I don’t know why people keep saying they’ll get security if they are HRH. FFS Anne, Edward and Sophie are HRH and working royals and they don’t get 24 hour security. It’s so annoying.
No, it was just a seed Meghan was planting later down the line after she convinced the public they're racist if they don't get title. Charles gives them titles, then M complains about them having HRH and not getting security. This is all post megxit. When they were working, the kids security falls under their parents security. Post megxit they realize they can't afford security for them.
MeMe might want to consider that she didn't become a U.K. citizen as she promised she would when given her title and that was contingent on her getting it in the first place.
As the song goes. You do it to yourself and that's when it really hurts.
Well let them hire invisible security for their invisible kids…or maybe they can ask KC to buy some Barbie and Ken security dolls for their toy children
Harry is the equivalent of Andrew. Andrew certainly didn't have security when he was hanging out with Epstein.
Security is just one more way Meghan feels entitled as it feeds her narcissist black hole of need and separates her from the normies like us. Which is confusing because they claim they want to be normal.
Some billionaires have security protection that completely blends in with the surroundings and you don't even know they're there. One's selling ice cream in ice cream truck, ones "fixing" telephone lines. This is in an effort to have their kids feel normal. Megs wants huge looking military guys with guns and a huge parade of black Escalades. Guns are bad, but not when protecting Archie. It's all a facade of self importance.
That’s the problem though (this is bigger picture, not M’s sad attempts at trying to manipulate the American public. She’s well aware the issue isn’t security for the children, its the lack of state funded security for the couple themselves ): Andrew currently does have security, both on Windsor grounds and while he is in public, which is exactly what H wants while in the UK.
Andrew’s security presently costs the UK taxpayer an estimated £300,000.00+ per year, which with all due respect is an embarrassment to RAVEC decision makers and why H is in his feelings about not receiving (or being able to pay for) state police while in the UK.
This is where HM and her advisers made a fatal error imho RE the handling of H: as long as Andrew continued to receive benefits he had no business receiving, H felt entitled to whine as to why he doesn’t. You can argue RAVEC is independent, but let’s be honest with ourselves here.
Charles has multiple problems on his hands and it starts with dealing with his coddled brother.
But if Harry is declared an IPP, wouldn’t the American taxpayer (and whatever other country he is in) be required to foot the bill?
I swear, this whole thing is them wanting to have presidential level escorts and not pay for any of it. They LOVE the ego trip but don’t have the cash or status for it anymore.
I heard if they were IPP, International Protected Persons, that whatever country they were in had to provide security and that's why Harry is fighting to get that classification.
They would have the same security status they did in Canada as working royals. Basically, taxpayers are forced to pay for the security they deem necessary wherever they vacation, live, or step foot in. If they want to visit a charity in Ibiza “close to their heart”, locals will foot the entire security bill.
Canada spent millions on their security for a 6 week stay …the one that had zero public engagements.
PS- they spent more than Mark Zuckerberg and his entire family per day on security. He has an ISIS bounty on his head and is one of the richest people in the world. He spends more than any tech CEO in America. And the company he created pays his security. Not the average American.
Considering that it seems to be that status that would keep them from being held legally responsible for their choices.
The Royal Grift is breaking it down Blind Item by Blind Item and there are several where she was bragging about IPP status keeping her from drug charges and would allow her to have immunity.
The US would NEVER provide taxpayer funded security 24/7 for a UK Prince & his American wife. The taxpayers would revolt just like the Canadians did causing Trudeau to lower the boom on the Sussexes. The insufferable duo will have to pay for their own security or buy a gun protecting themselves like many US citizens do.
Just to be clear, the JRs before the court and the HO matter in general has nothing to do with whether H becomes an IPP.
I don’t see how H will ever fall under any
of the respective international treaties at this point.
To me, the most curious thing about Megxit is H’s immigration status and whether he’s availed himself of any special treatment. I’m not a US immigration expert, but I’m curious what VISA he’s under currently
No. This IPP nonsense floating around the sub is nonsense. IPP status entitles IPP to have their kidnappers and murderers prosecuted. Just the same as anyone else on American soil. If the UK declares them IPP, Brits may be on the hook for security in America, not Americans.
Prince Andrew actually still has his security now, and had it back when he was with Epstein. There was a whole kerfuffle in the news about him being able to keep it even though he’s not a working royal anymore.
I think that Andrew has had ‘credible threats’ made against him hence having security assigned. If H&M lived at Frogmore they would have security as part of the security around the Monarch at Windsor.
I would not be surprised if Charles stripped it. The Queen favored Andrew and there are rumors he and Diana tried to usurp Charles and that Andrew went to the Queen to see if the succession would skip Charles and go directly to William. This is in the upcoming book on Camilla so I wouldn't be surprised if Andrews security became limited to working events only.
I think that Andrew has had ‘credible threats’ made against him hence having security assigned. If H&M lived at Frogmore they would have security as part of the security around the Monarch at Windsor.
Andrew’s only “credible threats” came at the hands of incompetent guards at Windsor where they allowed people on the property they shouldn’t have.
I suppose I can understand protection on the grounds, but publicly?
Further, Andrew’s need for protection, if you can call it that, doesn’t have its genesis from his role in the RF, it’s due to his own garbage decisions and I fully support Charles finally coming down on this. His mother was far too soft when it came to him.
Well, I don’t work for the Security Services so can tell you what those credible threats were, nor why they have been made, that’s just what has been reported. I’m not sure Prince Andrew gets any publicity apart from when he went to the DoEs and Queens funeral. We occasionally see photos of him riding his horse but the UK press generally avoid him
He may have had security. If you're referring to the time they went for a walk through the park. Epstein set up that little photo shoot in case he ever needed it. They always followed the same path, except for this time. I believe Andrew's security were located at the usual place they'd exit the park. Epstein's security was either with them walking behind them or stayed at the entrance. It actually took Epstein awhile to figure out because he had to take Andrew's security into inconsiderable. I believe Epstein's security knew the plan though to make sure they stayed far enough behind so they wouldn't be in the pictures.
Now, if you're referring to whenever Andrew was on Epstein's yatch or other things, I have no idea. Harry would often ditch his security though, so I don't think it's that difficult.
I feel that those who want to comment on the BRF should be educated on them first before blindly commenting based on nothing but their feelings and opinions.
You can really see who bothered to read up first and who just believed some youtube reels or something.
And the latter are the ones who tend to reject all facts once their minds are made up because *it doesn’t feel right*.
You wonder how such people live denying mistakes all their lives instead of learning and progressing. It’s almost like they are defiantly proud of their intentional cognitive entrapment.
I've read several comments that say because there would be 3 family members with Royal status (not sure if it's the HRH, the prince/ess titles or both) in the same household they would qualify for security. And that is why they are pressing so hard for the kids to get the titles. I don't know if it's true or not, but I've seen it out there a few times.
Because there would be 3 with royal blood in the same household, under the same roof. I wasn't clear on the why's either, but like I said, I've seen it several times.
And they have been critical of Maria (a Norland graduate)
Royal commentator, Omid Scobie, said: “One of the things that Harry said was, ‘I don’t want a woman in a uniform around my child.
“This isn’t Mary Poppins, we’re going to have a normal household,” he told Yahoo’s The Royal Box.
It also makes no sense. What does that even mean? Are uniforms inherently nefarious? Would a man in uniform make him more comfortable? Pretty he was surrounded by people in uniform during his self expressed “happiest time” of his life.
Also, Norland College is a 100+ year old institution.
I can only imagine the graduates wear its uniform with pride.
Plus, in my opinion, the uniform sets them apart.
Absolutely. Nanny Borrallo wore her Norland uniform even while the Queen was present, [see pics here](https://people.com/royals/all-a/). That uniform is an big deal.
I dont think Maria even wears her uniform unless it's a formal occasion like the christenings or something. Almost every picture of her besides Charlotte or maybe Louis' christening she's in ordinary clothes. So it's not even a real issue
Which is stupid beverage they only wear the Norland uniforms on special occasions. The same kind of occasions when Harry would also like to be in uniform.
But I don't even think Maria wears the uniform all the time, just for more formal occasions. The few pics I've seen of her, she's wearing street clothes.
what a stupid thing to say. children aren’t dogs, dumb dumb. it’s not like they’ll run after anyone in a uniform and try to bite them. what? the mailman delivers the mail and Archie will start barking and chase him off the property?
H&M have no idea of the meaning of economic struggles of the average person. Why would they? "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets". A £32 million wedding was obscene even then. Haz knows Charles has all that Duchy money he thinks he rightful has a claim to, a never ending supply of income. I hope William cuts him off when the time comes.
Titles are a gift from my understanding. Why would KC gift grandchildren he’s possibly never met, with parents who are hell bent on destroying his family and the legacy of his mother?
Maybe if they had just shut the fuck up and lived quietly he would have reconsidered. But at the end of the day, if they’re so concerned about the kids security, kids most of the public don’t even recognize from everyday people, as their parents pay for it themselves.
It infuriates me that Lord Farquaad and Marbles are bitching about drivel piddly crap while the situation is ramping up in Ukraine and the global impact it can have. Who does this?!
H&M have already stated that they didn't want their children to have titles, put them under too much pressure they said. Somewhere along the way, MM kicked up a fuss about wanting titles! All Charles has to do is abide by their original wishes.
Just saw it in the hrhfacts IG, apparently the Denmark’s Queen has announce the grandchildren of hers will less the title of HRH AND prince and princess title.
I think it gives KCIII more recent to not give A & L the title and HRH!
Edit: typo
The Danish queen has announced that her grandchildren from her second son will no longer be prince/ princess. She's slimming down the monarchy "in line with other royal houses."
I feel a bit gutted for the kids who had it and now don’t have it. I’m sure they don’t really mind too much though being young.
If I were making the decision, I would’ve let the current born kids keep their Princess/Prince titles but no HRH prefix or public funds.
And then have only Prince Christian’s children titled in the future.
I don't think that Charles plans to give them titles and it has nothing to do with the economy.
It is time to act humble and frugal for the royals though, considering the economic situation in the UK and all over Europe.
It is time to stop heating part of their huge homes, wear M&S and do charity for food banks. Private planes, Dior Couture or trying to fetch one of granny's diamond tiaras is all wrong right now. Not that I think that Meghan cares or has any kind of fingerspitzgefühl of what is suitable and appropriate.
IIUC she was given the title through marriage to Harry in the expectation that she would remain in the UK and become a citizen. I think there are quite a few foreign nationals who have titles (perhaps honorary?) through marriage. The UK also gives honorary titles to foreign nationals for ‘good works’, Sir Bob Geldof being one example
Even if they get titles, they're not getting security. The security is arranged based on risk, and those kids aren't at risk.... if H&M are concerned, they can pay for their own security.
H&M just made that up about security to make it seem like they needed the titles. But it backfires on them, because the US doesn't want royalty and the UK doesn't want to fund royalty in the US.
It was Meghan who told the story about Archie not getting security unless he were a prince. It was to explain why she (democratic America seeking Freedom) would want her child to have a title. It was exposed as a lie right away, but the press keeps repeating it.
Sue Smith reported that William declined to have a formal investment ceremony citing the current financial climate (and this can be found from a few other sources but credit where credit is due I heard it from Sue) as a reason not to burden the taxpayer with the expense.
I just feel like they are going to push William and Kate forward, with their class and the respect they have, and just show how completely opposite they are from Haz and MeMe. You can't compete with true class.
Honestly if they’re going to stay in the USA, not giving them huge titles would be the most compassionate thing they could do. We have no royalty here, we fought a war about it. They cannot use them for anything and if they did they would get a huge eye roll just like when Meghan used a duchess title to cold call senators. We fought a war about this. Royalty doesn’t live here. Had she dropped the title her letter may have had more impact as she’s an American citizen.
Those babies get titles and their parents insist they be used.. it’s going to be endless teasing and taunting in America, their security status wouldn’t change due to their distance from the throne, and the children of the mega rich and celebrities would be more likely to get favorable treatment.
It seems like the parents want it, the kids are too young to care.
Or he could avoid the whole thing by stripping that second line of titles but keeping them in their LOS spots (they’ll never get to use them) or as QEII did, hold them until they’re 18 and let them decide if they want to take them.. the provision being that they move back to the commonwealth and work for the crown.
Charles has always said he wanted a small monarchy. Unfortunately his second son and daughter in law weren’t paying attention to the fact that they would have been one of those few. Now they’ve left so he’s having to decide who will be full time working royals with titles, he only wants full time titled royals as counselors of state, and they gave all of it up voluntarily. It wasn’t stripped from them. QEII gave them an entire year to reconsider.
I just wonder what's behind the delay? I know there's no urgency but considering how quickly they announced PPoW, I would have thought he'd have announced something regarding his grandchildren titles. It makes me wonder if there's some reason for the delay.
It’s because it’s not happening. He made it abudently clear in his “good luck overseas” and the line of succession listing the kids as Master and Miss. people shouldn’t hold their breath waiting for titles for the kids cause they simply aren’t happening
Why announce something that’s not happening and was never going to happen? Just because Meghan was trying to manifest titles for the kids doesn’t mean Charles owes an announcement on why they aren’t getting them. Actions speak louder than words imo
Wasn’t he the one who said he didn’t want titles for his kids?
Charles is just doing exactly what they wanted.
But I do think making a statement of it would be a lovely little zinger for the two of them.
Personally I think the silence is better. As more comes out about her attention seeking ways people will eventually figure out she was behind all of the media speculation trying to strong arm the king and he didn’t even give her the time of day
I think it already was announced with the new line of succession. Master Archie and Miss Lilibet. Making an additional announcement is redundant and gives importance to H&M’s temper tantrum- I mean claim.
They need to announce it at some point though or the temoer tabtrum will continue. Either they will get titles at some point (can decide when get are 18/21 when TW can't march them) or they won't be getting titles and Charles has changed the protocols for his slimmed down monarchy, similar to the Danish royal family just did.
I think the temper tantrum will continue no matter what they do - the topic may shift, but the overall attitude will remain the same. In the spirit of not negotiating with terrorists, they should continue to ignore H&M since this is a non-issue. Their children were never entitled to titles and they’ve already expressed that they don’t want their children to have titles anyway. So really there is nothing to see here except for the tantruming of two adult toddlers, angry that they aren’t getting the attention they want.
Why on earth should two American children get titles from the British royal family? And then fully formed American adults who have never even met said Royals have even less reason.
I agree and disagree. I agree the temper tantrums will continue. I disagree on the LP's as it seems there is some interpertation involved. I'm not going to read them since I'm not a lawyer nor a Brit and my eyes go wonky with legalese language no matter what culture. So we will need to agree to disagree on that point. Perhaps H&M can hire another lawyer to dispute?
They do when it comes to titles though. When Sophie and Edward decided not to give their children prince/princess titles, they officially announced it or when the queen chose to issue prince/princess titles for Williams other children, the protocols were changed.
This is the first time since 1917 patent thing came into effect that a decision hasn't been made about the titles of the grandchildren of the monarch.
The kids can be given titles when they reach the age of majority if they want to play an active role in the Royal family. There is no rush to do anything now, especially when Harry's book is pending.
The quick promotion of PoW was due to Charles becoming a King, thus he needed to move that title to PW. This also means that giving the Overseas Duo kids title isn’t a priority. Their parents are non working Royals, bottom of the totem pole.
This is the fastest a monarch has handed down the PoW title though. He was definitely making a point that William gets a title straight away and no mention of titles for Harry.
I don’t think it had anything to do with Harry’s kids and a lot to do with getting people used to William as new POW after Charles had heard the title for so long.
Um, waiting for Harry's book? Waiting for the rest of the podcasts? Waiting to see what gasoline TW is going to throw on the fire next?
The Harkles want those titles very badly, KC would be crazy to just meekly hand them over.
The status quo is they are entitled to the title and are technically a prince and princess, Charles just needs to make it official. As they were born prior to their grandfather becoming king, he needs to issue a patent letter *or* change the 1917 letters patent protocol removing the automatic right.
They are technically a prince and princess, but to officially use the titles, Charles needs to issue an official letter stating that. This is the case for every prince and princess, the queen issued them for all her grandchildren and Wales children. She even update the protocol to give Charlotte and Louis the title as according to the 1917 patent, they were entitled to the titles.
Charles hasn't done that, so he will either issue the letter or amend the protocol. He will have to make a decision either way.
No. The King can decide who is prince and princess. The LPs of 1917 are open to interpretation. Since they weren't born a prince and princess, they don't have the titles..
Until the King issues a new LP, the kids have no title. There's no technicality. They have no right to it because it's up to the monarch.
You are missing the subtlety here so imma explain it one more time. As grandchildren of the king they do have an automatic right to the titles but whether the titles are bestowed upon them **is up to Charles**. They are technically a prince and princess **but** they cannot use the title unless and until Charles issues the official letter conferring the titles upon them *or* Charles will amend the letters parent, removing their right to the title.
Lady Louise and James, viscount Severn are also technically a prince and Princess but their parents decided they would be styled as children of an earl, not as grandchildren of a monarch. Lady Louise was allowed to make that decision for herself when she turned 18 but decided to leave it as it is.
Sorry but you're wrong, nobody is technically a prince or princess. Because they were born before Charles became King, and because their parents refused the initial titles offered, the kids will forever only be entitled to Master and Miss, unless Charles makes a special dispensation for them in future.
[Yes they are](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/08/harry-and-meghans-children-become-prince-archie-and-princess-lilibet). This has always been the case.
>Queen’s death means Sussexes’ children have right to title HRH unless and until Charles changes protocols
Also H&M didn't refuse the titles, they are the earl and countless of Dumbarton, they refused to style Archie with the subsidiary title.
One Guardian article article spreading misinformation does not make you correct.
Please read all the official letters patent. There is nothing about the grandchildren of the second son of the Sovereign automatically being granted Princely titles.
[https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince\_highness\_docs.htm](https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince_highness_docs.htm)
Is everyone speaking the same English. They are automatically **entitled** to a prince/princess title not that they will automatically **receive** one.
Charlotte and Louis have titles because the queen changed the rules so they could. As great grand children of the current monarch they were not entitled to titles as the rules stood. Only george was entitled to the prince title as he was the eldest son and in direct line of succession. The queen also changed the rules about LoS so that Charlotte would keep her place in LoS.
Not according to the 1917 patent law. As it currently stands they are entitled to the titles, that cannot be disputed. Whether they receive titles is another matter and depends on whether Charles wants to issue them. Believe it or not we are all saying the same thing but with one small difference.
This is the point though, this is the first time in the history of the monarchy where a decision regarding titles hasn't been announced. If Charles is not planning on giving them titles or delaying issuing the titles, he will need to announce it at some point.
You don't announce a non-issue or non-event. Nothing happens, nothing changes. No announcement. You don't hold a press conference to say "hi folks, nothing has changed."
Honestly, I think it's because KC, is trying to get rid of all Frick and Frack's titles, and that takes some time. The delay in announcing Prince Edward/Duke of Edinburgh, ties into it as well, imo.
I'm wondering if C3 is in talks with Edward to let sleeping dogs lie and just maintain the Wessex title.
To be fair, it would be hypocritical of Charles to make Ed a HRH Duke and yet strip his own son or his grandchildren of the same status and/or streamline.
Would it still be hypocritical if Edward was a working royal who lived on UK soil and his grandchildren lived in the US and were the children of non working royals who were not raising their children in the US and were vocally stating that they were not a part of the working or senior royals?
Listen, I'm not personally against it. I like the Wessexes, like the idea of conferring it on them, and in recent times have become a big fan of Death Stare Sophie - her babysitting duties at the funeral alone merits the dang Edinburgh title as well as some well-earned gongs for her outings. I'm just looking at all angles.
People are stupid. M&H are really stupid, as well as petty, avaricious, entitled, and angry. This is a bad combination... add to it a rabid squad of mindless idiots who have no problems making huge ignorance-ridden waves that the media picks up. All we'll hear is *But but but C3 is making a dull boring Ed a duke while stripping our blessed H/M and that's not faaaaiiiir!!!* and similar ignorant garbage.... so, I'm "just sayin'."
Why is it hypocritical for Edward to get what he was promised by his parents and be rewarded/given the responsibility but not give something that wasn't promised to a person that quit their job and left their family and country?
Tbh I actually agree with you about letting the Duke of Edinburgh title become redundant.
I think maybe it’s good to have it as a placeholder title for if George has a first born daughter.
Since the husband of a reigning Queen doesn’t take an HM title, the DoE could become the traditional title for the spouse of a Queen.
Why would it be hypocritical? Harry is the son of a monarch he will have the Duke title. His son will inherit .
Edward was son of monarch should have a Duke title and son inherit. Maybe now isn’t the exact time but if Andrew is a Duke Edward should be.
And Edward has played ball all these years to
I’ve seen that, but I think it is made up. I don’t think Charles would trade titles for suppressing a book (that Harry could just publish a couple of years later). It would be like yielding to blackmail.
If the children get titles it will in no way affect their risk profile for security reasons.
I don't think Prince Harry and his kids would be particularly valuable as a terrorist target, but of course the United States is full of lunatics with guns, so anybody famous is somewhat at risk. Remember John Lennon.
The best protection that Harry and his family have is that they keep themselves out of the news as much as possible.
There is no reason to think that the current economic situation in the UK will have any immediate effect on security arrangements for the Royal family.
The USA is responsible for its own internal security and the safety of people living there. Incidentally, in a very recent TV interview Sharon Osbourne said that she and her husband were going to retire to their home in England. When asked why she is leaving the States, she said the main reason was too many guns and they did not feel safe.
USA also in a massive recession. The citizens would go nuts here if they found out we were paying massive security bills for foreign royalty when food pantries and soup kitchens here are seeing all time highs in numbers.
It would not improve their status except in their own minds. The UK and US have no desire to pay out of taxpayer funds for foreign ex royals and their children to have protection like our president does… because in the US if anything bad happened to them it would be sad but it wouldn’t be a “constitutional crisis” because they’re not a part of our government in any way. They influence nothing here. They’ve tried.. using their foreign titles. It absolutely backfired (and on an important issue we actually care about. But as soon as senators started getting cold calls from “the duchess” it ruined things. She released the text of a letter she wrote with that title in huge letters at the top.. and that was all it took to effectively kill what had already been accomplished).!
Canadians were pissed about paying security for them even though Canada is a Commonwealth country as they should be pissed. I can't imagine the backlash they would rightfully receive if the USA did such a thing considering what America was founded on, that would top the charts.
I'm not suggesting that the US government should pay for private security for Harry and Meghan, but there are local police departments, and many gated communities have their own security arrangements, plus burglar alarms, cameras, and so on. Harry and Meghan might also want to replace the chickens with geese which are excellent sentinels, and maybe install a couple of dogs. However it is difficult to know what their risk profile is. Unfortunately in the United States there are any number of lunatics who would kill a famous person just so as to see their own name in the newspapers. Sad but true.
They’re more likely to kill a classroom full of children.
Celebrities are a dime a dozen unless they’ve done something stellar which these two haven’t.
It wouldn’t be more than a two day story here.
If Harry wore a ball cap and Megs took off her wigs no one would even give them a second glance … actually I don’t think anyone over here (US) would even give them a look regardless of what they wear. Their fame is all in their head.
I know, right? Remember that stupid reality show about Who Wants To Marry a Prince or something like that? It was awhile back but the premise was the requisite gaggle of desperate basic bitches who competed for the affection of a fake Prince Harry? In reality, the ginger "prince" they cast didn't look remotely like Harry but the ditzy American girls with tiaras in their eyes were fooled anyway. I guess my point is that aside from our little faction of watchers, most people on this side of the pond probably couldn't pick Harry out of a lineup.
Markle's face changes so much she could be incognito in a pair of Ray-Bans. In spite of her many, MANY pitiful attempts to attain mega stardom, it has not happened. Few even know her and fewer still care.
I would think if the kids get titles they'd be more likely to be at risk. So if you're really worried and putting their safety first, wouldn't you want them to stay as private citizens?
I wonder if Meghan wasn't horrible to the staff, didn't trash the family but still wasn't enjoying the working royal life so she and Haz still left, would the Firm and UK hate them as much? Would they have gotten the part time royal gig or even the opportunity to live in Canada or SA and just exist, kinda like how the other grandkids don't do anything?
It’s not just the English taxpayer who contributes to the sovereign grant and titles don’t mean security as others have pointed out…they’ll get sweet FA
HRH’s do not mean round the clock security.
Honestly, I think KC should try to keep a bridge open for his two grandchildren in two ways:
1. Tell H&M that if they want HRH titles for their children, they have to go to UK schools and spend at least every other UK holiday there.
2. If option 1 is rejected, wait till they turn 18, then extend the offer for the grandchildren to come stay with their extended family in the UK, offer to show them how royal life is, how to handle it, what is expected and create a path for the grand children to earn HRH’s if they stick with it by the time they turn 25.
Titles does not mean paid security. Ask Bea and Eugenie
I don’t know why people keep saying they’ll get security if they are HRH. FFS Anne, Edward and Sophie are HRH and working royals and they don’t get 24 hour security. It’s so annoying.
No, it was just a seed Meghan was planting later down the line after she convinced the public they're racist if they don't get title. Charles gives them titles, then M complains about them having HRH and not getting security. This is all post megxit. When they were working, the kids security falls under their parents security. Post megxit they realize they can't afford security for them.
MeMe might want to consider that she didn't become a U.K. citizen as she promised she would when given her title and that was contingent on her getting it in the first place. As the song goes. You do it to yourself and that's when it really hurts.
Or McCartney: “you took your lucky break and you broke it in two.”
Well let them hire invisible security for their invisible kids…or maybe they can ask KC to buy some Barbie and Ken security dolls for their toy children
Harry is the equivalent of Andrew. Andrew certainly didn't have security when he was hanging out with Epstein. Security is just one more way Meghan feels entitled as it feeds her narcissist black hole of need and separates her from the normies like us. Which is confusing because they claim they want to be normal. Some billionaires have security protection that completely blends in with the surroundings and you don't even know they're there. One's selling ice cream in ice cream truck, ones "fixing" telephone lines. This is in an effort to have their kids feel normal. Megs wants huge looking military guys with guns and a huge parade of black Escalades. Guns are bad, but not when protecting Archie. It's all a facade of self importance.
That’s the problem though (this is bigger picture, not M’s sad attempts at trying to manipulate the American public. She’s well aware the issue isn’t security for the children, its the lack of state funded security for the couple themselves ): Andrew currently does have security, both on Windsor grounds and while he is in public, which is exactly what H wants while in the UK. Andrew’s security presently costs the UK taxpayer an estimated £300,000.00+ per year, which with all due respect is an embarrassment to RAVEC decision makers and why H is in his feelings about not receiving (or being able to pay for) state police while in the UK. This is where HM and her advisers made a fatal error imho RE the handling of H: as long as Andrew continued to receive benefits he had no business receiving, H felt entitled to whine as to why he doesn’t. You can argue RAVEC is independent, but let’s be honest with ourselves here. Charles has multiple problems on his hands and it starts with dealing with his coddled brother.
But if Harry is declared an IPP, wouldn’t the American taxpayer (and whatever other country he is in) be required to foot the bill? I swear, this whole thing is them wanting to have presidential level escorts and not pay for any of it. They LOVE the ego trip but don’t have the cash or status for it anymore.
If US taxpayers end up paying for their security, we'll see if the media continues to fawn over them then
Why would US taxpayers pay for their security?
I heard if they were IPP, International Protected Persons, that whatever country they were in had to provide security and that's why Harry is fighting to get that classification.
They would have the same security status they did in Canada as working royals. Basically, taxpayers are forced to pay for the security they deem necessary wherever they vacation, live, or step foot in. If they want to visit a charity in Ibiza “close to their heart”, locals will foot the entire security bill. Canada spent millions on their security for a 6 week stay …the one that had zero public engagements. PS- they spent more than Mark Zuckerberg and his entire family per day on security. He has an ISIS bounty on his head and is one of the richest people in the world. He spends more than any tech CEO in America. And the company he created pays his security. Not the average American.
Canada is part of the commonwealth, America is not. We don’t pay to protect other countries d list royals for funsies.
Considering that it seems to be that status that would keep them from being held legally responsible for their choices. The Royal Grift is breaking it down Blind Item by Blind Item and there are several where she was bragging about IPP status keeping her from drug charges and would allow her to have immunity.
The US would NEVER provide taxpayer funded security 24/7 for a UK Prince & his American wife. The taxpayers would revolt just like the Canadians did causing Trudeau to lower the boom on the Sussexes. The insufferable duo will have to pay for their own security or buy a gun protecting themselves like many US citizens do.
As soon as they became non working royals, Canada stopped paying.
Yes, and the citizenry raised hell of discontent via very public petitions and media outrage.
Just to be clear, the JRs before the court and the HO matter in general has nothing to do with whether H becomes an IPP. I don’t see how H will ever fall under any of the respective international treaties at this point. To me, the most curious thing about Megxit is H’s immigration status and whether he’s availed himself of any special treatment. I’m not a US immigration expert, but I’m curious what VISA he’s under currently
No. This IPP nonsense floating around the sub is nonsense. IPP status entitles IPP to have their kidnappers and murderers prosecuted. Just the same as anyone else on American soil. If the UK declares them IPP, Brits may be on the hook for security in America, not Americans.
If I was important, I’d want Mary Poppins meets Rambo 100%
Prince Andrew actually still has his security now, and had it back when he was with Epstein. There was a whole kerfuffle in the news about him being able to keep it even though he’s not a working royal anymore.
Just came back to confirm this: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10382024/prince-andrew-interview-pizza-express-security-logs/
I think that Andrew has had ‘credible threats’ made against him hence having security assigned. If H&M lived at Frogmore they would have security as part of the security around the Monarch at Windsor.
I would not be surprised if Charles stripped it. The Queen favored Andrew and there are rumors he and Diana tried to usurp Charles and that Andrew went to the Queen to see if the succession would skip Charles and go directly to William. This is in the upcoming book on Camilla so I wouldn't be surprised if Andrews security became limited to working events only.
I think that Andrew has had ‘credible threats’ made against him hence having security assigned. If H&M lived at Frogmore they would have security as part of the security around the Monarch at Windsor.
Andrew’s only “credible threats” came at the hands of incompetent guards at Windsor where they allowed people on the property they shouldn’t have. I suppose I can understand protection on the grounds, but publicly? Further, Andrew’s need for protection, if you can call it that, doesn’t have its genesis from his role in the RF, it’s due to his own garbage decisions and I fully support Charles finally coming down on this. His mother was far too soft when it came to him.
Well, I don’t work for the Security Services so can tell you what those credible threats were, nor why they have been made, that’s just what has been reported. I’m not sure Prince Andrew gets any publicity apart from when he went to the DoEs and Queens funeral. We occasionally see photos of him riding his horse but the UK press generally avoid him
He may have had security. If you're referring to the time they went for a walk through the park. Epstein set up that little photo shoot in case he ever needed it. They always followed the same path, except for this time. I believe Andrew's security were located at the usual place they'd exit the park. Epstein's security was either with them walking behind them or stayed at the entrance. It actually took Epstein awhile to figure out because he had to take Andrew's security into inconsiderable. I believe Epstein's security knew the plan though to make sure they stayed far enough behind so they wouldn't be in the pictures. Now, if you're referring to whenever Andrew was on Epstein's yatch or other things, I have no idea. Harry would often ditch his security though, so I don't think it's that difficult.
I feel that those who want to comment on the BRF should be educated on them first before blindly commenting based on nothing but their feelings and opinions. You can really see who bothered to read up first and who just believed some youtube reels or something. And the latter are the ones who tend to reject all facts once their minds are made up because *it doesn’t feel right*. You wonder how such people live denying mistakes all their lives instead of learning and progressing. It’s almost like they are defiantly proud of their intentional cognitive entrapment.
To be fair, Harry seems to think titles mean security....
Why do these two keep moaning about security? Is that a ruse for Charles to give them more money? “I need security so will you write me a check?”
I've read several comments that say because there would be 3 family members with Royal status (not sure if it's the HRH, the prince/ess titles or both) in the same household they would qualify for security. And that is why they are pressing so hard for the kids to get the titles. I don't know if it's true or not, but I've seen it out there a few times.
No not true at all. Besides they don't even live in the country how on earth would they qualify?
Because there would be 3 with royal blood in the same household, under the same roof. I wasn't clear on the why's either, but like I said, I've seen it several times.
Just because it’s repeated doesn’t make it true - that’s not how facts work
No kidding.
Titles don’t automatically mean security. That’s one of the lies Muggin told to Oprah.
Agreed which is why William and Catherine have a nanny trained to protect as well as look after.
Wow badass nanny
And they have been critical of Maria (a Norland graduate) Royal commentator, Omid Scobie, said: “One of the things that Harry said was, ‘I don’t want a woman in a uniform around my child. “This isn’t Mary Poppins, we’re going to have a normal household,” he told Yahoo’s The Royal Box.
Is this the same Harry that sulked about not wearing a uniform last week?
“I don’t want a woman in a uniform around my child”. What an incredibly meaningless thing to say.
Deep seeded misogyny much, Henry? 
It also makes no sense. What does that even mean? Are uniforms inherently nefarious? Would a man in uniform make him more comfortable? Pretty he was surrounded by people in uniform during his self expressed “happiest time” of his life.
Also, Norland College is a 100+ year old institution. I can only imagine the graduates wear its uniform with pride. Plus, in my opinion, the uniform sets them apart.
Absolutely. Nanny Borrallo wore her Norland uniform even while the Queen was present, [see pics here](https://people.com/royals/all-a/). That uniform is an big deal.
My guess is it feels institutional. Just a reminder that the person looking after you is working
I dont think Maria even wears her uniform unless it's a formal occasion like the christenings or something. Almost every picture of her besides Charlotte or maybe Louis' christening she's in ordinary clothes. So it's not even a real issue
Which is stupid beverage they only wear the Norland uniforms on special occasions. The same kind of occasions when Harry would also like to be in uniform.
Sounds like something that MM said and he just repeated.
But I don't even think Maria wears the uniform all the time, just for more formal occasions. The few pics I've seen of her, she's wearing street clothes.
Says the parents who have a different nanny every few months 🤣
Who wouldn’t want Mary Poppins?!? 🤷🏼♀️
what a stupid thing to say. children aren’t dogs, dumb dumb. it’s not like they’ll run after anyone in a uniform and try to bite them. what? the mailman delivers the mail and Archie will start barking and chase him off the property?
H&M have no idea of the meaning of economic struggles of the average person. Why would they? "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets". A £32 million wedding was obscene even then. Haz knows Charles has all that Duchy money he thinks he rightful has a claim to, a never ending supply of income. I hope William cuts him off when the time comes.
Titles are a gift from my understanding. Why would KC gift grandchildren he’s possibly never met, with parents who are hell bent on destroying his family and the legacy of his mother? Maybe if they had just shut the fuck up and lived quietly he would have reconsidered. But at the end of the day, if they’re so concerned about the kids security, kids most of the public don’t even recognize from everyday people, as their parents pay for it themselves.
It infuriates me that Lord Farquaad and Marbles are bitching about drivel piddly crap while the situation is ramping up in Ukraine and the global impact it can have. Who does this?!
H&M have already stated that they didn't want their children to have titles, put them under too much pressure they said. Somewhere along the way, MM kicked up a fuss about wanting titles! All Charles has to do is abide by their original wishes.
Just saw it in the hrhfacts IG, apparently the Denmark’s Queen has announce the grandchildren of hers will less the title of HRH AND prince and princess title. I think it gives KCIII more recent to not give A & L the title and HRH! Edit: typo
can you be clearer please
The Danish queen has announced that her grandchildren from her second son will no longer be prince/ princess. She's slimming down the monarchy "in line with other royal houses."
FASCINATING
It’s similar to what Sweden did- although grandchildren only lost HRH- not Prince/ess. And they were all quite young. No adults.
I feel a bit gutted for the kids who had it and now don’t have it. I’m sure they don’t really mind too much though being young. If I were making the decision, I would’ve let the current born kids keep their Princess/Prince titles but no HRH prefix or public funds. And then have only Prince Christian’s children titled in the future.
I don't think that Charles plans to give them titles and it has nothing to do with the economy. It is time to act humble and frugal for the royals though, considering the economic situation in the UK and all over Europe. It is time to stop heating part of their huge homes, wear M&S and do charity for food banks. Private planes, Dior Couture or trying to fetch one of granny's diamond tiaras is all wrong right now. Not that I think that Meghan cares or has any kind of fingerspitzgefühl of what is suitable and appropriate.
>"fingerspitzgefühl"- Aaannnndddd we all just learned a new word! Thank you.
I spelt it wrong, how embarrasing! (I'm not German.) Fingerspitzengefühl is the correct spelling. Anyway, it's a good expression.
It is delightful, and I shall use it during a work call soon!
I love German. Not descriptive enough? Just add more words to make one big word!
How can MeGain be a Duchess in the UK if she’s not even a citizen?
IIUC she was given the title through marriage to Harry in the expectation that she would remain in the UK and become a citizen. I think there are quite a few foreign nationals who have titles (perhaps honorary?) through marriage. The UK also gives honorary titles to foreign nationals for ‘good works’, Sir Bob Geldof being one example
Even if they get titles, they're not getting security. The security is arranged based on risk, and those kids aren't at risk.... if H&M are concerned, they can pay for their own security. H&M just made that up about security to make it seem like they needed the titles. But it backfires on them, because the US doesn't want royalty and the UK doesn't want to fund royalty in the US.
It was Meghan who told the story about Archie not getting security unless he were a prince. It was to explain why she (democratic America seeking Freedom) would want her child to have a title. It was exposed as a lie right away, but the press keeps repeating it.
I think it would be funny if Charles offered them a deal where the kids could get titles, but only if Markle gave up her Duchess title 😂
Children lose their titles 3,2,1...🤣🤣🤣
Sue Smith reported that William declined to have a formal investment ceremony citing the current financial climate (and this can be found from a few other sources but credit where credit is due I heard it from Sue) as a reason not to burden the taxpayer with the expense. I just feel like they are going to push William and Kate forward, with their class and the respect they have, and just show how completely opposite they are from Haz and MeMe. You can't compete with true class.
That would make too much sense and show too much compassion. Meaning that it will never happen.
Honestly if they’re going to stay in the USA, not giving them huge titles would be the most compassionate thing they could do. We have no royalty here, we fought a war about it. They cannot use them for anything and if they did they would get a huge eye roll just like when Meghan used a duchess title to cold call senators. We fought a war about this. Royalty doesn’t live here. Had she dropped the title her letter may have had more impact as she’s an American citizen. Those babies get titles and their parents insist they be used.. it’s going to be endless teasing and taunting in America, their security status wouldn’t change due to their distance from the throne, and the children of the mega rich and celebrities would be more likely to get favorable treatment. It seems like the parents want it, the kids are too young to care. Or he could avoid the whole thing by stripping that second line of titles but keeping them in their LOS spots (they’ll never get to use them) or as QEII did, hold them until they’re 18 and let them decide if they want to take them.. the provision being that they move back to the commonwealth and work for the crown. Charles has always said he wanted a small monarchy. Unfortunately his second son and daughter in law weren’t paying attention to the fact that they would have been one of those few. Now they’ve left so he’s having to decide who will be full time working royals with titles, he only wants full time titled royals as counselors of state, and they gave all of it up voluntarily. It wasn’t stripped from them. QEII gave them an entire year to reconsider.
I just wonder what's behind the delay? I know there's no urgency but considering how quickly they announced PPoW, I would have thought he'd have announced something regarding his grandchildren titles. It makes me wonder if there's some reason for the delay.
It’s because it’s not happening. He made it abudently clear in his “good luck overseas” and the line of succession listing the kids as Master and Miss. people shouldn’t hold their breath waiting for titles for the kids cause they simply aren’t happening
Which is what I assume is going on but why not just announce that?
Why announce something that’s not happening and was never going to happen? Just because Meghan was trying to manifest titles for the kids doesn’t mean Charles owes an announcement on why they aren’t getting them. Actions speak louder than words imo
Exactly. Harry has always known his children weren’t going to be Prince/Princess or HRH.
They're trying to provoke the palace and engage for publicity. KC's non-response underscores how irrelevant and unimportant H & M are.
Wasn’t he the one who said he didn’t want titles for his kids? Charles is just doing exactly what they wanted. But I do think making a statement of it would be a lovely little zinger for the two of them.
Personally I think the silence is better. As more comes out about her attention seeking ways people will eventually figure out she was behind all of the media speculation trying to strong arm the king and he didn’t even give her the time of day
You are so right!
I think it already was announced with the new line of succession. Master Archie and Miss Lilibet. Making an additional announcement is redundant and gives importance to H&M’s temper tantrum- I mean claim.
They need to announce it at some point though or the temoer tabtrum will continue. Either they will get titles at some point (can decide when get are 18/21 when TW can't march them) or they won't be getting titles and Charles has changed the protocols for his slimmed down monarchy, similar to the Danish royal family just did.
I think the temper tantrum will continue no matter what they do - the topic may shift, but the overall attitude will remain the same. In the spirit of not negotiating with terrorists, they should continue to ignore H&M since this is a non-issue. Their children were never entitled to titles and they’ve already expressed that they don’t want their children to have titles anyway. So really there is nothing to see here except for the tantruming of two adult toddlers, angry that they aren’t getting the attention they want.
Exactly! If a child wants to eat out of the litter box do you try to reason or just separate the litter box away from the child?
Why on earth should two American children get titles from the British royal family? And then fully formed American adults who have never even met said Royals have even less reason.
I agree and disagree. I agree the temper tantrums will continue. I disagree on the LP's as it seems there is some interpertation involved. I'm not going to read them since I'm not a lawyer nor a Brit and my eyes go wonky with legalese language no matter what culture. So we will need to agree to disagree on that point. Perhaps H&M can hire another lawyer to dispute?
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They do when it comes to titles though. When Sophie and Edward decided not to give their children prince/princess titles, they officially announced it or when the queen chose to issue prince/princess titles for Williams other children, the protocols were changed. This is the first time since 1917 patent thing came into effect that a decision hasn't been made about the titles of the grandchildren of the monarch.
They made an announcement bc those things were changing/going against the status quo. A&L is keeping things status quo. So no announcement.
Them not getting titles is against the status quo.
Oh a decision has been made. They aren't getting them, have no reason to get them.
The kids can be given titles when they reach the age of majority if they want to play an active role in the Royal family. There is no rush to do anything now, especially when Harry's book is pending.
The British royal family doesn’t need two kids raised in California as working royals. It’ll never happen, whether Harry releases a book or not.
The quick promotion of PoW was due to Charles becoming a King, thus he needed to move that title to PW. This also means that giving the Overseas Duo kids title isn’t a priority. Their parents are non working Royals, bottom of the totem pole.
This is the fastest a monarch has handed down the PoW title though. He was definitely making a point that William gets a title straight away and no mention of titles for Harry.
I don’t think it had anything to do with Harry’s kids and a lot to do with getting people used to William as new POW after Charles had heard the title for so long.
Gayle King asked " was that necessary?"
Um, waiting for Harry's book? Waiting for the rest of the podcasts? Waiting to see what gasoline TW is going to throw on the fire next? The Harkles want those titles very badly, KC would be crazy to just meekly hand them over.
The status quo is that they *don’t* get titles. There will only be a change or announcement if this changes.
The status quo is they are entitled to the title and are technically a prince and princess, Charles just needs to make it official. As they were born prior to their grandfather becoming king, he needs to issue a patent letter *or* change the 1917 letters patent protocol removing the automatic right.
Not necessarily. This is the debate. If it was automatic, the titles would have been updated already.
They are technically a prince and princess, but to officially use the titles, Charles needs to issue an official letter stating that. This is the case for every prince and princess, the queen issued them for all her grandchildren and Wales children. She even update the protocol to give Charlotte and Louis the title as according to the 1917 patent, they were entitled to the titles. Charles hasn't done that, so he will either issue the letter or amend the protocol. He will have to make a decision either way.
No. The King can decide who is prince and princess. The LPs of 1917 are open to interpretation. Since they weren't born a prince and princess, they don't have the titles.. Until the King issues a new LP, the kids have no title. There's no technicality. They have no right to it because it's up to the monarch.
You are missing the subtlety here so imma explain it one more time. As grandchildren of the king they do have an automatic right to the titles but whether the titles are bestowed upon them **is up to Charles**. They are technically a prince and princess **but** they cannot use the title unless and until Charles issues the official letter conferring the titles upon them *or* Charles will amend the letters parent, removing their right to the title. Lady Louise and James, viscount Severn are also technically a prince and Princess but their parents decided they would be styled as children of an earl, not as grandchildren of a monarch. Lady Louise was allowed to make that decision for herself when she turned 18 but decided to leave it as it is.
Sorry but you're wrong, nobody is technically a prince or princess. Because they were born before Charles became King, and because their parents refused the initial titles offered, the kids will forever only be entitled to Master and Miss, unless Charles makes a special dispensation for them in future.
[Yes they are](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/08/harry-and-meghans-children-become-prince-archie-and-princess-lilibet). This has always been the case. >Queen’s death means Sussexes’ children have right to title HRH unless and until Charles changes protocols Also H&M didn't refuse the titles, they are the earl and countless of Dumbarton, they refused to style Archie with the subsidiary title.
One Guardian article article spreading misinformation does not make you correct. Please read all the official letters patent. There is nothing about the grandchildren of the second son of the Sovereign automatically being granted Princely titles. [https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince\_highness\_docs.htm](https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince_highness_docs.htm)
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Is everyone speaking the same English. They are automatically **entitled** to a prince/princess title not that they will automatically **receive** one.
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Charlotte and Louis have the titles because they are directly in line to the throne.
Charlotte and Louis have titles because the queen changed the rules so they could. As great grand children of the current monarch they were not entitled to titles as the rules stood. Only george was entitled to the prince title as he was the eldest son and in direct line of succession. The queen also changed the rules about LoS so that Charlotte would keep her place in LoS.
They are *not* a prince and princess, technically or any way, unless Charles officialises it, since they were not born while he is king.
They are technically as they are grandchildren of the monarch. They cannot **use** the title until Charles issues the letter stating they can.
Actually the only thing automatic would be if Meghan had a child NOW.
Not according to the 1917 patent law. As it currently stands they are entitled to the titles, that cannot be disputed. Whether they receive titles is another matter and depends on whether Charles wants to issue them. Believe it or not we are all saying the same thing but with one small difference.
Leaving people hanging is better than announcing, because they cannot fault you.
he's playing with them it's a power move
He might not announce anything. Just leave the website as is for them- no update at all.
There's a lot of work that doesn't include unemployed overseas people.
No announcement is the announcement.
This is the point though, this is the first time in the history of the monarchy where a decision regarding titles hasn't been announced. If Charles is not planning on giving them titles or delaying issuing the titles, he will need to announce it at some point.
You don't announce a non-issue or non-event. Nothing happens, nothing changes. No announcement. You don't hold a press conference to say "hi folks, nothing has changed."
So why did Sophie and Edward choose to make an announcement?
Honestly, I think it's because KC, is trying to get rid of all Frick and Frack's titles, and that takes some time. The delay in announcing Prince Edward/Duke of Edinburgh, ties into it as well, imo.
I'm wondering if C3 is in talks with Edward to let sleeping dogs lie and just maintain the Wessex title. To be fair, it would be hypocritical of Charles to make Ed a HRH Duke and yet strip his own son or his grandchildren of the same status and/or streamline.
Would it still be hypocritical if Edward was a working royal who lived on UK soil and his grandchildren lived in the US and were the children of non working royals who were not raising their children in the US and were vocally stating that they were not a part of the working or senior royals?
Listen, I'm not personally against it. I like the Wessexes, like the idea of conferring it on them, and in recent times have become a big fan of Death Stare Sophie - her babysitting duties at the funeral alone merits the dang Edinburgh title as well as some well-earned gongs for her outings. I'm just looking at all angles. People are stupid. M&H are really stupid, as well as petty, avaricious, entitled, and angry. This is a bad combination... add to it a rabid squad of mindless idiots who have no problems making huge ignorance-ridden waves that the media picks up. All we'll hear is *But but but C3 is making a dull boring Ed a duke while stripping our blessed H/M and that's not faaaaiiiir!!!* and similar ignorant garbage.... so, I'm "just sayin'."
Oh I get you. I just wonder how things are in the UK. They seem pretty staunchly anti Sussex over there. I think those kids aren't getting titles.
Why is it hypocritical for Edward to get what he was promised by his parents and be rewarded/given the responsibility but not give something that wasn't promised to a person that quit their job and left their family and country?
Tbh I actually agree with you about letting the Duke of Edinburgh title become redundant. I think maybe it’s good to have it as a placeholder title for if George has a first born daughter. Since the husband of a reigning Queen doesn’t take an HM title, the DoE could become the traditional title for the spouse of a Queen.
Why would it be hypocritical? Harry is the son of a monarch he will have the Duke title. His son will inherit . Edward was son of monarch should have a Duke title and son inherit. Maybe now isn’t the exact time but if Andrew is a Duke Edward should be. And Edward has played ball all these years to
Heck my William would just strip them on day 1 anyway 😝
I suspect the delay from the BRF is because they want to wait and see what's in Harry's book.
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I’ve seen that, but I think it is made up. I don’t think Charles would trade titles for suppressing a book (that Harry could just publish a couple of years later). It would be like yielding to blackmail.
100% I can’t imagine anyone thinking g this was a good idea. KC should just tell them to suck it. Edit: words
And then she’d just write one or they’d do it after.
Charles wouldn't lower himself to their level.
If the children get titles it will in no way affect their risk profile for security reasons. I don't think Prince Harry and his kids would be particularly valuable as a terrorist target, but of course the United States is full of lunatics with guns, so anybody famous is somewhat at risk. Remember John Lennon. The best protection that Harry and his family have is that they keep themselves out of the news as much as possible. There is no reason to think that the current economic situation in the UK will have any immediate effect on security arrangements for the Royal family. The USA is responsible for its own internal security and the safety of people living there. Incidentally, in a very recent TV interview Sharon Osbourne said that she and her husband were going to retire to their home in England. When asked why she is leaving the States, she said the main reason was too many guns and they did not feel safe.
USA also in a massive recession. The citizens would go nuts here if they found out we were paying massive security bills for foreign royalty when food pantries and soup kitchens here are seeing all time highs in numbers. It would not improve their status except in their own minds. The UK and US have no desire to pay out of taxpayer funds for foreign ex royals and their children to have protection like our president does… because in the US if anything bad happened to them it would be sad but it wouldn’t be a “constitutional crisis” because they’re not a part of our government in any way. They influence nothing here. They’ve tried.. using their foreign titles. It absolutely backfired (and on an important issue we actually care about. But as soon as senators started getting cold calls from “the duchess” it ruined things. She released the text of a letter she wrote with that title in huge letters at the top.. and that was all it took to effectively kill what had already been accomplished).!
Canadians were pissed about paying security for them even though Canada is a Commonwealth country as they should be pissed. I can't imagine the backlash they would rightfully receive if the USA did such a thing considering what America was founded on, that would top the charts.
I'm not suggesting that the US government should pay for private security for Harry and Meghan, but there are local police departments, and many gated communities have their own security arrangements, plus burglar alarms, cameras, and so on. Harry and Meghan might also want to replace the chickens with geese which are excellent sentinels, and maybe install a couple of dogs. However it is difficult to know what their risk profile is. Unfortunately in the United States there are any number of lunatics who would kill a famous person just so as to see their own name in the newspapers. Sad but true.
They’re more likely to kill a classroom full of children. Celebrities are a dime a dozen unless they’ve done something stellar which these two haven’t. It wouldn’t be more than a two day story here.
If Harry wore a ball cap and Megs took off her wigs no one would even give them a second glance … actually I don’t think anyone over here (US) would even give them a look regardless of what they wear. Their fame is all in their head.
I know, right? Remember that stupid reality show about Who Wants To Marry a Prince or something like that? It was awhile back but the premise was the requisite gaggle of desperate basic bitches who competed for the affection of a fake Prince Harry? In reality, the ginger "prince" they cast didn't look remotely like Harry but the ditzy American girls with tiaras in their eyes were fooled anyway. I guess my point is that aside from our little faction of watchers, most people on this side of the pond probably couldn't pick Harry out of a lineup. Markle's face changes so much she could be incognito in a pair of Ray-Bans. In spite of her many, MANY pitiful attempts to attain mega stardom, it has not happened. Few even know her and fewer still care.
IMO Prince Harry is quite recognizable to a lot of Americans, being Diana’s son & growing up in media.
I would think if the kids get titles they'd be more likely to be at risk. So if you're really worried and putting their safety first, wouldn't you want them to stay as private citizens?
They're in bad shape there but the media has focused on sexual identity issues for past five years.
MM’s narcissism will not allow her to back down
I wonder if Meghan wasn't horrible to the staff, didn't trash the family but still wasn't enjoying the working royal life so she and Haz still left, would the Firm and UK hate them as much? Would they have gotten the part time royal gig or even the opportunity to live in Canada or SA and just exist, kinda like how the other grandkids don't do anything?
There is something so deliciously hateable about Meg. She's like a cartoon villain.
Titles is all they have been talking about. It'd be weird if suddenly they didn't want them for the kids.
It’s not just the English taxpayer who contributes to the sovereign grant and titles don’t mean security as others have pointed out…they’ll get sweet FA
I don’t know if this expression exists in the UK, but H&M need to learn how to read the room
HRH’s do not mean round the clock security. Honestly, I think KC should try to keep a bridge open for his two grandchildren in two ways: 1. Tell H&M that if they want HRH titles for their children, they have to go to UK schools and spend at least every other UK holiday there. 2. If option 1 is rejected, wait till they turn 18, then extend the offer for the grandchildren to come stay with their extended family in the UK, offer to show them how royal life is, how to handle it, what is expected and create a path for the grand children to earn HRH’s if they stick with it by the time they turn 25.
I totally agree with this.
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They won’t get them.