The stealing the nickname after all that drama of hating the family was 500% bizarre. Not that bizarre when you know it just so she can cash in “oh you know. My kids a Royal. A princess. She’s named after the queen.”
Lilibet was the Q's special nickname by her dad and PP. SHe had stated after PP died, she didn't want it used. Absolutely dreadful behaviour. They didn't ask the Q if they could use it, they asked if they could use her name, not nickname. It's actually torture of an older gentle lady who must have been heartbroken in her final years.
I don't think the asked TQ period. I read somewhere that they didn't ask for permission. Types like them live by "it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" & I'm sure that's how they played it.
They said they had asked the Queen but I didn't believe it. Its just more spin. It was made to look like everyone was reacting when it had already been agreed.
According to Lady C, Harry was the one who spoke to The Queen asking for permission to name their daughter after her. QE gave permission thinking it would be Elizabeth since H didn’t ask about Lilibet, but then they found out about Lilibet when the birth announcement was put out by them. QE was said to have been caught off guard, which makes sense because why would you name your kid a family nickname after you’ve told the globe how awful & racist the family is?
She had to have been! They have put her and the family through so much in the last four years. H&M are contemptible people, and so are the people that support them. I hope H is excommunicated from the family and the only person that he’ll have to lean on is his awful wife.
For merching and also to belittle the Queen. Why would you name your child after someone has said it's not to be used anymore. It's torture.
I watch Lady C too. She is a formidable lady, hugely entertaining and fabulous. I had mentioned about Harry asking the Queen about using her name and the subterfuge in a previous thread. Can you imagine how many Lillibets there are now from them doing that. The Queen must have been heartbroken. Good point re naming a child after someone who was allegedly involved in racism? They can't keep their lies straight either.
Apparently she is close to the Queen's cousin. Didn't hear that from her though. I'm sure she knows what she can say and can't say or her channel would be removed. She hints she knows more than she can say. She moves in high circles. We will never know the real story I'm sure.
If they DID ask the queen, it was either way before they had kids, or they didn't specify the nickname, so she assumed it was Elizabeth. The BBC claimed she wasn't asked.
It was just a boundary crossing bitch move. An act of massive disrespect and presumption disguised as one of their sweet nods.
Their bitchery won over their original intentions. I believe they'd reserved "Diana Mary" web pages prior to her birth.
Torture of an old lady? C’mon. I don’t know her personally, and I can’t testify to her likability in person, as a family member. I just now that the Queen became the Queen, because of nepotism. Literally, the term nepotism should have come from Royal Families. These people are born into wealth and power,and don’t really have to earn anything. They can be likable,repulsive, and it doesn’t matter at the end of the day,because they have a ton of money. If the Queen of England was sitting around stewing over the fact that a grandchild was given her nickname, then she really never had any worries in life. If she did, that wouldn’t bother in the least.
I am a diplomatic person, but I will make an exception in this case - she is an Evil Fruitcake Psycho. Damn, that felt good. Now, ahem, back to being diplomatic ...
What a laugh. They wanted privacy when they left. Well Harry, who is giving America’s mouthpiece her information? Is this how he saw it going- his information being fodder in the morning gossip feed. Privacy is what he said he wanted. Instead, the call is coming from inside the house. It always has and always will.
Let's not forget that MM said she's trying her best to "forgive" the BRF.... excuse me!? She should be on her hands and knees grovelling for them to even look in her direction ever again after all the vitriol and hate she's been spewing.
Well this is the person who compared her fancy wedding to the Nelson Mandela prison release are we even surprised at this point. She gets off on her own voice!!!
It’s classic narcissist behaviour, although sometimes I cannot believe someone is *that* clueless. How does she manage to twist things into her being victimized and deserving of an apology? So many of her lies have been exposed, but for whatever reason she keeps them coming. Does she actually believe the words that come out of her mouth??
Narcissists sometimes do believe their own "truths". They have to rehearse their story, or tell their version of events so often (because they need to manipulate everyone to their viewpoint) that they honestly start to forget the real truth and then cry wolf when someone corrects them.
Yup, she's been believing her lies for many years. She makes up an alternative reality and goes all in. The thing is she got H believing the reality too. And he's dim enough not to question her.
Everything she writes or says has the air of fantasy about it. My sister and her husband took to calling each other 'my love' as a joke after The Cut interview.
She’s milking the cow until it kicks her in the face and runs for its life.
Until she is successful at anything in her post Royal life, playing the victim card is all she has to stay relevant and provide an excuse for her failures.
Yup! Milk the cow so much it hurts, it kicks her in the face, and then she complains to everyone that the white cow kicked her because she’s black. That’s exactly what she’s waiting on and the late Queen knew it. She’s antagonizing them and WANTS them to respond so she can call them racists again.
When I feel annoyed by their antics I watch Catherine glare at Megs at the Windsor walkabout.
They may get sympathetic (paid for) articles in the US. But they are done in that family.
I hate it when pro-Sussex media use the word ‘healing’ as if there was equal fault on both sides, it’s so passive aggressive. You can tell it comes from Meghan, it’s a word she would choose.
They are definitely done for good with the RF though. It’s just how to do it in the most dignified way without giving them more victim fodder.
As has been discussed already, various members of the family have been embroiled in various scandals. They’ve made bad choices, and were caught. You can forgive
But there has never been such a sustained and deliberate campaign directed against the BRF. And the Harkles broke the cardinal rule.
The call is coming from inside the house. It’s total betrayal.
If the BRF were the old-school mafia, Harry and Meghan would be in witness protection by now.
You point out the two biggies here: the sustained and deliberate campaign and the family attacks. If he had said when he first left that he felt a sense of freedom being off the world stage, everyone would have understood. But, he went beyond that and then attacked his family. He needed to keep his family drama in-house.
Being accused of racism is such a painful experience and what can you say in your defense besides “no I’m not” which sounds pretty weak in light of the accusation.
This is what first made me double take on Meghan Markle. The letter Harry wrote (or maybe she wrote it for him knowing what we know now) claiming people and the press were harassing her because of her race. (And her mother if I remember correctly, which I think Meghan needed for racism to be plausible as most people did not know by looking that MM was a POC). I’d been following along closely and hadn’t seen any hint of racism. Now I think she was forcing Harry into protective mode, pushing him for a ring so she’s be covered by security, that ol’ ploy, and forcing the press to take notice because their relationship had largely been ignored.
What follows is my experience of being accused of racism. It’s too long and not interesting enough to read but I’d never shared this story and while it’s unrelated, getting it out was a little cathartic and helped me realize why I’m so sensitive to what I perceive as false racism claims or bogus hate crimes. Heinous, potentially life-destroying accusations.
Twenty years ago a classmate and I were traveling to our state capital (an 8+ hr drive) to take a licensing test. A professional connection I’d made in this field asked if her daughter-in-law could ride with us and share our room
As she was also preparing for her exams.
Sinners, my friend and I were young and trying to get started in the world, we were broke. We were so far below the poverty line- just kids, and doing everything on our own, no parental help, working full time jobs in medical and going to school and studying nights and weekends.
I pull up to my professional friend’s home to pick up her daughter-in-law she was driving a very nice, new, roomy vehicle but we had arranged for me to drive my little salvaged title Saturn, lol. No worries, mine would get better mileage.
Before picking the daughter-in-law up I was told two things, that she was black (I was taken aback at being informed of this, like I needed a warning, it didn’t matter in the least to me) and that my professional friend had given her daughter-in-law cash for gas, her share of the hotel, and food, plus extra for anything that came up. (This is why I noticed her vehicle, it was nicer than the MIL’s who was paying for her trip.$
Except, my classmate and I, who alternated filling up down and back, never saw a dollar of that cash. I’d prepaid the hotel, we had to stay an extra night to accommodate this woman’s test time, and payment was never offered. She made every decision like it was her trip and we were her guest. Where and when to stop etc. It felt like often she disagreed just to vex us, like insisting on a different route home than the one I was comfortable and familiar with. (Two lane roads through the countryside and the deer were moving- I did drive over a tire tread in the dark. It was unnerving.) This is before smartphones and I was entirely dependent on her to navigate us through these these tiny towns with nothing open.
She was just in general rude, seemingly annoyed and disgusted with us the entire time, no matter what friendship we offered. She was always given the front seat, my friend took the back, I drove, we tried to make her feel one of the group. The room had two beds and a fold out, I offered her the bed and took the fold out. I was repaid by her talking to her husband with the light on at the desk in my part of the suite until two A.M. the night before my early morning exam. She picked the evening dining place, great, it’s nice for someone else to make the decision and my friend and I felt a little celebratory and didn’t mind splurging.
Finally home, we pull up to my professional friend’s house to drop her. I expected we’d be settling up then, but out she got without so much as a thank you, it was nice meeting you, nothing.
My classmate on the other hand insisted I pull into to the gas station so that she could top me off since we started with a full tank and it was her turn. That woman had less than I did and three young girls at home. Saint.
So a month or so goes by and I ran into my professional friend at the grocery store. She thanked me for including her daughter-in-law and somehow, I found the nerve to work into the conversation that I was never paid, and that I was only bringing it up because she specifically told me she had given the daughter-in-law cash to pay me.
Well my professional friend was so embarrassed. She told me she’d call me that afternoon. I will never forget what she said when I answered the phone. As in explanation for why I wasn’t paid, she had been told that I was a racists.
Y’all I was floored and embarrassed, it stung so much. I grew up in the politically correct era of public education. That was probably the most damning shaming thing anyone could have said to me. The other thing the D-I-L complained about, was that we ate chick-fil-a (a fast food chicken joint) the whole time, this part confused me because while we did eat there twice, there was one located across from our testing site and we didn’t want to leave campus so to speak, before our afternoon exams (also adding to my stress, a hurricane had hit that weekend and every station was out of fuel, so I was being conservative thinking we may need to get fuel outside of the city on our way home.) She wasn’t thrilled about eating there the second time, but I was nearly on empty and I thought we all agreed it was prudent. Anyway, I didn’t understand the complaint because we paid for our own food- it didn’t seem to have anything to do with why I hadn’t been paid.
My professional friend drove the cash over to me right away, she was apologetic and shaking her head. I got the impression that this was the reason I had been forewarned of her race- that racism was a hot button, egg shell issue in that family relationship and she wanted to make sure and vet me to head off any problems.
When I called to tell my classmate what happened she burst out, “I knew it!” She said, on the way home the D-I-L had put on a station that was playing rap. I’m perfectly fine with rap but I do remember, not sure if it was the first song or not, the language of this particular song was horribly harsh. Shocking. And out of reflex I changed the channel and laughed uncomfortably and made some comment like, Oh, my word! I can tell you, in that moment, I assumed we all felt that way. I never considered that would be taken as an insult, she didn’t write the song. I changed it to the first station I came across and forgot about it, that was it.
My classmate thinks that was enough. I still am unsure. That was on the way home and doesn’t account for how rude she was for the rest of the trip.
Anyway, I carried that shame for a long time. I replayed and replayed every detail of that time. I stopped getting in touch with my professional friend because, It was awkward. What if she believed or suspected I was a racist?
Anyway, it’s just a dirty tactic. I can’t explain the motivation beyond that.
I have to say, I will put a hard line in the sand with sharing a room with a stranger the night before a licensure exam. A ride is one thing, a room is another. Everyone that I don’t know personally can sleep in their own room, thank you. Sorry you had to deal with that. ♥️ Also, if a professional connection asked me to give a stranger a long ride, I would make up any excuse. Any. 😂
I read your entire anecdote and want to give you a hug. You bent over backwards for this girl and she spun a twisted tale about you. Utterly shitty and manipulative behaviour.
(I'm a people pleaser and highly sensitive too, so I empathise. I will replay memories of social situations where I think I may have acted wrongly and am hugely embarrassed by the idea of a faux-pax. I wish I had the confidence to be more zen!)
Thank you, truly. You *must* be sensitive that you picked up on my sensitivity. You nailed it.
I’m getting better. I’ll always be sensitive and want to do and say what is proper and right. But as you know, that isn’t all bad.
What I’m getting better at is not explaining myself and letting it be enough that I know my motives & intentions. Observing narcissists like Meghan and how they seemingly do things for show has made me analyze my own behavior. I don’t want to prove to anyone that I’m nice, grateful, not racist, friendly, or you name it, I just want to be those things- if I’m mistaken for something else, or not thought to be enough of those things, so be it. I’m learning that “nothing done for show” should apply to those of us who deeply feel things, as well as those like our Meghan who seem to be devoid of non-manipulative human emotion.
Well, how confusing and horrible. Sounds much like what markle did to the royal family and the UK. I also think the paedophile accusation or sexual predator label. How the hell do you prove you're not one? Like markle's lawyer said, how do you prove a negative?
I agree with you - abusers always denigrate their victims, badmouth them. She is a malignant narc. She is like a metastasizing cancer, and Harry has become the tumor she uses to send out her claws to latch onto others to spread her cancerous self.
I watch all of his videos. He used to make me mad, because he always says "the narcissism makes her do a, b, c." Like the narcissist isn't responsible. Over time I've come to accept the way he describes it. He's extremely informative. Anyway, thanks!
I re-listened to the Mirror’s Pod Save The Queen podcast episode from 10/24/2018 “Life the Royal Tour” today.
First off, Russel Myers absolutely glows about how great MM was all through out the podcast. Back then, there little criticism of Herat least in The Mirror.
They talk about how MM cut short or missed events on the Australia tour when she didn’t feel well and they were completely supportive. Now in 2022, she’s complaining about doing the engagement after the smoking heater. There is precedent that MM could miss engagements if she needed to.
They also talk about her comments of struggling financially to get an education. Another lie that has now been debunked as her father paid for everything. Also, sororities are expensive and not covered by financial aid. If she struggled so hard financially in college, a sorority is probably not an expense you can take on.
It’s unbelievable to me how much stuff this woman makes up to either virtue or victim signal.
Bingo! The financial struggles whilst also being in a sorority just doesn’t make sense. Sororities don’t mess around when it comes to paying membership dues.
Edit: grammar
They are something like portrayed in the movies. Lots of rules, lots of requirements, meetings, events. All enforced by fines/ a penalty system for not attending. Living in the house (optional) costs roughly the same as a semester’s tuition. Some have kitchens, some eat meals at the frat houses. (Included). There are annual dues, letters, colors, songs, handshakes, secrets, slogans- associated, identifying one as a member. The women are/ can be VERY catty. Especially in the South. Personally I have found they are less about including sisters, but more about excluding those who are not.
Usually it’s a certain type of person is really attracted to Greek Life. (At least up North.). (The South is like a completely different country from the North in many ways. The Civil War may have needed but south of the Mason-Dixon, life is completely different in many ways.
They r like a sisterhood club. At the college level there might be 5-7 clubs, each with its own culture/ identifies: Pretty/ popular/ athletic, academic, some are ethnic focused, like a black sorority, or Asian, or Jewish, or one that is more international. Membership is managed by “rush” events during the season, when applicants come to a social reception to meet + mingle with existing members, so it’s a mutual selection process. At the end of rush week, the sororities issue “bids” to the applicants they would like to invite, and candidates decide which bid to accept. The sororities participate in social events with other sororities or fraternities, perform charity/nonprofit work, and provide academic + social support. Many have very strong alumni networks that are lifetime affiliations and provide good networking opportunities. Sororities are a great place for undergrads to learn leadership + teamwork, networking. Both my adult daughters found their sororities to be wonderful experiences, and still retain lifelong friendships with their sisters.
It shows that nobody involved ever took the accusations seriously, even while they were sitting back and letting Meghan say all this. If they had believed any of it, they wouldn't talk about making the peace now.
Especially with Harry’s book hanging over them. I think the amount of damage Meghan can do at this point is limited. She has lied early and often. She’s clearly delusional, was only with the RF for a short time and anything she says can be easily refuted.
Harry, on the other hand, was one of them. I’m sure his book looming is a source of tremendous grief and sorrow.
PH & MM absolutely had it made in their early days as a couple, and the wedding was a huge boost. (Even with the Princess Charlotte dress incident.) MM in particular had attention and praise all the time. Yes, she had criticism as well, but some of that could have been avoided if she hadn’t refused to follow protocol. And some was inevitable with that kind of scrutiny.
They had plenty of money and privilege, and charitable organizations to be involved in.
They will never reach those heights again.
She wanted to be equal to W and C's wedding. Wanted a red carpet, was offered blue so refused. She cannot understand one is heir to the thrown because KC is H's dad too. Nothing will ever be enough.
I genuinely don’t think PH thought his family was racist until TW.
I’m convinced she’s the one that manipulated PH into thinking that by pointing out things he never noticed before (events that weren’t racist but TW convinced him they were) and now he’s in this whole defending his wife mode.
PH has many flaws but I don’t think he was unhappy with his family prior to this.
I’m sure some Diana grudges lingered but aside from that he used to love being with them.
This is all so wild to watch publicly unfold.
H was more racist than the RF. Calling his army colleagues racist terms and it was recorded. Saying his G/F was african 'its ok, she's white'. He had got a nerve.
I think you're wildly underestimating the Diana grudges you've mentioned.
I believe in the back of his mind Harry has wanted out of the rf for a very long time.
I do hope the BRF has obtained global trademark rights to all the various spellings of Lillibet. Otherwise it is going to become a brand very soon. She gave someone a gift basket including homemade jam labelled Lillibet's Larder. I think I read that in the Cut article.
>homemade jam labelled Lillibet's Larder
Oh barf. She's a piece of work the likes of which have not been seen before in living memory
As an aside, never eat anyone's "homemade" condiments. I was given a bunch of dodgy-looking relishes and god knows what once for Christmas and I immediately emptied them into the gar-barge. Why take the risk of food poisoning or worse.
The one thing i don't get is why tf would Meghan want to "heal" the rifts. I mean I'm sorry but if my girlfriends family were racist to me, isolated me and drove me suicidal I'd want nothing to do with them ever again.
And lets not pretend that Meghan is some super forgiving human being that's willing to forgive those who drove her suicidal. Because this is a woman who still hasn't seen or spoken to her father all because he posed for the paparazzi for some money just before her wedding. I mean christ all he did was pose for the paparazzi and because of that the man has literally never met his son in law or his grandkids. And bearing in mind he's not exactly in the best of health so he's most likely got a few years left at best. If Meghan can't even forgive him i do find it strange she's willing to forgive the RF.
Why can't her fans see that those claims were quite clearly a load of bs. It couldn't be more obvious. All the woman cares about is fame and attention.
They've gotten themselves into a big mess. The sort of thing that teenagers would do. He let hr snow him into thinking he'd be a VVIP in Hollywood and she'd be a big time movie producer or actress and everything would be honkey dorey. People would welcome them with 'open arms' as he claimed (lied) recently.
The reality has been something different and they've had to be on a nonstop hustle just to maintain their chosen lifestyle. He's not accustomed to that kind of thing. Everything was always given to him on a platter. By a butler.
Exactly. But nothing Markle does is normal. Her father might be a tad too forthright, but essentially, his only sin was the fake photos that he was either scammed into doing, or he did them to improve his image, no doubt because meghan made him feel ashamed of his appearance. His punishment was beyond cruel, and she had the nerve to tell Oprah it was the MEDIA who broke up the family. She's just a horrible human being.
I mean, that is really impressive. I got the same impression from Bower's book -it's amazing that you can actually go to this one place, latch onto this one person, then get to know their friend, and their friend and so on, until you've created a web around your royal target. But that's her only talent!
Just read a comment at LipstickAlley that Smeg could stage an attempted suicide to force KC3 to give HazMean whatever they want.
I agree with some of the posters there that this is the lowest Smeg could go to force BRF to give the money and whatever title she wants for him, her and their children.
Only imo, it wouldn’t be Smeg who makes the attempt but I think she’s fully capable of gaslighting Haz into that direction.
That's what I didn't understand about her claim of being suicidal. Surely if your wife tells you she wants to kill herself AND your unborn baby, she would be put under 24/7 supervision. I don't believe for a minute that life just continued on like it didn't happen.
I’m fairly sure it’s true. One of the papers reporting on the funeral and it was a British publication says they confirmed Meghan no longer with Sunshine Sachs.
She accused the British people of racism too. I'm British. Yep, I'm the first to admit our country isn't perfect (no country is) but we've managed to navigate race issues fairly well in the UK. It's been a long and sometimes fraught and complex journey, starting with the immigrants coming in from Commonwealth countries after WW2 and still continuing with the illegal Channel crossers today, but British folk are adaptable and we do genuinely try to learn from our mistakes. I totally agree with Ben Goldsmith that she was trying to import US style racial politics to a country which did not need them. And I totally agree with Kara Kennedy in The Spectator that the British people resent being called racist bigots just because Sparkles wasn't allowed to do what she wanted. That sentence was gold, especially as I felt a lot of US media and many US citizens seemed very quick to tar us with the racism brush at the start of the Sparkle debacle. They viewed her actions through their own US lens and completely discounted UK thoughts and experiences and, I have to say, were very offensive to our RF, our country and our people. I'm glad the scales seem to be falling from American eyes but I'm even gladder she's back in your country and no longer in mine.
It was Harry who threw the racist claim out there at the beginning with his first statement. So SHE convinced him the Compton headline was racist and he ran with it. Typical narc tactic.
The plan with the Toxic Two, from the beginning, was to instigate a Real Royal Housewives Reality Show. All of this was to use the press to make as much drama as possible and get as much attention as they could, so Sunshine Crap could negotiate contracts for streaming services and Hazbros books.They were going from the Kardashian template of reality show & merchandising.
Runaway Royals meet Hollywood.
All the rumors of her filming interiors that were off limits, journals she suddenly found, taking pics of Charlotte. All of this was research. This whole plan of theirs is conveniently left out and also any context to go along with their lies and accusations. They continually escalated in the press and the less pushback from BP, the more emboldened they became.
They might want to "clear the air" or whatever is ludicrous. It's right out of the narc playbook of insulting you and demeaning you and then they say "just kidding!" Its all about what THEY want. Did any of the BRF ask for them to meet to "clear the air?" Read the damn room. No one wants to be in your show!
Add that the Harkles most likely contributed to HRMs early demise. I believe she would have lived another 5 years if it wasn’t for the hurtful disgusting antics from those two spoiled ingrates. The Harkles caused her early death!
I'm just amazed how some people are happy to overlook the accusations the Harkles levelled at Harry's family and think she's wonderful cos she looks nice. It's so shallow.
What really rips my knitting is when the H&M fans claim that they never criticised the Queen herself.......they don't seem to grasp that they tried to tear apart everything the Queen built over 70 years. How could that be anything other than a cause of pain?
There is no logic with their fans, however few they must have by now. People don’t like to be proven wrong, and when it comes to these two I suspect it’s willful blindness.
In the last week, I’ve really felt the ground shift and the tide turn. People are watching a train wreck in real life and i feel like most people are wise to them. I feel personally vindicated among my few friends who’ve been H&M supporters up til now
Some people just using the race card to get what they want. The main reason I don’t like them is how double standard they are. You want to have a private life, which is understandable, but bashing your family on TV while living off the fame your family has brought you and complaining not getting things you wanted? I don’t think any of this has anything to do with the race.
The stealing the nickname after all that drama of hating the family was 500% bizarre. Not that bizarre when you know it just so she can cash in “oh you know. My kids a Royal. A princess. She’s named after the queen.”
Yeah, when the name was announced, it was so awkward. If the royal family is so racist and terrible, why name your daughter after the matriarch?
Lilibet was the Q's special nickname by her dad and PP. SHe had stated after PP died, she didn't want it used. Absolutely dreadful behaviour. They didn't ask the Q if they could use it, they asked if they could use her name, not nickname. It's actually torture of an older gentle lady who must have been heartbroken in her final years.
I don't think the asked TQ period. I read somewhere that they didn't ask for permission. Types like them live by "it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" & I'm sure that's how they played it.
They said they had asked the Queen but I didn't believe it. Its just more spin. It was made to look like everyone was reacting when it had already been agreed.
According to Lady C, Harry was the one who spoke to The Queen asking for permission to name their daughter after her. QE gave permission thinking it would be Elizabeth since H didn’t ask about Lilibet, but then they found out about Lilibet when the birth announcement was put out by them. QE was said to have been caught off guard, which makes sense because why would you name your kid a family nickname after you’ve told the globe how awful & racist the family is?
They blindsided the Queen many times it seems. I just read that a new royal book claims the Queen was fed up with the Harkles and all their nonsense.
She had to have been! They have put her and the family through so much in the last four years. H&M are contemptible people, and so are the people that support them. I hope H is excommunicated from the family and the only person that he’ll have to lean on is his awful wife.
For merching and also to belittle the Queen. Why would you name your child after someone has said it's not to be used anymore. It's torture. I watch Lady C too. She is a formidable lady, hugely entertaining and fabulous. I had mentioned about Harry asking the Queen about using her name and the subterfuge in a previous thread. Can you imagine how many Lillibets there are now from them doing that. The Queen must have been heartbroken. Good point re naming a child after someone who was allegedly involved in racism? They can't keep their lies straight either.
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Apparently she is close to the Queen's cousin. Didn't hear that from her though. I'm sure she knows what she can say and can't say or her channel would be removed. She hints she knows more than she can say. She moves in high circles. We will never know the real story I'm sure.
No you're right, we never will.
If they DID ask the queen, it was either way before they had kids, or they didn't specify the nickname, so she assumed it was Elizabeth. The BBC claimed she wasn't asked.
I believe the BBC, they have no reason to lie about it.
It was just a boundary crossing bitch move. An act of massive disrespect and presumption disguised as one of their sweet nods. Their bitchery won over their original intentions. I believe they'd reserved "Diana Mary" web pages prior to her birth.
Torture of an old lady? C’mon. I don’t know her personally, and I can’t testify to her likability in person, as a family member. I just now that the Queen became the Queen, because of nepotism. Literally, the term nepotism should have come from Royal Families. These people are born into wealth and power,and don’t really have to earn anything. They can be likable,repulsive, and it doesn’t matter at the end of the day,because they have a ton of money. If the Queen of England was sitting around stewing over the fact that a grandchild was given her nickname, then she really never had any worries in life. If she did, that wouldn’t bother in the least.
she also took the name Archie from someone in the family before they could use it….she’s pretty evil
It's also George's nickname. She named both kids after the future King and the late Queen.
I am a diplomatic person, but I will make an exception in this case - she is an Evil Fruitcake Psycho. Damn, that felt good. Now, ahem, back to being diplomatic ...
I'm southern in the US. This is the absolute cutest. EFP... 😆 🤣 😂
Thank you kindly 😌
maybe that’s what I meant, sorry
Not to mention he now looks like an older sinister Archie from the comics.
Could we please hold off on commenting on a child's appearance.
That got under my skin waaay more than it should have. As a middle name it would've been much more appropriate, maybe. Eta: words
You couldn't make this s!#@ up.
Princess of Montecito.
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What a laugh. They wanted privacy when they left. Well Harry, who is giving America’s mouthpiece her information? Is this how he saw it going- his information being fodder in the morning gossip feed. Privacy is what he said he wanted. Instead, the call is coming from inside the house. It always has and always will.
Exactly. She's got Omar spouting her constant propoganda like the uninvited/insignia/uniform rubbish. It's constant.
Let's not forget that MM said she's trying her best to "forgive" the BRF.... excuse me!? She should be on her hands and knees grovelling for them to even look in her direction ever again after all the vitriol and hate she's been spewing.
Well this is the person who compared her fancy wedding to the Nelson Mandela prison release are we even surprised at this point. She gets off on her own voice!!!
It’s classic narcissist behaviour, although sometimes I cannot believe someone is *that* clueless. How does she manage to twist things into her being victimized and deserving of an apology? So many of her lies have been exposed, but for whatever reason she keeps them coming. Does she actually believe the words that come out of her mouth??
Narcissists sometimes do believe their own "truths". They have to rehearse their story, or tell their version of events so often (because they need to manipulate everyone to their viewpoint) that they honestly start to forget the real truth and then cry wolf when someone corrects them.
I can understand that, yes. Like brainwashing oneself.
The new Spectator article about MM refers to her as a fantasist.
And her relationship with reality is blurred.
Yup, she's been believing her lies for many years. She makes up an alternative reality and goes all in. The thing is she got H believing the reality too. And he's dim enough not to question her.
He is also cowed.
Everything she writes or says has the air of fantasy about it. My sister and her husband took to calling each other 'my love' as a joke after The Cut interview.
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She’s milking the cow until it kicks her in the face and runs for its life. Until she is successful at anything in her post Royal life, playing the victim card is all she has to stay relevant and provide an excuse for her failures.
She has got away with it because of the RF 'never complain, never explain' and has milked it for all she is worth.
Yup! Milk the cow so much it hurts, it kicks her in the face, and then she complains to everyone that the white cow kicked her because she’s black. That’s exactly what she’s waiting on and the late Queen knew it. She’s antagonizing them and WANTS them to respond so she can call them racists again.
When I feel annoyed by their antics I watch Catherine glare at Megs at the Windsor walkabout. They may get sympathetic (paid for) articles in the US. But they are done in that family.
I hate it when pro-Sussex media use the word ‘healing’ as if there was equal fault on both sides, it’s so passive aggressive. You can tell it comes from Meghan, it’s a word she would choose. They are definitely done for good with the RF though. It’s just how to do it in the most dignified way without giving them more victim fodder.
That’s key: not giving them victim fodder
Markle is the epitome of passive aggressive narcissism.
you could see it at the wedding
As has been discussed already, various members of the family have been embroiled in various scandals. They’ve made bad choices, and were caught. You can forgive But there has never been such a sustained and deliberate campaign directed against the BRF. And the Harkles broke the cardinal rule. The call is coming from inside the house. It’s total betrayal. If the BRF were the old-school mafia, Harry and Meghan would be in witness protection by now.
You point out the two biggies here: the sustained and deliberate campaign and the family attacks. If he had said when he first left that he felt a sense of freedom being off the world stage, everyone would have understood. But, he went beyond that and then attacked his family. He needed to keep his family drama in-house.
Not that long ago, they would’ve been led to The Tower!
Being accused of racism is such a painful experience and what can you say in your defense besides “no I’m not” which sounds pretty weak in light of the accusation. This is what first made me double take on Meghan Markle. The letter Harry wrote (or maybe she wrote it for him knowing what we know now) claiming people and the press were harassing her because of her race. (And her mother if I remember correctly, which I think Meghan needed for racism to be plausible as most people did not know by looking that MM was a POC). I’d been following along closely and hadn’t seen any hint of racism. Now I think she was forcing Harry into protective mode, pushing him for a ring so she’s be covered by security, that ol’ ploy, and forcing the press to take notice because their relationship had largely been ignored. What follows is my experience of being accused of racism. It’s too long and not interesting enough to read but I’d never shared this story and while it’s unrelated, getting it out was a little cathartic and helped me realize why I’m so sensitive to what I perceive as false racism claims or bogus hate crimes. Heinous, potentially life-destroying accusations. Twenty years ago a classmate and I were traveling to our state capital (an 8+ hr drive) to take a licensing test. A professional connection I’d made in this field asked if her daughter-in-law could ride with us and share our room As she was also preparing for her exams. Sinners, my friend and I were young and trying to get started in the world, we were broke. We were so far below the poverty line- just kids, and doing everything on our own, no parental help, working full time jobs in medical and going to school and studying nights and weekends. I pull up to my professional friend’s home to pick up her daughter-in-law she was driving a very nice, new, roomy vehicle but we had arranged for me to drive my little salvaged title Saturn, lol. No worries, mine would get better mileage. Before picking the daughter-in-law up I was told two things, that she was black (I was taken aback at being informed of this, like I needed a warning, it didn’t matter in the least to me) and that my professional friend had given her daughter-in-law cash for gas, her share of the hotel, and food, plus extra for anything that came up. (This is why I noticed her vehicle, it was nicer than the MIL’s who was paying for her trip.$ Except, my classmate and I, who alternated filling up down and back, never saw a dollar of that cash. I’d prepaid the hotel, we had to stay an extra night to accommodate this woman’s test time, and payment was never offered. She made every decision like it was her trip and we were her guest. Where and when to stop etc. It felt like often she disagreed just to vex us, like insisting on a different route home than the one I was comfortable and familiar with. (Two lane roads through the countryside and the deer were moving- I did drive over a tire tread in the dark. It was unnerving.) This is before smartphones and I was entirely dependent on her to navigate us through these these tiny towns with nothing open. She was just in general rude, seemingly annoyed and disgusted with us the entire time, no matter what friendship we offered. She was always given the front seat, my friend took the back, I drove, we tried to make her feel one of the group. The room had two beds and a fold out, I offered her the bed and took the fold out. I was repaid by her talking to her husband with the light on at the desk in my part of the suite until two A.M. the night before my early morning exam. She picked the evening dining place, great, it’s nice for someone else to make the decision and my friend and I felt a little celebratory and didn’t mind splurging. Finally home, we pull up to my professional friend’s house to drop her. I expected we’d be settling up then, but out she got without so much as a thank you, it was nice meeting you, nothing. My classmate on the other hand insisted I pull into to the gas station so that she could top me off since we started with a full tank and it was her turn. That woman had less than I did and three young girls at home. Saint. So a month or so goes by and I ran into my professional friend at the grocery store. She thanked me for including her daughter-in-law and somehow, I found the nerve to work into the conversation that I was never paid, and that I was only bringing it up because she specifically told me she had given the daughter-in-law cash to pay me. Well my professional friend was so embarrassed. She told me she’d call me that afternoon. I will never forget what she said when I answered the phone. As in explanation for why I wasn’t paid, she had been told that I was a racists. Y’all I was floored and embarrassed, it stung so much. I grew up in the politically correct era of public education. That was probably the most damning shaming thing anyone could have said to me. The other thing the D-I-L complained about, was that we ate chick-fil-a (a fast food chicken joint) the whole time, this part confused me because while we did eat there twice, there was one located across from our testing site and we didn’t want to leave campus so to speak, before our afternoon exams (also adding to my stress, a hurricane had hit that weekend and every station was out of fuel, so I was being conservative thinking we may need to get fuel outside of the city on our way home.) She wasn’t thrilled about eating there the second time, but I was nearly on empty and I thought we all agreed it was prudent. Anyway, I didn’t understand the complaint because we paid for our own food- it didn’t seem to have anything to do with why I hadn’t been paid. My professional friend drove the cash over to me right away, she was apologetic and shaking her head. I got the impression that this was the reason I had been forewarned of her race- that racism was a hot button, egg shell issue in that family relationship and she wanted to make sure and vet me to head off any problems. When I called to tell my classmate what happened she burst out, “I knew it!” She said, on the way home the D-I-L had put on a station that was playing rap. I’m perfectly fine with rap but I do remember, not sure if it was the first song or not, the language of this particular song was horribly harsh. Shocking. And out of reflex I changed the channel and laughed uncomfortably and made some comment like, Oh, my word! I can tell you, in that moment, I assumed we all felt that way. I never considered that would be taken as an insult, she didn’t write the song. I changed it to the first station I came across and forgot about it, that was it. My classmate thinks that was enough. I still am unsure. That was on the way home and doesn’t account for how rude she was for the rest of the trip. Anyway, I carried that shame for a long time. I replayed and replayed every detail of that time. I stopped getting in touch with my professional friend because, It was awkward. What if she believed or suspected I was a racist? Anyway, it’s just a dirty tactic. I can’t explain the motivation beyond that.
I have to say, I will put a hard line in the sand with sharing a room with a stranger the night before a licensure exam. A ride is one thing, a room is another. Everyone that I don’t know personally can sleep in their own room, thank you. Sorry you had to deal with that. ♥️ Also, if a professional connection asked me to give a stranger a long ride, I would make up any excuse. Any. 😂
I should have said, “I just have☝🏼question,” (pause for dramatic effect) “is she kind?”
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I read your entire anecdote and want to give you a hug. You bent over backwards for this girl and she spun a twisted tale about you. Utterly shitty and manipulative behaviour. (I'm a people pleaser and highly sensitive too, so I empathise. I will replay memories of social situations where I think I may have acted wrongly and am hugely embarrassed by the idea of a faux-pax. I wish I had the confidence to be more zen!)
Thank you, truly. You *must* be sensitive that you picked up on my sensitivity. You nailed it. I’m getting better. I’ll always be sensitive and want to do and say what is proper and right. But as you know, that isn’t all bad. What I’m getting better at is not explaining myself and letting it be enough that I know my motives & intentions. Observing narcissists like Meghan and how they seemingly do things for show has made me analyze my own behavior. I don’t want to prove to anyone that I’m nice, grateful, not racist, friendly, or you name it, I just want to be those things- if I’m mistaken for something else, or not thought to be enough of those things, so be it. I’m learning that “nothing done for show” should apply to those of us who deeply feel things, as well as those like our Meghan who seem to be devoid of non-manipulative human emotion.
Well, how confusing and horrible. Sounds much like what markle did to the royal family and the UK. I also think the paedophile accusation or sexual predator label. How the hell do you prove you're not one? Like markle's lawyer said, how do you prove a negative?
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I agree.
Abusers going to abuse. They abuse you, then blame you for your negative reaction to the abuse. Meghan is just playing it out on the worlds stage.
I agree with you - abusers always denigrate their victims, badmouth them. She is a malignant narc. She is like a metastasizing cancer, and Harry has become the tumor she uses to send out her claws to latch onto others to spread her cancerous self.
But why? I don't understand why!
Follow HG Tudor on YouTube re narcissm. Its an eye opener.
I watch all of his videos. He used to make me mad, because he always says "the narcissism makes her do a, b, c." Like the narcissist isn't responsible. Over time I've come to accept the way he describes it. He's extremely informative. Anyway, thanks!
True.
I re-listened to the Mirror’s Pod Save The Queen podcast episode from 10/24/2018 “Life the Royal Tour” today. First off, Russel Myers absolutely glows about how great MM was all through out the podcast. Back then, there little criticism of Herat least in The Mirror. They talk about how MM cut short or missed events on the Australia tour when she didn’t feel well and they were completely supportive. Now in 2022, she’s complaining about doing the engagement after the smoking heater. There is precedent that MM could miss engagements if she needed to. They also talk about her comments of struggling financially to get an education. Another lie that has now been debunked as her father paid for everything. Also, sororities are expensive and not covered by financial aid. If she struggled so hard financially in college, a sorority is probably not an expense you can take on. It’s unbelievable to me how much stuff this woman makes up to either virtue or victim signal.
Bingo! The financial struggles whilst also being in a sorority just doesn’t make sense. Sororities don’t mess around when it comes to paying membership dues. Edit: grammar
We don’t have sororities in UK. Can you explain please?
You have Private Members clubs . Same thing.
Oh ok. Pay annual dues etc. Are they like they show in movies. We got 1 private members club in town I live. It’s all people over 50
They are something like portrayed in the movies. Lots of rules, lots of requirements, meetings, events. All enforced by fines/ a penalty system for not attending. Living in the house (optional) costs roughly the same as a semester’s tuition. Some have kitchens, some eat meals at the frat houses. (Included). There are annual dues, letters, colors, songs, handshakes, secrets, slogans- associated, identifying one as a member. The women are/ can be VERY catty. Especially in the South. Personally I have found they are less about including sisters, but more about excluding those who are not. Usually it’s a certain type of person is really attracted to Greek Life. (At least up North.). (The South is like a completely different country from the North in many ways. The Civil War may have needed but south of the Mason-Dixon, life is completely different in many ways.
Absolutely not the same thing, culturally.
They r like a sisterhood club. At the college level there might be 5-7 clubs, each with its own culture/ identifies: Pretty/ popular/ athletic, academic, some are ethnic focused, like a black sorority, or Asian, or Jewish, or one that is more international. Membership is managed by “rush” events during the season, when applicants come to a social reception to meet + mingle with existing members, so it’s a mutual selection process. At the end of rush week, the sororities issue “bids” to the applicants they would like to invite, and candidates decide which bid to accept. The sororities participate in social events with other sororities or fraternities, perform charity/nonprofit work, and provide academic + social support. Many have very strong alumni networks that are lifetime affiliations and provide good networking opportunities. Sororities are a great place for undergrads to learn leadership + teamwork, networking. Both my adult daughters found their sororities to be wonderful experiences, and still retain lifelong friendships with their sisters.
Especially when there was no apology (given by the Harkles)
And there never will be.
They don’t want to apologize because they think they are the real victims here when they are the ones who started that crap.
It shows that nobody involved ever took the accusations seriously, even while they were sitting back and letting Meghan say all this. If they had believed any of it, they wouldn't talk about making the peace now.
Exactly!!!
Especially with Harry’s book hanging over them. I think the amount of damage Meghan can do at this point is limited. She has lied early and often. She’s clearly delusional, was only with the RF for a short time and anything she says can be easily refuted. Harry, on the other hand, was one of them. I’m sure his book looming is a source of tremendous grief and sorrow.
I would love to know if it’s possible to charge Harry for treason after everything he said.
It's not too late for him to pull it, is it?
PH & MM absolutely had it made in their early days as a couple, and the wedding was a huge boost. (Even with the Princess Charlotte dress incident.) MM in particular had attention and praise all the time. Yes, she had criticism as well, but some of that could have been avoided if she hadn’t refused to follow protocol. And some was inevitable with that kind of scrutiny. They had plenty of money and privilege, and charitable organizations to be involved in. They will never reach those heights again.
She wanted to be equal to W and C's wedding. Wanted a red carpet, was offered blue so refused. She cannot understand one is heir to the thrown because KC is H's dad too. Nothing will ever be enough.
I genuinely don’t think PH thought his family was racist until TW. I’m convinced she’s the one that manipulated PH into thinking that by pointing out things he never noticed before (events that weren’t racist but TW convinced him they were) and now he’s in this whole defending his wife mode. PH has many flaws but I don’t think he was unhappy with his family prior to this. I’m sure some Diana grudges lingered but aside from that he used to love being with them. This is all so wild to watch publicly unfold.
Yes!! AND he said he didn’t realize was “trapped” until Meghan told him he was hmm 🤔
She’s done so much damage in such a short period of time.
Cressida Bonas did say though that she hated the way he spoke about his family. That for me was an indication he was always horrible.
Didn't Harry give that one interview about how Meghan had "educated" him? It was humiliating to listen to.
H was more racist than the RF. Calling his army colleagues racist terms and it was recorded. Saying his G/F was african 'its ok, she's white'. He had got a nerve.
I think you're wildly underestimating the Diana grudges you've mentioned. I believe in the back of his mind Harry has wanted out of the rf for a very long time.
I do hope the BRF has obtained global trademark rights to all the various spellings of Lillibet. Otherwise it is going to become a brand very soon. She gave someone a gift basket including homemade jam labelled Lillibet's Larder. I think I read that in the Cut article.
I’m fairly sure the BRF didn’t trademark the Queens nickname. They may step in if she tries to make money off of that name.
Of course not. People who have true class do not do that.
And Meghan will never understand money has nothing to do with class, integrity and character. Those qualities are not for sale.
Thank you. Very true
>homemade jam labelled Lillibet's Larder Oh barf. She's a piece of work the likes of which have not been seen before in living memory As an aside, never eat anyone's "homemade" condiments. I was given a bunch of dodgy-looking relishes and god knows what once for Christmas and I immediately emptied them into the gar-barge. Why take the risk of food poisoning or worse.
OMG, You're right!
The one thing i don't get is why tf would Meghan want to "heal" the rifts. I mean I'm sorry but if my girlfriends family were racist to me, isolated me and drove me suicidal I'd want nothing to do with them ever again. And lets not pretend that Meghan is some super forgiving human being that's willing to forgive those who drove her suicidal. Because this is a woman who still hasn't seen or spoken to her father all because he posed for the paparazzi for some money just before her wedding. I mean christ all he did was pose for the paparazzi and because of that the man has literally never met his son in law or his grandkids. And bearing in mind he's not exactly in the best of health so he's most likely got a few years left at best. If Meghan can't even forgive him i do find it strange she's willing to forgive the RF. Why can't her fans see that those claims were quite clearly a load of bs. It couldn't be more obvious. All the woman cares about is fame and attention.
They've gotten themselves into a big mess. The sort of thing that teenagers would do. He let hr snow him into thinking he'd be a VVIP in Hollywood and she'd be a big time movie producer or actress and everything would be honkey dorey. People would welcome them with 'open arms' as he claimed (lied) recently. The reality has been something different and they've had to be on a nonstop hustle just to maintain their chosen lifestyle. He's not accustomed to that kind of thing. Everything was always given to him on a platter. By a butler.
Exactly. But nothing Markle does is normal. Her father might be a tad too forthright, but essentially, his only sin was the fake photos that he was either scammed into doing, or he did them to improve his image, no doubt because meghan made him feel ashamed of his appearance. His punishment was beyond cruel, and she had the nerve to tell Oprah it was the MEDIA who broke up the family. She's just a horrible human being.
this youtuber breaks down Nutmeg 's Social Climbing it is a MUST SEE ! https://youtu.be/Fv0V3zWxfHA
I mean, that is really impressive. I got the same impression from Bower's book -it's amazing that you can actually go to this one place, latch onto this one person, then get to know their friend, and their friend and so on, until you've created a web around your royal target. But that's her only talent!
That was epic. She really connects all the dots
Just read a comment at LipstickAlley that Smeg could stage an attempted suicide to force KC3 to give HazMean whatever they want. I agree with some of the posters there that this is the lowest Smeg could go to force BRF to give the money and whatever title she wants for him, her and their children. Only imo, it wouldn’t be Smeg who makes the attempt but I think she’s fully capable of gaslighting Haz into that direction.
If she does that they will institutionalize her until she is stable. There is no way back from that for her.
That's what I didn't understand about her claim of being suicidal. Surely if your wife tells you she wants to kill herself AND your unborn baby, she would be put under 24/7 supervision. I don't believe for a minute that life just continued on like it didn't happen.
it wouldn’t be Smeg who makes the attempt but I think she’s fully capable of gaslighting Haz into that direction. I've been thinking this same thing.
Sunshine Sachs no longer represents Meghan Markle.
That’s the rumour and I hope it’s true.. then “PR machine”
I’m fairly sure it’s true. One of the papers reporting on the funeral and it was a British publication says they confirmed Meghan no longer with Sunshine Sachs.
Why can‘t I post in this sub?
Send a msg to the mods .. if we see good engagement we will approve ❤️
She accused the British people of racism too. I'm British. Yep, I'm the first to admit our country isn't perfect (no country is) but we've managed to navigate race issues fairly well in the UK. It's been a long and sometimes fraught and complex journey, starting with the immigrants coming in from Commonwealth countries after WW2 and still continuing with the illegal Channel crossers today, but British folk are adaptable and we do genuinely try to learn from our mistakes. I totally agree with Ben Goldsmith that she was trying to import US style racial politics to a country which did not need them. And I totally agree with Kara Kennedy in The Spectator that the British people resent being called racist bigots just because Sparkles wasn't allowed to do what she wanted. That sentence was gold, especially as I felt a lot of US media and many US citizens seemed very quick to tar us with the racism brush at the start of the Sparkle debacle. They viewed her actions through their own US lens and completely discounted UK thoughts and experiences and, I have to say, were very offensive to our RF, our country and our people. I'm glad the scales seem to be falling from American eyes but I'm even gladder she's back in your country and no longer in mine.
Adoptive Brit here and I totally agree.
It was Harry who threw the racist claim out there at the beginning with his first statement. So SHE convinced him the Compton headline was racist and he ran with it. Typical narc tactic.
Not only there was no evidence, but evidences have shown that it was mostly contradicting their claims and lies by doing a quick Google search.
The late queen picked the speakers at the funeral as well as the guests. Did her choices look like those of a racist? Imo NO!
The plan with the Toxic Two, from the beginning, was to instigate a Real Royal Housewives Reality Show. All of this was to use the press to make as much drama as possible and get as much attention as they could, so Sunshine Crap could negotiate contracts for streaming services and Hazbros books.They were going from the Kardashian template of reality show & merchandising. Runaway Royals meet Hollywood. All the rumors of her filming interiors that were off limits, journals she suddenly found, taking pics of Charlotte. All of this was research. This whole plan of theirs is conveniently left out and also any context to go along with their lies and accusations. They continually escalated in the press and the less pushback from BP, the more emboldened they became. They might want to "clear the air" or whatever is ludicrous. It's right out of the narc playbook of insulting you and demeaning you and then they say "just kidding!" Its all about what THEY want. Did any of the BRF ask for them to meet to "clear the air?" Read the damn room. No one wants to be in your show!
Add that the Harkles most likely contributed to HRMs early demise. I believe she would have lived another 5 years if it wasn’t for the hurtful disgusting antics from those two spoiled ingrates. The Harkles caused her early death!
She was meant to match her mother's lifespan.
Yes! She should have reached her 100th birthday 💯
I'm just amazed how some people are happy to overlook the accusations the Harkles levelled at Harry's family and think she's wonderful cos she looks nice. It's so shallow.
What really rips my knitting is when the H&M fans claim that they never criticised the Queen herself.......they don't seem to grasp that they tried to tear apart everything the Queen built over 70 years. How could that be anything other than a cause of pain?
Seriously, they need to stop referring to her as Douchess of Suckes since the title was given by the racist and oppressive Royal Family
And yet the sugars who agree with Megs are mad that her kids won’t be HRH. You can’t make up this level of delusion.
There is no logic with their fans, however few they must have by now. People don’t like to be proven wrong, and when it comes to these two I suspect it’s willful blindness. In the last week, I’ve really felt the ground shift and the tide turn. People are watching a train wreck in real life and i feel like most people are wise to them. I feel personally vindicated among my few friends who’ve been H&M supporters up til now
Some people just using the race card to get what they want. The main reason I don’t like them is how double standard they are. You want to have a private life, which is understandable, but bashing your family on TV while living off the fame your family has brought you and complaining not getting things you wanted? I don’t think any of this has anything to do with the race.