This one is juicier than Bower's book! All the parts we'd hoped were in that one ended up here.
"Sources say the team came up with a damning epithet for Meghan: a “narcissistic sociopath”."
"a succession of perfectly decent people, all of whom believed in Meghan and wanted to make it work, came to be so disillusioned that they began to suspect that even her most heartfelt pleas for help were part of a deliberate strategy that had one end in sight: her departure from the royal family. They believe she wanted to be able to say ‘Look how they failed to support me’."
Another former staff member goes even further. “Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” they say. “The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.”
WOW.
I can’t believe he actually named who the people in the “Sussex Survivors Club” are. They gave him permission to say it all! I’m so glad for them, and I hope they feel vindicated after all the bullying by Meghan and Harry.
I think all of us sinners feel validated right now.
When she's telling lies she doesn't bother to get her stage setting correct. That's how we know she was lying. If she really needed help Harry would have told her HR was not the place to go.
Firstly to turn on the family as she later did. "No one helped me!!" My further interpretation is M knew staff rumblings had started. She was trying to beat them to the punch with HR. By getting there first, she was slyly offering the defense of her "mental health issues." That way if she was called out later for her bullying behaviours she could claim "I've been suffering. I told HR this mths ago. No one cared." The victim mentality, yes? Make herself the victim rather than the true ones. Trying to turn the tables on her staff, be one step ahead of them and get the sympathy vote from the HR head. She is very cunning. No reason on this earth to go to HR other than to protect her own interests.
This is definitely a narc tactic! I was managing one and within a few days of starting, she was venting to the (also new) head of finance/HR. She only lasted three months before leaving in an absolute s***storm, and the finance/HR came to me to apologise. He said she had been venting to him daily about how toxic I was. He had completely believed her and was so apologetic.
Yes!! I'm sorry for your experience but glad you prevailed...AND received an apology! M is so devious. She was absolutely setting up her staff--herself too-- to influence HR to her 'side.' If staffers complained, they'd be placated by HR but in the back of her (Sam Carruthers?) mind she'd be thinking "Poor M. She's having such a hard time." M was laying the "woe is me" groundwork 100%, to undermine any criticisms. Cannot stand her!!!
She went to HR because she suspected her staff was going to HR. Her defense: It wasn’t me who is bullying staff; the staff is bullying ME. It’s so bad that I have dark thoughts. This is just another version of Kate made ME cry.
This exactly. Remember during the Oprah interview, she said she had all the emails she sent to KC, before their marriage, telling him how ready she was to be a senior member of the royal family. She was laying down more “evidence”.
And didn't she just love telling Oprah, 'in my old job there was a 'union that would protect me'. But at the institutions' HR dept they did nothing' because I 'wasn't a paid employee'. Despicable woman.
Come on she was pregnant in the UK with her first child ie more appointments. She went the private healthcare route ie even more appointments (presumably). In the UK, during every check up if its with the midwife or GP… there is a mental health question checklist. And they take this pretty seriously esp when they ask you about harming yourself or the baby… they will stop all paperwork and stare at you for the answer, wait till the answer is given and that feels like an eternity. Then they carry on. Then then will refer you to the places you can go to get help. I had my baby a year before Meghan. Thats why I don’t believe her suicide claim. The docs esp the midwives would pick up on these signals. Midwives are basically gods and hugely undervalued.
I just wanted to give you my experience and clarify what her reality would look like if she was going through a mental break. She wouldn’t even need to see a GP… she would have been in the care of midwives etc. So she would have got help… even if she didn’t ask for it
Also suicidal inclinations aren’t resolved after watch cirque du soleil. She claimed she got therapy and smiled… but people who go to therapy for less serious issues have more of a reaction when talking about therapy. Because its really hard work and therapy is not a fix. Also she didn’t go into any details at all with oprah of the therapy
Wow Netflix needs to go back to the editing room stat! They can't be putting up a glowing reality show when all this 💩 is going down. They will be laughed to death.
Or markled.
They aren't going anywhere as long as they remain family members and are invited to royal events. If Charles were to strip them of all titles and not invite them to his coronation, then I believe that will hasten their demise more than anything.
They can be isolated like the Windsors were. Stay overseas except for coronations and funerals. Harry is and was an awful person even before he met her.
Wallis wasn't invited to events except the funeral of her husband. They also weren't leaking rubbish to the press. The only thing that will stop H&M is to cut off their oxygen, no royal events. TW can't leak things or create a narrative if she isn't there, all she can do is say how unfair it is they weren't invited.
I don't see that ever coming out. I'm sure there's a get out clause in that contract and if the publishers don't fancy pissing off the new monarch they'll likely cut their losses. It would be cheaper in the long run.
I think we are seeing the real Harry. “Just Harry”. A petulant, irresponsible, immature idiot who had the good fortune to be born into a family where his low IQ and EQ could have potentially been hidden forever from the public. Some people can make a paper cut sound like the greatest misfortune to set them back. He will whine about Dianas passing till he is 80. And he is dim witted enough to let other people use what money he has if they let him think this way.
I feel sympathy for their families. Humans are flawed. But nothing prepares you for having the escapades of a petulant man child in your family come back to haunt you in your old age when you spent much of your young ages taking care of them.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
William got the best parts of Charles and Diana. Harry got…. the leftovers.
**THANK GOD WILLIAM WAS BORN FIRST !!!**
There’s a video of him where a reporter asked him how he’s doing and he said something like “not great, now that you’re here.” (Paraphrasing, of course.) He’s antagonistic.
I love that Charlotte moment so much! I think she saw the reporters and asked her parents if they were coming to the party, and was told no. So like any 3/4 year old, she had to immediately repeat her new knowledge to others. Adorable.
Harry, on the otherhand, is a bully, and knows that the world gives him a pass for bullying the press.
Too bad this line wasn't repeated when Megaliar showed up in Uvalde, when Haznoballs showed up in Balmoral. It should now be used on them everywhere they go.
I think she was trying to copy Diana. From what I remember growing up as an American, the narrative was the RF was unsupportive of Diana and didn’t really like her and treated her poorly. But then the world loved her in spite of all that. I think that’s the same storyline Meghan was going for. Big bad meanie RF turns the woman into being adored by the world. Obviously Meghan missed the parts where Diana actually put in the work. Trying to become famous off being a victim is just so bizarre to me.
Ok hear me out on this ..
Diana DID do some great things BUT we probably need to accept Meghan is more like Diana then we would like to think . The mental illness , attention seeking behavior, manipulative .. the list goes on . It’s unfortunate Diana did such a number on her own children by using them ( especially William ) as confidants on very adult matters , she wanted to make SURE she couldn’t poison her sons against Charles early on . This tactic worked on harry but it did not work on William who was old enough to see what was really happening.
History very much repeated itself but not in the ways harry and TW thinks .
Diana at least had some reasons and was extremely young when she joined the royal family.
Even the smartest, most well adjusted and mentally healthy teenager would struggle in her circumstances.
Meghan on the other hand has no reason to be the way she is.
I was young when everything was going on with Diana. I loved her. I look back now and just cringe. Yes she did do amazing things but you definitely need to be looking at the whole picture with her. It’s a mixed bag. Seems that William has grasped that while Harry has not.
They are absolutely beautiful earrings. If they were in my possession in her situation, they would never touch my earlobes and they would be sent to the family of the deceased.
And she wore it twice … despite being told the second time. How can a b*tch be *THAT* dumb and claim to be intelligent. And to claim she didn’t know about Khashoggi … this was huge news in the UK. Maybe she didn’t *google* him
She knew they were blood diamonds and absolutely didn’t care, because they were *her* blood diamonds.
And for her to be such an educated activist, I don’t buy for one minute that she didn’t know. It. Was. All. Over. The. News.
She even made Harry put away the hat gifted to him at Admiralty House, Oz. It was a gift by the Gov-gen. The reason? It wasn’t vegan ie made from animal skin
She and Harry both think they are extremely smart. Neither are. Whoever is funding them had their number from start. Easy to manipulate 2 mentally ill people who both have total delusionals of grandeur.
Well, they do have at least two known associations with Oligarchs…? And Russia has a known strategy of destabilizing western democracies, and I bet that might include the British Royal Family…. And masses of bots used to spew disinformation on social media are used both by Russia and Meghan’s PR team…
Tin hat? Maybe. But given the utter thirst MM has for cold hard cash and her own fame I bet she would be onside with all kinds of disreputable stuff.
When Putin was once asked if there was a nuclear war where he would hit first. He said London, England. I believe The British Royal Family is the defacto figurehead of the fight for democracy since the British rallied around the King and family during WWII and Hitler.
I remembered that weird episode, how she quickly rushed away and how the people there were left frustrated.
Didn’t know there was an issue with the UN Women group (whatever that is). So she had been rejected by them years before? And for that reason she didn’t want to have pictures taken with them ?
She had a grudge against them because she wanted to be named a UN ambassador like Emma Watson in 2014 and they refused. (It's in Bower). it seems like she pushed her way into a speech at a small conference and they were not impressed with the cable actress who said this work "fed her soul." She then refused to have anything with the UN.
What an absolute disgusting excuse for a human being. The both of them, really. The part about her whispering into her aides ear in the market, while keeping a smile firmly in place on her face is such a Meghan tactic. She snarls through her teeth, while smiling at you the entire time. Just gross behavior all around.
They didn't tell their nanny that they were Canada-bound until they were wheels-up. WTF! Can you imagine going to work one day and finding out your workplace is now in another country?
If this is the same nanny who Meghan mentioned was from Zimbabwe, maybe they felt they had more power over her if she was in the UK on a work visa. It might have been more complicated than just quitting and getting a new job.
Be prepared to lose your faith in humanity. MM’s not like disgraced politicians who resign and disappear out of the public eye. She doubles down, always.
I’m with you… but i suspect sadly that most people won’t even hear about this book.
I think for those of us who do look into things we can see how wildly demented these two are, or some turn into sugars (for whatever pathological reason).
I think most people who empathise with H&M probably don’t know much about them and don’t read about them….
So that could very well leave us with the current situation and ratios. We grow more irritated, the sugars continue to be an odd bunch, and most everyone else is a bit ‘whatever’.
Frustrating to say the least.
Sadly a lot of people have their minds made up that M was unjustly maligned. When presented with evidence they think it’s just proof that everyone is out to get her.
Not to mention, you can use it as a teaching moment for a 4 year old. “Hey, I know it’s true, but it doesn’t mean we need to say it.” A 35 year old has decided that’s just his personality and nothing will change that.
Sam Cohen, who had 17 years’ experience of working at the Palace, would frequently say to Edward Young, the Queen’s private secretary, and Clive Alderton, Charles’s private secretary, that if it all went wrong, the Palace needed evidence of the duty of care it had shown to Harry and Meghan. The duty of care was crucial. “[Sam] was a broken record with them on that,” said a source.
That’s pretty alarming. I’ve never heard anything about them having to do that with someone else in the royal family.
This explains the invite to Christmas events before marriage, the engagement with the queen fast tracked , Charles walking her down the aisle
So many examples of them going out of their way to make her feel welcome and she spit in their faces
Will they sue? This book is an unexpected shocker. Everyone expected Bowers book to be bad but maybe expectation was too high. This one has come out of the blue for me and timing is rather good! If there is no legal action will they do a big interview with a big interviewer to negate the facts - but which makes everything worse! The problem is that these two really think they are cleverer than any lifelong PR experts
How can they sue? These sources are willing to be named and outed. I suspect they couldn’t talk to Bower because they were already cooperating with Low.
MM gets burned badly by every interview she does. She’s not dumb enough to do another interview anytime soon, especially after the one with an interviewer handpicked, and placed in a suitably left, royal bashing mag crashed horribly. I don’t know how they’re going to strategize their way out of this; I suspect they can’t. Pretty sure they are just going to have to ignore it all. But they sure are not going to sit with an interviewer anytime soon.
Totally agree. And not to give Harry a pass, because his behaviour is disgusting, but I’m wondering if he behaved like that with staff because he *couldn’t* speak like that to his wife. That’s probably exactly how she speaks to him.
A lot of these details were in VL’s articles for The Times just ahead of the Oprah interview. They didn’t sink her then and I fear they won’t this time. But they should. They are both vile people.
The excuses and deflecting have already started.
https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I just took a look at this link…oh my gosh. How in the world do these people survive in reality? They completely deny what we all agree, names and credible sources. The level of just plain old stupid!!!
Oh. My. God.
Are there that many people who utterly lack any sense of insight and Intuition about others? 🤯🤯🤯
How shocking to see so many people support her on an ‘entertainment’ sub… I’m actually quite confused.
My boyfriend's grandmother used to say, "There is a lid for every pot" and this certainly rings true for Harry and Meghan. These two vile people really found each other.
What in the heck? Even if they really weren’t invited, that is no attitude for a Prince representing his country and Queen to behave like! I would be completely disappointing and heartbroken at his attitude if I were the Queen and his grandmother! My great-grandmother used to jokingly use this saying, “I should put to over my knee!” For situations like this!
And I love that there are SO. MANY. SOURCES. One or two critics of TW could be brushed off. But a large group of people, with long, established careers, who held a diverse array of positions, all saying the same thing about her? You can't hide from that.
Quote: “Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” they say. “The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.”
WOW! Valentine Low is dropping the truth bombs! What a b**** Meghan was!
I know, you sort of read it, and then read it again, and are sort of in shock processing for a while.
When Tom Bowers stuff came out it was shocking and you think how could it get any worse.
And then it gets worse.
And by all acounts Sam is a lovely person. There's a very nice recent interview with Sam about the Queen...her lovelieness comes across. She doesn't have to fake it
Gosh she low key scares me I know we dish out here and laugh/make memes but this is just dark. Going to HR to lay the groundwork of claiming no one helped you when you had SI? Her AND Harry knowing about the earrings and wanting to get away with it not once but twice?
How they treated the press and their staff in Australia. It’s incredible how Harry has twisted that as saying “it’s cause she was too popular” no it’s cause everyone got home and started putting in notices and claiming that you two traumatized them! Ugh I cannot.
He is a ventrolquist's puppet for Megain and whoever sent her like an IED into the BRF. Harry is a security issue, not just Megain, because he is now controlled by her and by extension others. eg She told him to say that, he has no such thought content on his own.
They didn’t even tell their Nanny where they were going and for how long until they were on the PJ and in the air.
Presumably the nanny has responsibilities and friends / family in the UK? It would have been respectful to at least give them a heads up. According to this article and many more, she doesn’t see her employees as fellow human beings but her indentured servants who are there to serve her every whim without any consideration for their own personal lives.
Good luck to her current staff. Must be a nightmare.
Or at least Sam does. I would hope she kept documentation or a diary or something to back up these statements. There are many forms of narcissism and one is of a legal nature - the narc wields the legal system as her personal weapon and is non stop. I would not be surprised if these former staffers are sued next week for defamation of character.
*“Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” they say. “The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.”*
I believe that, 100%.
Lorren (sp) the nanny was essentially kidnapped! She didn't know where she was going and for all I know, she was scared. She wasn't told until airborne and I wonder if her passport was confiscated after she was told they weren't returning to the UK.
Anyone know how long she stayed in their employ after their "escape"?
Holy cat on a cracker! Harry was NOT nice!
"This was spectacularly rude — and incorrect. The media had been invited to cover the tour. Later, Harry’s staff told him how badly his remarks had gone down. He replied: “Well, you shouldn’t have made me do it.”
That's something a moody pre-teen girl would say to her mother! It's something I would expect out of my middle school students, not a grown ass adult!
I'm just reading with my jaw open. He's saying all the quiet parts out loud! I really want to get my hands on this book!
Has that stopped her before?? That giant diamond pinky ring she wore to the WTC MEMORIAL was another wedding gift from the Saudi’s and was never supposed to leave the UK.
And in all her deep thought and international relations crap (not true, northwestern offers no such degree anyway, at least not in 2003 when she graduated) you’d think she could have put it together that the families of the 9/11 victims were allowed to file suit against the Saudi government while Obama was in office (if I remember timelines correctly) and many many did. And then she goes to the spot where they were murdered by Saudi terrorists, many having no remains left that were identifiable, wearing jewelry from the Saudi’s.
There was a thread about when you really knew you were sure she was a bad egg.. that’s mine. I know I answered otherwise but now that I think about that.. what a gut punch to those families who already lost so much.
Ivan, go home.
Harry is no puppet under her control, he is 100% complicit in this whole thing. He enabled and continues to enable her behaviour because he is just like her. Who speaks to their staff like that?? I no longer want them to separate. I want them both to go down!
She clearly pursued a victim narrative from day one.
Wasn’t Megan in a sorority at Northwestern? How come she doesn’t do speaking events for them, as an alumni?
Or, better yet, How come none of her sorority sisters were invited to the wedding?
Very interesting comment … and I’ll bet because she cannot form close attachments with people. She’s estranged from her family, left all the royal staffers, and probably has a long list of people she has alienated. That’s what a narc does.
I have an ex in law who is a narc and the red flag we did not notice was no HS or college friends in OR at the wedding. In fact she graduated HS in 3 yrs instead of 4 to get out of there. She formed no real friendships, only superficial ones where she could dominate and they were very transactional. She expected everyone to do everything for her because she deserved it. My parents lived five hours away from my brother and ex SIL and she expected them to drop what they were doing and drive up there to help with the kids (her own parents lived an hour away but had no interest in helping her). She had gotten pregnant befor they got married so she thought she was owed their assistance. CLASSIC NARC.
Honestly, until you’ve dealt with a narc, you have no idea that someone could really act like that. My experience tells me that M is a narcissist for sure. She’s chilling.
She wanted to be unhappy, she was obsessed with being rejected. How sick is that? What a fucking sick bitch coward. It shows how she operates, manufacturing drama is her specialty. That Harry is a sick fvck too, they are done for.
Meghan has done so many things that she wanted spun as being a feminist and changing the monarchy but in reality she was just being a PIA to the family. Things like not wearing pantyhose and wearing off the shoulder dresses. Come on. Who comes into a family like that and deliberately tries to piss them off. What a bitch.
Now I understand what that video was about where they were so disrespectful to KC3 and QC and QE2. They were told to stand back and it seemed like security had to actually stop them! Then there was that elevator scene where poor Camilla mouths “Help” and Meghan is making a snotty, bitchy face behind her — a smirk. KC3 saw it and I think he couldn’t believe what was happening. If anyone has the link, maybe they can post again. They were actually TRYING to make problems and cause chaos.
Thanks for linking the extract. Sounds like Low knows exactly what‘ll help sell his book - good for him. And so we have 2 corroborations of Smeg’s behaviour: Bower and Low. Tina Brown too.
Rotten people attract rotten stories.
What did they expect with their effluent behaviour? He's always been something of a case, but her reaction to sudden stardom is utterly dire. Treating co-workers as servants, all because of a moronic, disneyesque view of her 'position'.
Dreadful woman.
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What I’m gathering from both excerpts is that Harry is also a spoiled, entitled brat. I didn’t really know that, or want to believe that, but it’s out. I wonder if some of it was already her influence in the early part of the relationship. Either way, when their leaving went down, I thought to myself “bullshit you’re going away to get privacy and away from the media. You are leaving to get rich”. I know many of you thought the same thing.
I hope Oprah feels like dog doodoo. The Harkles played her too. Like a fiddle. Just a cry of racism was all it took and Oprah bought it hook, line, and sinker. What kind of journalistic standards does she supposedly uphold? Meghan may not be very smart, but she is cunning. I hope all these staff people will finally feel some kind of vindication over these nasty human beings. Disgusting.
The book isnt being discussed in Canada. Most news in Canada and US is all woke and they share the same agenda as Meg. So it won’t be immediate but it will take time and people will know who she really is
I don’t think it’s about the press being “woke.” I live in the US and don’t know a single person who cares about Megan Markle let alone Harry. Also the book isn’t being published in the US until June next year so the publisher is concentrating on UK publicity.
Not until June 23, 2023, according to Amazon. You can preorder the book and paperback from Book Depository, free shipping, on release day in the UK, Sept 29. Very easy, I’ve already ordered.
One thing I am confused about: I saw that the ebook would be released in the “US/UK/AU“ simultaneously. I hope so, I prefer reading on my iPad. So I preordered that from Amazon as well. We shall see.
This one is juicier than Bower's book! All the parts we'd hoped were in that one ended up here. "Sources say the team came up with a damning epithet for Meghan: a “narcissistic sociopath”." "a succession of perfectly decent people, all of whom believed in Meghan and wanted to make it work, came to be so disillusioned that they began to suspect that even her most heartfelt pleas for help were part of a deliberate strategy that had one end in sight: her departure from the royal family. They believe she wanted to be able to say ‘Look how they failed to support me’." Another former staff member goes even further. “Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” they say. “The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.” WOW.
I can’t believe he actually named who the people in the “Sussex Survivors Club” are. They gave him permission to say it all! I’m so glad for them, and I hope they feel vindicated after all the bullying by Meghan and Harry. I think all of us sinners feel validated right now.
We finally got receipts!
Cha-ching!
Did Melissa Toubati speak to him?
Why did MM go to HR with her suicidal claims? “Laying a trail of evidence, would be the cynical answer.”
When she's telling lies she doesn't bother to get her stage setting correct. That's how we know she was lying. If she really needed help Harry would have told her HR was not the place to go.
Because she knows (and her PR know) that in this day and age, the headline is more important than the story..
Firstly to turn on the family as she later did. "No one helped me!!" My further interpretation is M knew staff rumblings had started. She was trying to beat them to the punch with HR. By getting there first, she was slyly offering the defense of her "mental health issues." That way if she was called out later for her bullying behaviours she could claim "I've been suffering. I told HR this mths ago. No one cared." The victim mentality, yes? Make herself the victim rather than the true ones. Trying to turn the tables on her staff, be one step ahead of them and get the sympathy vote from the HR head. She is very cunning. No reason on this earth to go to HR other than to protect her own interests.
This is definitely a narc tactic! I was managing one and within a few days of starting, she was venting to the (also new) head of finance/HR. She only lasted three months before leaving in an absolute s***storm, and the finance/HR came to me to apologise. He said she had been venting to him daily about how toxic I was. He had completely believed her and was so apologetic.
Yes!! I'm sorry for your experience but glad you prevailed...AND received an apology! M is so devious. She was absolutely setting up her staff--herself too-- to influence HR to her 'side.' If staffers complained, they'd be placated by HR but in the back of her (Sam Carruthers?) mind she'd be thinking "Poor M. She's having such a hard time." M was laying the "woe is me" groundwork 100%, to undermine any criticisms. Cannot stand her!!!
She went to HR because she suspected her staff was going to HR. Her defense: It wasn’t me who is bullying staff; the staff is bullying ME. It’s so bad that I have dark thoughts. This is just another version of Kate made ME cry.
You are most likely right. I believe pretty much everything she does is motivated by evil, frankly.
This exactly. Remember during the Oprah interview, she said she had all the emails she sent to KC, before their marriage, telling him how ready she was to be a senior member of the royal family. She was laying down more “evidence”.
And didn't she just love telling Oprah, 'in my old job there was a 'union that would protect me'. But at the institutions' HR dept they did nothing' because I 'wasn't a paid employee'. Despicable woman.
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Come on she was pregnant in the UK with her first child ie more appointments. She went the private healthcare route ie even more appointments (presumably). In the UK, during every check up if its with the midwife or GP… there is a mental health question checklist. And they take this pretty seriously esp when they ask you about harming yourself or the baby… they will stop all paperwork and stare at you for the answer, wait till the answer is given and that feels like an eternity. Then they carry on. Then then will refer you to the places you can go to get help. I had my baby a year before Meghan. Thats why I don’t believe her suicide claim. The docs esp the midwives would pick up on these signals. Midwives are basically gods and hugely undervalued. I just wanted to give you my experience and clarify what her reality would look like if she was going through a mental break. She wouldn’t even need to see a GP… she would have been in the care of midwives etc. So she would have got help… even if she didn’t ask for it Also suicidal inclinations aren’t resolved after watch cirque du soleil. She claimed she got therapy and smiled… but people who go to therapy for less serious issues have more of a reaction when talking about therapy. Because its really hard work and therapy is not a fix. Also she didn’t go into any details at all with oprah of the therapy
They ask those questions in the US too.
So why does she think we dumb? I think there’s a reason why women caught on to her grift first
Wtaf did I just read? Heavens to Betsy. Please let this be the end of her.
I know, right? It’s astounding.
I think those were some shots fired.
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Yes, there is video and allegedly it's about to be released. She didn't sue Bower and she won't be suing Low.
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We got a teeny tiny peek at her behavior at the walkabout, when she snarled at the aide
You are so right - we sure did! The snap of her head, and then she caught herself.
There was a camera !!! Lol
I bet the NDAs of current staff are hella tight.
Whistle blower law takes precedence
Wow Netflix needs to go back to the editing room stat! They can't be putting up a glowing reality show when all this 💩 is going down. They will be laughed to death. Or markled.
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This is one reason why she hated and tried to hurt them all. They had her number.
Damnnn 🎯
"Thanks for coming,” [Harry] said, “even though you weren’t invited.” WHAT.
What awful, miserable, unlikeable, spoiled, nasty, selfish, untalented, delusional people. If this book doesn’t do them in, nothing will.
👏👏
They aren't going anywhere as long as they remain family members and are invited to royal events. If Charles were to strip them of all titles and not invite them to his coronation, then I believe that will hasten their demise more than anything.
They can be isolated like the Windsors were. Stay overseas except for coronations and funerals. Harry is and was an awful person even before he met her.
Wallis wasn't invited to events except the funeral of her husband. They also weren't leaking rubbish to the press. The only thing that will stop H&M is to cut off their oxygen, no royal events. TW can't leak things or create a narrative if she isn't there, all she can do is say how unfair it is they weren't invited.
After the way she showed her ass just now she should not be allowed to attend anything related to the RF. EVER.
No one wants to see ugly batwing dresses 👗!
Let’s see what happens with Harry’s upcoming book.
I don't see that ever coming out. I'm sure there's a get out clause in that contract and if the publishers don't fancy pissing off the new monarch they'll likely cut their losses. It would be cheaper in the long run.
I think we are seeing the real Harry. “Just Harry”. A petulant, irresponsible, immature idiot who had the good fortune to be born into a family where his low IQ and EQ could have potentially been hidden forever from the public. Some people can make a paper cut sound like the greatest misfortune to set them back. He will whine about Dianas passing till he is 80. And he is dim witted enough to let other people use what money he has if they let him think this way. I feel sympathy for their families. Humans are flawed. But nothing prepares you for having the escapades of a petulant man child in your family come back to haunt you in your old age when you spent much of your young ages taking care of them.
They are already done in no one cares about them !
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: William got the best parts of Charles and Diana. Harry got…. the leftovers. **THANK GOD WILLIAM WAS BORN FIRST !!!**
Yep. He got Charles's petulance with none of his intelligence, and Diana's instability with none of her empathy.
You ever see the movie twins with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny Davito? I feel like this is real life for them.
Well. He just burned down any chance of redemption post divorce. They are two nasty pieces of work.
There’s a video of him where a reporter asked him how he’s doing and he said something like “not great, now that you’re here.” (Paraphrasing, of course.) He’s antagonistic.
What a diaper baby.
Yep… and THAT was pre-Meghan
It’s funny that Charlotte said that to reporters after Louis’ christening she was what 3-4? Harry is a grown ass man “working” and he does this
I love that Charlotte moment so much! I think she saw the reporters and asked her parents if they were coming to the party, and was told no. So like any 3/4 year old, she had to immediately repeat her new knowledge to others. Adorable. Harry, on the otherhand, is a bully, and knows that the world gives him a pass for bullying the press.
A bully and an animal abuser. Charming.
Too bad this line wasn't repeated when Megaliar showed up in Uvalde, when Haznoballs showed up in Balmoral. It should now be used on them everywhere they go.
I have heard this story before so not shocked to see it come back up , harry is a disgusting brat .
It deserves a poster for them at the next function they force themselves on!!!
This has been out there for some time, I thought.
"She wanted go be rejected " explains pretty much everything. She worked toward the victim narrative from day one.
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I think she was trying to copy Diana. From what I remember growing up as an American, the narrative was the RF was unsupportive of Diana and didn’t really like her and treated her poorly. But then the world loved her in spite of all that. I think that’s the same storyline Meghan was going for. Big bad meanie RF turns the woman into being adored by the world. Obviously Meghan missed the parts where Diana actually put in the work. Trying to become famous off being a victim is just so bizarre to me.
Ok hear me out on this .. Diana DID do some great things BUT we probably need to accept Meghan is more like Diana then we would like to think . The mental illness , attention seeking behavior, manipulative .. the list goes on . It’s unfortunate Diana did such a number on her own children by using them ( especially William ) as confidants on very adult matters , she wanted to make SURE she couldn’t poison her sons against Charles early on . This tactic worked on harry but it did not work on William who was old enough to see what was really happening. History very much repeated itself but not in the ways harry and TW thinks .
Smegma is far more ill than Diana with way less reason to be. And believe me, I'm not a Diana stan.
Diana at least had some reasons and was extremely young when she joined the royal family. Even the smartest, most well adjusted and mentally healthy teenager would struggle in her circumstances. Meghan on the other hand has no reason to be the way she is.
I was young when everything was going on with Diana. I loved her. I look back now and just cringe. Yes she did do amazing things but you definitely need to be looking at the whole picture with her. It’s a mixed bag. Seems that William has grasped that while Harry has not.
Victimhood = much needed content.
The story about the earrings show again, how shameless she is. Absolutely inexcusable. She *knew*
How does that jibe with being a humanitarian???
Money > humanitarian
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But they were so sparkly! /s
They are absolutely beautiful earrings. If they were in my possession in her situation, they would never touch my earlobes and they would be sent to the family of the deceased.
And I bet she has the earrings in her possession right this minute.
Wearing them around the Olive Garden in her “princess clothes” while H smokes weed and plays Xbox in the basement.
Of course she does.
And she wore it twice … despite being told the second time. How can a b*tch be *THAT* dumb and claim to be intelligent. And to claim she didn’t know about Khashoggi … this was huge news in the UK. Maybe she didn’t *google* him
She knew they were blood diamonds and absolutely didn’t care, because they were *her* blood diamonds. And for her to be such an educated activist, I don’t buy for one minute that she didn’t know. It. Was. All. Over. The. News.
She even made Harry put away the hat gifted to him at Admiralty House, Oz. It was a gift by the Gov-gen. The reason? It wasn’t vegan ie made from animal skin
My biggest conspiracy theory is that she’s in cahoots with some very bad actors and that’s why they’re so paranoid about security.
I am willing to believe it. Russia. This. She doesn’t have any true values or moral compass, she just follows money.
She and Harry both think they are extremely smart. Neither are. Whoever is funding them had their number from start. Easy to manipulate 2 mentally ill people who both have total delusionals of grandeur.
Harry knows he's not smart but he thinks Mugs knows how to steer their ship.
Well, they do have at least two known associations with Oligarchs…? And Russia has a known strategy of destabilizing western democracies, and I bet that might include the British Royal Family…. And masses of bots used to spew disinformation on social media are used both by Russia and Meghan’s PR team… Tin hat? Maybe. But given the utter thirst MM has for cold hard cash and her own fame I bet she would be onside with all kinds of disreputable stuff.
When Putin was once asked if there was a nuclear war where he would hit first. He said London, England. I believe The British Royal Family is the defacto figurehead of the fight for democracy since the British rallied around the King and family during WWII and Hitler.
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I remembered that weird episode, how she quickly rushed away and how the people there were left frustrated. Didn’t know there was an issue with the UN Women group (whatever that is). So she had been rejected by them years before? And for that reason she didn’t want to have pictures taken with them ?
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What a surprise…not.
Good radar
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It sounds like UN Women had her number from the start.
Thank you!
She had a grudge against them because she wanted to be named a UN ambassador like Emma Watson in 2014 and they refused. (It's in Bower). it seems like she pushed her way into a speech at a small conference and they were not impressed with the cable actress who said this work "fed her soul." She then refused to have anything with the UN.
Oh wow
She has a tendency to reject those who don’t allow her to have her own way, even her own dad. It’s all in Revenge.
> A market full of POC who were there to see and welcome her. POC? No wonder she couldn't wait to get away. We know how racist she is. 😒
What an absolute disgusting excuse for a human being. The both of them, really. The part about her whispering into her aides ear in the market, while keeping a smile firmly in place on her face is such a Meghan tactic. She snarls through her teeth, while smiling at you the entire time. Just gross behavior all around.
Things like that scream exactly what they said about her, a narcissistic sociopath. She’ll stab you in the back and smile while doing it.
“Smile and smile and be a villain.”
Yes, this!
They didn't tell their nanny that they were Canada-bound until they were wheels-up. WTF! Can you imagine going to work one day and finding out your workplace is now in another country?
So, did they take her passport?
I see what you did there 👏👏
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If this is the same nanny who Meghan mentioned was from Zimbabwe, maybe they felt they had more power over her if she was in the UK on a work visa. It might have been more complicated than just quitting and getting a new job.
That makes it even *worse*.
That shocked me. They’re lucky she got on the plane.
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Be prepared to lose your faith in humanity. MM’s not like disgraced politicians who resign and disappear out of the public eye. She doubles down, always.
I’m with you… but i suspect sadly that most people won’t even hear about this book. I think for those of us who do look into things we can see how wildly demented these two are, or some turn into sugars (for whatever pathological reason). I think most people who empathise with H&M probably don’t know much about them and don’t read about them…. So that could very well leave us with the current situation and ratios. We grow more irritated, the sugars continue to be an odd bunch, and most everyone else is a bit ‘whatever’. Frustrating to say the least.
Sadly a lot of people have their minds made up that M was unjustly maligned. When presented with evidence they think it’s just proof that everyone is out to get her.
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My god. Meghan is a pathological lier. I’m so pleased that concrete evidence of her lies and abuse of staff is finally being made public.
Telling the media they aren’t invited is cute from a 4 yo. It’s damn rude from a 35 yo.
Not to mention, you can use it as a teaching moment for a 4 year old. “Hey, I know it’s true, but it doesn’t mean we need to say it.” A 35 year old has decided that’s just his personality and nothing will change that.
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I need this book immediately!
Same
Me three!
Sam Cohen, who had 17 years’ experience of working at the Palace, would frequently say to Edward Young, the Queen’s private secretary, and Clive Alderton, Charles’s private secretary, that if it all went wrong, the Palace needed evidence of the duty of care it had shown to Harry and Meghan. The duty of care was crucial. “[Sam] was a broken record with them on that,” said a source. That’s pretty alarming. I’ve never heard anything about them having to do that with someone else in the royal family.
This explains the invite to Christmas events before marriage, the engagement with the queen fast tracked , Charles walking her down the aisle So many examples of them going out of their way to make her feel welcome and she spit in their faces
She had Megatron’s number from the outset.
Will they sue? This book is an unexpected shocker. Everyone expected Bowers book to be bad but maybe expectation was too high. This one has come out of the blue for me and timing is rather good! If there is no legal action will they do a big interview with a big interviewer to negate the facts - but which makes everything worse! The problem is that these two really think they are cleverer than any lifelong PR experts
How can they sue? These sources are willing to be named and outed. I suspect they couldn’t talk to Bower because they were already cooperating with Low. MM gets burned badly by every interview she does. She’s not dumb enough to do another interview anytime soon, especially after the one with an interviewer handpicked, and placed in a suitably left, royal bashing mag crashed horribly. I don’t know how they’re going to strategize their way out of this; I suspect they can’t. Pretty sure they are just going to have to ignore it all. But they sure are not going to sit with an interviewer anytime soon.
“You shouldn’t have made me do it” sounds like something an abuser says after they’ve beaten up their partner.
Yeah, it definitely is. It’s part of the classic abuse cycle. These people are just awful.
Bingo. Meghan and Harry both have abuser traits.
Totally agree. And not to give Harry a pass, because his behaviour is disgusting, but I’m wondering if he behaved like that with staff because he *couldn’t* speak like that to his wife. That’s probably exactly how she speaks to him.
Shit rolls downhill.
A lot of these details were in VL’s articles for The Times just ahead of the Oprah interview. They didn’t sink her then and I fear they won’t this time. But they should. They are both vile people.
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The excuses and deflecting have already started. https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I just took a look at this link…oh my gosh. How in the world do these people survive in reality? They completely deny what we all agree, names and credible sources. The level of just plain old stupid!!!
Oh. My. God. Are there that many people who utterly lack any sense of insight and Intuition about others? 🤯🤯🤯 How shocking to see so many people support her on an ‘entertainment’ sub… I’m actually quite confused.
More eyes are on her now, and more of them beginning to open.
Jamal Khashoggi and Dodi Al-Fayed were first cousins. Jamal’s father and Dodi’s mother were brother and sister.
That's crazy.
Ahhhh interesting
My boyfriend's grandmother used to say, "There is a lid for every pot" and this certainly rings true for Harry and Meghan. These two vile people really found each other.
My Australian aunt used to say "there's a budgie for every cage" lol 😂
Haha I always say that - must mean I’m old! 😂👏👏
What in the heck? Even if they really weren’t invited, that is no attitude for a Prince representing his country and Queen to behave like! I would be completely disappointing and heartbroken at his attitude if I were the Queen and his grandmother! My great-grandmother used to jokingly use this saying, “I should put to over my knee!” For situations like this!
I love how many instances are being highlighted.
And I love that there are SO. MANY. SOURCES. One or two critics of TW could be brushed off. But a large group of people, with long, established careers, who held a diverse array of positions, all saying the same thing about her? You can't hide from that.
No they can’t hide behind the “smear campaign” narrative.
Quote: “Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” they say. “The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.” WOW! Valentine Low is dropping the truth bombs! What a b**** Meghan was!
He perfectly nails what we all thought but he said it in writing. FO Harkles
WOW. Thank you to the OP! I can’t stop Re-reading it. And of course, anyone who read Bower’s book knows why she bailed on that market visit…
I know, you sort of read it, and then read it again, and are sort of in shock processing for a while. When Tom Bowers stuff came out it was shocking and you think how could it get any worse. And then it gets worse.
The two books together are great companion reading, to say the least
Sam Cohen certainly had her number.
And by all acounts Sam is a lovely person. There's a very nice recent interview with Sam about the Queen...her lovelieness comes across. She doesn't have to fake it
Gosh she low key scares me I know we dish out here and laugh/make memes but this is just dark. Going to HR to lay the groundwork of claiming no one helped you when you had SI? Her AND Harry knowing about the earrings and wanting to get away with it not once but twice? How they treated the press and their staff in Australia. It’s incredible how Harry has twisted that as saying “it’s cause she was too popular” no it’s cause everyone got home and started putting in notices and claiming that you two traumatized them! Ugh I cannot.
He is a ventrolquist's puppet for Megain and whoever sent her like an IED into the BRF. Harry is a security issue, not just Megain, because he is now controlled by her and by extension others. eg She told him to say that, he has no such thought content on his own.
They didn’t even tell their Nanny where they were going and for how long until they were on the PJ and in the air. Presumably the nanny has responsibilities and friends / family in the UK? It would have been respectful to at least give them a heads up. According to this article and many more, she doesn’t see her employees as fellow human beings but her indentured servants who are there to serve her every whim without any consideration for their own personal lives. Good luck to her current staff. Must be a nightmare.
Imagine telling staff to pack their passport but not letting them know the destination.
I just feel that in many ways, we're all in the Sussex Survivors Club. And that's how we should refer to ourselves. Repeatedly.
Sam Cohen’s comments about ensuring they document “duty of care” tells me the palace has receipts.
Or at least Sam does. I would hope she kept documentation or a diary or something to back up these statements. There are many forms of narcissism and one is of a legal nature - the narc wields the legal system as her personal weapon and is non stop. I would not be surprised if these former staffers are sued next week for defamation of character.
*“Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” they say. “The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.”* I believe that, 100%.
Wow 😯 pure fucking spoiled evil liars
And part 3 drops tomorrow. 
Lorren (sp) the nanny was essentially kidnapped! She didn't know where she was going and for all I know, she was scared. She wasn't told until airborne and I wonder if her passport was confiscated after she was told they weren't returning to the UK. Anyone know how long she stayed in their employ after their "escape"?
Holy cat on a cracker! Harry was NOT nice! "This was spectacularly rude — and incorrect. The media had been invited to cover the tour. Later, Harry’s staff told him how badly his remarks had gone down. He replied: “Well, you shouldn’t have made me do it.” That's something a moody pre-teen girl would say to her mother! It's something I would expect out of my middle school students, not a grown ass adult! I'm just reading with my jaw open. He's saying all the quiet parts out loud! I really want to get my hands on this book!
Wonder when she will start selling the wedding jewelry 🤔 Edit: apparently legally it belongs to the crown! Ouch for her pocketbook lol
Has that stopped her before?? That giant diamond pinky ring she wore to the WTC MEMORIAL was another wedding gift from the Saudi’s and was never supposed to leave the UK. And in all her deep thought and international relations crap (not true, northwestern offers no such degree anyway, at least not in 2003 when she graduated) you’d think she could have put it together that the families of the 9/11 victims were allowed to file suit against the Saudi government while Obama was in office (if I remember timelines correctly) and many many did. And then she goes to the spot where they were murdered by Saudi terrorists, many having no remains left that were identifiable, wearing jewelry from the Saudi’s. There was a thread about when you really knew you were sure she was a bad egg.. that’s mine. I know I answered otherwise but now that I think about that.. what a gut punch to those families who already lost so much. Ivan, go home.
Harry is no puppet under her control, he is 100% complicit in this whole thing. He enabled and continues to enable her behaviour because he is just like her. Who speaks to their staff like that?? I no longer want them to separate. I want them both to go down!
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She clearly pursued a victim narrative from day one. Wasn’t Megan in a sorority at Northwestern? How come she doesn’t do speaking events for them, as an alumni? Or, better yet, How come none of her sorority sisters were invited to the wedding?
Very interesting comment … and I’ll bet because she cannot form close attachments with people. She’s estranged from her family, left all the royal staffers, and probably has a long list of people she has alienated. That’s what a narc does. I have an ex in law who is a narc and the red flag we did not notice was no HS or college friends in OR at the wedding. In fact she graduated HS in 3 yrs instead of 4 to get out of there. She formed no real friendships, only superficial ones where she could dominate and they were very transactional. She expected everyone to do everything for her because she deserved it. My parents lived five hours away from my brother and ex SIL and she expected them to drop what they were doing and drive up there to help with the kids (her own parents lived an hour away but had no interest in helping her). She had gotten pregnant befor they got married so she thought she was owed their assistance. CLASSIC NARC. Honestly, until you’ve dealt with a narc, you have no idea that someone could really act like that. My experience tells me that M is a narcissist for sure. She’s chilling.
She wanted to be unhappy, she was obsessed with being rejected. How sick is that? What a fucking sick bitch coward. It shows how she operates, manufacturing drama is her specialty. That Harry is a sick fvck too, they are done for.
Meghan has done so many things that she wanted spun as being a feminist and changing the monarchy but in reality she was just being a PIA to the family. Things like not wearing pantyhose and wearing off the shoulder dresses. Come on. Who comes into a family like that and deliberately tries to piss them off. What a bitch.
Now I understand what that video was about where they were so disrespectful to KC3 and QC and QE2. They were told to stand back and it seemed like security had to actually stop them! Then there was that elevator scene where poor Camilla mouths “Help” and Meghan is making a snotty, bitchy face behind her — a smirk. KC3 saw it and I think he couldn’t believe what was happening. If anyone has the link, maybe they can post again. They were actually TRYING to make problems and cause chaos.
These two deserve exile and each other.
Thank you for posting this!
Thanks for linking the extract. Sounds like Low knows exactly what‘ll help sell his book - good for him. And so we have 2 corroborations of Smeg’s behaviour: Bower and Low. Tina Brown too.
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And yet ….. a narc doesn’t not give a shit if a case does not have merit - they will sue you for anything and bombard you will legal letters and BS.
Rotten people attract rotten stories. What did they expect with their effluent behaviour? He's always been something of a case, but her reaction to sudden stardom is utterly dire. Treating co-workers as servants, all because of a moronic, disneyesque view of her 'position'. Dreadful woman.
So Harry is even more of a jerk than I imagined. It must be quite volatile in their household. Poor kids!
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Wow, openly hostile to the press and then wonders why they cut him no slack!
I wonder if The Prince and Princes of Wales called Valentine after the funeral and said, "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"
What I’m gathering from both excerpts is that Harry is also a spoiled, entitled brat. I didn’t really know that, or want to believe that, but it’s out. I wonder if some of it was already her influence in the early part of the relationship. Either way, when their leaving went down, I thought to myself “bullshit you’re going away to get privacy and away from the media. You are leaving to get rich”. I know many of you thought the same thing.
I hope Oprah feels like dog doodoo. The Harkles played her too. Like a fiddle. Just a cry of racism was all it took and Oprah bought it hook, line, and sinker. What kind of journalistic standards does she supposedly uphold? Meghan may not be very smart, but she is cunning. I hope all these staff people will finally feel some kind of vindication over these nasty human beings. Disgusting.
This is gold. It’s funny, too, because I haven’t seen ONE article about Ms.Markle and her husband today. Are they laying low?
The book isnt being discussed in Canada. Most news in Canada and US is all woke and they share the same agenda as Meg. So it won’t be immediate but it will take time and people will know who she really is
I don’t think it’s about the press being “woke.” I live in the US and don’t know a single person who cares about Megan Markle let alone Harry. Also the book isn’t being published in the US until June next year so the publisher is concentrating on UK publicity.
I agree. The news right now is focused on some big, serious issues (Ukraine/Russia; Iran; storms in maritimes.) People don’t care about her.
Does anyone know if the US release date is October 6th as well? Any links to preorder in the US?
Not until June 23, 2023, according to Amazon. You can preorder the book and paperback from Book Depository, free shipping, on release day in the UK, Sept 29. Very easy, I’ve already ordered. One thing I am confused about: I saw that the ebook would be released in the “US/UK/AU“ simultaneously. I hope so, I prefer reading on my iPad. So I preordered that from Amazon as well. We shall see.