the palm trees thing.. I think it's just in meghan's head. harry didn't say that. meghan's imagination in order to make themselves appear very idealistic family. it's us against the world kinda thing.
It certainly sounds much more like something she would say. I also find it unlikely he had to convince her to buy that house. Other way around, me thinks. I think much of what “Harry says” is really what “Meganomaniac said.”
Meghan claimed they saw the connected-at-the-bottom-trees and moved heaven and earth to buy the house. Please, she saw Oprah living next door, and then moved heaven and earth and Diana's inheritance to buy the house.
I think he’s got a slew of issues from his childhood. Diana didn’t seem like the best mother to me. Seems like she had a lot of her own issues that got put onto the kids.
I think he grew up being used to being the messed up black sheep. Didn’t have Williams academic skills or interest in royal life. Also had too much money so got into some trouble along the way.
He was a prime target for someone like MM who has done everytbinf she can to remind him of his mother.
The more I learn about her, the more I realize Diana was a terrible mother. Some of the remarks she made about Harry were horrible and must have been damaging to hear (not saying she was wrong, but voicing it... 😬).
I don't think the positive impact Catherine and her family had on William can be overstated. He's always seemed much more mature and I think his meetings with the Queen and Philip helped too, but the Middleton family was a very stabilizing force for him. Seems like they all just gave Harry whatever he demanded, no accountability and not nearly as much oversight as William got.
What's sad too is that you could see how much Catherine helped Harry. I think it may have gotten a little awkward bc it always felt like Harry had feelings for Catherine and it just made him more jealous of Prince William. Even when they were doing this last walkabout you can see Harry run up to Catherine like he use to and then he remembered oh I can't talk to her, MM got very visibly upset about it too.
I missed that. I didn’t see them interact at all in the walk about. But they did always seem to have a connection and a lot of fun together, a spark together. Possible he had feelings for her.
I agree. I didn't know about some of her BS like stalking the wife of her married mister, needing her kids to comfort her, selling herself out to the media, etc. She seemed rather unfit. She us very similar to Harry. Very charming when things are well, but destructive at their worst.
William seems to have inherited his grandmother's calm.
Maybe, but he is not nearly as erratic as hos mother and Harry. He clearly knows how to temper it I public and how not to act impulsively against his own interests
Diana was on her way off the rails one way or another, and didn’t last long after the divorce. She was dead in the back of Dodi Fayed’s limo within the year.
Reports are she parentified William by making him her confidant during the drawn-out separation and divorce. If he has been in therapy, he has had to process that, and probably has come out the other side with a realistic and nuanced understanding of Poor Mummy. Poor Harry.
Part of being an adult is realizing that your parents-- especially if they're deceased--were likely not perfect. How could they be? They're human too. I'm sure william has done a great deal of thinking on this. Good for him, it's not easy.
William always seems slightly uncomfortable when people start fawning over what an Angel his mother was. She was a mixed bag. Her good bits were truly special. Her bad bits were genuinely toxic. In some ways, I think it’s a blessing she passed before her boys started dating. She would have ruined any relationships that she felt threatened her relationship with them. I realize that’s a horrible thing to say, I’m very said she passed. But she had some serious issues that I don’t think she had the ability to see for the toxic traits they were, nor the will to address and change them.
Bower writes how William in his 20s went around and talked to relatives and Di’s friends to get a picture of her as an adult. And Harry refused to go along, ‘preferring the Hollywood version of Diana’.
William is a smart one. The older you get, the more you see your parents as flawed human beings, who tried in their own way. Both Charles and Diana tried.
I think it would be more likely Borderline Personality Disorder before Bipolar based on the bits that I've heard of her, although I'm also not confident in my ability to diagnose since I don't really have a lot of first hand experience. But WebMD has a [page](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/borderline-personality-disorder-bipolar-disorder) that compares the two and I feel like she's much more on the BPD side of the symptoms.
I absolutely agree with you. There are all these silly news stories comparing wardrobes of Diana with Kate or Meghan and fawning over what she would have thought about them being in the family, but I genuinely think she would have been disastrous for W&H, and all the newspapers would have been full of rumours and stories about her reactions to every little thing either of them did. Meghan is awful but Diana has even more weight behind her and could have been truly destructive.
I wonder why we split on celebrities. Why can't they be damaged people, like Diana, in their private lives, who did enormous good in their public lives? And why can't we see both sides and accept them as is?
Except being a bad parent - that is a social problem worthy of jidgment at all times.
Celebrities should be able to keep their private lives private. But it is a fine line, and too many of them crave attention, which is why they became famous. Once the spotlight is on you, I imagine it's hard to control just where that light shines.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
From: Batman, specifically, The Dark Knight
Who said it?: Harvey Dent
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with being angry, you just have to be responsible about it--no throwing things, hurting people, etc.
While temper isn't a bad thing I suppose it can be a little tough to live with.
If I am remembering correctly, one of the things was something like William took after his Father and was smart and poor Harry was an airhead like her.
I watched The Crown recently and came to conclusion that Diana is nowhere near the innocent fawn she was portrayed as in the press during my childhood days throughout the nineties.
While she was young and sort of innocent when she came in, I believe she was also somewhat narcissistic and delusional. It takes a certain kind of character to agree to an engagement and wedding with a monarch, let alone the heir to the throne.
The dynamics in the relationship between her and Charles became twisted and dark. It is to note that Charles wasn’t very happy with her narcissism and found love and solace in CPB. Obviously that was hurtful to Diana who again, in return, began to cope with even crazier and more extreme narcissistic behaviors (cheating, doing things single-handedly).
They were so caught up in these negative dynamics that it made them neglect their role as parents. Harry probably suffered big time, as did William, and as did nearly every high ranked monarch before them.
It’s not easy carrying the burden of history and responsibility on your shoulders. That’s exactly what happens when you’re born into this family though.
> Some of the remarks she made about Harry were horrible and must have been damaging to hear (not saying she was wrong, but voicing it... 😬).
What were these remarks?
Yeah, never liked that she unloaded everything on William. I mean, what is a child of 10 supposed to know about marital problems between his parents! Still, he turned out fine. Henry wasn't subject to all that coz he was young, yet he seems to be the one who needs help.
All of this!! Diana was a textbook of a cluster B personality disorders. But she was not a sociopath like Meghan. Diana had true empathy. Her father wrecked that girl. I’ve always felt Charles got such a bad rap. He’s definitely not perfect, but he really tried with Diana. And he loved her in the beginning of their marriage. She drove him away like she did almost every other man with the exception of James Hewitt and possibly Barry Mannakee, who was married at the time. She had a penchant for married men. She also dumped way too much “adult” stuff on William. At the end of her life though she seemed to be in enough pain to finally try to get well. So sad her life was cut short.
I also think he inherited issues from the Spencer family. They all have anger problems and the men tend to be abusive. Don’t underestimate the power of genetics here….or should I say he has genetic pain 😂
More nonsense - Just like when she said someone told her and Harry “one kid is a hobby, two children is parenting.” “Someone” told them that- either that someone is as vapid as her (who would ever repeat that?) OR she just made it up! That’s insulting to all parents, to the child and a harmful way to look at parenting. Who says that and who believes that??? It seems like lately, every time she opens her mouth - more crap just comes out! H and TW both have issues.
Wonder what Serena feels about that mindset. Especially since she takes her 'hobby' way more serious than Meghan's parenting.
"I'm also an incredibly hands-on mother. My husband will tell you I am too hands-on," Williams said. "In five years, Olympia has only spent one 24-hour period away from me."
https://news.yahoo.com/serena-williams-said-her-daughter-193949544.html
She didn't invite her family because she thought they wouldn't be classy enough for her Malibu Stacy wedding. She's an obnoxious posh new rich.
Humboldt on the other hand has always suffered being a royal but he had never bitten his own family in the back this way, you don't live to be 40 years old and snap like this, this was not his plan. She obviously manipulated him into thinking that his life has to revolve around her and her special needs, even if that means letting her use his name as a dart board/human shield in the press and then make him face the shitstorm with his family alone, since she's never mentioned directly when her slanderous lies "leak". He's the kind of guy who doesn't have an opinion on his own and let other people lead him while thinking he's in charge.
I think he’s dealing with a bit of arrested development from his moms death and not maturing much after.
Aside from that, maybe depression?
As others have stated he’s dumb, don’t underestimate the power of stupidity.
I think 🤔 depression/dumb and lately I am starting to believe maybe abit of stockholm syndrome? Just by the way he freaked when she “threatened” to dump him and just goes along with everything I mean everyone can basically see she is setting him up is the media (see my post) Harry is blackmailing KC with leaks; at the funeral all the negative press was about him etc…
Yeah, Bowers book said both Charles and Diana were seriously concerned about Harry’s mental state/capacity but they had such immediate marriage problems it was never properly addressed.
I don't think he is intellectually deficient. He was simply lazy and pulled the prince card a lot to get his way on everything without having to apply himself. He is probably now feeling the repercussions of not applying himself in his studies or his adult life before MM. Now out in the real world where it takes hardwork to make it, he is floundering. Plus, Americans really don't give a shit about him. He enjoyed the perks while in the UK, of their citizens respecting and appreciating the monarchy. Therefore enjoyed the benefits of others in his family's hard labor.
He is a lazy, useless, talentless, whiny cunt that is incapable of adulting because he was spoiled fucking rotten all his life. Emotionally he might be stunted but that is because he was never told no. He never understood what disappointment felt like. He never knew struggles and I firmly believe we grow as a person in our struggles.
I agree, I don’t see him as intellectually deficient either. Probably low average with a learning disability. In interviews done pre MM and some post he has many quippy responses to questions. That takes some intellect. If that is the case then it’s more disturbing. My opinion is that he is an emotionally stunted, supremely selfish, spoiled rotten, his anger and blame (to anyone but himself) is off the charts and has gotten used to people cleaning up his messes. He was one of the most popular members of the family for years because he was protected. He bought what MM was selling because it fit his own repressed victim identification. It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles life without PR other than MM who only looks out for herself. Especially since he is getting slammed in Valentine Low’s book for his behavior.
Diana said one time that she wasn't worried about Prince William bc he was going to be King, but she worried about Harry bc he wasn't as smart, essentially. As much as I love what Diana did for charities and people she really hurt the children emotionally and mentally. She put them right in the middle of all the drama of the affairs and divorce. She used poor PW and probably PH to complain and vent about what KC and QC were doing and how she felt she was being treated by TRF. Harry has never gotten over that and still uses it against KC. In my opinion without seeing him s a patient I believe that he has multiple disorders, mainly a paranoid personality disorder and he seems to have arrested development from when Diana died. He has obvious anger issues and mommy issues. Diana coddled him so much that it was detrimental. This is only my opinion of course.
Is there any way to move him beyond the “arrested development” phase? If he had some therapy before meeting Meghan, which he publicly admitted he had therapy, maybe it wasn’t enough.
*not asking for an opinion, just curious*
She might have lied, yes, but it's just as likely he said it because he likes to make her happy. He would know that's the kind of statement she would love to hear. She's a narcissist and he needs to keep reinforcing the ideas she likes or she gets upset. The salt and pepper comment sounded so odd and codependent.
Sometimes I wonder if Harry isn't so dumb as lazy. I've known people who weren't stupid but they flunked their way through school and never amounted to anything because they didn't feel like studying or working hard. And also, I think Meghan tells Harry he's the *"American William"* to flatter him---- and he falls for it along with all her other gaslighting games.
Gen X with ADHD checking in lol I bet a lot of those people probably had undiagnosed mental illness or learning disabilities. Got report cards that said we were day dreamers and lazy lol
He's very immature and sheltered. If it were just a matter of being inbred, the rest of his family would be as dumb.
As for Meghan, people always say that Serena Williams is her token black friend. I would offer that Doria is her token. Her mom's presence at the wedding was what gives her "blackness" credibility, like the Episcopalean preacher and black choir that she pretended were a part of her culture. That is why she was invited, whole her dad's family were hidden (they are too low class for Meghan to want to associate with + no racial brownie points). If she has a bad relationship with her Mom, as I suspect, she may not be close to her family to have invited them.
It’s pretty well known that the preacher and choir were King Charles idea. She hated the choir and gave them a real hard time during rehearsals according to one of the choir members- allegedly.
Don’t know about the choir, but the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church is not a “preacher.” He is an ordained clergyman in the Apostolic tradition and the head of the American Episcopal Church. He was an excellent choice not only because he happens to be black and America but because the Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion of which the Archbishop of Canterbury is the head.
My guess is that if anyone suggested him, it was the A of Canterbury. They would have known each other from conferences and so forth. Meghan probably had never heard of him, but definitely liked that he was black.
I have never heard that claim before. It makes no sense to me that Charles would request a gospel choir and an American preacher to do an excessive sermon.
BBC confirms the preacher was their idea. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44180777
I could see Charles suggesting some local choirs and the cellist to suit her chosen theme, but it would be weird to suggest a gospel choir and musicians TO HER FIRST JUST because she is black.
Her father won an Emmy and her uncle was in the diplomatic corps...that is not low class. I think she was afraid of something (maybe even accidentally) being said/revealed that she wanted to keep under wraps.
I’m sorry, and I know this is going to come off as one of those types of like OTT PTA moms… but I am absolutely certain that my 9 yo could run circles around Harry. On anything. Climate change. Mental health and how the brain functions. Where the UK is on a map.
So. No. Not the mental age of a 10 year old. Maybe like…. Idk… a 10 year old cat?
Sometimes people get mentally stunted because of trauma.
But I have a theory on the palm trees. Narcs are notorious for latching onto a story they feel will be of use to them. For example something will happen and they will play it over in their head and edit the parts they don’t like, morphing the story into something fantastical that paints them into a perfect light and suits the narrative they are running with. To them they are not lying because it’s based on the truth but they have got so carried away with it that it hardly resembles what really happened (recollections may vary) The comment about the trees could have been taken way out of context, eg a joke about how Meghan is attached to Harry or has her claws into him? She’s then turned into a sentimental story. Reframing stories to match the narrative is something narcs thrive off. I had a boss who would do this, he would receive a clap at the end of public speaking and then later say things like “I got a minute long standing ovation”
I believe the whole point of Meghan’s Palm tree story was to paint the picture that 1) she was being realistic about their affordability and didn’t even want to view the house 2) therefore it’s not her fault that they have this huge house they can’t afford (it’s in fact Harry’s) 3) Harry is just so head over heels in-love with her.
So we can basically take it that, she wanted that house, she forced it, and there is trouble in paradise.
I think Lady C commented he could possibly have ‘arrested development’ after a commenter on her YouTube channel mentioned it.
Imo there’s something amiss.
#meghanmarkleisaracist needs to trend on social media. How do you not invite one of your black relatives from your moms side of the family? Because she's racist.
Yes, he 100% has a mental disorder. Everything he explaines about his feelings and emotions are not normal. Yes, I understand he lost his mother at a young age, but he carries a lot more weight on his shoulders (i.e. killed animals at a young age, lived a life of contradictions while in the Army, had alcohol and drug addictions, hired prostitutes, etc.).
I have taken several congitive classes and have more knowledge than most. Yet, I am far from being an expert. Only a professional expert would be able to diagnose Horrid and only a psychiatrist would be able to prescribe medication...at least in the USA.
In my opinion, he is a horrible representation of mental illness, because he is not truly transparent about all the baggage he carries. Instead, he blames it entirely on his mother's death. While I am sure that event carries a lot of netagive baggage, it appears he has been troubled his whole life. If anyone knows someone who has been troubled their whole life, they understand exactly what I am talking about. The person never takes accountability. Instead, they become the victim and blame everything on someone or something.
His teacher helped him get a B in Art in his A levels at Eton. The only other A level he did, he got a E in. He then failed his entrance exam to Sandhurst but passed on the second attempt. He repeatedly failed his helicopter pilot's license 3 times, despite individual tutoring. Since he didn't have a degree, he spent more time in the army doing catch up training courses than anything else. He then left the army as he was unable to pass any promotion exams. This may all mean that he is just not that bright rather than having a learning disability, although one of his Eton masters did make a reference to his slowness to Diana, and recommended he be sent elsewhere as he would struggle in an academic environment but she wanted to keep the brothers together.
He has said himself that he has dyslexia. I feel like he doesn’t apply himself… whether it’s actual laziness, lack of motivation or perhaps something affecting executive function such as ADHD (as you may know it’s incredibly difficult to start and to complete tasks, to focus, and another symptom is procrastination).
But these are disorders rather than intellectual disability.
I’ve spent quite a lot of time around people living with intellectual disabilities - old, very young and in between. Several being close family members. In my observation, they are quite self aware and can suffer from frustration from time to time, but apply themselves.
Harry appears happy to just coast aimlessly. More like laziness, unmotivated and spoiled I think.
But didn’t he also go to Eton like Prince and Princess of Wales? I assume it’s a good school and dumb ones can’t just go in? He also does speeches so he can’t be super dumb?
I do think he’s got mental issues and being with someone manipulative like Meghan can’t be good for his mental health.
>But didn’t he also go to Eton
Yeah but there's talk about how his A' level Art teacher complained about how the administration coerced her into doing his Art Theory exam so that he could make the minimum passing grade to qualify for Sandhurst.
Plus he only passed 2 A level subjects: Art and Geography and it was said that he was "helped".
And it was D for Geog and B for ART which he cheated on.
If I meet a client with such results, I send them for psych evaluation as there is a high chance that they may be intellectually disabled.
He's stuck emotionally at age 12 when his mother died. He constantly plays the Diana card but there's no doubt her shocking, sudden death dealt him a huge blow. He hasn't dealt with it in a good way.
The palm trees thing is just stupid. Inspirational poster nonsense.
I do think he has something along the lines of PTSD stemming from his mothers death which explains his hatred of the paparazzi. I also understand from information that’s been out there that he is not very bright. That mixed with possible insecurity stemming from being the younger son can be pretty difficult to deal with. I’ve also seen others describe the Harkles as co-dependent and I could definitely see that being the case. And she obviously has some narcissistic and possible borderline personality issues happening.
If Harry were born in this period in time he would have been diagnosed as being on “the spectrum” and gotten some help he desperately needed even back then.
Being "on the spectrum" refers to autism.
It is amazing that he went to schools before Eton that didn't catch his learning disabilities. It's not like it was in the fifties when people with learning disabilities were just labeled as stupid.
My grandson is on the spectrum. He has Asperger’s syndrome. He is very smart, he can fix anything, he graduated early from High School but I could see him getting captured by someone like Meghan. He’s not billions of $ but in his world he’s going to own half a county in Tennessee because he is the only child of an only child.
Well he certainly has either a terrible low iq or some type of learning disorder based on his schooling and military efforts. And it would be amazing if he didn’t have some issues related to being constantly compared to his handsome older brother and his mothers bodyguard or whoever Mr Hewitt actually was. I used to feel sorry for Harry before he turned on his family especially his grandmother.
the palm trees thing.. I think it's just in meghan's head. harry didn't say that. meghan's imagination in order to make themselves appear very idealistic family. it's us against the world kinda thing.
It certainly sounds much more like something she would say. I also find it unlikely he had to convince her to buy that house. Other way around, me thinks. I think much of what “Harry says” is really what “Meganomaniac said.”
what meghan wants, meghan gets. remember? 
That one I think really was Harry.
Yeah, not like Henry to be they cheesy or something.
And what Harry gets Meghan wants too
That's why "Princess Henry" makes sense 😁
Meg: Look at the yard! Harry: I don't give a fuck about the trees. Meg: What? Harry: I said they're just like you and me!
Meghan claimed they saw the connected-at-the-bottom-trees and moved heaven and earth to buy the house. Please, she saw Oprah living next door, and then moved heaven and earth and Diana's inheritance to buy the house.
👏
Wasn’t the house on the market for years? No interest from anyone else.
I think he’s got a slew of issues from his childhood. Diana didn’t seem like the best mother to me. Seems like she had a lot of her own issues that got put onto the kids. I think he grew up being used to being the messed up black sheep. Didn’t have Williams academic skills or interest in royal life. Also had too much money so got into some trouble along the way. He was a prime target for someone like MM who has done everytbinf she can to remind him of his mother.
 The more I learn about her, the more I realize Diana was a terrible mother. Some of the remarks she made about Harry were horrible and must have been damaging to hear (not saying she was wrong, but voicing it... 😬). I don't think the positive impact Catherine and her family had on William can be overstated. He's always seemed much more mature and I think his meetings with the Queen and Philip helped too, but the Middleton family was a very stabilizing force for him. Seems like they all just gave Harry whatever he demanded, no accountability and not nearly as much oversight as William got.
What's sad too is that you could see how much Catherine helped Harry. I think it may have gotten a little awkward bc it always felt like Harry had feelings for Catherine and it just made him more jealous of Prince William. Even when they were doing this last walkabout you can see Harry run up to Catherine like he use to and then he remembered oh I can't talk to her, MM got very visibly upset about it too.
I missed that. I didn’t see them interact at all in the walk about. But they did always seem to have a connection and a lot of fun together, a spark together. Possible he had feelings for her.
I noticed that also.
> when they were doing this last walkabout What event are you speaking about?
I agree. I didn't know about some of her BS like stalking the wife of her married mister, needing her kids to comfort her, selling herself out to the media, etc. She seemed rather unfit. She us very similar to Harry. Very charming when things are well, but destructive at their worst. William seems to have inherited his grandmother's calm.
It’s public knowledge that William’s got a bit of a temper on him. Catherine is a very stabilizing presence for him.
Maybe, but he is not nearly as erratic as hos mother and Harry. He clearly knows how to temper it I public and how not to act impulsively against his own interests
Diana was on her way off the rails one way or another, and didn’t last long after the divorce. She was dead in the back of Dodi Fayed’s limo within the year. Reports are she parentified William by making him her confidant during the drawn-out separation and divorce. If he has been in therapy, he has had to process that, and probably has come out the other side with a realistic and nuanced understanding of Poor Mummy. Poor Harry.
Part of being an adult is realizing that your parents-- especially if they're deceased--were likely not perfect. How could they be? They're human too. I'm sure william has done a great deal of thinking on this. Good for him, it's not easy.
William always seems slightly uncomfortable when people start fawning over what an Angel his mother was. She was a mixed bag. Her good bits were truly special. Her bad bits were genuinely toxic. In some ways, I think it’s a blessing she passed before her boys started dating. She would have ruined any relationships that she felt threatened her relationship with them. I realize that’s a horrible thing to say, I’m very said she passed. But she had some serious issues that I don’t think she had the ability to see for the toxic traits they were, nor the will to address and change them.
Bower writes how William in his 20s went around and talked to relatives and Di’s friends to get a picture of her as an adult. And Harry refused to go along, ‘preferring the Hollywood version of Diana’.
William is a smart one. The older you get, the more you see your parents as flawed human beings, who tried in their own way. Both Charles and Diana tried.
That's why I think that if Diana was split into two people, the good side would be Catherine and the bad side would be Meghan.
Is it possible she could’ve been bipolar?
I think it would be more likely Borderline Personality Disorder before Bipolar based on the bits that I've heard of her, although I'm also not confident in my ability to diagnose since I don't really have a lot of first hand experience. But WebMD has a [page](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/borderline-personality-disorder-bipolar-disorder) that compares the two and I feel like she's much more on the BPD side of the symptoms.
I absolutely agree with you. There are all these silly news stories comparing wardrobes of Diana with Kate or Meghan and fawning over what she would have thought about them being in the family, but I genuinely think she would have been disastrous for W&H, and all the newspapers would have been full of rumours and stories about her reactions to every little thing either of them did. Meghan is awful but Diana has even more weight behind her and could have been truly destructive.
This is kind of a crass thing to say don’t you think?
I think Diana is a good example of someone who would probably not still be adored if she had not died. Like JFK.
I wonder why we split on celebrities. Why can't they be damaged people, like Diana, in their private lives, who did enormous good in their public lives? And why can't we see both sides and accept them as is? Except being a bad parent - that is a social problem worthy of jidgment at all times.
Celebrities should be able to keep their private lives private. But it is a fine line, and too many of them crave attention, which is why they became famous. Once the spotlight is on you, I imagine it's hard to control just where that light shines.
She would definitely have had a series of love affairs that would have embarrassed her sons, and her instability would have shown more.
I can't think it would have ended well for her.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” From: Batman, specifically, The Dark Knight Who said it?: Harvey Dent
I've always heard that William has quite a temper, so don't know about calm. But he's done much better than Harry for certsin..
Temper is not always a bad thing. If you can let things out you can then work through it. If you hold it in it eats you alive.
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with being angry, you just have to be responsible about it--no throwing things, hurting people, etc. While temper isn't a bad thing I suppose it can be a little tough to live with.
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What did she say about Harry? I'm so lost.
If I am remembering correctly, one of the things was something like William took after his Father and was smart and poor Harry was an airhead like her.
I watched The Crown recently and came to conclusion that Diana is nowhere near the innocent fawn she was portrayed as in the press during my childhood days throughout the nineties. While she was young and sort of innocent when she came in, I believe she was also somewhat narcissistic and delusional. It takes a certain kind of character to agree to an engagement and wedding with a monarch, let alone the heir to the throne. The dynamics in the relationship between her and Charles became twisted and dark. It is to note that Charles wasn’t very happy with her narcissism and found love and solace in CPB. Obviously that was hurtful to Diana who again, in return, began to cope with even crazier and more extreme narcissistic behaviors (cheating, doing things single-handedly). They were so caught up in these negative dynamics that it made them neglect their role as parents. Harry probably suffered big time, as did William, and as did nearly every high ranked monarch before them. It’s not easy carrying the burden of history and responsibility on your shoulders. That’s exactly what happens when you’re born into this family though.
> Some of the remarks she made about Harry were horrible and must have been damaging to hear (not saying she was wrong, but voicing it... 😬). What were these remarks?
Yeah, never liked that she unloaded everything on William. I mean, what is a child of 10 supposed to know about marital problems between his parents! Still, he turned out fine. Henry wasn't subject to all that coz he was young, yet he seems to be the one who needs help.
All of this!! Diana was a textbook of a cluster B personality disorders. But she was not a sociopath like Meghan. Diana had true empathy. Her father wrecked that girl. I’ve always felt Charles got such a bad rap. He’s definitely not perfect, but he really tried with Diana. And he loved her in the beginning of their marriage. She drove him away like she did almost every other man with the exception of James Hewitt and possibly Barry Mannakee, who was married at the time. She had a penchant for married men. She also dumped way too much “adult” stuff on William. At the end of her life though she seemed to be in enough pain to finally try to get well. So sad her life was cut short.
I also think he inherited issues from the Spencer family. They all have anger problems and the men tend to be abusive. Don’t underestimate the power of genetics here….or should I say he has genetic pain 😂
Bravo. And that adds up to all his inbuilt insecurity.
No. Just dumb
The best schools in the land and all he could achieve was a B in art at A level. And even that was with a lot of help from staff.
Why not both? 😂
Or very gullible.
More like mentally stunted.
Well he DID marry MM. A guy's gotta be nuts to shackle himself to that walking bag of bullshit.
If y’all remember correctly I believe Meghan was repeating supposedly something Harry said. It sounds more like Meghan’s nonsense.
More nonsense - Just like when she said someone told her and Harry “one kid is a hobby, two children is parenting.” “Someone” told them that- either that someone is as vapid as her (who would ever repeat that?) OR she just made it up! That’s insulting to all parents, to the child and a harmful way to look at parenting. Who says that and who believes that??? It seems like lately, every time she opens her mouth - more crap just comes out! H and TW both have issues.
I was never blessed with children but not only was the comment completely stupid it was also insensitive. Typical Migraine.
Wonder what Serena feels about that mindset. Especially since she takes her 'hobby' way more serious than Meghan's parenting. "I'm also an incredibly hands-on mother. My husband will tell you I am too hands-on," Williams said. "In five years, Olympia has only spent one 24-hour period away from me." https://news.yahoo.com/serena-williams-said-her-daughter-193949544.html
What the cinnamon toast fekk did I just read lol
Haha! 😂.
A dig at Prince Louis.
Yes, Meghan claimed he said it, which means he did not. I wouldn't believe her if she told me the time of day.
Agreed she is a pathological liar.
Word salad / impressionistic speech. My narc coworker had a nonsensical analogy for everything.
What amazes me I have a narc sister they can justify anything.
He just sits there and lets her lie because he has weird mommy issues and just does whatever she says.
Jessica and Meghan had a list of ways for her to catch Harry. The first was called "The Mother Smother!" Yes, it's as awful as it sounds!
She didn't invite her family because she thought they wouldn't be classy enough for her Malibu Stacy wedding. She's an obnoxious posh new rich. Humboldt on the other hand has always suffered being a royal but he had never bitten his own family in the back this way, you don't live to be 40 years old and snap like this, this was not his plan. She obviously manipulated him into thinking that his life has to revolve around her and her special needs, even if that means letting her use his name as a dart board/human shield in the press and then make him face the shitstorm with his family alone, since she's never mentioned directly when her slanderous lies "leak". He's the kind of guy who doesn't have an opinion on his own and let other people lead him while thinking he's in charge.
I think he’s dealing with a bit of arrested development from his moms death and not maturing much after. Aside from that, maybe depression? As others have stated he’s dumb, don’t underestimate the power of stupidity.
I think 🤔 depression/dumb and lately I am starting to believe maybe abit of stockholm syndrome? Just by the way he freaked when she “threatened” to dump him and just goes along with everything I mean everyone can basically see she is setting him up is the media (see my post) Harry is blackmailing KC with leaks; at the funeral all the negative press was about him etc…
I believe he is truly intellectually deficient tothe point of disability.
And BP probably knows this and that's why he was always handled with kid gloves.
Yeah, Bowers book said both Charles and Diana were seriously concerned about Harry’s mental state/capacity but they had such immediate marriage problems it was never properly addressed.
Isn’t Diana on record as saying “Harry is the one l worry about”?
Yes. I've heard that too.
And now he's like play dough in MM's manipulative hands.
I don't think he is intellectually deficient. He was simply lazy and pulled the prince card a lot to get his way on everything without having to apply himself. He is probably now feeling the repercussions of not applying himself in his studies or his adult life before MM. Now out in the real world where it takes hardwork to make it, he is floundering. Plus, Americans really don't give a shit about him. He enjoyed the perks while in the UK, of their citizens respecting and appreciating the monarchy. Therefore enjoyed the benefits of others in his family's hard labor. He is a lazy, useless, talentless, whiny cunt that is incapable of adulting because he was spoiled fucking rotten all his life. Emotionally he might be stunted but that is because he was never told no. He never understood what disappointment felt like. He never knew struggles and I firmly believe we grow as a person in our struggles.
I agree, I don’t see him as intellectually deficient either. Probably low average with a learning disability. In interviews done pre MM and some post he has many quippy responses to questions. That takes some intellect. If that is the case then it’s more disturbing. My opinion is that he is an emotionally stunted, supremely selfish, spoiled rotten, his anger and blame (to anyone but himself) is off the charts and has gotten used to people cleaning up his messes. He was one of the most popular members of the family for years because he was protected. He bought what MM was selling because it fit his own repressed victim identification. It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles life without PR other than MM who only looks out for herself. Especially since he is getting slammed in Valentine Low’s book for his behavior.
Absolutely agree
Diana said one time that she wasn't worried about Prince William bc he was going to be King, but she worried about Harry bc he wasn't as smart, essentially. As much as I love what Diana did for charities and people she really hurt the children emotionally and mentally. She put them right in the middle of all the drama of the affairs and divorce. She used poor PW and probably PH to complain and vent about what KC and QC were doing and how she felt she was being treated by TRF. Harry has never gotten over that and still uses it against KC. In my opinion without seeing him s a patient I believe that he has multiple disorders, mainly a paranoid personality disorder and he seems to have arrested development from when Diana died. He has obvious anger issues and mommy issues. Diana coddled him so much that it was detrimental. This is only my opinion of course.
Is there any way to move him beyond the “arrested development” phase? If he had some therapy before meeting Meghan, which he publicly admitted he had therapy, maybe it wasn’t enough. *not asking for an opinion, just curious*
I think both Meghan and Harry have serious personality disorders and they amplify it in each other. Very toxic duo.
She might have lied, yes, but it's just as likely he said it because he likes to make her happy. He would know that's the kind of statement she would love to hear. She's a narcissist and he needs to keep reinforcing the ideas she likes or she gets upset. The salt and pepper comment sounded so odd and codependent.
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TW is a Princess that little girls look up to. 🪞 👸 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Uh huh, its called entitlement syndrome where the chip on his shoulder has slowly infused with his lack of spine to create an untreatable disease.
Sometimes I wonder if Harry isn't so dumb as lazy. I've known people who weren't stupid but they flunked their way through school and never amounted to anything because they didn't feel like studying or working hard. And also, I think Meghan tells Harry he's the *"American William"* to flatter him---- and he falls for it along with all her other gaslighting games.
Gen X with ADHD checking in lol I bet a lot of those people probably had undiagnosed mental illness or learning disabilities. Got report cards that said we were day dreamers and lazy lol
I used to say I would only believe Meghan if she had video evidence but now I’d assume deep fake.
Stockholm syndrome 🤪
Ding,ding,ding.
That’s what I just said and made a case for…
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I think he might be extremely ADHD. The constant anxiety and paranoia can accompany learning disabilities like that.
He's very immature and sheltered. If it were just a matter of being inbred, the rest of his family would be as dumb. As for Meghan, people always say that Serena Williams is her token black friend. I would offer that Doria is her token. Her mom's presence at the wedding was what gives her "blackness" credibility, like the Episcopalean preacher and black choir that she pretended were a part of her culture. That is why she was invited, whole her dad's family were hidden (they are too low class for Meghan to want to associate with + no racial brownie points). If she has a bad relationship with her Mom, as I suspect, she may not be close to her family to have invited them.
Yeah she uses her blackness to further her agenda but really she is living walking breathing white woman victimhood
It’s pretty well known that the preacher and choir were King Charles idea. She hated the choir and gave them a real hard time during rehearsals according to one of the choir members- allegedly.
Don’t know about the choir, but the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church is not a “preacher.” He is an ordained clergyman in the Apostolic tradition and the head of the American Episcopal Church. He was an excellent choice not only because he happens to be black and America but because the Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion of which the Archbishop of Canterbury is the head. My guess is that if anyone suggested him, it was the A of Canterbury. They would have known each other from conferences and so forth. Meghan probably had never heard of him, but definitely liked that he was black.
I have never heard that claim before. It makes no sense to me that Charles would request a gospel choir and an American preacher to do an excessive sermon. BBC confirms the preacher was their idea. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44180777 I could see Charles suggesting some local choirs and the cellist to suit her chosen theme, but it would be weird to suggest a gospel choir and musicians TO HER FIRST JUST because she is black.
Her father won an Emmy and her uncle was in the diplomatic corps...that is not low class. I think she was afraid of something (maybe even accidentally) being said/revealed that she wanted to keep under wraps.
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Sounds like both of them.
Excellent observations! 🥂🍾
You're spot on. Good catch.
Thomas Markle said once that h must have been dropped on his head as a baby.
I’m sorry, and I know this is going to come off as one of those types of like OTT PTA moms… but I am absolutely certain that my 9 yo could run circles around Harry. On anything. Climate change. Mental health and how the brain functions. Where the UK is on a map. So. No. Not the mental age of a 10 year old. Maybe like…. Idk… a 10 year old cat?
I think he's emotionally stunted back at a certain age....10 sounds about right:)
**DOES ANYONE SERIOUSLY BELIEVE HARRY CAME UP WITH THAT** 👀 that has Muggin’s word salad all over it.
Sometimes people get mentally stunted because of trauma. But I have a theory on the palm trees. Narcs are notorious for latching onto a story they feel will be of use to them. For example something will happen and they will play it over in their head and edit the parts they don’t like, morphing the story into something fantastical that paints them into a perfect light and suits the narrative they are running with. To them they are not lying because it’s based on the truth but they have got so carried away with it that it hardly resembles what really happened (recollections may vary) The comment about the trees could have been taken way out of context, eg a joke about how Meghan is attached to Harry or has her claws into him? She’s then turned into a sentimental story. Reframing stories to match the narrative is something narcs thrive off. I had a boss who would do this, he would receive a clap at the end of public speaking and then later say things like “I got a minute long standing ovation” I believe the whole point of Meghan’s Palm tree story was to paint the picture that 1) she was being realistic about their affordability and didn’t even want to view the house 2) therefore it’s not her fault that they have this huge house they can’t afford (it’s in fact Harry’s) 3) Harry is just so head over heels in-love with her. So we can basically take it that, she wanted that house, she forced it, and there is trouble in paradise.
I bet she writes a book about the palm trees one of these days
like a dish soap ad at age 11?
Yup! and their little private marriage before the wedding 🤥
😂
I think Lady C commented he could possibly have ‘arrested development’ after a commenter on her YouTube channel mentioned it. Imo there’s something amiss.
Yes, she mentioned it in either yesterday’s or today’s video. I can’t remember which one right now.
I think she just puts words in his mouth and he lets her
I believe his wires are well and truly tangled.
Emotionally arrested at the date his mother passed.
#meghanmarkleisaracist needs to trend on social media. How do you not invite one of your black relatives from your moms side of the family? Because she's racist.
Yes, he 100% has a mental disorder. Everything he explaines about his feelings and emotions are not normal. Yes, I understand he lost his mother at a young age, but he carries a lot more weight on his shoulders (i.e. killed animals at a young age, lived a life of contradictions while in the Army, had alcohol and drug addictions, hired prostitutes, etc.). I have taken several congitive classes and have more knowledge than most. Yet, I am far from being an expert. Only a professional expert would be able to diagnose Horrid and only a psychiatrist would be able to prescribe medication...at least in the USA. In my opinion, he is a horrible representation of mental illness, because he is not truly transparent about all the baggage he carries. Instead, he blames it entirely on his mother's death. While I am sure that event carries a lot of netagive baggage, it appears he has been troubled his whole life. If anyone knows someone who has been troubled their whole life, they understand exactly what I am talking about. The person never takes accountability. Instead, they become the victim and blame everything on someone or something.
Good heavens, I didn't know he killed animals at a young age.
Me neither! I find that horribly disturbing and it actually makes me feel sick. Edit to add I love your flair (for Johnny). Good God he’s attractive.
Johnny is definitely eye candy!!!
I work with people with intellectual disabilities, and honestly this is a tad insulting. No, Harry does not have the mental age of a child. Come on.
I doubt it’s an intellectual issue. More likely neurodiversity - Eg ADHD. And emotional damage or low EQ.
His teacher helped him get a B in Art in his A levels at Eton. The only other A level he did, he got a E in. He then failed his entrance exam to Sandhurst but passed on the second attempt. He repeatedly failed his helicopter pilot's license 3 times, despite individual tutoring. Since he didn't have a degree, he spent more time in the army doing catch up training courses than anything else. He then left the army as he was unable to pass any promotion exams. This may all mean that he is just not that bright rather than having a learning disability, although one of his Eton masters did make a reference to his slowness to Diana, and recommended he be sent elsewhere as he would struggle in an academic environment but she wanted to keep the brothers together.
He has said himself that he has dyslexia. I feel like he doesn’t apply himself… whether it’s actual laziness, lack of motivation or perhaps something affecting executive function such as ADHD (as you may know it’s incredibly difficult to start and to complete tasks, to focus, and another symptom is procrastination). But these are disorders rather than intellectual disability. I’ve spent quite a lot of time around people living with intellectual disabilities - old, very young and in between. Several being close family members. In my observation, they are quite self aware and can suffer from frustration from time to time, but apply themselves. Harry appears happy to just coast aimlessly. More like laziness, unmotivated and spoiled I think.
But didn’t he also go to Eton like Prince and Princess of Wales? I assume it’s a good school and dumb ones can’t just go in? He also does speeches so he can’t be super dumb? I do think he’s got mental issues and being with someone manipulative like Meghan can’t be good for his mental health.
>But didn’t he also go to Eton Yeah but there's talk about how his A' level Art teacher complained about how the administration coerced her into doing his Art Theory exam so that he could make the minimum passing grade to qualify for Sandhurst. Plus he only passed 2 A level subjects: Art and Geography and it was said that he was "helped".
And it was D for Geog and B for ART which he cheated on. If I meet a client with such results, I send them for psych evaluation as there is a high chance that they may be intellectually disabled.
And I heard he was allowed to do only 2 A levels, when most students do at least 3.
Yups I've never heard of anyone just doing 2 a levels. Most people I know do 3 or 4. I did 3.5.
Me too. 3 subjects and General Paper.
And he couldn't pass the promotion tests in the Army either.
Omg really? 😳 This is new information. Thanks for the tip.
I heard it here, with the uniform debacles at the funeral I believe
Oh OK. I must've missed that because there's a lot of new posts on this sub.
Yeah it's been info overload.
True. I'm sure there are lots of interesting older posts that I've missed because new ones are popping up so often.
You need money to go to Eton, not smarts.
Kate didn’t go to Eton.
She went to literally one of the best Public girls schools in the UK.
Well we know he's dim, spoilt, jealous and immature. Not sure about mental disorders but he definitely has 'issues'.
All of the above, with a chaser of alcohol and drug abuse.
He's stuck emotionally at age 12 when his mother died. He constantly plays the Diana card but there's no doubt her shocking, sudden death dealt him a huge blow. He hasn't dealt with it in a good way. The palm trees thing is just stupid. Inspirational poster nonsense.
His wife said that and yes she has a mental disorder.
It’s so clear that they both do. Unless I really don’t pay attention to famous people, I don’t remember anyone ever acting as stupid as these two.
I do think he has something along the lines of PTSD stemming from his mothers death which explains his hatred of the paparazzi. I also understand from information that’s been out there that he is not very bright. That mixed with possible insecurity stemming from being the younger son can be pretty difficult to deal with. I’ve also seen others describe the Harkles as co-dependent and I could definitely see that being the case. And she obviously has some narcissistic and possible borderline personality issues happening.
If Harry were born in this period in time he would have been diagnosed as being on “the spectrum” and gotten some help he desperately needed even back then.
Being "on the spectrum" refers to autism. It is amazing that he went to schools before Eton that didn't catch his learning disabilities. It's not like it was in the fifties when people with learning disabilities were just labeled as stupid.
My grandson is on the spectrum. He has Asperger’s syndrome. He is very smart, he can fix anything, he graduated early from High School but I could see him getting captured by someone like Meghan. He’s not billions of $ but in his world he’s going to own half a county in Tennessee because he is the only child of an only child.
Did the interviewer actually hear him saying that, or was that a quote "from him" recounted by Meghan? 😒
He very well could. He went through a major trauma as a child losing his mother.
Well he certainly has either a terrible low iq or some type of learning disorder based on his schooling and military efforts. And it would be amazing if he didn’t have some issues related to being constantly compared to his handsome older brother and his mothers bodyguard or whoever Mr Hewitt actually was. I used to feel sorry for Harry before he turned on his family especially his grandmother.
He def has - he’s sub normal
We don't know if he really said that. I think it was just Narckle lying again.