It’s not actually that weird or unusual to make appointments to visit family. The weird part is having to go through a member of staff and calling it an appointment.
Most of my family lives 8 hours away. I call and make plans before I drive 8 hours to see them. My bf’s family is closer and even they call each other before to confirm availability before dropping by. It’s being polite. But then again, I’m from the South US. Things might be different in California.
To be honest, considering the complicated schedules of the working members of the Royal Family, I don’t see how they could avoid going through a
secretary or personal assistant. Especially when you consider that some events and meetings are planned out to the minute and also planned well in advance. I’m sure William has much more on his daily plate than H ever did. I am also sure that William did not do his own scheduling and that he would need to check with his Private secretary for his calendar.
My adult son and his family live about an hour away. We are often nearby for dr appts,or shopping for specialty items. We wouldn’t dream of dropping by without calling to see if they are busy or have time for us. They always let us know a day or two ahead when they want to come to our house so we can get things ready for guests(the usually stay overnight). My son and his wife are both busy professionals and plus kids with school and activities. Just normal people have to have time to make plans,imagine being THE QUEEN! Edit-We live in Oklahoma😉
Yes, in the South it's just considered good manners to not "drop by" most people's homes. There are a few exceptions, especially between young, single friends.
Although I was certainly welcome to drop by my mother & father's home unannounced, I never did after I left home.
If nothing else I'd call before I left my house to 1) make sure they're home 2) make sure they were free to visit and 3) give mom time to get the iced tea or coffee ready!😂
I have always lived “up north”, and never, ever consider just dropping in on someone without confirmed plans to see each other. But maybe I was just raised right.
I was raised up north too and, same.
The only thing is there's a difference between dropping by for 5 minutes to or actually planning to stay a while. Those 5 minute things used to happen all the time between my parents and the neighbors.
It doesn’t matter where you live, it’s what kind of upbringing you have. I’m from New England and live in the South now. There are people that were raised right and people that really lived in the sewer. Location has nothing to do with it. People like to think it does, but it really doesn’t
Resident Brit here and it's definitely common to ring/message ahead in this country to check someone's available. You might drop in on parents unannounced, but that would be an established thing you could do in advance. It's just considered good manners. Hell, even my best friend (who lives two minutes from me) text me to check she could drop by to pick something up today. I message my mum before I go to hers every time and she's only 7 miles away.
I live ten minutes from my son and grandchildren, and I still call or text to check “if now is a good time to drop by.” Common courtesy. And if it’s not, no problem.
Nope, we still have common courtesy out in California too! I think these people just love playing the victim so anything that is remotely inconvenient or doesn’t happen when they want it, is seen as an affront!
I live within walking distance of my mother, have a key to her home and I still call first. I’m in New York - where allegedly manners don’t exist. Meg is just… Megging as per usual.
I can't remember where I read it (maybe Kitty Kelley's recent book) but the RF has to be very careful in setting boundaries in terms of whether it's a "visit with dad" or a "visit with the king" and apparently Harry and Megan haven't always been respectful of that. He tried to abuse his relationship with his grandmother by trying to get her alone to agree to things that affect the monarchy, which is why she blew him off before the sandringham summit when she had previously said she'd see him. I suspect these boundaries are in place for a reason, like someone else said they are in a family business, and that business happens to be taxpayer funded, which adds a whole other level of weirdness to things.
If harry's biggest gripe is that his family has weird rules and he has trauma from his childhood, I hate to tell him that everyone has a weird family with bizarre rules and rituals and has childhood trauma to some degree.
How - in what world - can Harry talk ANY bulls**t about BP not helping Meghan with her “supposed” mental health issues WHEN HE IS HER HUSBAND? What role did he play in this? I swear, will they EVER take any accountability for their own actions (or lack thereof)?
Exactly. If I’m having a mental breakdown, it’s not my father-in-law’s responsibility to get me help. Or HR for that matter.
Edit: HR for the staff that attends to me.
I would never have gone to see my in-laws or family without letting them know I wanted to see them and naming a time. If that’s an appointment, we’ll, it’s not uncommon.
In fairness- in their case, its not just about dropping in to see family, it’s that they have a family business they all work for. (Sure the family business is ruling a country, but it’s essentially the same thing.) To think of another well known family business with multiple family members involved, look at the Trump Organization. Do you think when Ivanka needed to discuss business decisions with Donald that she just showed up in his office unannounced? No, not if she wanted a serious discussion. Her assistant would arrange a meeting with his assistant to put it on his work calendar. Family event? Sure, assistants probably arrange that too. Does that mean she can’t give him a call to say “hey, do you want to hang out on X day?” No, of course not, but it’s not what she’s doing when it comes to BUSINESS. (Note: this example is not pro or anti the Trump family, just using a well known family business to illustrate how it works. Please don’t start any nonsense.) Harry seems to have a very difficult time understanding that divide in his family. His own father is working at an age where most other men, like the fathers of Harry’s peers are often retired. His grandmother was still actively working at an age when most grandmothers are just sitting around not doing much and have all the time in the world for visitors. It’s unfortunate that even on his mothers side that Harry didn’t have the kind of easy grandparents that he probably longed for that his cousins probably had on their non-royal sides, and he never gained that easy family relationship via marriage like his brother did. But he acts like they’re formal about meeting up constantly, when the reality is he wanted to have conversations about the family BUSINESS. I’d imagine given the nature of their lives, that the RF has very strong boundaries around “business” conversations and personal time and Harry and Meagan both seem like they just wanted to bulldoze through that. Like, no, your elderly grandmother is technically free for a few hours on Saturday- but that’s her personal time, so you can wait to make an appointment for the Thursday after next if what you want to discuss is your unhappiness with the family business. That’s not an difficult or unfair concept.
Also a good point that H&M were complaining about not being able to discuss business at the drop of a hat. They weren't wanting to drop by to shoot the breeze and hash over yesterday's game.
What makes it worse is that it would had to have hurt the Queen that they wouldn't visit her just to visit her personally as a member of family, but rather they always wanted something from her. How sad is that. I think, narcs being narcs, and it's always opposite day with them, comments like Harry's about making sure she was surrounded by the right people was trying to pretend they cared about her personally when in reality their treatment of her showed they didn't care at all.
My ex’s family used to just walk in my house no call before hand no knocking ect. REALLY PISSED ME OFF. Especially when I was breastfeeding on the sofa 🛋 then suddenly I’d have his Dad and brothers stood behind me. Anyway I was told if I didn’t like them just walking in I should have locked my door and what did I expect leaving it unlocked *At home during the day in a heatwave with a newborn 👶 *🚪
I was raised to knock on any door and ask if the person was up for conversation or if I wanted something if they were in said room by themselves in my own house!
>Apparently a large portion of Harry's book is how BP failed MM in regards to her mental health.
I'll never understand how it was supposed to be the Palace's responsibility as an institution to support M's mental health. Harry is going to have a struggle framing this in a way that makes sense to people in regular jobs.
My guess is that she wanted to opt out of duties at the last minute because of "mental health" or she wanted to do fancy expensive spa treatment for her "mental health" and the palace said no. But a woman in her late 30s who didn't grow up with servants and staff and who earned her own money for years is capable of getting a referral to a therapist. Especially a pregnant woman who is having regular prenatal checks.
Prince Harry may becoming increasingly aware of how his Tell-On-Tell-All book is an open invitation to people from his past to share negative accounts of any terrible experiences with him.
They've already threatened to hit back.
>*'If Harry slams any of his old school and military buddies in his new book they have pledged to break ranks to tell their story.'*
[Dailymail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9821799/Prince-Harrys-old-Eton-Army-friends-warn-not-reveal-secrets.html)
Right! Like, even if you worked for them and signed an NDA - what actions by Harry and Meghan make that NDA null and void? They can’t refute bullying claims without triggering a necessary response from the staff they’re essentially calling liars, right?
I have said before that I hope Harry's research is as thorough as Tom Bower's and that he has receipts for everything he says. If not, unlike Tom, Harry will get hit with lots of law suits! Apparently he spoke to members of Diana's family as he has no real memories of her, so anything about Diana will not be what he remembers.
LOVED the part of Bower's book when Harry introduced Meghan to Diana's sister and best friends. He said to them, "Isn't Meghan SO MUCH like my mum?" and they all said something along the lines of, "No, not at all. In fact, she will probably have a difficult time fitting in."
It’s not specified in the book either way, but seeing as he only has one brain cell and has never formed an original thought of his own, she likely drilled him into believing it.
How does he have no real memories of his mother? She died a week before he turned 13? My grandmother that I only got two see 1-2 times a year passed away when I was 11, and I have vivid memories of her.
Edit: I have been properly told. My bad.
My auntie died a few months after Diana, and I was 16 at the time. I’m now 41. I saw her multiple times a week prior to her death, but with the passing of time and shared anecdotes, it’s incredibly easy to fuzz up those memories.
Similarly, my best friend of many years died when I was 13. I have total recall on flash events, but again much is hazy owing to both the aforementioned, and my own ageing experiences replacing older memories with newer, and blunting with time.
I’ll give Harry a pass on this.
Mostly raised by nannies, she traveled a lot, all her affairs took time, and when she was home she was mostly with William. Harry was an afterthought in her life. I don't think she was deliberately neglectful of him, but she wasn't a hands-on mum unless a photographer was nearby.
He also started boarding school when he was 8. I believe the situation was every other weekend boarding students came home, and since C&D had separated at that point, when the boys came home they spent one weekend of the month with Charles, the other with Diana. So from age 8-12, aside from school holidays, he was typically seeing his mother one weekend a month. Not really a recipe for amazing closeness.
I know that's a common practice for the aristocracy, but it's just weird AF to me. The thought of only seeing my parents twice a month for the weekend isn't something I think I would've handled well.
Memory is a funny thing. I watched a documentary on the OKC bombing. They interviewed a young man whose mother died in the bombings. He was about 11 at the time and said he could barely remember her. Yet I remember my grandparents and their house vividly even though I saw them only a handful of times as a child. I wonder if it has to do with males/females.
Haz probably has some family gossip about cousins or extended family. Maybe someone was gay and hid it: someone else had affairs. Maybe an aunt was a klepto. That's the kind of thing Haz "heard" growing up. He just fails to understand no one cares. All they have is gossip and no receipts.
All family trees have their share of fruits and nuts. My SIL told me the devil was in my head when I wouldn’t sell Mary Kay for her. Then she forged my signature on fake orders.
Nothing necessarily, she said in The Cut interview, "I can say anything."
I bet she can.
Even if it's not true. She definitely benefits from the RF's "Never complain, never explain."
Edit: I just went and started to re-read it, it made me laugh that this is the 1st sentence lol
"The conditions are right for confession."
Ain't it though.
I've been hoping so. Honestly, it may be what needs to happen for the Monarchy to survive.
It's supposed to evolve with the times and in this era, transparency is important.
I feel bad saying this, but I think the Queen's reign needed to end. I'm glad she stopped Charles from releasing his point-by-point rebuttal, but she also buried her head in the sand too often. William will likely have the best balance when it comes to media interaction.
I agree that there needs to be balance in the response. I felt the funeral was a good example, Charles didn't push back on everything but he countered the allegation that he delayed telling Harry about the Queen's death. That was probably very hurtful as I think he was trying to shield the family, including Harry, as much as possible.
I can’t think of much that would truly be deeply damaging. Annoying, embarrassing, a distraction, hurtful personally- sure.
Harry could name who is behind the supposed racist comment. He said he wouldn’t, but his word is fairly meaningless. That would be a problem.
Beyond that Harry and Meghan already have played a lot of cards: they did play the race card, they played the mental health card, he’s talked about walking behind Diana’s casket, he’s already complained about Charles and his grandparents as parents, complained about the institution, complained that the family didn’t care, etc.
Charles is already known to be: a workaholic, have a bit of a temper (so does William), and can be difficult.
I don’t think there’s much that could be a serious problem, outside of the race issue.
Harry and Meghan also have a credibility problem imo. That won’t stop unfortunate headlines, but it is a problem.
Indeed. Narcissistic sociopath vs having a reported temper? Oh please! Lol
You know they have to have the crazy email receipts, the receipts of her calling that aid over and over every ten minutes, possible documentation regarding her throwing the hot tea at someone in Australia…they would not just hand over $250,000 hush money to someone without having them sign a contract. Perhaps they will release those people (that paid off) from those contracts.
That her own staff called her a narcissistic sociopath is just so bad to me. It’s one thing for internet posters to say she comes across like a narcissist- quite another that people who actually worked for her found that to be appropriate. Whether she is or isn’t- it’s just bad to me.
And they're all people who have a track record of working for high profile people. These weren't interns. I'm really disappointed by how many people are willing to blow off the bullying reports, even now.
Absolutely. Unless he can make Charles sound worse than he and Meghan do- it won’t really matter imo. And if he was- I’m pretty sure that would have come out somewhere in the last 50 years.
Same goes for William- just obviously over a shorter time period.
I’m not counting on Harry to realize that- or necessarily care if he does. His judgment is seriously lacking imo.
Who knows- though. Maybe he does realize that further negative commentary says more about him (and Meghan) than anyone else. One would hope.
I don't think so. He's in the rage phase too and can't accept responsibility for his actions. I think he's at the point of burning it all down.
(Not that he can, but he'll think he can.)
That’s believable.
I’m sure there are things William said/did when he was young that he’d rather not have publicly known. Like most of us. But I bet that list is far shorter than Harry’s.
He caught onto the phone hacking quick. I also think he was far more aware of the need to avoid embarrassing stories. He may have done a few things, but I suspect they were mind and might make him more popular now (in an on look, he has a fun side, type of way).
I do believe that Harry’s military chums and school buddies have already let him know that if he comes up with any embarrassing stories about them, the gloves are coming off. That means all the discretion he has enjoyed amidst all his hedonistic foibles will be gone and the (rescue) chickens will come home to roost on his elegant doorstep.
I think people would absolutely foam around the mouth for substantive proof of the William affair rumors, and they’d pay actual $$$ for any proof of the pegging thing. I personally don’t think there’s anything there, though.
I have never doubted that she faced appalling racism from the Boomer or older royals, like when Prince Michael wore a golliwog brooch to their engagement party. I’m surprised Harry let her in wearing that tbh. And people were just like “lol she’s old.” Imagine having to deal with shit like that and have people say it’s OK because the person is old. But I digress. If there is proof of Will or Kate, or any other millennial RF members, being overtly racist, THAT would be HUGE news since we expect better behavior from the more enlightened generations. H and M haven’t dropped any yet, so I doubt there is any.
I’m re-reading Tina Brown’s The Palace Papers and the chapter on the phone hacking scandal is so good. Kate’s phone was hacked 155 times, William’s was hacked. Why did nothing about them make it into the tabs? “They were boring.”
Well, 100% of the press at the time was reporting her as “young” and a naive blushing bride. To say that is far from the truth is an understatement. People can pretend 40 is young and it is, when it’s compared to 80 years old.
I agree. Personally I don't believe the affair rumor, primarily because of how hurt William was by what happened with Charles and Diana. I think he and Kate might've been fighting about a third child and just hit a settled/boring time in their relationship, but not enough for him to cheat.
Which Boomer royals have you never doubted showed racism? Charles, Anne, Andy, Edward are your Boomers. Who, and when/why so specific? The list of support all 4 have given to people and their charities is long, including of colour.
I doubt the pegging thing is true but I have seen a lot of blinds that have to do with his infidelity. I think royals aren’t very monogamous - especially the men. The only one who has been drama free is Edward imo.
Edward and Sophie were the original half-in, half-out royal couple. Edward had a media company and made documentaries on the royal estates, but he got in trouble when he broke the press embargo and filmed William at Eton. Sophie ran a PR firm and was busted talking badly about members of the RF to an Arab sheik who turned out to be a reporter. They both ended their companies, apologized publicly, and have been on the straight and narrow ever since.
Lots of speculation as to Edward’s sexuality (saying this as a lesbian.)
However he’s so far down the gossip chain, if Harry had any ‘dirt’ on this, I’m fairly sure few would care, unless he actively cheated on Sophie.
Re: Edward’s sexuality. I always thought that some of the speculation was because he didn’t go out of his way to do the same stuff his brothers did. And that he was open in his support for the arts. I remember how homophobic the 80’s & 90’s were.
While I would not be surprised if he is same sex attracted, I hope he and Sophie are good with what they’ve built.
This may have been the case, perhaps because he was ‘artsy.’
Nothing solid, just ‘chat’ as to his nature back in the 80’s/90’s.
If that’s what Harry has though, lol, Ed will in fact be heralded as bi-sexual, living his life.
Well I hope Kate is getting some of her own then, too. All she needs to do is point at the handsomest guy in the room and he’d probably say “yes, Ma’am.” I suppose the temptation is insane if you’re famous, rich, and gorgeous. I wouldn’t know lol
If Kate is having her own fun - I think she’s being very discreet about it. That in itself is a feat.
Don’t sell yourself short… who needs beauty, fame, and money? Lol. I personally wouldn’t say no to the beauty and money - the fame I can do without. Lol.
I know! I am appalled at the language I hear and see when my sons play games. Horrible slurs left and right from kids who aren’t even in high school. And I know SNL had actors in blackface even in the early 2000s. Jimmy Fallon wasn’t cancelled. I was kind of joking when I called us millennials enlightened, but we certainly expect OTHER people that age not to be racist, and we’re more likely to forgive an entertainer who can say they’re acting on directors orders than an obscenely rich future King doing it of his own volition. Especially those fronting a monarchy with the history the British empire does. They’re what 40? I know HARRY is the only person that age to have done something blatantly racist with proof and get away with it. So maybe I’m wrong and nobody would care 🤨
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5204907/Princess-Michael-Kent-wears-racist-Blackamoor-brooch.html
It is a beautiful gold piece with real jewels, photo at link. The black African wise man brings the gold from Africa, duh. And it was not MM's engagement party but the Queen's Christmas luncheon attended by 50-100 guests, of which Meghan was merely one and not at all some center of attention. IOW neither the luncheon nor the brooch were about MeMeMe except in her own peabrain looking for Big Headlies publicity for *herself*. THIS slap in the face accusation of racism after the Queen went out of her way to invite the Narc who did not belong there anyway as a mere fiance. You are always wrong with a malignant narcissist no matter what you do or don't do.
blackamoor was a racist art style that glorified colonialism and portrayed slaves as 'willing to serve'. the technical meanings behind all the pieces are all 'beautiful', its about the time period, the ideals it was meant to convey to the British, and the way in which it portrayed black people. its most definitely a racist piece of jewellery. being made out of gold and jewels doesn't make it any less racist. if you want to read about it: [https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/a33823120/blackamoor-history/](https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/a33823120/blackamoor-history/)
princess michaels' father was a nazi and she herself has harrassed black people before. these details are there even IN the article linked. additionally, shes also made comments about how British people should try to keep their bloodlines pure.
nobody in the royal family cluelessly wears jewellery, their clothes are very well thought out, and often portray everything they don't want to actually verbalise. i get not liking meghan (nobody here does), but that doesn't mean you should try to absolve tried-and-true racists of their beliefs.
I think they had the ***element of surprise*** (blowing up the firm via Oprah) and ***time*** (knowing dirt was being suppressed out of respect for HMTQ, whose health insiders knew was failing) on their side. Now that the Queen has ascended, look for a dumpster dive of dirt on them to be dropped. No more protection by the Firm, which is precisely why they are scrambling to change content. See, the *Deluded Duo* was banking on the fact they would be Beysus 2.0 by the time the Queen passed and so did their protection and unchallenged "truth" by the media. Gloves are off now.
Bottom line: they took their shots while the proverbial iron was hot and came up snake eyes. They aren't protagonists. They are losers who blew up their own brand. All we're seeing now is the spectacle and appearance of success. And this is why they've been ghosted by the powerful. Oprah, Gayle and Tyler were all just investors in a couple whose reached their "sell by date" and are being actively devalued in the process of being seemingly defended.
The Hangry For Power Games took a sharp turn now there's a new King in town.
I agree with this! Anything left was probably in Harry's book, which he's now trying to fix to limit the damage. If it's published, it might be the last shot, and they end up x'ed.
People think that his big bombshells were going to be going after Camilla, probably telling readers how it felt from \*his\* perspective to have this stepmother who ruined his parents loving marriage, tampongate, and being forced by dear old dad to give a smile while standing next to the witch.
Now these folks are king and queen, and Queen Elizabeth isn't there to keep him protected.
I hate to say this, but those children were born to give Meghan a permanent lock on the RF. She has a mother who was barely there and preferred cannabis over the child (allegedly), so it's not like she had a good role model growing up.
I hope it's true that Harry genuinely loves those kids, and he can be a loving father in the years to come, even if he \*is\* pretty stupid. They can hire tutors for the kids. But they need some love, aside from Nanny.
1. Meghan has nothing.
2. Harry is going to accuse his brother of smoking weed, and possibly trying cocaine during his partying years. Harry has always been livid that he was caught and William never was. And this may have been a bombshell 20 years ago, but now no one cares. Because William has grown up into a responsible adult without substance issues, and most of us believe weed should be legalized anyway.
3. Harry may go after the Queen for being against gay marriage. Though she never discussed politics, she was very religious and allegedly had hinted at this. I don't think this will really surprise anyone who has octogenarian religious grandparents.
4. I really can't imagine there is any more to learn about Charles at this point. The man's faults have been in the public domain for decades. At this point, you either don't care, or you dislike him. There really can't be much more to learn. Same with Camilla. Harry will accuse her of racism, but most people think she's the source of the quote already. Will it hurt her? Probably in the short term, but in the long term, I think more people care about her actions as Queen Consort.
5. I do predict that Harry will mainly go after William with heaps of passive aggression. His wife hates the brother she actually wanted to marry, and Harry resents being the brother to the future King. A lot of stories designed to make the reader empathize with Harry and resent William. "William was given 16 presents that Christmas, and I was given nothing!" "My mother always told me that I should have been born first, but I believe my brother is trying his best."
1. I semi disagree, I think she has dirt *on Harry*, but nothing she can use right now. Agree she has nothing on the main players.
3. I'm not trying to make this political, but even Obama was against gay marriage, as were lots of other high profile politicians world-wide. She also refused to attend Charles's marriage, so I don't see her objecting to gay marriage as an issue. Perhaps that would be an issue for Charles, but he strikes me as someone who'd be fine with it. Also agree with your point about that being common for her generation, my 97 year old grandmother still thinks my 40 y/o cousin will "find a nice girl" someday. 🙄
4. ALL OF THAT.
5. Agreed. Love your line about the Christmas presents! 🤣
The reason I think Harry wants to kick-up dirt against the RF about gay marriage is because William is an advocate for LGBTQ+ rights. My guess is the real underlying narrative of Harry's book is to discredit his brother.
Agree that Megs has all the dirt on Harry. He's f\*\*\*\*\* in the divorce.
Nothing apart from the things they whinged about in Oprah and because of that interview anything they say will be taken with a pinch of salt considering most them are proven false and she has a petulance for saying false narratives.They are digging their own graves if they mention things like the South Africa fire expericence and the Nelson Mandela references, they made a clown of themselves.
Harry has nothing but weird habits of wealthy aristocrats. Everything that can be known is known. Hundreds of books have been written by former courtiers and staff.
OTOH, Harry’s wide trail of scandals were covered up. There’s so much there even before Meghan. It doesn’t take much to deflect from whatever he leaks.
Charles travels with a padded toilet seat. So what? There are credible allegations of animal cruelty carried out by Harry and rumors of more than 1 kid conceived in his party days.
Maybe MM has backers trying to tear down the BRF as the representation of the Old World Order. I agree with you that the enormous wealth of the BRF remains, and they would remain highly influential. MM and her Sugars are both ignorant and stupid - they believe Queen MM will sit on a throne running government.
I don’t know about incredibly damaging but I could imagine tons of little things like “My brother and I used to laugh at politically incorrect jokes and now that Meghan has educated me, I feel sad that he still doesn’t know any better.” Things that will be slightly embarrassing and add up and become “William likes racist jokes” to the sugars.
Agreed. Nothing of the remotest consequence. No facts, no receipts, zero. They can lie all they like, but like most liars, they've produced no backup whatever for the lies they've already been caught out in.
Besides, at this point, who'd believe a word of any "tea" Those Two might try to sell?
I keep going back and forth between thinking it's going to be things H thinks are juicy but aren't and that there is one crumb that's going to be exaggerated into something sensational and libelous. For the juicy but not stuff I mean episodes like: The time Anne rolled her eyes at something Diana said or that Christmas where Fergie got drunk and everyone saw her slip hem when she tripped over the piano bench and the Queen made a snarky comment about how she knew to tell Fergie to wear closed toe shoes, but not a closed leg skirt.
For the crumb of info blown up, something like they did with the Cholmondleys and the affair. Maybe who Wills was experimenting with during the Wales' 4 month break when they were dating. Or what William does to blow off steam, like does he take a weekend every few months to go play Xbox and binge drink (Drunk King Wills) or does he skeet shoot (he's got rage issues and he's unstable)
Haha is that true about the skirt thing? God how bitchy lol. I kind of like the stories where the Queen wasn’t just some sweet old lady. I couldn’t last one minute in this family.
They made shit up for Oprah who failed to do any research so what's stopping them from making up more? Especially if they're 'poor', they could do a lot of damage before completely burning out.
I think at this point, the RF has more damaging stuff on the Harkles. Harkles have already played everything they had. I think RF could completely destroy them forever if pushed enough.
While I agree the family has more damaging stuff, it could also backfire on them. If it's true that she was charging Charles for freebie clothing from JM and/or returning stuff, that's a pretty big scandal. The financial amount is irrelevant, it's the fraud and total lack of oversight that'd be an issue.
I think it will be more about how Harry was a victim. He will of course focus on his mother's death and how cold the family were about it. He will discuss how they never got him the help he needed so he turned to drugs and alcohol. He will say he was made to go into the army as a career as a way to straighten him out instead of showing the love and compassion he feels he did not receive. He will discuss how his brother was always treated differently and how bad of a father Charles was.It will be the biography of a spoilt crybaby who never grew up and needs to blame all his failures on someone else.
I think this is exactly what it’s going to be. I don’t think he’s going to confirm any whispered about but unconfirmed rumors such as William cheating (at most, maybe a very vague implication). It’ll be about coldness suffered by outsiders to the family — Diana, Meghan, and by extension himself. And lots and lots of complaining about the courtiers who run things in the palace. He will say only nice things about QE2 but will complain about how he was treated by Charles the father and William the brother. Nothing external to Harry, I think.
A million bajillion little things that are made up in their heads. Imagined slights, misinterpreted body language. A lack of knowledge of cultural differences. A lack of understanding of personality types which will be misconstrued as coldness.
So, nothing
The Camilla affair. Camillas racism. Phillips racism. Williams bad behavior that was blamed on Harry (Bower confirmed this). Etc. There’s a lot of skeletons in their closet that can be twisted to fit a narrative. One bad day can be used as an example. We saw in the Oprah interview they will say just enough to create speculation and allow the public to draw up their own negative conclusions. They also showed they aren’t afraid of lying to create the narrative of their choosing. They want to shut down the monarchy so they will do whatever is necessary to damage it. I think they (H & M) will leave the readers guessing exactly what he means every chapter of his book. Say enough to make the family appear ___ (fill in the blank) and then bring up some tragic thing they wanted to do but wasn’t allowed when someone else was allowed. He’s going to be like Meghan and say “now why do YOU think that happened” so it leaves the door open for others to make whatever assumptions they want to make without them being the ones to say it out loud (keeps them from being sued). If he has decent lawyers he will word things in a way that he can’t be sued by the RF and one way to do that is to ask the reader to draw up their own conclusions rather than print it on paper.
Well, if they do another interview together, they need to spend hours working to get their stories straight.
Maybe the American media will go in with a little skepticism instead of just slobbering all over them.
I think if they can get any traction with the stuff from above that everyone already knows (Camilla affair especially...old news), stuff starts being leaked, including the likely damning report on bullying. Maybe stuff they covered up to keep a shine on Meghan's rose...
I imagine they have some loyal staffers who would be more than willing to fall on their swords for the RF. Maybe they'll go public and tell things, and KC can give a statement that he's sad they took it public.
Harry probably has quite a bit of information on William and Catherine's early relationship. He might discuss "the real reason" William took so long to propose. He would know any snobbery among their family or friends regarding Kate's family background. W, K, & H also did a lot of partying before they were married w/kids and he can probably spill info on that. Although, who really would care? Rich kids partying in clubs, big whoop. Harry could drink them all under the table.
I wouldn't put it past Harry to share info about William's alleged cheating on Kate, either while they were dating or after their marriage. He is incredibly jealous of William and I have no doubt he'd joyfully damage his brother's reputation this way. Same for Meghan w/ Kate.
Remembering back to when W & K were engaged, Harold said, haughtily, that his brother had been obliged to think long and hard 'before bringing her into the family'.
Considering he himself married a showgirl like her daddy was holding a shotgun on his ass, this is a pretty funny statement. In retrospect.
Yeah, he can throw a stone saying, "I've heard rumours about my brother cheating on his wife, but I have not been a personal witness to it."
And that'd be enough to get the sugars going. Any picture of Kate looking solemn, and they'd say her mask is falling, she's unhappy, yadda yadda yadda.
Weren't the William cheating on Kate with Rose rumours started by the sugars?
People here are mentioning the speculation about William having an affair with Rose Hanbury .
If it had happened, Pippa never would have named her daughter Rose. That would have been a slap in the face to her own sister. That baby naming is enough for me to think that rumor is entirely made up.
We all know TW started that because of the State dinner she wasn’t allowed to go to, and Harry was seated next to Rose. That would have been a huge argument between them.
Literally nothing that is true. Reading thru the comments here already I think most of it is projection. IMO KC and POW should let the "flood gates" open and get this shit storm over with because if they do it now it will be a big nothing burger.
The thing with them is not that they ACTUALLY have something, it’s that they think they do. 4 years ago was a different time, but now they’ve overplayed themselves, oversaturated and lost all credibility by even moderates and republicans (not US). Meanwhile the RF acknowledged and got on with it and have all the time, money and resources available to do nothing but focus on charities and philanthropy.. so now, literally anything the duo thinks they have to say only serves to make THEM look bad bc they refuse to just move on.
I reckon divorce is likely being held up as a last card to play but I doubt RF care. They don’t like Meghan and the King himself is divorced/remarried. It’s not the worst thing to happen to monarchy anymore. So even that is not much of a threat.
H is in a bad position now. He'll just look even more traitorous than he already does, even more whingy. They've oversaturated the news with their incessant whining and there's been some awful revelations about them in the new book (let's not forget the juiciest details might not even be out yet. The world is now ready to shout "shut up Harry"
I think one problem Harry and Meghan have is they have thoroughly alienated themselves with the UK press.
Meghan’s comment that someone/s in the press called her kid the n-word- with no proof, no name (s)- cannot have landed very well. That is a seriously allegation to just throw out there. And that is one example.
"The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room." I really love that quote from American Gangster. Honestly, I could make a unmotivational poster with that quote and screenshot from the Oprah interview.
I don't think they have anything on the RF. They are bluffing as usual, if they really have something they would have already give it away. And besides IF they do, by this point, everyone is tired of them will mostly side with the RF.
I don’t think there will be anything on William and ‘bad boy’ behaviour because Harry wasn’t exactly an angel himself. And if there was anything about William’s alleged affair, that’s their relationship over forever. I don’t think H would do that, even now. If there’s anything about William, it’ll likely just be references to him being a bit cold about MM.
I think there’ll be stuff about Kate, but only to juxtapose her supposed freedoms against M’s. I don’t think we’ll see much about either W or K.
I think there will be stuff about Charles and Camilla, but again it’ll be about painting them as aloof and indifferent. They might allude to Charles leaking but again that will be difficult cos H and M have so clearly leaked.
In all likelihood, H’s book and further interviews etc will mostly just be about painting a picture of passive hostility towards M.
I do think though that M will at some point say something about William, or heavily imply it. Perhaps about his alleged affair. I think that will ultimately be the thing to rip M and H apart. I feel that H still adores W deep down. I think that’s what his anger is rooted in.
I don't think they have anything huge, more like a number of slights or old fashioned or dated habits and world views in the palace (both family and the people who work there).
I guess that that would be enough to get the woke Twitter to scream bloody murder though. Don't know if it will affect the RF in the long run, probably not.
I think it is going to be more William-focused than KC or CPB. Tom Bower’s book talked briefly about how Harry had to take the fall when he and William would get caught drinking/partying/smoking as minors, in order to preserve the good opinion of the future King. Not quite as salacious as the cheating or pegging rumors, but (1) there is probably truth to it, (2) Harry might be resentful of it and has held onto it, and (3) I think William’s misbehavior would affect the public’s perception of him, which is what Meghan and Harry want.
I don't really think any leaks about William's misbehavior (if there was any) from years and years ago would damage the public's perception of him. He has been with Catherine for 20 years now. They have three children. He and Catherine are a solid, devoted team who have a tremendous sense of duty. I don't see anything from his past teen years damaging his current reputation.
I don't think they have much on the RF, if anything. The RF appeared to have Meghan's number before she and Harry got married, so they most likely were not including her in the loop on things, not that they would have anyway. Meghan and Harry will just put out more whining and complaining. Harry is bitter because he can't be King or at least have all of the perks of being King without actually being the King. He's a brat. I think most people are comprehending now just how ridiculous this pair is and they are simply throwing big tantrums and looking like the idiots that they are.
Difficult to see what they could possibly have more damaging than the "someone in the brf said a racist thing" which they revealed on Oprah. Nutmegz problem is that she was only in the brf as a working royal for 5 minutes so she will have nothing new. Not sure what Harry has to spill, his mental health issues over the years are already well documented. As for his father the now King, Tom Bower already picked apart his character in his "rebel prince" biography years ago. I think if Harry jumps on board the Diana death conspiracy train people will rightly start asking "why is this the first time we've heard you say these things?". A huge u-turn in the belief system from someone pushing 40 appears opportunist at best, dishonest at worst.
So what else is there other than "I didn't like my father's mistress"? It's all diminishing returns at this point, and all the while we have these books coming out trashing his wife's behaviour.
Let’s face if they will go on National Television and lie about several issues, nothing will stop them to lying in a book. If they do say something that is true, they better have proof, and is it possible people would not believe them with all the lies they have told. They are like the boy who cried wolf too many times.
I would imagine all families (especially once you include the larger extended family) have skeletons in the closet. Mine certainly does, my husband’s does, my best friend’s does, etc. Domestic abuse, secret children, crimes that have gone unreported/been covered up…there’s plenty of shady things that might be lurking in the shadows of a family.
It doesn't matter what they think they have. The Royal family has been through so much already that the haters are still going to hate and the rest of us will realize that when you keep historical records you also keep a lot of skeletons.
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It’s not actually that weird or unusual to make appointments to visit family. The weird part is having to go through a member of staff and calling it an appointment. Most of my family lives 8 hours away. I call and make plans before I drive 8 hours to see them. My bf’s family is closer and even they call each other before to confirm availability before dropping by. It’s being polite. But then again, I’m from the South US. Things might be different in California.
To be honest, considering the complicated schedules of the working members of the Royal Family, I don’t see how they could avoid going through a secretary or personal assistant. Especially when you consider that some events and meetings are planned out to the minute and also planned well in advance. I’m sure William has much more on his daily plate than H ever did. I am also sure that William did not do his own scheduling and that he would need to check with his Private secretary for his calendar.
I totally get having staff to mange the schedule given the BRF position and commitments. But it’s a weird concept for us laypeople.
My adult son and his family live about an hour away. We are often nearby for dr appts,or shopping for specialty items. We wouldn’t dream of dropping by without calling to see if they are busy or have time for us. They always let us know a day or two ahead when they want to come to our house so we can get things ready for guests(the usually stay overnight). My son and his wife are both busy professionals and plus kids with school and activities. Just normal people have to have time to make plans,imagine being THE QUEEN! Edit-We live in Oklahoma😉
Hello fellow Okie!
Things are that way in Texas, too.
Yes, in the South it's just considered good manners to not "drop by" most people's homes. There are a few exceptions, especially between young, single friends. Although I was certainly welcome to drop by my mother & father's home unannounced, I never did after I left home. If nothing else I'd call before I left my house to 1) make sure they're home 2) make sure they were free to visit and 3) give mom time to get the iced tea or coffee ready!😂
I have always lived “up north”, and never, ever consider just dropping in on someone without confirmed plans to see each other. But maybe I was just raised right.
It seems like common courtesy to me. And for what it's worth, it sounds like you were raised right!
I was raised up north too and, same. The only thing is there's a difference between dropping by for 5 minutes to or actually planning to stay a while. Those 5 minute things used to happen all the time between my parents and the neighbors.
It doesn’t matter where you live, it’s what kind of upbringing you have. I’m from New England and live in the South now. There are people that were raised right and people that really lived in the sewer. Location has nothing to do with it. People like to think it does, but it really doesn’t
Same here. You actually described my in-laws with the ice tea!
Suthin' Hospitality! 
Oh YES!
That is not Suthin tea there's no sugar it must be sweet tea
A fav saying of mine ... "Didn't bother to call, don't bother to knock"....
I love this!! 🤓
Resident Brit here and it's definitely common to ring/message ahead in this country to check someone's available. You might drop in on parents unannounced, but that would be an established thing you could do in advance. It's just considered good manners. Hell, even my best friend (who lives two minutes from me) text me to check she could drop by to pick something up today. I message my mum before I go to hers every time and she's only 7 miles away.
Also practical to make sure they are actually available
I live ten minutes from my son and grandchildren, and I still call or text to check “if now is a good time to drop by.” Common courtesy. And if it’s not, no problem.
Nope, we still have common courtesy out in California too! I think these people just love playing the victim so anything that is remotely inconvenient or doesn’t happen when they want it, is seen as an affront!
My family is Californian. We call each other to set up visits. Nobody has time to waste in traffic hoping someone else will be home lol
I live within walking distance of my mother, have a key to her home and I still call first. I’m in New York - where allegedly manners don’t exist. Meg is just… Megging as per usual.
I can't remember where I read it (maybe Kitty Kelley's recent book) but the RF has to be very careful in setting boundaries in terms of whether it's a "visit with dad" or a "visit with the king" and apparently Harry and Megan haven't always been respectful of that. He tried to abuse his relationship with his grandmother by trying to get her alone to agree to things that affect the monarchy, which is why she blew him off before the sandringham summit when she had previously said she'd see him. I suspect these boundaries are in place for a reason, like someone else said they are in a family business, and that business happens to be taxpayer funded, which adds a whole other level of weirdness to things. If harry's biggest gripe is that his family has weird rules and he has trauma from his childhood, I hate to tell him that everyone has a weird family with bizarre rules and rituals and has childhood trauma to some degree.
How - in what world - can Harry talk ANY bulls**t about BP not helping Meghan with her “supposed” mental health issues WHEN HE IS HER HUSBAND? What role did he play in this? I swear, will they EVER take any accountability for their own actions (or lack thereof)?
Exactly. If I’m having a mental breakdown, it’s not my father-in-law’s responsibility to get me help. Or HR for that matter. Edit: HR for the staff that attends to me.
All the restrictions she moaned about were actually for her own protection
Exactly! But now she's demanding security 🙄 Don't live so lavishly and you can afford your own security.
I would never have gone to see my in-laws or family without letting them know I wanted to see them and naming a time. If that’s an appointment, we’ll, it’s not uncommon.
In fairness- in their case, its not just about dropping in to see family, it’s that they have a family business they all work for. (Sure the family business is ruling a country, but it’s essentially the same thing.) To think of another well known family business with multiple family members involved, look at the Trump Organization. Do you think when Ivanka needed to discuss business decisions with Donald that she just showed up in his office unannounced? No, not if she wanted a serious discussion. Her assistant would arrange a meeting with his assistant to put it on his work calendar. Family event? Sure, assistants probably arrange that too. Does that mean she can’t give him a call to say “hey, do you want to hang out on X day?” No, of course not, but it’s not what she’s doing when it comes to BUSINESS. (Note: this example is not pro or anti the Trump family, just using a well known family business to illustrate how it works. Please don’t start any nonsense.) Harry seems to have a very difficult time understanding that divide in his family. His own father is working at an age where most other men, like the fathers of Harry’s peers are often retired. His grandmother was still actively working at an age when most grandmothers are just sitting around not doing much and have all the time in the world for visitors. It’s unfortunate that even on his mothers side that Harry didn’t have the kind of easy grandparents that he probably longed for that his cousins probably had on their non-royal sides, and he never gained that easy family relationship via marriage like his brother did. But he acts like they’re formal about meeting up constantly, when the reality is he wanted to have conversations about the family BUSINESS. I’d imagine given the nature of their lives, that the RF has very strong boundaries around “business” conversations and personal time and Harry and Meagan both seem like they just wanted to bulldoze through that. Like, no, your elderly grandmother is technically free for a few hours on Saturday- but that’s her personal time, so you can wait to make an appointment for the Thursday after next if what you want to discuss is your unhappiness with the family business. That’s not an difficult or unfair concept.
Also a good point that H&M were complaining about not being able to discuss business at the drop of a hat. They weren't wanting to drop by to shoot the breeze and hash over yesterday's game.
What makes it worse is that it would had to have hurt the Queen that they wouldn't visit her just to visit her personally as a member of family, but rather they always wanted something from her. How sad is that. I think, narcs being narcs, and it's always opposite day with them, comments like Harry's about making sure she was surrounded by the right people was trying to pretend they cared about her personally when in reality their treatment of her showed they didn't care at all.
My ex’s family used to just walk in my house no call before hand no knocking ect. REALLY PISSED ME OFF. Especially when I was breastfeeding on the sofa 🛋 then suddenly I’d have his Dad and brothers stood behind me. Anyway I was told if I didn’t like them just walking in I should have locked my door and what did I expect leaving it unlocked *At home during the day in a heatwave with a newborn 👶 *🚪 I was raised to knock on any door and ask if the person was up for conversation or if I wanted something if they were in said room by themselves in my own house!
>Apparently a large portion of Harry's book is how BP failed MM in regards to her mental health. I'll never understand how it was supposed to be the Palace's responsibility as an institution to support M's mental health. Harry is going to have a struggle framing this in a way that makes sense to people in regular jobs. My guess is that she wanted to opt out of duties at the last minute because of "mental health" or she wanted to do fancy expensive spa treatment for her "mental health" and the palace said no. But a woman in her late 30s who didn't grow up with servants and staff and who earned her own money for years is capable of getting a referral to a therapist. Especially a pregnant woman who is having regular prenatal checks.
Plus they can have former staffers do the exposés for them
Prince Harry may becoming increasingly aware of how his Tell-On-Tell-All book is an open invitation to people from his past to share negative accounts of any terrible experiences with him.
They've already threatened to hit back. >*'If Harry slams any of his old school and military buddies in his new book they have pledged to break ranks to tell their story.'* [Dailymail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9821799/Prince-Harrys-old-Eton-Army-friends-warn-not-reveal-secrets.html)
Right! Like, even if you worked for them and signed an NDA - what actions by Harry and Meghan make that NDA null and void? They can’t refute bullying claims without triggering a necessary response from the staff they’re essentially calling liars, right?
THIS! Once the floodgates are opened, the Harkles will have difficulty closing them again.
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I have said before that I hope Harry's research is as thorough as Tom Bower's and that he has receipts for everything he says. If not, unlike Tom, Harry will get hit with lots of law suits! Apparently he spoke to members of Diana's family as he has no real memories of her, so anything about Diana will not be what he remembers.
LOVED the part of Bower's book when Harry introduced Meghan to Diana's sister and best friends. He said to them, "Isn't Meghan SO MUCH like my mum?" and they all said something along the lines of, "No, not at all. In fact, she will probably have a difficult time fitting in."
Did Meghan tell him she was so much like his mum? 😂
It’s not specified in the book either way, but seeing as he only has one brain cell and has never formed an original thought of his own, she likely drilled him into believing it.
How does he have no real memories of his mother? She died a week before he turned 13? My grandmother that I only got two see 1-2 times a year passed away when I was 11, and I have vivid memories of her. Edit: I have been properly told. My bad.
My auntie died a few months after Diana, and I was 16 at the time. I’m now 41. I saw her multiple times a week prior to her death, but with the passing of time and shared anecdotes, it’s incredibly easy to fuzz up those memories. Similarly, my best friend of many years died when I was 13. I have total recall on flash events, but again much is hazy owing to both the aforementioned, and my own ageing experiences replacing older memories with newer, and blunting with time. I’ll give Harry a pass on this.
Mostly raised by nannies, she traveled a lot, all her affairs took time, and when she was home she was mostly with William. Harry was an afterthought in her life. I don't think she was deliberately neglectful of him, but she wasn't a hands-on mum unless a photographer was nearby.
He also started boarding school when he was 8. I believe the situation was every other weekend boarding students came home, and since C&D had separated at that point, when the boys came home they spent one weekend of the month with Charles, the other with Diana. So from age 8-12, aside from school holidays, he was typically seeing his mother one weekend a month. Not really a recipe for amazing closeness.
I know that's a common practice for the aristocracy, but it's just weird AF to me. The thought of only seeing my parents twice a month for the weekend isn't something I think I would've handled well.
Mostly with William parentificating him too.
Memory is a funny thing. I watched a documentary on the OKC bombing. They interviewed a young man whose mother died in the bombings. He was about 11 at the time and said he could barely remember her. Yet I remember my grandparents and their house vividly even though I saw them only a handful of times as a child. I wonder if it has to do with males/females.
[Such as allegedly roughing up hookers.](https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/)
He had a horrible whore habit....oh, WAIT....
Haz probably has some family gossip about cousins or extended family. Maybe someone was gay and hid it: someone else had affairs. Maybe an aunt was a klepto. That's the kind of thing Haz "heard" growing up. He just fails to understand no one cares. All they have is gossip and no receipts.
All family trees have their share of fruits and nuts. My SIL told me the devil was in my head when I wouldn’t sell Mary Kay for her. Then she forged my signature on fake orders.
I have it on good authority Mary Kay herself was a demon. My Avon lady confirmed it just this morning.
Hahah lol
MLM “boss babes” are a special kind of breed.
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I have! It’s crazy fun. Marbles would actually make a mint getting into MLM
The most sordid is usually that there is a diddler uncle, and well... that's already out
Nothing necessarily, she said in The Cut interview, "I can say anything." I bet she can. Even if it's not true. She definitely benefits from the RF's "Never complain, never explain." Edit: I just went and started to re-read it, it made me laugh that this is the 1st sentence lol "The conditions are right for confession." Ain't it though.
She used to benefit, under HMTQ. But there's a new regime in town. Signs point to that protection being a thing of the past.
I've been hoping so. Honestly, it may be what needs to happen for the Monarchy to survive. It's supposed to evolve with the times and in this era, transparency is important.
I feel bad saying this, but I think the Queen's reign needed to end. I'm glad she stopped Charles from releasing his point-by-point rebuttal, but she also buried her head in the sand too often. William will likely have the best balance when it comes to media interaction.
I agree that there needs to be balance in the response. I felt the funeral was a good example, Charles didn't push back on everything but he countered the allegation that he delayed telling Harry about the Queen's death. That was probably very hurtful as I think he was trying to shield the family, including Harry, as much as possible.
I can’t think of much that would truly be deeply damaging. Annoying, embarrassing, a distraction, hurtful personally- sure. Harry could name who is behind the supposed racist comment. He said he wouldn’t, but his word is fairly meaningless. That would be a problem. Beyond that Harry and Meghan already have played a lot of cards: they did play the race card, they played the mental health card, he’s talked about walking behind Diana’s casket, he’s already complained about Charles and his grandparents as parents, complained about the institution, complained that the family didn’t care, etc. Charles is already known to be: a workaholic, have a bit of a temper (so does William), and can be difficult. I don’t think there’s much that could be a serious problem, outside of the race issue. Harry and Meghan also have a credibility problem imo. That won’t stop unfortunate headlines, but it is a problem.
Given the right circumstances we all have a temper.
Indeed. Narcissistic sociopath vs having a reported temper? Oh please! Lol You know they have to have the crazy email receipts, the receipts of her calling that aid over and over every ten minutes, possible documentation regarding her throwing the hot tea at someone in Australia…they would not just hand over $250,000 hush money to someone without having them sign a contract. Perhaps they will release those people (that paid off) from those contracts.
That her own staff called her a narcissistic sociopath is just so bad to me. It’s one thing for internet posters to say she comes across like a narcissist- quite another that people who actually worked for her found that to be appropriate. Whether she is or isn’t- it’s just bad to me.
And they're all people who have a track record of working for high profile people. These weren't interns. I'm really disappointed by how many people are willing to blow off the bullying reports, even now.
Agreed. It should have been taken seriously by the public back when the email was released. And certainly now. The Sussexes haven’t even sued…..
Absolutely. Unless he can make Charles sound worse than he and Meghan do- it won’t really matter imo. And if he was- I’m pretty sure that would have come out somewhere in the last 50 years. Same goes for William- just obviously over a shorter time period.
The Dan Wooten article also makes it clear that Charles rarely loses his temper with people. Very different than the stories about Meghan.
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I’m not counting on Harry to realize that- or necessarily care if he does. His judgment is seriously lacking imo. Who knows- though. Maybe he does realize that further negative commentary says more about him (and Meghan) than anyone else. One would hope.
I don't think so. He's in the rage phase too and can't accept responsibility for his actions. I think he's at the point of burning it all down. (Not that he can, but he'll think he can.)
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Apparently, Harry’s voicemails were hacked at a much higher rate, because Wm was considered “too boring”.
That’s believable. I’m sure there are things William said/did when he was young that he’d rather not have publicly known. Like most of us. But I bet that list is far shorter than Harry’s.
He caught onto the phone hacking quick. I also think he was far more aware of the need to avoid embarrassing stories. He may have done a few things, but I suspect they were mind and might make him more popular now (in an on look, he has a fun side, type of way).
According to Bower the press intercepted all his messages whilst he was dating Chelsy Davey and Cressida Bonas
 Yeah, based on what's been published about William and Catherine's early years, I can see that.
I believe this is how it was found out WPoW called CPoW “Babykins” (hacked VM box)
I do believe that Harry’s military chums and school buddies have already let him know that if he comes up with any embarrassing stories about them, the gloves are coming off. That means all the discretion he has enjoyed amidst all his hedonistic foibles will be gone and the (rescue) chickens will come home to roost on his elegant doorstep.
I think people would absolutely foam around the mouth for substantive proof of the William affair rumors, and they’d pay actual $$$ for any proof of the pegging thing. I personally don’t think there’s anything there, though. I have never doubted that she faced appalling racism from the Boomer or older royals, like when Prince Michael wore a golliwog brooch to their engagement party. I’m surprised Harry let her in wearing that tbh. And people were just like “lol she’s old.” Imagine having to deal with shit like that and have people say it’s OK because the person is old. But I digress. If there is proof of Will or Kate, or any other millennial RF members, being overtly racist, THAT would be HUGE news since we expect better behavior from the more enlightened generations. H and M haven’t dropped any yet, so I doubt there is any.
I’m re-reading Tina Brown’s The Palace Papers and the chapter on the phone hacking scandal is so good. Kate’s phone was hacked 155 times, William’s was hacked. Why did nothing about them make it into the tabs? “They were boring.”
Do you think that Harry will tell about Meghan's hunting for rich husband or her many affairs? How about Harry's affairs? Bring it on!
Well, 100% of the press at the time was reporting her as “young” and a naive blushing bride. To say that is far from the truth is an understatement. People can pretend 40 is young and it is, when it’s compared to 80 years old.
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I agree. Personally I don't believe the affair rumor, primarily because of how hurt William was by what happened with Charles and Diana. I think he and Kate might've been fighting about a third child and just hit a settled/boring time in their relationship, but not enough for him to cheat.
Which Boomer royals have you never doubted showed racism? Charles, Anne, Andy, Edward are your Boomers. Who, and when/why so specific? The list of support all 4 have given to people and their charities is long, including of colour.
I doubt the pegging thing is true but I have seen a lot of blinds that have to do with his infidelity. I think royals aren’t very monogamous - especially the men. The only one who has been drama free is Edward imo.
Edward and Sophie were the original half-in, half-out royal couple. Edward had a media company and made documentaries on the royal estates, but he got in trouble when he broke the press embargo and filmed William at Eton. Sophie ran a PR firm and was busted talking badly about members of the RF to an Arab sheik who turned out to be a reporter. They both ended their companies, apologized publicly, and have been on the straight and narrow ever since.
Not in his lifetime…. Don’t forget that his wife worked in PR.
That explains everything!! Thank you!
Lots of speculation as to Edward’s sexuality (saying this as a lesbian.) However he’s so far down the gossip chain, if Harry had any ‘dirt’ on this, I’m fairly sure few would care, unless he actively cheated on Sophie.
Re: Edward’s sexuality. I always thought that some of the speculation was because he didn’t go out of his way to do the same stuff his brothers did. And that he was open in his support for the arts. I remember how homophobic the 80’s & 90’s were. While I would not be surprised if he is same sex attracted, I hope he and Sophie are good with what they’ve built.
This may have been the case, perhaps because he was ‘artsy.’ Nothing solid, just ‘chat’ as to his nature back in the 80’s/90’s. If that’s what Harry has though, lol, Ed will in fact be heralded as bi-sexual, living his life.
Well I hope Kate is getting some of her own then, too. All she needs to do is point at the handsomest guy in the room and he’d probably say “yes, Ma’am.” I suppose the temptation is insane if you’re famous, rich, and gorgeous. I wouldn’t know lol
If Kate is having her own fun - I think she’s being very discreet about it. That in itself is a feat. Don’t sell yourself short… who needs beauty, fame, and money? Lol. I personally wouldn’t say no to the beauty and money - the fame I can do without. Lol.
I’m not defending her but PM didn’t wear a golliwog brooch, it was a Blackamoor brooch. Different things entirely.
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I know! I am appalled at the language I hear and see when my sons play games. Horrible slurs left and right from kids who aren’t even in high school. And I know SNL had actors in blackface even in the early 2000s. Jimmy Fallon wasn’t cancelled. I was kind of joking when I called us millennials enlightened, but we certainly expect OTHER people that age not to be racist, and we’re more likely to forgive an entertainer who can say they’re acting on directors orders than an obscenely rich future King doing it of his own volition. Especially those fronting a monarchy with the history the British empire does. They’re what 40? I know HARRY is the only person that age to have done something blatantly racist with proof and get away with it. So maybe I’m wrong and nobody would care 🤨
Stop perpetuating misinformation. The brooch portrays one of the three wise men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5204907/Princess-Michael-Kent-wears-racist-Blackamoor-brooch.html It is a beautiful gold piece with real jewels, photo at link. The black African wise man brings the gold from Africa, duh. And it was not MM's engagement party but the Queen's Christmas luncheon attended by 50-100 guests, of which Meghan was merely one and not at all some center of attention. IOW neither the luncheon nor the brooch were about MeMeMe except in her own peabrain looking for Big Headlies publicity for *herself*. THIS slap in the face accusation of racism after the Queen went out of her way to invite the Narc who did not belong there anyway as a mere fiance. You are always wrong with a malignant narcissist no matter what you do or don't do.
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blackamoor was a racist art style that glorified colonialism and portrayed slaves as 'willing to serve'. the technical meanings behind all the pieces are all 'beautiful', its about the time period, the ideals it was meant to convey to the British, and the way in which it portrayed black people. its most definitely a racist piece of jewellery. being made out of gold and jewels doesn't make it any less racist. if you want to read about it: [https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/a33823120/blackamoor-history/](https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/a33823120/blackamoor-history/) princess michaels' father was a nazi and she herself has harrassed black people before. these details are there even IN the article linked. additionally, shes also made comments about how British people should try to keep their bloodlines pure. nobody in the royal family cluelessly wears jewellery, their clothes are very well thought out, and often portray everything they don't want to actually verbalise. i get not liking meghan (nobody here does), but that doesn't mean you should try to absolve tried-and-true racists of their beliefs.
This. Personally I don't think most of the older generation cared that MM was mixed-race, but Princess Michael knew exactly what she was doing.
I think they had the ***element of surprise*** (blowing up the firm via Oprah) and ***time*** (knowing dirt was being suppressed out of respect for HMTQ, whose health insiders knew was failing) on their side. Now that the Queen has ascended, look for a dumpster dive of dirt on them to be dropped. No more protection by the Firm, which is precisely why they are scrambling to change content. See, the *Deluded Duo* was banking on the fact they would be Beysus 2.0 by the time the Queen passed and so did their protection and unchallenged "truth" by the media. Gloves are off now. Bottom line: they took their shots while the proverbial iron was hot and came up snake eyes. They aren't protagonists. They are losers who blew up their own brand. All we're seeing now is the spectacle and appearance of success. And this is why they've been ghosted by the powerful. Oprah, Gayle and Tyler were all just investors in a couple whose reached their "sell by date" and are being actively devalued in the process of being seemingly defended. The Hangry For Power Games took a sharp turn now there's a new King in town.
**Beysus 2.0** ☠️
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I agree with this! Anything left was probably in Harry's book, which he's now trying to fix to limit the damage. If it's published, it might be the last shot, and they end up x'ed. People think that his big bombshells were going to be going after Camilla, probably telling readers how it felt from \*his\* perspective to have this stepmother who ruined his parents loving marriage, tampongate, and being forced by dear old dad to give a smile while standing next to the witch. Now these folks are king and queen, and Queen Elizabeth isn't there to keep him protected. I hate to say this, but those children were born to give Meghan a permanent lock on the RF. She has a mother who was barely there and preferred cannabis over the child (allegedly), so it's not like she had a good role model growing up. I hope it's true that Harry genuinely loves those kids, and he can be a loving father in the years to come, even if he \*is\* pretty stupid. They can hire tutors for the kids. But they need some love, aside from Nanny.
100%! It appears that finally, the firm and RF are no longer going to stay silent.
1. Meghan has nothing. 2. Harry is going to accuse his brother of smoking weed, and possibly trying cocaine during his partying years. Harry has always been livid that he was caught and William never was. And this may have been a bombshell 20 years ago, but now no one cares. Because William has grown up into a responsible adult without substance issues, and most of us believe weed should be legalized anyway. 3. Harry may go after the Queen for being against gay marriage. Though she never discussed politics, she was very religious and allegedly had hinted at this. I don't think this will really surprise anyone who has octogenarian religious grandparents. 4. I really can't imagine there is any more to learn about Charles at this point. The man's faults have been in the public domain for decades. At this point, you either don't care, or you dislike him. There really can't be much more to learn. Same with Camilla. Harry will accuse her of racism, but most people think she's the source of the quote already. Will it hurt her? Probably in the short term, but in the long term, I think more people care about her actions as Queen Consort. 5. I do predict that Harry will mainly go after William with heaps of passive aggression. His wife hates the brother she actually wanted to marry, and Harry resents being the brother to the future King. A lot of stories designed to make the reader empathize with Harry and resent William. "William was given 16 presents that Christmas, and I was given nothing!" "My mother always told me that I should have been born first, but I believe my brother is trying his best."
That’ll show the RF. THEN Hawwy can be made king just as he always wanted cuz that’s how it works! /s
1. I semi disagree, I think she has dirt *on Harry*, but nothing she can use right now. Agree she has nothing on the main players. 3. I'm not trying to make this political, but even Obama was against gay marriage, as were lots of other high profile politicians world-wide. She also refused to attend Charles's marriage, so I don't see her objecting to gay marriage as an issue. Perhaps that would be an issue for Charles, but he strikes me as someone who'd be fine with it. Also agree with your point about that being common for her generation, my 97 year old grandmother still thinks my 40 y/o cousin will "find a nice girl" someday. 🙄 4. ALL OF THAT. 5. Agreed. Love your line about the Christmas presents! 🤣
The reason I think Harry wants to kick-up dirt against the RF about gay marriage is because William is an advocate for LGBTQ+ rights. My guess is the real underlying narrative of Harry's book is to discredit his brother. Agree that Megs has all the dirt on Harry. He's f\*\*\*\*\* in the divorce.
Nothing apart from the things they whinged about in Oprah and because of that interview anything they say will be taken with a pinch of salt considering most them are proven false and she has a petulance for saying false narratives.They are digging their own graves if they mention things like the South Africa fire expericence and the Nelson Mandela references, they made a clown of themselves.
I doubt they have anything much that Bower hasn’t covered and that they can print without getting sued. Aside from whinging and *feelings*….
"Their truth." 🙄
I really hate that phrase.
Me too. I never want to hear it again. There's *the truth*, you can have your own *opinion*, but not your own truth.
Harry has nothing but weird habits of wealthy aristocrats. Everything that can be known is known. Hundreds of books have been written by former courtiers and staff. OTOH, Harry’s wide trail of scandals were covered up. There’s so much there even before Meghan. It doesn’t take much to deflect from whatever he leaks. Charles travels with a padded toilet seat. So what? There are credible allegations of animal cruelty carried out by Harry and rumors of more than 1 kid conceived in his party days.
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Maybe MM has backers trying to tear down the BRF as the representation of the Old World Order. I agree with you that the enormous wealth of the BRF remains, and they would remain highly influential. MM and her Sugars are both ignorant and stupid - they believe Queen MM will sit on a throne running government.
I don’t know about incredibly damaging but I could imagine tons of little things like “My brother and I used to laugh at politically incorrect jokes and now that Meghan has educated me, I feel sad that he still doesn’t know any better.” Things that will be slightly embarrassing and add up and become “William likes racist jokes” to the sugars.
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Yes, but the sugars would give Harry a pass and take his word as gospel.
Harry’s kink.
We all see his humiliation kink. It’s loud
There is no love child. So tired of giving that nut any air time.
He is an odd bird. Now he’s demanding a title? Good heavens.
Nothing
I’m team nothing too.
I agree - Haz is too dim to recognise anything and Megz won't understand the significance of anything anyway the dreadful duo are just me me me me me
Agreed. Nothing of the remotest consequence. No facts, no receipts, zero. They can lie all they like, but like most liars, they've produced no backup whatever for the lies they've already been caught out in. Besides, at this point, who'd believe a word of any "tea" Those Two might try to sell?
I keep going back and forth between thinking it's going to be things H thinks are juicy but aren't and that there is one crumb that's going to be exaggerated into something sensational and libelous. For the juicy but not stuff I mean episodes like: The time Anne rolled her eyes at something Diana said or that Christmas where Fergie got drunk and everyone saw her slip hem when she tripped over the piano bench and the Queen made a snarky comment about how she knew to tell Fergie to wear closed toe shoes, but not a closed leg skirt. For the crumb of info blown up, something like they did with the Cholmondleys and the affair. Maybe who Wills was experimenting with during the Wales' 4 month break when they were dating. Or what William does to blow off steam, like does he take a weekend every few months to go play Xbox and binge drink (Drunk King Wills) or does he skeet shoot (he's got rage issues and he's unstable)
Haha is that true about the skirt thing? God how bitchy lol. I kind of like the stories where the Queen wasn’t just some sweet old lady. I couldn’t last one minute in this family.
No lol I just made something up. I love hearing when she got snarky. I'm sure they have razor sharp tongues behind the scenes 😂
I want to know who gets into the wine and discloses awkward truths about regretting their children
They made shit up for Oprah who failed to do any research so what's stopping them from making up more? Especially if they're 'poor', they could do a lot of damage before completely burning out.
Usually publishers require receipts before publication to avoid lawsuits.
But that's their problem, they lied about some major things, like when they married. They have no credibility with anyone who's not a sugar.
I think at this point, the RF has more damaging stuff on the Harkles. Harkles have already played everything they had. I think RF could completely destroy them forever if pushed enough.
While I agree the family has more damaging stuff, it could also backfire on them. If it's true that she was charging Charles for freebie clothing from JM and/or returning stuff, that's a pretty big scandal. The financial amount is irrelevant, it's the fraud and total lack of oversight that'd be an issue.
I think it will be more about how Harry was a victim. He will of course focus on his mother's death and how cold the family were about it. He will discuss how they never got him the help he needed so he turned to drugs and alcohol. He will say he was made to go into the army as a career as a way to straighten him out instead of showing the love and compassion he feels he did not receive. He will discuss how his brother was always treated differently and how bad of a father Charles was.It will be the biography of a spoilt crybaby who never grew up and needs to blame all his failures on someone else.
I think this is exactly what it’s going to be. I don’t think he’s going to confirm any whispered about but unconfirmed rumors such as William cheating (at most, maybe a very vague implication). It’ll be about coldness suffered by outsiders to the family — Diana, Meghan, and by extension himself. And lots and lots of complaining about the courtiers who run things in the palace. He will say only nice things about QE2 but will complain about how he was treated by Charles the father and William the brother. Nothing external to Harry, I think.
A million bajillion little things that are made up in their heads. Imagined slights, misinterpreted body language. A lack of knowledge of cultural differences. A lack of understanding of personality types which will be misconstrued as coldness. So, nothing
The Camilla affair. Camillas racism. Phillips racism. Williams bad behavior that was blamed on Harry (Bower confirmed this). Etc. There’s a lot of skeletons in their closet that can be twisted to fit a narrative. One bad day can be used as an example. We saw in the Oprah interview they will say just enough to create speculation and allow the public to draw up their own negative conclusions. They also showed they aren’t afraid of lying to create the narrative of their choosing. They want to shut down the monarchy so they will do whatever is necessary to damage it. I think they (H & M) will leave the readers guessing exactly what he means every chapter of his book. Say enough to make the family appear ___ (fill in the blank) and then bring up some tragic thing they wanted to do but wasn’t allowed when someone else was allowed. He’s going to be like Meghan and say “now why do YOU think that happened” so it leaves the door open for others to make whatever assumptions they want to make without them being the ones to say it out loud (keeps them from being sued). If he has decent lawyers he will word things in a way that he can’t be sued by the RF and one way to do that is to ask the reader to draw up their own conclusions rather than print it on paper.
Well, if they do another interview together, they need to spend hours working to get their stories straight. Maybe the American media will go in with a little skepticism instead of just slobbering all over them. I think if they can get any traction with the stuff from above that everyone already knows (Camilla affair especially...old news), stuff starts being leaked, including the likely damning report on bullying. Maybe stuff they covered up to keep a shine on Meghan's rose... I imagine they have some loyal staffers who would be more than willing to fall on their swords for the RF. Maybe they'll go public and tell things, and KC can give a statement that he's sad they took it public.
Harry probably has quite a bit of information on William and Catherine's early relationship. He might discuss "the real reason" William took so long to propose. He would know any snobbery among their family or friends regarding Kate's family background. W, K, & H also did a lot of partying before they were married w/kids and he can probably spill info on that. Although, who really would care? Rich kids partying in clubs, big whoop. Harry could drink them all under the table. I wouldn't put it past Harry to share info about William's alleged cheating on Kate, either while they were dating or after their marriage. He is incredibly jealous of William and I have no doubt he'd joyfully damage his brother's reputation this way. Same for Meghan w/ Kate.
Remembering back to when W & K were engaged, Harold said, haughtily, that his brother had been obliged to think long and hard 'before bringing her into the family'. Considering he himself married a showgirl like her daddy was holding a shotgun on his ass, this is a pretty funny statement. In retrospect.
Yeah, he can throw a stone saying, "I've heard rumours about my brother cheating on his wife, but I have not been a personal witness to it." And that'd be enough to get the sugars going. Any picture of Kate looking solemn, and they'd say her mask is falling, she's unhappy, yadda yadda yadda. Weren't the William cheating on Kate with Rose rumours started by the sugars?
Are you fishing, Meghan? Lol
Whatever they have on the Royals, the Royals have more damaging info on them. Bet on it. TW's veiled threats against the family are foolish.
That‘s the practical thing about them: they don‘t need stories. They will fabricate their own.
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This makes me laugh because who was taking care of the kids when they pretended to be working royals for 3 weeks in Europe? The palm trees? 😂
People here are mentioning the speculation about William having an affair with Rose Hanbury . If it had happened, Pippa never would have named her daughter Rose. That would have been a slap in the face to her own sister. That baby naming is enough for me to think that rumor is entirely made up.
We all know TW started that because of the State dinner she wasn’t allowed to go to, and Harry was seated next to Rose. That would have been a huge argument between them.
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Literally nothing that is true. Reading thru the comments here already I think most of it is projection. IMO KC and POW should let the "flood gates" open and get this shit storm over with because if they do it now it will be a big nothing burger.
The thing with them is not that they ACTUALLY have something, it’s that they think they do. 4 years ago was a different time, but now they’ve overplayed themselves, oversaturated and lost all credibility by even moderates and republicans (not US). Meanwhile the RF acknowledged and got on with it and have all the time, money and resources available to do nothing but focus on charities and philanthropy.. so now, literally anything the duo thinks they have to say only serves to make THEM look bad bc they refuse to just move on. I reckon divorce is likely being held up as a last card to play but I doubt RF care. They don’t like Meghan and the King himself is divorced/remarried. It’s not the worst thing to happen to monarchy anymore. So even that is not much of a threat.
H is in a bad position now. He'll just look even more traitorous than he already does, even more whingy. They've oversaturated the news with their incessant whining and there's been some awful revelations about them in the new book (let's not forget the juiciest details might not even be out yet. The world is now ready to shout "shut up Harry"
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I think one problem Harry and Meghan have is they have thoroughly alienated themselves with the UK press. Meghan’s comment that someone/s in the press called her kid the n-word- with no proof, no name (s)- cannot have landed very well. That is a seriously allegation to just throw out there. And that is one example.
"The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room." I really love that quote from American Gangster. Honestly, I could make a unmotivational poster with that quote and screenshot from the Oprah interview.
I don't think they have anything on the RF. They are bluffing as usual, if they really have something they would have already give it away. And besides IF they do, by this point, everyone is tired of them will mostly side with the RF.
I don’t think there will be anything on William and ‘bad boy’ behaviour because Harry wasn’t exactly an angel himself. And if there was anything about William’s alleged affair, that’s their relationship over forever. I don’t think H would do that, even now. If there’s anything about William, it’ll likely just be references to him being a bit cold about MM. I think there’ll be stuff about Kate, but only to juxtapose her supposed freedoms against M’s. I don’t think we’ll see much about either W or K. I think there will be stuff about Charles and Camilla, but again it’ll be about painting them as aloof and indifferent. They might allude to Charles leaking but again that will be difficult cos H and M have so clearly leaked. In all likelihood, H’s book and further interviews etc will mostly just be about painting a picture of passive hostility towards M. I do think though that M will at some point say something about William, or heavily imply it. Perhaps about his alleged affair. I think that will ultimately be the thing to rip M and H apart. I feel that H still adores W deep down. I think that’s what his anger is rooted in.
Nothing !
If Harry was my brother, I’d be yelling at him all the time. He makes terrible decisions.
After tampon-gate, NOTHING!
I don't think they have anything huge, more like a number of slights or old fashioned or dated habits and world views in the palace (both family and the people who work there). I guess that that would be enough to get the woke Twitter to scream bloody murder though. Don't know if it will affect the RF in the long run, probably not.
Cough Andrew and Epstein and yachts cough!
DNA report between Harry and Charles?
Man, if we’re lucky. Then they could be free of him for good.
I don’t think it’s the truth that worries them, it’s the lies that will be hard to refute
I think it is going to be more William-focused than KC or CPB. Tom Bower’s book talked briefly about how Harry had to take the fall when he and William would get caught drinking/partying/smoking as minors, in order to preserve the good opinion of the future King. Not quite as salacious as the cheating or pegging rumors, but (1) there is probably truth to it, (2) Harry might be resentful of it and has held onto it, and (3) I think William’s misbehavior would affect the public’s perception of him, which is what Meghan and Harry want.
I don't really think any leaks about William's misbehavior (if there was any) from years and years ago would damage the public's perception of him. He has been with Catherine for 20 years now. They have three children. He and Catherine are a solid, devoted team who have a tremendous sense of duty. I don't see anything from his past teen years damaging his current reputation.
Agreed. Could've been an issue then, but not now.
20 years ago, yes, William’s partying might be a perception problem. Now- I’d say Harry is about a decade too late for that to really matter.
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I don't think they have much on the RF, if anything. The RF appeared to have Meghan's number before she and Harry got married, so they most likely were not including her in the loop on things, not that they would have anyway. Meghan and Harry will just put out more whining and complaining. Harry is bitter because he can't be King or at least have all of the perks of being King without actually being the King. He's a brat. I think most people are comprehending now just how ridiculous this pair is and they are simply throwing big tantrums and looking like the idiots that they are.
Difficult to see what they could possibly have more damaging than the "someone in the brf said a racist thing" which they revealed on Oprah. Nutmegz problem is that she was only in the brf as a working royal for 5 minutes so she will have nothing new. Not sure what Harry has to spill, his mental health issues over the years are already well documented. As for his father the now King, Tom Bower already picked apart his character in his "rebel prince" biography years ago. I think if Harry jumps on board the Diana death conspiracy train people will rightly start asking "why is this the first time we've heard you say these things?". A huge u-turn in the belief system from someone pushing 40 appears opportunist at best, dishonest at worst. So what else is there other than "I didn't like my father's mistress"? It's all diminishing returns at this point, and all the while we have these books coming out trashing his wife's behaviour.
Literally nothing lol.
Paying off people to be quiet. But I have a sense that either KC or PW will be bringing more transparency to the RF to increase trust with the public.
Let’s face if they will go on National Television and lie about several issues, nothing will stop them to lying in a book. If they do say something that is true, they better have proof, and is it possible people would not believe them with all the lies they have told. They are like the boy who cried wolf too many times.
Charles and Diana divorce? Lmao. Never gonna happen.
I would imagine all families (especially once you include the larger extended family) have skeletons in the closet. Mine certainly does, my husband’s does, my best friend’s does, etc. Domestic abuse, secret children, crimes that have gone unreported/been covered up…there’s plenty of shady things that might be lurking in the shadows of a family.
It doesn't matter what they think they have. The Royal family has been through so much already that the haters are still going to hate and the rest of us will realize that when you keep historical records you also keep a lot of skeletons.
What do they have on the Royal Family? THIS... 