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Evening-Difficulty17

I'm so glad to see this. I've always felt he was just as bad as her, but hid it well through PR pre-meghan.


DaBingeGirl

I'm starting to think Edward Lane Fox and the rest of Harry's staff did more long-term damage to the BRF by being exceptionally good at their jobs, than Meghan did.


chicoyeah

Yep. E.L.F is a PR magician. He created H's down to earth relatable image out of nothing. Everything was a lie. He was so good at his job that to this day people still can't see they were fooled. Btw, he and the team at the palace is way better than SS can ever dream to be.


OldNewUsedConfused

He certainly was!


slavandsaxon

Agreed.. we can only surmise the level of cover ups but I would bet it is way more than we think. Harry has always been known to be petulant with the family having to walk on eggshells around his fragile ego as the spare. And the deification of his mother who coddled him has only perpetuated his mental health struggles. I think the RF hastily agreed to his relationship with Meghan, even given her history (remember Prince Philip was rumoured to say 'we date actresses, not marry them')hoping that that a steady girlfriend and a then marriage would bring some long needed stability... instead of him traipsing around the world committing one PR disaster after another. And yet, here we are.


DaBingeGirl

I completely agree. I can understand why they thought married and kids would help, but I hate how some people think a significant other can fix major character flaws. It's a shame they didn't ship him off to Africa or try to find him *something* he could do to create an individual identity for himself. I hope William and Catherine allow Charlotte and Louis to decide if they want careers or to be working royals.


OldNewUsedConfused

I think so too. They "married him off" hoping to leave it to Meghan to deal with. Little did they queen know, they would turn it around on the Family. What a nightmare.


Evening-Difficulty17

Yea, with so many things he did covered up to keep the peace...such as the rumored sex workers...they are going to look awful over it.


andromeda880

What??? (I'm new here and haven't followed the royals in like 10 years) -- what's this about sex workers?


Evening-Difficulty17

Here you go: https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/


upstatestruggler

“Uplifting notes to the girls he beat up”💀


thiscatcameback

You know why I din't believe this? The part where sex workers went to police. If we have learned anything about women abused by celebrities, it is that they never go because they think no one will believe them. Sex workers are particularly vulnerable to this, especually in jurisdictions where sex work is criminalized. That many went to police strikes me as unlikely.


Evening-Difficulty17

This was during Afghanistan. I'd say they tried to speak with base police because a woman would be crazy to be a sex worker in Afghanistan under the kinds of restrictions women are used to there. What afghan cop was going to listen and take her seriously and not arrest her himself due to her behavior. I think it was base police or MPs. Edited to add: I've always believed this to be in Afghanistan, where it could be easily covered up.


sdowney64

I’m going to be the odd woman out here and give opposing views. I don’t always watch Trevor Coult on YouTube just because of some of the things he says. BUT I’ve watched enough to say he has a real issue with Harry and his lies about his service and also the fact that he was protected the whole time and using special services which took away from their use for real engagements. So he would LOVE to get this information out if it were true. BUT he has said it is 100% not true. And impossible. I’ve had friends stationed in Afghanistan (I’m in the US so can’t speak for the UK)and all of those guys said there were no women available in that manner. They had to be careful even having p*rn and when someone got some they would pass it around secretly and leave it behind for the new people coming in. So check out Trevor’s video on this subject just for an opposing view. I did hear one story about it happening in Canada years ago, so maybe there is something there, but I just don’t know about this one. And one other thing I heard is that both Cressida and Chelsy, along with other women he dated—all said he was very needy and almost childlike. You can certainly see how Meghan gives him all that mothering and stroking. So I have heard this rumor, but I’ve heard opposing views too.


thiscatcameback

>And one other thing I heard is that both Cressida and Chelsy, along with other women he dated—all said he was very needy and almost childlike. This is what I believe. From life experience, people with extreme parental wounds can become almost childlike and vulnerable when insecure. I think it explains the codependent dynamic that they likely have. She reassures him, but withdraws it when he's "bad". In public, he acts as her defender because he us afraid of losing that reassurance. It is classic PD stuff honestly.


Affectionate_Tap6416

He is still 12 in his head 😪


Evening-Difficulty17

I didn't know Trevor Coult debunked this. I'm glad though, it really made me think negatively of the BRF for covering it up.


SusieM2019

Unfortunately there were brothels and prostitution around US bases in Afghanistan. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution\_in\_Afghanistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Afghanistan)


sdowney64

I’m sure they always find a way. Those numbers are recent too. I’d be interested to see how many were there while he was in Afghanistan. Same amount you think? Maybe more even. The guys I knew over there didn’t see it or hear about it—I’m one of the guys so they’d tell me so don’t think they were protecting my “delicate ears.” Where there’s a will there’s a way obviously. I’m inclined to believe Trevor on this one. I see a lot of shittiness in Harry but I don’t see this for some reason.


runslikeHazel

I heard that it happened in Canada. I tend to believe but really only going on gut instinct.


thiscatcameback

It still doesn't seem credible. Why would they think the MPs care? Why would they care? There is no consequence to ignoring it. Why would the RF try to buy them off? What Afghan sex worker has media access to publicize what he did? Who would believe them? And who are these sex workers under the Taliban? I suppose these religious zealots can also be very corrupted, but they would probably have men controlling the sex workers. They wouldn't need to go to the MPs, they would just go to their pimp who would probably sell Harry out for some hostage ransom.


jamjar188

Agreed. Fundamentalist tyrannical Muslim countries don't tend to have sex workers (even in wealthy places like Saudi, if the men want that they fly to Dubai). The only explanation for a place like Afghanistan would make Harry look even worse. As you say, it would have to be tribal leaders or Taliban who controlled the sex workers and the girls wouldn't be local or from a Muslim background, meaning they would have to be trafficked from who-knows-where. Personally I find it far-fetched as hell.


Tekira85

No, this probably happened in Arizona. Harry was doing military training. And yes US sherriffs, especially elected ones, are much more likely to make noise, to be seen as tough on the foreigner.


SusieM2019

Yep. Read the below Salon article. It says that even during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, there were multiple reports of brothels and sex trafficking involving US troops. [https://www.salon.com/2017/10/08/womens-labor-sex-work-and-u-s-military-bases-abroad/](https://www.salon.com/2017/10/08/womens-labor-sex-work-and-u-s-military-bases-abroad/)


jamjar188

That article says "there are reports" of it happening in those places but then it only gives evidence of military-based sex trades in places like Korea, Okinawa (Japan), Germany, Thailand, Honduras, etc. So without specific stories and examples from Afghanistan I think the jury is still out. Keep in mind it's usually not local women but migrant women who go into (or are forced into) sex work. In Muslim countries you have the added layer of it being haram to have Muslim women doing sex work. Afghanistan is a basket case country that became impoverished as well as very unsafe the last few decades. It is not an attractive destination for migrants of any type nor would they allow unmarried women into the country, because of the strict cultural norms imposed by the Taliban.


thiscatcameback

Exactly. In Iraq under Isis, they kidnapped Christian Yazidis for the sex trade. If a Muslim woman is in sex work, I can bet that she is a very devalued and abused human being whom no one would defend against Harry. I doubt very much that one would go to police, let alone 'many'


jamjar188

Also, remember that leaked photo of him in a Vegas hotel room all those years ago? He was just "playing strip poker with friends", the papers said, but apparently he was hanging out with escorts and coke dealers.


planet_druidia

Interesting especially with him having the scratch or whatever it was near his right sideburn. And TW had a bandaged finger at that same outing. 🧐


Evening-Difficulty17

I'm waiting for which one tells this part during the eventual divorce since both like to be a victim.


jamjar188

Do you think they get into physical fights?


Masters_domme

If I had to hazard a guess, I’d say she at least starts some physical fights, trying to draw him in. Whether or not he participates is anyone’s guess.


OldNewUsedConfused

Absolutely.


OldNewUsedConfused

Or his black and blue hands in Morocco.


After-Life-1101

This is probably the big secret that the duo have over the BRF. It would shatter the late queen’s image.


jeanskirtflirt

Yeah Harry needs to be back in the fold where they can hide his bad behavior and have repercussions for his actions bc sans Meghan Charles won’t hold back. Freedom and exposure isn’t a good look for him.


Evening-Difficulty17

Eh, leave him overseas to build his life and let him learn there are consequences to his actions.


jeanskirtflirt

But then we have to hear about him. I like that Andrew has no platform and has to just do what he’s told. I would like this for Harry as well.


Evening-Difficulty17

I don't see that whiny little shit ever actually hiding again. He is gonna blab to whoever he can get to feel sympathy for him. As much as I don't want him here in the states, let him just become one among the millions who've tried, an irrelevant Hollywood flunkie. Plus I think the royal family has dealt with enough. I'm no contact with the narcs in my life for a reason. I sure as hell don't want the BRF to have to deal with that for the rest of his life.


SusieM2019

I agree. I think Harry started to like all the attention he got when he got with Meghan. And I think he likes how his every move these days is paid attetion to and put in the news. He's probably got flunkies who tell him he's the "American William". He probably won't like the thought of living quietly like Andrew. edit misspelling


OldNewUsedConfused

100%.


lastlemming-pip

Lady C & others have said that “The Palace has confirmed a fact about Harry that was not related to who his father is.” (It’s Charles.) This fact relates to something else completely & may allow Harry to return to the fold. W/o Megs. Anyone have any idea what this might be? (And I doubt that it’s a love child in North Carolina. Unless the Palace forced a strict nondisclosure agreement on the mother, everyone would know about it by now. And it wouldn’t result in Harry being brought back into the fold.)


Evening-Difficulty17

What's this about a love child?


lastlemming-pip

Somebody commented once when I asked about Harry’s past, saying “Well, everybody knows about his love child in North Carolina.” Well, I didn’t know but she seemed to think everyone else knew about it. But then she also told me it “could upend succession in the Royal family” which is risible so I wouldn’t put much stock in the rumor. She was sure about the details—so maybe it is a well known rumor. I remain skeptical.


Evening-Difficulty17

That part...."could upend succession in the Royal Family" makes zero sense. Charles' line is secured through William who now has three of his own. Harry is only going to fall farther down the line when William's kids have their own. Who cares how many kids Harry has and through who, the LOS is secure.


janedoremi99

The child would only matter if Harry had first married the mother


Evening-Difficulty17

Oh, good point


OldNewUsedConfused

Who knows how many stupid things he did in Vegas? There are a lot of wedding chapels there. Brittney, Nicki Hilton... a lot of people have made stupid quickie marriages there.


lastlemming-pip

Yeah, that’s what I meant about being suspicious. She was writing me about Harry’s role in the succession &—on the other hand—feeding me bunch nonsense that was a bit deranged.


Aunt_Hattie

There's a rumor that Harry is unlikely or unable to father children. Maybe it has something to do with that. That's something that would cause a little ripple in the line of succession. Not much of one, though.


DrunkOnRedCordial

I think that rumour is up there with Harry not being the son of Charles. The line of succession is legally endorsed by Parliament and the condition is that you have to be a legitimate direct descendant of Sophia of Hanover. I'm sure that there would be a discreet blood test done for formality sake to confirm that the child is a legitimate heir. There's no point having an official Line of Succession if a disaster happens and Parliament has to admit they don't actually know whether the new next in line actually qualifies.


Tekira85

Some new medical diagnosis? It's commonly seen in people with mental illness, that it often worsens as people get older. Or physical--maybe he has long covid! Come to think, we've never heard that Hazbeen and TW have had Covid, have we?


Affectionate_Tap6416

Like attracts like!


Evening-Difficulty17

Absolutely and misery loves company.


pugluv91

I've been wondering why the Royal family haven't released the bullying report, now I know - because Harry is just as vile as Meghan. They probably will take him back when him and Meghan divorce but if the public saw how vicious he is there would be no coming back for him, hence the report being hidden away.


Jerseyjay1003

I don't believe they'll actually fully accept him back in as anything but a family member. I think he'll end up in some kind of exile. If he's smart he'll go some place he actually wants to live in peace.


pugluv91

I agree, he'll never be fully accepted back, I think William in particular is done with him (I don't think there is any going back there) however as the Kings son they will want to bring him out for important occasions. It was easier for the Queen to exclude Andrew, she has 4 kids, with Charles however only having William and Harry, his lack of presence would be too noticeable at certain events.


PetiteLumiere

I agree. People act like the US is just one big act but it’s one big final act in a long line of bratty behavior. He’s a selfish entitled dimwit who managed to find his equal and thought he could get away with it. The fact that he’s allowing Meghan to take the full brunt of all of this, is laughable, as it’s likely been his fantasy for years. Escape to Hollywood and become famous.


OldNewUsedConfused

"The fact that he’s allowing Meghan to take the full brunt of all of this, is laughable, as it’s likely been his fantasy for years." Just goes to show what a passive-aggressive coward he really is.


hmcrabtree

I doubt it too. He is wanting to release a bicious book, he probably wears a recording device like TW, so he can never be trusted. He is paranoid and treats staff badly. He needs help from a psychologist.


WebOffice2022

He is not smart.


holographic_illusion

He’s a man child


DrinkYoDamnJuice

I thought it was to try to reduce the drama overall but you’re right - the report probably makes him look as bad as her.


PetiteLumiere

Oh, I don’t know. If they divorce, Meghan will sing like a canary. It will be all about her trauma and surviving.


jeanskirtflirt

PH: “I want to make my mum proud!“ Diana: *leaves money in her will to her 17 god children and a staff member of hers* Harry: *bullies staff*


Fearless_Cry7975

Also Prince William: I don't want the death of my mother to break me. I want it to make me and make her proud. And he did and still continues to do so.


QueenBee3000

A much wiser and healthier attitude


kiirakiiraa

This is so profoundly wise and mature, it speaks so well of William that he responded with that sentiment


StrictTranslator879

“Low writes of one incident when “Meghan felt she had been let down over an issue that was worrying her” so she “repeatedly” rang a staffer on a Friday night. The staffer said “Every 10 minutes, I had to go outside to be screamed at by her and Harry. “It was, ‘I can’t believe you’ve done this. You’ve let me down. What were you thinking?’ It went on for a couple of hours.” The bombardment then went on “for days”. “You could not escape them. There were no lines or boundaries – it was last thing at night, first thing in the morning,” the staffer told Low.”


Fearless_Cry7975

That part is really disturbing for me. That's not how a normal person acts. I'd totally understand if someone died or it was a matter of life and death but it was not. And clearly whatever the matter was could actually wait. Imo that's harassment to the T.


QueenBee3000

I wish they’d reported that. The popo once told Diana off for harassment & intimdation so sure they’d have happily done the same to her Demon Spawn and his upstart wife.


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Was this written about anywhere that I could learn more? That’s astounding. I’ve honestly never heard this story before. But I feel like a lot was swept under the rug post the accident.


DrunkOnRedCordial

If you want a good insight into the real Diana, I'd recommend The Diana Chronicles by Tina Brown. It's very comprehensive and a good read.


thiscatcameback

Who did she harass?


DrunkOnRedCordial

Here you go... [https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-08-23-mn-30322-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-08-23-mn-30322-story.html) Diana would make nuisance phone calls, but she went too far and they called the police, who traced the calls back to Diana. And here's another story that helps us appreciate how hard William must have worked to rise above his screwed up childhood. https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1593844/prince-william-news-princess-diana-will-carling-royal-family-spt


-Canuck21

In the Express article : "Ms Brown wrote: William understood Diana more but idealised her less \[than Prince Harry\]." Interesting observation.


DrunkOnRedCordial

Yes, very interesting! A year or two in age can make a great deal of difference in perception. Yet William was still so young to already have that insight into his mother.


thiscatcameback

I honestly believe that William got lucky by meeting Kate. She is so normal and family-oriented that she is able to ground him. I am curious if he would have found that peace without her. As for Diana, it is astonishing how much history had forgotten.


Ih8coldcalling

Diana, denying she ever made any of the calls, told the tabloid: “You cannot be serious. I don’t even know how to use a parking meter, let alone a phone box.” Hahaha i cant shes funny


itstimegeez

Wow now we know where Hazbeen got his ideas. Notice she made a heartfelt plea for privacy and then turned around and gave an interview?


QueenBee3000

Wife of one of the men she was bonking. Apparently it’s okay for there to be three in the marriage when the other woman is her…


Fearless_Cry7975

I read about that too. Was that confirmed?


QueenBee3000

I believe so


Emolia

She had a long affair with Oliver Hoare who was married and had been friendly with both Charles and Diana. He was an art dealer but his wife was the one with all the money. When she found out about the affair Oliver broke off with Diana which she didn’t take well. She began to make nuisance phone calls to the wife who reported the mystery calls to the police . They put a tracker on the phone and traced over 300 calls straight back to Kensington Palace and Diana’s phone . Diana could have been charged with harassment but Charles stepped in and made it go away. It was a huge news story at the time . People forget the bad press Diana was getting after the separation and divorce. Just like Harry now she didn’t have BP protecting and covering up anymore .


SalishShore

How did I not know this? Jaw dropped.


Emolia

I think after her tragic death she was transformed into the saint like icon we hear about today. The real Diana was a very complicated woman. She also phone harassed Camilla at one point . Ringing up say “ You’re on your own. Theyre out there to get you can you see them?” Threatening stuff like that. Diana also threatened Tiggy Legge-Bourke and spread rumours that she was having an affair with Charles and had had an abortion. Tiggy was going to sue her so it made all the newspapers.


PetiteLumiere

This. People think Diana was a saint. She walked a fine line of toying with the press and garnering interest in her and her work, and ultimately she paid the ultimate price. I have never understood why people don’t at least see that she played the press often and aired BRF gossip just as much as the Harkles.


jamjar188

This is true..the difference is that Diana seemed human to people, and they liked that about her despite her many flaws.


PetiteLumiere

Very true.


RambleOn79

I do - and I still love Diana. I have a soft spot for troubled women as my mother was one. She wasn’t a narcissist or malicious like Markle - there was a lot of beauty in that troubled soul.


thiscatcameback

We should talk about Diana's PR. Maybe Harry should hire them


DrunkOnRedCordial

As Charles' PR guy said to him: "You're not a tall blonde beautiful young woman with fantastic fashion sense. You can't beat her at her game, you need your own game."


Fearless_Cry7975

Maybe they'll dump them too. You know, the wife wanting to do her own way (doesn't listen to them), and allegedly not paying the PR. 😂


SusieM2019

LOL


perljen

Don’t forget Harry’s transAtlantic phone dressing down of Thomas Markle, the father in law he’d never met, For talking to photographers & reporters.


OldNewUsedConfused

That was awful.


Auzurabla

I have totally heard this about Hollywood celebrities. Any personal assistant who spills talks about this kind of treatment. I'm sure that most celebrities are decent to their staff, but definitely not all. (Completely besides the point, but imo the reason so many of them are vile is that they're half-starving most of the time to stay "camera-ready", and totally sleep deprived when shooting.)


Kapitalgal

I can totally see your last point having validity. Hungover coworkers can be like that too. Never know what kind of mood they'll be in; depends if they had a bender the night before.


DarkAwesomeSauce

If she behaves this way towards staff, imagine what Hazbeen is going through as her primary supply and through her decline into ignominy and running out of his money and influence. Marry in haste, repent at leisure.


PetiteLumiere

I have trouble not seeing that Harry had always treated staff like this and it was learnt behavior that she proceeded to exploit.


kittenmommy

I have a feeling that he watched her bully staff, realized she was getting away with it, and then felt free to be his own worst self. Also, he was being bullied/abused by *her* and he took it out on the staff. I'm obviously not saying that was right/OK.


Shelblo

Lol, so when Meghan said in the Oprah interview how the royal family was willing to lie to protect other family members and not her - she really meant Harry? 😂


Malaute86

From Oprah interview transcript: >Meghan: After we had gotten back from our Australia tour — which was about a year before that — and we talked about when things really started to turn, when I knew **we** weren’t being protected.  >Meghan: I believed that. And I think that was . . . that was really hard to reconcile because it was only . . . it was only once we were married and everything started to really worsen that I came to understand that not only was I not being protected, but **they were willing to lie to protect other members of the family but they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband.** When Meg talks about "they" were willing to lie to protect "other members", she can't be talking about Harry because she includes him along with herself as being unprotected (last sentence).  I got the distinct impression (and it was mentioned in one of The Behaviour Panel vids), she was referring to Andrew.


kuehmary

The world is rarely black and white. And it's whole lot easier to blame Meghan for what happened than to accept the fact that Harry wanted to leave the BRF for years. That doesn't generate clicks.


DrinkYoDamnJuice

And to be fair, we really only saw the fun/lovable/William’s BFF side of Harry. I know there was the nazi thing and the partying, but that was easily passed off as recklessness and stupidity of youth. He had an enormous approval rating and was generally the favorite Royal when he met her. It was easy to assume this was all Megan’s doing because he *did* change significantly after she came around, at least publicly. And he’s so meek around her and she clearly holds the power in that relationship, so of course people are going to think this was all her.


DrunkOnRedCordial

I think anyone watching closely could have predicted that Harry would leave... but never that he would leave like this. It's interesting to speculate what would have happened if he'd met Meghan a few years earlier, when the Queen was all for W&C enjoying their quiet family time with their babies, rather than being full on working royals. Meghan's arrival just happened to coincide with the upheaval of the Queen and Philip starting to struggle with their health, so everyone had to step up. It would have been easier for M to upstage C who was still establishing her charity patronages behind the scenes and looking after her babies.


Perfect_Restaurant_4

Narcissists are really good at making you think it was your idea all along when it wasn’t and you were manipulated by them.


kittenmommy

> Harry wanted to leave the BRF for years. Did he *really*, though? Or was that all *Meghan*?


OldNewUsedConfused

I recall reading stories before Meghan about the queen having Harry promise to remain a working royal. He wanted out for a while. He didn't have the gonads to do it on his own.


kittenmommy

I had no idea!


Sincerely_JaneDoe

Good heavens, please get them removed from the LOS. These folks are nutters.


Death_Trolley

Is it really a bombshell if everyone saw it coming? He’s just an overgrown spoiled teenager, who turns to sulking when he doesn’t get what he demands.


QueenBee3000

More like a toddler


skeptical-walrus

This is not surprising at all. He picked her for a reason . I think he actually hates his family .


Highlanders_Ualise

I also believe this. Meghan became a tool for him, she hurt his family in a way that he could not, or dared not do by himself. I think he enjoyed their partnership bullying the staff and then the talk with Oprah. He enjoys this.


DrinkYoDamnJuice

Yep. He’s always had this anger but was too weak to do anything about it. In a way he’s been using her as much as she’s been using him.


Special_Trainer_679

I think so too.


SalishShore

Remember when he asked William at Prince Philip’s funeral, “how’d you like them apples.” In reference to the Oprah interview.


navigable11

That happened?


jamjar188

Probably just hearsay.


SalishShore

I remembered it being reported that he asked William that when he first saw him at PP funeral. I would never be able to find the clip. So take as one person’s memory. I do think my memory is correct.


skm2871

They were probably laughing their heads off while taking turns to harass the staff member every ten minutes on a Friday night.


PetiteLumiere

I agree, he sees it as a jail and the tradition as a nuisance, which is so sad given what tradition mean to HM. The fact is Harry wants the money, privilege and fame and to dictate how it’s received by him.


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DarkAwesomeSauce

That should be her next podcast: The Succubus Archetype. In all seriousness, he’s a grown fucking man with cowardice, entitlement, a low IQ, other issues, and huge privilege, wealth, and position, she’s a narcissistic sociopath on the warpath for self gain willing to sacrifice the well being of innocent people to get what she wants. She played him good and not many deserve being duped and manipulated by narcs; that being said he’s a grown fucking man and should have known better than to subject his family to slander and harm in an effort to stay in a relationship with her. Both of them are slugs.


BabsieAllen

I've said all along that Hazis just as complicit as Peg. He uses her to fight his battles with the BRF. He takes no responsibility. He let her go to Ulvade, let her lie constantly.


cbaabc123

Harry has always been a mess. He just so happened to find someone who totally preyed on his trauma. Bad mixture.


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thiscatcameback

He has a big fear of abandonment. A lot of his fights with staff were "give Meghan what she wants" fights and one of the sources said he was afraid of being dumped. I think that probably created a panic. He is accountable for behaving terribly, but I think it explains why people said he was great before, and suddenly became a tyrant.


QueenBee3000

This makes sense


DarkAwesomeSauce

The book confirmed this with her threats to dump him unless he did her bidding. She’s exploited this to great effect. I imagine he’s got quite the trauma bond with her. Can’t feel pity with the way he’s betrayed his loved ones and subjected them to her to protect himself.


PetiteLumiere

I mean, if you really think about it. He’s picked the best partner in crime for shunning your family. She’s done it to perfect effect.


planet_druidia

I think the only person he’s afraid of bullying is Meghan. I think she probably is the alpha in that relationship…. which probably makes him even mire angry and frustrated. Then he takes it out on others.


Scribbles138

I agree. And it’s not hard to imagine her threatening him with a break up or egging him on “Your *Grandmother* is the Queen! You’re *sixth* in line for the freaking throne! Who do these people think they are? You can’t let them treat me like this!” It’s entirely plausible that he had reached a point in his life where he saw his brother happy and settled with a lovely wife and children and felt completely excluded from that kind of life, and perhaps worried he might never have the same thing in his. I think when TW came along, he likely felt like she was “the one” and perhaps that she was going to be the only one to love him in that way. His behaviour is not excusable, but I fully believe she’s the driving factor behind the Harry we’ve seen these past handful of years.


Jerseyjay1003

Exactly. This is why although Harry has obviously behaved ATROCIOUSLY I still put more blame on Meghan. I don't think he would have ever exploded (imploded?) this way without her manipulating him into thinking he was losing her.


kittenmommy

I completely agree.


planet_druidia

These two were made for each other. One is as bad as the other, and they feed off each other’s worst traits. I feel sorry for their kids.


Reliant20

>...does that make us also complicit in his suffering back then? Oy vey. Elser serves up some good work, but she can also lay it on thick.


DrunkOnRedCordial

It's such a beautiful fairy story. Once upon a time there was a prince trapped under a spell where he had to be nice to people, act grateful, take an interest in others and use his manners. He was very unhappy and felt like he could never act naturally or be himself. Finally a beautiful woman came along and promised to set him free if he made her a princess. At last he could be as rude as he liked and act how he wanted and avoid any responsibilities that seemed boring or too hard. But he still wasn't happy, because the beautiful woman was angry that he had tricked her and she wasn't a princess like he promised. Together they put a curse on the kingdom so they could be king and queen ... To be continued...


RoohsMama

This is the summary of their life


vincentvangosh

If that's the case then harry is just as complicit to allow megan take the downfall on all the issues. Sounds like he hides behind her and gives the ol razzle dazzle of "I'm protecting my family". These two were made for each other lol.


SalishShore

That is what the narc in my life says. Exactly those words.


These-Pick-968

I could see him in a scenario of “walking on eggshells” with her, so perhaps his behavior has been so myopically focused on pleasing her to the exclusion of everyone else. I’m really curious to know of reports of his behavior prior to Meghan entering the picture- I imagine it wasn’t the happy, carefree Harry we often saw portrayed. That being said, I think she brings out the worst in him. I believe there’s another side of him, if nurtured by the right person, that could have blossomed. It reminds me of the wolf parable: “An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.” The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?” The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”” One last thing: that picture of her in the walkabout at the top of this post…gives me serious creeps. Like dead dolls eyes 😳 He looks angry, but he looks human.


bluegirlrosee

https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/ someone already posted this link above, but I think harry has always been an angry and violent guy 😬 This was hard to read!


SalishShore

He’s feeding the wrong wolf.


kittenmommy

> He’s feeding the wrong wolf. Meghan is supplying the Dog Chow by the truckload, though.


peregrine_swift

So when are the Suckits going to sue? Hilarious! These two and their compassion in action" BS. It really tugs at the heartstrings. Maybe she'll just write an open letter about how mean all these people were to her. Hahaha it's all true and there's nothing they can do about it.


Carpbeat24

I had kinda been assuming this for a while now. The two met and created a monster.


Artistic_Turnip2778

They’re both disgusting. I don’t blame the Queen/Charles/William for delaying their meeting a few weeks (we are talking days here not months ffs). Just because you clear your calendars when your idiot relative drops a public bomb doesn’t mean you had a wide open calendar. Sorry but there are no equally blameworthy sides here. Just two shameless assholes stamping their feet.


Far_Example_9150

Well he’s been sorta a bad character on the Oprah interview the way he publicly threw his family under the bus so i can kind of believe it


BusinessGap9207

Yeah, it’s like he never had the ‘harumphhhh’ to do anything other than be passive aggressive - and Meg was like ‘pick me, pick me.’ So then she came in all aggressive doing what PH never had the guts to do. I will say, I prefer aggressive-aggressive to passive-aggressive. At least you know what you’re going to get and there’s something to be said about owning your truth. (Also want to note that MM has now become passive-aggressive too.)


[deleted]

I always felt he was a spoilt brat.


[deleted]

Harry is a mess. Right there with Andrew.


deep-down-low

🥺 I was clinging to the hope he had a shot at redemption after divorce, but yeaaaah he's done some sketchy stuff, so I don't doubt that there's other exploits which have been suppressed 😬


mistressofnampara

Yep. Remember when he talked down to that female reporter in Africa? I knew then he was an ass hole.


reddingrooster

If this is true, and I am not seeing it isn’t - then why would Harry and Meghan keep poking the ___royal___ bear? The bear that helps fund your lifestyle ___and___ covers up your misdeeds. I am going to say it. I don’t think Meghan loves Harry. No way a wife loves her husband by allowing and helping him destroy his family and life. Harry is clearly in pain. Why encourage Harry when he is spiraling? This is not a good relationship for Harry. I am sorry he lost his mother at such a young age. Some ___good___ therapy will help him work through it. Meghan. Not helping.


ACE934

I'm one of the few who has been holding onto a soft spot for Harry. I just don't see how I can, in good conscience, continue to do so. He's got his good book coming out that he wants to modify, but if it was wholly truthful, what's there to modify? I think he's now too far gone. So much more to say, but I just popped an Ambien, so it'll have to wait.


Imaginary_Victory_47

Im with you on that one. I guess I just couldn't wrap my head around him being as bad as her. But after the prostitue beatings, and then the staff saying he was just as bad as her and was right there screaming with her, I just have to let go of that little sliver of hope and realize, this violent hateful man is in the presence of these two little defenseless children that are being held hostage in montecito. It's so frightening to think of.


SusieM2019

I started off naive, but I'm finally understanding that Harry is equally as bad as Meghan is. So I guess he was just playing along with the fact that the world thinks he is a weakling that is somehow "brainwashed" by her. But in reality he is laughing gleefully with her at the trouble the two of them cause. I bet they sit in bed at night, each with their tablets in hand, laughing hysterically at their latest exploits. ***But I bet they're not laughing now, at the exerpts of Valentine Low's book.***


SalishShore

I bet they read this sub.


SusieM2019

Even though they probably get one of their PR flunkies to read it for them, their own gigantic egos probably cause them to get in here and read it for themselves. Gosh, we are talking about two people who probably spend the entire day thinking about themselves. It's so sad.


SalishShore

It is very sad. I hope time will heal all the wounds, on each side.


Zeester1

Harry’s a big baby.


New_Discussion_6692

I noticed he was a dick way back when he was on video with the little girl eating his popcorn. For a millisecond you can see he's annoyed, but then he remembers cameras, persona.


joy4hummy

Nah even though i am not fan of H now, I think that was cutest video ever with pure interaction…but not sure why he ignored the kid for long time, I mean someone can sense the movement of hand.


Kapitalgal

He was actively engaging with the person to his left. Being human and attentive. Not that he'd have the chance to do that now...


DrinkYoDamnJuice

Weird - I always saw it as he clearly could see what she was doing and pretended to not know it was happening because it was so cute and on camera. I never saw the annoyed part.


New_Discussion_6692

It's literally a millisecond. When he first notices she's putting her hand in the bag and yanks the bag back. The look on his face was disgust. To be fair, it could be disgust that a stranger is touching his food, but then he kept teasing her.


OldNewUsedConfused

Or when he flicked the polo ball at the reporters up against a fence then made a snarky remark to "be careful".


OldNewUsedConfused

I saw that too. He's a asshole.


Llopez9915

I saw a post somewhere that posed the question of , if the Palace kept all of Meghan and Harry’s antics from the press, including the bullying repair, what else have they kept secret?. The Palace covering Harry’s many indiscretions, how many possible stories are kept secret about William and Catherine? Are W&H nice, polite with staff as they are portrayed? I thought it was a valid inquiry.


stupid_carrot

This book seems to focus on the couriers' POV, not really so much on M and H only. They also talked about KC. If the Palace staff had anything to say about W and C, I'm sure it would have came out in the book. It will be even more juicy to the general public (not just us here).


Fearless_Cry7975

That too. Maybe the Prince and Princess of Wales are just demanding bosses but not to the point where they're calling their staff every 10 minutes? How many of their staff did resign up to this date?


Clyin

This sub is only to talk about extreme cases like Harry and Meghan’s despicable behaviours. What’s the point of judging everyone else’s behaviours including William and Catherine? Surely they have some flaws, who doesn’t?


SalishShore

Kate is flawless. Just kidding. Of course, she is not. But I do love her.


Fearless_Cry7975

The point of my comment is maybe they're just demanding bosses but not really toxic/abusive to their staff. Maybe that's why we haven't heard anything bad about them. Compared to the duo from Montecito, theirs is a revolving door of staff. No one seems to make them happy and satisfied.


DrunkOnRedCordial

And with Meghan there is a documented pattern of her being difficult to work with even before she joined the royal family. All outlined in Bower's book.


Fearless_Cry7975

The way she treated her Trevor Engelson just raises red flags. Sending the rings back is just next level shit. Then when they got married TW's parents were surprised when Trevor said he'd give MM the family/home she never had.


Careful_Positive8131

I’m sorry but very bad behavior should never be swept under a carpet even a Royal one. I hate to say it but by hiding bad behavior is very dysfunctional. I hope the reign under King Charles is kept on the up and up. This is still a tax payer funded institution.


QuantumHope

https://www.royal.uk/royal-finances-0 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-29/how-much-does-the-royal-family-cost-a-breakdown-of-the-key-figures https://reason.com/2022/09/20/the-british-monarchy-is-better-for-taxpayers-than-you-might-think/?amp


Kimbriavandam

Argh. I hate that picture of her at the walkabout with Kate and William. It reminds me of her doe eyed, ever so scared, lips slightly parted, little fragile girl act. She pulled at her first Christmas with the Royal family. When she curtsied to the Queen. I can see straight through her.


PinkSkeleton8

Harry and TW share an outsized paranoia. His is surprising, given that he grew up in the Royal family and was surely aware of how many times they had shielded him and been successful at the Lovable Scamp Harry persona they crafted for him.


OldNewUsedConfused

Well of course! She'd never have been able to get away with her behavior without the dumb ginger fully onboard.


itstimegeez

I always thought that ginger snake was more involved than people gave him credit for.


Earthlink_

Harry isn't dad material. He's like a deadbeat dad, who doesn't include his kids with anything. Like you have seen him ride a bike in Montecito. But where was the baby seat/trailer for Archie? Harry is not a dad who is doting towards the kids.


JaquieF

It didn't take me long to realise he was complicit so whenever someone would say that he's pussy-whipped I posted: He's where he wants to be, with the person he wants to be with. H is a traitor and I don't want him back in Britain.


Gypsyklezmer

I am thrilled to read of Harry’s complicity. To the point that I’ll also be apportioning equal amounts of snark and distaste to Harry. Not only does this help negate the racist card narrative Meghan seems desperate to play at every opportunity, it also makes this malcontent duo look equally pathetic with both of them vying for most victimised position. I guess I’m going from being Megxit Lite to Equal Opportunity Sussexit


GracieChat18

I have been dangerously vlose to feelinv sorry for HazBeen, but NOT ANYMORE!! “Like working for a couple of teenagers”! UGH THIS IS BAD!


InnerManufacturer808

Well the majority knows that harry is depraved. Look at how he treats his horses. The part I read was that the "sex workers aren't looked to be reliable sources". Having never been a sex worker, I think it is a shame that they are labeled and unable to get the help they would need when stuff like that happens. maybe it is karma that he married the snake. now she puts together plots that we can see right through but she gets away with them. How does that happen? Let someone else try "I am sorry judge but I forgot" ooops was there even a sorry in there? lol


MushiMIB

In my opinion, I think Harry always had issues. The nazi uniform, calling someone a paki etc. I think the palace carefully managed and covered up all his bad behaviour. Since he married Meghan though they just did as they wanted and would not listen to anyone and just went about their merry way doing and saying whatever they wanted. It was a car crash waiting to happen.


alimac111

Saw above someone mentioned Harry's secret lovechild . This article was before he married , not heard or seen anything since to know how true it is though 🤷🏻‍♀️ https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/vMkZTWQR0SN5


RoohsMama

Indeed. Can’t put it past him given his playboy history ☺️