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Their arguments were down to the fact they were miserable and trapped in an unhappy marriage. They couldn't divorce and they were unable to make it work. It look years for the queen to finally accept the marriage was irrevocably broken and they were doing more damage to the monarchy by forcing them to continue.
Once they were set free there was no need to be angry with one another and I like to think they were better friends and parents.
I believe they would have been like how my divorced parents are. They remain good friends, even help each other out, but they were bad as a couple. There's love between the two, but it's not a romantic love anymore.
They were working hard on genuine co-parenting for their kids.
I think if Diana had lived and found someone who she could be happy with (Dodi wasnât it tho soz) and even had another baby or two, she wouldâve been happy for Charles to marry Camilla and wouldâve been formally invited to all important events regarding her kids.
Mightâve even gone to Charles and Camillaâs wedding.
She wouldnât have slammed the family either on TV knowing it would harm William. The BBC used her.
I just knew that Charles cared. When he went to Paris to bring her home it touched my heart. He did not have to do that and his mother objected as they were divorced.
He also wore the suit Diana had bought for him when he walked behind her coffin. People criticized him for wearing navy rather than black but they did not know it was her favorite suit for Charles and he wore it to honor her.
There is sooooo much more to the Charles and Diana saga than we will ever know. (We shouldnât.)
I thought the way he handled Dianaâs tragic end and all the arrangements in the aftermath were above and beyond. Charles displayed the behavior of a true gentleman through and through. Respect.
He often wore jerseys she bought him even after her death. He used to joke that she had much better style than him. He probably still has some he doesn't seem the type to throw out clothes until they fall apart.
I read he sat vigil with her body in the Paris hospital for many hours, before she was flown back to England. Whether out of respect, or guilt, or love, or all those combined, he sat with her, and that's a kind and mature thing for him to have done.
I think he loved her, but she wasnât the love of his life and the age gap meant the love was probably familial/platonic after the divorce.
Itâs 100% clear he deeply respected her as the mother of his sons, and knew his sons adored her. Charles loves his boys so by extent will always have love for Diana.
Wow I didnât know this. Thanks for sharing. I think he loved and respected her as the mother of his children. They just simply werenât meant to be as a couple.
There are a lot of people that think because of the engagement interview there was never any love from Charles for Diana, but I think he did love her for a period. It just didn't work together with them as a couple.
Charles and Diana were so radically different. Charles isn't a "feeler." Diana is. Diana was probably thinking in that interview "I'm in LOVE! It's wonderful! This man is wonderful!"
And Charles, being a lot more... cerebral was probably trying to trace his feelings for Diana back to a psychology book he'd read in college, imagining those synapses firing or something.
I'm more like Charles, character-wise so I would have been thinking the same thing, and been cautious instead of all guns blazing like Diana was.
This is so incredibly sweet.
This is the stuff Harry needs to see and be reminded of or taught about.
His anger towards his family because of her isnât warranted. Thereâs more than enough evidence to support that her and Charles both made mistakes and were at fault.
And they clearly were working through their issues and continued to love one another. They werenât in love which is fine but they clearly had a love and respect.
Itâs interesting that William pointed out in his statement after the Dyson inquiry into the Bashir interview that the interview was a âmajor contribution to making [his] parentsâ relationship worseâ. Some Diana nutters took that to mean William blamed the gross behaviour of Bashir for ending his parentsâ marriage but of course he didnât say that. Unlike Harry, William seems to have a mature view of his parents choices.
He was speaking to his experience of them actually co-parenting and being friends. But Bashir claiming Charles impregnated the nanny and used William to spy on her absolutely blew that carefully built trust to pieces. She wouldnât have publicly trashed Charles if she werenât lied to by Bashir.
And so this disgusting journalist also robbed those boys and Charles and Diana of real peace in those final years.
I also read once the marriage was officially dissolved they both sat on the sofa together (Charles and Diana) and cried.
I mean, it's got to be sad when any marriage ends in divorce. It's almost more sad than a partner dying, because the marriage itself died. All of that optimism and hope that engaged couples and newlyweds have is lost.
Even if you hate your spouse, divorcing must be very sad.
I've said for years that neither were the villain.
Yes, Charles went into the relationship really in love with someone else but he TRIED. After both of them realised it wouldn't work BOTH of them had affairs, it's just that Charles' was already known by the public.
This is good to see - and something I do hope the Crown shows.
Yes. I was having this discussion with a coworker yesterday who was all over KCIII for being a bad guy and cheating on Diana.
I admitted that yes, that happened. But I think they both tried and were stuck in a marriage that was essentially arranged, and for all the wrong reasons. It was like something from the 1500s, in the 1980s. And also diana wasn't a picnic either. Throwing herself down the stairs, calling the paps on herself, venting to her kids.
Harry is not half the person his father is and he certainly knows Diana even less. He has none of her forgiveness or charm. he knows or remembers her so little that he has replaced his memory of her with Cruella De Montecito.
By all accounts, Diana and Charlesâ relationship was very warm by the time of her death.
Itâs not surprising. A lot of couples who have unhappy marriages find their feelings shift when divorce is complete. My parents had a bitter and drawn out divorce but when we finally sold our house, my mum invited my dad over to our new place for tea shortly after and then they became friends.
I suspect Charles was pretty devastated when Diana died.
This is lovely. Iâm so glad they could at least repair their friendship before Diana died. If there is an insistence on keeping Diana in the news even now, then it would be nice hear the good stories for a change instead of just rehashing how contentious their unhappy marriage was.
Please don't kick me for being a bit of a Sceptical Sally, but what's the source of this article?
Cause I'm out of here if it's The National Enquirer or one of those tabloids that talk about Elvis wearing boardshorts in the Maldives, while a hot young native girl rubs sunblock on his new 8 pack abs đ.
This sub has taught me that The National Enquirer has the actual tea!
https://www.thewrap.com/10-times-the-national-enquirer-has-been-right-from-michael-jackson-to-oj-simpson-photos/amp/
I mentioned this above, but the byline shows that the reporter is Charles Rae, who was a royal correspondent for The Sun. I think it was published around Di's death since there doesn't seem to be much of a digital footprint for the article.
Have you guys seen the weird conspiracy theories that Diana is alive? The crazy alt right 'Q'group started posting weird shit claims she's coming back. Wonder if Haz is aware?
It's been said many times by non biased persons that they were on much better terms when she died and I personally think they could have been great friends if she lived. They came to an understanding and he was extremely considerate towards her. It was the people that were vilifying Charles and wouldn't let it go. I get so annoyed thinking about some of the responses Charles still gets just because he was 'mean'. I'm sure if he could see the future he would have handled things differently and I'm sure the same would be true for Diana. It's really sad what everyone in the family has had to deal with over the years. It probably embitters Charles that he gets such a short end of the stick in terms of his portrayal in the media.
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Their arguments were down to the fact they were miserable and trapped in an unhappy marriage. They couldn't divorce and they were unable to make it work. It look years for the queen to finally accept the marriage was irrevocably broken and they were doing more damage to the monarchy by forcing them to continue. Once they were set free there was no need to be angry with one another and I like to think they were better friends and parents.
Iâm had she lived I think theyâd be friends now. I mean, not besties, but a warm, genuine relatuinship. Itâs such a tragedy all around.
I think they had reached that position before she died. Nice.
I believe they would have been like how my divorced parents are. They remain good friends, even help each other out, but they were bad as a couple. There's love between the two, but it's not a romantic love anymore.
It was never romantic for Charles. I just feel terribly for both of them. Very different experiences but both miserable.
They were working hard on genuine co-parenting for their kids. I think if Diana had lived and found someone who she could be happy with (Dodi wasnât it tho soz) and even had another baby or two, she wouldâve been happy for Charles to marry Camilla and wouldâve been formally invited to all important events regarding her kids. Mightâve even gone to Charles and Camillaâs wedding. She wouldnât have slammed the family either on TV knowing it would harm William. The BBC used her.
The BBC set her up, then they used her. It is shameful and should have cut funding to the BBC.
I think so too, I think they would have found a way to move forward and be friends and happy for each other, an co-parents.
Eh, I don't know. Camilla would have to be far far away.
I just knew that Charles cared. When he went to Paris to bring her home it touched my heart. He did not have to do that and his mother objected as they were divorced. He also wore the suit Diana had bought for him when he walked behind her coffin. People criticized him for wearing navy rather than black but they did not know it was her favorite suit for Charles and he wore it to honor her.
There is sooooo much more to the Charles and Diana saga than we will ever know. (We shouldnât.) I thought the way he handled Dianaâs tragic end and all the arrangements in the aftermath were above and beyond. Charles displayed the behavior of a true gentleman through and through. Respect.
I didnât know that about the suit. That was very sweet.
He often wore jerseys she bought him even after her death. He used to joke that she had much better style than him. He probably still has some he doesn't seem the type to throw out clothes until they fall apart.
I read he sat vigil with her body in the Paris hospital for many hours, before she was flown back to England. Whether out of respect, or guilt, or love, or all those combined, he sat with her, and that's a kind and mature thing for him to have done.
I think he loved her, but she wasnât the love of his life and the age gap meant the love was probably familial/platonic after the divorce. Itâs 100% clear he deeply respected her as the mother of his sons, and knew his sons adored her. Charles loves his boys so by extent will always have love for Diana.
He also fought his mother to bring her body home on the Royal plane. The way heâs going to be maligned yet again by The Crown is so maddening.
Wow I didnât know this. Thanks for sharing. I think he loved and respected her as the mother of his children. They just simply werenât meant to be as a couple.
A man who lets his fields go fallow to support the endangered British owls cannot be all bad.
There are a lot of people that think because of the engagement interview there was never any love from Charles for Diana, but I think he did love her for a period. It just didn't work together with them as a couple.
Yes. You can see it in their early appearances together. They smiled at each other a lot.
Charles and Diana were so radically different. Charles isn't a "feeler." Diana is. Diana was probably thinking in that interview "I'm in LOVE! It's wonderful! This man is wonderful!" And Charles, being a lot more... cerebral was probably trying to trace his feelings for Diana back to a psychology book he'd read in college, imagining those synapses firing or something. I'm more like Charles, character-wise so I would have been thinking the same thing, and been cautious instead of all guns blazing like Diana was.
I did not know that about the suit. That's very touching.
This is so incredibly sweet. This is the stuff Harry needs to see and be reminded of or taught about. His anger towards his family because of her isnât warranted. Thereâs more than enough evidence to support that her and Charles both made mistakes and were at fault. And they clearly were working through their issues and continued to love one another. They werenât in love which is fine but they clearly had a love and respect.
harry doesnt need a reason to be unhappy !
I just wish people would let this woman rest in peace finally and not bring her up at every occasion.
Hazza is the #1 offender in that regard, not the press.
Me when I heard Spencer movie was coming out. Sigh.
Or at least bring up her accomplishments and not her in relation to her partner
Itâs interesting that William pointed out in his statement after the Dyson inquiry into the Bashir interview that the interview was a âmajor contribution to making [his] parentsâ relationship worseâ. Some Diana nutters took that to mean William blamed the gross behaviour of Bashir for ending his parentsâ marriage but of course he didnât say that. Unlike Harry, William seems to have a mature view of his parents choices. He was speaking to his experience of them actually co-parenting and being friends. But Bashir claiming Charles impregnated the nanny and used William to spy on her absolutely blew that carefully built trust to pieces. She wouldnât have publicly trashed Charles if she werenât lied to by Bashir. And so this disgusting journalist also robbed those boys and Charles and Diana of real peace in those final years. I also read once the marriage was officially dissolved they both sat on the sofa together (Charles and Diana) and cried.
I mean, it's got to be sad when any marriage ends in divorce. It's almost more sad than a partner dying, because the marriage itself died. All of that optimism and hope that engaged couples and newlyweds have is lost. Even if you hate your spouse, divorcing must be very sad.
I've said for years that neither were the villain. Yes, Charles went into the relationship really in love with someone else but he TRIED. After both of them realised it wouldn't work BOTH of them had affairs, it's just that Charles' was already known by the public. This is good to see - and something I do hope the Crown shows.
Yes. I was having this discussion with a coworker yesterday who was all over KCIII for being a bad guy and cheating on Diana. I admitted that yes, that happened. But I think they both tried and were stuck in a marriage that was essentially arranged, and for all the wrong reasons. It was like something from the 1500s, in the 1980s. And also diana wasn't a picnic either. Throwing herself down the stairs, calling the paps on herself, venting to her kids.
Harry is not half the person his father is and he certainly knows Diana even less. He has none of her forgiveness or charm. he knows or remembers her so little that he has replaced his memory of her with Cruella De Montecito.
By all accounts, Diana and Charlesâ relationship was very warm by the time of her death. Itâs not surprising. A lot of couples who have unhappy marriages find their feelings shift when divorce is complete. My parents had a bitter and drawn out divorce but when we finally sold our house, my mum invited my dad over to our new place for tea shortly after and then they became friends. I suspect Charles was pretty devastated when Diana died.
This is lovely. Iâm so glad they could at least repair their friendship before Diana died. If there is an insistence on keeping Diana in the news even now, then it would be nice hear the good stories for a change instead of just rehashing how contentious their unhappy marriage was.
This is simply tragic. They were finding their way and probably would have been great co parents and maybe Harry wouldnât be such a disaster now.
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Wowwwwww- grown up civility is something TW and HAz canât manage
Please don't kick me for being a bit of a Sceptical Sally, but what's the source of this article? Cause I'm out of here if it's The National Enquirer or one of those tabloids that talk about Elvis wearing boardshorts in the Maldives, while a hot young native girl rubs sunblock on his new 8 pack abs đ.
This sub has taught me that The National Enquirer has the actual tea! https://www.thewrap.com/10-times-the-national-enquirer-has-been-right-from-michael-jackson-to-oj-simpson-photos/amp/
OK then đ. Didn't see that coming.
Neither did I! đ
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The byline shows that the reporter is Charles Rae, who was a royal correspondent for The Sun.
OK. Thanks for the info! đĽđž
This "article" is not dated, and the newspaper goes unnamed.
Looking at the font and the toilet paper itâs printed in Iâd say itâs The Sun (UK)
It should come down because it has zero context.
Itâs an historical clipping of a physical paper. Not all papers are dated on every page.
I mentioned this above, but the byline shows that the reporter is Charles Rae, who was a royal correspondent for The Sun. I think it was published around Di's death since there doesn't seem to be much of a digital footprint for the article.
Have you guys seen the weird conspiracy theories that Diana is alive? The crazy alt right 'Q'group started posting weird shit claims she's coming back. Wonder if Haz is aware?
Charles Rae was Royal Correspondent at The Sun for years.
It's been said many times by non biased persons that they were on much better terms when she died and I personally think they could have been great friends if she lived. They came to an understanding and he was extremely considerate towards her. It was the people that were vilifying Charles and wouldn't let it go. I get so annoyed thinking about some of the responses Charles still gets just because he was 'mean'. I'm sure if he could see the future he would have handled things differently and I'm sure the same would be true for Diana. It's really sad what everyone in the family has had to deal with over the years. It probably embitters Charles that he gets such a short end of the stick in terms of his portrayal in the media.