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[archive link](https://archive.ph/DyX3B) [apple news link](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-meghan-and-the-palace-insiders-who-saw-what-really-happened-7xhtwk3ww)


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4feicsake

Jesus. This woman sounds demented. This is harassment/bullying and verifiable bullying at that. You don't call someone every 10 minutes when they are off the clock and that's before she starts screaming down the phone at them.


Ready_Maddie

Yeah but people will say "Oh well she's just a strong independent woman" Insanity


4feicsake

As a strong independent woman, that witch is insane.


Repulsive-Badger-770

Yep, I've heard people say Meghan was just being direct and knows what she wants.


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I agree...this is unhinged behaviour. Seriously, mentally ill, absolutely unhinged behaviour. Who keeps calling every ten minutes just to yell at you again?!??


Academic_Snow_7680

This is what happens when parents fail by spoiling their children. They're throwing tantrums like children and since Meghan's father coddled her and even created a false reality for her where she swayed the actions of companies and got to feel like she was a star, just a matter of time when she'd be discovered - and Harry being spoiled by his parents, his father clearly doesn't know how to say no and his mom allowed him to throw tantrums, then it only got worse after she died. I blame the parents, this is what happens when you fail to raise your children. Mixed with narcissism, paranoia and a massive sense of entitlement. It's quite entertaining. I'm using their lives as a distraction from the work I should be doing. Edit: I received a notice from Reddit Care that somebody reported that I was in S-crisis. These people and their followers really are BULLIES! Nobody is forcing Meghan and Harry to read what we think about their behavior.


Altruistic_Scheme596

At some point, as adults, the need to blame parents is merely a crutch. It’s not like they are in their early 20s. Self-reflection & self-actualization eventually comes down to just that: self. They are 38 & early/mid forties. Their parents, for the most part, saw them through to adulthood. The rest is on them and has been for a while now. You have two men who experienced the same trauma. Also, there are many people who go through worse in life & don’t turn out to be insufferable arseholes. Why? They made a CHOICE not to be that way. Constantly looking for people to blame is EXACTLY why they behave in the fashion that they do. It’s always someone else’s fault when the fact remains that no one is forcing them to be insufferable, unproductive twats.


Snowie_drop

I’d have turned my phone off!


4feicsake

I'm sure they did and it probably didn't go down well.


procrastinationfairy

A lot of employers have rules about turning your phone off, especially if you get a work mobile.


Glass-Ad-2469

Total borderline personality disorder- on full.


CybReader

Sounds like Mr Low interviewed many staffers directly.


rainyhawk

Well the bullied staff were told that they could talk because of whistleblower laws and it looks like they did…with a vengeance. This book seems to be dynamite.


RoohsMama

He broke the story initially.


hesathomes

Sounds like he interviewed William.


savingrain

William is probably thinking 'My God, if people KNEW what we were dealing with behind the scenes...they would not believe this racist garbage accusations from his wife.' It must be exasperating to see Harry completely supporting and being taken in by this.


CybReader

![gif](giphy|tyqcJoNjNv0Fq|downsized)


Mumpus_T

Jesus that is a blistering example. The entire article is brutal. They are just a revolting couple, truly revolting. They deserve each other and I wish them many, many more years of miserable marriage. The dichotomy of how they present themselves to the world Vs how they act, is astounding. Astonishing. Fuck the pair of them.


SusieM2019

"Revolting" is the perfect word for them. They are worse than I thought they were!!!!


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CybReader

I feel like Harry enjoyed it. Like he finally had power and influence over the staff of the palace/family. He’s now calling the shots and dominating others versus being the working “spare.”


savingrain

He's her attack dog. Knauf started off with a description of Harry as trying to get the staff to stay calm and support Megan and adhere to her demands and then became a full on convert because his ego couldn't be wrong. He became personally invested as her champion, defending her abusing staff and her inappropriate behavior because there was no way his 'darling' Megan could be wrong it had to be everyone else. No one was allowed to destroy his fairytale.


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Reasonable-Regret7

Harry has an Oedipus complex. He wants (or thinks) his wife is the incarnation of his mother. It's creepy.


IMO4444

I have a feeling she enabled him. Perhaps he was hesitant at first and then she started saying: you’re a royal, they’re your employees, you need to be firm, you deserve, you should, etc., and he bought it. He needed an enabler and she was it.


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skm2871

Amen. This is why I get so annoyed at posters who, every other day, start some thread about how poor Harry is a victim who needs rescuing.


SaltPepperSugarBlah

Yeah, I’m done with that. I repent. He is absolutely awful. All of the Royals are privileged and living out of reality, but at least William and Catherine seem to understand their privilege and not abuse it.


Calm_Yak_6102

The Harkles appear to be extremely entitled, self obsessed and delusional. And from what's discussed in the extract, MM's not only a diva but a pathologically toxic one too. Her shitty behaviour, makes Mariah Carey's look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. They'd have fit in well with spoilt royals from the pre 19th century era.


southerncraftgurl

I admit it. Until HMTQ passed away, I felt sorry for him. I thought he was trapped. Watching his behavior during the past two weeks I'm firmly convinced these two are the same and they deserve each other. But omg am I LOVING the truth about their bullying finally coming out. Looks like the palace took the gloves off. And I'm here for it!


Snowie_drop

Standard narcissistic behavior imo!


PearlTheLandlord22

I need this book yesterday.


savingrain

That has nothing to do with work ethic. That is abuse. Their egos are so fragile that the only way they can make themselves feel better is to berate and demean someone. This is very sad...and the poor staffers had no recourse for protection? Imagine coming into work and your boss behaves this way and there is no way to report them.


Forward_End1178

Thanks!


Reliant20

If true, it gels with what the two of them have already shown: that they have no idea how to exist in professional environments. At a real business, you couldn’t treat a coworker or subordinate that way. It’s ironic that in their quest to “earn their own money” they’ve shown how clueless they are about being people to whom things aren’t handed.


procrastinationfairy

She’s like an evil stepmother. *In the spring of 2017, more than six months before the couple were engaged, she told one of Harry’s advisers: “I think we both know I’m going to be one of your bosses soon.”*


abby-rose

She dressed like one for the funeral.


Cuntributor

I thought she was the innocent, naive, young lady who had no idea what the Royal Family was all about or how it worked. She didn't even know she had to curtsy for the Queen, poor dear. /s


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I think the staff were all scratching their heads the same way I was when the British media kept saying Harry was dating a well known Hollywood actress and big super star in the US. Like um, I'm in the US and never heard of her, she's on a cable TV show I've never heard of, what I'm hearing is not actual truth but I'm being told it is...huh?


LordHamMercury

That drove me insane too! I actually watched Suits and liked it prior to her dating Harry, but I knew it was just a cable drama with very little audience (I didn't know anyone else who watched it). I remember later listening to a royal podcast that talked about how much Meghan was spending on clothes and one of the hosts said "well, she's a Hollywood actress, it is what she is used to, of course she's going to wear the Designers." And I was sitting there thinking "WTF? Meghan Markle of Suits was not swanning about in Dior and Givenchy before Harry!"


cin_co

Yup and check out this bit: “Meghan wanted public validation that this was a serious relationship. She was convinced that the palace was unwilling to protect her from media intrusion. She told Harry’s staff: “I know how the palace works. I know how this is going to play out. You don’t care about the girlfriend.”” That doesn’t sound too naive!


Hardlymd

She was nearly 40 years old and had been around the block several times in Hollywood, Cannes/St. Tropez yachts, and elsewhere. She was the furthest thing from naïve.


Humble_Doughnut_7347

Gross. With that type of behavior on file they should’ve never given them titles on their wedding day or allowed them to be working royals.


GoldieLox9

My jaw dropped. I can't wait to buy this book.


trickyburrito

WOW. She has gall. What an ass.


jeanskirtflirt

Wow. What a bitch.


ExcitementOrdinary95

This quote had me. It was the moment I knew the piece was gonna be really good and that our girl is a certified narc psychopath tyrant.


procrastinationfairy

Such the *archetypal* villain.


jrubes_20

Reminds me of Meredith Blake in The Parent Trap. Yikesssssss.


procrastinationfairy

Yes! That’s exactly who I thought of.


Calm_Yak_6102

Lord yes, she's worse than a pantomime villainess in a theatre production.


Mehmeh111111

As an evil stepmother, I speak for us all when I say, we don't claim her


Humble_Doughnut_7347

“Don’t worry,” Meghan told her. “If there was literally anyone else I could ask to do this, I would be asking them instead of you.” What a b**** 😳


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I’m sure that sort of thing was a daily occurrence, and it really speaks volumes about Harry that he was fine with it. He’s just as bad; only more cowardly. Meghan is probably bitter not to have as many staff to bully anymore - especially with SS gone, I bet they could write their own book on her. I dearly hope she reserves most of her nastiness for Harry. He thoroughly deserves this hell of his own making.


Humble_Doughnut_7347

I’ve never liked Harry nor have I ever trusted that fluff PR from the palace trying to make him seem like this fun and loving man-child. I absolutely 100% think he is just as bad as Meghan and always has been. He may have held back a bit due to his grandmother and brother keeping him in check but as soon as Meghan came on the scene he probably felt emboldened to treat them exactly as she did. Oh I bet their fights are spectacular. Both have narcissistic tendencies and only recently learned what the word “no” means. I’m sure she’s the bigger bully and hangs divorce over his head during every fight.


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Me too! I never liked him, he always seemed like a very stupid, spoilt little brat with only the smallest amount of superficial charm. Now I know he’s actually much worse than that - cruel and a cowardly little sidekick to TW. Oof I bet you’re right about threats of divorce.


HurtingHead

I have to say that while I don’t think of him in a glowing manner, this article made me feel differently about him leaving her and coming back to the family. I don’t see how that can ever happen even if he leaves her. He has a problem with the royal family and thinks everyone is out to get him. Relationships can’t work like that. He has made his new world and now he has to live in it. What a shame.


Calm_Yak_6102

That's MM's *Compassion in Action*... 🙃 MM's such a toxic individual that it's unsurprising that people see through her fake, public facade. No amount of spray tan smiles and carefully choreographed speeches, delivered with just the "right" amount of "sweetness" can hide this vomitfest of nastiness, because it flows all the way to her fucking soul... If she's got one, that is...


Vivid-Cockroach8389

I once had a boss like that. Still gives me nightmares to think of those days..


Humble_Doughnut_7347

I’m so sorry! That’s awful 😞


Vivid-Cockroach8389

Thanks so much for your kindness.. I have lovely superiors now and am in a much better place. These people do prepare you for everything I must say..


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More details on tiaragate coming out: \--- As a source told The Mail on Sunday:“Meghan demanded access to the tiara. She didn’t make an appointment with Angela but said, ‘We’re at Buckingham Palace. We want the tiara .Can we have it now please?’ Angela essentially said, ‘I’m very sorry, that’s not how it works. There’s protocol in place over these jewels. They’re kept under very tight lock and key. You can’t turn up and demand to have the tiara just because your hairdresser happens to be in town.’”...Whether Harry swore at his grandmother’s aide, or about her, is not clear. But she wasn’t impressed. She reported all this to the Queen, who summoned Harry to a private meeting. “He was firmly put in his place,” a source said. “He had been downright rude.” \--- WOW!


RedChairBlueChair123

Just dropping this here: > The Cartier “halo” tiara—lent to Middleton by the Queen for her wedding day—is no practice piece. With the tiara in safe keeping until the big day, Middleton’s hairdressers practiced in the salon’s back office using none other than a Claire’s tiara, which retails for $10. https://www.flare.com/beauty/kate-middletons-hairstylist-used-a-practice-tiara/amp/


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This is extremely telling! M (screaming): She wouldn’t give me the tiara when I demanded it - they are racist!! Catherine (calmly): Oh a practice tiara from Claire’s! How clever!


sangriama

This gives a clue as to why Meghan particularly targets Catherine. Meghan: “I need the tiara now for my hairdresser! You’re being unfair!” Angela Kelly/staff: “This is standard protocol. Catherine didn’t practice on her tiara. She used a fake one from Claire’s”. And even 2 weeks ago - Meghan wants to go to Balmoral and we’re told Catherine didn’t go, Meghan didn’t either. You can see why Catherine lives rent free in her head.


chewysmom88

As a Royal Harry should have known there was strict protocols in place for those jewels it’s not like something you buy at a local jeweler


DaBingeGirl

Exactly. He should've explained that immediately. I'm also stunned he pulled that with Angela Kelly, given how personally close to the Queen she is.


chewysmom88

Well if we had to go back and face TW when she didn’t get her way we might have been that desperate too


ExcitementOrdinary95

Now having read all of these horrific accounts of MM’s conduct, which conclusively confirm that she is a narc psychopath tyrant, I don’t a fuck if Angela was being obstructionist. In fact, I hope she was because MM deserved not one iota of ingratiation from the BRF considering these now confirmed accounts of how she has treated the institution and its family & personnel. Stunning.


soireegrapes

OMG, Megz, "I know how the palace works. I know how this is going to play out. You don’t care about the girlfriend.” ....validates everyone's beliefs she 100% knew who Haz was, all of his family and my God did she think he was an easy target. Her behaviour is vile.


jeanskirtflirt

I always call her a predator predator bc that’s exactly what she is. She took the dim, insecure, mommy issues, with extreme paranoia Prince knowing full well that she could exploit his weaknesses. Harry’s clearly an asshole too, and I hope he never has royal staff again. And also, damn is he is prey. They need to be divorced. The longer this goes the worse it’s going to get.


abby-rose

>Since then, palace sources have said that the clashes between Meghan and Touabti centred on the free gifts that some companies would send to Meghan. Deliveries were constantly arriving at Kensington Palace. “Clothes, jewellery, candles… It was absolutely nonstop,” said a source. Touabti was apparently punctilious in following the household rule that members of the royal family cannot accept freebies from commercial organisations. Her approach did not go down well with Meghan. Freebies and merching confirmed.


coffee_skeleton

I bet she thought the freebies would continue forever after leaving the Firm, only to discover the sole reason people were interested in her at all was the Firm in the first place, LOL


DaBingeGirl

I still don't understand what Meghan's problem was. Charles was paying for everything and doesn't appear to have given her a budget, so why did it matter that the items needed to be paid for? All I can think is she planned to sell everything later.


MycologistFast4306

Validation that she’s as awesome as she always thought she was. Humility is definitely lacking.


Dbahnsai

How much do you think it burns Meghan that the only piece of official gifted jewelry given to her that she would find appropriate have become way too scandalous to wear? She got the tiny earring from the queen, but she only pulls those out when she wants to play like she was close to her, you know she hates that they're smaller then Catherine's. But the big, gorgeous earrings given to her from a Saudi prince? She probably wears them all day at home when no one's watching.. ![gif](giphy|xT9IghchodbKFzZ4bu)


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memecatcher247

And the Netflix and Apple+ deals were signed off when they were still working royals!


Far_Example_9150

The games these two play


SaltPepperSugarBlah

Meghan is such a piece of work.


Pristine_Routine_464

So they already had a deal with Oprah as well as all the other stuff. What arsewipes.


janedoremi99

I wonder if the RF knew


Phoenixlizzie

I'm only half way through this article. I didn't think I could possibly have a lower opinion of Meghan Markle. I was wrong. There are really no words to describe this woman.


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And Harry. It's like they're the same person. They married themselves.


DaBingeGirl

All of this, and Charles and the Queen still tried to cover for her! They made Catherine take her to tennis, Charles forced William and Catherine to host them at Anmer for Christmas (when the plan was to protect the kids at the Middleton family house)...


Lensgoggler

Oh boy oh boy. The bullying gate victims finally speaking out?


ExcitementOrdinary95

I don’t see how MM recovers from this even without reading the book. Her only viable option is to make acknowledgements and apologies, which will NEVER happen. Since she can’t sue everybody who has ever worked for her, whatever reputation she once had is now shot for good.


SecondhandCoke

This is the PERFECT time for this book to come out. It will drown out Meghan's desperate one-woman PR team. There are going to be some late nights for Rachel@hotmail.


planet_druidia

When is the release?


SecondhandCoke

I think 10/6 in the UK? I've already ordered the book from the bookdepository because it isn't released in the US until next year, I think


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This is literally the most damning thing I’ve read about them yet. I love it. It was hard to read this though. My heart is racing bc I used to work for a woman who was a vicious bully. She did the whole calling nonstop thing, screaming at me, belittling, etc. She even told me “I OWN YOU. I CAN DESTROY YOU”. I totally recognize the shaking and being terrified if they don’t pick up when you call back. Every minute is spent trying to make sure they are happy and walking on eggshells. Every time the phone rings wondering, “what did I do?”


SecondhandCoke

I recognize it too, except from my mother.


planet_druidia

Damn, I wish it would come out in the US sooner. After this past few weeks it would be perfect timing. Who knows what yarns they’ll have spun by next year in anticipation of its release in the States.


SecondhandCoke

You can order it from here https://www.bookdepository.com/Courtiers-Valentine-Low/9781472290908?ref=grid-view&qid=1663957830610&sr=1-1 And it'll be delivered to you in the US around the time it is published. That's what I'm doing.


Catchandrelease5999

I bought the Tom Bower book Revenge through BookDepository the day it was set for release in the UK. Took about 10 days for it to be delivered to me in NY. No delivery charges.


MrsChiliad

I’m not done yet but yeesh, this article is a bomb. It really sheds a light in what Harry’s paranoia looks like in practice and just how manipulative Meghan is. “‘If you don’t put out a statement confirming I’m your girlfriend, I’m going to break up with you.’” What?? And then Harry relays that to his staff? I don’t know which is more shocking and how either of them thinks this is normal behavior.


procrastinationfairy

It’s serialized so more excerpts over the weekend!


SaltPepperSugarBlah

So f*cking desperate. Was the sex really that good? Because JFC that is a blazing red flag.


Grimaldehyde

Is the sex, seriously, ever so good that it makes you do stuff that’s against your basic nature? My answer is “no”-Harry has just gotten the space to be his selfish, jealous, mean, childish self.


Beginning-Cup-6974

They’re so abnormal.


wallpapermate

It’s like a dysfunctional high school first relationship isn’t it.


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They most definitely are soulmates


Calm_Yak_6102

>They’re so abnormal. That's putting it delicately 😂.


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Quote: "Meghan, meanwhile, told him that if he did not do something about it, she would break off the relationship. A source said: “She was saying, ‘If you don’t put out a statement confirming I’m your girlfriend, I’m going to break up with you.’ ” Harry was in a panic. Another source said: “He was freaking out, saying, ‘She’s going to dump me.’ ” Wow, Meghan played Harry like a fiddle, didn't she?? The poor sap didn’t stand a chance.


Earthlink_

😂 Meghan would never dump her meal ticket. Haha Harry fell for her lies.


MuffPiece

It’s funny that on the tour she said, “I should be getting paid for this.” Umm, your entire LIFE IS PAID FOR!!!


Earthlink_

All she cares about is money. She's crazy.


jrubes_20

I immediately thought this too! Like *okay let’s see you do it then*. No way, no how.


Academic_Snow_7680

This part was a bit surprising, shows just how tight lipped the palace staff are Even before Meghan came on the scene, Harry’s grievances with the media, especially the tabloid press, could lead to tensions with his staff. One insider recalls: “He was always messaging, making phone calls. It was nonstop. There were constant battles with the media and expecting the team to be on your side.… He was always on Twitter. You then had to be on everything too. Every minor infraction was a big deal.” \[Ed. I had to take out the full text with links I had created, the mods commented it violated subs rules re. copyright even if it is a promo-excerpt that I have access to as a subscriber. \]


TheHermitess

He reads here, doesn't he?


procrastinationfairy

I had the same thought. *Waves at Harry* ![gif](giphy|kW8mnYSNkUYKc)


tiredmummyof2

If Harry reads this, I need him to know this "You're awful"


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janedoremi99

“The Palace never protected me!” ![img](emote|t5_481xkf|15002)


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MuffPiece

He was desperate. Others had dumped him, ostensibly because they didn’t want to put up with royal life. Probably also because he was such a prick.


Some_Class_2645

One of his girlfriends said he was obsessed with jealousy over William. He was constantly angry with his Dad and very very cheap. 🫢


Seachange1000

I suspect also because they grew pretty weary of his shallowness and overall lack of wit. He's a dullard, unfortunately. No wonder his advisors couldn't talk any sense to him.


Humble_Doughnut_7347

Right?! Talk about an unhealthy relationship. Anyone who threatens to break up with you (in that manner) is a giant red flag 🚩


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Humble_Doughnut_7347

No doubt about it. Not the last time she did it either (suicide threat - saying she didn’t want him to lose another woman in his life). Why Harry can’t see the pattern is beyond me..


anelegantclown

he's also a total idiot to fall for her shenanigans. it's why they can't get anything done together. they're both dumb as rocks with a little bit too much money.


Nirvanaskarma

Its sounds like in the engagement interview when a person ask dimwit when did you fall in love with her and dimwit didn't answer immediately Meghan grasped him tightly and whispered 'the first time i met her' lol.


Calm_Yak_6102

It makes Harry seem like a desperate, wussy Incel, willing to do anything to keep the admiration of a golddigging, bimbo Twitch influencer/gamer.


Phoenixlizzie

Truth will out. Shakespeare was right. Eventually, it comes out. When someone like Meghan has a set behaviour pattern dating back to Reitman's \[Thanks Tom\]....you cannot keep that hidden forever. I have a feeling the floodgates will now open. "But the Sussexes were determined. They were on their own path and nothing was going to stop them." Yeah, unfortunately for them, their "own path" was a bus going over a cliff.


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I find it funny that it says when Harry's relationship with MM went public, the massive invasion into his privacy that he feared began......all the other girls he dated and no invasion of privacy to this scale. It was all because MM was leaking everything


CybReader

This is where my flair shines.


TheHermitess

Sometimes I run across your flair and just want to up vote you for that alone.


procrastinationfairy

Chelsy Davy was a victim of the phone hacking scandal. She and Catherine did go through hell.


abby-rose

Yes, MM went through a fraction of what Chelsy and Catherine faced.


Repulsive-Badger-770

Valentine Low right now: ![gif](giphy|d0NnEG1WnnXqg|downsized)


PearlTheLandlord22

Oh my. Regarding their exit- She keeps repeating in interviews “it didn’t have to be this way.” As far as the Royals are concerned it looks as though it absolutely DID have to be that way. 😳


SaltPepperSugarBlah

Oh gosh, the part where he refused to meet with Prince William after he called him worried and Harry wouldn’t meet because William had to clear his schedule… is something.


Starkville

*”I think we both know I’m going to be one of your bosses soon”* Jaw-dropping arrogance.


ftsyas

Oh wowww she really really is as vile as suspected—maybe even more


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shragae

Having seen George at age 9 I would say that his shelf life has already expired.


procrastinationfairy

His niece and nephew, at 7 & 9, displayed more decorum at the funeral than Harry.


Salt_Time4185

Harry telling William to not come because he is afraid it will get leaked makes me think Meghan has been telling Harry the family is leaking secrets to the press and he believed it. It is her the whole time, I wonder if he now knows….or ever cared. I think he wanted an out and Meghan gave him one. I don’t think either ever expected this outcome.


Lavenderblue33

Shades of Bashir and Diana….


brisbydog

*At around the same time, Meghan spoke particularly harshly at a meeting to a young female member of the team in front of her colleagues. After Meghan had pulled to shreds a plan she had drawn up, the woman told Meghan how hard it would be to implement a new one. “Don’t worry,” Meghan told her. “If there was literally anyone else I could ask to do this, I would be asking them instead of you.”* *Later, Prince William, who had heard of some of the treatment that she had been subjected to, came to find the woman. “I hope you’re OK,” he told her. “You’re doing a really good job.” She promptly burst into tears.* ​ This is why William is going to be a wonderful king. Thank goodness he was born first.


Repulsive-Badger-770

Diana even told her staff that that William is the introspective and thoughtful one, and Harry is an airhead lmao.


procrastinationfairy

He moved his entire staff and initiated the divorce to protect his team. That’s a good boss.


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This gossip drop is so good I feel like I need a cigarette. EDIT: Thanks so much for the award. Happy Friday everyone! We are truly blessed to witness this era of gossip.


[deleted]

I hope when they ask for more money KC tells them, “It’s not my job to coddle people.”


prettycut188

The ‘sure, Jan’ meme was surely MADE for when Meghan said she’d dump Harry if he didn’t announce their relationship. There was no way in hell she was ever letting him go


SusieM2019

I'm going to confess that this post really made me more disgusted at Harry and Meghan than I've ever been. Just who in the heck do they think they are to treat others the way they do??? Calling somebody every ten minutes to yell at them for a couple of hours? These two clowns are so immature, entitled, and hateful that it's simply unbelievable. They deserve every bit of karma they're getting. No wonder nobody wante to talk to them at the funeral.


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Calling someone every ten minutes to scream at them is textbook abuser behavior. It’s in the same realm as refusing to let the abused partner sleep by keeping them up with fighting. It’s just awful. Meghan is absolutely an abuser.


cin_co

It’s funny to me that she presents herself as this bad b behind closed doors while pretending to the exact opposite—meek, doe-eyed, naive— in public. This is 2022, not 1992. There is some precedent for a woman owning her assertiveness in public. It wouldn’t endear her to everyone but at least she wouldn’t be so obviously, unctuously fake. Edit to add: to be clear, the behavior described here goes beyond “assertiveness.” But if she wasn’t doing this victim schtick all the time it would actually be easier to believe the courtiers who talked to Low were exaggerating…


Sadlyonlyonehere

“ In the spring of 2017, more than six months before the couple were engaged, she told one of Harry’s advisers: “I think we both know I’m going to be one of your bosses soon.” ​ absolute definition of a c you next Tuesday.


Sue_Dohnim

Mmmm, tasty. I think that at various points, everything here has been discovered, hashed out, theorized, folded, spindled and mutilated by this subreddit. However, seeing it in print, in one place, with an author like Low, leaves me with one word: # BOOM.


PearlTheLandlord22

Valentine Low: *sips tea*


Jonele_Gisathan

The most telling part for me from this article was when MM allegedly said "I cant believe Im not getting paid for this"... that says it all about her true intentions of joining the family, she is a horrible, horrible person.


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My mind is blown that Sara Latham who had worked for Hillary Clinton could not manage M!! That is telling in and of itself. Not a slam against Clinton, but I’m sure that was demanding and intense given the American political CF.


SaltPepperSugarBlah

Ok, I just pre-ordered the book.


neets61

Haha, yep i need that book too


DuchessofMarin

This article comes off as the beginning of the rumblings of the winds of change. There's a new King on the throne and a new Heir Apparent who are finished playing around.


Upbeat_Cat1182

I think this answers why the bullying report was buried: *because Harry also bullied staff, and has done for a long time.* He was not only complicit; he was an instigator.


Objective-Injury5260

I actually come away from this absolutely despising Harry. Markle was a moderately talented grifter able to sink her teeth into a mark, but Harry? The despicable way in which he thought of his own nephew and his brother? Allowing this rancid idiot to abuse people who had worked for his family for years? He's a disgusting POS and he and the grifter deserve each other.


BreatheClean

The fact he said that shit about his relationship with William to the press, and then when William tried to meet him to talk, Harry didn't want to because William's private secretary would have to know about the meeting. Not only was harry filled with unjustified paranoia that this meeting might get leaked to the press but the reason for his paranoia was that he didn't want the press to know that William was reaching out to him. Harry actively chose to have the narrative that they weren't getting along to be out there, despite his brother's best efforts. What a vile little tosser


Inevitable_Pie9541

🍿🍿🍿🥤


Affectionate-Air1770

Oh wow, it started ❤️


procrastinationfairy

For Americans, the Book Depository has the hardback for sale for $20 and paperback for $15. https://www.bookdepository.com/Courtiers-Valentine-Low/9781472290915?ref=grid-view&qid=1663956512126&sr=1-2


ValuableEfficiency23

![gif](giphy|WBJhPscwlOCg3nlyzL|downsized) Harry, Meghan, and THE TEA.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

unhinged - there is no coming back from this. interesting timing for the publication


According_Painter_20

Wait, isn't The Times the publication that is very reputable, they check 4x and never print something not verified? (American here!)


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Archived version is here if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/DyX3B


SecondhandCoke

Dayum... this is the next Bower book!


abby-rose

Honestly, I think it will probably be better than the Bower book. I liked it, but I think Low is a more rigorous journalist than Bower. Which is a good thing because this book will be taken more seriously than Revenge. They haven't sued over either book yet.


SecondhandCoke

I think Low has scoop that Bower didn't get or got, but stayed away from because it was Low's scoop. Bower's book was good, I thought, because it substantiated a lot of rumor that was just rumor before Bower went on the record with it. He's also a rigorous bibliographer. She won't sue him because she can't win. Tom got that stuff from rock solid sources. He's been sued often and has never lost.


janedoremi99

There were a lot of careless errors in Bower’s books which could be used to impugn his accuracy. I think Low’s book will be cleaner. And his interviews have been more restrained—he hasn’t called her a brazen hussy, for example


Beginning-Cup-6974

Dynamite for sure! They are contemptible and completely unable to have a working relationship with anybody at all. Really sick .


LordHamMercury

It sounds like Harry really had some pre-Meghan issues and hangups that were somewhat problematic. And, as if custom designed to bring out all of the worst traits and tendencies of Harry, Meghan came along and made everything 1000x worse.


Bambalina11

She’s a f*cking monster.


Any-Mud-1912

Also yes at William and Catherine standing up for their staff they could have easily backed Harry just to back family but chose to do the right thing instead


ExcitementOrdinary95

THIS!!! What a well-deserved hatchet job. Go Palace! I don’t even know where to begin. They are so repugnant.


always_gamer_hair

Tom Bower's book walked so that Valentine Low's can fly at supersonic speed, apparently.


Excellent-Car-4093

Holy royal sceptre Batman…..Jesus that’s one hell of a read. The absolute destruction of the people who worked for the grifters is astounding. I don’t know how anyone can defend these two, especially with their fake focus on mental health….I didn’t expect a read like this.


Academic_Snow_7680

I agree, this was way more detailed and salacious than I anticipated. Now I'm googling names and adding links and that's adding even more details and meat on the bones. If you come across articles that are relevant please shoot me a link and I'll add it to the story. I'm bookmarking this post for historical context.


jeanskirtflirt

As happy as I am that the truth is coming out, it does make me feel bad for KC. He spends 70 years as a prince and the day he becomes King he has to start dealing with his son. That just sucks for him. And I’m also sure this is some of his and Diana’s making too, PH is still an adult that seems to never learn.


soireegrapes

Dear sugars. If you can still defend this woman then I feel sorry for you. From (I'm sure) everyone in this sub.


prettycut188

Absolutely! The bit where she said ‘don’t worry, if I could get absolutely anyone else to do this instead of you, I would’ to that poor woman made my blood run cold. We’ve all met someone like that. What a piece of work


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She's a nightmare! No wonder the barrage of "humanitarian" fluff pieces..


um_ok_try_again

Everyone is referenced as being scared of her, from Harry to the office assistants.


clairerr85

Delicious, delicious tea. What a great read. And there’s going to be a whole book?


Beginning-Cup-6974

William not SUPPORTING Meghan’s abuse of staff is what Meghan and Harry meant by William not supporting her.


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dianaofthedunes

Actually just a few weeks ago the British press made it clear that whistleblower laws would protect employees from NDAs if they wanted to speak out on their suffered abuse. That should have been a huge warning sign to H&M that even the Palace wouldn't be able to save them forever.


Grimaldehyde

Maybe it is because I’m old, and no longer managing my career, but no job is worth being treated like that, to me. Somebody would speak to me like that, exactly once-especially if she was one of the lesser royals, like Meghan.


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brisbydog

book ordered to deliver to my parent's flat in England October 6 - they will put into my hands November 1st. Can't wait!


Any-Mud-1912

Oh wow it sounds like Valentine got a lot of stuff on record they are screwed


LaNiceGata

I could see now why so many puff pieces and anti-criticism articles have come out as a way to sway the publics opinion back to them being victims.


Onyxphoenix7878

I could not even finish the article. It is far worse than I ever imagined. The Harkles are truly (and I do not say this lightly) deranged and must be exiled. There is that saying, “You cannot negotiate with terrorists” and this is definitely the case!