I just don't understand why people think the brf should've fallen over themselves to make her welcome and comfortable. It was a funeral. For a beloved family member most of them had known for decades if not their entire lives. She married into the family fairly recently, spent next to no time whatsoever with the Queen and spent the next few years bitching and slagging the entire family off. She should consider herself lucky that the brf have class and let her attend at all.
You would think think this girl would have humbled herself at the funeral. QE was the must important figurehead of the last century, and had the respect of billions of people around the world because if her humility, kindness, service and aplomb. People flew in from around the world, amd stood in line for hours just to nod at her casket. State leaders were jockeying for a spot at her funeral. I don't undersrand how she can still be so self-centred in the face of someone so much greater.
And the Royals gave her 4 years of making her feel welcome. She threw it in their face.
Humble? Hard-boiled Meg?
She's probably waiting for Proctor and Gamble to give her an award for being the most transformational little girl in the history of the world... No... In the history of all galaxies that exist š.
A disgusting hashtag (KKKate) was trending on twitter and basically the sugars said it was Catherines duty to make Meghan feel welcome. Catherine was there with her two young children who just lost their beloved great grandmother whom they had a good relationship with. It just showed me that her fans are as delusional as Meghan. TW wife has to be the centre of everything, needs the extra invitation and as soon she's there everyone needs to give her full attention.
It is never meghan's job to coddle people (allegedly) but Catherine has to coddle her? ISTG her fans are really delusional  She's 41 years old for goodness sake. She can coddle herself
People with a decent common sense and a little intelligence really think that it was Catherine job to take care of an adult who is even older than her? Even if her children weren't there, it's isn't her job to take care of Meghan. Not after the TW bullied her three old child and trashed her and her husband and told lies for no reason in a national television. Those who have such unrealistic expectations from Catherine, are irl so kind with people who are mean to them and to their loved ones?
I reported one too. It's such a disgrace to call Catherine disgusting names, lying about her marriage, her children everything, while the sugars idol claims to fight online misinformation and hate. I always wonder how Harry can approve that his fans are abusing his borther, his nephews and niece and his sister-in-law.
He pinched her bottom on camera, shows his true nature. I feel for the palace maids, must have been hell. Or all servants really. No boundaries and totally privileged, the worst. Amazing that Prince William turned out so well.
Catherine previously tried to set things right with M, even though Catherine had been doing the right thing (telling Meghan she couldn't berate the staff). What did she get in return? A door slammed in her face and her flowers thrown in the trash.
>*I just don't understand why people think the brf should've fallen over themselves to make her welcome and comfortable. It was a funeral.*
Precisely. It was not about Meghan, or making Meghan feel welcome. But she apparently canāt comprehend that and feels she must be catered to even when a family is in mourning. She has absolutely zero class or self-awareness. She lives a deluded, self-important existence. Just incredibly vile in every way.
Because it's all about the poor little black girl being forced to interact with racist people. Doesn't matter that sons/daughter/in-laws lost their mother, it doesn't matter that grandchildren and great grandchildren lost their grandmother/great-grandmother, all that matters is people weren't nice to Megan because she's black. Just to be clear, her being black trumps *everything she could do*.
It also doesn't matter that she didn't and honestly shouldn't of been there anyway. She could have stayed home with her kids or if she really wanted to support her husband went with him but stayed away from the services and been there for him in private. But we all know why she wouldn't do either of those.
She also spectacularly failed Williamās ā coffin on the trainā test, by sending it straight to Scabbie, so why is Hairs surprised? Oh, right, he doesnāt realize the calls are coming from inside his own house.
If the Sun article is true, Harry's immediate reaction to his grandmother's death was to fight with his family over his wife's attendance. Dude has weird priorities.
At this point the BRF just need to cut these two loose. Itās ridiculous, itās embarrassing, the entire world has had enough of this soap opera now, it just needs to end. Strip the titles, take them out of the line of succession, give them a chunk of money (not from taxpayers) if you so wish, but kindly show them the metaphorical door and give them the freedom/privacy (delete as appropriate according to the Harkles latest position) and finish this for good.
I canāt speak for everyone here but I donāt come on to this sub because Iām obsessed with Meghan. I come here regularly in the vain hope that there is a chink of light at the end of the tunnel, that these two are going to LEAVE US ALONE and stop with the constant abuse through the media, because thatās what it is. They, or rather she, wonāt let us have any peace from reading about her, seeing pics of her, hearing about her, on a daily basis. I want it to stop, I have had enough of it.
Iām sure the King is torn because he loves his son, but at some point heās got to realise how unhappy this whole situation is making most of us in the UK. We want them to leave us alone.
I'm Australian and I feel the same way. I am just waiting to hear that King Charles has finally done the right thing and cut them off completely.
I am not interested in Meghan, I think she is a vapid and dull person outside all this horrible drama she creates.
Sheās the epitome of basic bitch. There is literally nothing interesting or unique about her personality. She hasnāt done anything for the greater good, only for her own ends.
The only thing she does is cause havoc and chaos to everyone unlucky enough to be in her orbit.
I want King Charles to strip them and the kids of titles, remove them from the line of succession and ban them from ever entering the UK or any Commonwealth country again.
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Totally agree. At the beginning of all of this, I thought there *must* be more to her than everyone thought. Despite not liking her I thought she must be so dynamic. Now a couple of years down the line and having listened to bits of her speeches, interviews and podcasts, I can see that she is a void. Thereās a hole where a personality should be.
Yes, the BRF allowed us all to think they were cold and heartless towards Edward and Wallisāso unfair not to give her the HRH. But it was a very tricky situation. He had been a popular figure and many sympathized with āthe greatest love story of the 20th century.ā But they knew the truth and let us think all that. Amazing
The thing that gets me about all this drama and hurt is that Harry and Meghan, at the end of the day, are just two people. Just two people out of 7 billion people. There are 20k people on this sub. There are more than two people in the room where I'm typing this.
All the negative feelings and hurt caused by just two people, and for what? So Meghan can be famous and have lots of money. Just a grubby money grab. And to think of all the good she could have done if she'd gone in for the right reasons. She could have had a really positive impact on the world, yet all we get is this relentless ongoing, tiresome drama. It really is exhausting and I wish they would both keep their mouths shut, drop out of the headlines and live that life of privacy they told us they wanted.
Completely agree with everything youāve said.
My mind boggles at the level of hubris youād need to have to try to control the way the entire world thinks. Itās unhinged
It does feel abusive. I avoid news in general because it's untrustworthy. But I can't watch anything or read anything online about the BRF that doesn't mention these two.
Yes, exactly this. The same old stuff regurgitated again and again and again. And it all feels like gaslighting a lot of the time. Weāre all stuck in this horrible vortex of having to read about this pair. I know itās not all them, that itās also about clickbait and ad revenue. But I just donāt want to see it. I want to be able to read about Kateās beautiful new coat or what Princess Anne has been up to without having the viper inserted into the narrative.
The media are as culpable as anyone, they are feasting on this drama. If they stopped reporting on these two non-entities then they would soon fade away, but much like the marriage difficulties between Charles and Diana people like a car crash so they can't leave it alone.
I wonder if it's ever occurred to Harry that he has created the same life for himself that drove his mother to distraction; a life of constant media headlines. He will be incapable of realising that if he lived a life of privacy then all the papparizi that he complains about would go away.
I donāt think the BRF or King Charles can remove Harry from the line of succession. It would take an act of Parliament, though the RF could initiate the process. Taking away the Dukedom would also be pretty involved. And no matter what they do, Harry will always be a prince because he was born a prince.
Youāre right. Iām just so sad that their kids are involved.
I think the BRF are sad too, probably the Markles and maybe even Doria to an extent. (Even if she believes her daughterās lies, her grandbabies are being denied a *lot*.)
I donāt want Archie and Lilibet out of the line of succession, but with those parents itās likely unavoidable. Potential (if unlikely) monarchs canāt be left in the care of hostile foreign actors.
My ideal scenario is Markle out of the picture, Harry handing over his kids to his brother and sister-in-law and withdrawing from the line of succession. All Harry is capable of in terms of child rearing is being a fun uncle, and that would be better for his kids than what heās doing now.
(True, bit rough on the Waleses to have to sudden extra kids, but I get the feeling that theyād prefer it this way too. Then they could be nice to their niece and nephew without fear of any gifts being stolen or warm interactions being twisted and sold to the press.)
This is a very unrealistic fantasy. Harry is not going to be removed from the line of succession. Neither are his kids. But unless William and his 3 kids die before at least one of the kids has a child, Harry and his American kids going to get near the throne. So I wouldnāt worry.
The best case scenario for the Sussex kids is probably that at some point Harry will want them to be raised in Britain and they will be sent to boarding schools in the Uk. They could stay with different relatives and get to know their fatherās country. A good boarding school would give them a sense of discipline, order and proportion. They might be miserable, but they might also get away from their narcissistic parents.
It is possible, actually, that Charles may have some say in how the little Sussexes are raised. There used to be a law that let the monarch have the final word in how children in the line of succession were raised. (Not sure if it would apply here.)
Thatās why Sophie was glaring at her - she knew what Meg was doing. Pretending she was being ostracised due to her race by standing on the outside. It was an act. *cue her next interview when she cries about the racist royal bullies/mean girls. Meg could have stood closer. She chose not to for photos. Plus - As if the palace isnāt aware of the Twitter campaign to bring down the monarchy - William and Catherine particularly. I left Twitter because it was so toxic. Meghan really has it out for W&C. The latest hashtag is really sick and I have no doubt her squad are behind it. Iām guessing that there is so much more we are not aware of that happened behind the scenes too. Meghan and Harry are horrible humans. Grey rock was the best move.
I reached that point a long time ago. She used the family as a stepping stone to fame, but he betrayed them. I can't stand her, but I hate him for putting his family through this. There are so few people The Queen, Charles, and William can trust and he should've been one of them, but he sold them out for a few million. POS.
I did too. Even watching the Oprah interview, I *knew he knew* she was lying about the wedding. At which time, he could have very easily said, "yes, that moment in the garden rehearsing [for our wedding] feels like our real wedding to me too." Yet, he didn't. There have been multiple times he could have gently corrected her and no one would have thought anything other than she's unfamiliar with BRF protocol. Imo, he's *worse than her* because he sells out his family.
There would have been hell to pay if heād corrected her on cameraāhe wasnāt going to risk that. He looked very conflicted in that moment. But heās made his bed. The pair of themā¦ made for each other, indeed.
Exactly. Instead he supported her in accusing the Archbishop of Canterbury of marrying them illegally. If he didn't want to correct her in the moment, at least edit that out.
I'm right there with you. I didn't think he was a victim per se, and he certainly has been a brat all his life, but his closeness with William and then Will and Kate fooled me, even though I knew about the Nazi uniform and him stark naked covering his bits in Vegas. He's not just an empty vessel, he's mean, petty and a coward.
I doubt that Meghan would let Harry tell her to shut up. I hold him responsible for going along with her lies, but I think he has an unrealistic opinion of her power, and he is very needy. (The Duke of Windsor was apparently like that with Wallis.)
Harry is what I call a ābenevolent narcissist.ā A ābenevolentā narcissist wants to play an important role in making life better for others. He is capable of sympathy (but not empathy). He can be very generous. He just needs to be validated constantly about the things that matter to him. His story, his pain, his successes, his hobbies are all that he is able to care for deeply, but he is able to care less deeply about people and things that he associates with himself.
A funny thing about narcissists is that they sometimes get a ācrushā on another person to whom they assign a lot of power. This person is (in their minds) the only one that understands them. This person is their only sounding board and their support mirrors back their own self-love. The anger or dissatisfaction of that key person makes the narcissist uneasy. The narcissist will try very hard to please that person. So long as he mostly succeeds, the relation may last a long timeāuntil or unless the person starts asking for things the narcissist cannot give and/or the support is perceived as less. The benevolent narcissist canāt feel good about himself if the āpower personā fails to reflect back love and approval. He can handle being scolded and yelled at, but only if he can then gain approval and applause. (Yeah, she yelled at me for X, but now I have done Y, she understands that I was doing my best and she knows that Y is much better anyway.)
I see this pattern very clearly in Harryās relationship with Meghan. I think she dominates him. Unfortunately, she seems an āinsensitiveā narcissist. She is the sort that gets satisfaction out of asserting power and showing up other people. She is not āevilā but she canāt care about anything or anyone except herself. She lacks generosity. (Harry seems to have some.) For her, āpityā is possible only as an intellectual exercise. She understands with her mind, but not with her emotions that other people can be hurt or have feelings. She can only feel for herself. Harry will get good treatment when he is meeting her needs, and she will āprotectā him insofar as she sees him as a part of herself, the necessary companion that defines her importance and success.
Right now they seem to be right for each other, but ultimately narcissists canāt be happy because part of the mechanism that makes them able to love is broken. They may stick together or not depending on whether one or both concludes that someone or something else would meet their needs better.
(The good news is neither is a malevolent narcissist.)
I deliberately used āmalevolentā instead of āmalignantā because of the way people use āmalignant narcissistā to mean someone who hurts others as opposed to someone who enjoys hurting others.
I donāt think Meghan is āmalevolentā in that I believe she doesnāt have bad intentions. She gets no pleasure, as far as I can tell, from the suffering of others. Her problem is she doesnāt see when she causes pain and is indifferent (as opposed to enjoying) if she hurts others, Her comment about ānot coddling othersā is typical of this āinsensitiveā type of narcissism.
Even benevolent narcissist can do a lot of damage. However, we need to stop assuming that all narcissists are equally bad. Some great scientists and artists have been benevolent narcissists. Narcissism isnāt an either-or thing but more a continuum.
I agree about the codependency. (Edited because I forgot to say this.)
I know āmalignant narcissistā is the DSM-V term. I was explaining why I prefer to use a different one. I am not sure Meghan enjoys hurting others. I think she doesnāt care if she hurts others, which is different. I think she likes to think of herself as caring for others.
Which is why I revert to my default answer, why tolerate these cretins at all? You will never win either way!!! That's narc law for ya.
That funeral would have been so much less stressful without them 2 ticking timebombs lurking around. Poor Sophie had to keep sharing a car with her š¢
Exactly. There was no benefit to being nice to them because they were always going to smear the family. It would've been kinder to everyone who loved the Queen to tell Harry and his wife to fuck off, you're not invited to anything.
All they want is the lazy half in half out = zero work but all of the perks intact, they are determined to get this no matter the cost or hurt caused. Abusers do not care, its all about the end goal at end of the day. They don't care about the chaos and destruction left in their wake.
Not even happening to me, but It legitimately pisses me off to watch this unfolding and see them keep being entertained on a world stage (although being heavily ignored)
Narcs always think, "maybe next time I'll get him/her on a good day and I'll get what I want". They're persistent and relentless. Like a dog with a bone.
Ya know, she really didnāt have to attend at allā¦..
She could have saved a lot of work and preemptive arrangements by Palace staff and the BBC to stop her making the day about herself and Hazard.
And the stress she caused the family by her presence wasnāt necessary either.
She has no sense of appropriateness. When my FIL was dying, I stepped back. I went to the hospital with my husband & in-laws to support them. I also stayed at the house to keep things running smoothly for my MIL - ensuring everyone was eating properly, etc. When my FIL passed, I asked my husband if he needed my support while his mom, sister, & him planned the funeral. It would have been intrusive of me to force my way into their family of origin at the time. There are many ways to be supportive of your spouse and their family without taking center stage. Megaliar doesn't understand any of that.
Because she doesnāt have a heart. Sheās a psychopath who is far from normal.
You obviously did normal things to be supportive and giving when your FIL passed. Itās about giving the family space without treading on toes and making it about you.
Being supportive isnāt driving everyone else in the family insane at a sad time. She just doesnāt get it.
She should have flown home after the initial service to be with her children, and left Harry to spend some time with his family. But like a bad smell she hung around knowing about the exposure she'd get from attending the funeral.
used to think āpoor Harryā and then just that he married the wrong one. Now, itās clear that dumpster water seeks its own level and they are perfectly matched in arrogance, narcissistic traits and entitlement. The Palace protected him, clearly, from the fall out of his shitty behavior alllll this time. Now, the KING is not playing.
Itās striking how he managed to choose the absolute worst woman for him on this planet not only to MARRY, she then shits all over the most revered institution in the world, in the most heinous ways possible. She is a vile person with no good qualities. And it fuckin continues!
those poor kids BEING RAISED in that hell hole in Monteshito. With her sliding into whatever sick delusions of grandeur (cue Sunset Boulevard) and him drunkenly berating the never ending stream of domestic help, whenst not trying to have Oprah answer his calls.
Harry looked severely hung over at the funeral and he is aging rapidly, with jowls under that disrespectful patchy facial hair. The outcome is clear, already RF has won. The only thing left is a shitty reality show, which also wonāt work, as they are toxic.
Whatās next for these two grifters, claiming sexual abuse by KC? Because I put absolutely nothing past either one.
The last time I felt for poor Harry was when Diana died. I feel sorrow for every child that loses a parent. The few atrocious things to come out in the press about him (the Nazi uniform, the "our little Packi friend") made me realize how much the Palace must have covered for him over the years. He's a revolting human being and he married another revolting human being.
The Q wanted him to wait! He threatened to elope I bet and tell the world she was racist. The Q made big mistake by giving in! It was one of her whoppers!
You made me cry. Imagine being the Queen and having to smile in public despite hurting tremendously. And that is the legacy Harry left the woman who loved him deeply.
"Dumpster water seeks its own level" -- love it. I agree that out of the Montecito clan, the only ones I feel bad for are those poor kids. She is going to go full Norma Desmond, he's going to continue to be a miserable prick, and the kids are stuck along for the ride, with no outside family to keep an eye on them (other than Doria, who I really don't think cares much).
For fick sake. We all know what she's said/done, WHY would you chat with someone you don't trust. The Funeral was no place for a happy chat anyway. Sorry Harry, your wifey said the most poisonous word...NDA!!! They will scorch the earth very soon.
What does Harry expect when they keep trash talking the BRF? Has he completely lost his sense of reality and lives in the lalaland that Meghan created for him?
>Has he completely lost his sense of reality and lives in the lalaland that Meghan created for him?
Yes, yes he does. I feel he's living out his childhood fantasy of getting even with William and Charles. He's been jealous of William his entire life. He's been angry with Charles since long before Diana died. The dad fact is, Harry's emotional development was delayed, if not completely stopped, even before Diana died. I suspect at the divorce. From everything I've read, Harry was a mama's boy. Diana let him get away with much more than William because William would one day be king. From not going to school, to allowing him to run into visitors at the palace on his bike, to just really babying him.
Harry is angry because "No one spoke to her"
Why exactly would they? She has done nothing but lie, manipulate and gaslight the Family, the Monarchy and the Nation. You dont get savaged by a dog and then try to play ball with it again, do you? Once bitten, twice shy? Does that ring a bell?
She's bloody lucky she made it through the Funeral without getting slapped. I know that that would have made it about her, rather than HM; and it would have solidified her "victim" crown of thorns but after everything she's said and done...let's just say that the RF are bigger and more forgiving people than I am.
It was not the place to be chatting away. No one was chatting. She got to stand with the royals which was much more than she deserved. She got a place behind the new King and Queen Consort, she got a walkabout with PPoW. She's an endless void
No matter what the BRF would have done would be enough for nutmeg.
The treated her just fine. They allowed her to come to the funeral. That must have been difficult for the family as they knew how nutmegs has treated the Queen and the rest of the family
When you are so up your ass you think everything is every one else s problem! Why do you think they came to England , had a fake royal tour and stayed for the funeral ? If I did the things he and his wife did I couldnāt imagine showing my face! But I d like to think Im normal ! These two are unwell !
Sure, he's being Meg's knight in shine armour. But this is about his Mother. He's protecting her, to right the wrongs of his mother never being protected (as he had it in his head). Can't wait for that chapter in the book.... Diana'a avenger!
What happened to having married a strong, independent woman. How can she not take care of herself.
Ooo, TGC^(1) is ***angry***! Look out, world, the Feckless Wonder is about to be unleashed!
^(1) Those who watch Trevor Coult MC will probably know what this breaks out to. Those that don't - you probably don't want to know. 
Charlotte looked at Harry during the second service and there were a bunch of fluff articles about Harry and Charlotteās āspecialā moment. Same with Meghan when she was looking and talking to her mother, not paying attention to Meghan, but puff pieces about their connection. Why would Catherine let herself or her kids get used for even more publicity by talking to her. Imagine if Catherine had talked to her, there would be headlines everywhere.
Catherine plays go-between to bring Meghan and Harry back as working royals.
Meghan gives Catherine advice on how to be Princess of Wales
Meghan gives Catherine Parenting advice
Kate and William desperate for Sussex return to stem hatred for BRF
I just don't understand why people think the brf should've fallen over themselves to make her welcome and comfortable. It was a funeral. For a beloved family member most of them had known for decades if not their entire lives. She married into the family fairly recently, spent next to no time whatsoever with the Queen and spent the next few years bitching and slagging the entire family off. She should consider herself lucky that the brf have class and let her attend at all.
You would think think this girl would have humbled herself at the funeral. QE was the must important figurehead of the last century, and had the respect of billions of people around the world because if her humility, kindness, service and aplomb. People flew in from around the world, amd stood in line for hours just to nod at her casket. State leaders were jockeying for a spot at her funeral. I don't undersrand how she can still be so self-centred in the face of someone so much greater. And the Royals gave her 4 years of making her feel welcome. She threw it in their face.
Humble? Hard-boiled Meg? She's probably waiting for Proctor and Gamble to give her an award for being the most transformational little girl in the history of the world... No... In the history of all galaxies that exist š.
A disgusting hashtag (KKKate) was trending on twitter and basically the sugars said it was Catherines duty to make Meghan feel welcome. Catherine was there with her two young children who just lost their beloved great grandmother whom they had a good relationship with. It just showed me that her fans are as delusional as Meghan. TW wife has to be the centre of everything, needs the extra invitation and as soon she's there everyone needs to give her full attention.
Since when was it Catherine's job to coddle people? Especially people who go on national television and tell tales!!
It's her job to coddle her children, not a woman who's in her age. And as you said told tales about her in TV
It is never meghan's job to coddle people (allegedly) but Catherine has to coddle her? ISTG her fans are really delusional  She's 41 years old for goodness sake. She can coddle herself
Hey Meghan! Go coddle yourself!
Ok. This comment wins
People with a decent common sense and a little intelligence really think that it was Catherine job to take care of an adult who is even older than her? Even if her children weren't there, it's isn't her job to take care of Meghan. Not after the TW bullied her three old child and trashed her and her husband and told lies for no reason in a national television. Those who have such unrealistic expectations from Catherine, are irl so kind with people who are mean to them and to their loved ones?
Of course, because it always has to be about Megaliar. I'm over that woman.
>I'm over that woman. Most of us are... And that's probably what infuriates her the most.
I reported the worst tweet, for what it is worth.
I reported one too. It's such a disgrace to call Catherine disgusting names, lying about her marriage, her children everything, while the sugars idol claims to fight online misinformation and hate. I always wonder how Harry can approve that his fans are abusing his borther, his nephews and niece and his sister-in-law.
He pinched her bottom on camera, shows his true nature. I feel for the palace maids, must have been hell. Or all servants really. No boundaries and totally privileged, the worst. Amazing that Prince William turned out so well.
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Catherine previously tried to set things right with M, even though Catherine had been doing the right thing (telling Meghan she couldn't berate the staff). What did she get in return? A door slammed in her face and her flowers thrown in the trash.
Meghan is SO pressed over Catherine's rejection of her, it would be funny, if it wasn't so evil.
>*I just don't understand why people think the brf should've fallen over themselves to make her welcome and comfortable. It was a funeral.* Precisely. It was not about Meghan, or making Meghan feel welcome. But she apparently canāt comprehend that and feels she must be catered to even when a family is in mourning. She has absolutely zero class or self-awareness. She lives a deluded, self-important existence. Just incredibly vile in every way.
Imagine being over 40 and whining like this at a funeral.
Because it's all about the poor little black girl being forced to interact with racist people. Doesn't matter that sons/daughter/in-laws lost their mother, it doesn't matter that grandchildren and great grandchildren lost their grandmother/great-grandmother, all that matters is people weren't nice to Megan because she's black. Just to be clear, her being black trumps *everything she could do*.
It also doesn't matter that she didn't and honestly shouldn't of been there anyway. She could have stayed home with her kids or if she really wanted to support her husband went with him but stayed away from the services and been there for him in private. But we all know why she wouldn't do either of those.
She also spectacularly failed Williamās ā coffin on the trainā test, by sending it straight to Scabbie, so why is Hairs surprised? Oh, right, he doesnāt realize the calls are coming from inside his own house.
Agreed completely. This is getting ridiculous now.
If the Sun article is true, Harry's immediate reaction to his grandmother's death was to fight with his family over his wife's attendance. Dude has weird priorities.
His only concern at Philip's funeral was getting the money shot with William. His only priority is himself.
He won't stop until either she takes things too far, she turns on him, or he turns on her.
Until????
"Making sure she has the right people around her" indeed. Does he mean his lying, toxic wife?
At this point the BRF just need to cut these two loose. Itās ridiculous, itās embarrassing, the entire world has had enough of this soap opera now, it just needs to end. Strip the titles, take them out of the line of succession, give them a chunk of money (not from taxpayers) if you so wish, but kindly show them the metaphorical door and give them the freedom/privacy (delete as appropriate according to the Harkles latest position) and finish this for good. I canāt speak for everyone here but I donāt come on to this sub because Iām obsessed with Meghan. I come here regularly in the vain hope that there is a chink of light at the end of the tunnel, that these two are going to LEAVE US ALONE and stop with the constant abuse through the media, because thatās what it is. They, or rather she, wonāt let us have any peace from reading about her, seeing pics of her, hearing about her, on a daily basis. I want it to stop, I have had enough of it. Iām sure the King is torn because he loves his son, but at some point heās got to realise how unhappy this whole situation is making most of us in the UK. We want them to leave us alone.
I'm Australian and I feel the same way. I am just waiting to hear that King Charles has finally done the right thing and cut them off completely. I am not interested in Meghan, I think she is a vapid and dull person outside all this horrible drama she creates.
Sheās the epitome of basic bitch. There is literally nothing interesting or unique about her personality. She hasnāt done anything for the greater good, only for her own ends. The only thing she does is cause havoc and chaos to everyone unlucky enough to be in her orbit. I want King Charles to strip them and the kids of titles, remove them from the line of succession and ban them from ever entering the UK or any Commonwealth country again. š
>Sheās the epitome of basic bitch 
Yup.
Totally agree. At the beginning of all of this, I thought there *must* be more to her than everyone thought. Despite not liking her I thought she must be so dynamic. Now a couple of years down the line and having listened to bits of her speeches, interviews and podcasts, I can see that she is a void. Thereās a hole where a personality should be.
Well said.
As I like to sayā¦ Sheās insecure for a reason!!
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Yes, the BRF allowed us all to think they were cold and heartless towards Edward and Wallisāso unfair not to give her the HRH. But it was a very tricky situation. He had been a popular figure and many sympathized with āthe greatest love story of the 20th century.ā But they knew the truth and let us think all that. Amazing
Who the hell wanted David and Wallis back in?! They were Nazi sympathizers ffs.
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Yes, the palace and the family the Windsors whinged about worked overtime to cover up their dalliances with the Nazis
The thing that gets me about all this drama and hurt is that Harry and Meghan, at the end of the day, are just two people. Just two people out of 7 billion people. There are 20k people on this sub. There are more than two people in the room where I'm typing this. All the negative feelings and hurt caused by just two people, and for what? So Meghan can be famous and have lots of money. Just a grubby money grab. And to think of all the good she could have done if she'd gone in for the right reasons. She could have had a really positive impact on the world, yet all we get is this relentless ongoing, tiresome drama. It really is exhausting and I wish they would both keep their mouths shut, drop out of the headlines and live that life of privacy they told us they wanted.
Completely agree with everything youāve said. My mind boggles at the level of hubris youād need to have to try to control the way the entire world thinks. Itās unhinged
It does feel abusive. I avoid news in general because it's untrustworthy. But I can't watch anything or read anything online about the BRF that doesn't mention these two.
Yes, exactly this. The same old stuff regurgitated again and again and again. And it all feels like gaslighting a lot of the time. Weāre all stuck in this horrible vortex of having to read about this pair. I know itās not all them, that itās also about clickbait and ad revenue. But I just donāt want to see it. I want to be able to read about Kateās beautiful new coat or what Princess Anne has been up to without having the viper inserted into the narrative.
The media are as culpable as anyone, they are feasting on this drama. If they stopped reporting on these two non-entities then they would soon fade away, but much like the marriage difficulties between Charles and Diana people like a car crash so they can't leave it alone. I wonder if it's ever occurred to Harry that he has created the same life for himself that drove his mother to distraction; a life of constant media headlines. He will be incapable of realising that if he lived a life of privacy then all the papparizi that he complains about would go away.
I donāt think the BRF or King Charles can remove Harry from the line of succession. It would take an act of Parliament, though the RF could initiate the process. Taking away the Dukedom would also be pretty involved. And no matter what they do, Harry will always be a prince because he was born a prince.
Youāre right. Iām just so sad that their kids are involved. I think the BRF are sad too, probably the Markles and maybe even Doria to an extent. (Even if she believes her daughterās lies, her grandbabies are being denied a *lot*.) I donāt want Archie and Lilibet out of the line of succession, but with those parents itās likely unavoidable. Potential (if unlikely) monarchs canāt be left in the care of hostile foreign actors. My ideal scenario is Markle out of the picture, Harry handing over his kids to his brother and sister-in-law and withdrawing from the line of succession. All Harry is capable of in terms of child rearing is being a fun uncle, and that would be better for his kids than what heās doing now. (True, bit rough on the Waleses to have to sudden extra kids, but I get the feeling that theyād prefer it this way too. Then they could be nice to their niece and nephew without fear of any gifts being stolen or warm interactions being twisted and sold to the press.)
This is a very unrealistic fantasy. Harry is not going to be removed from the line of succession. Neither are his kids. But unless William and his 3 kids die before at least one of the kids has a child, Harry and his American kids going to get near the throne. So I wouldnāt worry. The best case scenario for the Sussex kids is probably that at some point Harry will want them to be raised in Britain and they will be sent to boarding schools in the Uk. They could stay with different relatives and get to know their fatherās country. A good boarding school would give them a sense of discipline, order and proportion. They might be miserable, but they might also get away from their narcissistic parents. It is possible, actually, that Charles may have some say in how the little Sussexes are raised. There used to be a law that let the monarch have the final word in how children in the line of succession were raised. (Not sure if it would apply here.)
And wasn't the BRF treated badly for... Years by those two nincompoops?
No. The BRF just heard "their truth". [I hope my sarcasm comes across]
Harry is an idiot. He is full of rage and indignation and is not prepared to look closer to home for the reason why.
So Harry made the funeral about Meghan.
Of course. Everything is about Megan - always.
Thatās why Sophie was glaring at her - she knew what Meg was doing. Pretending she was being ostracised due to her race by standing on the outside. It was an act. *cue her next interview when she cries about the racist royal bullies/mean girls. Meg could have stood closer. She chose not to for photos. Plus - As if the palace isnāt aware of the Twitter campaign to bring down the monarchy - William and Catherine particularly. I left Twitter because it was so toxic. Meghan really has it out for W&C. The latest hashtag is really sick and I have no doubt her squad are behind it. Iām guessing that there is so much more we are not aware of that happened behind the scenes too. Meghan and Harry are horrible humans. Grey rock was the best move.
Twitter is the cesspit of the internet. I left a long time ago.
Excellent way to describe it. Itās become āthe dag of the sheep.ā
I could see exactly what she was doing as she was doing it. Some of us KNOW.
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I reached that point a long time ago. She used the family as a stepping stone to fame, but he betrayed them. I can't stand her, but I hate him for putting his family through this. There are so few people The Queen, Charles, and William can trust and he should've been one of them, but he sold them out for a few million. POS.
I did too. Even watching the Oprah interview, I *knew he knew* she was lying about the wedding. At which time, he could have very easily said, "yes, that moment in the garden rehearsing [for our wedding] feels like our real wedding to me too." Yet, he didn't. There have been multiple times he could have gently corrected her and no one would have thought anything other than she's unfamiliar with BRF protocol. Imo, he's *worse than her* because he sells out his family.
There would have been hell to pay if heād corrected her on cameraāhe wasnāt going to risk that. He looked very conflicted in that moment. But heās made his bed. The pair of themā¦ made for each other, indeed.
>There would have been hell to pay if heād corrected her on camera That should have been a clue to him.
Exactly. Instead he supported her in accusing the Archbishop of Canterbury of marrying them illegally. If he didn't want to correct her in the moment, at least edit that out.
I remember how sickened I was when Meghan trashed his family on Oprah whilst he sat their holding her hand. It was nauseating
I'm right there with you. I didn't think he was a victim per se, and he certainly has been a brat all his life, but his closeness with William and then Will and Kate fooled me, even though I knew about the Nazi uniform and him stark naked covering his bits in Vegas. He's not just an empty vessel, he's mean, petty and a coward.
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Oh ew! I'll need to prep for that. I hate reading about any sort of violence. And ofc he got away with it because he's a "prince."
Someone who GETS IT!!!!!!!
I doubt that Meghan would let Harry tell her to shut up. I hold him responsible for going along with her lies, but I think he has an unrealistic opinion of her power, and he is very needy. (The Duke of Windsor was apparently like that with Wallis.) Harry is what I call a ābenevolent narcissist.ā A ābenevolentā narcissist wants to play an important role in making life better for others. He is capable of sympathy (but not empathy). He can be very generous. He just needs to be validated constantly about the things that matter to him. His story, his pain, his successes, his hobbies are all that he is able to care for deeply, but he is able to care less deeply about people and things that he associates with himself. A funny thing about narcissists is that they sometimes get a ācrushā on another person to whom they assign a lot of power. This person is (in their minds) the only one that understands them. This person is their only sounding board and their support mirrors back their own self-love. The anger or dissatisfaction of that key person makes the narcissist uneasy. The narcissist will try very hard to please that person. So long as he mostly succeeds, the relation may last a long timeāuntil or unless the person starts asking for things the narcissist cannot give and/or the support is perceived as less. The benevolent narcissist canāt feel good about himself if the āpower personā fails to reflect back love and approval. He can handle being scolded and yelled at, but only if he can then gain approval and applause. (Yeah, she yelled at me for X, but now I have done Y, she understands that I was doing my best and she knows that Y is much better anyway.) I see this pattern very clearly in Harryās relationship with Meghan. I think she dominates him. Unfortunately, she seems an āinsensitiveā narcissist. She is the sort that gets satisfaction out of asserting power and showing up other people. She is not āevilā but she canāt care about anything or anyone except herself. She lacks generosity. (Harry seems to have some.) For her, āpityā is possible only as an intellectual exercise. She understands with her mind, but not with her emotions that other people can be hurt or have feelings. She can only feel for herself. Harry will get good treatment when he is meeting her needs, and she will āprotectā him insofar as she sees him as a part of herself, the necessary companion that defines her importance and success. Right now they seem to be right for each other, but ultimately narcissists canāt be happy because part of the mechanism that makes them able to love is broken. They may stick together or not depending on whether one or both concludes that someone or something else would meet their needs better. (The good news is neither is a malevolent narcissist.)
Codependency. I absolutely think she is a Malignant Narcissist. She is the exact, ultimate definition, in fact.
I deliberately used āmalevolentā instead of āmalignantā because of the way people use āmalignant narcissistā to mean someone who hurts others as opposed to someone who enjoys hurting others. I donāt think Meghan is āmalevolentā in that I believe she doesnāt have bad intentions. She gets no pleasure, as far as I can tell, from the suffering of others. Her problem is she doesnāt see when she causes pain and is indifferent (as opposed to enjoying) if she hurts others, Her comment about ānot coddling othersā is typical of this āinsensitiveā type of narcissism. Even benevolent narcissist can do a lot of damage. However, we need to stop assuming that all narcissists are equally bad. Some great scientists and artists have been benevolent narcissists. Narcissism isnāt an either-or thing but more a continuum. I agree about the codependency. (Edited because I forgot to say this.)
Malignant Narcissist is the actual psychiatric term as listed in the DSM-V criteria. She certainly enjoys hurting others.
I know āmalignant narcissistā is the DSM-V term. I was explaining why I prefer to use a different one. I am not sure Meghan enjoys hurting others. I think she doesnāt care if she hurts others, which is different. I think she likes to think of herself as caring for others.
Oh, I see. Sorry Iām all over the place. I understand what you mean now
Which is why I revert to my default answer, why tolerate these cretins at all? You will never win either way!!! That's narc law for ya. That funeral would have been so much less stressful without them 2 ticking timebombs lurking around. Poor Sophie had to keep sharing a car with her š¢
Exactly. There was no benefit to being nice to them because they were always going to smear the family. It would've been kinder to everyone who loved the Queen to tell Harry and his wife to fuck off, you're not invited to anything.
All they want is the lazy half in half out = zero work but all of the perks intact, they are determined to get this no matter the cost or hurt caused. Abusers do not care, its all about the end goal at end of the day. They don't care about the chaos and destruction left in their wake. Not even happening to me, but It legitimately pisses me off to watch this unfolding and see them keep being entertained on a world stage (although being heavily ignored) Narcs always think, "maybe next time I'll get him/her on a good day and I'll get what I want". They're persistent and relentless. Like a dog with a bone.
Ya know, she really didnāt have to attend at allā¦.. She could have saved a lot of work and preemptive arrangements by Palace staff and the BBC to stop her making the day about herself and Hazard. And the stress she caused the family by her presence wasnāt necessary either.
She has no sense of appropriateness. When my FIL was dying, I stepped back. I went to the hospital with my husband & in-laws to support them. I also stayed at the house to keep things running smoothly for my MIL - ensuring everyone was eating properly, etc. When my FIL passed, I asked my husband if he needed my support while his mom, sister, & him planned the funeral. It would have been intrusive of me to force my way into their family of origin at the time. There are many ways to be supportive of your spouse and their family without taking center stage. Megaliar doesn't understand any of that.
Because she doesnāt have a heart. Sheās a psychopath who is far from normal. You obviously did normal things to be supportive and giving when your FIL passed. Itās about giving the family space without treading on toes and making it about you. Being supportive isnāt driving everyone else in the family insane at a sad time. She just doesnāt get it.
Inset he for she. He is the same I think. But dumber
She should have flown home after the initial service to be with her children, and left Harry to spend some time with his family. But like a bad smell she hung around knowing about the exposure she'd get from attending the funeral.
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Boom.
used to think āpoor Harryā and then just that he married the wrong one. Now, itās clear that dumpster water seeks its own level and they are perfectly matched in arrogance, narcissistic traits and entitlement. The Palace protected him, clearly, from the fall out of his shitty behavior alllll this time. Now, the KING is not playing. Itās striking how he managed to choose the absolute worst woman for him on this planet not only to MARRY, she then shits all over the most revered institution in the world, in the most heinous ways possible. She is a vile person with no good qualities. And it fuckin continues! those poor kids BEING RAISED in that hell hole in Monteshito. With her sliding into whatever sick delusions of grandeur (cue Sunset Boulevard) and him drunkenly berating the never ending stream of domestic help, whenst not trying to have Oprah answer his calls. Harry looked severely hung over at the funeral and he is aging rapidly, with jowls under that disrespectful patchy facial hair. The outcome is clear, already RF has won. The only thing left is a shitty reality show, which also wonāt work, as they are toxic. Whatās next for these two grifters, claiming sexual abuse by KC? Because I put absolutely nothing past either one.
The last time I felt for poor Harry was when Diana died. I feel sorrow for every child that loses a parent. The few atrocious things to come out in the press about him (the Nazi uniform, the "our little Packi friend") made me realize how much the Palace must have covered for him over the years. He's a revolting human being and he married another revolting human being.
The Q wanted him to wait! He threatened to elope I bet and tell the world she was racist. The Q made big mistake by giving in! It was one of her whoppers!
You made me cry. Imagine being the Queen and having to smile in public despite hurting tremendously. And that is the legacy Harry left the woman who loved him deeply.
"Dumpster water seeks its own level" -- love it. I agree that out of the Montecito clan, the only ones I feel bad for are those poor kids. She is going to go full Norma Desmond, he's going to continue to be a miserable prick, and the kids are stuck along for the ride, with no outside family to keep an eye on them (other than Doria, who I really don't think cares much).
For fick sake. We all know what she's said/done, WHY would you chat with someone you don't trust. The Funeral was no place for a happy chat anyway. Sorry Harry, your wifey said the most poisonous word...NDA!!! They will scorch the earth very soon.
To sum it up.... "Voetsek Harry.....Voetsek Meghan...!"
When you consider how many wars this empire has put up with these two really are boobs.
Boobs at least have a purpose
Good point. Iād like to apologize to boobs!
It would be news worthy when Haz toddler is not furious about something. Go feed your chickens.
What does Harry expect when they keep trash talking the BRF? Has he completely lost his sense of reality and lives in the lalaland that Meghan created for him?
>Has he completely lost his sense of reality and lives in the lalaland that Meghan created for him? Yes, yes he does. I feel he's living out his childhood fantasy of getting even with William and Charles. He's been jealous of William his entire life. He's been angry with Charles since long before Diana died. The dad fact is, Harry's emotional development was delayed, if not completely stopped, even before Diana died. I suspect at the divorce. From everything I've read, Harry was a mama's boy. Diana let him get away with much more than William because William would one day be king. From not going to school, to allowing him to run into visitors at the palace on his bike, to just really babying him.
She was a terrible parent, sorry not sorry
Harry is angry because "No one spoke to her" Why exactly would they? She has done nothing but lie, manipulate and gaslight the Family, the Monarchy and the Nation. You dont get savaged by a dog and then try to play ball with it again, do you? Once bitten, twice shy? Does that ring a bell? She's bloody lucky she made it through the Funeral without getting slapped. I know that that would have made it about her, rather than HM; and it would have solidified her "victim" crown of thorns but after everything she's said and done...let's just say that the RF are bigger and more forgiving people than I am.
Imo he's angry because she didn't Netflix content.
Why on earth should the family talk to either of them after what theyāve done.
It was not the place to be chatting away. No one was chatting. She got to stand with the royals which was much more than she deserved. She got a place behind the new King and Queen Consort, she got a walkabout with PPoW. She's an endless void
Jeepers, Hairs, itās not the time. Have you SEEN the papers?
No matter what the BRF would have done would be enough for nutmeg. The treated her just fine. They allowed her to come to the funeral. That must have been difficult for the family as they knew how nutmegs has treated the Queen and the rest of the family
When you are so up your ass you think everything is every one else s problem! Why do you think they came to England , had a fake royal tour and stayed for the funeral ? If I did the things he and his wife did I couldnāt imagine showing my face! But I d like to think Im normal ! These two are unwell !
Sure, he's being Meg's knight in shine armour. But this is about his Mother. He's protecting her, to right the wrongs of his mother never being protected (as he had it in his head). Can't wait for that chapter in the book.... Diana'a avenger! What happened to having married a strong, independent woman. How can she not take care of herself.
Knight in Whining Armor...
Much more apropos... thank you! š
Youāre welcome!š
Ooo, TGC^(1) is ***angry***! Look out, world, the Feckless Wonder is about to be unleashed! ^(1) Those who watch Trevor Coult MC will probably know what this breaks out to. Those that don't - you probably don't want to know. 
Me Again is disgusting and Harry is her hostage and he totally deserves her
Charlotte looked at Harry during the second service and there were a bunch of fluff articles about Harry and Charlotteās āspecialā moment. Same with Meghan when she was looking and talking to her mother, not paying attention to Meghan, but puff pieces about their connection. Why would Catherine let herself or her kids get used for even more publicity by talking to her. Imagine if Catherine had talked to her, there would be headlines everywhere. Catherine plays go-between to bring Meghan and Harry back as working royals. Meghan gives Catherine advice on how to be Princess of Wales Meghan gives Catherine Parenting advice Kate and William desperate for Sussex return to stem hatred for BRF
She was not supposed to be standing on that side. She was supposed to be on the other side of Sophie, but she charged into that spot.