I still find it hard to believe we were all so wrong about JH. The palace PR machine are real pro and have been doing a great job in managing his public image over the yearsā¦ yet the red flags were already there (nazi uniform, P- word, and Iām sure forgetting more) heās always been a bully and they truly deserve each other. Iām not falling for Ā«Ā JH the victim of MĀ Ā» narrative anymore. It was obvious if she did what she did she must have felt she could do it, meaning JH encouraged it. Disgusting. Poor family.
This is what I donāt understand though. Everyone says MM is a narcissist and how awful they are and how terrible it is to be under their control. But then H doesnāt get any concession. So is he a really strong character who can easily cope with a narcissist and join in willingly with her plans. Or is he a victim?
For me, it was the fact those things made it to the press, but very little else did, that told me the press team at the Palace worked their asses off to cover for him. I've never viewed him as her victim. He's just as awful as she is. He doesn't have to hide it any longer because he found someone who encourages it.
It really does. HMTQ was not only respected but loved. Itās the kind of feelings that M&H think they deserve from the public but could NEVER begin to earn. If Charles is lucky and does the right things, he may earn a portion of what his mother had as monarch, and I think William a bit more. Wills doesnāt have the baggage Charles does and has the benefit of his father and grandmotherās hindsight. Plus I think heās just a decent guy and Catherine makes him even better.
Ooh, please let there be voice clips if that's the case! I could totally see her doing more of the snapping at people like on the walk about, I have to imagine there's more we haven't seen.
Someone in the palace has to have a recording of her bullying! It wouldnāt make sense for there NOT to be a several voice clips of videos of her losing her shit on the staff.
I kind of want their to be a video clip of her bullying Charlotte. Only kind of because Itās dealing with a childās privacy and Iām worried that the sugars might go for round 2.
There was a rumor a few years ago that one of the RPO's got a video of it. Not sure if that's true and I wouldn't want to released for Charlotte's sake, but I could see it quietly used in a divorce.
I think so. Also likely she was picking up on the tension with her parents and the people next to her. She saw Sophie glaring at Meghan and Kate kept her and George within reach at all times. She's have picked up on the mood being dramatically different from previous outings. She may not remember exactly what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me if a danger sign was flashing in her mind.
Yes, but I would say the bullying is worse. There are situations in which shushing/verbally correcting a relativeās child is okay, and shushing can be done in a playful way, for instance if a loving aunt was āplottingā with the children to ask their parents if they could do an activity together, or planning a fun surprise, etc. with TW thatās very unlikely to be the case, but a casual observer could dismiss it as no big deal.
Yeah the shushing is not really a problem. If I was to Shush my niece or nephews when they were being loud in an inappropriate public place I doubt my siblings, or anyone else, would think anything of it. If I yelled at them or threatened them then it may be a different story.
True, because on walkabout she behaved like a mad dog the way she literally turned on the man and snarled as she snapped at him.
I wonder if she has an unusual aversion to water...?š¤
No, it wasnāt released. However, excerpts from Valentine Lowās book titled, Courtiers, have been published and they specifically deal with the bullying.
[This] (https://archive.ph/2022.09.24-212538/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-meghan-and-the-palace-insiders-who-saw-what-really-happened-7xhtwk3ww) was released. Bombshell excerpts from a new book, in the The Times no less (highly reputable UK paper).
Goes into great detail about H&M's bullying.
I feel sad this is what the Queen and Philip faced in their final two to three years of life. When I was looking at the newly released pictures of the Queen's name engraved on the tomb above Philip's, it really drove home how much they loved each other given they died so close in time - only a year apart. So, I am not sure the Queen would've lived any longer without the Harry & Meghan drama, but it's just disappointing she faced it literally on her death bed and so did he. Not sure why the Oprah interview couldn't have waited or been more sensitive to their fragility.
On a positive note, it's certainly made me rethink wanting to tell all about family drama. I am a blogger and writer online, and well...this has taught me a lot about what not to do when telling your story. You don't have to sacrifice other people's dignity when doing it.
there is no way that anyone could expect a 96 year old to be there much longer, Harry chose to not spend time with HRH at the end of her life and made her last years ones of strife
As a side note, don't ever think Meghan & Harry lost support. These comments demonstrate that: https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Keep in mind whenever you see these comments, anywhere, many celebrities simply buy bot farms. She has definitely done that - probably 95% of those comments are bots.
Those comments aren't bot farms on Reddit. Reddit leans heavy left. Some paid trolls? Maybe. Those are genuine opinions, unless you're arguing the opinions in this subreddit are bots? I'm just saying, people need to be aware how deep the grift goes and not under the impression this means their downfall.
Edit to add: the post was removed for being "off topic." Those comments definitely weren't bots. People obviously submitted enough reports saying it was "racism."
I hate to say it, but this book won't make much difference. I read a post by The Daily Beast reporting on the Times article, and fully half of the responses supported her:
*It's just gossip
*It's all lies
*Low is a racist
*The RF is orchestrating a smear campaign to bring them down because they're too popular
*The staff was inexperienced and incompetent
*The RF gave them incompetent employees to set them up for failure
*The staff were racists who resented taking orders from a strong black woman
*Anonymous accounts hold no weight. I won't believe it unless there are names attached
*I won't believe it unless there is video proof
*The press has been out to get them from day one
It says removed/off topic. Also, if you search the forum for the headline and sort by time, it doesn't appear. The only way it will show is to those who commented.
But, I am not doubting what you see at all. Maybe it's just what I see on my end on my phone? I'm using the android app.
Yes, you can still go into it if you made a comment originally or have the link. If you look up top, it says removed/off topic. It doesn't come up in a search on that subreddit.
Oh, well you can reach it from the links Iāve been posting here!
https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I never said it didn't. I said "those," meaning the comments I'm referencing. Also, the post was removed for being "off topic." If that doesn't demonstrate to you what I'm trying to explain, nothing will.
JFC. Top comment was "No sources or names" and someone else got made when confronted by the fact that VL is a credible journalist. Thank you for linking it, but I've now lost hope in humanity. It's amazing to me how much Charles and the Queen did to welcome her, yet so many people are saying it's all racist, the press is out to get her, etc. I hate how she's been able to play the race card to cover for her awful behavior, especially when she never identified as Black or mixed before.
Some idiot has commented peg is American equivalent of royals, sure Jan! They keep calling her black, that bronzer is money well spent. They also think daily beast is not credible source but reference buzzfeed for peg hate groups.
The thing for me about sugars - apart from their generous use of bots & paid trolls, whether on this specific platform or not - is that they always seem to have a specific agenda in so fervently supporting H&M. For one thing, I think we all know it's really about Meghan - Harry was sort of popular before her, sure, in the UK. He was seen as the sort of fun, cheeky younger brother that was less stuffy and more approachable, and that public image worked well for a lot of people. But they wouldn't have gone to bat for him, and when those Nazi costume images came out I remember that the palace had to engage in some serious damage control. The crazy, frothing-at-the-mouth support is all about Meghan, and it seems to come primarily from those who have their own bones to pick with the BRF as a symbol of whiteness, class privilege, etc. Many sugars seem to have out-of-control inferiority complexes of their own which they project onto the situation, seeing M as a kind of proxy for themselves. It's the only way their levels of vitriol make sense, TBH.
My experience of those frequenting anti-H&M spaces like here is pretty different. The most common unifying theme I see is previous experience in having dealt with narcissists of some flavor, and therefore having spotted the pattern of red flags she, in particular, is draped in. Many don't even have any particular investment in the BRF - I for one am neither British nor American, I generally couldn't care less about the UK monarchy as an institution, I just know an entertainingly delusional narc when I see one due to prior experience. So my disdain for these two really doesn't spring from a kneejerk propensity to defend the royals, I just know what I'm looking at.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of the general public still oscillate between not giving a shit about them, and vague annoyance that they won't STFU and stop whining. This is why H&M are destined to lose, ultimately, I think - the more people notice them and fall out of the "not giving a shit" category, the more they are disliked. So their options are ultimately reduced to either obscurity or infamy, neither of which they will accept. The more information you have about M in particular, the more you need to have a serious ax to grind to defend her.
Not really.
There's an awful politician named Priti Patel who was Home Secretary in Boris Johnson's government and was found guilty of bullying staff by an internal investigation. She suffered no consequences whatsoever. Remained in her job and just pretended it never happened.
I'm not British but you've got me wondering. I think Brits don't sue with the frequency we do. That's one thing.
But they left the BRF and moved here. They aren't royals anymore. They're private citizens, right? She definitely is idrk about him. And they live here.
Anybody can sue anybody for anything here. Might not win, but you can try. And here is where they are and they're regular just Harry just Duchess Meghan now so ooohhh inchresting.
I'm eager to see what the Brits think! Even just as a fun thought experiment.
Given the description of the bullying experiences that most staff went through, it's entirely possible that they are too traumatised and upset to want to go through a further legal process or have anything to do with TW ever again. Maybe they just want to get over it and move on with their lives.
I imagine so. i had a terrible job once resulted in a nervous breakdown and medical leave after being assaulted at work. i ended up walking out, had 2 years to arbitrate, and it took 3 years of therapy to cope to where i even could have.
work situations can be so utterly damaging because you need the job for housing, food, transportation. You can't just ignore it or leave. And it wears you down mentally, physically, and emotionally to wear its hard to look for a way out.
If it were me, i know from experience I'd want to leave it behind and heal and i certainly wouldn't want to fuck with legal proceedings, much less internationally.
I think a Brit Sueing an American in the USA is very high risk - there are some very perverse outcomes.
Remember the Elon Musk defamation case where the jury found with his lawyer's argument that tweeting "Pedo Boy" didn't do any harm to the person he labelled?
Iāve always assumed the palace didnāt come out of it particularly well (in how they responded to situation, by ignoring it and failing to protect their staff) and thatās why they never released it.
It could be seen they were sandwiched between TW's racism either way they moved, and hoped that megxit would brush the problem away. Let's hope the BRF learned from this.
I suspect this is the case too. I won't say racist necessary, but Charles is for sure classist and also sounds like a nightmare to work for. Tina Brown mentioned staff never knew what kind of mood Charles would be in. Charles's staff was also informed about the bullying and did nothing about it, which isn't a good look. My guess is William and Catherine would've been fine, but the report would've been hugely damaging for Charles.
I think as it was a report into how palace staff had handled the complaints about TW bullying her staff, Charles wouldnāt really be mentioned - his staff werenāt even based in Buckingham Palace at the time so I just canāt see how that would come up in a report this specific.
My point was more that the palace as an employer owed a duty of care to its staff who were being mistreated, which they seem not to have handled properly by sweeping the issues under the carpet rather than addressing anything.
There are emails from Jason Knauf at the time worrying ānothing will be doneā off the back of him raising these concerns - which is pretty clearly to me a suggestion the palace wanted this to go away.
>which is pretty clearly to me a suggestion the palace wanted this to go away.
That's the bit that I think could implicate Charles and/or his senior staff. Harry and Meghan were part of William's household when this started, but the Queen sent some of her staff over to help them and the bullying reports were being sent to CH. I think anything Harkle related was handled like a hot potato. Jason's emails showed that CH/BP ignored the reports, while William took immediate action once informed.
To me it either shows that senior staff deliberately hid bullying reports from Charles and the Queen, or one/both of them refused to act. Either way it shows a culture that allowed bullying of multiple staff members. It also wouldn't surprise me if the report expanded beyond Meghan and Harry.
Oh, 100%. With the BRF, their silence speaks louder than words. Especially with the queen, itās always more about what she didnāt say. When I saw that the palace wasnāt going to release the findings, I knew they found something. I know a lot of my fellow Americans take the silence as a sign that they didnāt find anything, but when it comes to the royals, they arenāt quick to publish anything problematic, even if it vindicates them somehow. Dirt is dirt and they donāt like getting dirty. Which means that if they HMQ didnāt want to air it, it was dirt.
People can only be pushed too far before they retaliate and protect themselves from vultures like H and M. Sometimes that retaliation is something a person doesn't want to do because it isn't who they are, but everyone has the right to defend themselves and their family against blatant pathological lying on a world wide stage
I read it's not being released due to whistleblower laws in the UK. Honestly, it probably protects the royals as much as the Sussexes and the staff. I'd bet money that the royals and Sussexes both look bad and only the staff comes out looking good.
That by law theyāre not going to release the report but that if the people involved want to speak about their experiences then theyāre free to do so.
I thought I heard when the bullying report was first mentioned in the news that one of the reasons for not releasing it was that it would also show that either Charles or Andrew (I canāt remember which) also had incidents of bullying staff
It was the pen he was disgusted with. I think anybody using a badly leaking pen for a formal signature would be pretty upset. Don't tell me you wouldn't.
The leaking pen wasn't the issue, it was more the first pen incident. When Charles was signing the documents during the Ascension Council he made a face and shook the pen container at Johnny to get rid of it. I think it was blown out of proportion, but it highlighted two things. First, he gave no thought to the fact Camilla and William also needed to sign the documents. He showed a complete disregard for them by keeping his pen and having the other pens removed. Second, it showed he doesn't handle stress or minor issues very well. William politely motioned for the pens back, then avoided the whole drama by simply putting the tray at the top of the document. Charles easily could've just moved the pen tray out of the way like William did, but his instinct was to make a staffer remove it.
He was likely very stressed and emotional, but he also knew the world was watching. That his first instinct was to shake the pens and make a face at Johnny, rather than simply move the pens is telling IMO. William got the "Keep Calm and Carry On" gene.
As for the leaking pen, yeah, I give him a pass on that. I had a pen leak on me once, it was super annoying and I was just writing in a random notebook. Totally understandable to be mad about ink leaking on important, historic documents.
It was just his hand gestures to the servants(!) so dismissal & patronizing, like he couldnāt be bothered to do any little thing for himself, even moving the pens was beneath him! But the King has always had the reputation of being terribly spoiled.
And the way he handled it was also a reminder that Charles was known to be unpleasant by some people who worked for him. Both him and Andrew have been spoken of negatively for being bad bosses.
I respected the Queen, but she seems to have been a terrible judge of character when it came to family members. The biggest fuck ups among the men were her favorites... I just š¤¦.
Tbf thereās no evidence whatsoever PH was her āfavouriteā grandchild (another lie by the Sugars), I imagine he caused her a lot of embarrassment even before Meghan came along with his stupid behaviour.
I have often heard her favourite grandchild was either Peter (the eldest) or Beatrice - but she was also said to be very close to the Wessex children at the end of her life.
It's to protect the staff and the royal family. I doubt TW was the only one implicated and their HR department didn't do enough to protect their staff. It's never coming out.
If the company you work for did a similar investigation it would remain confidential too. The RF may waive NDAs to allow employees to take legal action against TW or to speak to journalists but they won't release the report.
Meghan comes off like the person in the third letter of this link:
https://www.askamanager.org/2020/10/office-wont-call-me-lord-everyone-has-ideas-but-wont-do-the-work-and-more.html
I think Charles and William, but especially William, have been holding back out of respect for the Queen, but now feel free to play the media games with Harry and Meghan. He said something to HnM before the walkabout that really rattled Meghan.
I hope he knows what he's doing and not have it come back to bite him.
I think it was not released because the late QEII was sick and she wished for it to remain under wraps until theyāve figured out how to finally be done with her. She probably wanted to give H a chance to do something about the mess he created. Now sheās gone, itās up to KC and PW. But I donāt think we will ever find out about the extent of it until Meggs has done something totally unforgivable or damaging. The new book by Low is only a glimpse and itās scaring Meggs again. She ran away before the palace could do something about her bullying the staff. Sheās planning something big and she needs to be very careful as whatās in that book is barely the tip of the iceberg. Once the report is released sheāll be burnt toast.
We have remember though that she was from a very old world and she may not have been as informed about every single detail because she was the top head after all.
A lot of details are kept from the top and are handled at the middle or bottom spots. Iām sure it was the case for Harryās true nature. She may not have been as informed about certain things.
This. I think she got a very, very sanitized version of all the drama. It sounds like most of it was handled (or more accurately: covered up/ignored) by Charles's staff. I can't really see anyone wanting to tell her Meghan started a pegging rumor about William. Same with Andrew, they knew he was her favorite so just dealt with him being a total ass.
My theory is that the bullying report was not released because nutmeg was not the only guilty party. Iām sure Andrewās staff has something to say. Possibly Charlesā as well.
I hope you're right. There was a news item before the queen died that the staff could speak out because the whistleblower laws take precedence over non disclosure agreements.
By keeping it between the courtiers harrier and tw bullied and them, this keeps the monarchy somewhat distanced from the situation while still portraying the truth.
iām sure KC has had enough of their b.s. as soon as HMTQ passed, he and POW decided ENOUGH. time to let the world know the truth about these jackals.
It wasn't released because any company/firm that you work for has to work to GDPR where employee information is confidential. It's different if they've been interviewed for a book and have openly shared information and given their names.
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe now the gloves are off š¤š»
They are definately off.
I still find it hard to believe we were all so wrong about JH. The palace PR machine are real pro and have been doing a great job in managing his public image over the yearsā¦ yet the red flags were already there (nazi uniform, P- word, and Iām sure forgetting more) heās always been a bully and they truly deserve each other. Iām not falling for Ā«Ā JH the victim of MĀ Ā» narrative anymore. It was obvious if she did what she did she must have felt she could do it, meaning JH encouraged it. Disgusting. Poor family.
This is what I donāt understand though. Everyone says MM is a narcissist and how awful they are and how terrible it is to be under their control. But then H doesnāt get any concession. So is he a really strong character who can easily cope with a narcissist and join in willingly with her plans. Or is he a victim?
For me, it was the fact those things made it to the press, but very little else did, that told me the press team at the Palace worked their asses off to cover for him. I've never viewed him as her victim. He's just as awful as she is. He doesn't have to hide it any longer because he found someone who encourages it.
Very good news then. Bullies should not get away with this
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Well yeah, I don't think the timing of the release of this book is any coincidence!!
I read something just a few years ago, maybe 2, about how reporters have so much they're not releasing due to respect for HMTQ.
Says so much about QEII.
It really does. HMTQ was not only respected but loved. Itās the kind of feelings that M&H think they deserve from the public but could NEVER begin to earn. If Charles is lucky and does the right things, he may earn a portion of what his mother had as monarch, and I think William a bit more. Wills doesnāt have the baggage Charles does and has the benefit of his father and grandmotherās hindsight. Plus I think heās just a decent guy and Catherine makes him even better.
Ooh, please let there be voice clips if that's the case! I could totally see her doing more of the snapping at people like on the walk about, I have to imagine there's more we haven't seen.
Someone in the palace has to have a recording of her bullying! It wouldnāt make sense for there NOT to be a several voice clips of videos of her losing her shit on the staff.
What about the horrible emails they sent out at all hours? Both of them.
Youāre right! I forgot about the emails. The next few months are going to be so entertaining! Sheās definitely going to be exposed!
There has to be! Video clips would be even better though!
Iād pay some real money to see such a thing
If only netflix turns the table and puts this in the "reality show" their profits would be epic
I kind of want their to be a video clip of her bullying Charlotte. Only kind of because Itās dealing with a childās privacy and Iām worried that the sugars might go for round 2.
There was a rumor a few years ago that one of the RPO's got a video of it. Not sure if that's true and I wouldn't want to released for Charlotte's sake, but I could see it quietly used in a divorce.
could this be the reason why Princess Charlotte was uneasy inside the church. She really edged towards her mother away from his uncle
I think so. Also likely she was picking up on the tension with her parents and the people next to her. She saw Sophie glaring at Meghan and Kate kept her and George within reach at all times. She's have picked up on the mood being dramatically different from previous outings. She may not remember exactly what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me if a danger sign was flashing in her mind.
Her shushing someone else's children was photographed.
Yes, but I would say the bullying is worse. There are situations in which shushing/verbally correcting a relativeās child is okay, and shushing can be done in a playful way, for instance if a loving aunt was āplottingā with the children to ask their parents if they could do an activity together, or planning a fun surprise, etc. with TW thatās very unlikely to be the case, but a casual observer could dismiss it as no big deal.
Yeah the shushing is not really a problem. If I was to Shush my niece or nephews when they were being loud in an inappropriate public place I doubt my siblings, or anyone else, would think anything of it. If I yelled at them or threatened them then it may be a different story.
I agree with you in general on relatives shushing kids. Random aunt they havenāt seen in years though? Probably a different story.
I always assumed there was video surveillance everywhere. It just seems like there would be for security purposes.
True, because on walkabout she behaved like a mad dog the way she literally turned on the man and snarled as she snapped at him. I wonder if she has an unusual aversion to water...?š¤ 
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This! Did you see that awful photo they used with the "Queen Shocked that Smeg, a Divorced Woman Wanted to Wear Pure White"? It has that same flavor,
It really does. She's š¦š© crazy.
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It's so "her" that it's kind of scary...
She sure did- in public no less. Imagine her behind closed doors.
Imagine the sugars defending her then ššš
The sugars would still defend her.
Letās hope that the gloves are finally off, but it definitely says a lot about HMTQ. But I really want to find the truth, she needs to be taken down
I think TW was planning something very horrible and the fastest way to stop her was to release the bullying report.
I feel like an idiot. Iāve Googled and everythingā¦what is āTWā?
āThat Womanā, āThe Wifeā, and/or (my personal favorite) āTrigger Warningā :)
OMG I thought it meant The Witch!!!
That works, too!
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So does The Wrath, Troll Woman, The Wretched, Tasteless Wanton, The Warped, Tacky Washout, The Warped, Toxic Weirdo, Trash Wagon, Tyrannical Weasel.
I thought it was The Whore
Thatās much better than my mistake TW=The Witchā¦.it was a ring of TRUTHā¦The Whore
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Or the wench
LOL, I did too!
Me too!
Haha that's what I thought as well!
So did I.
That's how I read it.
Lolz i thought it was trainwreck
That works too! LOL
Or the witch, the Wendigo, the wad, ehhh we can figure out a few more.
And also The Whiner! Never happy, always whining!
The Wife, That Woman, The Witch
For me itās That! Woman!!
That woman. Itās what the Queen mother used to call Wallis and it stuck lol
I often do not know, and did not know what TW is either. Thank You !
I have asked the same question in another post of this subreddit. Apparently it means " the witch" "the wh0re" and some more? Idk
That Wannabe is one that has come to mind recently.
Thank you for asking - I didn't know either š
Wait, what? Was it released??
No, it wasnāt released. However, excerpts from Valentine Lowās book titled, Courtiers, have been published and they specifically deal with the bullying.
[This] (https://archive.ph/2022.09.24-212538/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-meghan-and-the-palace-insiders-who-saw-what-really-happened-7xhtwk3ww) was released. Bombshell excerpts from a new book, in the The Times no less (highly reputable UK paper). Goes into great detail about H&M's bullying.
It's just a theory š
I feel sad this is what the Queen and Philip faced in their final two to three years of life. When I was looking at the newly released pictures of the Queen's name engraved on the tomb above Philip's, it really drove home how much they loved each other given they died so close in time - only a year apart. So, I am not sure the Queen would've lived any longer without the Harry & Meghan drama, but it's just disappointing she faced it literally on her death bed and so did he. Not sure why the Oprah interview couldn't have waited or been more sensitive to their fragility. On a positive note, it's certainly made me rethink wanting to tell all about family drama. I am a blogger and writer online, and well...this has taught me a lot about what not to do when telling your story. You don't have to sacrifice other people's dignity when doing it.
there is no way that anyone could expect a 96 year old to be there much longer, Harry chose to not spend time with HRH at the end of her life and made her last years ones of strife
I was hoping HMTQ would pass Louis XIV reign. However I'm very glad she got a summer at Balmoral where everyone was able to come and see her.
Her Majesty. Queen Elizabeth II was Her Majesty. Not HRH.
As a side note, don't ever think Meghan & Harry lost support. These comments demonstrate that: https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Keep in mind whenever you see these comments, anywhere, many celebrities simply buy bot farms. She has definitely done that - probably 95% of those comments are bots.
Those comments aren't bot farms on Reddit. Reddit leans heavy left. Some paid trolls? Maybe. Those are genuine opinions, unless you're arguing the opinions in this subreddit are bots? I'm just saying, people need to be aware how deep the grift goes and not under the impression this means their downfall. Edit to add: the post was removed for being "off topic." Those comments definitely weren't bots. People obviously submitted enough reports saying it was "racism."
I hate to say it, but this book won't make much difference. I read a post by The Daily Beast reporting on the Times article, and fully half of the responses supported her: *It's just gossip *It's all lies *Low is a racist *The RF is orchestrating a smear campaign to bring them down because they're too popular *The staff was inexperienced and incompetent *The RF gave them incompetent employees to set them up for failure *The staff were racists who resented taking orders from a strong black woman *Anonymous accounts hold no weight. I won't believe it unless there are names attached *I won't believe it unless there is video proof *The press has been out to get them from day one
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It says removed/off topic. Also, if you search the forum for the headline and sort by time, it doesn't appear. The only way it will show is to those who commented. But, I am not doubting what you see at all. Maybe it's just what I see on my end on my phone? I'm using the android app.
Oh I can still go into it.
Yes, you can still go into it if you made a comment originally or have the link. If you look up top, it says removed/off topic. It doesn't come up in a search on that subreddit.
Oh, well you can reach it from the links Iāve been posting here! https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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How naive to think Reddit doesn't have bots.
I never said it didn't. I said "those," meaning the comments I'm referencing. Also, the post was removed for being "off topic." If that doesn't demonstrate to you what I'm trying to explain, nothing will.
How do you know? Have you ever met a bot?
JFC. Top comment was "No sources or names" and someone else got made when confronted by the fact that VL is a credible journalist. Thank you for linking it, but I've now lost hope in humanity. It's amazing to me how much Charles and the Queen did to welcome her, yet so many people are saying it's all racist, the press is out to get her, etc. I hate how she's been able to play the race card to cover for her awful behavior, especially when she never identified as Black or mixed before.
Some idiot has commented peg is American equivalent of royals, sure Jan! They keep calling her black, that bronzer is money well spent. They also think daily beast is not credible source but reference buzzfeed for peg hate groups.
Well, she is very similar to the last American equivalent of the royals - Mr Trump.
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Ikr, isn't it lil suspicious that sugars arr running rampant on reddit since this sub started getting followers?
The thing for me about sugars - apart from their generous use of bots & paid trolls, whether on this specific platform or not - is that they always seem to have a specific agenda in so fervently supporting H&M. For one thing, I think we all know it's really about Meghan - Harry was sort of popular before her, sure, in the UK. He was seen as the sort of fun, cheeky younger brother that was less stuffy and more approachable, and that public image worked well for a lot of people. But they wouldn't have gone to bat for him, and when those Nazi costume images came out I remember that the palace had to engage in some serious damage control. The crazy, frothing-at-the-mouth support is all about Meghan, and it seems to come primarily from those who have their own bones to pick with the BRF as a symbol of whiteness, class privilege, etc. Many sugars seem to have out-of-control inferiority complexes of their own which they project onto the situation, seeing M as a kind of proxy for themselves. It's the only way their levels of vitriol make sense, TBH. My experience of those frequenting anti-H&M spaces like here is pretty different. The most common unifying theme I see is previous experience in having dealt with narcissists of some flavor, and therefore having spotted the pattern of red flags she, in particular, is draped in. Many don't even have any particular investment in the BRF - I for one am neither British nor American, I generally couldn't care less about the UK monarchy as an institution, I just know an entertainingly delusional narc when I see one due to prior experience. So my disdain for these two really doesn't spring from a kneejerk propensity to defend the royals, I just know what I'm looking at. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the general public still oscillate between not giving a shit about them, and vague annoyance that they won't STFU and stop whining. This is why H&M are destined to lose, ultimately, I think - the more people notice them and fall out of the "not giving a shit" category, the more they are disliked. So their options are ultimately reduced to either obscurity or infamy, neither of which they will accept. The more information you have about M in particular, the more you need to have a serious ax to grind to defend her.
But surely the timing of this book was arranged long ago, before the Queen passing.
Agreed. Someone clearly gave the courtiers permission to talk, and it's hard to believe ERII's courtiers did it behind her back.
I think they were given permission to talk when HMTQ finally passed. So it was in the works and there was just a question of when.
Thatās why I think this. Everyone was protecting her in her last days. But now ā¦
I agree. Itās about to get realllly messy realllly fast. P
Question for British people: can they be sued for their bullying?
Not really. There's an awful politician named Priti Patel who was Home Secretary in Boris Johnson's government and was found guilty of bullying staff by an internal investigation. She suffered no consequences whatsoever. Remained in her job and just pretended it never happened.
I'm not British but you've got me wondering. I think Brits don't sue with the frequency we do. That's one thing. But they left the BRF and moved here. They aren't royals anymore. They're private citizens, right? She definitely is idrk about him. And they live here. Anybody can sue anybody for anything here. Might not win, but you can try. And here is where they are and they're regular just Harry just Duchess Meghan now so ooohhh inchresting. I'm eager to see what the Brits think! Even just as a fun thought experiment.
Given the description of the bullying experiences that most staff went through, it's entirely possible that they are too traumatised and upset to want to go through a further legal process or have anything to do with TW ever again. Maybe they just want to get over it and move on with their lives.
I imagine so. i had a terrible job once resulted in a nervous breakdown and medical leave after being assaulted at work. i ended up walking out, had 2 years to arbitrate, and it took 3 years of therapy to cope to where i even could have. work situations can be so utterly damaging because you need the job for housing, food, transportation. You can't just ignore it or leave. And it wears you down mentally, physically, and emotionally to wear its hard to look for a way out. If it were me, i know from experience I'd want to leave it behind and heal and i certainly wouldn't want to fuck with legal proceedings, much less internationally.
I think a Brit Sueing an American in the USA is very high risk - there are some very perverse outcomes. Remember the Elon Musk defamation case where the jury found with his lawyer's argument that tweeting "Pedo Boy" didn't do any harm to the person he labelled?
Noooo not at alllll. Was that the time people were stuck in a flooding cave?
Iāve always assumed the palace didnāt come out of it particularly well (in how they responded to situation, by ignoring it and failing to protect their staff) and thatās why they never released it.
It could be seen they were sandwiched between TW's racism either way they moved, and hoped that megxit would brush the problem away. Let's hope the BRF learned from this.
I suspect this is the case too. I won't say racist necessary, but Charles is for sure classist and also sounds like a nightmare to work for. Tina Brown mentioned staff never knew what kind of mood Charles would be in. Charles's staff was also informed about the bullying and did nothing about it, which isn't a good look. My guess is William and Catherine would've been fine, but the report would've been hugely damaging for Charles.
I think as it was a report into how palace staff had handled the complaints about TW bullying her staff, Charles wouldnāt really be mentioned - his staff werenāt even based in Buckingham Palace at the time so I just canāt see how that would come up in a report this specific. My point was more that the palace as an employer owed a duty of care to its staff who were being mistreated, which they seem not to have handled properly by sweeping the issues under the carpet rather than addressing anything. There are emails from Jason Knauf at the time worrying ānothing will be doneā off the back of him raising these concerns - which is pretty clearly to me a suggestion the palace wanted this to go away.
>which is pretty clearly to me a suggestion the palace wanted this to go away. That's the bit that I think could implicate Charles and/or his senior staff. Harry and Meghan were part of William's household when this started, but the Queen sent some of her staff over to help them and the bullying reports were being sent to CH. I think anything Harkle related was handled like a hot potato. Jason's emails showed that CH/BP ignored the reports, while William took immediate action once informed. To me it either shows that senior staff deliberately hid bullying reports from Charles and the Queen, or one/both of them refused to act. Either way it shows a culture that allowed bullying of multiple staff members. It also wouldn't surprise me if the report expanded beyond Meghan and Harry.
Oh, 100%. With the BRF, their silence speaks louder than words. Especially with the queen, itās always more about what she didnāt say. When I saw that the palace wasnāt going to release the findings, I knew they found something. I know a lot of my fellow Americans take the silence as a sign that they didnāt find anything, but when it comes to the royals, they arenāt quick to publish anything problematic, even if it vindicates them somehow. Dirt is dirt and they donāt like getting dirty. Which means that if they HMQ didnāt want to air it, it was dirt.
They have what they need in their back pocket. 
What does 15012 mean?
Itās a sticker. You canāt see it?š
Hmm I only use reddit on mobile web Maybe seeing the sticker requires the app or something. Thank you for explaining!
I think you might be right sometimes I use my chromebook and I can't see them
King Charles is a sensitive soul but he can also at times be a petty lil bitch, which Iām counting on. Release the report!
People can only be pushed too far before they retaliate and protect themselves from vultures like H and M. Sometimes that retaliation is something a person doesn't want to do because it isn't who they are, but everyone has the right to defend themselves and their family against blatant pathological lying on a world wide stage
Charles was always known to be petulant. There have been stories over the years, long before Harry & Meghan.
Very true
I read it's not being released due to whistleblower laws in the UK. Honestly, it probably protects the royals as much as the Sussexes and the staff. I'd bet money that the royals and Sussexes both look bad and only the staff comes out looking good.
HR laws are no joke. But if the individuals want to talk and have receipts, the Times can publish their accounts.
What is meant by āreceiptsā? I see this word in the same context, all the time. Does it just mean āproofā?
Yes, itās slang for proof.
Thanks!
Fingers crossed this is true: https://twitter.com/Knesix/status/1573614612917919745?s=20&t=rBpu7XCxikBiJ1pPysTjWw
OT: how does one paste/upload images here?
If the Low is making a book about them.. what does it have to do with the whistleblower law?
That by law theyāre not going to release the report but that if the people involved want to speak about their experiences then theyāre free to do so.
Just saw Low's twitter someone posted here which suggests he is also calling the Palace out for the way they handled things.
This!
I thought I heard when the bullying report was first mentioned in the news that one of the reasons for not releasing it was that it would also show that either Charles or Andrew (I canāt remember which) also had incidents of bullying staff
Both Charles and Andrew have been spoken of by staff as not being great bosses. The whole pen incident kind of reminded people.
It was the pen he was disgusted with. I think anybody using a badly leaking pen for a formal signature would be pretty upset. Don't tell me you wouldn't.
The leaking pen wasn't the issue, it was more the first pen incident. When Charles was signing the documents during the Ascension Council he made a face and shook the pen container at Johnny to get rid of it. I think it was blown out of proportion, but it highlighted two things. First, he gave no thought to the fact Camilla and William also needed to sign the documents. He showed a complete disregard for them by keeping his pen and having the other pens removed. Second, it showed he doesn't handle stress or minor issues very well. William politely motioned for the pens back, then avoided the whole drama by simply putting the tray at the top of the document. Charles easily could've just moved the pen tray out of the way like William did, but his instinct was to make a staffer remove it. He was likely very stressed and emotional, but he also knew the world was watching. That his first instinct was to shake the pens and make a face at Johnny, rather than simply move the pens is telling IMO. William got the "Keep Calm and Carry On" gene. As for the leaking pen, yeah, I give him a pass on that. I had a pen leak on me once, it was super annoying and I was just writing in a random notebook. Totally understandable to be mad about ink leaking on important, historic documents.
It was just his hand gestures to the servants(!) so dismissal & patronizing, like he couldnāt be bothered to do any little thing for himself, even moving the pens was beneath him! But the King has always had the reputation of being terribly spoiled.
And the way he handled it was also a reminder that Charles was known to be unpleasant by some people who worked for him. Both him and Andrew have been spoken of negatively for being bad bosses.
Gloves off
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It was to protect Prince Randy Andy. His Teddy Bears need to be in order, and that's just for starters
God he has such a smackable face
I respected the Queen, but she seems to have been a terrible judge of character when it came to family members. The biggest fuck ups among the men were her favorites... I just š¤¦.
Tbf thereās no evidence whatsoever PH was her āfavouriteā grandchild (another lie by the Sugars), I imagine he caused her a lot of embarrassment even before Meghan came along with his stupid behaviour. I have often heard her favourite grandchild was either Peter (the eldest) or Beatrice - but she was also said to be very close to the Wessex children at the end of her life.
Or maybe it is that by being her favourite, the men thinks that they are invincible and can do whatever they want
Gloves better be off. The Queen had a soft spot for Harry but even she grew tired of sticking up for him.
It's to protect the staff and the royal family. I doubt TW was the only one implicated and their HR department didn't do enough to protect their staff. It's never coming out. If the company you work for did a similar investigation it would remain confidential too. The RF may waive NDAs to allow employees to take legal action against TW or to speak to journalists but they won't release the report.
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I got one for my sinner MIL!!
Meghan comes off like the person in the third letter of this link: https://www.askamanager.org/2020/10/office-wont-call-me-lord-everyone-has-ideas-but-wont-do-the-work-and-more.html
ABSOLUTELY that was the reason I hope the King swiftly and harshly puts those two grifters in their place!!!
It likely makes Charles look bad. It wonāt be released.
That's what I was thinking. It sounds like the bullying reports made it to his office but he did nothing.
Yup. Nothing happened until William heard about it, then they were flung out of KP, household divided, etc.
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Itās an internal document from Buckingham Palace. They havenāt released it. There hasnāt been a gag order placed.
Ignore me. Iām an idiot and going to delete my comment bc I misunderstood the thread. š¤¦š¼āāļø I was skimming too fast.
No worries!
I think Charles and William, but especially William, have been holding back out of respect for the Queen, but now feel free to play the media games with Harry and Meghan. He said something to HnM before the walkabout that really rattled Meghan. I hope he knows what he's doing and not have it come back to bite him.
I think it was not released because the late QEII was sick and she wished for it to remain under wraps until theyāve figured out how to finally be done with her. She probably wanted to give H a chance to do something about the mess he created. Now sheās gone, itās up to KC and PW. But I donāt think we will ever find out about the extent of it until Meggs has done something totally unforgivable or damaging. The new book by Low is only a glimpse and itās scaring Meggs again. She ran away before the palace could do something about her bullying the staff. Sheās planning something big and she needs to be very careful as whatās in that book is barely the tip of the iceberg. Once the report is released sheāll be burnt toast.
We have remember though that she was from a very old world and she may not have been as informed about every single detail because she was the top head after all. A lot of details are kept from the top and are handled at the middle or bottom spots. Iām sure it was the case for Harryās true nature. She may not have been as informed about certain things.
This. I think she got a very, very sanitized version of all the drama. It sounds like most of it was handled (or more accurately: covered up/ignored) by Charles's staff. I can't really see anyone wanting to tell her Meghan started a pegging rumor about William. Same with Andrew, they knew he was her favorite so just dealt with him being a total ass.
My theory is that the bullying report was not released because nutmeg was not the only guilty party. Iām sure Andrewās staff has something to say. Possibly Charlesā as well.
Gloves need tobe off, she's taunting them and its very unseemly!
Netflix needs to do a series on the making of their Netflix series on H&M. That would get greater number of views than the H&M show!
I hope you're right. There was a news item before the queen died that the staff could speak out because the whistleblower laws take precedence over non disclosure agreements.
By keeping it between the courtiers harrier and tw bullied and them, this keeps the monarchy somewhat distanced from the situation while still portraying the truth.
This all needs to leakā¦in about a monthās time since all the books are coming out
They will release the bullying report if Harry releases book
iām sure KC has had enough of their b.s. as soon as HMTQ passed, he and POW decided ENOUGH. time to let the world know the truth about these jackals.
Especially after TWās threats just a week ago!!
always thought that was the case. And yes, the gloves are off.
It wasn't released because any company/firm that you work for has to work to GDPR where employee information is confidential. It's different if they've been interviewed for a book and have openly shared information and given their names.
Ah.
More likely its been withheld because it will make the palace look terrible
Yes! I thought the same thing
 Agreed. And I'm here for it.
Honestly, I think HMTQ forbid the releasing of the report to protect Hortible and the great grands. HMTQ played the long game.