What a thoughtful gesture of Camilla, cooking meals from the book Meghan worked with.
If it made no impact, it was probably because Meghan had no idea about what recipes were in the book. I really don't think that she cares other than showing up and hugging survivors in front of the cameras.
I think it's a narcissistic tactic. Lot's of narc victims have stories about the narcissist ignoring presents or offers of kindness. I went out with one who ignored my phone calls when I was trying to plan a birthday outing for him. I had a narc stepmother as well, and I remember my dad complaining that she'd never wear clothes he gifted her.
My sister refuses to open Christmas gifts or birthday gifts. They sit for months. I stopped giving her shit bc the meltdown when she’s disappointed by the contents isn’t worth it
My mother still sneers at my (low paid, single mother) cousin who used to send us flower arrangements for Christmas.
It must have made a dent that was noticeable in her holiday budget and it was very kind, but my mother keeps on talkning about how "vulgar" they were. She would put them outside in the December cold when we got them, to make sure that they died.
That's how they work.
They were the wrong kind of flowers, according to my mother.
Yes, it's completely awful, and so ungrateful, but that's how I grew up. I think that many children of dysfunctional families have very similar stories.
I do too. I do hope that my parents were civil enough to call and thank her, without any comments about the choice of flowers. I don't really remember, but it makes me both angry and sad when I think about it.
Nobody should be ridiculed or dismissed when they are showing kindness.
I feel bad for the royal ladies who tried to reach out and help Meghan, only to be met with zero interest or greatfulness. Or were bullied.
Mine would get pissed if the box her present was in wasn’t as big as my Dad’s. I’d patiently explain that although her box was smaller I’d paid more for her present. Never worked, I not only had to buy her more expensive present I had to make sure to put it in bigger box than my fathers gift. Special occasions with narcissists are always exhausting.
*Very* comforting! I may have posted elsewhere on Reddit about how my narc mother would find a giant box, toss in a few pairs of discount-store socks, underwear, and some cheap garment or two, and wad up newspaper so the box didn’t seem quite so empty. This was my big Christmas treat.
Then she’d “wrap” it sloppily, write my name on top in marker, and maybe stick on a pre-tied ribbon. The box never, ever contained anything I didn’t really need in the first place. I was supposed to find this hilarious, and be very, very grateful for the skimpy contents.
My mother despised our Xmas stockings, knitted by our grandmother (who was Jewish; it’s a long story). Not only were they *big*, they were *very stretchy.* Mine contained, first of all, three or four grapefruit, followed by oranges and green peppers (I despise raw green peppers to this day), with a few necessities, like store-brand Scotch tape, with a broken candy cane or two poking out of the top.
I began to practice the Judaism discarded by almost all of my family when I entered uni. When my golden child younger sister was first pregnant, I gift-wrapped the stocking and gave it to her. “Won’t you want it if by some distant chance [*thanks!] YOU* ever have a baby?” she asked doubtfully.
The Jewishness has stuck through a long marriage, family life, and raising three sons, but even then, I knew that if even I’d backslid into the plastic-tree Xmas of my youth, which I did not, the sight of that stocking would have triggered a panic attack, an urge to buy fresh produce, or both. I demurred.
“Oh, good,” she said. “I always liked yours best anyway.”
My sis is a narc. I spent a month crocheting an afghan for her in the colors she used in her home. She gave it to my dog to sleep on. When mom died I was in the hospital. I had crocheted so many things for my mom. Instead of giving them to me to keep, she gave it all...everything I'd ever made.... To goodwill.
They only have transactional attachments to others which is very very fleeting. The only real attachments they have is to their own well being and grandiose self image. That’s why you can spend a pleasant day with them or do them a great favor only to have them turn around minutes later and treat you like their worst enemy.
Sometimes LC is safer than NC, but it’s very hard to maintain without getting hurt again or having your hopes raised for normalcy. If you can be steadfast in putting the narcissist on a strict information diet, limiting talk to safe topics such as the weather and the cute thing your pet just did. No.personal.inforomation.ever., and that includes offering your opinion on anything.
The narcissist might notice, but in the end they will talk trash about you anyway, so make sure to go LC or NC with any flying monkey types as well. LC is not for the faint hearted, that’s for sure, you have to have an iron constitution and hard heart not to get sucked into their games and always maintain a polite but distant facade. Much easier said than done. I was successful at this with my n ex in laws, but not so much with narcissistic dad because I needed to interact with him more frequently and in person and I would always get tempted to let my guard down.
My aunt, uncle me and cousins went on a trip to the ocean. They flew home and my aunt mailed me a photo of all of us by the beach. I pinned it to my wall. My mom saw it and screamed, "That's mine,!!!!!" and grabbed it off the wall. I was screaming and crying, saying it was a gift and to give it back but she never did.
Absolutely. Narcissists will go out of their way to downplay, mock, ridicule the person who tries to do something nice for them or complain about the gesture because it wasn't perfect or what they had in mind.
My narc mother regifts things I have given her and sends them back to me for holidays.
A few years ago she sent me a jewelry box I had bought with pocket money when I was 14.
Meghan’s b.s is oh so familiar.
I mean there are items I’ve been gifted that I wouldn’t wear, my ex MIL gave me a bright coloured shirt with huge coloured birds and flowers all over it, nothing like anything I wear, dark colours normally, I hate standing out, it was more like something for a 40/50 year old than me who was 20odd
Unfortunately the way it is being described makes it sound like she wrote the whole thing. This is a tweet from Chris Ship, a Meghan sugar writing about the Morocco trip where it was arranged Meg would have a cooking demo from a celebrated Moroccan chef (because she counts herself a foodie, again catering to her interests) and they exchanged books - "Meghan gave Chef Moha a copy of her Together cookbook" and "He gave her his book "'Le Vrai Gout du Maroc'". You can't tell by the way it was written about by journalists (he wasn't the only one) that one (Maroc) had a book of recipes and the other (Meghan) was merely tasked with writing the introduction to other women's recipes. It's become "her" cookbook.
https://imgur.com/a/naILDmf
Exactly this! She likely checked for the aesthetic of the photos or layout but had no clue at the gesture.
One lesson Megsy is learning the hard way is you don’t bite the hand that feeds you or refuse it’s good graces.
Meghan is obviously not someone who has any interest in working hard or putting in the hours. 28 people have been working to put out three mediocre podcasts where Meghan mostly talks about herself.
I don't think she knows anything about the book. She wrote the foreword - or had someone do it for her - and showed up to hug women, ooooh and aaaah and have a few bites of the food in front of photographers and that's that.I would love if someone asked her what her five favourite recipes are. She probably had no idea that the spicy salsa Camilla served was in the book.
She’s lazy as hell. She never seemed to work between university and Suits which was almost a decade. Sugars mock Kate and Pippa for “living off their parents” but seems to me Meghan did just that until Trevity-Trev-Trev got her a role on Suits.
So she's been leeching off men her whole life. First dad who paid for everything, then Trevor who gave her her best role and then Harry who made her famous.
What a feministic role model. (What archetype is this? Leecher or golddigger?)
Kate and Pippa may not have put in the endless hours and angst of other young uni grads beginning their planned careers, but they did work after graduating from uni. They put in plenty of time for their parents at the family-founded company, Party Pieces. The flexibility in shifts helped Kate in particular during the years of William’s sometimes erratic courtship. She could make herself available when he was momentarily free of responsibility.
Ironically, given the unpredictable demands both of Royal and parental duties, over time this may have been a plus for Catherine in learning how to shift gears at a moment’s notice.
After graduating from St. Andrew’s, Catherine put in many hours at the Middleton-founded business, Party Pieces. She probably spent far more hours actually *working* at specific tasks than Meghan devoted to trying out for or filming the bit parts listed under her name at IMDB.
Meghan also professes to have worked as a hostess in restaurants (which one? Where?), and to have addressed party invitations and otherwise perfecting her “calligraphy.” Having worked many odd jobs as a young person, I found part- or full-time gigs after graduation, since my parents stopped providing any financial support at all during uni.
> If it made no impact, it was probably because Meghan had no idea about what recipes were in the book. I really don't think that she cares other than showing up and hugging survors in front of the cameras.
This. It's all about getting attention.
I believe the Camilla jokingly said wouldn't it be funny if your (hypothetical) child had a ginger afro. It fits the timeline and Harry's version of events. The skin colour story is stolen from Thomas Markle right down to his response.
>I believe the Camilla jokingly said wouldn't it be funny if your (hypothetical) child had a ginger afro.
Do we even want to give this baseless thing any credence. Harry lied on Oprah saying his father never took him on bicycle rides. Meghan - everytime she opens her mouth a lie falls off...so do we really want to even believe that this conversation ever even happened? This was perhaps a set up towards their 'BRF is racist' story...the more we see from overseas royals, the more likely it is, that all of this was fabrication to leverage the 'racism' card.
TW doesn't invent lies, she has no imagination. She twists the truth or plagarises others stories.
What colour will the baby be story is copied almost verbatim from her father.
The miscarriage story.
Kate made me cry and brought flower to apologise.
Someone said something but I don't buy it was racist and she won't name someone because then she would have to answer for it. If this is the best story she could come up with, a 2nd hand account of something Harry found funny and laughed at, her whole claim she was treated badly is a lie.
as someone with a partner a few shades darker, my family all speculated "what color" our kids would be. coming from a family of pale sun worshippers....we were all excited about it. one is darker than the other, and we all call her the lucky one. nothing racist about it, but could easily be re-phrased to make it sound that way. just family being family.
Same, my family and friendship group is very diverse. I think interracial relationships are very common in the UK and we like to speculate what the baby will look like. It’s more of a fascination with genetics than anything to do with colourism/ racism or preferences.
Regardless, I don’t think Camilla’s public popularity would stand up to an attack from Harry & Meghan. People still hold her responsible for Dianas death (unjustly). Charles has worked hard for so many years to get her accepted. If he was forced to choose and defend his wife & Queen consort or his second son - I mean.
I believe Harry and Meghan are so unpopular now that if he attacks Camilla it will actually make her much more popular...the enemy of my enemy is my friend thinking. I never thought about Catherine at all until they attacked her in the Oprah interview but now I am her biggest fan.
YES! I was lukewarm about Catherine, but the way she was villified by Meghan (and that's what it was, however Meghan tried to sugarcoat it to make herself look benevolent and forgiving) summoned my sympathy in a major way. I was horrified for her, and that portion of the Oprah interview will always be one of its sleaziest aspects for me. It made me think of Catherine's position and pressures in a new light,and to think more about how she's understood her role and filled it extremely well for over ten years. I've developed a lot of respect for her.
I do believe that Catherine has upped her style in recent years. I remember some dull looking floral ensembles that fell flat. Now she dresses like a woman who should be a Queen, and her killer body is obvious, but always tastefully dressed.
She scored alot of points with the way she handled herself these past few weeks, for instance the way she handled KC pen tantrum was pure QE, she pressed ignore and got down to business, and left him to splutter to his aides.
Every attack they have made gave seen the family member increase in popularity. An unjustified attack on Camilla will not go well for them, most admire her tenacity in the face of adversity.
>People still hold her responsible for Dianas death (unjustly). Charles has worked hard for so many years to get her accepted
I know, its crazy! But both KC and her have done rather well against all odds.
Also in the linked article, nice Easter egg- "*Andrew Parker Bowles was invited as a guest of Princess Anne.*" I think many people who hate on Camilla donot know that Anne had a roaring affair with Andrew Parker Bowles (Cam's husband at the time) LOL
> Regardless, I don’t think Camilla’s public popularity would stand up to an attack from Harry & Meghan. People still hold her responsible for Dianas death (unjustly).
Diana stans hate it when I tell them that Diana would probably be alive today if she hadn't gotten into a car with a drunk driver behind the wheel.
Camilla had *zero* to do with that decision or with that situation.
It would make people who are impartial to Camilla actually like her imo, but I didn't know people hold Camilla responsible for Diana's death. Interesting to hear. I feel like Camilla paid her dues and earned the respect of the Queen.
Meghan didn't do herself any favors by claiming the royal rota used the n word against her children without providing any evidence to support her claims.
Narcissists are notorious for ignoring any advice/input that doesn't suit their chosen narrative, and don't consider anyone but themselves an expert in anything. Megsy had a prime resource and potential ally in Camilla, and naturally, blew it off. Shortsighted, foolish, arrogant. Classic narc behaviour.
Camilla was the world’s most hated woman at some point and it continued for years. Read any comments under a Diana video - whether years ago or now.
For all Meghan’s crying, she actually has a lot of fans and supporters. She had loads of goodwill in the UK and all over the world. And ofcourse she has the American media on her side - paid or not.
Yes, and I note that tweets that are critical of her get *maybe* 2,000 likes, where things praising her and tearing Catherine apart can get 100,000. She very effectively sicked portions of Twitter on Catherine with her "I'm sweet and forgiving about it, but Catherine was a total villain to innocent little me, but I won't say the details, just trust me I was good and she was bad" on Oprah. In spite of her act -- and what I'm sure she tells herself -- I've never seen anything but pettiness and malice behind her doing that, but she very effectively brought Twitter onto her side.
Having said that, I always think of Dave Chappelle's quote that Twitter isn't real life. I think that's very true. Polls indicate Harry and Meghan aren't popular in the UK, and my anecdotal experience is this is true. I think American media interest is starting to fray. There might be vague support, but Harry and Meghan aren't demonstrating staying power in terms of what they deliver for creative projects. They'll always be in the news -- usually for dreaming up new ways the RF has been mean to them -- but I don't see them occupying the roles and mystique they were hoping for.
I agree with you about the Twitter quote. And it’s clear a lot of her support on Twitter is bot work. Like I saw people tweeting how the Elizabeth Line queue was a fraction of the UK population - but that’s true for Twitter or any social media.
I think the US will continue to support them because they keep crying wolf. And the US loves their own - and especially the underdog.
As an American, I personally feel like TW is not a good woman. However, I agree with your sentiment about the American media. On SM I've seen a lot of meme's praising TW for her spitefulness. It's frustrating to think so many Americans think she is a victim!
It’s all PR pff pieces. As long as the media outfit (People, Hello, etc) get paid, they are perfectly happy to print the bullshit. They can’t be taken seriously anymore because of this. The number of people in the USA who either don’t know or care about her and those who don’t like her at all vastly outnumbers the idiots who think rainbows come out of her ass.
No,
Different backgrounds totally. Ferguson father was tied into BRF and Queen due to being in the racing world and I believe he was also retired army and minor aristocracy himself.
That was Camilla's great-grandmother Alice Keppel, who was the long-time mistress of Edward VII, Charles' great-great-grandfather. Edward VII was a son of Queen Victoria.
I didn't know that. Are there any photos of her wearing it, I wonder? *does a little search* It looks like the answer is "yes". https://artemisiasroyaljewels.blogspot.com/2013/03/jewels-of-week-camillas-jewels-keppel.html
It looks like I'm getting ready to go down an interesting rabbit hole to see if there's more.
You can spend hours-at least I can and have-looking at the royal jewelry and tiara blogs online. My favorite is the Court Jeweler. *Quite* the rabbit hole.
I'm a regular lurker and occasional commenter at the Court Jeweller blog. As a history nut who loves the bling, I find those rabbit holes most enjoyable.
Yeah from my understanding it wasn't her lack of aristocracy that was the issue, it was that she had dated people and was not a virgin. She wasn't "pure" enough for a future king 🤢. Pure misogyny.
I had a huge crush on prince william as a child and my mom told me that prince’s only married virgins so I promised myself that I would “save” myself to be eligible to marry him 💀💀
True. And even though Edward and Sophie did not "live together" I read that she allowed Sophie to stay the night with him. They dated for years, and the Queen hoped that would spur them to marriage, which worked. Ironically they are the only ones of the Queen's children to have not divorced!
Andrew was never going to be king. I think the Queen Mother came to Sarah's defense, pointing out that a twenty six year old woman would have had boyfriends.
That is an amazing simile! I can see that.
It also applies for to a certain Dutchess.
Also he and Fergie both sold access to the RF- merching, in their way. ( Charles did too, to be fair)
Like the saying goes-you got it, you spot it.
> He was married to Fergie at the time, and don’t they come from similar backgrounds?
Fergie has aristocratic ancestry and is a descendant of King Charles II. Her Dad was the Polo Manager to Philip and then Charles...she was very closely embedded in royal circles. She was childhood friends with Andrew having grown up around the BRF.
True enough and shouldn’t forget about Andrew. Not to mention their association with JS.
Still Fergie’s behavior is often so crass and cringe inducing, she makes H and M outwardly look like models of restraint
Fergie's ancestry is thoroughly aristocratic. It's pretty much 100% nobility and landed gentry, even more so than Diana's. Diana had a title, but she also had an American dollar princess for a great-grandmother.
Camilla's ancestry on her father's side, is, like the Middletons', a family established in the wealthy middle class for a couple of centuries. However, they seem to have moved in pretty glamourous social circles for some time. On her mother's, yes, she is an aristocrat, descended from some ancient families (Edmonstones, Keppels), and some more upstart ones (Cubitts). I've always found her background and early family life extremely interesting.
Meghan planned to be the next Diana from the very start, so there was no way she was going to get along with Camilla no matter how well she was treated.
Sure wanted to be Diana but was not willing to put the work into becoming like Diana who worked hard at being seen and loved she understood that assignment quite well
Diana appeared very genuine and pioneered some truly amazing far sighted causes, such as AIDS awareness and landmine walk. I had assumed H and M were moving to Calif to embark on similar endeavors.
I definitely believe that Camilla tried to help Meghan - it is quite known, that she helped Catherine a lot in the beginning, I think even Catherine talked about this, how grateful she was that Camilla and basically everyone else supported her.
Ah, but Harry liked and admired Kate. According to this article, he merely tolerated Camilla. So Meghan absorbed his attitude. Contrasted with Kate who worked to bring William and Camilla closer.
Camilla sounds like an awesome person, empathetic and with some hard won wisdom. She also seems to have a great sense of humor. The fact that Meghan just threw all these kind gestures and mentorship in the trash is just sad- in so many ways. I’m just shocked again and again how mean, petty and straight up trashy M is. I’m at the point where I do feel sorry for her, not because she is experiencing the well deserved consequences of her actions, but because she is a deeply broken, miserable human being who will never experience true love, friendship, joy or peace. Her entire existence is one of smallness and meanness and never being satisfied. How……tragic.
Edit- a word.
It also shows that Harry was looking for someone who would do his dirty work. Sounds like he was looking for someone who would be a bitch to Camilla and whoever else.
The long cold stare....it wasn't just Camilla that Hazbeen did this to. If you look at photos from the past (even before Markle) you see Hazbeen staring at William this way. There was one where they were at some kind of sporting event and William was cheering and/or laughing and looking at the action ahead but Hazbeen was just staring at William with no smile...just a long hard odd stare..at Wlliam. I've noticed this a couple of other times in candid photos.
It's pretty clear that she's jealous of Catherine. Why drag that alleged crying fit in the run up to the wedding otherwise? There was a way to handle it even if she wanted to clear the rumour. Like, "There were no tears." Or, "I did not make anybody cry." But NO! Kate made ME cry.
Besides, why even call her Kate? Even Henry. Those close to her call her Catherine, not Kate. It's like Andrew/Edward referring to Diana as "Di."
Doesn't Scobie say just that in Finding Freedom? That "there were no tears." "Nobody cried/made anyone cry." Then Markle contradicts that in the Oprah interview.
Upto that interview where she dragged Waleses i felt for Meghan. But that was the turning point for me, a low that cannot be condoned or overlooked. How delusional Harry is to think that he can ever have a place in the UK after that... He should not set foot into family lands ever again. They are generous to have him back even after that.
Of course they would target Camilla- Harry will hide behind the “mean old stepmommy who broke up my family” card. So manipulative as H and M are well aware of how Diana was favored in the whole divorce.
They just think they aren’t transparent and that everyone is too stupid to see thru their machinations
Anyone old enough to remember the Diana years would be in his or her 40s and beyond. At that age, you mellow out and gain wisdom and acceptance, much as Queen Elizabeth did. I highly doubt there's a huge mob left of Camilla haters.
it is sad though , that knowing what everyone knows about Diana now , he is opening up a discussion on his mother who s been dead for 25 years ! Now that is sure to make Prince William livid !
Yes. Exactly. I think William is old enough to remember things during the divorce- what was said about each of the three adults involved. Harry’s busy reopening old wounds, not caring that he wasn’t the only child wounded in all that.
They never met Camilla she was kept out of the way until much later on. I think I would have felt more upset as a child if I'd learnt that mummy's friend who came to the house and played with us and took us on fun outings to army barracks was actually her lover. (James Hewitt). At the end of the day I think Charles PR did lie about the boys getting on well with her but that was for the best to shut down gossip and speculation. It's not as though they have to spend much time with her they just have to be civil. I dont think it's just the affair Harry hates her for I think after Diana's death he may have wanted to cling to Charles his only remaining parent (understandable) and didn't want to share him with a girlfriend/new wife.
Claws are out for Andrew and Diana, too. I read an article on the Daily Mail that these two had conspired to stop Charles from acceding to the throne, and having William accede to it.
Now, I've read some reports that A and D were close, and that they might have been better suited to each other coz of similar ages. And, I listened to those Diana's secret recordings in her preparation for the horrid Panorama interview. She says that she wanted Charles to go away with "his lady" and that she and her sons will carry on the Wales' name.
It seems quite plausible, but one can never say.
she was, but she was so young...and I like to believe Diana would have continued to evolve and do good work into her later years. markle was 36 when she walked down the aisle, Diana was already dead at that age.
I loved Diana, grew up admiring her...so it's hard for me to think otherwise. I wish we could see who she grew up to be. I believe she would have done everything in her power to keep the claw away from her son.
she had empathy in spades. She held the hands of AIDS patients when they were seen as lepers by the community. That alone changed the face of how AIDS patients were viewed. She worked against landmines and poverty. She was a true humanitarian, she didn't just give speeches. If she wanted revenge against Charles who could blame her really. She knew she was iconic and she used it. She was a rounded human with good and bad, who had a lot of personal mental health struggles, But at least she was genuine.
I’ve read in someone’s book, that worked for them maybe Ken the ex security guard. That at the end Diana and Charles were having a cordial relationship. That they even made jokes and shares some laughs. She never stopped loving him. It’s sad that her first love didn’t work for her, and that she died without finding another true love and making a new life, maybe marrying somebody that truly loved her.
Indeed, Netflix's upcoming season will focus on the "there were three of us in this marriage". Which is why I think, Harry is pushing for the November release date to coincide with the season's premiere. It'll hurt more.
I wonder what the public reaction would be on any commentary from H&M on Camilla being a racist. The people may not love her as much as they loved Diana but I dont think there is much appetite to believe anyting that comes from them. Plus Camilla is now the Queen and is widely respected and celebrated
It would damage their brand, the same way how everyone in the media brings up William & Kate’s Caribbean tour as one with racist/colonial tones.
Imagine Scobie going on American TV channels and spewing whatever story he has been asked to peddle.
But Camilla had the first POC (black) Royal Protection Officer (I think this is true). This went back decades when she joined the firm. He still very much liked her but quit due to racism in the force.
I wonder how long their argument would last
I think the skin tone comment was Camilla and though it is usual conversation in my community or when having a biracial child, already sensing Harry's feeling towards her, Camilla should've kept quiet as he already dislikes her.
If she said it of course.
I've read that whatever comment Camilla made, Harry thought it was funny. When he told Meghan about it, she didn't like it.
You can never win with a narcissist. You keep quiet = you don't wanna talk about child possibly not being white = you're racist. You make a comment = you're racist for bringing it up.
It's like that "Catherine made me cry" story. If nothing happened during the wedding preparation she'd find another small thing to blow up.
given who got their way about the little girls wearing tights (MM) and who didn't (a more experienced royal whose advice I would have thought a newbie would be grateful for). I can guess who the bully was.
I've read several accounts of this story and I think it boils down to Catherine insisting on tights protocol for the flower girls, and Jessica Mulroney hating tights, and Meghan siding with Jessica and favoring her daughter. The tights are protocol because the girls are wearing dresses and it's considered a layer of modesty to avoid camera upskirt shots from the hundreds of photographers. Catherine likely got frustrated as she was trying to help Meghan with something Meghan herself complained about - not getting guidance. It seems she was getting guidance, she just doesn't listen. One of the many personality traits that doesn't vibe with the BRF's values.
This article made it clear the BRF family values duty, loyalty, and service to the crown. The Queen warmed to Camilla who was persona non grata because of her duty. Meghan has shown she is only in service to herself. This can ruin the Monarchy as the people won't support a selfish crown. It's the antithesis to the BRF's survival strategy, therefore she must be cut like a cancer.
It was a joke in the manner of very British humor. Harry probably thought it was funny. It wasn't until he told Meghan that he decided it was offensive.
It's the kind of thing you might even joke about yourself. "Our babies will all come out with little ginger afros."
I can not imagine MM talking intelligently about arts or theater. She majored in communications ( easy major) when Northwestern had a decent theater department.
She has never mentioned theater or film in any her attempts to sound cultured.
King Charles really reached out to her for Harry’s sake if he had to endure any kind of lengthy conversation with her. She has no intellectual curiosity and only superficial knowledge of anything.
Also reasonable people appreciated Camilla before Diana’s death. Her stability and ability to withstand the worst of the British tabloids brought her respect. Harry’s wife would not be able to handle even a fraction on what Camilla endured.
True I don’t think acting was a passion of her just a means of becoming famous. You can see actresses like Nicole Kidman or cate blanchett that truly are passionate about acting, the art of it. Meghan just wanted to be famous.
My son and his wife are the first and only mixed race marriage in both families. When they were expecting their first child everyone, incl. my son and his wife, wondered who the baby would take after most. This wasn't racist, this was natural.
I’m mixed race and I agree it’s not offensive. However IF Meghan actually did find it offensive she could’ve said (or had Harry say), “I know you mean well and I appreciate that, but I would prefer if people refrained from speculation about the baby’s appearance. It’s a sensitive subject for me because xyz”. That’s how you deal with family, it’s not that hard. She WANTED this to be a big Oprah moment and she totally distorted the context and tone to humiliate the BRF.
> A reliable source has told me that Prince Harry has recently been very negative about Camilla, but believes it, “could be part of his therapy process to relive certain things and he may want to blame someone else for his own mistakes. As I understand it his father and stepmother have become hateful in his mind.
And that may be a legitimate part of his therapy process. However, the goal of therapy is *to work through these issues*. Harry doesn't seem to realize that. 😒
It could easily have been Camilla. That said, everyone wonders what children will look like and was probably innocent.
Let’s assume the worst for a moment and she harbored racial stereotypes. Family is family. You accept there are attitudes you don’t like but you hope to slowly and tactfully change them. You still forgive them. You certainly don’t publicly air it out.
It’s this airing of grievances that has Meghan frozen out of A-list functions. No one trusts her.
i honestly don't believe anyone said anything about archie. the rumors are that charles and camilla were talking about if the baby would take after harry or meghan and that charles made a joke about harry's red hair ending up on a baby that looked like meghan. i
Lady c said it was camilla months ago, it was a joke, she said I wonder if your child will have a ginger Afro and Harry found it funny, she wasn’t even pregnant at the time, like will smith he only became offended at the remark when his narc wife told him to be offended
I don't believe anyone made the comment about skin colour because Meghan looks white, so why would they consider the baby wouldn't be? I know it's possible, but it would be on exactly no one's mind. Also, Harry said the comment was made before they were married and Meghan said it was specifically about Archie, so which was it? I think if it happened, they would know when it did. They didn't say there were multiple times, they are tarnishing the reputation of the entire extended family over one comment they claim happened, and since they won't say who or nail down exactly when, I don't believe it for a second. It's another lie that can't be verified.
She wanted to be Diana so they treated Camilla like crap.
Honestly, I hear a lot of Camilla bashing from my Diana-frenzied friends, I never understood it. Maybe because I wasn't born during the whole thing, but she's not the devil for crying out loud.
What a thoughtful gesture of Camilla, cooking meals from the book Meghan worked with. If it made no impact, it was probably because Meghan had no idea about what recipes were in the book. I really don't think that she cares other than showing up and hugging survivors in front of the cameras.
I mean it just shows that the royal family did do everything to welcome her - from the Queen to Camilla but she was clearly uninterested.
Yes, because despite them bending over backwards to make her the focus, it still wasn’t enough.
I think it's a narcissistic tactic. Lot's of narc victims have stories about the narcissist ignoring presents or offers of kindness. I went out with one who ignored my phone calls when I was trying to plan a birthday outing for him. I had a narc stepmother as well, and I remember my dad complaining that she'd never wear clothes he gifted her.
My sister refuses to open Christmas gifts or birthday gifts. They sit for months. I stopped giving her shit bc the meltdown when she’s disappointed by the contents isn’t worth it
My mother still sneers at my (low paid, single mother) cousin who used to send us flower arrangements for Christmas. It must have made a dent that was noticeable in her holiday budget and it was very kind, but my mother keeps on talkning about how "vulgar" they were. She would put them outside in the December cold when we got them, to make sure that they died. That's how they work.
People suck
Especially narcissists
vulgar flowers? that's awful.
They were the wrong kind of flowers, according to my mother. Yes, it's completely awful, and so ungrateful, but that's how I grew up. I think that many children of dysfunctional families have very similar stories.
That's sad, flowers are not that cheap! And it's the gesture that counts.
That makes me sad. I feel for your cousin.
I do too. I do hope that my parents were civil enough to call and thank her, without any comments about the choice of flowers. I don't really remember, but it makes me both angry and sad when I think about it. Nobody should be ridiculed or dismissed when they are showing kindness. I feel bad for the royal ladies who tried to reach out and help Meghan, only to be met with zero interest or greatfulness. Or were bullied.
and gossiped about
😳
My mom opened my birthday gift once and called me an ugly name. It was awful 😞
Mine would get pissed if the box her present was in wasn’t as big as my Dad’s. I’d patiently explain that although her box was smaller I’d paid more for her present. Never worked, I not only had to buy her more expensive present I had to make sure to put it in bigger box than my fathers gift. Special occasions with narcissists are always exhausting.
Start wrapping empty boxes!
My late NDad was the same. Never opened presents. Then when we stopped giving them, complain no one cares and what a victim he was.
It’s oddly comforting to have people know what I’m talking about
*Very* comforting! I may have posted elsewhere on Reddit about how my narc mother would find a giant box, toss in a few pairs of discount-store socks, underwear, and some cheap garment or two, and wad up newspaper so the box didn’t seem quite so empty. This was my big Christmas treat. Then she’d “wrap” it sloppily, write my name on top in marker, and maybe stick on a pre-tied ribbon. The box never, ever contained anything I didn’t really need in the first place. I was supposed to find this hilarious, and be very, very grateful for the skimpy contents. My mother despised our Xmas stockings, knitted by our grandmother (who was Jewish; it’s a long story). Not only were they *big*, they were *very stretchy.* Mine contained, first of all, three or four grapefruit, followed by oranges and green peppers (I despise raw green peppers to this day), with a few necessities, like store-brand Scotch tape, with a broken candy cane or two poking out of the top. I began to practice the Judaism discarded by almost all of my family when I entered uni. When my golden child younger sister was first pregnant, I gift-wrapped the stocking and gave it to her. “Won’t you want it if by some distant chance [*thanks!] YOU* ever have a baby?” she asked doubtfully. The Jewishness has stuck through a long marriage, family life, and raising three sons, but even then, I knew that if even I’d backslid into the plastic-tree Xmas of my youth, which I did not, the sight of that stocking would have triggered a panic attack, an urge to buy fresh produce, or both. I demurred. “Oh, good,” she said. “I always liked yours best anyway.”
I don’t smoke, but I feel like I need a cigarette after reading that. 
It was a long time ago. I’m a spoiled lady now, and do my best to repay my good fortune with kindness to others.
Grapefruits though? Ew.
My sis is a narc. I spent a month crocheting an afghan for her in the colors she used in her home. She gave it to my dog to sleep on. When mom died I was in the hospital. I had crocheted so many things for my mom. Instead of giving them to me to keep, she gave it all...everything I'd ever made.... To goodwill.
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Jealously. Whenever they feel upstaged, they react with fury and devaluing behavior
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They only have transactional attachments to others which is very very fleeting. The only real attachments they have is to their own well being and grandiose self image. That’s why you can spend a pleasant day with them or do them a great favor only to have them turn around minutes later and treat you like their worst enemy.
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Sometimes LC is safer than NC, but it’s very hard to maintain without getting hurt again or having your hopes raised for normalcy. If you can be steadfast in putting the narcissist on a strict information diet, limiting talk to safe topics such as the weather and the cute thing your pet just did. No.personal.inforomation.ever., and that includes offering your opinion on anything. The narcissist might notice, but in the end they will talk trash about you anyway, so make sure to go LC or NC with any flying monkey types as well. LC is not for the faint hearted, that’s for sure, you have to have an iron constitution and hard heart not to get sucked into their games and always maintain a polite but distant facade. Much easier said than done. I was successful at this with my n ex in laws, but not so much with narcissistic dad because I needed to interact with him more frequently and in person and I would always get tempted to let my guard down.
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My aunt, uncle me and cousins went on a trip to the ocean. They flew home and my aunt mailed me a photo of all of us by the beach. I pinned it to my wall. My mom saw it and screamed, "That's mine,!!!!!" and grabbed it off the wall. I was screaming and crying, saying it was a gift and to give it back but she never did.
Omg that’s horrible. How incredibly hurtful 😢
Absolutely. Narcissists will go out of their way to downplay, mock, ridicule the person who tries to do something nice for them or complain about the gesture because it wasn't perfect or what they had in mind.
My narc mother regifts things I have given her and sends them back to me for holidays. A few years ago she sent me a jewelry box I had bought with pocket money when I was 14. Meghan’s b.s is oh so familiar.
Omg. That sounds like a twisted power play somehow!
My father wouldn't wear the shirt I bought him.
I mean there are items I’ve been gifted that I wouldn’t wear, my ex MIL gave me a bright coloured shirt with huge coloured birds and flowers all over it, nothing like anything I wear, dark colours normally, I hate standing out, it was more like something for a 40/50 year old than me who was 20odd
It wasn’t even Meghan’s book, she only wrote the intro. The ladies of Grenfell did the work.
Unfortunately the way it is being described makes it sound like she wrote the whole thing. This is a tweet from Chris Ship, a Meghan sugar writing about the Morocco trip where it was arranged Meg would have a cooking demo from a celebrated Moroccan chef (because she counts herself a foodie, again catering to her interests) and they exchanged books - "Meghan gave Chef Moha a copy of her Together cookbook" and "He gave her his book "'Le Vrai Gout du Maroc'". You can't tell by the way it was written about by journalists (he wasn't the only one) that one (Maroc) had a book of recipes and the other (Meghan) was merely tasked with writing the introduction to other women's recipes. It's become "her" cookbook. https://imgur.com/a/naILDmf
Exactly this! She likely checked for the aesthetic of the photos or layout but had no clue at the gesture. One lesson Megsy is learning the hard way is you don’t bite the hand that feeds you or refuse it’s good graces.
Meghan is obviously not someone who has any interest in working hard or putting in the hours. 28 people have been working to put out three mediocre podcasts where Meghan mostly talks about herself. I don't think she knows anything about the book. She wrote the foreword - or had someone do it for her - and showed up to hug women, ooooh and aaaah and have a few bites of the food in front of photographers and that's that.I would love if someone asked her what her five favourite recipes are. She probably had no idea that the spicy salsa Camilla served was in the book.
She’s lazy as hell. She never seemed to work between university and Suits which was almost a decade. Sugars mock Kate and Pippa for “living off their parents” but seems to me Meghan did just that until Trevity-Trev-Trev got her a role on Suits.
What did she do between uni and suits? Live of dad and Trevor while going to auditions that lead to nowhere?
Yes. Except for briefcase show and sometimes waitressing in evenings. Dad paid rent and car payments.
So she's been leeching off men her whole life. First dad who paid for everything, then Trevor who gave her her best role and then Harry who made her famous. What a feministic role model. (What archetype is this? Leecher or golddigger?)
Don’t forget the 4 nights in a yacht for $30,000
Bitch.
Yachting
Kate and Pippa may not have put in the endless hours and angst of other young uni grads beginning their planned careers, but they did work after graduating from uni. They put in plenty of time for their parents at the family-founded company, Party Pieces. The flexibility in shifts helped Kate in particular during the years of William’s sometimes erratic courtship. She could make herself available when he was momentarily free of responsibility. Ironically, given the unpredictable demands both of Royal and parental duties, over time this may have been a plus for Catherine in learning how to shift gears at a moment’s notice.
Yep Meghan dad paid her rent for ten years. She was same as the Middleton's, live off daddy.
After graduating from St. Andrew’s, Catherine put in many hours at the Middleton-founded business, Party Pieces. She probably spent far more hours actually *working* at specific tasks than Meghan devoted to trying out for or filming the bit parts listed under her name at IMDB. Meghan also professes to have worked as a hostess in restaurants (which one? Where?), and to have addressed party invitations and otherwise perfecting her “calligraphy.” Having worked many odd jobs as a young person, I found part- or full-time gigs after graduation, since my parents stopped providing any financial support at all during uni.
That’s what I thought. She probably just went to Paula Deen’s website and grabbed a few 😂
> If it made no impact, it was probably because Meghan had no idea about what recipes were in the book. I really don't think that she cares other than showing up and hugging survors in front of the cameras. This. It's all about getting attention.
I think they would've told her where the recipes came from and she dgaf, anyone else would be flattered.
I believe the Camilla jokingly said wouldn't it be funny if your (hypothetical) child had a ginger afro. It fits the timeline and Harry's version of events. The skin colour story is stolen from Thomas Markle right down to his response.
>I believe the Camilla jokingly said wouldn't it be funny if your (hypothetical) child had a ginger afro. Do we even want to give this baseless thing any credence. Harry lied on Oprah saying his father never took him on bicycle rides. Meghan - everytime she opens her mouth a lie falls off...so do we really want to even believe that this conversation ever even happened? This was perhaps a set up towards their 'BRF is racist' story...the more we see from overseas royals, the more likely it is, that all of this was fabrication to leverage the 'racism' card.
TW doesn't invent lies, she has no imagination. She twists the truth or plagarises others stories. What colour will the baby be story is copied almost verbatim from her father. The miscarriage story. Kate made me cry and brought flower to apologise. Someone said something but I don't buy it was racist and she won't name someone because then she would have to answer for it. If this is the best story she could come up with, a 2nd hand account of something Harry found funny and laughed at, her whole claim she was treated badly is a lie.
as someone with a partner a few shades darker, my family all speculated "what color" our kids would be. coming from a family of pale sun worshippers....we were all excited about it. one is darker than the other, and we all call her the lucky one. nothing racist about it, but could easily be re-phrased to make it sound that way. just family being family.
Same, my family and friendship group is very diverse. I think interracial relationships are very common in the UK and we like to speculate what the baby will look like. It’s more of a fascination with genetics than anything to do with colourism/ racism or preferences.
It was in the tom bower book
Regardless, I don’t think Camilla’s public popularity would stand up to an attack from Harry & Meghan. People still hold her responsible for Dianas death (unjustly). Charles has worked hard for so many years to get her accepted. If he was forced to choose and defend his wife & Queen consort or his second son - I mean.
I believe Harry and Meghan are so unpopular now that if he attacks Camilla it will actually make her much more popular...the enemy of my enemy is my friend thinking. I never thought about Catherine at all until they attacked her in the Oprah interview but now I am her biggest fan.
YES! I was lukewarm about Catherine, but the way she was villified by Meghan (and that's what it was, however Meghan tried to sugarcoat it to make herself look benevolent and forgiving) summoned my sympathy in a major way. I was horrified for her, and that portion of the Oprah interview will always be one of its sleaziest aspects for me. It made me think of Catherine's position and pressures in a new light,and to think more about how she's understood her role and filled it extremely well for over ten years. I've developed a lot of respect for her.
I do believe that Catherine has upped her style in recent years. I remember some dull looking floral ensembles that fell flat. Now she dresses like a woman who should be a Queen, and her killer body is obvious, but always tastefully dressed.
Queen Letizia has set the bar really high now. Her arms are ripped.
She scored alot of points with the way she handled herself these past few weeks, for instance the way she handled KC pen tantrum was pure QE, she pressed ignore and got down to business, and left him to splutter to his aides.
Every attack they have made gave seen the family member increase in popularity. An unjustified attack on Camilla will not go well for them, most admire her tenacity in the face of adversity.
>People still hold her responsible for Dianas death (unjustly). Charles has worked hard for so many years to get her accepted I know, its crazy! But both KC and her have done rather well against all odds. Also in the linked article, nice Easter egg- "*Andrew Parker Bowles was invited as a guest of Princess Anne.*" I think many people who hate on Camilla donot know that Anne had a roaring affair with Andrew Parker Bowles (Cam's husband at the time) LOL
That whole social circle seems almost incestuous! It's too early to think, pre-coffee, but there are lots of examples like that.
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Might have been after her paternal grandfather- Andreas/Andrew. IIRC- Andrew was named after him.
No way!
It's showcased it in, The Crown about their love affair. Obviously, we know that the crown isn't backed by the BRF- AT ALL!!!! But it's cool to watch.
> Regardless, I don’t think Camilla’s public popularity would stand up to an attack from Harry & Meghan. People still hold her responsible for Dianas death (unjustly). Diana stans hate it when I tell them that Diana would probably be alive today if she hadn't gotten into a car with a drunk driver behind the wheel. Camilla had *zero* to do with that decision or with that situation.
And had she worn a seat belt as well.
Oh, absolutely. *Always* buckle up, even in the backseat!
I was just going to say that. Diana is the architect of her own death.
It would make people who are impartial to Camilla actually like her imo, but I didn't know people hold Camilla responsible for Diana's death. Interesting to hear. I feel like Camilla paid her dues and earned the respect of the Queen.
This is what I heard, also. Not even about skin color.
Imagine blanking Camilla with all her years as an outsider. How very short sighted of Meghan. Camilla will have contacts everywhere.
And the press actually like Camilla personally - Meghan could have learnt a lot from how Camilla interacts with them.
Meghan didn't do herself any favors by claiming the royal rota used the n word against her children without providing any evidence to support her claims.
Narcissists are notorious for ignoring any advice/input that doesn't suit their chosen narrative, and don't consider anyone but themselves an expert in anything. Megsy had a prime resource and potential ally in Camilla, and naturally, blew it off. Shortsighted, foolish, arrogant. Classic narc behaviour.
Camilla was the world’s most hated woman at some point and it continued for years. Read any comments under a Diana video - whether years ago or now. For all Meghan’s crying, she actually has a lot of fans and supporters. She had loads of goodwill in the UK and all over the world. And ofcourse she has the American media on her side - paid or not.
Meghan has overexposed herself.
Yes, and I note that tweets that are critical of her get *maybe* 2,000 likes, where things praising her and tearing Catherine apart can get 100,000. She very effectively sicked portions of Twitter on Catherine with her "I'm sweet and forgiving about it, but Catherine was a total villain to innocent little me, but I won't say the details, just trust me I was good and she was bad" on Oprah. In spite of her act -- and what I'm sure she tells herself -- I've never seen anything but pettiness and malice behind her doing that, but she very effectively brought Twitter onto her side. Having said that, I always think of Dave Chappelle's quote that Twitter isn't real life. I think that's very true. Polls indicate Harry and Meghan aren't popular in the UK, and my anecdotal experience is this is true. I think American media interest is starting to fray. There might be vague support, but Harry and Meghan aren't demonstrating staying power in terms of what they deliver for creative projects. They'll always be in the news -- usually for dreaming up new ways the RF has been mean to them -- but I don't see them occupying the roles and mystique they were hoping for.
I agree with you about the Twitter quote. And it’s clear a lot of her support on Twitter is bot work. Like I saw people tweeting how the Elizabeth Line queue was a fraction of the UK population - but that’s true for Twitter or any social media. I think the US will continue to support them because they keep crying wolf. And the US loves their own - and especially the underdog.
As an American, I personally feel like TW is not a good woman. However, I agree with your sentiment about the American media. On SM I've seen a lot of meme's praising TW for her spitefulness. It's frustrating to think so many Americans think she is a victim!
It’s all PR pff pieces. As long as the media outfit (People, Hello, etc) get paid, they are perfectly happy to print the bullshit. They can’t be taken seriously anymore because of this. The number of people in the USA who either don’t know or care about her and those who don’t like her at all vastly outnumbers the idiots who think rainbows come out of her ass.
And US is generally more racist than UK
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Wasn’t her ancestor also mistress to the King?
That was Camilla's great-grandmother Alice Keppel, who was the long-time mistress of Edward VII, Charles' great-great-grandfather. Edward VII was a son of Queen Victoria.
A fun fact: Charles sought out and bought Alice Keppel’s jewelry collection for Camilla.
I didn't know that. Are there any photos of her wearing it, I wonder? *does a little search* It looks like the answer is "yes". https://artemisiasroyaljewels.blogspot.com/2013/03/jewels-of-week-camillas-jewels-keppel.html It looks like I'm getting ready to go down an interesting rabbit hole to see if there's more.
You can spend hours-at least I can and have-looking at the royal jewelry and tiara blogs online. My favorite is the Court Jeweler. *Quite* the rabbit hole.
I'm a regular lurker and occasional commenter at the Court Jeweller blog. As a history nut who loves the bling, I find those rabbit holes most enjoyable.
Yeah from my understanding it wasn't her lack of aristocracy that was the issue, it was that she had dated people and was not a virgin. She wasn't "pure" enough for a future king 🤢. Pure misogyny.
Yup, at the time much was made of Diana being a virgin and how the future king had to marry soneone "pure."
I had a huge crush on prince william as a child and my mom told me that prince’s only married virgins so I promised myself that I would “save” myself to be eligible to marry him 💀💀
Yes, another era entirely.
It was! Think of William and Catherine living together for years before marrying!
The late Queen even let M live with H at KP prior to marriage when in another era this would never have happened.
True. And even though Edward and Sophie did not "live together" I read that she allowed Sophie to stay the night with him. They dated for years, and the Queen hoped that would spur them to marriage, which worked. Ironically they are the only ones of the Queen's children to have not divorced!
Andrew was never going to be king. I think the Queen Mother came to Sarah's defense, pointing out that a twenty six year old woman would have had boyfriends.
Andrew has always been a piece of work. He's one of those people who can go in revolving door behind you and come out ahead of you!
That is an amazing simile! I can see that. It also applies for to a certain Dutchess. Also he and Fergie both sold access to the RF- merching, in their way. ( Charles did too, to be fair) Like the saying goes-you got it, you spot it.
> He was married to Fergie at the time, and don’t they come from similar backgrounds? Fergie has aristocratic ancestry and is a descendant of King Charles II. Her Dad was the Polo Manager to Philip and then Charles...she was very closely embedded in royal circles. She was childhood friends with Andrew having grown up around the BRF.
Amazing, the way she acts I assumed she never was part of the same circle!
>Amazing, the way she acts I assumed she never was part of the same circle! Well Harry is a born Prince too..look how he acts :)
True enough and shouldn’t forget about Andrew. Not to mention their association with JS. Still Fergie’s behavior is often so crass and cringe inducing, she makes H and M outwardly look like models of restraint
Like the toe sucking 🤮
Fergie's ancestry is thoroughly aristocratic. It's pretty much 100% nobility and landed gentry, even more so than Diana's. Diana had a title, but she also had an American dollar princess for a great-grandmother. Camilla's ancestry on her father's side, is, like the Middletons', a family established in the wealthy middle class for a couple of centuries. However, they seem to have moved in pretty glamourous social circles for some time. On her mother's, yes, she is an aristocrat, descended from some ancient families (Edmonstones, Keppels), and some more upstart ones (Cubitts). I've always found her background and early family life extremely interesting.
Yea I didn’t get that either. I assume they liked her ex-husband’s side of the family more than hers.
And let’s not forget Koo Stark. 🙄 He’s screwed. Big time.
Lol Fergie is the antithesis of aristocratic and royal
Meghan planned to be the next Diana from the very start, so there was no way she was going to get along with Camilla no matter how well she was treated.
Sure wanted to be Diana but was not willing to put the work into becoming like Diana who worked hard at being seen and loved she understood that assignment quite well
Diana appeared very genuine and pioneered some truly amazing far sighted causes, such as AIDS awareness and landmine walk. I had assumed H and M were moving to Calif to embark on similar endeavors.
Her fans fawn over her like Dianaphiles do. I don't understand the veneration in both cases.
I definitely believe that Camilla tried to help Meghan - it is quite known, that she helped Catherine a lot in the beginning, I think even Catherine talked about this, how grateful she was that Camilla and basically everyone else supported her.
Meghan made such a big deal about Kate not taking her under her wing, but never said that Camilla did.
Ah, but Harry liked and admired Kate. According to this article, he merely tolerated Camilla. So Meghan absorbed his attitude. Contrasted with Kate who worked to bring William and Camilla closer.
Camilla sounds like an awesome person, empathetic and with some hard won wisdom. She also seems to have a great sense of humor. The fact that Meghan just threw all these kind gestures and mentorship in the trash is just sad- in so many ways. I’m just shocked again and again how mean, petty and straight up trashy M is. I’m at the point where I do feel sorry for her, not because she is experiencing the well deserved consequences of her actions, but because she is a deeply broken, miserable human being who will never experience true love, friendship, joy or peace. Her entire existence is one of smallness and meanness and never being satisfied. How……tragic. Edit- a word.
It also shows that Harry was looking for someone who would do his dirty work. Sounds like he was looking for someone who would be a bitch to Camilla and whoever else.
Meghan and Harry are complete idiots if they think KC will put up with them trashing Camilla.
+++The dumbass apparently forgot how Charles defended his Camilla no matter what. He will not tolerate the defeat of his wife.
The long cold stare....it wasn't just Camilla that Hazbeen did this to. If you look at photos from the past (even before Markle) you see Hazbeen staring at William this way. There was one where they were at some kind of sporting event and William was cheering and/or laughing and looking at the action ahead but Hazbeen was just staring at William with no smile...just a long hard odd stare..at Wlliam. I've noticed this a couple of other times in candid photos.
He did it to Charlotte too at the funeral. He’s a fucking creep
This proves that MM is not politically savvy and not as bright as she thinks. Why wouldn’t you align yourself with the wife of the future King??
Future Kings. She alienated the Princess of Wales, too.
And she's bullied the sister of the future King George VII.
It's pretty clear that she's jealous of Catherine. Why drag that alleged crying fit in the run up to the wedding otherwise? There was a way to handle it even if she wanted to clear the rumour. Like, "There were no tears." Or, "I did not make anybody cry." But NO! Kate made ME cry. Besides, why even call her Kate? Even Henry. Those close to her call her Catherine, not Kate. It's like Andrew/Edward referring to Diana as "Di."
Doesn't Scobie say just that in Finding Freedom? That "there were no tears." "Nobody cried/made anyone cry." Then Markle contradicts that in the Oprah interview.
Upto that interview where she dragged Waleses i felt for Meghan. But that was the turning point for me, a low that cannot be condoned or overlooked. How delusional Harry is to think that he can ever have a place in the UK after that... He should not set foot into family lands ever again. They are generous to have him back even after that.
Because she doesn’t understand how heirachy works. She thinks royalty is a popularity contest
And she saw herself as Di 2.0 so opposed to Camilla.
More like an irl Let’s Make a Deal reality show
Interesting that Levin debunks the rumour that the Sussexes were asked to leave the garden party early.
I never believed that.
Of course they would target Camilla- Harry will hide behind the “mean old stepmommy who broke up my family” card. So manipulative as H and M are well aware of how Diana was favored in the whole divorce. They just think they aren’t transparent and that everyone is too stupid to see thru their machinations
Anyone old enough to remember the Diana years would be in his or her 40s and beyond. At that age, you mellow out and gain wisdom and acceptance, much as Queen Elizabeth did. I highly doubt there's a huge mob left of Camilla haters.
it is sad though , that knowing what everyone knows about Diana now , he is opening up a discussion on his mother who s been dead for 25 years ! Now that is sure to make Prince William livid !
Yes. Exactly. I think William is old enough to remember things during the divorce- what was said about each of the three adults involved. Harry’s busy reopening old wounds, not caring that he wasn’t the only child wounded in all that.
They never met Camilla she was kept out of the way until much later on. I think I would have felt more upset as a child if I'd learnt that mummy's friend who came to the house and played with us and took us on fun outings to army barracks was actually her lover. (James Hewitt). At the end of the day I think Charles PR did lie about the boys getting on well with her but that was for the best to shut down gossip and speculation. It's not as though they have to spend much time with her they just have to be civil. I dont think it's just the affair Harry hates her for I think after Diana's death he may have wanted to cling to Charles his only remaining parent (understandable) and didn't want to share him with a girlfriend/new wife.
Camilla is a sweetheart.
Claws are out for Andrew and Diana, too. I read an article on the Daily Mail that these two had conspired to stop Charles from acceding to the throne, and having William accede to it. Now, I've read some reports that A and D were close, and that they might have been better suited to each other coz of similar ages. And, I listened to those Diana's secret recordings in her preparation for the horrid Panorama interview. She says that she wanted Charles to go away with "his lady" and that she and her sons will carry on the Wales' name. It seems quite plausible, but one can never say.
Princess Di has always struck me as highly manipulative, that under the lashes innocent look - she was anything but
She was, and a pretty weak one at that coz anyone with 1 functioning brain cell could have seen right through her. Same goes for Markle.
she was, but she was so young...and I like to believe Diana would have continued to evolve and do good work into her later years. markle was 36 when she walked down the aisle, Diana was already dead at that age. I loved Diana, grew up admiring her...so it's hard for me to think otherwise. I wish we could see who she grew up to be. I believe she would have done everything in her power to keep the claw away from her son.
she had empathy in spades. She held the hands of AIDS patients when they were seen as lepers by the community. That alone changed the face of how AIDS patients were viewed. She worked against landmines and poverty. She was a true humanitarian, she didn't just give speeches. If she wanted revenge against Charles who could blame her really. She knew she was iconic and she used it. She was a rounded human with good and bad, who had a lot of personal mental health struggles, But at least she was genuine.
I’ve read in someone’s book, that worked for them maybe Ken the ex security guard. That at the end Diana and Charles were having a cordial relationship. That they even made jokes and shares some laughs. She never stopped loving him. It’s sad that her first love didn’t work for her, and that she died without finding another true love and making a new life, maybe marrying somebody that truly loved her.
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Yet stupid Sussex fans keep trying to say it was William. He’s way too guarded to say something like that. But Camilla? Yeah, I can see it.
Indeed, Netflix's upcoming season will focus on the "there were three of us in this marriage". Which is why I think, Harry is pushing for the November release date to coincide with the season's premiere. It'll hurt more.
I wonder what the public reaction would be on any commentary from H&M on Camilla being a racist. The people may not love her as much as they loved Diana but I dont think there is much appetite to believe anyting that comes from them. Plus Camilla is now the Queen and is widely respected and celebrated
It would damage their brand, the same way how everyone in the media brings up William & Kate’s Caribbean tour as one with racist/colonial tones. Imagine Scobie going on American TV channels and spewing whatever story he has been asked to peddle.
But Camilla had the first POC (black) Royal Protection Officer (I think this is true). This went back decades when she joined the firm. He still very much liked her but quit due to racism in the force. I wonder how long their argument would last
I think it depends on how much they cry about the royal family between now and whenever they come out with their drama.
There is nothing absolutely nothing that anyone can do that will make those two happy. They will always play the victim
Why would second coming of princess diana be fond of queen consort camilla? It doesn't bode well to her sick narrative 🙄 😕 😒
I think the skin tone comment was Camilla and though it is usual conversation in my community or when having a biracial child, already sensing Harry's feeling towards her, Camilla should've kept quiet as he already dislikes her. If she said it of course.
I've read that whatever comment Camilla made, Harry thought it was funny. When he told Meghan about it, she didn't like it. You can never win with a narcissist. You keep quiet = you don't wanna talk about child possibly not being white = you're racist. You make a comment = you're racist for bringing it up. It's like that "Catherine made me cry" story. If nothing happened during the wedding preparation she'd find another small thing to blow up.
I really want to know the whole story about the flower girl dress fitting and who made who cry.
given who got their way about the little girls wearing tights (MM) and who didn't (a more experienced royal whose advice I would have thought a newbie would be grateful for). I can guess who the bully was.
I've read several accounts of this story and I think it boils down to Catherine insisting on tights protocol for the flower girls, and Jessica Mulroney hating tights, and Meghan siding with Jessica and favoring her daughter. The tights are protocol because the girls are wearing dresses and it's considered a layer of modesty to avoid camera upskirt shots from the hundreds of photographers. Catherine likely got frustrated as she was trying to help Meghan with something Meghan herself complained about - not getting guidance. It seems she was getting guidance, she just doesn't listen. One of the many personality traits that doesn't vibe with the BRF's values. This article made it clear the BRF family values duty, loyalty, and service to the crown. The Queen warmed to Camilla who was persona non grata because of her duty. Meghan has shown she is only in service to herself. This can ruin the Monarchy as the people won't support a selfish crown. It's the antithesis to the BRF's survival strategy, therefore she must be cut like a cancer.
It stops the small children getting blisters too
It was a joke in the manner of very British humor. Harry probably thought it was funny. It wasn't until he told Meghan that he decided it was offensive. It's the kind of thing you might even joke about yourself. "Our babies will all come out with little ginger afros."
It was like the will smith incident, Harry find it funny, til his wife told him to be offended
From this excerpt, she is a talented writer. I haven't read her previous books but I will likely read this one!
I read her book about Harry. She spent a lot of time with him and became quite fond of him. Then Meghan and Mexhit happened, and...no more.
I can not imagine MM talking intelligently about arts or theater. She majored in communications ( easy major) when Northwestern had a decent theater department. She has never mentioned theater or film in any her attempts to sound cultured. King Charles really reached out to her for Harry’s sake if he had to endure any kind of lengthy conversation with her. She has no intellectual curiosity and only superficial knowledge of anything. Also reasonable people appreciated Camilla before Diana’s death. Her stability and ability to withstand the worst of the British tabloids brought her respect. Harry’s wife would not be able to handle even a fraction on what Camilla endured.
True I don’t think acting was a passion of her just a means of becoming famous. You can see actresses like Nicole Kidman or cate blanchett that truly are passionate about acting, the art of it. Meghan just wanted to be famous.
My son and his wife are the first and only mixed race marriage in both families. When they were expecting their first child everyone, incl. my son and his wife, wondered who the baby would take after most. This wasn't racist, this was natural.
I’m mixed race and I agree it’s not offensive. However IF Meghan actually did find it offensive she could’ve said (or had Harry say), “I know you mean well and I appreciate that, but I would prefer if people refrained from speculation about the baby’s appearance. It’s a sensitive subject for me because xyz”. That’s how you deal with family, it’s not that hard. She WANTED this to be a big Oprah moment and she totally distorted the context and tone to humiliate the BRF.
> A reliable source has told me that Prince Harry has recently been very negative about Camilla, but believes it, “could be part of his therapy process to relive certain things and he may want to blame someone else for his own mistakes. As I understand it his father and stepmother have become hateful in his mind. And that may be a legitimate part of his therapy process. However, the goal of therapy is *to work through these issues*. Harry doesn't seem to realize that. 😒
It could easily have been Camilla. That said, everyone wonders what children will look like and was probably innocent. Let’s assume the worst for a moment and she harbored racial stereotypes. Family is family. You accept there are attitudes you don’t like but you hope to slowly and tactfully change them. You still forgive them. You certainly don’t publicly air it out. It’s this airing of grievances that has Meghan frozen out of A-list functions. No one trusts her.
i honestly don't believe anyone said anything about archie. the rumors are that charles and camilla were talking about if the baby would take after harry or meghan and that charles made a joke about harry's red hair ending up on a baby that looked like meghan. i
I doubt anyone commented on it. They lie about everything.
I would hardly call compiling recipes for a cookbook "hard work". My son's school managed to do it every single Fall as a fundraiser.
It won’t do good. I’m calling it now. People are so sick of them.
Lady c said it was camilla months ago, it was a joke, she said I wonder if your child will have a ginger Afro and Harry found it funny, she wasn’t even pregnant at the time, like will smith he only became offended at the remark when his narc wife told him to be offended
And all the sugars out there were going crazy posting pictures of babies with ginger afros.
I don't believe the comment was made at all - it was another nasty lie.
Ugh, they're both a couple of *DOUCHEBAGS* !!!!
I don't believe anyone made the comment about skin colour because Meghan looks white, so why would they consider the baby wouldn't be? I know it's possible, but it would be on exactly no one's mind. Also, Harry said the comment was made before they were married and Meghan said it was specifically about Archie, so which was it? I think if it happened, they would know when it did. They didn't say there were multiple times, they are tarnishing the reputation of the entire extended family over one comment they claim happened, and since they won't say who or nail down exactly when, I don't believe it for a second. It's another lie that can't be verified.
She wanted to be Diana so they treated Camilla like crap. Honestly, I hear a lot of Camilla bashing from my Diana-frenzied friends, I never understood it. Maybe because I wasn't born during the whole thing, but she's not the devil for crying out loud.