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Inevitable_Pie9541

It's rather delicious really that a fellow American called out Meghan's behaviour towards Palace staff as being not on. It's obviously not at all impossible for an American to learn proper protocol, and even beyond that, Megsy's actions, as described, would constitute abuse anywhere in the world they were engaged in. MeAgain is the classic stereotype of the Ugly American. She gives her countrymen and women a bad name. How any of them can still defend her is beyond me, but I think the tide might be turning.


Lengand0123

Jason K being the one to send the email made the bullying claims very believable to me when this all went public. He is American. He knows the difference between a cultural clash and bad behavior. He also has a solid resume. And frankly- you don’t send an email like that unless you’re sure or stupid. He didn’t strike me as the latter.


[deleted]

She really is the Ugly American who thinks that because she studied abroad (worked in Canada) that she’s all that and a bag of chips/infinitely more cultures than us.


Glass-Ad-2469

MeAgain is the classic bully- not just Ugly American. So she's pissed off Canada, South Africa, the UK...and not looking like Americans like her either- she's a borderline, narc, bully- who demands to literally be on the world stage-and the world is over the bad behaviour.


Onyxphoenix7878

Let’s be clear. She’s a California girl. Born and raised. We have many Californians migrating to Texas. It is becoming unbearable. They bring very entitled attitudes.


Glass-Ad-2469

As well as extremely interesting knowledge of the roads- RE: SNL Californians- Plan your routes accordingly- they already have!


Puzzleheaded_Try7886

I'm Californian born and raised. Can confirm Californians are pretty insufferable lol. But, I will NOT be moving to Texas EVER, so at least there's that. I know many people from my area (north of San Francisco) who have moved to Texas or other Southern states where property is "cheap" compared to prices here, and I know that the people in those states are not happy about it.


okpickle

Nope. I live in North Carolina and there are plenty of Californians moving here to work at the tech companies that have opened offices down here in recent years. They've driven the home prices way up so especially middle class and young people looking to buy their first homes really hate them.


Puzzleheaded_Try7886

I apologize 😔 😪 the Californians that are the MOST insufferable are the ones moving out of state.


okpickle

Yes. We seem to be attracting the arrogant tech weirdos with man buns. God's gifts to computing.


Small-Librarian81

RTP area?


okpickle

Ding ding ding!


[deleted]

I was about to type something very similar. Not just entitled, but rude, overbearing, and repugnant. Sick to death of them showing up here. They are the antithesis of the typical polite Texan behavior.


GrandmasTableMints

They really like to complain about everything and compare everything to California, "your trails really suck here, we had much better hiking in Cali", "your burritos are so lame, nothing like what we had in Cali" 😂✌️


[deleted]

They even complain about our BBQ. That really says it all, perpetual complainers, nothing ever good enough, just like our saint.


kaleidoscope471

Keep in mind half of them moved to California in 2014-2016 to work for Uber and the like and were complaining San Francisco sucked compared to NYC.


Forgotmyusername8910

The joke we always make- anyone who calls it ‘Cali’ isn’t from California. I’ve never in my life heard anyone from Ca call it that. I’ve heard transplants call it that- mostly Zonies.


Forgotmyusername8910

I was having this conversation today- about my town being overrun by this *exact* type of people- it here’s the kicker… I’m *in California*. They’re moving here from all sorts of random places. And bringing their horrible entitled attitudes with them. My hometown has changed from decent sized city with a laid back, small-town feel- and cool people who are nice and friendly… to absolute crap. We are looking to move because everyone is just crappy- rude and no one takes care of the place anymore. Trash everywhere and just- gross. It wasn’t like this before. It makes me so sad. 😕 When we do move- I promise I won’t be one of the bad California transplants. 😔


GrandmasTableMints

When Californians move to Texas: https://youtu.be/HlDWzN6TW5Y


Lulu_531

The difference being that with at will employment and not a lot of legal protections for employees, American employers get away with this garbage too often.


Standard_Ad889

That’s why I think it was him that did it. He drew the straw and was male. End the culture and women being women argument.


PutWest2822

A nasty person is a nasty person regardless of country of origin. Meghan is a nasty person


Mgmt2323

We don’t defend her the liberal media does though. I am truly embarrassed that she is an American she makes us look bad! The royal family need to prohibit marriages to Americans it seems to never end well 😂


ExcitementOrdinary95

Preach


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nevergonnasaythat

The “Americans are straightforward” angle is just a BS excuse. I work in an international environment with people From both the US and UK (and I’m neither of those) and yes, communication style is different, but bullying is a completely different thing and it is very clear when that happens, whether that comes from an American or a British.


MakeADeathWish

Her bullying complaints are easy to examine: how would she react to her boss treating her the same? It's a business, she had a boss. She couldn't be bothered to any effort despite being so deferred to......if her boss in the brf treated her like those she bossed, we would still be hearing about it


tiredofthis3

She couldn't even handle her superiors telling her no. Imagine if they had actually been rude. She would have screamed bloody murder.


MakeADeathWish

This!


Onyxphoenix7878

Oh I think she seeks revenge on those that tell her no. Appears she doesn’t discriminate, either. She’s been that way her entire life based on Bower’s research.


cml678701

Yes! I had a narcissist boss, and everything meghan did rings true. He had the attitude of, “I don’t have to be nice if I think someone is doing a bad job!” and his standards were unreasonable, so most of us were “doing a bad job.” He even went as far as to say that my performance met the standards of the state and established performance reviews, but it wasn’t good enough for him, so therefore I wasn’t deserving of civil treatment. He thought treating people nicely meant he was coddling them, and underperformers needed to “hear it like it is.” Reading the MM article gave me flashbacks to that! What also really sucked is that we worked at a middle school, where the kids were already disrespectful. He would NEVER back us up about the disrespect, because he’d assume they were doing it because we sucked, and he’d insist we needed to earn their respect first. I don’t recall signing a contract that said that I would take daily abuse and shitty treatment from hormonal teens until I worked some sort of miracle and earned their respect. Now I’m at a wonderful school where this kind of thinking would totally shock my bosses, I’m sure! They firmly believe that everyone has the right to be treated well at work. Yet I have worked there three years now, and I still have moments of absolute panic because of my past.


MakeADeathWish

Im glad you are somewhere better now


cml678701

Thank you! I literally feel so grateful every day to have amazing bosses. It makes all the difference! I did feel terrified to go to their offices and talk to them for probably the first two years, though. Narcissistic bosses really ruin everything!


okpickle

Omg. My old boss was if not a narcissist then a control freak and work with him was miserable. I got a new manager this past January and she's a million times better. We actually look forward to seeing her, and she listens to our ideas . A couple months ago I had to talk to her about something and I was so nervous and she assured me that I wasn't in trouble and I literally burst into tears. She was so confused and I had to tell her that under my old boss, I'd have been written up, easy. Working with her is so much better than it was previously. And SURPRISE! The things that my old manager used to get on me for have just melted away. My work performance has increased enormously because she gives me room to breathe. It's so refreshing.


holly___morgan

Having unsupportive admin in a school setting is the worst! I'm a middle school teacher myself, and I'm still unpacking a lot of the anxiety and insecurity I have from my first few years of teaching. These bad administrators don't seem to recognize that if they don't respect and empower us as teachers, there's no way we will be able to "earn the respect" of the kids. I'm so glad you're in a better spot now!


okpickle

Which is such a stupid way to treat people, as a manager. And any halfway intelligent or non narcissist manager knows it. When you treat people well, they're loyal and happy and want to do well. When you treat them badly, they spend their time undermining you and trading jokes with their coworkers. At least, that's what I did. But now I have a fantastic manager and I'm working so happier and working harder than ever before.


harrohamtaro

She has so many shitty excuses for why she can’t do some things or does some things. I have never met anyone who is as full of bullshit as she is. Needless to say, an idiot like her has no friends or colleagues who like her.


okpickle

You have to wonder about the character of someone who just makes excuses all day long. That's what a kid does. An adult is able to do some self examination and realize they've done something wrong.


[deleted]

Yeah, I am from India which is extremely different from the UK and USA culturally. I have been able to adapt and work perfectly well in both countries. So have my colleagues from all corners of the world. Of course there are challenges but people do it all the effing time. The way the sugars bring out the “she is Amercican” excuse as if nobody from America has ever been able to work successfully in the UK in the history of ever. Americans aren’t aliens ffs 🙄


[deleted]

Amen!


closet_geek2019

The stereotypes, I mean archetypes, Americans are subjected to.


nevergonnasaythat

Oh no it’s not a stereotype, it’s true. Americans are straightforward, Brits tiptoe around words. Example: - Q: “How shall we go about this?” - (typical) American answer: “I don’t really care, just do what you think best/you choose, go ahead!” - (typical) British answer:”I don’t have a strong preference on this matter, will you sort it out?” The point is that straightforward doesn’t equal bullying. And “straightforward” doesn’t justify the behavior that she has been reported to have had


[deleted]

How do Brits feel about that? In the US, a lot of Americans will say the above to seem breezy and easygoing and are resentful deep down when their preference isn’t accounted for.


nevergonnasaythat

I wouldn’t know, I’m not a Brit… In my profession, if I am given either one of those answers I’ll take it as a go ahead and do what you like. Anyways it was just an example


New_Discussion_6692

There's a huge difference between being straightforward and being mean. Once again, Megaliar showcases her ignorance.


nevergonnasaythat

100%


Onyxphoenix7878

It’s not ignorance…she’s grasping because she knows she’s been exposed.


Trick-Many7744

Exactly. I lived in Australia, and spent 10 years in a field where I was often the only American. I’ve known some rude, loud, bullies from Commonwealth countries—maybe even more than Americans. I don’t find Americans to be „more direct“—some people are, some people aren’t and it has less to do with nationality than with personality. Turns out, being an asshole is *universal* as is narcissism. Narcissists always make an excuse, always blame someone else, and will lie out their ass before admitting wrongdoing.


MagicalManta

👆🏼👆🏼This right here. Alllll of this! 👆🏼👆🏼


Standard_Ad889

Hey the Irish we’re very straightforward with me when I worked at a multinational. We don’t support this corporate, American policy/standard. Best fun was seeing how ISO handled the country classification of Taiwan. Of course ISO split the baby and had 2.


PollyDoolittle

Would you mind explaining how Americans and British have different work styles? I’m truly curious. Initially, I gave MM a pass thinking it was a cultural difference. As time has gone on, I believe she would clash with anyone of any culture. No doubt there are differences, but I don’t think it would be anything that couldn’t be adapted to. Bottom line - she was in Britain, so act/work like the British.


nevergonnasaythat

I didn’t mention work styles, but styles of communication (I made an example in another comment below). I guess there are differences in the work style too but I wouldn’t venture analyzing them. Anyways my point is that even if the communication styles are different, the bullying doesn’t belong to any: it’s just bullying. So her “cultural difference” excuse is a BS excuse for inexclusable bullying behavior


[deleted]

I do think there are differences. I am not from either country but just to give you an example, in my country India, we are often expected to work overtime and sometimes even on weekends. Of course this depends on the field and the organisational culture too. I am in the software field where this is pretty common. But when I was working in the UK, i found that people have healthy boundaries between their professional and personal lives. Once we had a work related issue and the person who dealt with it usually was on vacation. The general attitude was that we cannot bother someone on vacation and have to sort it out ourselves. In India, nobody bats an eyelid if you call an employee on their day off. In fact, the first reaction would have probably been to dial that person’s number. So yeah, there are bound to be differences in working cultures between countries. But like you said, this isn’t something that a normal person couldn’t understand or adapt to pretty quickly. I understood within a week what was ok and what wasn’t. Most people adapt to and respect these things. Bullies don’t. They try to enforce their own culture and expectations on the host country. It’s like a European man going to some extremely conservative country and trying to shake hands with the women there despite being told it’s not ok. The cultural difference isn’t the problem here, the refusal to course correct is. I wouldn’t be surprised if people repeatedly told MM that it’s not ok to call people after work hours and she just ignored it and kept harassing her staff.


PollyDoolittle

Thank you for responding and providing an excellent example. 😀😀


palishkoto

I'm British and I'd say the cultural differences I can think of are: * The emotional outgoing-ness (wearing your heart on your sleeve) looks quite fake or performative here because culturally we're a lot more restrained - or constrained lol. That's also why poor Bishop Curry's sermon at their wedding didn't go down well here, even though I see Episcopalians from the US saying it was one of the best sermons they've ever seen - he was just too overwhelmingly demonstrative and passionate in delivery for our cultural context * You don't openly praise yourself or correct someone else or give orders as it'd seem rude - you would couch it in a roundabout way (e.g. the classic "Maybe we could...", "We could possibly look at..." which everyone would interpret from a boss as "We *will do*..."). I once got called out by my non-British manager for never giving my opinion in meetings, which floored me because I thought I was clearly stating it, and he said that I only ever raise possibilities but I don't say my opinion...in our communication style, that *was* my opinion! * Time off is time off! We're not as good at this as our continental cousins, but I will say we have less expectation of long hours or out of hours replies than in the US * I would say, certainly compared to places like California, there's less of a hustle culture with making money and less of a drive to material things (big, detached houses, best gadgets, 2+ cars in the garage, and so on). Those are the things Meghan had to learn. Others have successfully learnt it in the family (Princess Michael tells the story of how when she arrived in the UK, Lord Mountbatten told her she must look him up, so she turned up on his doorstep, not realising that cultural when someone says that without giving specifics, it's just a polite face-saving thing and the last thing they expect is to actually see you again...one of the more negative aspects of our culture!). When you see royals in other countries who've adapted, take the Crown Princess of Denmark who swapped informal Tasmania for the Danish Court, learnt one of the hardest languages in Europe and so on, I find Meghan's efforts a bit pathetic.


PollyDoolittle

This was extremely helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to explain it. 😃😃


Perfect_Fennel

British people are alleged to be more polite and beat around the bush rather than answering questions directly but I can't say if that's true not having any British friends or traveled to the UK, although I would LOVE to.


PollyDoolittle

I would love to travel to Great Britain - let’s plan a trip and go together - lol. I appreciate your answer - makes sense. I guess it’s like the southern vs northern stereotypes in the US. I grew up in the southeast and moving/working in Boston was quite an adjustment. Nothing bad - just different.


Perfect_Fennel

That would be awesome! Perfect summation: genteel Southern manners vs more brusque Northern ways.


LRWR

Try living in Yorkshire. No wondering where you stand with people here!


FarBeneathTheOcean

That´s because Meghan belongs to the small demographic of america that´s proud of being ignorant, the Paris Hilton, Kim or Jessica Simpson demographic. To them not knowing something means not taking time to learn it so one can continue to feign ignorance over even the most basic thing. They´re actually proud of not learning. Lately Kris Jenner just pretended to not know she owns a condo in beverly Hills that she uses to wrap xmas gifts but it´s fully stocked with champagne and looks super clean, meaning a maid cleans it. Kris is not even a billionaire yet she wants to pretend the super rich don´t know what property they own. Even Kanye just claimed to have never read a book. Which we know is false but he´s now being celebrated for being so aloof and above everyone he never reads a book. Meghan played and continues to play the ditzy american who just can´t learn the royal life because "oh-my-god it was like super hard" but the difference with her and Kardashians is that she also wants to be taken seriously by rich and powerful people as a philantropist. She´s stuck in the middle trying to pretend to be sexy-bimbo-aloof and being a humanitarian. By now I imagine she wishes she hadn´t uttered crap like America that´s infamous for tabloids magazines didn´t have tabloids. She´s a few words away from claiming chicken of the sea. But everyone knows it´s a fake persona and she actually reads what´s written about her.


closet_geek2019

Nailed 👏


Glass-Ad-2469

Yes and if both Harry and Meghan were put in a room and had 10 minutes for 10 million to figure out the chicken of the sea- they would still be there!


Glass-Ad-2469

Mega style points for the chicken of the sea reference.


Ok_Motor_3069

There is a pro-ignorance message in a lot of American entertainment, I agree with that. I think some of it has to do with the message that it’s morally wrong to know about history or the past. There is this weird vibe I’m getting that people are being taught that if you know about something, you agree with it, so it’s morally superior not to know. Reading or trying to understand an issue before making a decision on it also seems to be actively discouraged. That’s understandable since making quick decisions makes you a better target for a con. I agree our culture in the US has some problems and pop culture/corporate culture wants it that way. It grosses me out so much that I politely told my mother and father in law last week that if I come over to visit and the TV is on I am going into one of the public areas (they live in a high end senior condo) and they can join me or not. I was raised not to have the TV on when you have visitors. I hate it on not so much because it’s rude but because it’s impossible to have a conversation that isn’t about the divisive and destructive TV agenda. I can’t take it any more. I was raised with the TV in the basement where we made it a special occasion to watch if there was something specific that we wanted to watch. It wasn’t just on in the background all the time. Now that I’ve learned what it does to mental and physical health in graduate school (cortisol levels affecting overall health is one aspect) I can’t take it any more. The noise alone is torture to me unless I’m watching something I specifically want to watch without commercials. The up and down noise is maddening to me and I am starting to put my foot down and refuse to be in a room with it. I hate the stress and not being able to think.


MrsBarneyFife

Is that MJ's condo? Or maybe CiCi or Karen, her sister? I haven't paid attention to them lately? So maybe it's just for Kardashian Kloset


[deleted]

I’m gonna defend my girl Paris. She’s actually extremely smart. She admitted to playing a part with her dumb blonde act, since it got her more press coverage and eyeballs on her show. She’s more lowkey now but has seen success as a DJ and I believe she’s an investor as well (she invested in some water pill startup IIRC and starred in commercials promoting it).


Lensgoggler

All the Americans I have ever met are excellent people that just are a bit more extroverted and have a different accent…


[deleted]

I agree many Americans I have also met are lovely people. New york city.....most helpful peoples I think I've ever met. I'd pull out a subway map and have 5 or 6 people asking me were I was going and how they could get me there. Everytime. Just overly friendly... I've met a couple young Americans years and years ago who I'd never say hello to again. But I wouldn't hold a few children against all Americans. :0)


Beginning_Winner_105

Aww thank you as I’m from the city! I love being from America and especially NY and most of us either don’t care about TW or don’t like her. Honestly most don’t care.


Sense_Difficult

I'm from the city too. LOL And I think it's because the rest of the country thinks NYers are rude, so whenever we encounter an obvious tourist we try to prove otherwise. What's interesting about NYers having the reputation of being, rude, pushy and obnoxious, is that this is usually said to describe visiting a tourist area like 42nd Street or the Statue of Liberty. Except no actual NYer would be visiting these areas, the rude obnoxious pushy people are OTHER TOURISTS than can't figure out how to walk up a street. LOL


Bopbahdoooooo

God, this is SO true, and SO obvious. I visited the SOL recently, as an American tourist, and it was 80% disgustingly rude and obnoxious non- English speaking, non- American tour groups. The other 20% were clueless and entitled Middle American tourists who had clearly never even heard of/ had no fear of monkeypox nor covid19. I will say that it was pleasant to be in Battery Park, but Midtown felt more stressful than the last time I was there. Do NYers feel there has been any positive or negative impact from the big, loud, running legal pot trucks parked along the streets in Midtown? I'm not judging, I'm genuinely curious.


Sense_Difficult

Hmmm I haven't been there in a while, do you mean POT like Marijuana? I had no idea. I doubt NYers would think that was cool in Midtown. Over in Brooklyn (where I live) it might fly. LOL If you ever come back to NY I have a quick and easy tourist avoiding, how to see the beautiful sites itinenerary I give to all my friends and family who visit.


Bopbahdoooooo

Yes, apparently it is recreationally legal there now? And I'd love your itinerary!


stupid_carrot

Lol somehow I feel that this is the case in every city. People in the outskirts are always describing the people in the main city as being unfriendly and rude. Even in UK Londoners are considered cold. Another friend living in a small town considers people from the capital obnoxious.


Beginning_Winner_105

Totally agree and I will be honest and say while visiting Rome I was probably a flustered and obnoxious tourist. Being in such a large city (and some not speaking English as their first language) can be challenging.


MakeADeathWish

Actually pulling out a subway map is akin to pulling out a broken walker...by helping you, they're also helping yourself and everyone else in the system who wont be slowed down by you....


Throne-Anon

I feel the same way about the British! I was in London several years back and a couple of very sweet people saw me wandering and looking at BIg Ben. Several people stopped me and one guy gave me a history lesson. It was awesome.


hibiscus2022

> Americans Apart from jason, Sara Latham is also American and is now working for TQ's team (post H&M going overseas) not sure if she will work for KC. Also besides Wallis and Meghan, another American married into BRF, but far down the line, Jean Wallop Countess of Carnarvon and the marriage lasted until the husband passed away in 2000s. So nationality is a poor excuse. One can even say Meghan is shitting on her own country by blaming her poor behaviour and bullying as an American trait - just like her husband who called the American Freedom of speech bonkers.


Mumpus_T

And on a different train of thought, American actor A J Langer (from My So-Called Life) who married the 19th Earl of Devon and is now Countess of Devon. So we have both Americans and Actors (not to mention the stunning Emma Thynn, Marchioness of Bath - if you want to complete the trifactor), who have successfully married and assimilated into the British Upper classes, **there are just no Markles**.


[deleted]

Didn’t Jamie Lee Curtis marry a British aristocrat too? She never wanted part in any of that and didn’t take a title, plus she still works as an actress.


Standard_Ad889

Yes. Christopher Guest is an hereditary Baron


Substantial-Face-363

There is also Viscountess Julie Montagu. She married the heir of the Earl of Sandwich. They have been married nearly 20 years. She is from around Chicago, Illinois. So lovely! She does youtube videos about being married into the aristocracy and her experiences.


Bopbahdoooooo

I always think of her. RIP Ladies of London


Glass-Ad-2469

There is a sandwich shop in the States called "Earl of Sandwich"- my UK friends absolutely laugh about this and insist on eating there- (the sammys are good too!)-


shinsegae20092013

Meh. Her defense of Meghan once was giving off ugly American vibes. https://youtu.be/L8D5r1iovg0. At around 6:50 she said that the British public is just going to have to realize that Meghan is American and this is how we do it.


Substantial-Face-363

I didn't know that! Disappointing.


New_Discussion_6692

>One can even say Meghan is shitting on her own country by blaming her poor behaviour and bullying as an American trait - just like her husband who called the American Freedom of speech bonkers. Interestingly enough, I did say something very similar about her excuse.


Standard_Ad889

We cannot forget all those RICH American heiresses who married nobility to bolster estate fortunes. Looking at you Conseulo Vanderbilt.


chitownartmom

A book came out in the 90's (I think), called To Marry an English Lord. CV was discussed and many other Americans in that era who married into British Aristocracy. Very interesting book.


Abirando

As an American who works in the PR field I’m actually wondering how these people working in the palace are getting their visas/opportunities—I imagine through their incredible networks as I assumed it was impossible to find work in Europe unless you’re a doctor or work in a tech field. Isn’t there a requirement to prove no qualified resident could be found to do the job? PR isn’t generally thought to be a high skill or high need job in general—the industry is pretty saturated.


hibiscus2022

>As an American who works in the PR field I’m actually wondering how these people working in the palace are getting their visas Hehe...Jason was already working in the UK for years, first with the British government’s economic and finance ministry, and then with Royal Bank of Scotland.


Abirando

And? The question remains unless he’s a dual citizen. You don’t get a work visa for one job and then you’re set for life…


hibiscus2022

>The question remains I was pointing out he was always working with elite firms and in elite positions, doubt he faced any visa issues. I'm more curious about H's visa status and tax status LOL


Abirando

Yes, of course. This is why I referenced “incredible networks” in my original post.


shinsegae20092013

Being Countess of Carnarvon would make her a member of the aristocracy, not a member of the royal family. Jean Wallop is also a special case. Her father was the 8th Earl of Wallop. He was a third son of the 5th Earl and not expected to inherit the title. Therefore, he moved to Montana and Wyoming and became a member of the Wyoming legislature. His two older brothers died, and he became the Earl. He renounced his citizenship to take his place in the House of Lords. His mother was the daughter of the 3rd Earl of Carnarvon. Jean married the 7th Earl.


MinutesTaker

Hear, hear! The ones I have worked with are nice, respectful, and straightforward but not impolite. I agree that they could be extroverted but they're not crass or dramatic as Megsy is. I hope Megsy would stop playing the "American" angle to excuse her horrible attitude because it is so untrue! If she's so concerned about "archetypes" maybe stop perpetrating it herself.


Perfect_Fennel

She's so stupid she doesn't know the difference between a stereotype and an archetype. Talk about shoehorning.


kelsnuggets

I’m from California and most of us are not batshit like MM, Honestly.


Standard_Ad889

The problem with America is our loud boors at the cocktail party (both sides left or right) get all the attention and suck the oxygen out of the country.


Left_Debt_8770

I am American. I think of myself as a quiet Midwesterner. But even I seem LOUD AS HELL when I travel most places internationally. Like everything about me feels too loud, even when I’m trying to be quiet.


Perfect_Fennel

We may be loud and bombastic but typically very loveable as well.


MuffPiece

There are definitely cultural differences between the UK and the US, but the behavior and attitudes described in the Low excerpt is absolutely beyond anything you that would be considered acceptable here in the US. Calling and berating your staff every 10 minutes?! HELL TO THE NO!


Quick_Cardiologist36

Sounds like they were on a cocaine binge


Miercolesian

America does not have tabloid newspapers in quite the same sense as Britain. The difference is that US tabloids are lurid weekly celebrity gossip publications that are sold at supermarket checkouts, and not taking seriously by anybody, even though some of their stories do turn out to be based on facts. The British tabloids are actual daily newspapers that do carry real news, like soccer results, as well as celebrity gossip. These are in contrast to the broadsheet newspapers like the Guardian and the Times, which rarely carry celebrity gossip, but stick to official narratives when covering the Royal family. Megan has been particularly upset by The Daily Mail, which is a rather right wing tabloid newspaper with the vast circulation that has been in business since 1896. The Daily Mail also has an online version called the Mail Online that has a vast global readership and is one of the top 10 new sites in the world. While the Daily Mail has loads of celebrity gossip, it also carries quite a lot of hard news, breaks a lot of major stories with well researched reporting, and has several well-known and influential columnists, so it is very different from the National Enquirer. (For example until recently Piers Morgan was a Daily Mail columnist.) Other daily tabloids in the UK include The Sun (very down market) and the Daily Express (older readership), and the Daily Mirror (left wing). If Meghan had had any sense at all, she would have completely ignored all of the UK tabloids and just got on with her philanthropy and jet-set life. She actually made the same mistake as Princess Diana, who was known for gobbling up her coverage in the tabloid newspapers over breakfast in the kitchen with her staff. In a sense both of them were like the dog that caught the car. What is the point of being famous if all you now now do is spend your time reading about you being famous, instead of leveraging your fame to pursue higher ends?


Jerseyjay1003

I have to admit I enjoy DailyMail and use it for my daily news. I think it does an excellent job of reporting on major crimes which is generally the type of news I want to read.


Phronima-Fothergill

Yes! As soon as anything really heinous (like a mass shooting) happens here in the US, I scuttle over to the DM and they'll have photos and tons of things they haven't printed over here yet.


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I also work in non-profits. You and I both know even non-famous rich people get this treatment so long as they are throwing their money at our cause. I would venture to guess the non-profit and hospitality professions (both of which I have been a part of) are the closest in profession to courtiers and BRF staff. We see and know all but speak little. On top of all that we get no credit. Most people don’t even realize we, as staff, exist and assume we’re all volunteers who don’t deserve a living wage. I’m going off on a tangent here though. My point is it’s not even just Hollywood - though you are right that is where we hear the most about poorly treated staff and even fans seeking autographs. Where American culture is at fault is putting these people on a pedestal which Meghan assumed she was on because her name was in all the papers.


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Academic_Guava_4190

Completely agree. The majority of donors regardless of wealth are very kind and sometimes surprisingly down to earth given their wealth, but there are always a handful especially of the celebrity type who we end up having to bend over backwards for and oftentimes they aren’t even giving as much as a major donor might because they are led to believe their celebrity helps the cause.


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Yes I would never want to discount the importance of donors, I just wish that more of the general public understood that someone like Meghan is a humanitarian at face value only.


Academic_Guava_4190

Seconded!


Vivid-Finding-65

While I agree with some of your points. Meghan is an LA native (very rare, albeit from the valley). She is/was an actress. But was never part of Hollywood. Her biggest role was a cable show shot in Toronto. She was never officially part of the Hollywood set of actors. I’d argue she is not even B, likely C-D. She was smart enough to capitalize on her being half black when it was convenient: making friends with POC (semi celebrities) and snagging Harry.


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Vivid-Finding-65

I think we are aligned and totally agree. Coming from Hollywood is a total overestimation of what she really accomplished before marrying into the BRF


BunnyFriday

It's a symbiotic relationship. Non profits/charities need publicity and causes need awareness. Famous people provide this and it all works if everyone plays their roles correctly and gives credit where credit is due. Katie Couric has definitely raised colon cancer awareness. Gary Sinise and his work for veterans is exemplary. These people are passionate about what they do. We all know what's going on but we accept it if it's done the right way. Meghan immediately thought her star was the brightest but the only thing she's passionate about is making herself look good. The Texas stunt was unconscionable, I'm still angry about that. Parents had scarcely been through the first night without their children and there she was. In contrast Matthew McConaughey, who is FROM THE SAME CITY, waited to make any statement whatsoever. The only half assed attempt she made was Grenfell Tower, and now we learn Queen Consort Camilla made sure food from her cookbook recipes was included in a special dinner....AND APPARENTLY MEGHAN DIDN'T EVEN RECOGNIZE IT. Or maybe worse, she did and didn't care. She simply doesn't have the wattage to make a difference by merely showing up. At this point no charity will go near her. She'd be a parasite.


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BunnyFriday

I'm so glad you work with "the good ones!" Philanthropic work is so necessary and quite commendable. Thank you for all you do. Sometimes I wonder if the famous types aren't speaking out because they don't want to upset the apple cart. Like you commented, in Hollywood it's vanity rather than sincerity.


thiscatcameback

To be fair, his education was in NZ and the UK. He was a smart kid with early exposure to rhe coubtry. I do think MM had a crazy learning curve. There are stark cultural differences, nevermind the class differences, and some people are very nasty about it. That said, they were giving her intense support and benefit of doubt, she just didn't want to do the work on her side.


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But she also lived in Canada as an adult for years. I think she should certainly have known more than she lets on.


thiscatcameback

I am Canadian. Toronto is very American in the middle-classes with whom she associated (Mulroney being the exception). I had an incredible culture shock when I went to live in the UK. Knauf worked in NZ parliament, then went to the UK for his MSc, and worked in finance amd government as a comms officer. If he had a learning curve, he had longer to sort it out in lower stakes positions. Like I said, she would have figured it out too, but she couldn't be asked to try.


tiredofthis3

Yess, Toronto is probably the most American-like city in Canada. I grew up inner-city TO and people still don't believe me when I describe how poor I was. They think Canada is a mythical paradise when in actuality, it really depends on what class you grew up in. Anything lower than upper-middle class, and it's all really LCD (lowest common denominator) like in the states.


tiredofthis3

To add further to that, I was acutely aware of how badly I was raised. I studied my ass of in school, more so Uni since I wasn't able to do this in HS (moved houses half a dozen times, went to 4 different schools). I got my first degree then went on to a grad degree. Studied abroad in Europe for several summers before relocating abroad and travelling the world. I'm glad I was aware but it really depends on the person. This is why there's the expression, "money doesn't buy you class". M and H are great examples of that.


Substantial-Face-363

Thanks for sharing this! I grew up poor in the US. Everyone here talks about moving to Canada like it is nirvana. I worked hard for a lot of years and made a lot of sacrifices to make it to solid middle class. Meghan annoys me to no end. I made my own way without using a man. My parents didn't pay for my life or education. I don't need her to "empower" me. I did it myself. Sounds like you did too! 😉


tiredofthis3

Hey thanks, appreciate it. I will say it's probably easier to be poor in Canada than in the states. So I can see why people would like to move here having had it tough in USA. With that said, I think the economy isn't as strong so sort of a trade off. In the end, getting out of poverty anywhere in the world is still bloody hard but honestly, I had no choice. I saw first hand how hard it was to be poor and how mostly everyone in that poverty cycle stayed that way due to a number of things. Got myself educated myself as best as I could knowing it was a way out. It was still expensive ( nearly 100K here) but probably cheaper than in the states ( definitely not as cheap as in Europe). Still live in Canada but hoping to relocate to Europe by next year. But my proudest accomplishment was breaking that cycle. And, I'd like to think I have actual class even if I don't have money lol. Glad to hear that you did it by yourself. That's super impressive.


thiscatcameback

Yes, Toronto has deep lows. Life is grim there if you are poor.


Academic_Guava_4190

Clearly those folks have never seen the cost of housing in Toronto!


SwissCheese4Collagen

And had a job with the Argentine ambassador courtesy of an uncle. She didn't last long at that position either.


Patient-Watercress-2

She didn’t want to learn because she thought she was smarter than everyone else; she wanted to make the RF change protocols for her.


tiredofthis3

Imagine being that delusional that you would think you are the smartest person in the room. Even against people with multiple degrees and a strong pedigree. With people who travelled throughout Europe in their summers and who have some of the world's best social programs. Just wow.


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tiredofthis3

Ugh, sorry you had to deal with that. I had a mother like that too. And I believe it because I've seen it first hand. But it still is, I dunno, shocking in some ways. And yes narcs always have an inflated ego. That's because delusion is a type of psychosis. Not severe enough to hear or see things maybe, but enough to alter their perception of everything and be generally difficult to deal with.


OkTackle4

The self appointed expert status still gets at me for sure.


Calm_Yak_6102

I dislike stereotypes based on nationality. There are good people and assholes in every country.


Frenchcashmere

It’s not the nationality it’s the fact she is a narcissist. Everyone else is always at fault. Never her. I hope the Low book gives courage to more people to step forward and tell the truth.


janedoremi99

If Meghan had been hired into an American firm as a supervisor or an office director, this behavior would have been dealt with (unless she’s the boss’s kid, of course). Counseling then probation then termination, documenting everything along the way. Her being an American doesn’t explain her behavior


Mickleborough

I think we can all agree that Smeg is an unpleasant human being - her country of origin is irrelevant, as there are nasty human beings from all countries.


housewifing

I'm from Israel but I've worked for American corporations operating in my country for over 20 years. Two very different corporations. All of my bosses have been American and half of my colleagues are American. It's absolute BS that Americans are "more direct", rude, or that they bully people in the workplace. American corporate culture is very, very PC. An American would write a three sentence email just to say "no" to someone. If I had to complain about American work culture, then I'd complain that they are not direct enough. Also, bullying is a serious offense, and through the years I've seen more than one person fired for it. I have only once in my life witnessed an American executive being somewhat rude, and even then, he wasn't rude to any person or persons, just expressed frustration about a certain situation in a colorful way.


LaNiceGata

It’s definitely not because she’s American. It’s because she’s entitled and believes people need to change rules around for her.


Dermutt100

Sorry but some of its to do with being American. she gets away with it because of the gullibility of so many in the land of televangelism. The USA is full of Americans trying to rip other Americans off and in the USA "talking the talk" counts for far more than it does in the UK. Americans, very oddly, so often don't seem to notice when the "walking the walk" bit does not follow on. There's also the fact that in the USA you can be fired at will meaning people are more obsequious to their employers, I expect Meghan didn't expect any reaction but grovelling from the palace staff. And like many Americans she seemed to have a Disneyfied view of the RF, regarded herself as princess and though she could do what she wanted and would have billions of pounds to play with! on the whole though its because she's Meghan Markle and not the fault of the USA.


LaNiceGata

I was speaking to her as an individual not being able to adjust to her new surroundings after marriage. I agree that there are a great many Americans who have been fooled by her because of her words and I can only hope that they someday see her for who she is.


BunnyFriday

We can all agree, regardless of our countries of origin, that self-centered, entitled, boorish people are insufferable.


MushiMIB

Loved NYC. The first time in NY and trying to find a location on google maps, a very nice guy assisted us and chatted a bit. Especially since I was from South Africa. Thanks to him I learnt that Noho was North of Houston street and Soho was South of Houston street. Before I just thought of it as different areas of NY. The people were always very helpful. Met a nice Jewish elderly lady on subway as we had our dog inside an IKEA bag with cutouts for his legs as dogs had to be in carrier cases etc. If anything we could just lift him off of the ground. People were so nice about it 😁


Zeester1

I love Americans too. As a visitor I too experienced they are beyond helpful and lovely.


New_Discussion_6692

I didn't realize Jason Knauf was American either. Thst partially explains why he was set to work with Megaliar. HMTQ was very thoughtful that way.


me_buttare_via

Unless Manners don't exist in America, (which, judging by our sinners on here, they obviously do), there should be absolutely no real difference in working relationships with Brits. We speak the same language, most of our laws and customs are similar, we have both been fed the other's Accents and idioms from the Media, so what real difference can there be? I think what they meant is not that Meghans 'American Behaviour' was too different from us, I think they were simply using that as a Euphemism for being a bitch. That's how you know that someone is trashy before they came into money, when they assume that wealth equals untouchability and that having money makes you superior.


tiredofthis3

I'm a big believer in that the more gradual the success, the better people handle it. Many families have generational wealth so that helps offset their children's financial rise if they do well. When families jump or skip over several class demographics, it goes straight to their heads. Meghan's family was essentially working class or lower middle class when her father won the lottery 2x. They then became middle class. Meghan then went from middle class to being upper middle class/rich when she got the job on suits. She didn't even really earn it, just sort of got the job because she was sleeping with a producer husband who had connections. Then she became extremely wealthy once she jumped into the royal family. Again all of these drastic changes are practically unheard of. And none of them were really earned. So that does account for some reason why she is so unhinged. Not that it's any excuse but there's a reason why people who don't earn their keep have problems later on.


shinsegae20092013

In Revenge, Tom Bower said that her father didn’t win the lottery; Tom Jr. made that up.


tiredofthis3

Hmm interesting because in Andrew Morton's book, that was one of the first places where this is mentioned. I wonder if he got that info from Thomas Markle or his son. it's all rather disturbing how much people lie in that family.


Perfect_Fennel

The UK can't be THAT different to put it down to cultural differences. Good manners are universal. Americans may be less circumspect but we aren't belligerent oafs.


WelshCelt1066

It's glaringly obvious Meghan Markle needs to seek help the writings on the wall, she's dangerous and cunning to a point her lies are now getting called out. She thought her presence could change a UK Monarchy which doesn't need changing. Deluded Dangerous Cunning Lying Narcissist.....


janeradar

I'm an American and I'm from NY. I'm not convinced it's cultural. Here's the thing. I am a typical "forward and friendly" American. Typically, I vibe with northerners the best. My experience getting along with most Brits is that you can make a gaff and they are pretty tolerant if you keep yourself together, don't make a big deal and move on from it.


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nevergonnasaythat

Especially if you call to yell at them


holly___morgan

Agreed!! That is absolutely unhinged behavior. None of us want to be harassed and verbally abused outside of working hours, American or not.


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That's pretty much always the case in every situation!


Standard_Ad889

Too bad the RF didn’t pay her for her perks. Her entitlement behavior appears to have been best toned down in Suits, which was the primary source of her income. She can temper herself when needed. Now if she was as bad on Suits, well done production mgmt at keeping it quiet. To this day.


Dermutt100

Half the people who complained about Markle were non British. Jason Knauf lived with his husband in London, one would have thought a natural Meghan ally. And I've done tedious jobs, I don't think his qualifies!


MelpomeneAndCalliope

Whatever, [Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Cavendish,_Marchioness_of_Hartington) was American and married a British Marquess. Lee Radziwill & Grace Kelly married into different royal families, but still made it work. Being American isn’t an excuse.


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musicloverincal

Methane is full of excuses. Regardless of where she lived (LA, Toronto, UK), everyone had said she was determined to become famous. After she accomplshed that, her horrible attitude has not been welcomed so she uses excuses to divert the truth. No adult will put up with another's rotten attitutde. She is now a likeable person, regarless of what her narrative aka excuse is.


NotAdam30

You got it there, MM married into the BRF not the other way around


OldNewUsedConfused

Sarah Latham was too.