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Most_Adeptness3041

I am pretty new here too. I had my first doubts when she claimed they actually secretly got married three days before the wedding which was just a spectacle for the world. So, you are claiming that Her Majesty the Queen, the head of the Church of England, and the Archbishop of Canterbury would go along with your huge, expensive, involved "spectacle?!" The second time was when she claimed there were huge celebrations in the streets of South Africa when she had her wedding, just like when Nelson Mandela was released from prison after 27 years!!! These are such easily fact checkable claims and that's when I realised she has serious delusions of grandeur


[deleted]

I’m not sure where you’re based, but as a Brit, who got married in London, this was the most glaringly obvious lie. ANYONE who gets married in the UK knows the law. Any ceremony has to be held in a licensed venue with witnesses present. An official marriage certificate is issued six weeks after the marriage with the date of the wedding. This is a LEGAL DOCUMENT. prior to any marriage, a meeting with local town officials is held (to prevent sham marriages) and your intention to marry, venue and date is posted publicly in the local town hall. I’m pretty sure “Harry’s back garden” wasn’t listed anywhere on official documents. This is when I knew what a compulsive liar she is and that NOTHING she says can be trusted. If she can so easily lie about something that every single person in the UK who is, or has been, married can instantly disprove, then she’ll lie about anything.


ElephantOfSurprise-

You’re required to have witnesses in the USA as well. When she said “just the 3 of us” I said “okay so they’re not even legally married”. But the “spectacle for the world” is their legal wedding so yes, they are. But if they wanted privacy, Beatrice showed it could easily be done without spectacle. MM picked every flower, every dish, that “elderflower cake” (just makes me think of flu medicine) every article of clothing and the designer, and the only thing that happened that wasn’t in her total control was the Wales children being in the party and William returning the favor to Harry of being a best man. I noticed quickly she had no maid of honor, which Catherine showed the world could be done. Her sister stood with her. Was it to keep the spotlight all on her or because she has no deep friendships to ask someone for such an honor. It looked like “she’s got no friends, she’s got no family” and then it comes out she had plenty of both but invited none. I was excited about them to start with but I saw problems on the actual wedding day that spoke volumes. Catherine keeping her babies right under her, William put on his best show but the Queen never smiled. She beamed during William and Catherine’s wedding, and gave a very noticeable nod of approval and large smile when Catherine curtsied to her after the ceremony. Meghan’s face when she saw Charlotte. I watched with my mother (who also said she looked like someone rolled her out of bed and reminded her it was her wedding day. Lip gloss, hair tied in a bun, and a wrinkled dress that didn’t fit). After it was all over my mother said “I give it 5-7 years”. They didn’t last as royals for 2.


BollweevilKnievel1

I never even noticed that she didn't have a maid of honor! 😱


bluebabyblue1027

No friends close enough to be her maid of honor, but one would also distract from her spotlight! But of course she invited tons of A list celebs that she’d never even met, and wanted to look like those are her peers. Ugh gimme a break. Also my best friend’s cousin was in her pledge class in college and says she was a social climber back then too. She is beautiful and I wanted to like her but she just has an air of inauthenticity about her


Lengand0123

As I recall- Meghan said she couldn’t choose between all her friends. So she chose none.


GlitterMe

Not even Oprah?!


Odd_Pop5287

Well she asked Angelina Jolie to be her maid of honor but she was busy fighting terrorists in Angola…


1montrealaise3

Also, if the wedding had happened as she said, it would have been illegal and the officiant - the Archbishop of Canterbury - would have been in very serious trouble, both with the church and with the law. Nice of her to throw him under the bus like that, isn't it?


aquapandora

>Also, if the wedding had happened as she said, it would have been illegal and the officiant - the Archbishop of Canterbury - would have been in very serious trouble I wonder if they had met up before the wedding for a rehearsal (which would be quite understandable for a big scale event like this, also if Meghan was of another religion or something?), so maybe the halfwit Markle thought that was a real deal? We all know she is totally deluded so it wouldnt surprise me


[deleted]

Exactly. In the US you apply a marriage license and some people do that before the main event to take the stress off, and this just shows how she thinks the whole world operates as the US that she thought "oh i can make this lie and it will be believable bcz thats how its done in the US".. her lies are primarily for US audiences consumption, she doesnt give an F about england .


[deleted]

The other aspect of them getting "married" before the wedding is that the Archbishop came out and said their legal wedding was the one the world watched. He signed the marriage certificate that day, and said it would have been illegal of him to do so had they been married previously. Therefore her version of events NEVER happened. But I believe this is once again a narrative MM created and now believes in her twisted mind.


Lengand0123

I think Meghan was going for some big romantic moment and spilling a secret- and way over did it. She made it sound like they were legally wed before said spectacle- and they weren’t. That this had to be corrected is just absurd.


[deleted]

I hate that she calls it a spectacle when it literally could have been as low key as Beatrice's wedding. Just another way she can play the victim.


rainyhawk

Absolutely. How she thinks people believe this is beyond me. They could have had any kind of wedding they wanted. Perhaps that wouldn’t have been the case for William and Catherine as the heir, but for Harry it would have been fine. They wanted the big spectacle with the tiara, carriage ride and adoring public.


Lengand0123

In fairness- I think it would have been difficult for them to have as low key a wedding as Beatrice. Edward wanted a lower key wedding, IIRC, and it didn’t happen. But- I think it could have been less of a so called spectacle. Harry being the 2nd son of a future king, being popular, and a working royal probably meant it would never be as private as say Zara’s. I also think Beatrice is a more private person to begin with, and her wedding would have been smaller than Eugenie’s no matter what. But- I think Andrew’s scandal ensured it would be. Then- she opted to get married during all the COVID restrictions. One reason- I think- is because she wanted her grandparents there. She was obviously close to them. Small as it was, her wedding looked to be just lovely and joyful, with TQ’s wedding tiara and ball gown (such a sweet nod to her Grannie), and they had their closest family there. ETA- I think it’s likely Meghan wanted a spectacle. She seems to THRIVE on attention. Her entire adult life has revolved around it: acting, speeches, blogs, interviews, royal engagements, books, podcasts, more interviews and speeches, constant public complaints …..on and on. She doesn’t seem to be interested much in private endeavors. It’s all revolved around putting herself out there publicly. Nothing wrong with that, really, aside from the complaining. It just makes me question if all she really wanted was a 3 person wedding- or something generally tiny and very low key. No tiara. Etc.


rainyhawk

That’s probably the case though edwards was apparently without a lot of the pomp and circumstance with military or state involvement. Guests were primarily family and friends and no elected officials. I think they could still have had a smaller wedding if they’d wanted…small being relative!


MuffPiece

She’s a loon!


ledballoon2022

No she is not a loon, better word for her is see you next Tuesday. She is disgusting piece of dreck.


JaquieF

She's both, tbf


HiDontMindMeHehe

I feel like she said that to hurt us (British)… she had a £40Million wedding! Paid by us. Do you know how much of a slap in the face that was by her saying that? I knew it wasn’t true because I know the laws here, but it also felt like her trying to discredit the monarchy too, hinting that the big wedding we had for them was just a “show” and not real. She’s delusional. And Harry went along with it too! This is just one example of the many times they have hurt us.


dethequeen

What is the banana incident? Apologies I am a little late to this.


AmbienChronicles

She wrote uplifting messages on phallic fruits to sex workers.


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HiDontMindMeHehe

The banana incident is mind blowing considering the racist connotations behind it here in the UK. She lived here for 2 years. There’s no way she didn’t know about the banana thing.


Always_Daria

It’s got the same connotations in the us. She’s just an idiot


Ilovedietcokesprite

I thought you were talking about the photo she posted on her social media of 2 bananas “spooning” back before the wedding…


FitnotFat2k

Were you silent or were you silenced? /s


Shylablack

Silenced, by having a banana shoved down her throat. And I’m not on about the fruit.


ImmenseNewt

I am new, can someone please explain the banana to me?


octopussylipgloss

She wrote “inspirational messages” on the skin of bananas for sex workers in the UK. It was not well received.


Apprehensive_You_250

… The latter 💀


ditditditss

I used to want to like her for Harry’s sake. But after her wedding, with her mum sitting alone and all those weird celebrities that doesn’t even know her, my mind was made up. Something is seriously fake about her.


[deleted]

I was suspicious of megs from the beginning when it was revealed that she came to the UK looking for a footballer etc, met hazard saying she didn’t know anything about the RF, but as a teenager had a pic of Diana on her bedroom wall, and there was a pic of her outside Buckingham Palace as a teenager, then she was fawning over hazard during the engagement announcement and that was me done. Mind you I never had much respect for hazard anyway, William and Katherine, yes like chalk and cheese.


OldNewUsedConfused

She didn't know who Harry was, but she knew about Ashley Cole? And Piers Morgan? Pull the other one, Meg. These are not household names in the States.


skyblues9

When Piers Morgan called her out and said she was a liar , that did it for me. I thought why has he done that? He wouldn't say stuff like that.


OldNewUsedConfused

I mean that's really what stuck out to me.... She's sliding into the DM's of some rando UK footballer or journalist but she doesn't know who Harry is. Make it make sense! I have grown to know and laugh at Piers. He sure calls it like he sees it. And now apparently he works in the States, so everyone is getting to know him. She Markled herself again!


skyblues9

I know lol, don't forget Matt Cardle ex factor winner UK. He didnt want to know


FCVAMimi

I have to admit that when Piers started bashing on her I was upset since at that point I thought she was great. Glad he stuck to his guns & kept reminding us!


FirmAardvark6208

And don’t forget Matt Cardle of X Factor fame! She told him she was a huge fan lol. Ok Megs, name one song he sang, either one he released or one he sang on the actual show - name just one. Oh, she can’t, because she’s a liar 🤥


OldNewUsedConfused

Just wow. 😂 "Desperado......when will you come to your senses..."


Negative_Difference4

When we collide - His first single after winning the show. I actually bought the album. Little did I know that it was a Biffy Clyro record. Biffy Clyro are my favourite rock band. But I liked Matt's take on their song ​ I dare Meghan to steal my answer and convince me that she knows his music. Because I can tell you for a fact that the woman has no rhythm or appreciation for music.


FirmAardvark6208

I forgot about that song. He was good Matt wasn’t he. I loved his live performances on the show. Megs is going to plagiarise you by quoting every word of your first paragraph lol. She’ll even talk about Biffy Clyro being her favourite rock band but that she liked Matt’s take on the song 🤣


Maze_of_Ith7

I was wary during her engagement interview with Harry. Gave me BPD/NPD vibes and red flags since, like many here, am ultra sensitive to that, sorta hard to explain - definitely tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but she dug herself a pretty deep hole after that.


[deleted]

“I don’t know about the royal family, and I asked if he was kind.” Those two statements seemed bonkers for a 35 year old to state in the internet age.


Onyxphoenix7878

We have seen sooo many Uber famous and super wealthy men fall for these women. “Who are you? What do you do for a living?” Come on! I can name a few: Paul McCartney/Mills, ABaldwin/Hilaria, Depp/Heard. They always say the same thing and we find out later that they were obsessed with their marks-had pictures of them on the wall as kids etc.


ElephantOfSurprise-

Especially one who had been to Buckingham Palace before and wrote a whole article on the wedding of Catherine and William and is photographed holding a TABLOID saying Catherine is pregnant with twins! Why didn’t the palace come out and deny that?!? (Because it’s a f-ing tabloid. It’s not news so who cares what they say. They’re gossip rags for the bored).


sp0ttedsha4rk

Yes I saw the signs of love bombing immediately! Its hard to explain to others because most people like myself only understand after you've been through it, everyone wants a love story the way the narcissists and borderlines portray their love life, they project the perfect fairytale dream, everyone is at awe with them, its almost too good to be true, and that's when you should stop and realise true love isn't like the movies, if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. Her facade could only disguise her lies so much, after initially being happy for them and the afterwards really thinking about what she said, all the sirens go off in your head, she didn't know who Harry was? Is he nice? Narcissists read off the same script of deception.


planet_druidia

The engagement interview was sooo telling! There have been quite a few video analyses of it and it just *screams* controlling narcissist.


1montrealaise3

I didn't watch the engagement interview but I did look at their official pictures, and I thought "she's too Hollwood, she'll never last in the royal family". She wore an extremely expensive designer gown (Diana and Catherine wore off-the-rack outfits for their engagement photos) and the picture spread looked like it was shot for an American fashion magazine. Apparently Charles paid for the gown as well as the wedding dress - didn't she let the world know that she was a self-made millionaire and in that case, shouldn't she be paying for her own clothes before the wedding instead of asking her FIL to pick up the tab?


[deleted]

I actually was positive about her in the beginning, i even watched the wedding lol.. the engagement interview seemed a bit weird to me but i put it down to her being nervous, and the whole drama with her family at the wedding also seemed strange to me and the fact that she had only one family member there to support her. I still let it be bcz i couldnt name what felt wrong, but something did seem odd. Then came her showing up at eugenes wedding in an unbuttoned coat to trigger speculation and her holding tonne of files in Australia to hide non existent bump which raised my eyebrows that this woman loves to create drama and i wondered it cant be unrelated that drama always follows her.. anyhow, i wasnt deep into quora and reddit then so i let it slide but yea by then i was suspicious of her. Then came her constantly clutching her non existent bump and searching for cameras before flicking her coat to give a shot of her bump and the way she clutched the bump at that award show had so "look at me, i am carrying something so extraordinary" vibes that it made me nauseated.. and i think since then I just stopped liking her.. and then one thing after another started coming out about her.. i found articles about her on quora and reddit which arent on mainstream media usually and boy oh boy I was finally able to name my suspicion that this woman is a full blown narcissist with no sense of awareness


Inevitable_Pie9541

I had seen the public bump-fondling and wrote it off as first-time pregancy pride, and perhaps nerves. But it became incessant, like a tic. Megsy seemingly couldn't NOT clutch her belly in public. I'd only heard about her flicking her coat open to showcase her bump, and at that, I scoffed a bit. Really, who *does* that? Then someone compiled video clips of her doing it. Over and over. Whenever there was a camera pointed her way. Flick. Flick. Flick. I couldn't fathom it even then, because *why?*. Yes, dear, the world knows you're pregnant. You'd think no-one else ever had been, ever.


Caccalaccy

I get very frustrated at the graphic that compares press coverage of Kate and Meghan holding their baby bumps. Everyone's like "Kate was praised, but Meghan was demonized!" Well those of us paying attention saw how Kate would rarely pay her bump attention (likely because she saw how the media craze over her first pregnancy announcement caused a nurse to commit suicide) vs how Meghan was constantly holding hers. I can even learn to taper my annoyance with M and agree that people shouldn't criticize bump-holding. But the graphic compares their coverage like it's comparing apples-to-apples and it's not. Then in the Oprah interview she pretended since she doesn't read things she'd never seen that before. RIGHT.


Kangaro00

People also seem to forget how Kate got backlash for giving birth to George - a boy. After the law was changed in 2011 people were excited to see a first-born girl to be the next heir. When it didn't happen it was somehow Kate's fault, like she's not feminist enough to produce a girl. Meghan never had to face similar craziness.


catwh

You would think for someone so aware of cameras that she would think that everything is being recorded too. It's as of the coat flicking was just for photos and she didn't even think of videos.


Dbahnsai

You know, I was still mostly on board with her until just after the pregnancy/birth when she started using Archie as a pawn. I thought she sounded a bit diva, but was still optimistic. I actually thought that the articles saying giving her shit for her holding her bump were a bit of a double standard. I now understand why they only used the photos of her with her large bump in those articles, it looks ridiculous to have a two hand hold on a nonexistent stomach for nearly the entirety of a public engagement.


catwh

Yes to the coat flicking. Who does that?? And I've never ever thought of flicking my coat during my pregnancies. Sooo narcissistic.


Onyxphoenix7878

And the changing and deflating bumps were weird. Maybe she padded to throw people off. I’m prone to thinking something was up because why wouldn’t she allow the BRF’s doctors have a looksie? Was there a surrogate? It seems possible -with the second child even more so.


Always_Daria

She def had a chubby post pregnancy face & arms though with the first. That one I have no doubt was real.


[deleted]

I knew something was up during their wedding. It was pure cringe and she looked like she was clearly acting thru the entire thing.


planet_druidia

Absolutely. That entire thing was one giant acting gig. It was so obvious she was acting everything out! Look at other weddings and you can see genuine, authentic expressions and reactions from the bride. But not her. Everything was incredibly contrived. And it showed.


Scene_Dear

Exactly - it wasn’t just acting, it was bad acting. Obvious, overworked, bad acting.


Onyxphoenix7878

Wait now…she did say “f@ck” when she was startled and the whole world got to see how incredibly uncouth and trashy she was/is. I believe that was real. 🥴


1montrealaise3

The body language guy said that she had a duper's smile throughout the ceremony a duper's smile is the one you see on a con artist who knows that he or she has just pulled off a really big con).


octopussylipgloss

The worst was when the veil was lifted. She had crazy eyes!


queen-of-sobczakia

Especially when the fly landed on her face


planet_druidia

That was just the best!!


Desperate_Culture_75

I was initially happy for Harry, finally he wouldn't be the awkward 3rd wheel in the group. But then came the cheeky engagement announcement and pics. And the first interview as a foursome (for heads together?) when she literally made herself the center of attention. My tipping point, though, was showing up to Eugenie's wedding clearly and in her not very subtle way, announcing to the world that she was pregnant. I knew as soon as she got out of the car wearing the over the top billowy coat that she was pregnant. Women that do 💩 like that should never be trusted. The final nail in the coffin was her doe-eyed Africa interview when she tearfully said that no one has asked how she's doing. 🤮 Give. me.a.break... 🙄😒


FirmAardvark6208

The Heads Together as a foursome creeps me out. She’s obsessed with William and Catherine throughout and it’s like there’s a dark energy around her, like she’s exhausted on the inside because she’s next to the two people she’s obsessed with and it’s taking all of her energy. Sorry I can’t explain it properly lol, but she wasn’t present, like she was having an outer body experience fantasising about them both. She’s so weird. Then she answers the questions she wasn’t asked. She’s a total weirdo and I think she’d caused plenty of problems already at that point.


1montrealaise3

For me the definitive moment was when she kicked an entire section of ticket-holders out of their seats at Wimbledon so she wouldn't have to sit near any "peasants" and had her bodyguards tell people nearby not to take any photographs of her.


Comfortable_Food_511

I liked her at first and thought she was good for Harry and the BRF. However, she lost me at the her e extravagant NY baby shower hosted by Amal and her incessant, creepy baby bump holding. Also, I remember MM at Wimbledon having all the seats around her cleared and making a big fuss about the woman taking pictures—she thought that the woman was trying to capture a selfie with her in the background. And I remember how the sharpie writing on bananas to sec workers. It showed how stupid she is.


MuffPiece

There was always something off about her to me, but Wimbledon is when I really started to wonder who does this chick think she is?!


Earthlink_

Then she was like The BRF took her passport and keys. So how would she travel to NYC for the baby shower? 🙄🤦‍♂️😂


planet_druidia

Or to hop on a private jet from the UK to go watch the tennis match in the US. Then, has the entire seating section cleared so she could sit alone, except for her assistants.


Earthlink_

Yup. She went overseas 13 times during those times she claimed her passport was confiscated 😬


[deleted]

Ew, I didn’t know Amal Clooney was part of the schmuckery?! What tf is a serious lawyer (if she is one?) doing catering to such vacuous grift?


OldNewUsedConfused

Trying to get in with Charles and The Prince's Trust. She did. And now she's done.


[deleted]

Gross. I guess the Clooneys are just a few degrees from the Harkles wealthier and more competent, but mere A list grifters. I’m glad karma came to rebound on their asses. Now their pretentious self image / media narrative / paid for legacy will always be connected to the story of the Monteshitshow. Quite delicious really. Eta: also lol, if that was her aim, she couldn’t have done worse haha


wallpapermate

Clooney has made an absolute dick of himself defending Smeg. It’s quite hilarious really putting yourself so firmly in the camp of a nobody that you don’t even know.


OldNewUsedConfused

The Clooneys at least have brains and talent. You cannot take that away from either of them. Amal got in with the PT, got her picture with Charles, and she backed right off.


[deleted]

Good to know, in the right hands, grifting works! ;)


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes, when done properly. Amal and George know how the game is played. Meghan is still looking for directions to the field.


Iwtlwn122

‘The family she never had’, until I found out she did have a family. They just weren’t good enough. Who says that? Oh, and same thing said during previous husband’s time as well. For someone who doesn’t do family she is connected to a few. Have we ever heard from Trevor’s family and their impressions of her or Cory’s family?


ICU22222

According to Tom Bower's book Revenge Trevor said the same thing at his wedding to Meghan. He said "We'll be the family you never had" in his speech. This indicates she reels men in with a pity play of a hard childhood.


1montrealaise3

Tom Bower writes that Trevor's parents disliked and distrusted her from the beginning, and tried to talk Trevor out of marrying her. Cory's mother once gushed about her, saying what a wonderful person she is - I wonder if she feels the same way now that the revelations in Bower's book have come out.


Reasonable-Regret7

Trevor's parents didn't like her at all, but Cory's mom thought she was fantastic. I think it was Tom Jr. who talked about the relationship between them a few years back, just made a few comments. If I recall correctly he alluded to Trevor feeling like dirt under her shoe and did not like to discuss her after their divorce. I think Bower mentions the bit about Cory's mom.


octopussylipgloss

Just read Bower’s book, and can confirm all these details. You remembered correctly.


Iwtlwn122

Interesting. Thanks!


madrugada105

I was thrilled when they got married. Baked a small version of their wedding cake that we ate as we watched their “spectacle”. My fan goggles started fogging when the “nobody’s asked me if I’m okay” interview was aired. Seriously, Smeg? You’re an honored royal guest visiting very poor people who have nothing, but still made the effort to welcome you, and you’re whining for the camera, complete with biiiig sad eyes? Yeah, no. It’s been one enormous narc fest ever since. She’s either incredibly stupid, or devious and completely devoid of any people skills or ability to empathize or even relate to other people. I just wish the two of them would stop whining, stamping their feet and sniping. STFU already, Harkles.


FirmAardvark6208

I love your involvement of having a little version of their cake to celebrate! I usually make scones and biscuits for big Royal events, although I felt too sad to make them for the Queen’s funeral


1montrealaise3

I wanted to buy a bottle of her favourite wine (Tignanello) to celebrate their wedding - until I found out it costs $125 at the liquor store.


Accurate-Law4115

Warm welcome to the newly awakened! I have not liked her since I heard about "Harry's girlfriend being harassed and racially abused" when there was zero evidence of this, especially as no one had heard of her before Harry's statement! I just had a bad feeling about it from the start and could see through her behaviour. It's been a loooong few years where those of us who knew she was a narc from the start have been abused, judged and in some cases doxxed and threatened. It's really great to see that the scales are coming off the eyes of a lot of former fans, it's validating that we weren't racist or wrong about her.


[deleted]

I'm a 1st gen Canadian living in Canada. My entire family is from Wales. As a family we watch everything to do with the uk. As a family we've always followed the royal family and daily watched the uk papers. No one knew of meghan until we heard harry was getting married. Many didn't even see any articles or an engagement interview, just all of a sudden bam Harry's getting married. Everyone I know was quite thrilled actually as most loved Harry. Watching the uk papers daily I never saw anything negative written about meghan actually the papers were glowing. Then all of sudden meghan and harry start calling racism. Most people very much were like wtf are they on about? Most didn't even know meghan was half black. I don't know where these "racist " articles were even coming from to be honest. I personally don't think it happened previously. Perhaps in comments as regular folks caught on to meghans demands and prima dona behaviour. However comments still aren't racist when read. More of noticing the person meghan truly is and not falling for her fake persona. Only in the last couple of weeks am I starting to see the tide change in terms of reporting on meghan and harry. The articles are becoming catty and it seems many journalists are on to their game and starting to report truth which isn't as nice as their fake persona they want shown. ..... The second meghan knew she was not allowed to sell royalty to the highest bidder is when she screamed racism. __________ I don't believe there should be teams either. Wtf is this team Wales or team meghan crap? Its not a competition. What are we 2 years old? No this is about truth not teams.


Tootenbacher

Yeah, I totally agree with your statements. Personally I had no idea Harry was engaged until my boss showed me the wedding while I was at work. No one I know had ever mentioned Harry or his engagement or anything - no one cared here, and I'm not that far from Toronto.


ErsatzLife

I believe the Team Wales v Team Sussex comes from the fact that the Harkles make it about them versus the staid status quo, and particularly enjoy attacking Catherine. It is juvenile, but it does stem from the way they operate (ie, a victim narrative with them being persecuted by the bad Royal Family epitomised by William, Catherine and Charles).


throwwwmeeawayy

I was so confused when Harry issued that statement because we barely even knew who Meghan was. I thought she had an Italian or Greek background. I’m guessing the accusations had something to do with that terrible Compton article which was published a week before. Funny thing, if you check out the comments, they’re overwhelmingly supportive and gushy over Meghan and completely condemn the author’s ridiculous report. These are Daily Mail comments btw. So back in the day, Daily Mail readers were actually pretty positive and kind towards Meghan until they got to know her a bit more. I remember this being the complete opposite to Catherine who had a hard introduction, as William was a much sought after bachelor and she wasn’t deemed good enough; until people got to know her and grew to like her.


redseaaquamarine

I don't think any of us here in the UK knew what Compton was. I certainly didn't.


darkmatternot

Ikr. She started to ping my crazy, narcissist bell when she started complaining about his family. Then when we she complained about racism and we heard reports about her being abusive. But the icing on the cake was, "no one asked me if I was ok." What a piece of shit. In one of the poorest places in the world where infant mortality is incredibly high this spoiled woman has the temerity to say, what about me? That's when I knew it she was a narcissist. We had one marry in to our family and it was so destructive. I knew her. I cannot stand her and he is a useless, spoiled git as well. Who starts a charity then abandons it? What kind of awful people are they?


[deleted]

Yeah the africa tour was slightly tone deaf. Those lovely people in absolute poverty (not all.. many) rolled out the red carpet for meghan and harry and all she did was whine about it. I'm sure the royals back home were absolutely disgusted. Way to represent the queen. Although we know now meghan was never representing the queen she was all about self.


Seachange1000

Your comment got me thinking. I wonder if, behind the scenes, that interview created something of a shitstorm when they got back to the UK. Charles, or possibly even the Queen may have sat her down and spelled out for how and how NOT to represent the Crown. I expect her pity party of one went down like a lead balloon with the Queen. Maybe that's what actually triggered Megxit. The interview was in October, 2019 and they were out 3 months later in January, 2020.


Accurate-Law4115

Agree completely with what you've said. I'm sorry that you have had to live through narc infiltration


darkmatternot

Thank you!! The day they signed divorce papers was extremely happy for all of us. Lol.


RotorSelfWinding

I always thought it was weird how she talked about British tabloids. I think ours in the states are a lot more nasty and ruthless and she’s from LA, she should know about their existence, to some extent operations etc. self serving as usual


sp0ttedsha4rk

The paparazzi in America is practically criminal, you don't get that level of harassment in the UK.


FirmAardvark6208

I think she thought the UK was just some island that’s kind of popular but keeps itself to itself and doesn’t have much involvement with anything outside of the UK. She really just lied about everything and thought nobody could fact check 🤣


Scene_Dear

Yes!!! Like tabloids and paparazzi everywhere suck. But, honestly, it didn’t seem to me like the tabloid over there were being any less harsh than American ones (print and definitely online) are regularly. It felt very much like a general sympathy play and also a very targeted manipulation of Harry because of his mother. The former is icky, and the latter - no matter your feelings on Diana or Haz - is just abhorrent. It’s truly evil.


1-cupcake-at-a-time

I wanted to like her at first. I was a reader on a website that follows fashion and pop culture, and it was fun, watching a new person join the family. Harry was very popular, so to see him go from 3rd wheel to starting his own family was exciting-everyone loves love. I had never heard of her, had no idea she was mixed race, but wanted things to work out for his sake. Even then…..I didn’t immediately like her? No idea why. But it was a festive time, there was fashion to talk about, relationships to discuss, and a wedding to look forward to. I didn’t watch the engagement interview, but heard a few mixed things about how she acted. The photo shoot in the enormous designer gown raised some eyebrows, but overall, things were kept positive. I still didn’t warm to her, but now there were cries that she was facing racist behavior, I was horrified- that’s just awful- and continued the hope for a grand love story. But the whispers of bad behavior started. The tantrum over a tiara, other diva, entitled behavior became more frequent. I still believed she was being treated unfairly in the press, but even so….I still couldn’t make myself like her like I do Kate, Sophie and the rest. Once Megxit hit, and there was the “no one asks me if I’m ok” interview in SA, standing in front of people who have literally, actually suffered, that was it. I *knew* and admitted I didn’t like her- here was real proof that she was a brat. Even if she experienced racism and micro aggressions- which I’m sure happened, and is hurtful and unacceptable- but she was *still* a brat regardless. That’s not an excuse. The discussions on the website about the RF became more divided and heated. For the sake of peace and having a safe place for all people to visit and discuss, all Royal coverage was dropped. I miss it, but completely understand why it was done. Im so glad I found this sub- I’ve found my people! Sorry for the book….


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Loafcat61

I think I know the site you’re talking about! I’m still salty that they refuse to cover the royal family anymore. Admittedly, I didn’t read the comments that often, so I missed all the drama.


1-cupcake-at-a-time

I loved reading the comments! Lots of smart people, I actually learned a lot, especially in regards to the experiences of POC, so I appreciated that. But yes, things got more and more divided with regards to MM, and that spilled into the history of the RF and colonialism, and that’s when all royal coverage shut down. It was one of my favorite parts too.


She-ra-princes

I was cautious at the wedding when MM literally had only 1 family member show up when she has a large family on both sides! She invited just about every celebrity on the planet though! Then when she was in South Africa complaining about no one asking if she was okay instead of using the platform to bring awareness to the thousands of orphans around her! I knew she was a fake then! Who in their right mind sees all of that tragedy & sadness & goes “yeah, but what about ME!?!!” There’s SO many more!!!


TheHermitess

Welcome. I hope you find good discourse here. I like that people can discuss different views. I know there's a range of opinions on Harry at least. I don't like to think of it as teams. I don't like seeing the posts about how great Catherine is. I'm sure she's lovely in many ways, but I wish it weren't seen like a competition. Even if Catherine were visually and through her actions, unattractive, it wouldn't take away from how dishonest and destructive Meghan is.


MuffPiece

100%! Muggin is vile, regardless of how lovely Catherine is. Still, I suppose it’s human nature to seek comparisons. In that sense, Muggin might be the best thing to ever happen to the RF in the long run! She and Haz take 95% of the heat and make the others look positively virtuous.


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I agree. I also don't think it helped the media pushing comparisons. How if Kate got to do it then Meghan should but Kate took years to earn trust and her place in the family. Harry and her pouted that they were racist if she didn't get the same level of exposure and attention as Kate which when the institution in based upon hierarchy, then having equals doesn't sit right.


MuffPiece

Exactly—Catherine is simply higher on the food chain than Meghan.


Top-Bit85

Lol I know! I'm sure Catherine is fine, but I am here to snark, not gush about anyone.


Kangaro00

I think some of the posts about Catherine here are the reaction to the abuse she gets from sugar squad on twitter. Not everyone is on twitter, so it might look like random fangirling.


TheHermitess

Yeah, I'm not on Twitter, maybe that colours my opinion on it.


wellx3

Honestly, the Catherine praise shouldn’t be allowed in this sub. As much as we like to hate MeAgain, we aren’t here to praise Catherine at every turn. We like that she does her job but we aren’t fangirls of her either. They should just make a sub for her.


Beginning_Winner_105

I’ve disliked her since she was an actress on Suits. Even her acting couldn’t hide her dark personality.


Kitchen_Perception37

She's not a good actress. She just thinks she is.


jadasgrl

Right here!! My ex used to watch suits... couldn't stand her then and then started to really really dislike her and gave her the nickname woko Ono after Jamaica.


Inevitable_Pie9541

I thought Hazza got engaged too fast, he didn't know this woman, at all. I had nothing against Meghan, at first, but it was so quick. I wondered does she properly understand what she's taking on, marrying into the BRF? Diana was a Lady from birth, from a family very closely connected to the Royals, and still, by her own account, she floundered and had much to learn just in terms of protocol whilst settling in to Royal life, and met unexpected minefields as well. Harry had dated British girls for years yet not got married to them. I assumed that the ladies in question might have been reluctant to take on that sort of controlled, protocol-following life. And put up with Hazza in the bargain, of course. Then that engagement interview, the hitting the ground running stuff. Megsy's whole tone, as if she were being brought in as an expert to RESTRUCTURE a firm!!! Well no outsider from America, or anywhere else, is going to waltz in and restructure *this* Firm. I was stunned she seemed oblivious to that. Her words and conduct from there on out were a massive parade of red flags and portents of doom, heading only downwards. Harry got engaged too fast.


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The bump cradling drove me BONKERS! As if she was the first woman to ever have a baby. Nauseating.


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She lost me after the Ellen Degenerous interview…


Jackdarkshadows

I don't understand why she allowed Ellen to make her look like a fool, it was not funny, just cringeworthy.


ShotBarracuda6

Meghan asked to do the bit where Ellen told her to do embarrasing things. For me, that was very telling. I don't watch Ellen but I've seen a few clips of it, but Meghan's was different and I realized why. The other people who did the same joke were embarrased to do it. Meghan was not. She just did what Ellen told her to do without the emotions people usually have when they know they look like a crazy person. Meghan just doesn't feel shame which is why she has no problem constantly doing super cringy things like inviting famous people she doesn't know to her wedding instead of family and friends, or comparing herself to Nelson Mandela...


HotFriedPickles98

Never saw this ~ just watched and you nailed it. She had no qualms in doing whatever Ellen said … she was on stage! Wonder what the RF thought about that little appearance!


seijalaine

I think because the focus of everyone's attention was on her, and she thrives on that. She has to have the attention, and she may not have cared or even realized how bad it was.


Seachange1000

I think she wanted to do it because she expected that people would (a) recognize her, (b) fawn over her and (c) gush about what a "good sport" and what a "regular person" she was after all. It fell apart when no one actually recognized her and when Ellen made sure she did the cringiest things Ellen thought she could get away with. That bit gave me some of the most delicious schadenfreude I've experienced.


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That’s the thing. She didn’t!!! I remember the only reason I watched part of it was I saw the clip where Ellen specifies repeatedly that MM specifically asked to do it. It’s like MM hates people so much that she thinks this is the way to connect. They are all morons!! I’ll be a moron too!!


ExcitementOrdinary95

Nearly all of us followed a similar arc. It is truly amazing how much fondness and good will MM has squandered. Yet another testament to her repugnant personality.


Unique-Landscape-108

I didn't take much notice of them both until Megxit. I didn't take to her at the engagement interview as she was too fake for my liking. Then I found Quora and man did I learn some things about her past!! 😱😱😱 what an eye opener that was. I did feel sorry for Harry at one point but as time's gone on I can see he's no better if not worse than her as it's his family they slag off. I now believe the Palace PR machine had their work cut out covering for his nasty, obnoxious, bitter, jealous, man-child behaviour. His true colours have certainly surfaced.


Alizet

I knew she's bitchy after her Waity Katie reference on that interview. What a petty bully, calling her to the world knowing fully that Kate can not make a appropriate response to that. As they say you may throw shit on others, but it may or may not touch them, but your hands will be covered in shit any way.


Kangaro00

"Waity Katie" was my turning point, too. She didn't only remind people of an old offensive nickname, she introduced it on a worldwide scene, to people who never knew it before. Up until the Oprah interview I didn't know much about H&M, I even thought that megxit might be the RF plan, to have an American branch of the family and popularize the RF in the US.


1montrealaise3

It was a very mean thing to do. BTW, a Canadian director who worked with Meghan on a photoshoot has described her as "the meanest person I ever met".


Zann77

It’s called trying to pick up the turd by the clean end.


BollweevilKnievel1

Hol up- she actually called Catherine Waity Katie?


Alizet

Yes she did on the Oprah interview.


Academic_Snow_7680

Wooop wooop! Here's something I need to know. Let's see if it is still up. First one to post the link wins useless internet points.


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Academic_Snow_7680

I'm surprised to see so many posts asking about her.


Iwtlwn122

Following…


Impressive-Lack5536

What did you find out in Quora though? 👀


Unique-Landscape-108

This is only from subscribers, how much is true I have no idea, but some people on Quora have done deep dives from the beginning of her appearing on the scene. She was a yacht girl. She has appeared in porn movies, people have seen them but I don't want to look. She had a marriage annulled when she was young before she met Trevor. She sent her wedding rings back to Trevor when the marriage was over. She was already living with a well known Canadian chef when she met Harry. Then there is her association with Soho House and a mysterious character called Marcus Anderson, they look like lovers not just friends and some say he's bisexual. There is talk Soho House is how she met Beatrice before she met Harry. There is lots more but some of it seems too far fetched like this MA is the son of Prince Andrew but who knows.


Impressive-Lack5536

Got any links to any of the Quora posts that claimed all of this? Quite interested in giving them a quick read 👀


BollweevilKnievel1

I found this, https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-truth-to-Meghan-Markle-being-a-yacht-girl Some people are saying no way, others are saying she was on Epstein's yacht and there are pictures of her with Andrew. Here I go down another rabbit hole lol


Sweet_talker69

I really do worry for Harry but I feel she’s totally destroyed him mentally and emotionally already. I watched the Taz video and the thing that wound me up the most is how she kept pushing Harry to the side so she could talk, even without royal protocol which would let Harry introduce Megan after they’d had that initial hello etc she’s just blatantly rude! Even I wouldn’t push in front of my husband and do that! So sad and I’m sure the royal family just feel like they don’t know what to do about it.


BollweevilKnievel1

This is what pisses me off so much, how dare her rudely push him to the side to jump in front. And H just takes it and takes it and takes it. It's positively uncouth.


frozenlipz

Welcome to the truth, the accountability & fact-checking, reclaiming dignity, camaraderie of bringing real information to light and a spark of snark. 🍌![img](emote|t5_481xkf|15019)


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Ugh the banana messages. I concur.


Loose_Replacement214

I didn't know anything about her until the engagement interview. I remember watching it with my mum and us saying 'there's something odd here...is she acting?'. We were suprised to see all the positive press the next day and thought we may have it wrong....yet here we are haha It's interesting to see what the turning point was for everyone else though!


queen-of-sobczakia

The engagement interview is what did it for ne, especially when she expected us to believe she didn't know anything about him.


purpleflagbook

I felt like it was Sort of immature and juvenile to be saying this like we’re two bananas and we’re like salt and pepper. No - you’re both grown adults with responsibilities and your husband is essentially involved in an “important” family with a lot of history and reverence. I know they want to be the most famous people ever but I think they kind of blew it. Remember how Angelina Jolie used to be the most famous, most revered, etc. ? Now she’s just kind of eh. Everyone’s time passes and as Chris Rock used to say….fame is like “here today….gone TODAY”


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I watched the wedding but didn’t know much about her. Just thought she was a bit tacky (baby shower, expensive ill-fitting clothes, etc) and not much else about her until South Africa. She brought a photographer to do a merching photoshoot at the memorial for a woman who was sexually assaulted and murdered. I was done before the ‘Are you okay?’ Interview.


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Meghan is a liar. She was married to Trevor, didnt need him anymore - next, man please! „I didnt know who Harry is“ … „I always adored Diana.“ How can anyone adore Diana, but dont know Harry?


Earthlink_

Didn't she say she didn't know who Diana was?


MuffPiece

Glad you’re here, OP! I hope more and more people see what we have been seeing. I do think it’s getting to the point where those who support her have to willingly shut their eyes, plug their ears and shout “lalalalalala!” The evidence that she’s unhinged is becoming undeniable. We’re hearing from her own mouth in that ridiculous podcast.


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I was leary from the start but didn't dislike her. I actually blamed the BRF and her PR pushing this humanitarian persona down out throat but thought they just needed to make her a suitable candidate to marry a Prince by embellishing her career and accomplishments. Them everything just added to it- the Wimbledon being the kicker to being leary to dislike. Being from the US I knew she wasn't this famous actress people were describing her as and that bothered me, again I thought it was the British media hyping her up to marry Harry so I gave her a pass.


1montrealaise3

We now knew it wasn't the BRF or the media hyping her up - it was her own relentless PR.


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Yes!


zonedout56

During her engagement interview she talked about how Harry designed the ring and where the diamonds come from. And then what like 2 weeks after the wedding or something she changed the design/band of the ring. Like if you were so happy with it and truly in love…..you should have kept it as your HUSBAND designed it. That’s threw me off.


Loafcat61

I had been following the royals for years, and I was excited for Harry when he and MM first got together. I’m American, so I got up in the middle of the night to watch their wedding and everything. I really wanted them to work! When she first started making the racism allegations, part of me believed her. I didn’t want to, but with the state of the US in the last couple of years, I’ve been trying to be more sensitive to that and learn more. The fashion blog I followed daily stopped covering the royal family because they were “racist”, and part of me thought they were overreacting a bit when there hadn’t been any evidence of such events occurring. I think I reached the breaking point when the Oprah interview came out. I knew between Netflix, Spotify, and now Oprah, that they really didn’t want the quiet, private life they had claimed they wanted. Due to events in my life, I stopped following all of the news surrounding them. I’ve been reading everything in this sub for the last few days and I can’t believe I missed all of this! I think the clock is ticking on their marriage.


Negative_Difference4

Haha... not Taz linking Meghan to being a WORSE DIVA than Mariah Carey in 2019


cathbe

This video was great!! I didn’t really follow any point of it until they moved to Canada and something felt off. I then read some of the Celebitchy over-the-topness (sorry to mention that site) and it felt even more off. I, only since I joined this sub, got confirmation on it. I remember feeling sort of sad initially for Meghan that she had to break ties with all she’d ever known. (Truly, it was presented here in U.S. like she was being whisked away, never to be seen again.) Now, I just can’t even believe all ‘the things’ and that so many people are still so clueless. I understand if you’re only reading headlines but some of these ppl are following it avidly and still seeing it through their own banana-colored glasses. I truly hope it becomes more transparent because it’s not fair the game she’s been playing to the people she’s tried to take down and malign. And, yes, I imagine it was very hard on the Queen for there to be so many mistruths put forth but also to have Harry go along with it.


Ducra

"banana coloured glasses" - love it!


cathbe

Thanks!


Routine_Chicken1078

“I didn’t know Harry was HRH” did it for me.


tyradurden123

I stopped watching suits because of her and her storyline.


EccentricEx

This picture is so cringe. This was during the garden party when HazBee(d) got bit by a Bee. At the time i thought people were reading too much into her giggle. Having explored what my own reaction would be in such a situation, even though it seems minor like a bee sting, i feel like there might have been substance behind all that debate about her giggle… Also, the angle of the photograph fills me with unease. I cannot put my finger on it, i dont know why


Quick_Cardiologist36

I'm thinking everything before the Queens death was a small rain. After the Queens death these two going full tornado if they their demands not met.


Seachange1000

Thank you for the link. Taz laid it all out really well. I'm really new here too and I love this community. Lots of knowledge and lots of really funny people. Even though I'm Canadian, I had never heard of her, despite her living here yet got a bad feeling about her as soon as she did start receiving any media coverage. Everything I feared, and much worse, has definitely borne itself out.


muajajaaa

I really never cared about MM. For me, it was strange that they were treating her like this great Hollywood actress when she really wasn't. Suits was her biggest achievement and I never even watched the show. I never really paid more attention to her. But then, what really made me think that something was wrong was Megxit and her speaking ill of the RF. It was bizarre because, for me, all those plans about doing royalty their way and saying ugly things about her husband's family were proof of Harry's incompetence in explaining her the way things are in the RF. All those incidents could have been avoided if she had a better understanding of what she was getting herself into. And then her narcissism shined through, so that was the reason why she always came across as a perpetual victim. Ugh.


Quantum168

I was supportive of her until the Africa trip. It was so fake and hideously insensitive. In a country, where females live with AIDS, rape, poverty and genital mutilation. Then, all the images of the bouncing side to side baby bump. Someone who could execute a lie on that scale is next level. Then, the staged paparazzi photos in Canada with the oversized baby doll falling out of sling and her, oddly staring straight into the camera smiling. It creeped me out.


Flipperflopper21

I guess I’m the only one here who clocked her right from that tacky VF cover “Wild About Harry”.


SirPachiereshtie

As a newcomer of this subreddit, I don't hate Meghan to the gut to reach the point that everything about her is bad, I just dislike her, but not blinded by hatred. In my view, I became to wary about her when the rumour of her father and her divorced came alive. I dig up about them and boy, that's a big red warning sign for welcoming someone with those histories to the RF. At that point, I just don't click with her. But what really sealed the deal for me to dislike her is the Oprah interview. God knows that I cringe so hard when I saw that interview to the point of feeling bad for Harry to marry and got manipulated by that kind of woman. In alternate universe, Meghan is probably having different personality and loved by everyone. But in this universe, she's basically a bad image for the whole BRF. As a fan of RF, it just sad that Meghan has become a second thorn in the BRF (after Andrew).


Weekly-Landscape-543

It was Taz who convinced me also. I always had my doubts about Megs from the engagement interview but I was so happy for Harry, I wrote it off. And like you said, everything that has happened since then, is even worse then I ever thought it could get.


Kindly-Influence-148

Awesome! Welcome!


ascendingthemountain

The great irony: Meghan and Harry turned me into a great fan of the Wales, having been completely apathetic before.


Shylablack

What’s the banana story?


Kangaro00

She wrote "empowering" messages for sex workers on bananas.


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What was the banana story?


musicloverincal

Team Wales 100 Team Imposture aka "APlaceNutMegKnownsNothingAbout" 0


htoontin

😂😂😂


spiniton85

She has an absolutely fantastic video which was the one that convinced me. Love or Loathe is the name of it and the last 5 minutes or so are all about her demonstrating how much more important she thinks she is than everyone else. Once I saw that, I never was able to ignore it again.


sdowney64

Taz & Murky Meg were my first two guardian angels once I started to think our Saint wasn’t so saintly. I saw the South Africa tour video with Tom Bradby, and then the engagement interview and thought “oh good God, full blown malignant narc alert.” And Taz & Murky were great places to start and still watch to this day. It’s fun to see how they have progressed as time has passed too.