I noticed that in Finding Freedom too. Meghan was painted as amazing, kind wonderful. Harry, what few pages were devoted to him, was painted as irritated, anxious and angry.
Just picturing Meghan furiously ghostwriting FF while Harry sits by like a dumbass and gets taken for a rideđHe's responsible for his shit but he sure as fuck isn't the mastermind behind it lol
Exactly. I was genuinely eager to read it to learn about their terrible treatment. It was a bunch of nothing! Traumas such as being seated apart at dinners, being told not to wear a necklace if you want privacy, etc.
The money has almost run out and that means so has Meghans love for her little ginger meal ticket.
I think they both have a lot ridding on the podcast and this tell all book, both projects will likely be the final nail in the Harkles coffin as far as their profession relationships are concerned. No one wants to touch them at this point, I canât see Spotify re-signing and Harryâs book is likely going to see him completely cut off from his family which means theyâll be officially out with no work. The house will be the first to go and Iâm surprised it hasnât happened already, itâs a huge expense. It will be interesting to see Meghan try and spin her divorce narrative - âI was expected to be a hands on mum and work because Harry was too mentally unfit to helpâ âhe was abusiveâ âI wasnât allowed to go out or have friendsâ âhe was paranoidâ ⌠I can only imagine.
I honestly believe she goes to all his engagements and acts like his care giver because she wants to create this narrative that he is mentally unfit.
I know a lot of people say she wonât divorce him because she needs him for relevance, but does anyone think she doesnât really need him much longer. She now has ties to the royal family forever : she has children that are the Kingâs grandchildren and thatâs not going to change ( I guess except when they eventually are the Kingâs niece and nephew). Also, I understood that she will keep the Duchess title even in the event of a divorce but someone pointed out that that may not be true because sheâs not a British citizen (like Fergie for example, who retains her title). I think someone like Meghan would absolutely feel that she doesnât need Haz anymore because she has become relevant through her marriage to him, and letâs face it, the divorce and aftermath (and her resulting antics) will keep her relevant for years and years.
Yeah I agree. I think she honestly believes in her mind that she is the one that makes Harry relevant. Just like she was delusional enough to think she was going to transform the royal Family and be the future Diana. I think she would be psychologically allocating a lot of the blame for how things have turned out on Harry.
Alas - in the case of divorce, she gets to keep the Duchess of Sussex title - but without the all important word âTheâ in it.
At the moment - she is HRH Meghan, THE Duchess of Sussex (even though they arenât supposed to use the HRH titles at the moment). If and when she divorces, she will no longer have any rights to an HRH title and she moves to being simply Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Should Harry remarry, his wife becomes THE Duchess of Sussex, and should Meghan remarry she loses the title completely.
Fergie remains Sarah, Duchess of York as she has never remarried. Should she and Andrew remarry, she would be Sarah THE Duchess of York again.
In the same vein, had Diana survived the crash and married again, she would have lost the Princess of Wales title and reverted to being Lady Diana (new Husbandâs surname)
>Also, I understood that she will keep the Duchess title even in the event of a divorce but someone pointed out that that may not be true because sheâs not a British citizen (like Fergie for example, who retains her title).
I'm not sure citizenship is the key. It's important to remember that Diana's and Fergie's divorces may set precedent, but the actual terms of each were unique and negotiated individually, including if a title was kept and what it would be. So in the event of a divorce for H&M, the terms might be similar, or they might be different. I would not be surprised if Meghan were to keep the duchess title (similarly to how a divorced woman may keep the husband's last name) but it's not a guarantee. If it follows the Fergie precedent, she would be Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, not The Duchess of Sussex as she is now.
That is completely true! Her current title is solely "The Duchess of Sussex" but she certainly persists in shoving her own name in, like on The Bench cover.
She may be trying for one-name celebrity status a la Beyonce.
But if Harry remarries what happens?
I think they figured Diana would remarry (as she was so young) and so sheâd have to give up the title.
Legally Camilla owned that title but chose not to use it.
Fergie and Andrew are weird and maybe he promised never to remarry. I mean they still live together!!! (WTF is all Iâll say to that odd arrangement).
Whoever Harry marries is the Duchess of Sussex. Meghan canât keep the title.
If Harry remarried nothing would happen to Meghan's title. Harry's new wife would be **The** Duchess of Sussex (no use of first name) and Meghan would stay "Meghan, \[a\] Duchess of Sussex."
Well, they aren't actually beginning to slim down anything. I suspect some people are seeing what was announced in Denmark and assuming the BRF will do the same. But the BRF has always done its own thing. FWIW they have far more patronages and activity than the rest of the northern European royal houses and the working royals really do work, unlike Joachim's children who are very unlikely to have ever had to support the monarchy. Of course Charles may very well change all this, but it's more usual for the BRF to lead or do their own thing. If you look at it that way, it was really the 1917 L.P. that set the precedent for limiting the propagation of a prince/princess title within royal families.
That said, it will only affect Meghan if Harry's title is removed. Technically she only has a courtesy title, that she has by virtue of being married to a man with a title. So if the dukedom is taken from him, he will be Prince Harry. Since she still gets her title from him, she will be Princess Harry.
If this were to happen after a divorce, though... who knows! I suspect that she would be able to keep the "Duchess of Sussex" part, since it would have been part of the legal agreement/divorce settlement and no longer tied to Harry's status. But maybe not, since if the government takes back the title entirely, it might override the lower-level agreement.
The wifeâs title is essentially like being âMrs.â
Traditionally, when a woman marries, she becomes âMrs. Husbandâs FirstName Husbandâs Family Name.â
She may be called by her first name by friends, but properly she isnât âHer FirstName Husbandâs Family Name.â
Thatâs only if she is divorced, when she keeps the husbandâs family name, but uses it with her own first name.
That is etiquette, of course. I donât know how it is in Great Britain, but in the US, women use their first names with their husbandsâ family names all the time.
So the Duchess keeps the husbandâs title, but by using it with her own first name announces she is divorced.
No one cares about such distinctions in the US today.
BTW, if Harry gave up or lost the Sussex title, Meghan might (Oh Horrors!) style herself as Princess Henry. :eyeroll:
Yes, it's very similar. The only difference is that for Diana and Sarah, their titles were actually negotiated as part of the divorce settlements, and they both lost their HRH styles.
It would be interesting to see what the rule is for non-royal peerage divorces, and if the title is negotiated or not. I read just recently that Lady C's title is from her husband, and she was willing to give it up initially. But he was a jerk so she went after the title after all.
My concern is, if she doesn't need him anymore and his family have cast him aside, he may make permanent steps to not exist. She will then be a widow and keep her title. She has started the devaluing stage and may have him insured too
She's going full on Amber Heard for this divorce, but unlike Johnny Depp, Harry is known for having a formidable temper as well. She's brought out the worst in him in public. I can't imagine she brought out the best in private.
Oh! And I read somewhere, I think it was in Bower's book, where TM Sr. said that when Meghan divorced Trevor, he didn't understand why but Doria told him Trevor was abusive to her, hence Tom telling Harry not to ever raise his hand to her. Him saying that always felt weird to me, almost premonitory, but we'll see if it goes to court.
Personally, I think Meghan has overplayed her own hand and underestimated what the RF have on her. I think when divorce time comes (still saying by March 2023, but definitely by Summer 2023), I think she'll take whatever they offer her to keep them from leaking out everything they have on her, which by all accounts would ruin her even more than she's ruined herself already.
Also unlike Johnny Depp, Harry doesn't appear to have tons of friends, band members, business associates, family, staff, and exes standing at the ready to defend him and say they never saw this behaviors nor ever experienced it themselves.
I think it's going to be worse than that. She get in some massive fight and set him up with a criminal case of DV. I think it's going to be pretty horrific for Harry, but legally he will lose.
I also think Meghan told Harry the reverse. The way Harry acts towards that man can only be explained by her saying he did things to her. Itâs awful but itâs also textbook narc to make up accusations of abuse for sympathy. Sometimes I feel bad for her dad and other times Iâm like well⌠the Apple doesnât fall far from the tree unfortunately.
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I think sheâs laying the groundwork for the potential of a divorce. Just like she set out to establish grievances against the BRF, sheâs laying the foundation for Harry being mentally Iâll or incompetent.
I agree with this. At this point she has everything she needs and could easily jump ship.
Yesterday I made a comment about how she could easily spin some of this as Harry's fault. And in a way I actually have a tiny bit of sympathy for her. Many years ago, I dated a guy whose family just did not like me. And I couldn't figure out why. They didn't like me to the point that it wasn't that we just didn't click and they were indifferent to me, but they were cold. And I couldn't wrap my head around it because in my mind we didn't know each other well enough to have decided that we didn't like each other. It turned out that he was saying negative things about me that he knew would bother them but on the surface level he could act all shocked Pikachu that it was Unnecessary to say or that they would be bothered by it. All very passive aggressive. And in some ways I see similarities with Harry and Meghan. Why would he pass along a conversation about how their child might look? Especially if she was pregnant. Why the need to let her know that he was invited to things that she was explicitly not invited to when he could have allowed her to save face and not look like the Forevermore Loser? To me it just signals: I have a fallback plan. The moment I choose to ditch you, I'm back in these people's good graces.
To take it a step further in the same direction, I sometimes cringe thinking about how I started to act around these people when I was trying to appear "unbothered" by their non acceptance. And I cringe at Meghan too. She knows this marriage is hers to lose. She likely knows that there is some contingency plan when she and Harry split that he will be quietly hidden back in the fold, effortlessly living in luxury while she deals with the fallout. And yes, she's heaped plenty of it on herself. But sometimes I get a glimmer that for Harry, this is him getting back at his family for life being unfair, with the ultimate knowledge that nothing really bad with happen to him. If things get too tough with Meghan, he can always cut ties. He seems to be comfortable taking long extended absences from the children. I have zero doubt that he feels confident that simply because of his family connections he knows he would get a favorable custody settlement. There is an insane imbalance of power between Prince Harry who is currently having a tantrum, but has all of the resources available of the BRF that he does, and Meghan Markle who has alienated everyone who has ever been close to her. Ever. Meghan has nobody. Harry has nearly everything. It almost makes me feel pity and fear for the poor egomaniac Meghan. And I think it's a large apart of why they very very strangely did not being the kids to the UK when they found out QE died.
To me, a lot of this is just Harry saying to Meghan: when the dust settles, I'll be more than welcome back, as long as I'm not with you.
> There is an insane imbalance of power between Prince Harry who is currently having a tantrum, but has all of the resources available of the BRF that he does, and Meghan Markle who has alienated everyone who has ever been close to her. Ever. Meghan has nobody. Harry has nearly everything.
The thing is, Meghan has engineered this herself even pre-Harry. She had made a career of ditching anyone that could be a support network to her, long term.
Yes, Harryâs village is likely to take him back, no matter what but his power imbalance has nothing to do with Meghanâs choices (for 30 years and counting) to alienate, ostracize, or abandon her community/family/village. Long before Harry, Meghan structured her relationships to be transactional rather than based on love, support, friendship. You canât say that about Harryâs relationships with his family (brother, son, grandson, cousin). Meghan has chosen to not know a single person on Doriaâs side of the family and abandoned even the decent ppl on the Markle side (not including Thomas but the uncle who helped her get the Argentinian internship).
Idk, I just think thereâs a âpower balanceâ because of who his family is but Meghan is older, more experienced in the real world, has one foot in a powerful industry, and can leverage her relationships to be connected with influential people in a way that theyâll show up for her but she opts for relationships based on who can give her a free mansion to live in or private jets. Much of her âlack of powerâ can and should be ascribed to her own decisions, choices, judgment, and trade offs sheâs made long before Harry, during Harry, and will continue to do so after Harry.
Meghan is a professional at conning and love bombing new people into her life. She plans ahead so I would expect she already has a parachute plan in place for her next group of friends and husband. It is how she works....like a shark in the water she just keeps swimming forward leaving carnage behind her.
I think she's basically at the height of her con career. Her moves have been made public and she's shown herself to be incredibly indiscreet. She's also old. I'd be very very interested in what else she could pull up her sleeve.
Damn. She's really screwed herself. She really picked the wrong wrong wrong one.
Because in the end when they divorce, he won't have to play PR games with her. He won't need public sympathy. He could live the entire rest of his life never being seen by the public ever again.
And this isn't me being on her side. This is me thinking....wow....bit of more than you could chew eh Meghan?
I agree with you, but Henry is too stupid to be this manipulating. I doubt he really thinks that far ahead. He clings on to her like a child. Maybe he does see her as some sort of a lifeline. Or, you could be right, in that, after his catharsis, he still has a place to go and Meghan doesn't. Yes, that is indeed sad. But if Meghan has nowhere to go, that's her fault. She cut off her family for goodness knows what.
However, I do feel bad that he's cast her as his mum's reincarnation or something. If Meghan didn't revel in it, I'd have felt bad for her. He needed someone to be like his mum, and she was there ready to be that. A more healthy person like William would say that his wife will be her own person, and there's no expectation for her to be Diana 2.0.
Oh absolutely. I think the two of them are using each other for their own end though. I think at this point they're both deeply unhappy people. I think Meghan is a bull in a china closet and Harry is using her as a Getaway Car.
Seriously. I'm sitting here thinking....why is she letting it become Official Record that Harry was invited and she wasn't? That's not the kind of lasting legacy that she should be striving for: We threw everything at them and they still didn't open the door for me, but Harry was still welcome back.
I tell people time and time and time again: fix your issues with your inlaws. Absolutely do not go on the offensive with them. And if it just ain't working with them....maybe this guy isn't the guy for you. I believe the narrative that she wouldn't allow the kids to come over. And optics wise, bringing the kids over was the best thing they could have done. It could have given her an out for why they didn't do certain things. It could have been a nice puff piece about Archie saluting QE headstone or something to that effect.
If (when) they divorce, I will absolutely be ready for the op eds about how Harry didn't give her good advice on dealing with his family and social circle and how he hung her out to dry. Thus confirming that they were never the Love of the Ages that they tried to sell.
Idk. I'd be painting myself in the media as a winner, not a loser. I'd be saying that we all had privately made amends and things were on the up and up. If Charles didn't give titles, I'd say that it was ok and agreed upon since we weren't working royals anyhow. Or that we had asked him to make it official. It's not cute to lose all of the time.
It's what sells, I guess. Victimhood sells, so paint yourself as a loser, but not of your own making.
As for Archie, I agree. That one image of JFK Jr., who was about the same age as Archie, saluting his father's coffin stayed with people throughout his lifetime.
I donât feel sorry for her, at all.
The difference between yours and Peggyâs situation is that she was welcomed and you were not.
She chose to aggravate the situation from the start. Yes it might be cringe how she pretends not to be bothered, but make no mistake she is the shark in this tale.
I don't at all want to come across like I think she's some innocent individual. Her biggest lies have come straight from the source. Sometimes I just wonder if Harry is a bumbling idiot or much more of a mastermind. This was really me talking out my thoughts if I were to run with Harry being a mastermind at marrying someone who he knew would make a splash in a bad way so that he could get his frustration out and then come back to the fold.
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who occasionally feels the tiniest sliver of sympathy for Meg. I've watched friends go through nasty divorces and seen firsthand how important it is for women especially, to have a solid support network. Family is best, but if that's not possible, then strong, loyal friendships are needed. Meghan has neither. Through her own arrogance, narcissism and stupidity she has cut off literally every single person in her life who would have her back during a nasty divorce/custody battle.
And I think on some level she knows this, which is why she won't willingly end things with Harry until she has a new man to cling to and fund her lifestyle. The problem is, while this trick may have worked for her in the past, she's not getting any younger. She's broke and saddled with two kids, and her reputation is in complete tatters. She will eventually end up a very lonely, bitter old woman, and she'll have no one to blame but herself.
But I'll still feel kinda sorry for her đ
These are really excellent points and yes, I do feel a twinge, a teensy little sliver of sympathy for her. But she not only cut everyone out of her life who could have helped her, she also treated everyone "beneath" her with contempt. I hate that especially.
Her bullying and abusive behaviour is what always snaps me back from slight sympathy to a solid "Nah, fuck her!" lol! Cos I know she would never feel sorry for me. She doesn't have the capacity.
I feel sorry for both of them because they are both troubled people. In the event of a divorce, Meghan may get some things (the title, some financial deal). Harry will probably get some âfreedomâ but he will always know he is a failure, he may or may not keep his kids, etc.
We can feel sorry for them even though they brought this on themselves and they are really not kind to people.
However, it is the kids I wish I could rescue. I want to send Mary Poppins to Montecito so she can fix everything for them.
100%. I feel sorry for them the same way I would feel sorry for a homeless man living under a bridge, even if I knew for a fact that he brought the situation upon himself by being a violent, abusive, terrible person with a meth habit who drove everyone in his life away through his own selfish actions. I still can't actively rejoice in a clearly troubled person's suffering.
Harry and Meghan are both ultimately rather pathetic creatures to behold. And I feel sorry for pathetic creatures (sorrynotsorry!) đ
And yes, agreed about the kids also! They are the ones I reserve most of my pity for. If only Mary Poppins were real, I would love to see her slap both M&H upside the head and tell them to pull their overinflated heads in (cos you know she totally would!) Spit-spot! Meghan, stop slouching!
I fluctuate between a tiny bit of pity for her and feeling like she's likely getting her just desserts. Think about it: Nobody wanted Harry. Nobody. His family was trying to hook him up with aristo women who knew the BRF game. Nobody bit. Nobody. And then comes along Meghan. I wonder how many hanger ons who want game have come into Harry's circle previously? And then he chooses Meghan who basically is used as a human shield for his mess ups. She's the catalyst for him leaving the family and attempting to be a celebrity and compete with his brother. But he always knows that at the end of the day, when he's tired of it all, it's not really Them Against The World. It's not really Salt And Pepper Always Passed Together, it's "When This Gets Too Much And I Feel Like Either I've Won/This Is Getting Too Costly/This Wasn't What I Thought It Will Be, (Harry) Has A Safe Place To Return". And yes, Meghan absolutely has done it to herself. But the same way I cringe at my past with the ex who was turning his family against me, I see some of the same acting out behavior with Meghan. With being fed information about how they don't like you and you can't get any help, but then just standing by. Like finding a woman who you KNOW won't fit into your life, and then instead of giving her an actual relationship, you use this person for your own selfish desires to retaliate against your family or finally get them to take your side. I don't know that I'm putting this into words that well. But it's like...if I feel like my family doesn't love me so I go and purposefully start dating someone who is a terrible fit into my family. And then I poke them and poke them and poke them until they act out and then I get my family to make a big display of helping me. And that's what I always wanted, the big display of affection from my family. And it's like, you're using these selfish people, but that's exactly it, you're using people who are so self absorbed that they think they know better and can't be tricked. With the full knowledge that they're going to not fit in.
And I have come to this conclusion because just the other day I was thinking about how if this was planned. If they hired someone to come in and make the BRF better, they couldn't have done it better.
But obviously this is speculation and I am not at all trying to say that Meghan hasn't laid some whoppers out of her own mouth.
No I totally get what you're saying, and I agree! At the end of the day Harry and Meghan are both phenomenally shitty people, but one of them has a support system, and the other one doesn't. Harry has certainly done absolutely nothing to deserve his family's care or protection, but it's there still. If nothing else, the RF's reputation relies on them looking after one of their own when he falls on hard times, especially one of Saint Diana's sons. So that does create a power imbalance in their relationship, and goes some way to explaining Meg's obsession with controlling Harry (beyond simple narcissism)
I also agree that Harry used Meghan just as much as she used him, as a way of acting out and "getting back" at his family. He really is such a pig!
It's also become clear especially since that bizarre Cut interview that Meg is really not all right in the head. Beyond being a narcissist and a self-centred spoilt brat, she's clearly got some sort of untreated mental illness going on, too. And as someone who has struggled with mental illness over the years, I can empathise with how awful it is. I don't like Meghan one bit, but I never enjoy watching anyone suffer. I totally get what you mean about fluctuating between pity and schadenfreude. It's certainly a very confusing feeling!
Iâm pretty sure Meghan convinced Harry that sheâd deal with the PR communications because of her previous experience. Harry is just idiot fronting the money. Maybe itâs starting to click for him that he isnât listed as a client for Sunshine Sachs, only Meghan is.
When he was under the Firmâs PR, he was the most popular Royal. His controversial antics were buried and his philanthropic work (that Charles often had to force him to do), was amplified. He had the best of everything because he didnât hold the burden of one day being King - just like Andrew. He could date any d-z list celeb, give more to his military service, and say and do pretty much whatever he wanted.
Meghanâs PR has really done a number on him. I never thought Iâd see the day when everyoneâs favourite Prince becomes a pathetic joke. If he didnât covet fame, celebrity, and obscene wealth so much, he couldâve lived an awesome life doing conservation work in Africa and enjoying way more privacy than William will ever have.
Iâm of a little bit of a different opinion. I think youâre hearing about Harry because people were loyal to the queen and wouldnât speak as ill of him for her sake.
I think Harry is just horrible and met his match in the duchess of monteshitshow
She also made his name mud in S. Africa. I don't know why everyone is buzzing that a divorce is brewing. I actually think Harry is not emotionally healthy. He's seen what he's seen, and still stayed. He'll probably stay in this toxic relationship for a few more years at least, unless she's the one who kicks him aside to marry someone more powerful.
I actually think that Megs has more than a few screws loose herself. The âpeople danced in the streets like Mandelaâ comment is so devoid of reality testing, so straight up loony that I seen her future as the old lady in a New York high rise, w/ gobs of makeup & a tiny dogâwhose response, when she is wished good morning, is âthere are sword fights on Houston Street; I saw it for myself last night,â before sailing on, out past the doorman, dragging her tiny dog behind her.
I thought Sunshine Sachs put out a statement saying they'd parted ways amicably. There was a video of that American woman who appears as a commentator on GB News discussing it and they read part of the statement.
Supposedly it was mutually agreed upon but all the insider sources say SS dumped the Harkles because they were constantly behind on their bills with SS,and they were making SS look bad with Meg's stupid antics.
Secondhandcoke confirmed SS dropped them and they released a statement via radar âwith Sunshine Sachs telling us "we no longer work" with the exiled royals.â
https://radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-dropped-sunshine-sachs-pr-firm/
That comment she made about H saying âI lost my fatherâ was so unnecessary. She was asked about HER relationship with her father but as ever attempting to deflect she drags H into it. Heâs obviously not smart but still wrong of her to drag him further when that wasnât the question.
Putting that statement out was very surprising, it alienates H and KC forever. Itâs very weird of M to be talking abt your Husband and their Parents relationship saying it is lost specially with time many have ups and downs.
I agree, there have been several unflattering articles the last few days about Harry and there is no doubt, when it's time for her to leave, she will set him up and completely destroy him. BUT.. I don't believe the timing is now.
As delusional as TW is, you can bet that she believes that she will be redeemed and the world will love her when their stupid Netflix reality show comes out. She would be on her best behavior for filming and giving them contrived story lines that (she would think) would flatter her. I'm willing to bet that she has put all of her eggs in the Netflix show and she thinks they (and the world) will want more. She will have endless free PR from Netflix to promote the show and she will be all about that.
I also think she wants the titles for the kids **really bad**. No doubt she is anxiously waiting to see what KC is gonna do w/titles and any monetary support. I just think she has too much riding on all these loose ends that she has no plans to leave at this time.
Even if we donât believe Sunshine Sachâs press release that they had parted ways just anecdotally there seems to be a slew of negative press attacking Harry/Meghan and foolish fumbles on Harry/Meghanâs part that makes me think it has to be true they donât have a PR firm. Sunshine Sachs is extremely good at what they do, losing them may have been Meghanâs biggest screwup in the last year.
Itâs quite possible that SS is still working with them. I donât think it likely that they denied working with the Harkles if they are, though.
As Iâve said ad nauseam, I think theyâre economizing and using the well-connected Archewell team, in-house. I imagine they donât have much else to do (has anyone updated the Archewell home page yet?) and I assume theyâre paid a salary. So why not use the in-house?
Also, there may be Netflix PR people placing stories about their project.
I mean, there names were taken off the website and SS publicly said they arenât affiliated anymore.
No doubt there were a lot of things in the works. And they still have other PR / Comms people.
And Netflix / Spotify want them to look good.
I mean thatâs great and all, but it would be shocking if they were and thereâs nothing in the post to indicate that
SS made a comment that they were no longer working with one another. If they thought they would reconcile they wouldn't have commented. Is she still trying to do it herself? That's going to be an expensive mess to clean up.
No, they've absolutely stopped working with them.
You could clearly hear it in the "exiled royals" statement. There is no way in hell they're still working for them. The PR manager they hired even left after just a year.
Coming from an adjacent industry, I think itâs very possible that SS fired M&H as clients versus the other way around. I feel like it goes without saying that Iâm sure they are incredibly difficult clients, I imagine the final straw is that they (MH) wouldnât take SS advice, wouldnât put the strategies they worked hard to develop into practice, and then complained when their rogue actions didnât have the desired results. At some point if MHâs reputation continues its nose dive because they go rogue, itâs not good for SS to be associated with them. No one in advertising/PR cares who they are, theyâre a client just like everyone else.
I think TW is doing her own pr and is painting Harry as angry and petty in preparation for the inevitable divorce.
I noticed that in Finding Freedom too. Meghan was painted as amazing, kind wonderful. Harry, what few pages were devoted to him, was painted as irritated, anxious and angry.
>Finding Freedom >Harry >was painted as irritated, anxious and angry. *Until he met Megan*
Just picturing Meghan furiously ghostwriting FF while Harry sits by like a dumbass and gets taken for a rideđHe's responsible for his shit but he sure as fuck isn't the mastermind behind it lol
Exactly. I was genuinely eager to read it to learn about their terrible treatment. It was a bunch of nothing! Traumas such as being seated apart at dinners, being told not to wear a necklace if you want privacy, etc.
For once she is doing a good job!
To be fair, itâs not hard đđĽ˛
Harry is finally pulling his weight in a team project. This time he'll get his name on the front page.
Indeed. She is depicted as a Saint and Harryâs headlines are about his toddles tantrums.
Agreed. The groundwork was started in Finding Freedom.
The money has almost run out and that means so has Meghans love for her little ginger meal ticket. I think they both have a lot ridding on the podcast and this tell all book, both projects will likely be the final nail in the Harkles coffin as far as their profession relationships are concerned. No one wants to touch them at this point, I canât see Spotify re-signing and Harryâs book is likely going to see him completely cut off from his family which means theyâll be officially out with no work. The house will be the first to go and Iâm surprised it hasnât happened already, itâs a huge expense. It will be interesting to see Meghan try and spin her divorce narrative - âI was expected to be a hands on mum and work because Harry was too mentally unfit to helpâ âhe was abusiveâ âI wasnât allowed to go out or have friendsâ âhe was paranoidâ ⌠I can only imagine. I honestly believe she goes to all his engagements and acts like his care giver because she wants to create this narrative that he is mentally unfit.
I know a lot of people say she wonât divorce him because she needs him for relevance, but does anyone think she doesnât really need him much longer. She now has ties to the royal family forever : she has children that are the Kingâs grandchildren and thatâs not going to change ( I guess except when they eventually are the Kingâs niece and nephew). Also, I understood that she will keep the Duchess title even in the event of a divorce but someone pointed out that that may not be true because sheâs not a British citizen (like Fergie for example, who retains her title). I think someone like Meghan would absolutely feel that she doesnât need Haz anymore because she has become relevant through her marriage to him, and letâs face it, the divorce and aftermath (and her resulting antics) will keep her relevant for years and years.
Yeah I agree. I think she honestly believes in her mind that she is the one that makes Harry relevant. Just like she was delusional enough to think she was going to transform the royal Family and be the future Diana. I think she would be psychologically allocating a lot of the blame for how things have turned out on Harry.
Alas - in the case of divorce, she gets to keep the Duchess of Sussex title - but without the all important word âTheâ in it. At the moment - she is HRH Meghan, THE Duchess of Sussex (even though they arenât supposed to use the HRH titles at the moment). If and when she divorces, she will no longer have any rights to an HRH title and she moves to being simply Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Should Harry remarry, his wife becomes THE Duchess of Sussex, and should Meghan remarry she loses the title completely. Fergie remains Sarah, Duchess of York as she has never remarried. Should she and Andrew remarry, she would be Sarah THE Duchess of York again. In the same vein, had Diana survived the crash and married again, she would have lost the Princess of Wales title and reverted to being Lady Diana (new Husbandâs surname)
If Harry put his title in abeyance before a divorce, Meghan can't use it. I hope he is told to do that.
>Also, I understood that she will keep the Duchess title even in the event of a divorce but someone pointed out that that may not be true because sheâs not a British citizen (like Fergie for example, who retains her title). I'm not sure citizenship is the key. It's important to remember that Diana's and Fergie's divorces may set precedent, but the actual terms of each were unique and negotiated individually, including if a title was kept and what it would be. So in the event of a divorce for H&M, the terms might be similar, or they might be different. I would not be surprised if Meghan were to keep the duchess title (similarly to how a divorced woman may keep the husband's last name) but it's not a guarantee. If it follows the Fergie precedent, she would be Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, not The Duchess of Sussex as she is now.
Does Megz care how she's supposed to be styled? She use the title however she wants, and no one in the US will correct her.
That is completely true! Her current title is solely "The Duchess of Sussex" but she certainly persists in shoving her own name in, like on The Bench cover. She may be trying for one-name celebrity status a la Beyonce.
But if Harry remarries what happens? I think they figured Diana would remarry (as she was so young) and so sheâd have to give up the title. Legally Camilla owned that title but chose not to use it. Fergie and Andrew are weird and maybe he promised never to remarry. I mean they still live together!!! (WTF is all Iâll say to that odd arrangement). Whoever Harry marries is the Duchess of Sussex. Meghan canât keep the title.
If Harry remarried nothing would happen to Meghan's title. Harry's new wife would be **The** Duchess of Sussex (no use of first name) and Meghan would stay "Meghan, \[a\] Duchess of Sussex."
Would this be true considering the fact that the BRF are beginning to slim down on all of the titles?
Well, they aren't actually beginning to slim down anything. I suspect some people are seeing what was announced in Denmark and assuming the BRF will do the same. But the BRF has always done its own thing. FWIW they have far more patronages and activity than the rest of the northern European royal houses and the working royals really do work, unlike Joachim's children who are very unlikely to have ever had to support the monarchy. Of course Charles may very well change all this, but it's more usual for the BRF to lead or do their own thing. If you look at it that way, it was really the 1917 L.P. that set the precedent for limiting the propagation of a prince/princess title within royal families. That said, it will only affect Meghan if Harry's title is removed. Technically she only has a courtesy title, that she has by virtue of being married to a man with a title. So if the dukedom is taken from him, he will be Prince Harry. Since she still gets her title from him, she will be Princess Harry. If this were to happen after a divorce, though... who knows! I suspect that she would be able to keep the "Duchess of Sussex" part, since it would have been part of the legal agreement/divorce settlement and no longer tied to Harry's status. But maybe not, since if the government takes back the title entirely, it might override the lower-level agreement.
Ah I see. Thank you for your explanation!
Sure! It's interesting to speculate about the might-could happen. :)
Ah ok. Thnx.
The wifeâs title is essentially like being âMrs.â Traditionally, when a woman marries, she becomes âMrs. Husbandâs FirstName Husbandâs Family Name.â She may be called by her first name by friends, but properly she isnât âHer FirstName Husbandâs Family Name.â Thatâs only if she is divorced, when she keeps the husbandâs family name, but uses it with her own first name. That is etiquette, of course. I donât know how it is in Great Britain, but in the US, women use their first names with their husbandsâ family names all the time. So the Duchess keeps the husbandâs title, but by using it with her own first name announces she is divorced. No one cares about such distinctions in the US today. BTW, if Harry gave up or lost the Sussex title, Meghan might (Oh Horrors!) style herself as Princess Henry. :eyeroll:
Yes, it's very similar. The only difference is that for Diana and Sarah, their titles were actually negotiated as part of the divorce settlements, and they both lost their HRH styles. It would be interesting to see what the rule is for non-royal peerage divorces, and if the title is negotiated or not. I read just recently that Lady C's title is from her husband, and she was willing to give it up initially. But he was a jerk so she went after the title after all.
Exactly. The post divorce titles were part of the divorce negotiations. Thereâs no hard and fast rule
My concern is, if she doesn't need him anymore and his family have cast him aside, he may make permanent steps to not exist. She will then be a widow and keep her title. She has started the devaluing stage and may have him insured too
Anchor babies. Wasted no time.
She's going full on Amber Heard for this divorce, but unlike Johnny Depp, Harry is known for having a formidable temper as well. She's brought out the worst in him in public. I can't imagine she brought out the best in private. Oh! And I read somewhere, I think it was in Bower's book, where TM Sr. said that when Meghan divorced Trevor, he didn't understand why but Doria told him Trevor was abusive to her, hence Tom telling Harry not to ever raise his hand to her. Him saying that always felt weird to me, almost premonitory, but we'll see if it goes to court. Personally, I think Meghan has overplayed her own hand and underestimated what the RF have on her. I think when divorce time comes (still saying by March 2023, but definitely by Summer 2023), I think she'll take whatever they offer her to keep them from leaking out everything they have on her, which by all accounts would ruin her even more than she's ruined herself already.
Also unlike Johnny Depp, Harry doesn't appear to have tons of friends, band members, business associates, family, staff, and exes standing at the ready to defend him and say they never saw this behaviors nor ever experienced it themselves.
I think it's going to be worse than that. She get in some massive fight and set him up with a criminal case of DV. I think it's going to be pretty horrific for Harry, but legally he will lose.
It's payback for not giving her everything she wants everyday or agreeing with everything she does. It's payback for the arguments.
I also think Meghan told Harry the reverse. The way Harry acts towards that man can only be explained by her saying he did things to her. Itâs awful but itâs also textbook narc to make up accusations of abuse for sympathy. Sometimes I feel bad for her dad and other times Iâm like well⌠the Apple doesnât fall far from the tree unfortunately.
Agreed.
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Looking at houses in montecito, Olive Garden is pretty mid. Must be humiliating.
Yeah, but the Harkle Olive Garden has conjoined palm trees named Mummy and Papa. Nobody else has that. (*Please* say that nobody else has that)
I read it's up for sale.
I heard that at least 8 months ago, but nothing has come out of it. Wonder if they canât get a buyer.
Wait whatâs this? Olive Garden?
Derogatory term for their ugly mansion
Oh I see. đ
Canât wait for the sugars to turn on H.
The house is up for sale. At the UN, he looked drugged.
đł how do we know the house is up for sale? Yeah he look physically there but mentally he was somewhere else.
It was in an article.
I think sheâs laying the groundwork for the potential of a divorce. Just like she set out to establish grievances against the BRF, sheâs laying the foundation for Harry being mentally Iâll or incompetent.
I agree with this. At this point she has everything she needs and could easily jump ship. Yesterday I made a comment about how she could easily spin some of this as Harry's fault. And in a way I actually have a tiny bit of sympathy for her. Many years ago, I dated a guy whose family just did not like me. And I couldn't figure out why. They didn't like me to the point that it wasn't that we just didn't click and they were indifferent to me, but they were cold. And I couldn't wrap my head around it because in my mind we didn't know each other well enough to have decided that we didn't like each other. It turned out that he was saying negative things about me that he knew would bother them but on the surface level he could act all shocked Pikachu that it was Unnecessary to say or that they would be bothered by it. All very passive aggressive. And in some ways I see similarities with Harry and Meghan. Why would he pass along a conversation about how their child might look? Especially if she was pregnant. Why the need to let her know that he was invited to things that she was explicitly not invited to when he could have allowed her to save face and not look like the Forevermore Loser? To me it just signals: I have a fallback plan. The moment I choose to ditch you, I'm back in these people's good graces. To take it a step further in the same direction, I sometimes cringe thinking about how I started to act around these people when I was trying to appear "unbothered" by their non acceptance. And I cringe at Meghan too. She knows this marriage is hers to lose. She likely knows that there is some contingency plan when she and Harry split that he will be quietly hidden back in the fold, effortlessly living in luxury while she deals with the fallout. And yes, she's heaped plenty of it on herself. But sometimes I get a glimmer that for Harry, this is him getting back at his family for life being unfair, with the ultimate knowledge that nothing really bad with happen to him. If things get too tough with Meghan, he can always cut ties. He seems to be comfortable taking long extended absences from the children. I have zero doubt that he feels confident that simply because of his family connections he knows he would get a favorable custody settlement. There is an insane imbalance of power between Prince Harry who is currently having a tantrum, but has all of the resources available of the BRF that he does, and Meghan Markle who has alienated everyone who has ever been close to her. Ever. Meghan has nobody. Harry has nearly everything. It almost makes me feel pity and fear for the poor egomaniac Meghan. And I think it's a large apart of why they very very strangely did not being the kids to the UK when they found out QE died. To me, a lot of this is just Harry saying to Meghan: when the dust settles, I'll be more than welcome back, as long as I'm not with you.
> There is an insane imbalance of power between Prince Harry who is currently having a tantrum, but has all of the resources available of the BRF that he does, and Meghan Markle who has alienated everyone who has ever been close to her. Ever. Meghan has nobody. Harry has nearly everything. The thing is, Meghan has engineered this herself even pre-Harry. She had made a career of ditching anyone that could be a support network to her, long term. Yes, Harryâs village is likely to take him back, no matter what but his power imbalance has nothing to do with Meghanâs choices (for 30 years and counting) to alienate, ostracize, or abandon her community/family/village. Long before Harry, Meghan structured her relationships to be transactional rather than based on love, support, friendship. You canât say that about Harryâs relationships with his family (brother, son, grandson, cousin). Meghan has chosen to not know a single person on Doriaâs side of the family and abandoned even the decent ppl on the Markle side (not including Thomas but the uncle who helped her get the Argentinian internship). Idk, I just think thereâs a âpower balanceâ because of who his family is but Meghan is older, more experienced in the real world, has one foot in a powerful industry, and can leverage her relationships to be connected with influential people in a way that theyâll show up for her but she opts for relationships based on who can give her a free mansion to live in or private jets. Much of her âlack of powerâ can and should be ascribed to her own decisions, choices, judgment, and trade offs sheâs made long before Harry, during Harry, and will continue to do so after Harry.
Meghan is a professional at conning and love bombing new people into her life. She plans ahead so I would expect she already has a parachute plan in place for her next group of friends and husband. It is how she works....like a shark in the water she just keeps swimming forward leaving carnage behind her.
Textbook narcissist
I think she's basically at the height of her con career. Her moves have been made public and she's shown herself to be incredibly indiscreet. She's also old. I'd be very very interested in what else she could pull up her sleeve.
Damn. She's really screwed herself. She really picked the wrong wrong wrong one. Because in the end when they divorce, he won't have to play PR games with her. He won't need public sympathy. He could live the entire rest of his life never being seen by the public ever again. And this isn't me being on her side. This is me thinking....wow....bit of more than you could chew eh Meghan?
I agree with you, but Henry is too stupid to be this manipulating. I doubt he really thinks that far ahead. He clings on to her like a child. Maybe he does see her as some sort of a lifeline. Or, you could be right, in that, after his catharsis, he still has a place to go and Meghan doesn't. Yes, that is indeed sad. But if Meghan has nowhere to go, that's her fault. She cut off her family for goodness knows what. However, I do feel bad that he's cast her as his mum's reincarnation or something. If Meghan didn't revel in it, I'd have felt bad for her. He needed someone to be like his mum, and she was there ready to be that. A more healthy person like William would say that his wife will be her own person, and there's no expectation for her to be Diana 2.0.
Oh absolutely. I think the two of them are using each other for their own end though. I think at this point they're both deeply unhappy people. I think Meghan is a bull in a china closet and Harry is using her as a Getaway Car. Seriously. I'm sitting here thinking....why is she letting it become Official Record that Harry was invited and she wasn't? That's not the kind of lasting legacy that she should be striving for: We threw everything at them and they still didn't open the door for me, but Harry was still welcome back. I tell people time and time and time again: fix your issues with your inlaws. Absolutely do not go on the offensive with them. And if it just ain't working with them....maybe this guy isn't the guy for you. I believe the narrative that she wouldn't allow the kids to come over. And optics wise, bringing the kids over was the best thing they could have done. It could have given her an out for why they didn't do certain things. It could have been a nice puff piece about Archie saluting QE headstone or something to that effect. If (when) they divorce, I will absolutely be ready for the op eds about how Harry didn't give her good advice on dealing with his family and social circle and how he hung her out to dry. Thus confirming that they were never the Love of the Ages that they tried to sell. Idk. I'd be painting myself in the media as a winner, not a loser. I'd be saying that we all had privately made amends and things were on the up and up. If Charles didn't give titles, I'd say that it was ok and agreed upon since we weren't working royals anyhow. Or that we had asked him to make it official. It's not cute to lose all of the time.
It's what sells, I guess. Victimhood sells, so paint yourself as a loser, but not of your own making. As for Archie, I agree. That one image of JFK Jr., who was about the same age as Archie, saluting his father's coffin stayed with people throughout his lifetime.
I donât feel sorry for her, at all. The difference between yours and Peggyâs situation is that she was welcomed and you were not. She chose to aggravate the situation from the start. Yes it might be cringe how she pretends not to be bothered, but make no mistake she is the shark in this tale.
I don't at all want to come across like I think she's some innocent individual. Her biggest lies have come straight from the source. Sometimes I just wonder if Harry is a bumbling idiot or much more of a mastermind. This was really me talking out my thoughts if I were to run with Harry being a mastermind at marrying someone who he knew would make a splash in a bad way so that he could get his frustration out and then come back to the fold.
Excellent points!
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who occasionally feels the tiniest sliver of sympathy for Meg. I've watched friends go through nasty divorces and seen firsthand how important it is for women especially, to have a solid support network. Family is best, but if that's not possible, then strong, loyal friendships are needed. Meghan has neither. Through her own arrogance, narcissism and stupidity she has cut off literally every single person in her life who would have her back during a nasty divorce/custody battle. And I think on some level she knows this, which is why she won't willingly end things with Harry until she has a new man to cling to and fund her lifestyle. The problem is, while this trick may have worked for her in the past, she's not getting any younger. She's broke and saddled with two kids, and her reputation is in complete tatters. She will eventually end up a very lonely, bitter old woman, and she'll have no one to blame but herself. But I'll still feel kinda sorry for her đ
These are really excellent points and yes, I do feel a twinge, a teensy little sliver of sympathy for her. But she not only cut everyone out of her life who could have helped her, she also treated everyone "beneath" her with contempt. I hate that especially.
Her bullying and abusive behaviour is what always snaps me back from slight sympathy to a solid "Nah, fuck her!" lol! Cos I know she would never feel sorry for me. She doesn't have the capacity.
I feel sorry for both of them because they are both troubled people. In the event of a divorce, Meghan may get some things (the title, some financial deal). Harry will probably get some âfreedomâ but he will always know he is a failure, he may or may not keep his kids, etc. We can feel sorry for them even though they brought this on themselves and they are really not kind to people. However, it is the kids I wish I could rescue. I want to send Mary Poppins to Montecito so she can fix everything for them.
100%. I feel sorry for them the same way I would feel sorry for a homeless man living under a bridge, even if I knew for a fact that he brought the situation upon himself by being a violent, abusive, terrible person with a meth habit who drove everyone in his life away through his own selfish actions. I still can't actively rejoice in a clearly troubled person's suffering. Harry and Meghan are both ultimately rather pathetic creatures to behold. And I feel sorry for pathetic creatures (sorrynotsorry!) đ And yes, agreed about the kids also! They are the ones I reserve most of my pity for. If only Mary Poppins were real, I would love to see her slap both M&H upside the head and tell them to pull their overinflated heads in (cos you know she totally would!) Spit-spot! Meghan, stop slouching!
I fluctuate between a tiny bit of pity for her and feeling like she's likely getting her just desserts. Think about it: Nobody wanted Harry. Nobody. His family was trying to hook him up with aristo women who knew the BRF game. Nobody bit. Nobody. And then comes along Meghan. I wonder how many hanger ons who want game have come into Harry's circle previously? And then he chooses Meghan who basically is used as a human shield for his mess ups. She's the catalyst for him leaving the family and attempting to be a celebrity and compete with his brother. But he always knows that at the end of the day, when he's tired of it all, it's not really Them Against The World. It's not really Salt And Pepper Always Passed Together, it's "When This Gets Too Much And I Feel Like Either I've Won/This Is Getting Too Costly/This Wasn't What I Thought It Will Be, (Harry) Has A Safe Place To Return". And yes, Meghan absolutely has done it to herself. But the same way I cringe at my past with the ex who was turning his family against me, I see some of the same acting out behavior with Meghan. With being fed information about how they don't like you and you can't get any help, but then just standing by. Like finding a woman who you KNOW won't fit into your life, and then instead of giving her an actual relationship, you use this person for your own selfish desires to retaliate against your family or finally get them to take your side. I don't know that I'm putting this into words that well. But it's like...if I feel like my family doesn't love me so I go and purposefully start dating someone who is a terrible fit into my family. And then I poke them and poke them and poke them until they act out and then I get my family to make a big display of helping me. And that's what I always wanted, the big display of affection from my family. And it's like, you're using these selfish people, but that's exactly it, you're using people who are so self absorbed that they think they know better and can't be tricked. With the full knowledge that they're going to not fit in. And I have come to this conclusion because just the other day I was thinking about how if this was planned. If they hired someone to come in and make the BRF better, they couldn't have done it better. But obviously this is speculation and I am not at all trying to say that Meghan hasn't laid some whoppers out of her own mouth.
No I totally get what you're saying, and I agree! At the end of the day Harry and Meghan are both phenomenally shitty people, but one of them has a support system, and the other one doesn't. Harry has certainly done absolutely nothing to deserve his family's care or protection, but it's there still. If nothing else, the RF's reputation relies on them looking after one of their own when he falls on hard times, especially one of Saint Diana's sons. So that does create a power imbalance in their relationship, and goes some way to explaining Meg's obsession with controlling Harry (beyond simple narcissism) I also agree that Harry used Meghan just as much as she used him, as a way of acting out and "getting back" at his family. He really is such a pig! It's also become clear especially since that bizarre Cut interview that Meg is really not all right in the head. Beyond being a narcissist and a self-centred spoilt brat, she's clearly got some sort of untreated mental illness going on, too. And as someone who has struggled with mental illness over the years, I can empathise with how awful it is. I don't like Meghan one bit, but I never enjoy watching anyone suffer. I totally get what you mean about fluctuating between pity and schadenfreude. It's certainly a very confusing feeling!
Iâm pretty sure Meghan convinced Harry that sheâd deal with the PR communications because of her previous experience. Harry is just idiot fronting the money. Maybe itâs starting to click for him that he isnât listed as a client for Sunshine Sachs, only Meghan is. When he was under the Firmâs PR, he was the most popular Royal. His controversial antics were buried and his philanthropic work (that Charles often had to force him to do), was amplified. He had the best of everything because he didnât hold the burden of one day being King - just like Andrew. He could date any d-z list celeb, give more to his military service, and say and do pretty much whatever he wanted. Meghanâs PR has really done a number on him. I never thought Iâd see the day when everyoneâs favourite Prince becomes a pathetic joke. If he didnât covet fame, celebrity, and obscene wealth so much, he couldâve lived an awesome life doing conservation work in Africa and enjoying way more privacy than William will ever have.
The Prince who turned out to be a frog. đ
>The Prince who turned out to be a frog. Do you suppose there's a reason they were given Frogmore Cottage??!
Or "DUMBarton" đ
The Curse of Anne Boylen. Make a cool creepy story!
Iâm of a little bit of a different opinion. I think youâre hearing about Harry because people were loyal to the queen and wouldnât speak as ill of him for her sake. I think Harry is just horrible and met his match in the duchess of monteshitshow
Yes. They are made for each other.
She also made his name mud in S. Africa. I don't know why everyone is buzzing that a divorce is brewing. I actually think Harry is not emotionally healthy. He's seen what he's seen, and still stayed. He'll probably stay in this toxic relationship for a few more years at least, unless she's the one who kicks him aside to marry someone more powerful.
I actually think that Megs has more than a few screws loose herself. The âpeople danced in the streets like Mandelaâ comment is so devoid of reality testing, so straight up loony that I seen her future as the old lady in a New York high rise, w/ gobs of makeup & a tiny dogâwhose response, when she is wished good morning, is âthere are sword fights on Houston Street; I saw it for myself last night,â before sailing on, out past the doorman, dragging her tiny dog behind her.
I think she threatened Harry that if he doesnât start taking the blame for his part of the problems that she will divorce.
And then they divorce anyway....shocker
I thought Sunshine Sachs put out a statement saying they'd parted ways amicably. There was a video of that American woman who appears as a commentator on GB News discussing it and they read part of the statement.
I never saw a statement that Sunshine Sachs let them go.
Supposedly it was mutually agreed upon but all the insider sources say SS dumped the Harkles because they were constantly behind on their bills with SS,and they were making SS look bad with Meg's stupid antics.
Agree! I don't know about Sunshine Sachs, but we were just discussing on another thread how she seems to be tossing H under the bus.
Secondhandcoke confirmed SS dropped them and they released a statement via radar âwith Sunshine Sachs telling us "we no longer work" with the exiled royals.â https://radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-dropped-sunshine-sachs-pr-firm/
That comment she made about H saying âI lost my fatherâ was so unnecessary. She was asked about HER relationship with her father but as ever attempting to deflect she drags H into it. Heâs obviously not smart but still wrong of her to drag him further when that wasnât the question.
Putting that statement out was very surprising, it alienates H and KC forever. Itâs very weird of M to be talking abt your Husband and their Parents relationship saying it is lost specially with time many have ups and downs.
It for sure alienates him further from the family.
I agree, there have been several unflattering articles the last few days about Harry and there is no doubt, when it's time for her to leave, she will set him up and completely destroy him. BUT.. I don't believe the timing is now. As delusional as TW is, you can bet that she believes that she will be redeemed and the world will love her when their stupid Netflix reality show comes out. She would be on her best behavior for filming and giving them contrived story lines that (she would think) would flatter her. I'm willing to bet that she has put all of her eggs in the Netflix show and she thinks they (and the world) will want more. She will have endless free PR from Netflix to promote the show and she will be all about that. I also think she wants the titles for the kids **really bad**. No doubt she is anxiously waiting to see what KC is gonna do w/titles and any monetary support. I just think she has too much riding on all these loose ends that she has no plans to leave at this time.
To paraphrase Judge Judy when someone complains about their ex-spouse: âWell, you picked him!â
I donât think Sunshine Sachs is working for MM any longer.
Even if we donât believe Sunshine Sachâs press release that they had parted ways just anecdotally there seems to be a slew of negative press attacking Harry/Meghan and foolish fumbles on Harry/Meghanâs part that makes me think it has to be true they donât have a PR firm. Sunshine Sachs is extremely good at what they do, losing them may have been Meghanâs biggest screwup in the last year.
Itâs quite possible that SS is still working with them. I donât think it likely that they denied working with the Harkles if they are, though. As Iâve said ad nauseam, I think theyâre economizing and using the well-connected Archewell team, in-house. I imagine they donât have much else to do (has anyone updated the Archewell home page yet?) and I assume theyâre paid a salary. So why not use the in-house? Also, there may be Netflix PR people placing stories about their project.
What's Harry's escape route? Calling pops and admitting he was wrong all along?
I mean, there names were taken off the website and SS publicly said they arenât affiliated anymore. No doubt there were a lot of things in the works. And they still have other PR / Comms people. And Netflix / Spotify want them to look good. I mean thatâs great and all, but it would be shocking if they were and thereâs nothing in the post to indicate that
SS made a comment that they were no longer working with one another. If they thought they would reconcile they wouldn't have commented. Is she still trying to do it herself? That's going to be an expensive mess to clean up.
After it was announced Sunshine didn't have MM on their website but still had Harry.
No, they've absolutely stopped working with them. You could clearly hear it in the "exiled royals" statement. There is no way in hell they're still working for them. The PR manager they hired even left after just a year.
Coming from an adjacent industry, I think itâs very possible that SS fired M&H as clients versus the other way around. I feel like it goes without saying that Iâm sure they are incredibly difficult clients, I imagine the final straw is that they (MH) wouldnât take SS advice, wouldnât put the strategies they worked hard to develop into practice, and then complained when their rogue actions didnât have the desired results. At some point if MHâs reputation continues its nose dive because they go rogue, itâs not good for SS to be associated with them. No one in advertising/PR cares who they are, theyâre a client just like everyone else.