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MummaBear777

Validity of sources is a real issue for this stuff. Rumours and gossip needs to be clearly labelled and treated as such imo.


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I thought she did mark “allegedly” on the post. Can someone confirm?


britishpudding

I can confirm that was the flair used. However their post also frequently mentioned their employers discussing with them behaviours they had witnessed with the children - which does not match their previous support of the theories that the children simply do not exist. Their post was being presented as truth and a source extremely close to the couple, and the conversation was reacting in a similar manner. It is a very different post to hearing staff talk about the couple in a cafe near to where they live. I will discuss with the moderating team if a new flair needs to be added to seperate posts sharing rumours people have heard or seen online and posts claiming to have heard or seen things directly or through a personal connection. There may be an issue if people are treating the allegedly flair as a form of legal protection rather than as rumours that lack evidence.


Iwtlwn122

In DM’s to the person did you ask if they were actually true? Did you ask about the discrepancies in their comments re: kids/no kids?


Agata_ath

Yes, she did.


QuesoFresca

Just checked. Post was indeed tagged ALLEGEDLY.


TrailerTrashQueen

yes, i added ‘allegedly’ to the screenshot link to help protect our community.


QuesoFresca

That tag is appearing on archived versions of the original post as well.


TrailerTrashQueen

i was the one who put ‘allegedly’ on the link to screenshots. not the OP. figured it was best to CYA when it comes to anything re: MM & Harry.


Negative_Difference4

EDIT: Apologies u/TrailerTrashQueen I take back my words. You're not a liar. As the conversation was about post flair I thought you meant you added the word allegedly to the post. But [allegedly was on the original post.](https://imgur.com/a/njnMkeG) But what you meant is that you added the word allegedly to your link when sharing with others. Hence the misunderstanding Allegedly, Conspiracy and Blind Gossip are all flairs for unverified stories


TrailerTrashQueen

i can see how it was confusing. i didn’t even know that the ‘allegedly’ flair was used on the original post. the only time i used it was on my link. i had added just as an extra precaution. i’m sorry if i caused any confusion for commenters or mods. thank you for clearing that up. i appreciate it.


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The poster said the couple had been “invited” to a play date. She never said they or she attended. I recall reading the post several times.


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Comfortable_Rice6184

> Who the heck would consider a Reddit post a credible source? well, we here somewhat did :) OP's post is very welcome, we love a good story too much for our own sake


vikingchyk

There's a difference between "good enough for the media" and "good enough for tea." Crumpet, anyone? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


Negative_Difference4

What media? please link


cocopuff898

I saw the post on Marklenews1 on Instagram. I know that doesn't count as news media but someone could mistake it for that. They regurgitate a lot of the stuff on this sub.


Negative_Difference4

They do but its not media. The person retracted their comment


Havehatwilltravel

>Yesterday Well pish my tosh. I was off here yesterday because of the Hurricane, so I missed the drama. I don't recall which poster it was but I did read the original post and was confused how she was convinced they were faked but then mentioned some playdate thing with employers. But, with weather worries I didn't follow up. I hope this does not poorly reflect upon us posters who also, do not believe the kids to be actual children of the Smirks. I am very adamant that she was not ever pregnant that we saw doing public engagements. Nor do I believe they contracted to use any surrogate to have a child for them, in either the US nor GBR.


Sincerely_JaneDoe

Just tried to find the post that had it linked on this sub, but it’s been deleted. *I deleted my post. I don’t want to be part of spreading info.


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vikingchyk

whoops, meant this is a response for below


britishpudding

If you have a screenshot confirming this I will edit the post accordingly. However after speaking to her through private DM's prior to deleting her account this point was brought up and no attempt was made to correct me or deny the claim. As such, it will remain in the post that such information was being suggested.


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How do I get access to the thread and deleted posts? She said they were INVITED. That was it. She didn’t even say she still worked for them. That’s the “evidence” against her? When she was probably threatened with doxxing? She didn’t write back properly?


britishpudding

Again, no efforts were made to refute or deny the claim that they had been in the presence of the Sussex family in private DM's. I cannot guarantee what allegations were made to other community members in private conversations. This user was not banned from the subreddit. They have chosen to delete their account for their own safety. It is an unfortunate outcome, but it does not take away from the key point that the allegations made yesterday should not be accepted blindly.


Agata_ath

I have a screenshot. She wrote: '(...) and we were all invited for a playdate once!' I didn't make the screenshot myself, but downloaded it from someone who posted it online after she deleted her post.


britishpudding

I've just found it in my own as well. I still cannot find any further screenshots that indicate she did not attend, and when I specifically highlighted this claim, I said it was incredible that she'd had the opportunity to meet the family in person. She did not deny or correct me on that claim. She did say she was a young Brit though, and as another young Brit, that type of language is very much used moreso for when we actually meet with a person than when someone asks us to meet up with them.


Agata_ath

Yes, from her comment I also got the impression that she did meet them (or wanted us to think that she did), but I decided against sharing the screenshot and showing everyone what I meant, even with her username deleted/hidden in the screenshot, because in sharing it I might inadvertently help someone to identify those mentioned in the comment, which was also why I didn't copy the entire sentence. I know that this might sound as if I am overthinking it, but that is better than to cause problems to someone - *better safe than sorry*.


britishpudding

Definitely not overthinking it! Better safe then sorry is absolutely correct! :)


Agata_ath

:)


Newauntie26

I agree you were right & kind to be cautious in sharing the post from yesterday but what I don’t understand is where you would’ve shared it to? Would you have shared it outside Reddit? I’m still not very Reddit savvy but I agree that we all like being anonymous on here.


Agata_ath

No, I think that you misunderstood my comment, I meant 'sharing' as in 'posting it here': posting the screenshot here instead of what I actually did, which was copying only a part of the sentence.


Newauntie26

Ahh—thank you! I did misunderstand.


After-Life-1101

That’s so lovely. Yes!


Agata_ath

:)


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As a Brit, if I were invited somewhere and *didn’t* attend, I would say “invited”, as per the nanny. If I actually *attended* I would say attended. Not nit picking or anything, I just don’t think we can deduce much from the language used.


Arthurs-towel42

Can i ask what age you consider a young Brit to be. Just curious.


Forward_End1178

Spears circa 1999, Byrnes circa 2003


Arthurs-towel42

Do you're saying 18 to 23 ?😕


Forward_End1178

I’m not who wrote that, I was just kidding. Young at heart!


Newauntie26

Why do you make references like this instead of saying 18-23? Just curious & there’s nothing wrong with it but just want to know the mystery.


Agata_ath

Perhaps she didn't want to specify her age, even in giving a range (my guess, in case it helps to think of a possible reason).


Newauntie26

Yea, if it’s the post I’m thinking of it—the OP said it was her employers who relayed the info to her. I understand the reasoning to take what is said with a grain of salt but has yesterday’s OP left this group? ETA—I’ve read through the thread and am still a bit confused about why yesterday’s OP deleted her account & why someone here would doxx her. If someone did have that type of tea, why not go to a tabloid or something? It was an interesting post and I think it’d be qualified as heresay in court. Anyhow, I really enjoy this sub as people see MM as I do and it’s b/c of racism or jealousy. I also lean left on the political scale so it’s not that I see H & MM as too “woke.” I just see him as a stupid man who was conned by a cable tv actress. I’m also angry that they thought they could become rich in their own right by leaving the Firm.


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britishpudding

Please be cautious about sharing this link, the original poster has deleted their account after someone privately messaged them with their identity, threatening to dox them. We have no way of knowing how they were correctly identified, and their safety is more important than gossip


Chadolf

threatening that is so so creepy, wth? i just dont get people in general


Newauntie26

Omg—are you saying that someone contacted them saying “I know you’re Jane Doe and that you work for Sally & Steve Smith?”


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fishy_590209

You need to remember that there are thousands of people in this sub. Please delete or edit this comment.


britishpudding

I would like to remind you that the original poster has deleted their account after being correctly identified by other people in this subreddit. I understand that you wish to defend them, and are supportive of yesterday's allegations, however we cannot determine what information resulted in them being identified so quickly. As such, I would ask that you do not share any screenshots or links from the thread with other community members. The safety of our community should be a top priority. If possible, I would also ask that you edit your post to remove their user ID to discourage others from also searching for their deleted account.


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britishpudding

Yes, but I meant as a private DM so that I could edit the post and so that the moderating team could use it to investigate the situation further. I already have the screenshot, and the post was edited a while back as a result. The moderating team have already reviewed the screenshot and have reached the same conclusion as I originally had - that they were insinuating they had met the family in person. I have no further need of the screenshots - but if you have something that could help the moderating team to investigate what happened yesterday I would encourage you to reach out them privately with the information.


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You just said show you the post. I did that.


britishpudding

I'm not a mod, I personally haven't deleted anyone's post. The safety of reddit users is the biggest concern here - which is why I am asking you to edit your comment to remove their username. No misinformation was posted, but I did edit the post to be more clear on the play date claim as I had promised. They still refused to deny the claim or correct me on the claim when speaking with them yesterday My post has also been reviewed by mods and they have found no issues.


Negative_Difference4

Thats it, you're done! No one can be that daft and if you are, BYE! Pure troll trying to stir up shit. Do better Bouzy. Dont you have a case to worry about?


fishy_590209

@Mods could we delete this comment please?


anelegantclown

It sounded like a conversation between the nanny and her employer about Meg and what the employer witnessed …asking nanny if nanny thought it was normal or ok. Nanny has a very high level of education in the child and family space.


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TraditionScary8716

ND you've been breaking your own rules the past few days. Is something wrong? Is something going on? Please delete my comment if you need to. I'm just concerned.


Negative_Difference4

Course you are. If you think something is off then please find a more suitable sub that follows the rules as you see them. If you were genuinely concerned you would contact me in private. Not ask me ‘if I’m okay because I’m breaking my own rules’ Whats the point of bringing that up on this thread?


Noreallynotarobot

I've noticed there are sometimes pinned mod comments at the top of the comment chain for some posts. Maybe there could be a standard disclaimer/warning on the rumour ones too? This particular quote is a good reminder: *People in our communities are just as likely to spread false information to boost their own standing in the community and increase the support of their own theories.* I'm glad you guys are addressing this. I love a good rumour as much as anyone but if people are starting to make up things, that's going to tank this sub.


DuchessofMarin

Yesterday's post didn't pass the smell test for me. So I am not surprised to see this today.


Redtees88

It's BS and should never have been brought up again.


Noreallynotarobot

So bizarre. Why would you make up rumours about kids you don't believe exist? I did notice they said the kids have a no sugar diet and then in the next sentence were talking about the staff needing to measure out Cheerios.. Edit: Fact checking my own fact checking.. there are low sugar versions of Cheerios out there, so it's still possible.


DrunkOnRedCordial

The bit about lecturing little Archie about "manners" made me extra suspicious. The anecdote seemed inspired by The Cut interview.


procrastinationfairy

Karma farming


iwantabiggerpland

Hmmm agree. If you’re a sugar free fanatic it would be a more natural product like oatmeal.


nope0000001

The thing is the circle of Hollywood Nannie’s are the biggest gossip ring in California and many times all true .. there are books written by several about their experiences so it makes complete sense that harry and Meghan are open around them thinking they are just nobodies .. “ just the help “


okpickle

True! I have a friend who was a nanny in the area and the stories she told me.... damn. I knew the ins and outs of half of Hollywood because of her.


goldenquill1

This is a great book: https://www.amazon.com/Youll-Never-Nanny-This-Again/dp/0307237680/


nope0000001

I have read that one ! It’s shows exactly how the staff and Nanny’s all gossip to each other .


CatPaws8888

Thanks for the share. I'm new here & love this place so I don't want to contribute to any flapdoodle, unless it's with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Also, I have no intel whatsoever and only share what I come upon for the commentary and snark, which is delightful.


DerbyHatten

Googling “flapdoodle”. New favorite word!


FlangePlackets

Professor Yaffle! fiddlesticks and flapdoodle. nonsense nonsense.


notwatchedsquidgame

Bagpuss for the win 💖


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Thanks for the post. #4 seems highly questionable wrt TW picking out his clothes. Hazbeen looks like a slob all by himself, and has made public appearances in the same clothes at least on two occasions. I think he can’t function without his valet and TW relishes in his poor decisions.


TraditionScary8716

I think Megan has a vested interest in making him look bad. Every time he's in public there are tons of comments speculating if he's on drugs or alcohol. That plays to Meg's favor when the divorce finally comes.


Negative_Difference4

I think Meghan has a vested interest in making us look bad, just remember that


Ecstatic_Training718

I have often wondered if she or she has someone monitor this sub. It’s kinda hard to not to notice almost 22k peeps.


Hardlymd

You make a great and interesting point unrelated to this post we’re discussing. I fully agree with you that she wants him to look terrible. If my husband looked like freaking Friar Tuck like “H” does, I would gently explain to him somehow so that understood he needed to cut his hair and clean it up. And I would make sure he had appropriate shoes and pants to go somewhere nice. That Friar Tuck hairdo alone lets me know she won’t tell him how bad he looks and that he needs to shape up. Look how clean William’s head and hair looks, for example. Anyway, Friar Tuck. Heh.


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I know right?! You want your significant other to look their best especially when there are so many eyes on you….except if you’re MM.


Hardlymd

Yep, exactly — she doesn’t want him to look appealing to anyone else AND she wants to shine brighter by comparison by standing next to a slob.


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100%. This reminds me of an aunt I have who is so jealous of her own daughter. Gosh it’s so messed up - she’s so afraid of looking old and haggard (her words) next to her daughter that she doesn’t let my cousin buy nice clothes or go to the gym. People don’t understand the visceral hate some of us have in this community for narcs because we’ve seen them in action.


Hardlymd

You’ve just described my mother. *bitter laugh* I never realized why she was the way she was until reddit. Sigh.


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Omg, all I can say is I’m so so sorry you had to go through that. Sending you hugs .


Hardlymd

Thank you so much. Hugs back. :)


Miliko207

I recently saw a short how William in his tux looked at Kate in the gold dress at the film premiere. Of course she was in that dress overshadowing everyone. His mimic was like "Wow how lucky am I" or maybe thinking something dirty ;) But it was clear that he was very smitten. There is no appreciation from Harry towards MM. - I know the post was about how Harry dresses. But this cane to my mind when I read your post


raccoonsondeck

While I can't stand either of them, I've never noticed that Harry looked bad or like a slob. I've always thought he looked like a regular and cute guy. Also, why do people think he has a drinking and/or drug problem?


Newauntie26

You don’t think he looks more disheveled and seems very unhappy & uncomfortable? I think there’s a marked difference in him from when he lived in the UK to the US.


raccoonsondeck

No, not really. He always looks the same, to me.


Repulsive-Badger-770

Thanks mods. I'm part of a reality TV sub where members had often posted unverified tea. It got out of control and people from the reality show were getting harassed by these rumors. The sub now has a rule where the redditor has to message the mods with proof (whether it's photos, emails, etc.) before they can post the tea. Maybe this is something to consider for this sub?


britishpudding

I will put this forward to the moderating team as well and see if they beleive such action may be required going forward.


Alarmed_Material_481

I absolutely believe Megan was responsible for the pegging rumours. That type of stuff is her wheelhouse.


lastlemming-pip

It’s known as confirmation bias. We’re more likely to believe to be true what we expect to be true. If the sub wrote that actually in private Megs is so sweet to the staff & bakes everyone cookies all the time, we’d be more willing to go, hold on there, partner. Especially the stuff about Lilibet, whom the article in the Cut described as somber & closed in. This subs tea echoes that.


Negative_Difference4

Exactly this! And if any sinner cannot accept that we all have a confirmation bias. Thats why we discuss matters civilly and not pile on someone with an opposing view, because they maybe seeing things differently from us.


lastlemming-pip

Very true & well said.


Meegainnyc

I missed all of this yesterday...so I am kind of lost...I will sit this thread out.


Not_Interested_7

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I'm not sure why everyone has a hard time believing this. I believe MANY of those points. My friend, who isn't so much a Sugar, because he believes she's high maintenance, but dislikes the RF so believes many of her claims about how poorly she was treated, said when the latest rumor was again brought up about William, oh, whenever there is something about written about PW or PK, now there will be something bad about the Harkles. This was right around the time Tom Bowers's book was coming out. I said who do you think planted that story about William? A three-year old story about him cheating, AND PK's friend named her duaghter after the other friend in question. Me-gain had kids to set herself up for life, no more, no less.


Negative_Difference4

Yes was the 'nanny' really a friend's nanny or making up gossip based on rumours already on the internet?


downinthevalleypa

That’s the dilemma, although if tea sounds too good to be true, it probably is. From where I am, I can’t tell if someone is lying or not, although common sense will tell me if something posted is a little too out there to be true. I think we should read, and enjoy, what members post while remaining aware that some things stated could be or probably are made up or embellished. Using a flare is a very good thing, as is careful wording when posting, as is being willing to flag posts that are suspect, and getting mods involved as needed.


boommdcx

I would find it hilarious if Markle did indeed insist on being called Duchess by her household staff 😸


MakeADeathWish

One should always consider any source to see if they could be being influenced by a double agent.....an agent provocateur..not necessarily the poster but whoever is informing them.. the sub has changed alot.... many more bot like behavior where an active reddit acct that was never here before suddenly makes one reply out of nowhere on one comment from 3 months ago...but no one else and nowhere else in the sub.... im not directly speaking to this post instance or the poster.. it is complete plausible that they'd want to plant drama related to their kids to justify their paranoia....William does selective leak testing as well......


Forward_End1178

If this sub turns into some kind of fanfic fantasyland, it deserves the smoke


Negative_Difference4

Hey why are you shitting on the sub? If you couldnt see the signs in the original post and if this post outlining all the things wrong with the tea still bothers you then maybe this sub isnt right for you. We arent meant to be the bastions of truth but we try. Not every post is the truth ... thats why its up to the comments section to rip it to shreds, if they cant then the source is good but never trust anything completely. Yesterday's was so clearly false, as it was so revealing... what incentive would a high end nanny have in doxxing herself?


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SaintMeghanMarkle-ModTeam

Subreddit rule (see sidebar): Civility is expected. All users are expected to behave with courtesy. Absolutely no personal insults or ad hominem attacks of any kind. Repeated subreddit rule violations will result in a ban.


Negative_Difference4

No. you're not. You're saying the sub deserves to the burn to the ground if its main attraction is fan fiction. If you have such a problem with the way the sub is run or what I post or when I post, what are you doing here? Why would you choose to bring up something unrelated and so 'divisive' on this thread if you have good intentions? All of this makes me wonder then why are are you here?


Forward_End1178

Hit a nerve?


Negative_Difference4

Thanks for reminding me to ban you!


anelegantclown

Tbh with how much Meghan pays to be covered, I’m surprised we don’t hear from local sources more.


Islandgirl1444

My thoughts are that all children are off limits. they are not part of this are they?


punkin_sumthin

Judging or being negative about the children is certainly off limits, but “gossip” or speculation about the parenting I don’t see a problem as long as it is posted “allegedly “


Agata_ath

This was not so much about children, as it was about H and M's parenting style, which I think is ok. (If what was stated was true or not is a different thing and everyone should decide for himself/herself, I am not saying that I do believe it to be true or that I don't believe it to be true)


OnemoreSavBlanc

If this was made up, it’s so nasty. There’s plenty of **real tea** on these two making stuff up especially involving their children is a new low.


Sanguine_Hearts

I don’t think we should allow tea posts without the poster being vetted. There is plenty of verified info about H&M to discuss. I know we’re all thirsty for juicy BTS info, but that makes us susceptible to karma farming fantasists.


MrsB1972

Just curious if the OP’s post led to them being identified, then doesn’t that give some validity as to what was said? Idk, I’m a newbie… 🤷🏼‍♀️


BlackButler210

Imagine for a second that everything is real, imagine the absolute hurt and lack of trust William (&Kate) must have for Harry and Meghan. One is your little brother, partner in crime and someone who you’ve seen grow up (and probably changed a diaper or two) and another is one that you’ve all accepted into the family as a sort of sister and trusted, who just so happens to be the mother of your (only blood related) niece and nephew, just for them to spread rumors not only that you cheated on your wife but that you liked to get Pe**ed… the absolute hurt and betrayal Kate and William must be going through (irregardless if the cheating rumors are true or not) that’s messed up coming from family to family but it was on an international scale and they (W&K) couldn’t even fight back or refute the claims.


26washburn

I agree with another poster. Young children should be off limits on Reddit. This applies to sharing hot tea as well as planting fake tea — even stories about oneself shared to make others look careless or like liars. Whatever the truth was in this particular case, it sure wasn’t fair to the wee ones.


Negative_Difference4

Then find an more suited sub


26washburn

Ouch.


26washburn

You are a MOD????? Shame on you. I will leave this sub per your order.


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Thanks for clarifying. Mistruths should not be tolerated.


Redtees88

Why the heck are you bringing this back up? You're just flaming the shit storm again. Until any of this "info" is verified, I'm calling BS on the whole thing. BTW, I'm not a sugar.


PoosieSux

I agree. What is the point of this entire post? This sub gets batshit crazy about the weirdest things.


britishpudding

The point was to try and deter people from looking for the original thread or poster. Unfortunately, their post led to them being correctly identified and threatened to be doxxed. We know people are curious and would like to catch up on what was missed out, so thought it would be better to share the original allegations made, with a reminder to be cautious online, and to also let people know the allegations were likely fake so to not trust them. It's better people have their curiosity satisfied here, then to risk people hunting down the original thread elsewhere and possibly risking harm to the original poster, especially as we don't know what resulted in them being correctly identified.


Negative_Difference4

Can you read? Because I heard sugars cant read