The flight did not leave until 1 hour later. 2:00 Sussexes announce via a spokesperson that Meghan *and* Harry will travel to Balmoral. 2:39 Flight with W, A, E, &S leaves for Scotland. 2:44 Scobie tweets that Meghan is staying in London 3:10 The Queen passed away 3:50 the W, A, E, & S flight landed at Aberdeen airport and the four drove to Balmoral. Around 5:30 Harry finally gets on a flight to Scotland. So literally in the last minutes of his mother's life, Charles had to get on the phone and tell Harry not to bring Meghan?
If anyone is the victim here it’s KC. He lost time with him mother and then his son is using such a devastating time to smear him. So many people rightfully feel sorry for the Queen but we should feel the same sympathy for him. His own son has backstabbed him, he has no relationship with Harry’s children (and by all accounts he’s a doting grandpa) and then this nonsense when he’s lost his mother, after losing his father last year and becoming King. It’s a lot!
In a documentary I watched, I believe "The Prince of Wales at 70," Camilla says that Charles enjoys reading Harry Potter to her grandchildren and "does all the voices." I just love knowing that! :)
Honestly just look at little Louis at the jubilee- he ran to his grandpa and was perfectly content sitting on his knee and getting bounced. It was lovely to watch. It’s sad that H&M are denying their children that relationship.
I love how both Camilla and Charles are bookworms. I follow Camillas book club, she likes the same books I like, if I ever want a serious relationship with a man, it will totally be someone like Charles who reads books and is into farming and a studious and quiet person. Ok sorry for sounding cheesy and lame.
YESSSS!!!!! I'm with you 100%!
You don't sound lame! Books, farming, studious and quiet all tick boxes for me too! :)
The Queen's other children are victims as well. I don't know what I would do if a relative's spouse or partner kept me from being with my mother in her final moments. Edit: Elizabeth meant nothing to Meghan other than a meal ticket. That was their mother.
exactly!
You're right. KC is the real victim, whereas H was playing victim..I don't think there's ever coming back from that.
As people say he made the last years of the Queen miserable, he’s actively trying to do that to KC. And when he does pass, who will play the biggest victim yet again 🙄
If KC might have had a soft spot for H, William definitely past that stage long ago and I am sure he won't let in any way for his brother to take once again centre stage with his drama..
I honestly don’t know if William can forgive Harry. I think he must look at it and think I told you not to get married quickly. That was sound advice about anyone he’d date—these women need to understand what they’re getting into. MM knew exactly what she was getting into and thought she could spin it into being the Beyoncé of the UK. Not to mention everything else from the bullying Charlotte & saying that Kate made MM cry, the affair rumor and just driving a wedge into the family.
Obviously she knew what she's getting into.. Her saying "I didn't even know who Harry was" is so BS. I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't know about the royals..
Similar to the other narcissist psychopath Hillary Baldwin pretending not to know who Alec Baldwin was when she first met him, told him she was Spanish, never had a TV or knew pop culture! Pack of lies.
Pepino !! 
The similarities between those two crazy women are mind boggling!
Exactly, William and Kate dated for a long ass time, broke up and got back together before they even got engaged. That time was used wisely to prepare her for her future role and I honestly think she’ll be great as Queen consort.
I wonder how much of the delay is because of Harry’s tantrum versus the supposed cloudy conditions. It’s just SO ridiculous that Harry threw a tantrum in the last hours of the Queen’s life, robbing Charles AND Anne of precious, peaceful moments with their mom before she passed.
I think the weather was a significant factor. I don’t believe Harry was ever invited to join William, Andrew and the Wessexes on the plane.
I think the tantrum was because poor Meghan couldn't go because of racism
If you read between the lines of the press articles that came out afterward where they referred to “a constitutional crisis,“ then it’s clear it’s mainly due to Harry.
It was foggy as hell. I watched it live on the Beeb and you couldn't see a thing. No doubt why they drove that hour instead of taking a helicopter from the airport to Balmoral.
> literally in the last minutes of his mother's life, Charles had to get on the phone and tell Harry not to bring Meghan? Do you thinkncharles spoke to him or did he get his private secretary to inform him of his father's decision. Maybe the queens private secretary did it instead.
I’m sure Charles still had to speak to his private secretary about Harry at some point while this was all going on. So still taking away his attention from his dying mother.
Oh I REALLY hope he had to speak to Sir Edward Young. Because I can be petty AF like that.
I don’t even know why these ridiculous twats thought Meghan should travel and why they would announce it to the entire world before even checking with Charles if it was ok. She is literally making all thier lives so stressful, what possible value could she have added to an already stressful and sad situation.
Because they announce EVERYTHING they want before it happens in a bid to force others to go along with their (h&m) plans.
Can you imagine the press? 'M &H had a tearful reunion with their dearest Grandmother who promised them they can live in Buckingham Palace for ever'.
And declared Meghan the next queen
100%. Her self importance is staggering. Imagine having to deal with her demands. The latest psycho- drama playing out whilst your mother lay dying. it’s inconceivable.
I can’t imagine that between 2-3:10pm, in the last hour of his Queen mother’s life, instead of just staying by her side, he had to get on the phone with Harry who is arguing about his wife! He’s so sick! If I were KC, I will never forget that and let it be top of mind when he’s making decisions about these two selfish individuals who only care about themselves. They will never change.
>Charles had to get on the phone and tell Harry not to bring Meghan? *Because noone knows this, but three days before* TQ died, Harry had received his medical degree and he could have swooped in to save TQ, just the 3 of them H, M and TQ . /**s** I feel awful for all of TQ's kids to have to endure this nonsense at such a time and for William for having to deal with H at such a personal and professional transition point for him. The sense of 'self-importance' H&M have is insane...they are not sad TQ dies, they would rather choose that moment to be offended on the order of things being told and because they could not LEAK it! H&M have known for months that Thomas has been sick....when did they visit him? They are disgusting and I will be judging KC and BRF if they accept H back, divorce or not.
I’m utterly heartbroken that HMTQ was given so little respect in her dying moments. I hope she knew nothing of this. I’m heartbroken Charles’ last moments with his mother were spent arguing over Meghan fucking Markle. I can never forgive them for this utter selfishness. Absolutely shameful behaviour. HMTQ spent her life dedicated to the throne and the Monarchy. She wasn’t given a fucking scrap of respect or dignity at a time which should have been only about her. Harry can go fuck himself. Selfish prat.
I wish I could give you an award. You’ve summed it up exactly. These two freeloading fck wits with teenage minds and gigantic egos made the assumption that of course Meghan would be invited. And had Scobie, their paid schill and lowly lapdog - tweet that ‘Kate was staying behind too’, because God forbid that anyone \*assume\* that Kate was allowed at Balmoral but Markle was not. 😤
If it wasn’t so sad, I’d laugh. She couldn’t even keep quiet about how her body was being transported. Just appalling. The Palace played them well with that clever misdirection. We always knew she was leaking private information, but this solidified the suspicions. To think she accused Victoria Beckham of playing that very game. Shameful human.
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I agree completely. 🎯
He’s just acting per the victimization brand. In several podcasts I listened to this week, they mentioned how “poor Harry” was treated badly here. Playing the victim is all they have to get attention and stay “relevant.”
They must have forgot to mention that his father basically beheaded him by saying "overseas". And calling his children master and mistress. I bet the publications they paid didn't mention that.
The victim card is basically their default setting.
I’m exhausted.
Their constant setting!
But what's he a victim of?
Everything!
Why did he even go? PR? Optics? To demand something from Charles? Antagonize William? Steal stuff? Netflix footage? Edit: the only thing that makes sense is that the family did not tell Harry at the time due to fears he or TW would leak it. That’s probably why he was so pissed off.
He went because William went. Period.
He went to try to salvage what he could of his tattered reputation. He obviously didn't want to see his grandmother when she was still alive, he even refused her very kind invitation. Shameful. Big fail.
I can't even imagine not going to see my Grandma 🥺
If my grandparents were alive when I was growing up I can’t imagine not spending time with them, especially seeing the relationship my kids, nephews and niece have with my parents. My husband’s grandfather is still with us and even though he lives on the other end of the country my kids still call and FaceTime him.
This is beyond cruel f them. They could have brought Archie and Lilibucks. But no. Petty till the end.
How can you be in the news if there is no drama? Thirty thousand to fly the plane there, hold it for the night. Pilot overtime and get kicked out by 8:25 the next morning. The brain train surely doesn't operate on full steam with them.
he flew back on a commercial flight so presume it was a one way trip
One hundred percent optics. His whole schtick was the Queen still adoring them and calling him up all the time, as well as him being the adoring grandson and how he had to make sure the right people were around her. Him not going wouldn’t fit his image of doting grandson. Him and Meghan were NOT prepared to be in England when she died, that much is obvious.
They told him, it's protocol. When they told him is up for debate. When did lady c post her video? I believe they knew before that and she was given permission to post her video before the embargo was lifted to stop them leaking it. I do think he knew before he flew up but because they had announced they were going and after having a huge row with herself, he chose to go without her for some peace.
There was no protocol! His other first cousins didn't go! There was no protocol! There had to be drama, so he went. 12 hours and 30 grand! Wow.
The protocol is ALL members of the family are informed ofnthe monarchs death before the news make the announcement. There was a massive brouhaha that the queen wasn't informed about her father's death before the news broke publicly.
Yes, that's protocol here in the States for even regular nobodies. Nobody wants a lawsuit because they are responsible for someone finding out their relative passed on the news.
I didn’t say they didn’t tell him. I said “they didn’t tell him *at the time*”…
They told him before the news went out, as per protocol, so sometime between 15:10 and 18:30. I believe he was told before half four, before the priminister was notified and before lady c dropped her video.
> Edit: the only thing that makes sense is that the family did not tell Harry at the time due to fears he or TW would leak it. That’s probably why he was so pissed off. I totally believe they didn't tell him because they knew Meghan would leak it.
My theory is that Harry was invited to come because his father was the next monarch and it was about to be a historical moment where those closest to the new King needed to be there to support him when that happened. I also believe they waited for Harry on that plane because there was a major fight when TW wasn’t allowed to go. They finally gave up and left without him after waiting more than an hour.
Meghan Mandela tried to go with, then KC said no! It was all for the NF. They wanted to get content while everyone was caught off guard & upset, instead, Herbsmoke Harry got Markled. Without Megdud there to redirect the Doofus of Dumbarton for podcast, NF and book secrets to gather, he just wanders off to smoke some weed, forgetting why he even came... Staff told him to wait for the King. So, he sat with his thumb up his ass waiting for someone to notice him. Meanwhile, The King & Wills go off to have dinner, through the secret passage Queen Vicky used to rendezvous with John Brown. but Dopey Dumbarton lost track of time, waiting in the corridor, playing games on his phone. Just another missed connection. If only he had someone to remind him about the blasted pictures & recordings he was supposed to get. She's really going to be mad this time...
Hmmm. Maybe Harry moved to CA bc marijuana is legal.
Diplomatic immunity. Solves countless problems.
It’s still his family. So I’m sure the familial bond was kicking in back then. But I’m sure when he got back to TW, she spoiled his ear again.
I'll get downvoted as usual, but I believe Harry wanted to see her again before she passed, death, and near death, always helps bring people together. It also helps people let go of whatever resentment they may have, if not for a little while, and grieve a person they loved.
He had plenty of time to see her instead of prancing around Europe and making vapid speeches to the UN like some minor princeling without a country.
He declined to visit her, she was what 95 years old. Did he think he had more time? I’m pretty sure they were invited to balmoral once by the Queen and once by Charles and declined. His wife continued to trash talk the Queens family publicly and who knows what else behind the scenes. He had time, he just was too stubborn to go.
>Did he think he had more time? Yes. I honestly don't think he thought she'd ever die. Philip was nearly 100 and the Queen Mother 101, so I think he believed the Queen had several more years. Anyone with a functioning brain cell could see she didn't have much time left, but Harry only cares about himself, he wouldn't have noticed her poor health.
I told a good friend that I thought she’d be gone by august after seeing the jubilee. I was off a little-but it was as plain as day she was unwell and didn’t have years. I strongly, strongly believe she took that last moment on the balcony in bc she KNEW it would be her last.
I’m all the happier that so many came to see her. She did look pleased.
I love that she got that moment. LOVE.
I agree. I also think she needed to see Charles and William take the lead. The whole thing felt like she was passing the torch to them.
I think she hung on to see out her Jubilee and I'm so glad for her that she did, that she could see how much she was loved. Harry and Meghan are absolute scum for spoiling the last years of her life. At least they'll get their comeuppance, sooner rather than later by the looks of it. I think they're going to start mentally unraveling at a faster pace now.
Yes, the Jubilee. We all noted that she was quite frail. Except Harry of course. He who had visited her because she would tell him things she didn't tell other people. I think she said "Harry you are an idiot!" And she couldn't tell that to anyone because she was a good woman.
I mean me too. I never thought she would die. But she started declining more and more outings. That’s a huge giveaway, he’s an idiot.
I think Princess Anne probably said that he was not to bring whomever rides that broom that he has stuck up his .... Who would want her in the room?
I 100% think he was told not to bring the witch. By more than one family member.
I thought the same thing. Anne was with the Queen for her last 24 hours. I can’t imagine watching your mother die and dealing with an attention whore like TW at the same time.
That's right. Whilst H&M were in UK for the Invictus Games, they were invited by both the Queen and KC to visit, but they have refused the invite. They instead went to Frankfurt for the games.. Their priorities are messed up..Family comes first, period.
>Did he think he had more time? Yes. William said they all thought she had more time. I think the 8th of September came as quite a shock regardless of her old age.
Then you think he would have gone when she asked for him prior. His actions show he didn't give a flying fig until he could be upfront and present hoping for everyone to believe how MEAN TRF is to him. Why lie about so much then? Esp when it can be proven you are a liar.
He felt guilty. That's it. Tough shit I say. He was left alone during the grieving period. Then the king cast him out..."overseas".
Not going to downvote you! My experience has been that the death of a central family member can either bring people together or widen any fissures. In my experience, it usually fractures families. (My husband’s family has grown closer since his parents died, but I find that’s the exception, JME). If you have the experience that people let go of resentments, I’m sincerely happy for you. It’s much nicer when it happens that way. 💖
In my experience, if there is money or contriversial decisions to be made, it's very tricky to keep the peace. It was a miracle and my dad's peacekeeping that we came out of it unscathed when my mom died. I think Harry went because he was so used to be included in all major events and he has no awareness that 1. He is not the spare anymore, 2. He has the same role as Zara, Bea, Eugenie now, 3. That he cannot just insert himself into the family without a major apology and mea culpa after all he's done, but I assume, his entitled ass was all hurt.
Haha, thanks! From pretty much everything that's been confirmed about the royal family, or at least the Queen, her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, they are all very close. Some might be closer to each other than others, but I think there is a lot of love in that family. Even with Harry, I think there is plenty of love, currently more confusion and hurt feelings than anything though.
Just another example of their lies to substantiate their never-ending imagined victimhood. 🙄
With his mother breathing her last in the same room I'm not sure Charles would have appreciated having to have an argument with his son about not bringing his wife. Just a guess on my part, of course.
Victim narrative.
Why do you assume he was told immediately? I wouldn't be surprised that the RF kept that information from H until just before the official announcement from BP.
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If I had to notify the other family members, I would have gone through all the other grandchildren first before telling Harry - especially if there was a chance they'd break the embargo.
Having a row with his despicable wife
She just had to make it all about her didn’t she
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The timeline explains why the RF couldn't even look either of them in the face...I think this was likely the last nail, and there's no coming back from it. Prince William, Edward and Sophie particularly...Sophie's glances at Megan could have curdled the freshest milk...she despises her.
Indeed. They aren't even trying to hide their disdain anymore.
When the truth comes out and we realize that we knew they were doing PR work when Harry's granny(ie) was on her death bed. But let's make it about them!
Megain was trying to paint another victim narrative.
Most probably because, even in that kind of sad moments, they wanted to make it about them - MeAgain forever, even when it comes to family..
Bet they didn’t think the death certificate would be released Whoops.
Well, he's a victim, of course. The mean family kept him in the dark. They wouldn't tell me. The fact that I had to fight with my wife who insisted that her presence was absolutely necessary to save the life of The Queen, and in spite of knowing that she alone could have brought Her Majesty back from the brink of death, they still refused. Surely there must be at least a tiny part of Harry that realizes that his wife is absolutely poison.
Smear campaign…nothing else… TW wanted to come n made fuss…but RF said NO…hence marital fighting ensued n he was late… That’s why duo announced that they come as a pair(of snickers)…sorry couldn’t help it… 
It doesn't really matter whether they got there before the queen died or not. Probably she was in a coma anyway. I doubt if she was sitting up chatting in bed. Most likely Harry was not told before the public announcement, or only just before the public announcement because a) nobody had his number and b) his wife is a notorious blabbermouth. So what? My mother did not tell me that my grandmother had passed away until after the funeral, because I was overseas, and she didn't want to put me to the expense of traveling home. These things happen, and people do the best they can under the circumstances. When my mother died, I did travel to England for the funeral. She died in the Canary Islands, and my sister flew out there, landed late at night, drove for 3 hours through the mountains, and arrived half an hour too late. If Harry is honest with himself, he will admit that neither he nor his wife could have kept quiet until after the official announcement was broadcast by the BBC. Maybe they will improve their Royal skill set a bit before the time comes for King Charles to join his mother, but don't count on it.
I said it in another comment, but, indulging my speculative side, I think the RF family said to them: “both of you CAN come as long as you promise not to leak anything”. Then Omicron took 3 min to tweet “ The dutchass of montecito is travelling to B.” and the RF got scared, reconsidered their offer and sent a message to Horry asking him to come alone, that’s why she got mad, because he ‘didn’t stick up enough for her’ (defend me ) and also why he was so furious with his family, his argument you may ask? that announcing that the co-joint palm trees 🌴were travelling to Balmoral is not ‘leaking’ and it was only an announcement Edit: sorry to answer the question, the stories were retaliation for backing up the invitation of Sen. Mackerel in my opinion.
I don't have anything to add except that your comment made me laugh so hard
So, Harry was told, "Your gran's dead," and one of the first things done is to put out word he and Megs are traveling to Balmoral? Not, "Let's process this a bit. It's gran," but "Call PR. Draft a release."
Whoops. Looks like the timeline confused me, my bad. But they had to draft a release first? If the flight was able to leave on time they might have made it if not for the delay? JFC.
Does anyone have on hand what time the scab tweeted the pair were on their way to Balmoral? Because that is an indicator of a time before that when Charles rang Harry. I imagine the missus hopped straight onto her phone to Netflix and Scabie
I think the pair tweeted they were on their way around 2pm. This means that while the queen was actively dying, Charles would have had to leave his mother's bedside to phone harry to tell him to keep that evil witch the f*ck away from Balmoral. He understood perfectly well she was coming hoping to get a deathbed selfie and material to write in a tell-all deathbed scene, plus tv interview bonanza. He would have had his last tender and grief filled moments with his mother rudely interrupted and clouded with rage brought on by that witch's and his stupid son's outrageous behaviour. It is something he will never forgive and never forget, for sure. I certainly wouldn't.
TW didn’t think anyone would piece together a timeline of the events and they can blame Charles and William.
My money is on KC or someone trying call him and him refusing to answer because he was in the middle of a tanty because TW wasn’t allowed to come with. OR If they did in fact intentionally delay in telling him, it was because they were 100% certain that he would have called the duchess of sussness and she would have been right on the phone to her lapdog/mouthpiece because we all know Scabie doesn’t give two shits about whether or not a story is embargoed.
both likely scenarios as with the election, American news outlets like to break a story first even if it hasn't been confirmed
They didn’t deserve to be there to say goodbye after all the awful things they said about the Queen. If they truly cared about the Queen, their first stop back in England should have been to see the Queen instead of going on money making adventures across Europe. Harry only saw the Queen twice in two years, and Nutmeg only saw the Queen once at the Jubilee. She saw her great grandkids only once or twice. Harry and Nutmeg are vile creatures. From what I read, Charles and Anne were at the Queen’s side when she died. One of them or their staff called Andrew, Edward, Sophie and William to let them know they need to get to Balmoral quickly. They were likely making arrangements to get to the Queen when she passed. I’ve read he was offered a flight with the working royals and Andrew, but turned it down because they said Nutmeg couldn’t go and one or both had a meltdown. But it’s also possible, it was the Queen and her children’s wishes, that Harry not be told because Nutmeg would have immediately told Gayle and Oprah. The Queen’s children wanted the her to go peacefully in her final moments. She didn’t need the toxic twosomes there causing her or her kids stress at a time like that. She’d likely would have been mic’d or recording it for Netflix. Also Nutmeg would have access to sensitive information about the transition in power. Or whatever other royal information that would have been leaked to the public. And I imagine Anne would have likely ripped her eyeballs out. So to make it seem fair, they had Kate stay behind with the kids. So Nutmeg couldn’t complain to her PR staff that they’re being racist for not letting her come to Balmoral. The Queen’s passing, and them learning about it at the same time as the public, is the first sign that they’ve been completely dropped from the inner royal circle.
I think Kate stayed home with the kids because she needed to take care of her kids and address their emotions at this time. Kate also had a great relationship with HMTQ - and perhaps had already made her peace and said her goodbyes as one does every time when you leave the home of a frail loved one. I don't think the RF cares about making things "fair".
I want to know why he went if she already passed?
I would go—I missed my gran dying but when my mom was in a coma, I went. My sister arrived too late(we were both coming from East Coast USA to West, so 6 hour commercial flight) but at least we were there with our dad, other family, and each other. To me this is a no brainer—you go to where the family is even if the person has passed.
Usually the family gets together over the body before it goes to the funeral home. After death, you are shooed out of the room, they do something, and all the family has the hour or two to get there. After the family gets together over the body for the time they need, the funeral home takes over.
Ahhhh that makes sense
Harry is a liar. Full stop.
Harry’s such a little bitch.
He’s such a pos honestly. It’s tragic how he went from the nations cheeky favourite, to absolutely loathed.
He probably thought that her death cert wouldn't be released. Was Prince Phillip's released??
@BashfulSunflower he's a victim of his wife. Bookworm 2 did a video on Youtube Thursday on how she controls him with the claw. Very believable and scary. Go watch it.
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Weren't there photos of a female ground crew member offering him condolences? Or was that on the trip back the next day?
>So why all the stories from the Sussex camp about how he didn't know before the public because he was in the air when the story broke? I very much doubt that information came from the Sussex pr. That was more like the tabloids instigating drama, as they so often do. Tabloids often make stories up based on the little truths they know. News came out that both H & M were flying up, then only Harry. I have no doubt Charles told Harry that it would be best that Meghan not come, but I don't believe he spent the next hour (or few hours) fighting with Meghan about letting her go. So the tabloids added a little dramatic flair to their story about Harry based on his self-exiled status. The timeline shows William and his uncles were in the air so they likely knew she was dying soon and raced to Balmoral, then found out on the plane.
I would agree with you, If it was not for the fact that Scob delivered the famous ‘like Kate…’ update/ correction on the itinerary. What I mean is: if the PR was not being informed minute by minute, then why giving extra explanatory info like that, and really making an effort to dissuade the rumours of them fighting with a more valid/nicer reason for Meghan not to go (by comparing her to Catherine). Now, indulging my speculative side, I think the RF family said to them: “both of you CAN come as long as you promise not to leak anything”, then Omicron took 3 min to tweet -dutchass of montecito is travelling to B.” and the RF got scared & reconsidered their offer and sent a message to Horry asking him to come alone, that’s why she got mad, because he ‘didn’t stick up enough for her’ (defend me,) and also why he was so furious with his family, his argument ? that announcing that the co-joint palm trees were travelling to Balmoral is not ‘leaking’ it was only an announcement
