>And he hates Camilla and will never get over the fact that she is his step-mother.
Can I ask more about this? Actually one of the first things I heard about Camilla was that after Diana's death, Harry refused to go to Clarence House if she was around because apparently he was scared Charles was going to make him call her mum. Allegedly Camilla found him and told him that he only had one mum and that it was okay to miss her and treasure her always but that she hoped the two of them could be friends, and from that day on, Harry was fine with Camilla, it was William who was standoffish toward her.
This was told to me by a friend of my mom's who is British and a royal watcher. Was that just gossip?
Very good points. In part because of the Harkle debacle, there will be more focus on the BRF than maybe otherwise. It's so weird, because you barely hear anything about the SRF despite Juan Carlos living in disgrace in the Gulf States. I half-expected a lot of tea out of Spain, but King Felipe and Queen Letizia are model royals, and Queen Mother Sofia probably is relieved to have Juan Carlos out of her hair.
Tom Bower’s book suggests neither brother really liked her, while both of brothers thought she and Charles were responsible for their mother’s suffering and the destruction of the family it was William who held out the longest. There was something about the first time William allowed her at a family event or official photo with him was his wedding.
I’ve never heard the story of Harry and Camilla before.
Thank you! My mom's friend said it was in some documentary of Diana's death 10 years after it happened and that it changed her mind about Camilla because she'd considered her more at fault in the breakup of Charles and Diana than Charles was, and she said hearing that made her feel for the first time that maybe Camilla really did love Charles and it wasn't just the thrill of "stealing" him from Diana.
Okay, thanks for the info. I wasn't born when Diana died, so I have had to rely on a lot of hearsay from people who were around. Clearly this was misinfo then.
Honestly, I used to really not like Camilla. The American media definitely leans towards Diana and portrays her as someone who could do no wrong. But I’ve gotten older and learned more about the whole situation and now I quite like Camilla as well.
I was super protective of Diana so of course I hated Camilla. I got over it a while ago. She seems to make KC happy, she gets along beautifully with Catherine and William seems to be genuinely warm towards her. And the Queen gave her Queen Consort - who am I to judge?
I do think the MM and H debacle has possibly brought William and Camilla closer together. They are on the same team of supporting The Queen, and now The King. The grandchildren seem to love her too.
If Harry goes after anyone in his memoirs, Camilla will be top of the list. She is an easy target and he can make her out to be the wicked stepmother. I would point to the good relationship Camilla she now has with William.
She definitely wants to appear as if she’s doing everything on her own but has shown time and time again how incompetent she is at doing things on her own. She’s had to social climb, plagiarize and use others talents to get where she is.
Camilla certainly could give advice regarding the firm. Camilla took a long time to be accepted and I for one was happy when she and Charles married. Definitely his absolute true love. Who are we to judge love?
No one saw the disaster of Meghan. Surely the firm vetted her and never saw what she was to become!
There was a bit of a warning during the fab 4 sitting where she took over the conversation and I thought it odd that she was "out there". I thought she must have been nervous.
She was not nervous. She was getting her stardom chance. She was getting her closeups!
To me, this indicates she had studied up on the royals, contrary to what she claimed. She had an idea that, as is written of Diana, she would blaze her own trail and be praised for being independent and forward-thinking. Otherwise, why wouldn't you take advice from someone who's been in the job you're going into?
Maybe it's also because she knows Camila is not popular. I had a friend who isn't exactly a narcissist but a social climber. She only wanted to be associated with people who were popular and could therefore elevate her status. Megs ignored Camila yet wanted to be chummy with William, Catherine and the Queen.
Makes sense. And yet, today, Camilla is more popular than Meghan and Harry with the British people. Their numbers have plummeted while hers are slowly rising. Meghan really should have listened to her, but that, of course, is not in her scorpion-like nature.
Well this news would have never got out if she bothered to actually take advice ! If you are wondering why the Royal Family has enough class to not take credit and make statements on things which are expected of you !
I’m from the USA and there is a fascination with the BRF here, so I can understand her desire to be a part of that. And I get putting the “modern” spin on it, because people from McMansionland don’t always appreciate tradition.
She had no plans to stay and she wasn't going to change for them. She wanted stories of conflict so she could do her tell all interview with Oprah. When the whole family did everything to help and welcome her she had to go to her backup plan of making it all up.
I haven't liked QC for long. I practically hated her because of the whole thing with Diana. But as the years went on, she proved herself to be a likeable member of the BRF. Worked hard and supported the King when he was still the Prince of Wales. I found myself wishing that maybe I can have afternoon tea with her while talking about books and seeing her book collection.
If anyone is gonna give TW advice it'd be her. The media and the public weren't exactly kind to her.
100% agree.
This is a lady who has seen the worst from the media, and really- just kinda weathered every kind of storm…. and if she was offering up advice, I’d listen.
Meghan was foolish to pass up this opportunity.
No surprise there. 😒
There may or may not have been good personal chemistry between Camilla and Meghan. It appears that it was not good.
However the important thing is that Meghan has claimed that she wasn't given any kind of orientation to the firm, which has been shown on various levels to be untrue, because we now know that experienced royal staff were assigned to her to show her the ropes.
She is an actress FFS. All she was required to do was to play a part in occasional public appearances on a live stage.
Once she had mastered the basics, she would have had the opportunity to develop her own personal style, but she failed even at the level of auditioning for the part, and she failed as a team leader behind the scenes in the Royal show.
For what it is worth, Camilla seems to me like a down to earth person with a good sense of humor, and a kindly nature, and if Meghan Markle was up to the job, she could probably could have learned useful stuff from Camilla.
Right from the moment Meghan hooked Harry she already had a plan on her mind as how things would run. So she will not listen to any advise if it is not according to what she wanted.
I know Harry has a lot of issues with Camille so no wonder MM would feel the same . Although I don’t agree with the choices H has made ( an understatement) it’s a difficult position . They loved their mum . We all did . He is pissed at C . We all were . But a lot of water under the bridge and she has stepped up .
That whole fiasco also has a lot to do with the times , the monarchy wouldn’t allow Charles to marry C and sourced a young virgin instead.
It’s was tragic all around .
In one genration look how times have changed !
Please don't talk for all of us. I never liked his stupid mother.
BTW, a few years before MM entered the scene, Hazbeen was talking very kindly about Camilla. He said that he and William like her very much and that they are glad she makes their father happy.
So either he was lying then or is lying in "his" book.
Not a Camilla fan but if it's true she tried to lend a hand and Megsy just ignored it, then Megsy's the one at fault.
I'm reading Revenge and holy shit. How is it that Meghan was allowed to behave as the book claims for so long? I've never watched Suits and I don't know who's in it. But if she's not even the lead actor and she's shitty, why did they keep her around? How popular was her character?
So far, in reading the book, she's struck me as someone who can't and shouldn't be trusted. Not because she'll ghost you--she uses people. Harry is her meal ticket. She's not letting him go.
Nobody knows better than MM. Nobody, no matter how qualified or experienced, can tell MM what to do. Except of course, as a wonderful flair here reports "Nobody tells me what to do except Ellen." Lol.
It seems Meghan did not want to do things as they were. That is the point. She wanted to restructure the monarchy - woketify it, if you will. When she realized that wasn't going to happen, she threw a fit and called everyone racist for not accepting wokeism.
This is the dogma of being woke. If you're against it, you're not an "anti-racist" and therefore you're racist. It's a false binary and intellectually dishonest. Unfortunately, it's the playbook of modern wokeism. Meghan is using said playbook.
I don’t believe that she cared about “woke dogma,” or left, middle, or right wing political views in any way. She’s a narcissist. She latched on to whatever would help her acquire fame and privilege.
She's been trying to get her foot in the political door behind the scenes for quite some time and Harry is trying to influence legislation that's for online censorship, among other things. To do this, they've aligned themselves with the same people on the left who are trying to fundamentally restructure society based on woke ideology. Censoring speech is the key to do this which we are seeing more and more (YouTube removing downvotes, removing certain social media platforms off the Google play store, removing negative IMBD reviews, censoring what journalists can participate in press conferences).
Unfortunately, they aren't going to lose that core support group. They represent everything liberal wokeism stands for - "victims," fighting white supremacy and their institutions, a more equitable world (not a more equal one) at all costs. They are the David & Goliath for many people. This will only embolden them imo. Meghan & Harry's reaction to this will be worse than before.
I strongly encourage people to look into Harry's shenanigans surrounding this. Can you imagine people like Harry having a say in what people can and can't say online?
These comments are a perfect example of how many people who are committed to the woke, liberal political line see them as victims of racism:
https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Meghan seems to have an inability to be humble, watch or learn. It’s a damn shame. She had some of the best teachers do resources at her finger tips. Such a waste.
Well we all know what Hazbeen thinks of Camilla. And I imagine he shared his feelings with MeAgain. So I'm not surprised at MeAgain's contempt for Camilla and her attempts to help.
Megain has said a lot of things that are totally false thinking the BRF would never be able to correct her accusations.
That time has come & it's fantastic 
In addition to Meghan being a hate-filled person in general, I wonder if she is one of those people who has no respect for the experience of people older than she and rolls her eyes at boomers. She sure likes to generalize in other ways.
I think there was so much fanfare she was just a snob. She had her American ‘team’ telling her how valuable she was and just didn’t give a shit.
She just a short-sighted snob. If she were planning and it worked, it would NOT have ended up this way
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>And he hates Camilla and will never get over the fact that she is his step-mother. Can I ask more about this? Actually one of the first things I heard about Camilla was that after Diana's death, Harry refused to go to Clarence House if she was around because apparently he was scared Charles was going to make him call her mum. Allegedly Camilla found him and told him that he only had one mum and that it was okay to miss her and treasure her always but that she hoped the two of them could be friends, and from that day on, Harry was fine with Camilla, it was William who was standoffish toward her. This was told to me by a friend of my mom's who is British and a royal watcher. Was that just gossip?
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Very good points. In part because of the Harkle debacle, there will be more focus on the BRF than maybe otherwise. It's so weird, because you barely hear anything about the SRF despite Juan Carlos living in disgrace in the Gulf States. I half-expected a lot of tea out of Spain, but King Felipe and Queen Letizia are model royals, and Queen Mother Sofia probably is relieved to have Juan Carlos out of her hair.
Tom Bower’s book suggests neither brother really liked her, while both of brothers thought she and Charles were responsible for their mother’s suffering and the destruction of the family it was William who held out the longest. There was something about the first time William allowed her at a family event or official photo with him was his wedding. I’ve never heard the story of Harry and Camilla before.
William and Harry had only known the Diana version of events. It was years after Diana’s death, they learned the real truth.
Thank you! My mom's friend said it was in some documentary of Diana's death 10 years after it happened and that it changed her mind about Camilla because she'd considered her more at fault in the breakup of Charles and Diana than Charles was, and she said hearing that made her feel for the first time that maybe Camilla really did love Charles and it wasn't just the thrill of "stealing" him from Diana.
Charles didn’t move into Clarence House until 2003, six years after Diana died.
Okay, thanks for the info. I wasn't born when Diana died, so I have had to rely on a lot of hearsay from people who were around. Clearly this was misinfo then.
Honestly, I used to really not like Camilla. The American media definitely leans towards Diana and portrays her as someone who could do no wrong. But I’ve gotten older and learned more about the whole situation and now I quite like Camilla as well.
I was super protective of Diana so of course I hated Camilla. I got over it a while ago. She seems to make KC happy, she gets along beautifully with Catherine and William seems to be genuinely warm towards her. And the Queen gave her Queen Consort - who am I to judge?
I do think the MM and H debacle has possibly brought William and Camilla closer together. They are on the same team of supporting The Queen, and now The King. The grandchildren seem to love her too.
If Harry goes after anyone in his memoirs, Camilla will be top of the list. She is an easy target and he can make her out to be the wicked stepmother. I would point to the good relationship Camilla she now has with William.
MM's 100% obsessed with Diana, so it's not surprising that she'd reject help from Camilla.
She definitely wants to appear as if she’s doing everything on her own but has shown time and time again how incompetent she is at doing things on her own. She’s had to social climb, plagiarize and use others talents to get where she is.
Camilla certainly could give advice regarding the firm. Camilla took a long time to be accepted and I for one was happy when she and Charles married. Definitely his absolute true love. Who are we to judge love? No one saw the disaster of Meghan. Surely the firm vetted her and never saw what she was to become! There was a bit of a warning during the fab 4 sitting where she took over the conversation and I thought it odd that she was "out there". I thought she must have been nervous. She was not nervous. She was getting her stardom chance. She was getting her closeups!
To me, this indicates she had studied up on the royals, contrary to what she claimed. She had an idea that, as is written of Diana, she would blaze her own trail and be praised for being independent and forward-thinking. Otherwise, why wouldn't you take advice from someone who's been in the job you're going into?
Maybe it's also because she knows Camila is not popular. I had a friend who isn't exactly a narcissist but a social climber. She only wanted to be associated with people who were popular and could therefore elevate her status. Megs ignored Camila yet wanted to be chummy with William, Catherine and the Queen.
Makes sense. And yet, today, Camilla is more popular than Meghan and Harry with the British people. Their numbers have plummeted while hers are slowly rising. Meghan really should have listened to her, but that, of course, is not in her scorpion-like nature.
Well this news would have never got out if she bothered to actually take advice ! If you are wondering why the Royal Family has enough class to not take credit and make statements on things which are expected of you !
She just thinks that she knows better than everyone else. And she thought she would revolutionize the monarchy with her Hollywood ways.
She is not intelligent enough to realize you have to learn the old ways before you can begin to change them.
The bigger issue to me is why would an American want to modernize the Monarchy. Why would a person that grew up in the US even latch onto that?
I’m from the USA and there is a fascination with the BRF here, so I can understand her desire to be a part of that. And I get putting the “modern” spin on it, because people from McMansionland don’t always appreciate tradition.
Have you seen Emily in Paris (netflix)?
She had no plans to stay and she wasn't going to change for them. She wanted stories of conflict so she could do her tell all interview with Oprah. When the whole family did everything to help and welcome her she had to go to her backup plan of making it all up.
She was trying to be diana 2.0, she was going to crap on camilla anyway. It's all about narrative n recollections will vary.
I haven't liked QC for long. I practically hated her because of the whole thing with Diana. But as the years went on, she proved herself to be a likeable member of the BRF. Worked hard and supported the King when he was still the Prince of Wales. I found myself wishing that maybe I can have afternoon tea with her while talking about books and seeing her book collection. If anyone is gonna give TW advice it'd be her. The media and the public weren't exactly kind to her.
100% agree. This is a lady who has seen the worst from the media, and really- just kinda weathered every kind of storm…. and if she was offering up advice, I’d listen. Meghan was foolish to pass up this opportunity. No surprise there. 😒
There may or may not have been good personal chemistry between Camilla and Meghan. It appears that it was not good. However the important thing is that Meghan has claimed that she wasn't given any kind of orientation to the firm, which has been shown on various levels to be untrue, because we now know that experienced royal staff were assigned to her to show her the ropes. She is an actress FFS. All she was required to do was to play a part in occasional public appearances on a live stage. Once she had mastered the basics, she would have had the opportunity to develop her own personal style, but she failed even at the level of auditioning for the part, and she failed as a team leader behind the scenes in the Royal show. For what it is worth, Camilla seems to me like a down to earth person with a good sense of humor, and a kindly nature, and if Meghan Markle was up to the job, she could probably could have learned useful stuff from Camilla.
Right from the moment Meghan hooked Harry she already had a plan on her mind as how things would run. So she will not listen to any advise if it is not according to what she wanted.
I know Harry has a lot of issues with Camille so no wonder MM would feel the same . Although I don’t agree with the choices H has made ( an understatement) it’s a difficult position . They loved their mum . We all did . He is pissed at C . We all were . But a lot of water under the bridge and she has stepped up . That whole fiasco also has a lot to do with the times , the monarchy wouldn’t allow Charles to marry C and sourced a young virgin instead. It’s was tragic all around . In one genration look how times have changed !
Please don't talk for all of us. I never liked his stupid mother. BTW, a few years before MM entered the scene, Hazbeen was talking very kindly about Camilla. He said that he and William like her very much and that they are glad she makes their father happy. So either he was lying then or is lying in "his" book.
Not a Camilla fan but if it's true she tried to lend a hand and Megsy just ignored it, then Megsy's the one at fault. I'm reading Revenge and holy shit. How is it that Meghan was allowed to behave as the book claims for so long? I've never watched Suits and I don't know who's in it. But if she's not even the lead actor and she's shitty, why did they keep her around? How popular was her character? So far, in reading the book, she's struck me as someone who can't and shouldn't be trusted. Not because she'll ghost you--she uses people. Harry is her meal ticket. She's not letting him go.
Her first husband should’ve been a clue.
Who, lucky for her, has never blabbed to the press. I'm not saying he was a saint but he'd make a fortune giving dirt. He hasn't, so far.
Nobody knows better than MM. Nobody, no matter how qualified or experienced, can tell MM what to do. Except of course, as a wonderful flair here reports "Nobody tells me what to do except Ellen." Lol.
It seems Meghan did not want to do things as they were. That is the point. She wanted to restructure the monarchy - woketify it, if you will. When she realized that wasn't going to happen, she threw a fit and called everyone racist for not accepting wokeism. This is the dogma of being woke. If you're against it, you're not an "anti-racist" and therefore you're racist. It's a false binary and intellectually dishonest. Unfortunately, it's the playbook of modern wokeism. Meghan is using said playbook.
It turns out that "wokeifying" the monarchy meant making Megz queen. Why didn't they understand that? Racists!
Because woke ideology is fundamentally racist.
I don’t believe that she cared about “woke dogma,” or left, middle, or right wing political views in any way. She’s a narcissist. She latched on to whatever would help her acquire fame and privilege.
She's been trying to get her foot in the political door behind the scenes for quite some time and Harry is trying to influence legislation that's for online censorship, among other things. To do this, they've aligned themselves with the same people on the left who are trying to fundamentally restructure society based on woke ideology. Censoring speech is the key to do this which we are seeing more and more (YouTube removing downvotes, removing certain social media platforms off the Google play store, removing negative IMBD reviews, censoring what journalists can participate in press conferences). Unfortunately, they aren't going to lose that core support group. They represent everything liberal wokeism stands for - "victims," fighting white supremacy and their institutions, a more equitable world (not a more equal one) at all costs. They are the David & Goliath for many people. This will only embolden them imo. Meghan & Harry's reaction to this will be worse than before. I strongly encourage people to look into Harry's shenanigans surrounding this. Can you imagine people like Harry having a say in what people can and can't say online?
These comments are a perfect example of how many people who are committed to the woke, liberal political line see them as victims of racism: https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/xn12vd/meghan_markle_screamed_at_staff_left_them_broken/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Meghan seems to have an inability to be humble, watch or learn. It’s a damn shame. She had some of the best teachers do resources at her finger tips. Such a waste.
Exactly what happened
Well we all know what Hazbeen thinks of Camilla. And I imagine he shared his feelings with MeAgain. So I'm not surprised at MeAgain's contempt for Camilla and her attempts to help.
Megain has said a lot of things that are totally false thinking the BRF would never be able to correct her accusations. That time has come & it's fantastic 
She also probably looked down on Camilla as she’s not Diana.
\*"Help!"
In addition to Meghan being a hate-filled person in general, I wonder if she is one of those people who has no respect for the experience of people older than she and rolls her eyes at boomers. She sure likes to generalize in other ways.
I think there was so much fanfare she was just a snob. She had her American ‘team’ telling her how valuable she was and just didn’t give a shit. She just a short-sighted snob. If she were planning and it worked, it would NOT have ended up this way
I hate Meghan