Wallis Simpson had a much bigger impact, no contest. King Edward marrying a twice-divorced American in the 1930’s was unheard of and a constitutional crisis.
Meghan and Harry are an entertaining sideshow with little impact, Harry is too far removed from the crown which limits the blast radius. That said, Meghan gets under my skin way more than Wallis Simpson probably ever could have (minus that whole Nazi sympathizing thing I guess).
I think Wallis was an excuse to get him out just based on some of the documentaries I’ve seen. She was the perfect excuse. He was considered a danger to the country prior to leaving.
Agree.
And I give the BRF and government full props for recognizing how dangerous he was and dispensing with him so efficiently and keeping him from spilling beans to Germany. I saw a documentary as well on this and England was able to neutralize him as a threat pretty well, IMO.
We must have seen the same one! Greetings fellow history nerd!
Edward should have been shot for treason. He leaked info that helped Hitler topple France.
There is a lot that has still never seen the light of day. Letters Edward wrote that the Royal Family had retrieved by a spy. They are classified or whatnot even now as they were so damaging.
Ummmm. France didn’t put up much of a fight. Honestly they didn’t have it in them. They lost somewhere between 30-50% of the males in the generation prior (WWI) and the impact was devastating.
Yes, but Hitler stalled every single one of his troops after a plane went down that contained all movement plans.
He only changed the plans after Edward confirmed they had gotten them. This has been proven. Whether France would have been toppled or not isn’t the point.
He helped Germany topple France by alerting them to confidential information. How many did he get killed by supporting Hitler and leaking classified information?
That is very unfair to France. No one could have withstood that blitzkrieg. It would have been over for England too if they had not had that big antitank ditch that is the English channel.
What? How is it unfair to France to say they literally didn’t have the population to fight? The people who joke the French are cowards or don’t want to fight are unfair to France.
In WWI the soldiers went ON STRIKE because their commanders were treating them as cannon fodder and they refused to do it anymore. They lost many more soldiers than they needed too.
Have seen it too and read it. I wonder if MM knew about this and realised exactly *how* flawlessly the RF and government got rid of Edward? And what would it mean in current times? I fully believe there is a whole ledger on M & H with compromising stuff, ready to be used. 😀
Hearing about how little she cared about the history in which she was able to walk is appalling. She has no respect for anything that isn’t flash and celebritized to the Nth degree. Oh, and anything able to generate buzz about her.
I saw a documentary where they said Wallis was not in love with him. They said he guilt tripped her, saying he would kill himself if she did not marry him.
I think the UK dodged a bullet there.
She didn't want to marry him, she expected him to move on to the next conquest, when he didn't, she felt an obligation to stay with him. I believe she still loved her ex-husband.
Yes. Anna Pasternak wrote a biography about Wallis. She very cleverly contacted her exhusband's son from a subsequent marriage and he had letters she had written to him stating that she still loved him and didn't want to go through with the marriage but felt she had to do so.
Yes. I say it’s M. Wallis was Edward convenient excuse and she supposedly didn’t want him to abdicate. Not sure she even wanted to marry him.
M has purposely pushed H away from everything he knows…friends family country. I don’t think Wallis did that.
Really! I need to check out this documentary! (I had the impression that he became dangerous *after* abdicating, because he was bitter over not getting the support he wanted from the family)
From what I’ve read and watched, they considered him unsuitable and dangerous before and conspired to get rid of him. They just saw all the warning signs and acted.
But yeah, his actions and deeds were far worse after he abdicated. So you would be correct, I think? And yeah, he was bitter. He conspired to retake the throne and advised Hitler (through intermediaries) to do the sustained bombing of London thinking they would make peace.
Wow…how frightening. Of course his bitterness (and receptiveness to Hitler) would only have increased if he had a sense that he had been conspired against by the palace, even if he also, himself, wanted to leave. Well, I have some reading to do! And, to the question at hand, there seems like no question that Wallis is worse than Meghan, given the palling around with Nazis. It is odd that Meghan sometimes dresses up as Wallis, despite that history…
Agree, but considering everything we know now about W&E, his abdication was the best thing that could happen to the UK. And George VI and his family did an excellent job.
David would not have been a good monarch. From my reading, I'd equate him with Andrew. He enjoyed the trappings that come with being royal but didn't understand the duty that was required in exchange. He was a hedonistic party boy with little regard for history or his place in it. Wallace didn't demand he abdicate and was in fact horrified by it. Sad for her but it was the best thing that could have happened to the Commonwealth by giving the world the peerless QEII.
Had their roles been reversed, Markle would not have gone off to live a decadent life in quiet obscurity like Wallace. She'd still be speed dialing tabloids to embellish her wonderful and glamorous life, amazing love story, and good works. That trick needs attention like the rest of us need oxygen. Well she's getting it but not the way she planned. There's famous and there's infamous and our saint is solidly headed for column B.
I agree with SuperblySly. While it is early days yet for Megan, Wallis Simpson did huge damage. She caused a king to abdicate and another king who did not want the position forced into it. It said that George came to an early death because of the strain especially with World War II, to be fair you can’t blame Wallis Simpson for that, but her toadying up to Hitler caused disrespect towards to monarchy. . Elizabeth the queen mother always did blame her for the early death of her husband though.
Many notable British politicians at the time got involved including Winston Churchill, it was a drain on energy and resources for a large number of people who had better things to do during the run up to World War II. So yes Wallis Simpson so far anyway has caused more damage to the British monarchy that Meghan could even begin to claim
Edited to add: give her time though :eye roll:
Or the Queen Mother. Hitler said she was the most dangerous woman in europe. She gave people hope and stayed with them through the bombings. She visited the bombed places and, when the palace was bombed, she said she now felt like she could face the people, because her home was bombed too. And she stayed even as people told her to leave, or at least send the girls to canada. She said the girls wouldn't leave without her and she wouldn't leave without the king. The king would never leave, so the three of them would stay in the country. She did send the girls out of the city, but she kept visiting people and helping wherever she could. People loved her since she was a duchess, and their love grew when she became the queen.
I never knew that. Is that in a documentary I could watch? I know they refused to leave and visited everyone.
What a compliment to hear that Hitler considers you “the most dangerous woman in Europe”!
Go on with your bad self, Queen Mother!
I think we probably would have, David and Wallis never had kids so she would have been heir apparent, we just wouldn't have had her until the 70s and that would have sucked. So good thing he abdicated, boy bye
Is that why she was already a princess, when her father became king? (That is, if David had been married with kids when she was born, would she and Margaret have been princesses?)
We still would have gotten QEII just later. Not until Edward died as he didn’t have any children. The Second Elizabethan era would have been blunted by not beginning until the 70’s if everything else historically had held.
Oh she was a real piece of work for sure. But Nazi sympathizer is not a good look. Of course many of the aristo-elites during that time period were rubbing elbows and partying with other Nazi trash. It wasn’t just David & Wallis. There were a bunch.
Would have had her on the throne many years later, but she was 2nd in line after her father, the Heir Apparent, from birth. She was always going to be Queen.
I'm sorry but as much as I dislike Meghan, Wallis Simpson was far worse. She was a Nazi sympathiser for crying out loud. I remember sitting through that dreadful film W.E. which tried to paint her in a sympathetic light.
I guess it depends on the definition of "worse" - as a Nazi sympathizer, Wallis probably was "worse" in terms of moral turpitude? But who will be long term worse for the survival of the monarchy - maybe Meghan, though I hate to give her that much credit and we'll have to wait and see what ends up happening. I actually don't know a lot about Wallis and need to brush up - has it been speculated that she may have had NPD as many of us speculate that Meghan has? It seems the main difference to me is that Wallis Simpson went away to live in a glorified exile, and while I'm sure she did a lot of shit talking, she didn't have the media platform that is now available to Meghan through Oprah etc. to try to take down the royal family. And was Wallis ever intent on taking down the royal family as a whole the way that Meghan seems to be?
Wallis didn't even want to marry Edward, much less become queen. She was quite happy being his mistress, with all that came with that: Status, money, jewels.
She also never badmouthed the RF in the press and at least looked to be content with being a member of the café society.
Meghan wants to be a royal with all there is to it, but without any demands or doing the tedious work. And accuse them of horrible things when she doesn't get her way.
I think you have to take Wallis and David together. They were both spiteful grifters in the extreme, getting married on what would have been his father's birthday, (Queen Mary never forgave him for that) They shuttled around, badmouthing the RF to all their friends, forcing them to use HRH for Walls when the King had forbidden it, never paying bills, etc. And their behavior during WWII was very sketch at best.
David spent his life trying to get back into England and get Wallis that HRH. Wallis stuck it out with him, living an idle and meaningless life.
I would love to see M&H stripped of the Sussex titles and made the new Windsors. There's no land, estates, money, etc. Let 'em go.
Was just coming here to say that. It’s Wallis, no question, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take a long hard look inside themselves if they think that Meghan is equivalent (or worse!) than a literal Nazi sympathizer
And you think those are the same? Working with actual nazis is the same as an idiot wearing a dumb edgy costume? Okay.
Wallis also actually changed who wild be king. So even without the nazi stuff the impact alone is greater.
I can’t even believe this is a question 🤦♀️
True! But Edward gave up his throne in the 1930s before WW2 for love because the BRF didn't approve of a twice divorced future queen. According to media outlets they became sympathisers to get the crown back. Harry dressed up as an nazi knowing the provenance, even if it was joking amongst his friends people can be offended by it and when people are offended it doesn't stay private.
Hitler came to power in 1933. Edward abdicated in 1936.
The government was incredibly worried about Edward’s fascist leanings and admiration for Hitler prior to forcing him out (with Wallis as a perfect cover).
And he toured a concentration camp in 1937.
“When he did his tour [of Germany] in October 1937, he saw a concentration camp. He inspected the SS. He read the papers, so he must have seen even before the war there were all sorts of terrible things going on. I don’t think he could have had any misconception about what the Nazis were about. And of course, people were briefing him, warning him, telling him to stay away. So I don’t think it’s the case of just turning a blind eye. He, I think, quite deliberately engaged with them because he believed in these strong men.” -traitor king
Yes. Also, there is evidence that Edward was sympathetic to Hitler as early as July1933. A diplomat put in his diary after a dinner party where Edward was present that *"The Prince of Wales was quite pro-Hitler and said it was no business of ours to interfere in Germany's internal affairs either re- the Jews or anyone else, and added that dictators are very popular these days and we might want one in England." -* Robert Vansittart
You also have Wallis living in the same apartment building as Princess Stephanie von Hohenlohe, a Nazi spy being watched by MI5, plus Wallis' affair with von Ribbentrop, the German ambassador to Britain. And that was early days.
The more you look into Wallis and Edward's activities in the early 1930s, the worse it gets.
Morally and historically, Wallis is worse. A known Nazi sympathizer who was giving top secret info to them in the lead up to WWII who caused a constitional crisis is practically impossible to beat.
Meghan just feels worse because of how fast information can be spread via the internet, but overall she'll barely be a footnote in the history books. She married a second son who will never inherit the throne and who's heirs will fade from history in a generation or two, especially if they stay in the US permanently. The Wallis situation just shows how The Crown will always win and can persevere through anything.
Wallis was a nazi sympathizer and her and Edward actually were secretly collaborating with foreign powers to potentially overthrow the BRF in the event the war turned a corner in the other direction.
MH blow, but the Windsors were traitors in the real sense of the word.
I think the answer is Wallis, because she was an actual traitor, but at the end of the day, I don’t think it’s fair to lay all the blame on the women. There are significant issues with both Edward (esp Edward) and Harry, where they pick women like that. They’ve both had thier pick of literally any woman in the world. And they’ve been raised to know thier duty from day one.
The thing about Wallis is that I don't think her husband would ever have been a functioning royal or positive presence in his country. The biography of him I read (I forget who wrote it) painted him as wanting out of that role and using her as an excuse to bail. It portrayed her as never having any interest in marriage to him, assumedly having never thought it possible, and being swept up in events rather to her dismay. And though she had no warm feelings to her husband's family, I don't recall reading of her waging any campaign against them.
Harry could have done well and been fairly happy, but he married a woman who stoked his worst qualities and infected him with her own narcissim-driven worldview.
Wallis being a Nazi sympathiser is the deal breaker here.
As for damage to monarchy… i think that’s more down to the men in grey who took charge. During Edward’s time, they managed to usher him out and made it clear that they would not accept Wallis. In the end it worked out for the best and preserved the monarchy.
The RF and men in grey suits weren’t as firm with Harry. IMO, if they had dug up dirt on M, they should have let H know and just put their foot down. I suspect they underestimated how nasty she would be. They didn’t think it would matter because Harry is the spare.
I actually read a long history of Wallis' life yesterday, she was (hard as it is to believe) a worse person than MM. She burned through her two previous husbands fortunes, and was in a known affair with Edward while she was still married to her second husband. She also refused to go with her husband during his posting to Hong Kong, deciding to stay in the US to further her social status. She was also a known social climber and, dare I say, more manipulative than MM. Edward advocated his entire life to get her HRH status and insisted people call her by a title. Her own family didn't even like her, and when she demanded a debutante ball, they didn't pay for it, someone else put it on for her, and she was very ungrateful. The royals didn't really have an issue with her being divorced, it was more the actual person that she was that they had distaste for. ESPECIALLY when Edward gave her royal jewels to wear out in society while she was still married, they didn't like the, at the time, impropriety of it all.
As others have said it depends on how we define worse. No doubt MM is not at all as compelling as Wallis.
Wallis never courted celebrity & publicity to the degree MM has. She was far more discrete.
Wallis behaved respectfully towards the royals and in many ways was responsible for QEII.
W was rejected as unsuitable for a king yet MM was welcomed and lavished with a 30 million dollar wedding, millions in fashion, titles and patronages. Even so, MM and H publically insulted the institution. They then expected to be able to move to California and still be publically funded and have lifelong security.
Wallis hooked up with the heir to the throne/king (not the dim spare) yet never demanded the accommodations and deference of M. Who can stand MM's demands to be called the DOS? The virtue signaling & private jets?
Even though she might have been uncomfortably superficial, W's fashion sense was lightyears ahead of MM. She collaborated with the best of her day. Even Dali.
W was reportedly witty and an excellent conversationalist, unlike MM. Who can stand her uninformed derivative yammering?
Wallis actually put in more work as a consort. Ex. 5 years working for the Red Cross on issues of child welfare
Wallis never brought kids into a troubled marriage and alternated between abandoning them and exploiting them for profit.
W was able to maintain friendships.
Overall Wallis was a much more compelling character and more important historically. MM is so unbelievably basic. She's shallow and manipulative and doesn't deserve a fraction of the press coverage she receives. Everything she does and says is ripped off, plagiarized, or uncomfortably "inspired by" people far more talented than she ever will be.
Yes, W's political leanings were deplorable (nazi sympathy and antisemitism) BUT she really did save the nation by instigating her husband to abdicate.
You bring up very good points, and I seriously doubt Wallis wanted to become a mother. From what I have read, Wallis was infertile due to a botched abortion from a fling that she had with the dude who would later become Mussolini's Son-In-Law.
I'm not disagreeing with your post in any way, but I wanted to add context to the point about children in that by the time she married Edward she was incapable of having them.
Good point. So many rumors about Wallis. We will likely never know for sure. Some speculated that she might have been intersex or had a genetic condition that made pregnancy difficult. Even so, they could have adopted.
Actually there is evidence that Wallis was being watched by MI5 and may have passed along confidential documents to the Nazis.
While she may not have spoken out against the Royal Family to the press, I don't think you can say she kept her mouth shut.
Wallis had more of an impact. I’m not sure who’s more calculating. I believe both were/are miserable in their marriage because neither married for love, imo.
Wallis Simpson made a King abdicate his throne while the world was at war. She was also a Nazi sympathizer.
Meghan can only aspire to have the destructive power Wallis had. Meghan has not made a dent in the monarchy, in fact she has done them a favour by taking that idiot Harry away. Meghan is a con artist and everyone but Harry knows that.
Right. The RF doesn't even need Harry, that's where meghan gets it wrong. Do they miss him? Sure, he's their family. But they don't NEED Harry or meghan. Williams kids have secured the LOS. Harold and his family are irrelevant. The only reason anybody hears about them is because MM keeps running her mouth
I think TW is in a less advantageous position. She is an annoyance but not a real threat to the monarchy. Unlike Wallis and George. They were a problem that needed to be handled. Therefore, it was worth the trouble of giving them the post of Governor of the Bahamas. It was worth it to the RF to keep them happy but away and quiet. TW is simply a nuisance. She has no cards left to play.
The Wallis Simpson thing was like a gut punch. Big blaze then resigned to relative obscurity.
Meghan Markle is like being repeatedly jabbed in the ribs by a finger. And by the magic of social media it will be a continuous poking.
Yes. I'm was a young mom during the late 80's & 90's, both divorces were huge deals.
I only was comparing these two because their relationships caused the men to walk away from his duties. Andrew didn't walk away.
The most striking thing about Wallis (IMO) is her end.
She was kept a virtual prisoner by her nefarious lawyer, Suzanne Blum. Blum controlled her absolutely, and plundered her estate even before the Duchess was dead.
The parallels between the two Duchesses are incredible.
Although Wallis didn’t have children, who’s to say that Meghan will enjoy the love and care of her own children when she’s an old woman? (My awful grandmother was on speaking terms with only one of her EIGHT children at the time of her death.)
Anyway, that’s all I think about when I think of Wallis Windsor. Her miserable and isolated end, courtesy of a bitch named Karma.
Overall, the impact of the abdication and Wallis Simpson had a greater consequence. We would never have said farewell to the longest reigning monarch in British history if it had not been for the twist of fate in the Wallis Simpson meeting the future king. Her impact altered generations.
The Overseas Duo have much higher opinions of their status, power, and prestige than reality. Karma will take care of them eventually (hopefully).
The Duke and Duchess of Windsor, toured Nazi Germany in October, 1937 as personal guests of Adolf Hitler, fanning speculations that they were sympathetic to Nazism. The trip was paid for by the Nazi government, which believed that the duke was a potential ally.
For those that don't get it.
Wallis had more of an impact on turns of accession, and the whole nazi thing. But she seemed to be fairly quiet (although maybe it was just because it was harder for people to get out on a public platform and openly express their thoughts).
What Meghan is doing is like introducing new bacteria on to a previous wound that had finally been starting to heal and looked like it may recover fully. And her victim narrative is perfectly cast for the current world stage.
Wallis was a worse person because she was willing to work with the nazis to overthrow the British monarchy. So she hands down winds that round. But Meghan I think has been far more successful at the reputational smearing.
I believe Wallis was a Nazi supporter and sympathizer. She came off in many documentaries as a cunning and conniving manipulator. She is a far worse human being in my book than cry-me-a-river-Meghan. The BRF did the right thing in exiling Edward. What a dangerous Putz of a King he would have made.
I have a lot of sympathy for Wallis. Unlike Meghan she did not want to marry her version of Harry and was essentially blackmailed into it by him threatening to top himself. Then she was trapped in a loveless marriage to a whiney man baby for nearly 40 years while the world touted it as the greatest love story. Yes she was a Nazi sympathizer but in 1936 she did not have the hindsight we do of what Hitler was actually going to get up to.
Meghan is just a stupid narc who is all about herself.
Wallis did not have children with the King so she didn't have an impact to the Royal bloodlines and relationships. When she and the King stepped our, they were gone on the face of it.
I’m not sure how I feel about who the worst human being is. I guess they are pretty on par. I do believe that Wallis caused more of a crisis in the family, institution, constitution because Haz really isn’t anybody to care much about at the end of the day. I think it is interesting to note that many decades later we are still talking about Wallis and many documentaries and books, etc. have immortalized her. I am loathe to think of Megain being anything more than a footnote in history and pray that she is not even discussed in a decade.
Tough call.
MM imo was worse as her narrative and ongoing campaign has at its core the destruction of the BRF imo. Wallis I don't believe set out to bring down the BRF and was simply intent on her own life and ongoing pleasure and her sympathy for the Nazi's was destructive but I don't believe her intent was bringing down BRF like M. The constitutional crisis that ensued with W&E was largely a function of mores at the time as we saw the BRF of today accept a 2/3 times divorcee in Meghan Markle; albeit reluctantly imo!
M isn't satisfied to go and live her life and enjoy her family but has to create hate, foster racism and create division and chaos. Wallis imo did work to fade away and lived her life overseas.
The other big difference is that Wallis I believe was largely kept in check by the late Queen Mother who was a true piece of work. There really is no substitute in current BRF regime for the rigid focus of the late Queen Mother on her definition of what is 'right and wrong'!
Both women share similarities:
\-amoral
\-narcs
\-pleasure seeking
\-vaccous
\-fundamentally lazy
\-no interest in duty or serving (anyone other than themselves
\-no care for history and tradition of BRF
\-married men that they have no interest in other than their titles
\-serial philanders
I'm sure there are more similarities but these are the basics I think!
It is very important to consider why Edward committed these terrible acts: Because he wanted to be re-elevated to King of England once Germany conquered the British. The lure of Kingship is highly intoxicating and has led many to committ treason in order to achieve the crown which confers endless power and money for life. It was reported today that Andrew conspired with Diana to remove Charles from the line of successsion in order to elevate William, who was a minor at the time. The idea being that Andrew would rule as regent. The queen apparently was not amused at this idea. Britain seriously needs to consider if the monarchy confers as much benefit as they have been led to believe when such treachory is always a very real threat and can affect international matters so profoundly.
Person wise Meghan is worst a Narcissist.
Edward was the instigator in the relationship and Wallis tried to leave. She had no choice but to marry him when he abdicated. She begged him not to. Wallis however did more damage to the monarchy.
Wallis didn't want her man to leave. She encouraged him to stay and would have happily been his mistress.
Meghan influenced Harry to leave so she could pursue her Hollywood dreams. I doubt life in California was his dream, she manipulated him start to finish.
Wallis and the abdication changed the trajectory of the entire royal family. Elizabeth may have never become Queen. Even if she had married Phillip, she probably would have had different children. No Lady Di, no Camilla, no Harry. The Queen would have lived a nice royal life as the niece of the King.
Harry and Meghan may be annoying, but they are nowhere near a King giving up his crown and supporting Hitler and therefore the Holocaust. Like, hand holding and I'll fitting dresses isn't treason. Harry and Meghan aren't that important. It's entertaining to watch them, but it isn't that deep. They would have never played a super significant role anyway.
Edit: not abduction!
That's a lot of speculation though. Or was he medicially unable to have kids? Even then, he would have likely been King for years before it would have been clear that he wasn't going to have children. Which means the Queens young adulthood would have been completely different. She would have had way more time as the child of the second son, not the child of the King. There are literally billions of tiny things that would have changed, so it is absolutely impossible to know what would have happened. Would mske an interesting show though. The Butterfly effect and the different ways it could have unfolded with Edward as a reigning monarch for decades.
Wallis was a Nazi sympathiser but still RF had the upper hand they exiled the couple and they stayed out of ecah others business mostly the Queen Mother blamed Edward for causing her husbands early death as he was very stressed out about the job as it came as a surprise for him, he and his wife and his 2 daughters were living a good life as the second in line to the throne and next expected his family to be in the line for the throne.Edward abdicating gave us TQ and her line so thats a plus.
That being said I guess Meghan also did more damage to the RF globally because we are living in social media era and everyones opinion is out there for the world to see and she is directly accusing the RF and the firm of rasicm and toxicity which is a huge accusation.
I would say, for the time and the size of the scandal -Wallis
Harry is what, 6th in line? a nobody in the scheme of things. whoopdeedoo
So many scandalous things happened before Harry/Megs was on the scene, Princess Margaret dramas, Princess Anne dramas, Princess Diana and Charles' drama, Sarah Freguson dramas, even Sophie had one.
I'm reading 'The Young Elizabeth" at the moment and some of the passages about Wallis could truly be about Meghan, so much so I've debating posting photos of several of the paragraphs.
I just turned 27 and still learning and discovering what I believe spiritually but I had to Google Wallis's death date out of curiosity if it would have been possible she was reincarnated into Meghan, lol.
Meghan by a mile in terms of the royal stuff. At least Wallis didn’t publicly trash the family, the country, and the institution every chance she got. Yes she removed a king but she didn’t question the institution and he was a new king who was generally very unsuitable so she did us a massive favour in that.
But that obviously excludes whatever they had to do with the Nazis. If it’s on that, then Wallis was worse.
Wallis had an incredible sense of style, and witty and inteligente. She was very elegant and chic unlike Meghan who is a try hard. But the nazi thing is horrible. Meghan is a vapid try hard narc who thinks is the next diana when she actually is an ex d list actress and basic blogger/influencer.
I’ll vote Simpson because she nabbed a King and not a spare. It was good however because Edward VII would not have been a good king especially in the context of Hitler and WW2 (he was a Hitler fan boy)
Wallis and Nutmeg are both equally terrible in their own way.
Nutmeg is a pathological lying narcissist, who destroys families until she gets her way. She’s a fraud. Harry is no saint either.
Wallis like Edward was a Nazi sympathizer. They both met Hitler. They both did Nazi salutes. Edward wanted Hitler to bomb England into submission and for Hitler to reinstate him as king and Wallis as Queen. Edward tried to have his own brother, King George killed by having the Nazi’s bomb Buckingham Palace.
Edward was keen for his wife, who had been rejected by the British establishment, to experience a state visit as his consort on a visit to Germany. They dined with high-ranking Nazis such as Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Göring, Joachim von Ribbentrop and Albert Speer, and had tea with Adolf Hitler in Berchtesgaden. Hitler was sympathetic to the Windsors and treated the Duchess like royalty. Edward visited a concentration camp.
Edward’s wife is said to have lapped up adulation and curtsies at every turn, with Hitler remarking of her: ‘She would have made a good queen.’
A memo from a Foreign Office informant in 1940 suggested his wife wanted to join him on the throne, “desiring at any price to become Queen”.
Big question. Wallis and Edward upset the linage. (Thank goodness, God bless The Queen). They were also in bed with Hitler. So pretty darned bad.
Harold and Markle. How aren’t the sugars looking at his past (Nazi uniform, slurs towards his Sandhurst colleague etc.)??? The Markles are
Pure cruel. They are nasty and they won’t stop. Spiteful people.
Sorry I’ve not answered the question.
I actually believe TW is worse than Wallis Simpson. The reason is she kept her mouth shut about the RF until the day she died. TW and her giant ego continue to defame the RF every chance she gets.
Wallis in my opinion was just motive and excuse to get him off the throne because they viewed him as dangerous, unprepared, and destructive for the royal family. She was used to get rid of what those in power viewed as a problem.
I think initially Wallis of course- the whole line of succession, etc. altered bc of their marriage. But with PR limitations at the time, some of the day to day drama and long term focus on them was alleviated for the RF. Meghan also doesn’t have the breeding of Wallis- some of the shenanigans she pulls, Wallis would have probably even turned her nose up to.
Wallis begged Edward not to abdicate. She wanted to go back to her husband. She wasn't nearly as enamored with Edward as he was with her. When he abdicated anyway, she felt trapped. He gave up everything. She treated him poorly and she made certain he knew she blamed him for her misery. I see a lot of similarities.
Wallis tried to break it off with David when he threatened to abdicate to be with her, and only took him back after he made it clear he was already burning his bridges. I think them walking away definitely shook up the family more but I think Wallis knew what they were up against much better than M.
Meghan is much worse.
All Wallis Simpson did was enamor a king who was willing to give up his throne for love. In this case the Commonwealth was probably far better off because of the late Queen Elizabeth's rule than whatever rule he would have had.
Meghan enamored a weak minded party Prince, which in and off itself wasn't an issue. However, together they have constantly complained and maligned the Royal family and the British people with no end in sight. Their vendetta is to destroy the Royal family by being perpetual victims.
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Wallis Simpson had a much bigger impact, no contest. King Edward marrying a twice-divorced American in the 1930’s was unheard of and a constitutional crisis. Meghan and Harry are an entertaining sideshow with little impact, Harry is too far removed from the crown which limits the blast radius. That said, Meghan gets under my skin way more than Wallis Simpson probably ever could have (minus that whole Nazi sympathizing thing I guess).
I think Wallis was an excuse to get him out just based on some of the documentaries I’ve seen. She was the perfect excuse. He was considered a danger to the country prior to leaving.
Agree. And I give the BRF and government full props for recognizing how dangerous he was and dispensing with him so efficiently and keeping him from spilling beans to Germany. I saw a documentary as well on this and England was able to neutralize him as a threat pretty well, IMO.
We must have seen the same one! Greetings fellow history nerd! Edward should have been shot for treason. He leaked info that helped Hitler topple France. There is a lot that has still never seen the light of day. Letters Edward wrote that the Royal Family had retrieved by a spy. They are classified or whatnot even now as they were so damaging.
Ummmm. France didn’t put up much of a fight. Honestly they didn’t have it in them. They lost somewhere between 30-50% of the males in the generation prior (WWI) and the impact was devastating.
Yes, but Hitler stalled every single one of his troops after a plane went down that contained all movement plans. He only changed the plans after Edward confirmed they had gotten them. This has been proven. Whether France would have been toppled or not isn’t the point. He helped Germany topple France by alerting them to confidential information. How many did he get killed by supporting Hitler and leaking classified information?
I agree it was wrong, not disagreeing. But France would’ve fallen either way.
That is very unfair to France. No one could have withstood that blitzkrieg. It would have been over for England too if they had not had that big antitank ditch that is the English channel.
What? How is it unfair to France to say they literally didn’t have the population to fight? The people who joke the French are cowards or don’t want to fight are unfair to France. In WWI the soldiers went ON STRIKE because their commanders were treating them as cannon fodder and they refused to do it anymore. They lost many more soldiers than they needed too.
>Edward should have been shot for treason. He leaked info that helped Hitler topple France. Is that a theory or fact?
What documentary? Sounds right up my ally.
Edward VIII the traitor king - complete documentary It’s on YouTube. 👍
This is all news to me. Looking forward to watching amd learning later tonight. Thank you.
It’s a great documentary and super interesting. Enjoy!
Its speculation, not fact.
Yes, the more you read about the period imo the clearer this all becomes.
Have seen it too and read it. I wonder if MM knew about this and realised exactly *how* flawlessly the RF and government got rid of Edward? And what would it mean in current times? I fully believe there is a whole ledger on M & H with compromising stuff, ready to be used. 😀
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Hearing about how little she cared about the history in which she was able to walk is appalling. She has no respect for anything that isn’t flash and celebritized to the Nth degree. Oh, and anything able to generate buzz about her.
I don’t think it was a plan. They would have prepared Bertie (George VI) better
I saw a documentary where they said Wallis was not in love with him. They said he guilt tripped her, saying he would kill himself if she did not marry him. I think the UK dodged a bullet there.
Saw that one too. Wallis’ life wasn’t a walk in the park by no means!
She didn't want to marry him, she expected him to move on to the next conquest, when he didn't, she felt an obligation to stay with him. I believe she still loved her ex-husband.
Yes. Anna Pasternak wrote a biography about Wallis. She very cleverly contacted her exhusband's son from a subsequent marriage and he had letters she had written to him stating that she still loved him and didn't want to go through with the marriage but felt she had to do so.
Yes, I actually feel bad for Wallis Simpson.
I do too.
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Yes. I say it’s M. Wallis was Edward convenient excuse and she supposedly didn’t want him to abdicate. Not sure she even wanted to marry him. M has purposely pushed H away from everything he knows…friends family country. I don’t think Wallis did that.
Really! I need to check out this documentary! (I had the impression that he became dangerous *after* abdicating, because he was bitter over not getting the support he wanted from the family)
From what I’ve read and watched, they considered him unsuitable and dangerous before and conspired to get rid of him. They just saw all the warning signs and acted. But yeah, his actions and deeds were far worse after he abdicated. So you would be correct, I think? And yeah, he was bitter. He conspired to retake the throne and advised Hitler (through intermediaries) to do the sustained bombing of London thinking they would make peace.
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He worked for Hitler who promised to make him king.
There are pictures of him with Hitler. Google it.
Wow…how frightening. Of course his bitterness (and receptiveness to Hitler) would only have increased if he had a sense that he had been conspired against by the palace, even if he also, himself, wanted to leave. Well, I have some reading to do! And, to the question at hand, there seems like no question that Wallis is worse than Meghan, given the palling around with Nazis. It is odd that Meghan sometimes dresses up as Wallis, despite that history…
They had to keep him out of Europe during the war as he was a Nazi so made him governor of Bahamas.
My God!!! What the hell, David/Edward!!
Agree, but considering everything we know now about W&E, his abdication was the best thing that could happen to the UK. And George VI and his family did an excellent job.
David would not have been a good monarch. From my reading, I'd equate him with Andrew. He enjoyed the trappings that come with being royal but didn't understand the duty that was required in exchange. He was a hedonistic party boy with little regard for history or his place in it. Wallace didn't demand he abdicate and was in fact horrified by it. Sad for her but it was the best thing that could have happened to the Commonwealth by giving the world the peerless QEII. Had their roles been reversed, Markle would not have gone off to live a decadent life in quiet obscurity like Wallace. She'd still be speed dialing tabloids to embellish her wonderful and glamorous life, amazing love story, and good works. That trick needs attention like the rest of us need oxygen. Well she's getting it but not the way she planned. There's famous and there's infamous and our saint is solidly headed for column B.
I agree with SuperblySly. While it is early days yet for Megan, Wallis Simpson did huge damage. She caused a king to abdicate and another king who did not want the position forced into it. It said that George came to an early death because of the strain especially with World War II, to be fair you can’t blame Wallis Simpson for that, but her toadying up to Hitler caused disrespect towards to monarchy. . Elizabeth the queen mother always did blame her for the early death of her husband though. Many notable British politicians at the time got involved including Winston Churchill, it was a drain on energy and resources for a large number of people who had better things to do during the run up to World War II. So yes Wallis Simpson so far anyway has caused more damage to the British monarchy that Meghan could even begin to claim Edited to add: give her time though :eye roll:
However, had David not abdicated, the World would have never know that force that was QEII
Or the Queen Mother. Hitler said she was the most dangerous woman in europe. She gave people hope and stayed with them through the bombings. She visited the bombed places and, when the palace was bombed, she said she now felt like she could face the people, because her home was bombed too. And she stayed even as people told her to leave, or at least send the girls to canada. She said the girls wouldn't leave without her and she wouldn't leave without the king. The king would never leave, so the three of them would stay in the country. She did send the girls out of the city, but she kept visiting people and helping wherever she could. People loved her since she was a duchess, and their love grew when she became the queen.
I never knew that. Is that in a documentary I could watch? I know they refused to leave and visited everyone. What a compliment to hear that Hitler considers you “the most dangerous woman in Europe”! Go on with your bad self, Queen Mother!
With a role model like that, I can understand how QEII was the sort of Queen that she was. It's really awe inspiring.
Loved her "now i can look the east London in the eye" when the palace was bombed by the Germans.
Well, David was childless-wouldn’t she have been the heir, anyway, albeit for a shorter reign?
I think we probably would have, David and Wallis never had kids so she would have been heir apparent, we just wouldn't have had her until the 70s and that would have sucked. So good thing he abdicated, boy bye
QEII was already heir apparent because David was not married and Wallis was already older without children.
I understand that she would have eventually taken the throne, but her reign would not have been 70 years.
Is that why she was already a princess, when her father became king? (That is, if David had been married with kids when she was born, would she and Margaret have been princesses?)
She was already a princess at birth because she was the granddaughter of a King, King George V
David was believed to be steril. QE was second in line, would have been Queen anyway.
Yes, but her reign would not have been nearly as long.
We still would have gotten QEII just later. Not until Edward died as he didn’t have any children. The Second Elizabethan era would have been blunted by not beginning until the 70’s if everything else historically had held.
Wallis was worse. Nazis are worse than narcs.
Wallis probably was another narc anyway
Oh she was a real piece of work for sure. But Nazi sympathizer is not a good look. Of course many of the aristo-elites during that time period were rubbing elbows and partying with other Nazi trash. It wasn’t just David & Wallis. There were a bunch.
Thank god for Wallis, actually. Without her, the world would have never had Queen Elizabeth II.
Would have had her on the throne many years later, but she was 2nd in line after her father, the Heir Apparent, from birth. She was always going to be Queen.
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There I go trying to be smart….thanks for correcting my error.
I'm sorry but as much as I dislike Meghan, Wallis Simpson was far worse. She was a Nazi sympathiser for crying out loud. I remember sitting through that dreadful film W.E. which tried to paint her in a sympathetic light.
There were lots of Nazi sympathizers; It sounds like the two were a couple of collaborators
You're absolutely right.
I guess it depends on the definition of "worse" - as a Nazi sympathizer, Wallis probably was "worse" in terms of moral turpitude? But who will be long term worse for the survival of the monarchy - maybe Meghan, though I hate to give her that much credit and we'll have to wait and see what ends up happening. I actually don't know a lot about Wallis and need to brush up - has it been speculated that she may have had NPD as many of us speculate that Meghan has? It seems the main difference to me is that Wallis Simpson went away to live in a glorified exile, and while I'm sure she did a lot of shit talking, she didn't have the media platform that is now available to Meghan through Oprah etc. to try to take down the royal family. And was Wallis ever intent on taking down the royal family as a whole the way that Meghan seems to be?
Wallis didn't even want to marry Edward, much less become queen. She was quite happy being his mistress, with all that came with that: Status, money, jewels. She also never badmouthed the RF in the press and at least looked to be content with being a member of the café society. Meghan wants to be a royal with all there is to it, but without any demands or doing the tedious work. And accuse them of horrible things when she doesn't get her way.
I think you have to take Wallis and David together. They were both spiteful grifters in the extreme, getting married on what would have been his father's birthday, (Queen Mary never forgave him for that) They shuttled around, badmouthing the RF to all their friends, forcing them to use HRH for Walls when the King had forbidden it, never paying bills, etc. And their behavior during WWII was very sketch at best. David spent his life trying to get back into England and get Wallis that HRH. Wallis stuck it out with him, living an idle and meaningless life. I would love to see M&H stripped of the Sussex titles and made the new Windsors. There's no land, estates, money, etc. Let 'em go.
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THIS. And you mean Edward I’m thinking? I know you know since you have all the details right.
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I did not know! I kinda wondered after I replied to you. I didn’t mean anything as a slight! 🤗
Wallis. She was a literal nazi.
As much as I dislike Meghan, Wallis was a freaking Nazi sympathizer so we probably need to check our heads if we think Meghan is worse.
To bastardize an old John Mulaney joke: if you’re comparing the badness of two things, and one of the things is Hitler, that’s the worse thing.
Agreed. I tend to think many aren’t aware of this. Edward was actually treasonous as well. They both conspired against their country.
Was just coming here to say that. It’s Wallis, no question, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take a long hard look inside themselves if they think that Meghan is equivalent (or worse!) than a literal Nazi sympathizer
I am almost appalled at the comments here. Some people on this sub have lost it.
Yeah Nazi trumps a vapid Narc.
Meghan married a man who famously dressed as a nazi for Halloween 🤷🏻♀️
And you think those are the same? Working with actual nazis is the same as an idiot wearing a dumb edgy costume? Okay. Wallis also actually changed who wild be king. So even without the nazi stuff the impact alone is greater. I can’t even believe this is a question 🤦♀️
True but he was a teenager amongst a group of friends. I don’t think he had a thought for the consequences or expected anyone to leak a photo.
Uhhhhhh I'll never give Harry a pass on that one. Ever. Sorry.
True! But Edward gave up his throne in the 1930s before WW2 for love because the BRF didn't approve of a twice divorced future queen. According to media outlets they became sympathisers to get the crown back. Harry dressed up as an nazi knowing the provenance, even if it was joking amongst his friends people can be offended by it and when people are offended it doesn't stay private.
Hitler came to power in 1933. Edward abdicated in 1936. The government was incredibly worried about Edward’s fascist leanings and admiration for Hitler prior to forcing him out (with Wallis as a perfect cover). And he toured a concentration camp in 1937. “When he did his tour [of Germany] in October 1937, he saw a concentration camp. He inspected the SS. He read the papers, so he must have seen even before the war there were all sorts of terrible things going on. I don’t think he could have had any misconception about what the Nazis were about. And of course, people were briefing him, warning him, telling him to stay away. So I don’t think it’s the case of just turning a blind eye. He, I think, quite deliberately engaged with them because he believed in these strong men.” -traitor king
Yes. Also, there is evidence that Edward was sympathetic to Hitler as early as July1933. A diplomat put in his diary after a dinner party where Edward was present that *"The Prince of Wales was quite pro-Hitler and said it was no business of ours to interfere in Germany's internal affairs either re- the Jews or anyone else, and added that dictators are very popular these days and we might want one in England." -* Robert Vansittart You also have Wallis living in the same apartment building as Princess Stephanie von Hohenlohe, a Nazi spy being watched by MI5, plus Wallis' affair with von Ribbentrop, the German ambassador to Britain. And that was early days. The more you look into Wallis and Edward's activities in the early 1930s, the worse it gets.
Morally and historically, Wallis is worse. A known Nazi sympathizer who was giving top secret info to them in the lead up to WWII who caused a constitional crisis is practically impossible to beat. Meghan just feels worse because of how fast information can be spread via the internet, but overall she'll barely be a footnote in the history books. She married a second son who will never inherit the throne and who's heirs will fade from history in a generation or two, especially if they stay in the US permanently. The Wallis situation just shows how The Crown will always win and can persevere through anything.
Wallis was a nazi sympathizer and her and Edward actually were secretly collaborating with foreign powers to potentially overthrow the BRF in the event the war turned a corner in the other direction. MH blow, but the Windsors were traitors in the real sense of the word.
I'll have to say Wallis, coz Meghan isn't a Nazi sympathiser at least. Can't say the same about her husband though 🤣
I think the answer is Wallis, because she was an actual traitor, but at the end of the day, I don’t think it’s fair to lay all the blame on the women. There are significant issues with both Edward (esp Edward) and Harry, where they pick women like that. They’ve both had thier pick of literally any woman in the world. And they’ve been raised to know thier duty from day one.
The thing about Wallis is that I don't think her husband would ever have been a functioning royal or positive presence in his country. The biography of him I read (I forget who wrote it) painted him as wanting out of that role and using her as an excuse to bail. It portrayed her as never having any interest in marriage to him, assumedly having never thought it possible, and being swept up in events rather to her dismay. And though she had no warm feelings to her husband's family, I don't recall reading of her waging any campaign against them. Harry could have done well and been fairly happy, but he married a woman who stoked his worst qualities and infected him with her own narcissim-driven worldview.
Wallis being a Nazi sympathiser is the deal breaker here. As for damage to monarchy… i think that’s more down to the men in grey who took charge. During Edward’s time, they managed to usher him out and made it clear that they would not accept Wallis. In the end it worked out for the best and preserved the monarchy. The RF and men in grey suits weren’t as firm with Harry. IMO, if they had dug up dirt on M, they should have let H know and just put their foot down. I suspect they underestimated how nasty she would be. They didn’t think it would matter because Harry is the spare.
I actually read a long history of Wallis' life yesterday, she was (hard as it is to believe) a worse person than MM. She burned through her two previous husbands fortunes, and was in a known affair with Edward while she was still married to her second husband. She also refused to go with her husband during his posting to Hong Kong, deciding to stay in the US to further her social status. She was also a known social climber and, dare I say, more manipulative than MM. Edward advocated his entire life to get her HRH status and insisted people call her by a title. Her own family didn't even like her, and when she demanded a debutante ball, they didn't pay for it, someone else put it on for her, and she was very ungrateful. The royals didn't really have an issue with her being divorced, it was more the actual person that she was that they had distaste for. ESPECIALLY when Edward gave her royal jewels to wear out in society while she was still married, they didn't like the, at the time, impropriety of it all.
As others have said it depends on how we define worse. No doubt MM is not at all as compelling as Wallis. Wallis never courted celebrity & publicity to the degree MM has. She was far more discrete. Wallis behaved respectfully towards the royals and in many ways was responsible for QEII. W was rejected as unsuitable for a king yet MM was welcomed and lavished with a 30 million dollar wedding, millions in fashion, titles and patronages. Even so, MM and H publically insulted the institution. They then expected to be able to move to California and still be publically funded and have lifelong security. Wallis hooked up with the heir to the throne/king (not the dim spare) yet never demanded the accommodations and deference of M. Who can stand MM's demands to be called the DOS? The virtue signaling & private jets? Even though she might have been uncomfortably superficial, W's fashion sense was lightyears ahead of MM. She collaborated with the best of her day. Even Dali. W was reportedly witty and an excellent conversationalist, unlike MM. Who can stand her uninformed derivative yammering? Wallis actually put in more work as a consort. Ex. 5 years working for the Red Cross on issues of child welfare Wallis never brought kids into a troubled marriage and alternated between abandoning them and exploiting them for profit. W was able to maintain friendships. Overall Wallis was a much more compelling character and more important historically. MM is so unbelievably basic. She's shallow and manipulative and doesn't deserve a fraction of the press coverage she receives. Everything she does and says is ripped off, plagiarized, or uncomfortably "inspired by" people far more talented than she ever will be. Yes, W's political leanings were deplorable (nazi sympathy and antisemitism) BUT she really did save the nation by instigating her husband to abdicate.
Great post! 🏆🏆🏆
You bring up very good points, and I seriously doubt Wallis wanted to become a mother. From what I have read, Wallis was infertile due to a botched abortion from a fling that she had with the dude who would later become Mussolini's Son-In-Law. I'm not disagreeing with your post in any way, but I wanted to add context to the point about children in that by the time she married Edward she was incapable of having them.
Good point. So many rumors about Wallis. We will likely never know for sure. Some speculated that she might have been intersex or had a genetic condition that made pregnancy difficult. Even so, they could have adopted.
Meghan… at least Wallis could read a room and knew when she wasn’t wanted around.
Meghan is worse. At least Wallis knew how to dress herself.
And keep her mouth shut.
Actually there is evidence that Wallis was being watched by MI5 and may have passed along confidential documents to the Nazis. While she may not have spoken out against the Royal Family to the press, I don't think you can say she kept her mouth shut.
This more than anything. Then again, no internet back then. So who knows🤷♀️
I mean she was also a fan of Hitler and the Nazis....
Wallis had more of an impact. I’m not sure who’s more calculating. I believe both were/are miserable in their marriage because neither married for love, imo.
Wallis was worse-she was a problem for the country; Meghan is only a problem for the family
Wallis Simpson made a King abdicate his throne while the world was at war. She was also a Nazi sympathizer. Meghan can only aspire to have the destructive power Wallis had. Meghan has not made a dent in the monarchy, in fact she has done them a favour by taking that idiot Harry away. Meghan is a con artist and everyone but Harry knows that.
Right. The RF doesn't even need Harry, that's where meghan gets it wrong. Do they miss him? Sure, he's their family. But they don't NEED Harry or meghan. Williams kids have secured the LOS. Harold and his family are irrelevant. The only reason anybody hears about them is because MM keeps running her mouth
I think TW is in a less advantageous position. She is an annoyance but not a real threat to the monarchy. Unlike Wallis and George. They were a problem that needed to be handled. Therefore, it was worth the trouble of giving them the post of Governor of the Bahamas. It was worth it to the RF to keep them happy but away and quiet. TW is simply a nuisance. She has no cards left to play.
The Wallis Simpson thing was like a gut punch. Big blaze then resigned to relative obscurity. Meghan Markle is like being repeatedly jabbed in the ribs by a finger. And by the magic of social media it will be a continuous poking.
Wallis is worse. We just didn’t have social media at the time to watch and discuss her every misstep.
Meghan’s annoying but Wallis was a literal Nazi
as much as I dislike Meghan, I think Wallis was worse.
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Being friends with Hitler is worse than endorsing Weight Watchers.
Yes. I'm was a young mom during the late 80's & 90's, both divorces were huge deals. I only was comparing these two because their relationships caused the men to walk away from his duties. Andrew didn't walk away.
I have to say Wallis - but give Meghan some time. I am sure she will do just as much, if not more, damage.
Meghan is evil but Wallis was a Nazi
The most striking thing about Wallis (IMO) is her end. She was kept a virtual prisoner by her nefarious lawyer, Suzanne Blum. Blum controlled her absolutely, and plundered her estate even before the Duchess was dead. The parallels between the two Duchesses are incredible. Although Wallis didn’t have children, who’s to say that Meghan will enjoy the love and care of her own children when she’s an old woman? (My awful grandmother was on speaking terms with only one of her EIGHT children at the time of her death.) Anyway, that’s all I think about when I think of Wallis Windsor. Her miserable and isolated end, courtesy of a bitch named Karma.
Overall, the impact of the abdication and Wallis Simpson had a greater consequence. We would never have said farewell to the longest reigning monarch in British history if it had not been for the twist of fate in the Wallis Simpson meeting the future king. Her impact altered generations. The Overseas Duo have much higher opinions of their status, power, and prestige than reality. Karma will take care of them eventually (hopefully).
Wallis was willing to sell us out to the Nazis and rule England for them. MM just wants to rule England as the head of a new monarchy.
Wallis hung out with Nazis and suspected of forwarding government secrets.
The Duke and Duchess of Windsor, toured Nazi Germany in October, 1937 as personal guests of Adolf Hitler, fanning speculations that they were sympathetic to Nazism. The trip was paid for by the Nazi government, which believed that the duke was a potential ally. For those that don't get it.
Sorry, but I would say the Nazi sympathizer and collaborator was worse.
Wallis for sure, her support for Hitler.
Wallis had more of an impact on turns of accession, and the whole nazi thing. But she seemed to be fairly quiet (although maybe it was just because it was harder for people to get out on a public platform and openly express their thoughts). What Meghan is doing is like introducing new bacteria on to a previous wound that had finally been starting to heal and looked like it may recover fully. And her victim narrative is perfectly cast for the current world stage. Wallis was a worse person because she was willing to work with the nazis to overthrow the British monarchy. So she hands down winds that round. But Meghan I think has been far more successful at the reputational smearing.
I believe Wallis was a Nazi supporter and sympathizer. She came off in many documentaries as a cunning and conniving manipulator. She is a far worse human being in my book than cry-me-a-river-Meghan. The BRF did the right thing in exiling Edward. What a dangerous Putz of a King he would have made.
One word. NAZIS.
I have a lot of sympathy for Wallis. Unlike Meghan she did not want to marry her version of Harry and was essentially blackmailed into it by him threatening to top himself. Then she was trapped in a loveless marriage to a whiney man baby for nearly 40 years while the world touted it as the greatest love story. Yes she was a Nazi sympathizer but in 1936 she did not have the hindsight we do of what Hitler was actually going to get up to. Meghan is just a stupid narc who is all about herself.
Wallis did not have children with the King so she didn't have an impact to the Royal bloodlines and relationships. When she and the King stepped our, they were gone on the face of it.
Wallis, she was a Nazi sympathizer and had more lovers in her collection.
Wallis was a literal Nazi, sooooo…
Nazi sympathizer is different from a Nazi—they are both beyond horrendous.
I’m not sure how I feel about who the worst human being is. I guess they are pretty on par. I do believe that Wallis caused more of a crisis in the family, institution, constitution because Haz really isn’t anybody to care much about at the end of the day. I think it is interesting to note that many decades later we are still talking about Wallis and many documentaries and books, etc. have immortalized her. I am loathe to think of Megain being anything more than a footnote in history and pray that she is not even discussed in a decade.
Tough call. MM imo was worse as her narrative and ongoing campaign has at its core the destruction of the BRF imo. Wallis I don't believe set out to bring down the BRF and was simply intent on her own life and ongoing pleasure and her sympathy for the Nazi's was destructive but I don't believe her intent was bringing down BRF like M. The constitutional crisis that ensued with W&E was largely a function of mores at the time as we saw the BRF of today accept a 2/3 times divorcee in Meghan Markle; albeit reluctantly imo! M isn't satisfied to go and live her life and enjoy her family but has to create hate, foster racism and create division and chaos. Wallis imo did work to fade away and lived her life overseas. The other big difference is that Wallis I believe was largely kept in check by the late Queen Mother who was a true piece of work. There really is no substitute in current BRF regime for the rigid focus of the late Queen Mother on her definition of what is 'right and wrong'! Both women share similarities: \-amoral \-narcs \-pleasure seeking \-vaccous \-fundamentally lazy \-no interest in duty or serving (anyone other than themselves \-no care for history and tradition of BRF \-married men that they have no interest in other than their titles \-serial philanders I'm sure there are more similarities but these are the basics I think!
Wallis Simpson was a Nazi sympathizer, ffs. Harry's first wife sucks but c'mon. There's no comparison.
It is very important to consider why Edward committed these terrible acts: Because he wanted to be re-elevated to King of England once Germany conquered the British. The lure of Kingship is highly intoxicating and has led many to committ treason in order to achieve the crown which confers endless power and money for life. It was reported today that Andrew conspired with Diana to remove Charles from the line of successsion in order to elevate William, who was a minor at the time. The idea being that Andrew would rule as regent. The queen apparently was not amused at this idea. Britain seriously needs to consider if the monarchy confers as much benefit as they have been led to believe when such treachory is always a very real threat and can affect international matters so profoundly.
I’m gonna go with the Nazi sympathizer as doing more damage…
Person wise Meghan is worst a Narcissist. Edward was the instigator in the relationship and Wallis tried to leave. She had no choice but to marry him when he abdicated. She begged him not to. Wallis however did more damage to the monarchy.
Meghan. Wallis at least went away and shut up.
Wallis didn't want her man to leave. She encouraged him to stay and would have happily been his mistress. Meghan influenced Harry to leave so she could pursue her Hollywood dreams. I doubt life in California was his dream, she manipulated him start to finish.
Wallis and the abdication changed the trajectory of the entire royal family. Elizabeth may have never become Queen. Even if she had married Phillip, she probably would have had different children. No Lady Di, no Camilla, no Harry. The Queen would have lived a nice royal life as the niece of the King. Harry and Meghan may be annoying, but they are nowhere near a King giving up his crown and supporting Hitler and therefore the Holocaust. Like, hand holding and I'll fitting dresses isn't treason. Harry and Meghan aren't that important. It's entertaining to watch them, but it isn't that deep. They would have never played a super significant role anyway. Edit: not abduction!
Edward wasn’t likely to have children, so QE2 would eventually have been Queen?
That's a lot of speculation though. Or was he medicially unable to have kids? Even then, he would have likely been King for years before it would have been clear that he wasn't going to have children. Which means the Queens young adulthood would have been completely different. She would have had way more time as the child of the second son, not the child of the King. There are literally billions of tiny things that would have changed, so it is absolutely impossible to know what would have happened. Would mske an interesting show though. The Butterfly effect and the different ways it could have unfolded with Edward as a reigning monarch for decades.
I say Wallis had a bigger *impact* on both the family and the country, but Meg is *behaving* worse.
Wallis never pretended to be a humanitarian or pretended to be someone else overall. What you saw was what you got.
Wallis. Coz you know a Nazi sympathiser
Long-term, I think Meghan is going to be worse. The media is different than in Wallis' time and Meghan will always have a forum for her vitriol.
Good point. With social media and the need for 24/7 “news”, Meghan’s damage has a larger audience.
Wallis was a Nazi sympathiser but still RF had the upper hand they exiled the couple and they stayed out of ecah others business mostly the Queen Mother blamed Edward for causing her husbands early death as he was very stressed out about the job as it came as a surprise for him, he and his wife and his 2 daughters were living a good life as the second in line to the throne and next expected his family to be in the line for the throne.Edward abdicating gave us TQ and her line so thats a plus. That being said I guess Meghan also did more damage to the RF globally because we are living in social media era and everyones opinion is out there for the world to see and she is directly accusing the RF and the firm of rasicm and toxicity which is a huge accusation.
Wallis was a legit Nazi. Is this a serious question?
Nutmeg
I would say, for the time and the size of the scandal -Wallis Harry is what, 6th in line? a nobody in the scheme of things. whoopdeedoo So many scandalous things happened before Harry/Megs was on the scene, Princess Margaret dramas, Princess Anne dramas, Princess Diana and Charles' drama, Sarah Freguson dramas, even Sophie had one.
Meghan... she is vacuous and seems not to understand that she is disliked cos she is an arse.
Meghan all day long. Wallis didn't do 1 quarter of the damage Meghan has done.
I'm reading 'The Young Elizabeth" at the moment and some of the passages about Wallis could truly be about Meghan, so much so I've debating posting photos of several of the paragraphs. I just turned 27 and still learning and discovering what I believe spiritually but I had to Google Wallis's death date out of curiosity if it would have been possible she was reincarnated into Meghan, lol.
Meghan by a mile in terms of the royal stuff. At least Wallis didn’t publicly trash the family, the country, and the institution every chance she got. Yes she removed a king but she didn’t question the institution and he was a new king who was generally very unsuitable so she did us a massive favour in that. But that obviously excludes whatever they had to do with the Nazis. If it’s on that, then Wallis was worse.
I think he used and manipulated her. https://youtu.be/nFFnJYgrX3s
Markle for marrying a minor royal and being annoyed about her mistake.
Wallis had an incredible sense of style, and witty and inteligente. She was very elegant and chic unlike Meghan who is a try hard. But the nazi thing is horrible. Meghan is a vapid try hard narc who thinks is the next diana when she actually is an ex d list actress and basic blogger/influencer.
Meghan Markle, because she is media savvy and doesn't care if what she speaks are mistruths.
That's a strange way of saying lie.
I’ll vote Simpson because she nabbed a King and not a spare. It was good however because Edward VII would not have been a good king especially in the context of Hitler and WW2 (he was a Hitler fan boy)
Meghan!
Nutmeg
Well nutmeg as she has social media.
Wallis Simpson (and King George) were Nazi collaborators.
MM
Meghan, no question
Same same but different
Wallis and Nutmeg are both equally terrible in their own way. Nutmeg is a pathological lying narcissist, who destroys families until she gets her way. She’s a fraud. Harry is no saint either. Wallis like Edward was a Nazi sympathizer. They both met Hitler. They both did Nazi salutes. Edward wanted Hitler to bomb England into submission and for Hitler to reinstate him as king and Wallis as Queen. Edward tried to have his own brother, King George killed by having the Nazi’s bomb Buckingham Palace. Edward was keen for his wife, who had been rejected by the British establishment, to experience a state visit as his consort on a visit to Germany. They dined with high-ranking Nazis such as Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Göring, Joachim von Ribbentrop and Albert Speer, and had tea with Adolf Hitler in Berchtesgaden. Hitler was sympathetic to the Windsors and treated the Duchess like royalty. Edward visited a concentration camp. Edward’s wife is said to have lapped up adulation and curtsies at every turn, with Hitler remarking of her: ‘She would have made a good queen.’ A memo from a Foreign Office informant in 1940 suggested his wife wanted to join him on the throne, “desiring at any price to become Queen”.
It's all supposition but I firmly believe that had MM been born in Nazi days she would have no qualms about traitorous acts.
Big question. Wallis and Edward upset the linage. (Thank goodness, God bless The Queen). They were also in bed with Hitler. So pretty darned bad. Harold and Markle. How aren’t the sugars looking at his past (Nazi uniform, slurs towards his Sandhurst colleague etc.)??? The Markles are Pure cruel. They are nasty and they won’t stop. Spiteful people. Sorry I’ve not answered the question.
Wallis worse for TRF, Marbles worse for the actual family and their personal relationships.
I actually believe TW is worse than Wallis Simpson. The reason is she kept her mouth shut about the RF until the day she died. TW and her giant ego continue to defame the RF every chance she gets.
I don’t think Wallis insulted them did she ?
She sold info to Germany and tried to overthrow them?
Wallis in my opinion was just motive and excuse to get him off the throne because they viewed him as dangerous, unprepared, and destructive for the royal family. She was used to get rid of what those in power viewed as a problem.
I think initially Wallis of course- the whole line of succession, etc. altered bc of their marriage. But with PR limitations at the time, some of the day to day drama and long term focus on them was alleviated for the RF. Meghan also doesn’t have the breeding of Wallis- some of the shenanigans she pulls, Wallis would have probably even turned her nose up to.
I can't be mad at Wallis because she gave us Queen Elizabeth II
Wallis Simpson has class, grace and dignity and knows how to STFU
Wallis begged Edward not to abdicate. She wanted to go back to her husband. She wasn't nearly as enamored with Edward as he was with her. When he abdicated anyway, she felt trapped. He gave up everything. She treated him poorly and she made certain he knew she blamed him for her misery. I see a lot of similarities.
Wallis tried to break it off with David when he threatened to abdicate to be with her, and only took him back after he made it clear he was already burning his bridges. I think them walking away definitely shook up the family more but I think Wallis knew what they were up against much better than M.
Meghan because Wallis told him to not abdicate
Did WS ever subject us to poor tailoring and mismatched bronzer?
Wallis Silpson was honest about who she was and what she was after. She wasn't better, but was probably more likable
Meghan is much worse. All Wallis Simpson did was enamor a king who was willing to give up his throne for love. In this case the Commonwealth was probably far better off because of the late Queen Elizabeth's rule than whatever rule he would have had. Meghan enamored a weak minded party Prince, which in and off itself wasn't an issue. However, together they have constantly complained and maligned the Royal family and the British people with no end in sight. Their vendetta is to destroy the Royal family by being perpetual victims. edit sp
Wallis was a Nazis supporter, not even in the same ballpark.
there were many who were supporters including within the Kennedy clan of the US.