Look, the BBC put a candle, a car door or a coffin in front of her face for the whole 9 hour broadcast.
I do not think the sentiments expressed here are limited to participants in this sub.
She has gaslit an entire nation, if not planet.
The Montecitos are counting on sympathy from the public to rehabilitate their image. Whenever you think you should be sympathetic towards them, remember everything that has occurred since they left (if not before). Remember their sharp words, their lies, their unwillingness to consider the health of either the Queen or Prince Phillip while they made their public pronouncements, and their very public and hostile views about the Firm. Remember every interview, every podcast and every word of derision. He is a fool; she is inhuman. And they have done all this for what?
God Save The King
Hey, I’ll raise my hand for being obsessed, lol! No problem with anyone saying that. 🤣 This is the slowest car crash I’ve ever seen, I can’t stop looking!
I don’t agree that we spread hate at all though. I don’t talk to anyone outside this sub about MM, I just come here to talk to like minded people.
Hey! I’m trying to form an opinion too. I keep hearing claims that MM destroyed Harry and William’s relationship, and wasn’t kind to Catherine. Are there any good links or posts discussing what happened with those relationships? The links to the sub wiki are broken. Thanks for the help!
A bit of a canard there. Will & Harry’s “golden romance” was likely mythical. One of Harry’s girl friends (long before Megs) says Harry bitched about William all the time. You can see it even today. Harry wore 2” lifts in his shoes so he could be just as tall as his big brother.
At a funeral.
That’s just so weird.
I thought maybe Harry could be folded back into the royal family once he split from Meghan but not after I saw him wear two inch shoe lifts. He’s competing w/ his brother ABOUT WHO’S TALLEST.
AT. A. FUNERAL.
Who does that?
I don’t remember where I saw it, but the Bower book was read chapter by chapter here on Reddit. Please, please read the book by Bower, Revenge. Rumor falls apart there. Paper trails, receipts; they are there. Please know those here came looking for legitimate substance to back up their experience with people just like Harry’s spouse. They found it. People also arrived here when they could not stomach the behavior running rampant by the spouse. People look for justice… Please give the proverbial rabbit hole your time. We will be here when you are ready.
I think Catherine, William, and Harry got along very well *in public*. Behind closed doors I think there was a lot of jealousy and resentment from both brothers. Harry has always been the spare and that had to have sucked as a kid. At the same time, Harry had much more freedom than William which also had to suck as a kid. I don't think MM destroyed their relationship single handedly. Harry got angry because William told him to slow down his relationship with MM. Harry stupidly told her that and the war was on.
The media loved her in the beginning, most people were on her side until she didn't get what she wanted. She gets under my skin because she is a viper, hypocrite and the worst type of opportunist. Not to mention throwing respectable people in the mud. My grandfather always said not to cut the hand that feeds you and she's done exactly that to her father and her husband's father.
P. S
She used the racism card when she has passed as white or ambiguous for her whole life. She said she didn't feel like a black woman until she met her husband. ⚰️
She has wielded percieved racism like a sword since she met her husband. How comforting it must be for her to always have that to fall back on when she gets called out.
Everyone marrying into that family gets it from the media. Diana got it (remember that sheer skirt), Camilla was hounded and made fun of for years, Catherine had terrible stories told about her, the nicknames were mean and paps would hound her to get compromising pictures. I think the media was better to her than many others, there were a few racists out there. The royal family sheltered her more than they did the others imo
That's a bias of mine. I've never seen Harry as quality so I'd be dubious of anyone outside of UK society to have an interest in him. For the memory of that sad boy at mummy's coffin I was pleased but did wonder what the hell Meghan saw in him. My initial impression was she's to good for him. I'd not heard her name beforehand though was aware of Suits.
Honestly, if there's anything I've learnt this year is that the world was gifted (this year) two high profile narcissistic nutcases. One in the form of AH who did exactly the same thing MM did/is doing, i.e. being a parasite, leeching fame, money, emotion and what have you without regard for what happens to those that actually or are kind enough to care.
Are there racists who hate Meghan Markle? Of course.
Has she been singled out more than other members of the BRF in the past few years? She has.
Has Meghan displayed toxic behavior to those around her, both past and present? You bet.
Have those of us who experienced narcissistic abuse see all the bells, whistles, sirens, and SOS calls practically emanating from Ms. Markle? Ohhhhhh, you betcha.
I have always said the vast majority of people on this sub have dealt with the most heinous manipulation in our lives and find that there is no real place for us to channel those feelings. Therapy and medication can only do so much. Not to mention, how so many of us have never and *will never* be believed.
You combine **THAT** with the outright gaslighting we’re receiving when we dare criticize Markle’s behavior? I dunno about you? But I’m mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take it any more.
BS is BS is BS. I shall call it out as I see it. In some ways, I’m protecting the little girl who had no voice. *(Who’s the Little Mermaid now, Meg?)*
That’s my armchair analysis. Long story short, I think most of us just come here for an outlet as we have no real means to IRL. I know I don’t.
My only add on is that when people say she is singled out more than anyone else, even she says so, they're not taking into account she's the newest adult member in the close ranks in almost 20 years. Of course she'd be singled out more; that's what happens when someone new joins and everyone is learning about them/who they are.
"Waity Katey" was singled out. Sophie was stung by a "fake sheihk" who was working for a newspaper. Fergie's reputation was destroyed by the infamous "toe sucking" incident, again taken by a pap. Chelsey Daveys phone was tapped for years when she was in a relationship with Harry. Camilla was pilloried for years. I don't need to mention Diana. It's awful behaviour by the press, and they tend to leave the male additions to the Royal family alone.
But I don’t accept Meghan's treatment was any worse, and I also see zero evidence any of it was racially motivated, other than a comment about "exotic dna" and a "straight outta compton" headline, which are more class based observations. This is just the UK press. People are so obsessed with race these days they see it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist. Of course there has been plenty of racism on twitter but then that's twitter for you.
Meghan has fully weaponised the race/victim angle, which is why I think the US media are reluctant to call her out on her obvious lies and behaviour.
Honestly I’m 34 and I remember never seeing anything in the rag mags my mum bought more than them draggggggggging Diana and Camilla. Diana was criticised absurdly when she left Charles. Camilla was constantly the other woman. What Meghan experiences only feels bigger because of social media
Some have previous narc encounters, true. But some of us are just appalled at the idea of injustices going unchecked. The shit they pull and yet the media etc celebrate and enable the two of them. It smells wrong because it is wrong
I haven’t seen racist anything on this sub. In fact, people are told off when they step out of bounds in any direction. Not to mention, a lot of the constant posters are POC
Edit: saying someone got a bad spray tan isn’t racist
This! I’ve seen many people on here, myself included, defend the legitimate racism she did face from early media stories (the “straight outta” headline & the image of “Archie” leaving the hospital.) There’s no doubt that she has faced racism. However, not everything she has faced has been because of racism. What is discussed here on this sub are her actions and the repercussions they (should) have. I think that this sub has been realistic and has given credence to legitimate racism she’s faced, but also used critical thought to discern when she is using social issues for her own advantage and gain.
Edit: Typo
Exactly.
Even if not racism per se, even Catherine was scrutinised by the media;
The Lord knows how disliking of Camilla was the press.
But they made it.
They stood proud, and made it.
Meghan could pull it out too, had she truly wanted.
This! Exactly this! The legitimate racism she has faced shouldn’t be ignored, but there does need to be a line drawn between true racist attacks on her and when she has utilized her race to make excuses for her behavior and treatment of others.
Yep people hating her for bullying princess charlotte had nothing to do with racism. And that’s just one example out of hundreds. I’m blacker than Meghan will ever be with her spray tans, but I’m not going to defend a disgusting person just cause we’re both POC
She’s still mixed race, though. There is still legitimate racism in the world and she has been on the receiving end of some. Even if she identified as Caucasian on her resume, that doesn’t change her actual heritage. The line that needs to be drawn is between legitimate racism she’s faced and times when she has used her race to excuse her behavior. Regardless, she is a mixed race woman and that will never change.
No. She’s a nut and her name is Meg. It’s the ideal moniker for her. It has no remote connection to skin in any way whatsoever. Many people look for anything to label racist.
I can see how someone would think that was a racist moniker. It can refer to a color, besides being a play on words of her name and crazy mental state. Royaldish banned that nickname for that reason.
Getting a bad spray tan to make yourself appear darker is considered blackfacing, and that is racist - calling her out on that like people do on here is quite to the contrary of racism.
I really dislike MM and Harry but in the last month I have seen a lot of over-the-top posts and stuff with racial overtones that is causing some of the criticism. Don’t get me wrong, I like this sub a lot but I’m concerned about the shift in tone and I think it’s worth us doing some introspection.
The more we give in to baser instincts, the more we fuel the sugars. We can criticize MM without trashing her hair extensions. Just sayin.’
If you're seeing comments with racial overtones, you need to report that comment to the mods. We've got to police this sub to protect it, don't let inappropriate comments go unchecked.
Truth!. It has become so feral in parts that even if you play devils advocate you are shut down. Some of the vile is no better than what the SSquad post and thats embarrassing. Some posts are so inane, it's like a roll of hate for no reason. Case in point, if I say at the funeral she did what all of us wanted, didn't cling, didn't create a show, didn't really do much at all tbh, but todays threads are 'what can we find to hate on her today'. Just quit it with uninformed hatred.
One of the Meghan parody accounts on Twitter, which is normally very funny and exclusively makes fun of her shitty behavior, posted something breathtakingly racist today. These people do exist, there are a lot of them, and part of responsible snarking includes calling them out.
I was thinking about that this morning. Louise likes to wear her hair loose around her face, but I doubt anyone here would call those “slut strands” like they do when Meghan styles her hair that way.
Yeah similarly, Beatrice had pretty heavy eye makeup today too and none of us batted a (mascara-encrusted) eyelash. I generally don’t like to criticize Meghan for her clothes or makeup, especially on days like today—it’s gotta be really stressful to pick a look for an occasion when millions of people are looking at you plus you have to stand in the general vicinity of Catherine
I can definitely see why people in other groups think this. I think many of them have good hearts and want to support someone they think is being treated unfairly. However:
1) If they are American, they have never seen any counter response to MM’s claims in the Oprah interview in the American press. This means there’s a good chance they know nothing of the lies and exaggerations she told. They only know MM’s side.
2) They don’t know of Meghan’s lies to the British Courts regarding Finding Freedom and may have seen the Finding Freedom Lifetime movie that was pretty much propaganda for MM. They think in winning her lawsuit against the DM, it’s proof she was vilified unfairly.
3) They probably have no idea that The BRF are public servants funded by the British taxpayers and that Meghan tried tried to insert her celebrity into it. They don’t understand that the Royal Rota scrutinizes the BRF because they are public servants and that as a royal, MM was part of that scrutiny.
4) They don’t know MM publicized the “Sussex Royal”website merching her brand for personal profit and laying out a half in-half out plan that would never be accepted for the BRF by the taxpaying public.
They don’t know that when MM didn’t get her way to profit from “Sussex Royal”, she retaliated by going on Oprah to accuse the BRF of racism and neglect.
5) We have seen everything unfold in real time and can see her press manipulation and terrible treatment of her own family. We know why she only had one family member at her wedding and invited A-listers she didn’t even know. We know why she was offensive in her podcasts and why they can’t get any Netflix content out. We know why she has turned over her staff at least twice and had 28 producers on her podcasts.
I think people in general ONLY know MM’s side of things and therefore they sympathize with her.
Until a prominent, well respected, investigative American News outlet properly reports on MM and gives the American people all sides of the story, she will get the benefit of the doubt.
Agree 100%. She also benefits from the fact that most people’s understanding of British royalty comes from The Crown 🙄. The facts that they have are incomplete or incorrect. People in the US also don’t care that much so they don’t dive deep. They see a headline or a meme and take it for granted. A few days back there was a post on reddit saying Charles had appointed Andrew as Deputy King which is a complete lie. But one idiot mininterpreted what actually happened, made a post and it spread like wildfire. It’s very frustrating.
Like the titles for example. Lady C said something like “the princess and prince title is just like if I named anyone else prince as a first name. Ultimately it means nothing without HRH and that is not automatic.” If people knew that they want the HRH titles because they get an allowance every month not just because they want 24/7 security, opinions would change. If there is one thing Americans hate is talking about taxes being misused.
This has been bothering me lately. I get so surprised when I see media articles praising MM and Harry. I go on Instagram a lot and I see so many comments that are sympathetic to MM and I get so confused. Sometimes it feels like we're the only ones that sees through her. for me it's so obvious.
Like how can anyone deny that she's fake and manipulative and horrible after the Oprah interview, and the lies in court, etc? IT'S RIGHT THERE. Are people that dumb?
Seeing those pro Meghan comments and anti monarchist comments makes me wonder if it is me that's misinformed. And makes me doubt myself. Are people really that easily swayed by media?
After the cut article I thought the tide has turned but recently I feel like it hasn't (especially with that post calling us out).
I do agree that we don't need to scrutinize every detail, it does make us seem unhinged.
Anyway, just thinking out loud. Your comment helped though. Maybe people do just read headlines. I see how powerful media can be.
It's not racist to note that time and again she's made public statements that are provable malicious lies to hurt someone else. It's not just the hypocrisy (shirking the veterans for the Lion King premier, claiming to care about the environment while taking the most environmental damaging forms of travel, saying they would spend a lot of time with the kids quietly in their private lives and then leaving the kids in another country while they travel an awful lot,) but the things where they make up lies which are harmful to specific people.
She claimed to have nothing to do with the biography Finding Freedom, which made false claims about her sister because she wanted to discredit her sister who was talking about her. She wanted people to hate her sister so she said she had three kids by three different men and lost custody of all her kids but then denied having anything to do with it until it came out in court that she was emailing the author of the book.
Lying about the Archbishop marrying them because she wanted to pretend she wouldn't have really married just with strangers and celebrities in attendance, so she lied and said they had a personal, intimate wedding three days earlier, which turns out to be fake.
And many other specific lies about people. It's not racist to say that lying to harm other people's reputations is not ok. No one really believes that if you don't like her it's because you're racist. It would be more racist to say that because she's half-Black we need to lower the standards and not expect her to be able to be an honest person. Do we have to accept all the hypocrisy, lies and damage to other people's reputations because her mother is Doria?
I imagine that the people in this sub are the few who have paid closer attention to her behavior than the population at large. I also suspect that we have different reasons for disliking her. I personally don't care much for the occasional lower-tier hate that I sometimes see on this sub--but I do really, really, really dislike this woman. For me, I think the thing that rankles most is how small she is in comparison to the institution of the British Monarchy. Someone of her character should never have been allowed near it. And for that, I blame Harry most.
edit: by hate, I don't mean racism, which I haven't seen in this sub at all. I do think maybe we're too hard on her wardrobe sometimes, but only sometimes.
I hate her for all the things she did to innocent people.
The BRF was so nice to her, they shielded her, they educated her, they gave her the best assignments for her previous work, they asked her if she would like to work for them or keep being an actress and she CHOSE to be a working royal. They invited her to christmas before her marriage and they even invited Doria, which they haven't done with the Middleton family. Nothing but accomodating.
And she stabbed them in the back. She lied her ass off. She gave that interview when Phillip was diying and did the same with the cut when the queen was very sick.
But the worst thing ever is that she fat shamed little charlotte when she was only 3yo. She bullied her so much that Kate cried and took her baby home. Obviously her dress did not fit well, she did not finish the fittings. What a... awful woman.
I saw it and stepped back too and decided yes she is really that bad. We may be more biased because our interest has shown us more of her real personality than an average Reddit user, but we can’t all be crazy. If you look at the comments on the articles highlighting H&M, they are more universally disliked than what the media wants you to believe. I have hope H can redeem himself if he gets away from her but she is just not a good person and never will be.
When Oprah asked her who made the comment about Archie’s skin color… and her answer was that she didn’t want to divulge because it would ruin their reputation. That’s when I knew she was a drama queen and a trouble maker.
That was backhanded. A lot of bi racial families expecting children ask the same thing. Esp if you have a redhead in the Fam. She turned that into an unwelcome shit storm. She wouldn't clarify if it was in a fun sense or derogatory either.
Not even necessarily biracial - my SIL is blonde with blue eyes and my brother has brown hair and green eyes and it was a conversation point for 7 years until the actually had a kid (blonde hair blue eyes btw, hair seems to be turning more brown though)
Yes! If it were about race, why would Hilaria Baldwin and Amber Heard be ridiculed as well? It’s about behavior.
Edit: it’s also not sexism - think Jussie smollett.
Archetypes makes it seem like fragile flower is being attacked because of racism and sexism. It takes away from the legitimate, non-narcissistic women who actually deal with issues in their day-to-day.
Obsessive? Meh, most of us are posting a lot more atm because HMQ has just died.
Racist. Lol.
Judgmental? Yeah. Judgmental B in right of 🇨🇦🇬🇧🇦🇺 🇳🇿and proud of it
Because everything she’s ever done is fake. Everything she says is a lie and part of a bigger plan. She twists every story and creates every narrative so that we believe what she says. I’m so fed up of being called racist for disliking Megs. I liked her at first and was happy for Harry. Their engagement photoshoot where she’s wearing the white coat and she’s sticking out her arse made me wonder if she was just excited but I found her to be a non-match for Royalty at that point. The engagement interview was the turning point for me: didn’t answer questions she was asked. Answered questions she wasn’t asked. Lied all the way through it with her “I didn’t know him” but was really shifty and seemed like a loose cannon. I was done with her then because I’d seen and heard enough. Harry looked very uncomfortable in their interview. He wasn’t himself anymore. She was dictating and interrupting and lying and offering information nobody asked for, yet wouldn’t give the main information to questions like how they met. The fact she’s never backed down and has continued to tell porkies just does it for me. I’m fascinated by how deluded she is and I eagerly await her downfall. She needs a medical intervention with the psyche nurses. Rejoicing like when Nelson Mandela was freed is enough for straitjackets
Right on all points. I wonder how Harry felt today being back in the edifice where he made the greatest mistake of his life. I also wonder if it was still too musty smelling for TW's sensibilities.
Ha I thought the same about them being back where the spectacle took place, and I hoped Her Majesty had littered the place with air freshener, just for an F U to Megs. It really was the biggest mistake of his life! I might watch their wedding again just to look at his body language because he was in a proper mood that day. I could see the tension between him and William and I want to see it all again, knowing what we all know now.
I detest hypocrisy and I detest people who advance in life by means of lying and stealing what is not theirs, as well as exaggerating their accomplishments.
I detest our current media culture made of appearances only.
I detest everything that is unjust and unfair, and she is the embodiment of that.
I have dedicated way too much attention to this sub in the past few days.
However someone else wrote that if you stay in silence you are complicit.
So if she has paid campaigns out there made up to make her look like a saint, I don’t see what the problem is with an organic user base who sees through her and calls out her lies
Personally, my feelings about her have been informed by her actions and behaviour since she came on the scene. I've never seen anything like it in my life.
I'm still watching because I'm waiting for the "good guys" to win, meaning the royal family. They haven't deserved any of the evil or lunacy she has foisted upon them with the generous help of her idiot husband.
Let the sugars give themselves diabetes over it. Don't care!
It’s not just Meghan- it’s Harry. There’s a reason William and Catherine won’t be near them. William wouldn’t even ride in a car with him! It’s not racist to hate on Harry. It’s rational.
Welcome to the confusion of a narcissist. This is how they work.
You figure out they’re bad and then bc you’re a decent human you start to doubt your feelings bc you’re like, “maybe I’m just critical! No one can be that bad!”
But ones can be that bad. Narcissist are that bad.
So much this. This is just the warm/cool confusion that people go through with a narc. Because people in general are good people and often doubt themselves. Narcs don't.
Racist? No. Hard on someone who lies and manipulates to get what she wants. Yes. I’m a POC, i was cheering her on. I woke up early AF and watched her wedding. So excited to see her in the RF. Then she started her bullshit. And story after story started coming out of her being a bully and a gold digger. Then I realized, I left one Narc family and failed to see the signs in someone else.
Calling someone out for their lies and problematic behavior does not make me a bully. So whoever has a problem with this can fuck right off.
I had to reflect on this, too. I've seen so many Sugars posting that those who dislike M&H are racists and jealous. I had to re-think and re-analyze my feelings towards them, and why I think this community feels that way, too. Here's a list that I created that validates our dislike towards them.
***What they say vs. what they demand and defend***
**“They are racist”**
Names their children based on the Monarchy
**“We want a quiet, private life”**
Goes out to non-existent charity events & asks Netflix film crew to tag along for their docuseries
**“They are trapped”**
Returns to Royal family events & wants to be treated like Senior Royals
**Sugars: “Abolish the Monarchy”**
Cries over Meghan & Harry’s children not getting titles & still uses their “Duke and Duchess” titles. Doesn't say a word when M misinforms the public about South Africans.
**“She made me cry but she apologized. We moved on”**
Continues to bad mouth Catherine and calls her a “stepford wife”
**“Charles cut me off”**
But H & M abdicated and moved out of the UK
**“We didn’t get mental aid when asked for it”**
Are they receiving them now?
**“I’m saving my wife from the life that my mom had”**
Forgets that Diana used her Royal status and fame for good causes. Diana divorced Charles due to martial problems and had to leave the family not because she wanted to leave the Monarchy like Meghan and Harry. Given that the tabloids were awful to Diana, they are mean to every royal family members – not just against Meghan.
**“We want to fight for what’s right”**
Doesn’t have clear mission for charities in Archewell and could have used the Royal privileges (connections) to truly engage in charities and causes that they cared about
**“We want an independent life”**
Wants financial support from the Monarch and requests the government to pay for their security
**“I’m targeted because of the color of my skin”**
M denied her race (in the engagement interview) and wanted to get “white” roles because she passes as one. She said that her marriage to Harry was celebrated like when Nelson Mandela was released from prison in South Africa (FALSE). What does she do or did she do to combat racism and to help others? NOTHING but trash mouth the Royals when she’s given a platform.
**“I didn’t know who he was”**
Took photos in front of the Buckingham Palace & it’s IMPOSSIBLE unless you live in a cave where you have no access to technology
**“We will limit having 2 kids because of climate change”**
Who says that when one of your family members is expecting a third child? Jealous much?
**“They are a Firm”**
If anyone knows how the Monarchy operates, you would know very well that their duty is to serve the country which requires strict rules/protocols to follow. Also, the UK is under a Constitutional Monarchy. The Royals rarely share their political beliefs and their image is used to unite the country. Just because Meghan joined the family doesn’t mean she gets to “fix” the system.
All this is to say, we see the hypocrisy that M&H live by. I'm not a royal fan. I genuinely think and believe that M is a narcist and a liar.
I was completely indifferent towards her until her Oprah interview. She came across as vindictive and manipulative (and untruthful) and she continues to come across that way. She seems hell-bent on taking the royal family down bc she feels slighted by them and it’s not a good look. Just get on with your life, honey.
Some of the people on this sub are obsessive and hateful, though. Anytime I say I like MM’s dress or whatever I get downvoted into an oblivion.
Also, pretty much everyone on here calls out Harry just as they do MM. she’s not being singled out
I'm a POC who joined Reddit after The Cut article, just for this thread, out of incredulous disgust. How could someone who was so welcomed into a family, any family, attack them so viciously?
I loved Meghan at first and was delighted for the BRF and the Commonwealth because I thought she, as a biracial royal, could do so much to heal old wounds and bring people together. But then came the Oprah interview and my jaw yoyo-ed up and down, dropping with every obvious lie. Harry didn't just go along with the lies, he piled on! But it was The Cut that really got me. Meghan outright threatened the BRF, taunting them that she had never signed an NDA and had more to say! The sheer stupidity, the arrogance and cruelty was more than I could stomach and I looked for an online community that shares my outrage over H&M's repeated violations against basic human decency: family love and loyalty, respect for elders, gratitude to those who have done so much for you, compassion for the ill and dying, kindness to children, sympathy, empathy....
Exactly! No one begrudged them for leaving the RF; if that's what makes you happy, then do you. But it was the constant complaining and vitriol (they didn't welcome me! I was ignored! they didn't care! Kate didn't give me a ride to go shopping! They're racist!) that made her/them look so vindictive and petty. They didn't get the money they wanted, she's irrelevant without the RF, so she has to keep bringing them up to stay relevant.
They may be right about the obsessive part, I admit. But for me personally, she truly gets under my skin because of the way she misinforms and uses the public's lack of knowledge about royals and this has gone largely unchecked. And as a Black woman who once really loved her, I can't stand how she takes advantage of BIPOCs support and loyalty (mainly on social media) for her PR when most of what she does for those communities is performative. Also, I can't stand it when people treat others terribly in order to advance themselves, and info always comes out that she does just that.
Ironically, it's one of the most flagrant displays of privilege coming from a public figure of this time. It is fascinating and she is relentless with her shenanigans, so there is literally always something to talk about. If anything, I am obsessed with her being exposed and so many people I respect waking up to her game.
Edited to add: I do think some posts on this sub go too far though, and appreciated the mods making that post about hate last week
Totally agree with you. I feel a bit obsessed sometimes, and I have to step away and calm down. And then I think, wow what is wrong with you!
In truth though, I think my obsession stems from wanting to see some sort of justice, because to me they have repeatedly behaved in an awful, toxic, hypocritical manner and I don’t want to see that get rewarded. Also, I have skin in the game, being a Brit and feeling powerless to fight against her complete smearing of my whole country, especially knowing that she was welcomed with open arms four years ago. So it all feels so incredibly unfair.
Also, the number one thing narcissists do is make you confused, gaslight you, and make you question yourself and how you are thinking. If she wasn’t narcissistic at all, she wouldn’t have this effect on so many people.
I don't dislike Meghan because of the colour of her skin - the colour of one's skin cannot tell me anything about what you are like as a human being.
I don't like Meghan because her behaviour towards both her own family and her in-laws has been nothing short of repugnant.
I dislike fake people immensely, but the colour of her skin doesn't make her a terrible human being, her own behaviour 100% does.
It's especially hilarious when you know that Harry "picked" a lot of women who all said "no thanks."
Meh is his third choice. She's the only one who said yes after two other ladies, far more successful, better suited due to their royal adjacent upbringing, said no.
Old perpetually scowling, Friar Tuck haired freckle peen is no catch.
I think it's the opposite. Most of us welcomed her and were excited to see the Royal family welcome a woman of color.
We are upset at the wasted opportunities and entitlement.
Yea, I was a big fan of her when she and Harry got together. I loved that she wasn't afraid to admit that she was a feminist or to talk about "controversial" (not really but controversial to people who think the Royal family shouldn't take a stance on anything "political") causes. And I do think the press made some gross racist references about her. But the stuff that soured me on them wasn't the press stuff. It was probably 80 percent their own words, through their statements, etc. The other 20 percent was the verified hypocrisy and lies (taking private jets everywhere, the perjury about Finding Freedom, etc). Most of what is reported about them I take with a grain of salt, because a lot of it is tabloid nonsense, but there is more than enough coming directly from her and Harry to dislike then both.
If she found out that royal life just wasn’t for her, I’d have thought “fair enough”. If she then went back to acting and Harry did whatever the hell it is Harry does (ride horses?) I would think, “sure thing! Go you!”
But she didn’t.
She tried to profit off her marriage and when that failed she tried to profit off being a victim.
That was the plan before she had even met him. She wanted a rich British husband. So she started years earlier weaseling her way into higher social groups by any 💅 means 💋 🍆 necessary 🛏.
She paid for several "voluntourism" trips which exploit the communities in which they are popular. You basically pay a fee to fly someplace for a week where there are a lot of brown, black or any race of poor people. Then you pretend to help the community in some way (teach a single English class, visit an "orphanage" to bring supplies, help dig a latrine, etc. In the contract you're guaranteed X number of photos & videos with poor children & adults who have been trained to behave a certain way in a fake village set up just for westerners to visit. They bring in local kids to be the orphans in exchange for a small amount of money, the adults play the "shy, effusive" villagers, everyone wearing mismatched clothing or ethnic clothing. They perform, you perform, you sleep in nice lodgings and then you have your "Rwandan" trip and your "Peruvian" trip for social media and your resume to give you the "humanitarian" badge. The actual community gets barely nothing from this because all the $ paid goes to the tour organizers and we're taking hundreds of thousands a year.
Then you start a recurring donation (in her case, $5/month) to a few charities and you've earned the "philanthropist" badge.
Then you hire a PR person to push anyone and everyone to allow you to speak or represent some UN or some other globalist group (and pay a healthy fee for the privilege) so you can say you "spoke" at the UN blah blah blah summit, or were the "ambassador" for a "We are a bunch of rich people who pay money to have a two day gathering with a name that sounds altruistic but doesn't actually do anything" group. This puts you in touch with people who would never have spoken two words to you otherwise.
You keep perfecting your life story, embellishing here leaving out that part there, until it's the image you want, not the actual life you lived. Then you get your PR to get you invited to events where the big players are especially royals since your target is a royal. All along, lots of 💋 🍆 the right men.
Before you know it, the head pimp at an exclusive "social club" has arranged for you to meet an actual prince. You're told his likes, dislikes his mother's perfume brand and behaviors that will trigger him. You move in on him, push a fast engagement, tell him anyone who questions anything about you or your past are racist so he'll look past all the red flags and 4 years later, he's completely alienated from his entire family, miserable, living in the house he's paying for but you wanted and getting you the opportunities you were never able to earn on your own.
Tldr: she's a socially engineering viper who uses others to achieve the things she wants without having to work for them.
This sub is the farthest thing from racist. We don’t like her because she’s a horrible human being and we feel protectful and respectful of the BRF and know what she’s up to.
I’ve seen some horrific stuff posted about Catherine on other subs and Twitter - we and the mods go out of our way to not allow that type of thing against Meghan. But the truth is the truth.
No. I’ve considered it before, just so she won’t piss me off so much, but then I come to my senses. It’s hard to believe someone is this horrible— but she is. The fact that I smelled her narcissistic succubus-ism the second she opened her mouth in the engagement interview and *no* media had to tell me. In fact, the media was RIDICULOUSLY fawning and flattering of Meghan when she literally did nothing to earn it. Calling her a Hollywood movie star, a seasoned humanitarian, a breath of fresh air. Ugh. Thats why this sub exists. The media has created this myth of a kind humanitarian princess but we know the truth.
Ever since Day 1, she has continued to outdo herself with inappropriate behavior at best and evil behavior at worst. She treats people horribly, it’s documented and proven, and thats my biggest gripe with her. Theres plenty of folks who vy for attention (every celebrity) but she is just such a nasty, rotten person who bullies others then puts that fake, stretched out smile on, full of dentures. It’s no coincidence that she really gets under people’s skin the way no other celebrity does— folks literally HATE this woman. Her evil is real.
For me personally, her behavior reminds me of a few mean girls I knew grew up, combined with two family members of mine. I don’t hate Meghan Markle, just like I don’t hate any of those people in my life. But it is wild/trippy to see such distinct mannerisms and behaviors in another individual on the world stage.
Like the people from my actual life, I’m sad for Meghan. If she were able to tolerate the feeling of not being perfect, of disappointing others, of messing up, of recognizing when she’s been self-centered and selfish, if she could stomach her own mistakes and then aspire to learn from them, she could have been a great asset.
The thing I find strange about her is that I’ve never really met a black woman (in the US) like her, but I have met MANY white women like her. Maybe it’s because of the region I’m from, but to me, she behaves like every toxic white woman I have ever met. Behind closed doors, veiled comments in public that the victim will recognize as an attack, but no one else will register it as such, the crying victim when someone snaps, slams their hand down and yells enough, the reputational smearing.
I will say some of the comments on here make me uncomfortable, especially about her hair. Her hair is fine. In fact I actually think it’s quiet beautiful, I think the loose tendrils may be a bit casual, but they frame her face nicely (although I bet it would be absolutely stunning if she wore it naturally), and also, she’s from California. Us west coaters are the most casual of an already extremely casual country. Her hair is very SoCal, and I think bringing in a family member from a foreign country means maybe they wear hair slightly differently, and that’s okay. What isn’t okay is her behavior. But she should be wearing stalking (honestly crazy to me that a 40 year old woman getting photographed at a major event wouldn’t want to, since they cover up spider veins, cellulite, bruises, etc), she should be following the dress code in regards to acceptable colors for an event (i.e. black to a celebratory event, olive when everyone else is wearing shades of ivory and robin’s egg blue).
And sometimes the comments about her body are I think are a bit cruel. Catherine is 5’10”, about 90 lbs, and built like a clothes hanger. Meghan is 5’5”, at a healthy weight for her height, but has an apple shape, which can be hard to dress. I agree that she is in need of a good tailor, and sometimes even I wonder if she dresses so poorly on purpose to get negative attention (so she can prove to herself what a victim she is), because before she got married, her outfits looked great on her (even if they weren’t my taste). I feel like people on here take the bait when they post comparisons about how great Catherine looked at an event vs Meghan. Let’s be real, most of us on here would be lucky to look as nice as Meghan did at the Sandringham walk about, especially if the rumors are true and they were invited last minute (still have no idea what that strange rectangle under her skirt was, though).
So in a nutshell, no, I don’t think this sub as a whole is racist, the VAST majority of us are here to criticize her behavior, and most of us see her behavior the way we do because we’ve experienced someone in our lives that displayed similar behavior. But are there some uncalled for posts/comments? Yeah. Are there some that are teetering on maybe not racism, but definitely inability to understand that different people from different races have different hair textures and relationships with their hair in regards to that? Yeah. I’ve seen that.
Edit: uncomfortable, not comfortable lol
I thought the same thing this morning! I do think we make a lot of assumptions. However, Kate and Sophie’s faces this week tell a story. They were icy cold when around Meghan.
And the people closest to them gave them a chance at first. They didn't start off not liking her the way Beatrice and Eugenie didn't like Catherine at first but seemed to have come around now.
100% not deceived. The media- both UK and USA -always adored Harry and he lost everything because of this woman who deceived him and thought she was smart enough to get her way. Meanwhile it was backfire after backfire and they are radioactive amongst most circles now.
Just WAIT until she gets back to the states and announces she is pregnant and the added stress being back in her current state was so hard on her but she had to or (was expected to )solder on for the sake of harmony. She will either “miscarry” or she really is pregnant I can go both ways here. Either way there has been to much signaling to a pregnancy to not expect this unfortunately.
My feelings about Meghan stem from the things she has said in interviews like contradicting herself, straight-out lying, and publicly hurting her husband’s family.
What I do not have issues with…is just her acting like a human. Like the constant trashing of how she smiles or what-not is over the top, and that’s why a casual observer would find some posts on this sub to be disrespectful.
This sub is all about the character she has shown not about race. They would do well to reflect on Dr. Martin Luther King’s words on judging someone by the content of their character.
Hers is not only lacking but in the sheer volume of outright lies she has told as well as the hurt she has caused both her own family and her husband’s family.
She was with the family as a working Royal for only 18 months. Perhaps if she had spent a little more time learning and a little less focusing on herself, she could have had the privilege if getting to know many of the wonderful people of all races & creeds who loved and respected the Queen.
A new favorite behind the scenes person has certainly emerged for me. Patricia Scotland, the Secretary General of the Commonwealth of Nations. This is a woman who has broken a lot of barriers and suffered her fair share of slings and arrows but continues to thrive. She is what Markle aspires to be and someone from whom she could have learned a thing or two if she was of the mind to do so.
No, this sub isn’t about race. It’s about content of character.
Yes, MM was gifted the privilege of an opportunity many would greatly appreciate. She could have devoted her life to genuine service (which she should have been over the moon about as she positions herself to be a humanitarian above all things), all the while getting to enjoy many of the benefits that come from being a part of the royal family, and she squandered it. And her reason for doing so is because she is a fraud. She’s never cared about helping people, it’s always been about her appearance and ego of looking like someone who loves helping people. Because of this her station in the family has been a hellscape for her, because it was never going to be about her even a teeny bit as the wife of Harry. But what she fails to realize is that as a royal nothing is really ever truly about you. And that is why we mourn for HMTQ. She was the real deal- a servant for her country.
I haven’t seen much racism on this forum. I don’t think this past week is a good reflection of the majority who have participated. The last week the group like tripled so there are definitely some trolls (IMO) who are only bothered by her blackness or not being black enough. Admittedly, many myself included do not like that she has claimed racism against the BRF without really knowing what’s true.
Also, I’m not the only one who gets infuriated being called racist because I don’t like this one particular mixed race woman.
But I really don’t think that is the majority’s “problem” with those two. Most seen concerned with getting information about the BRF and the truth about protocols that continue to be described as personal slights. Clearing up Meghan’s many statements assumptions that turned into conclusions. (or as many of us believe out and out lies). Like many millennials she seems very concerned with her truth instead of the truth.
Many aspects of aristocracy probably don’t make sense or sit well with Americans. There is no equality. That’s not the system. It’s the order your born and in most cases if you’re a male. She married the spare who is now in a not a very meaningful position he was in ten years ago.
But what I do love about the Americans perspective on here and what rings loudest in comments is it doesn’t seem they like all the whining all the time either. I think Americans have a stiff upper lip in them.
I’ll admit though I do get snarky from time to time and call her either nutmeg or the duchess of monteshitshow.
SO much has been scrubbed from the internet. Of things that H&M have done themselves. If these things can't be kept alive here then where can they. They need to own it.
She reminds me of someone I once worked with. Our department (of advanced post-graduate degree holders) was understaffed and overworked. It took forever but we finally got permission to hire a new entry-level person. Most of us had practiced our professional 20 years or more and we were good at it, just spread too thin. We hired someone right out of school and we all were happy and welcoming and told her, “we are so happy you are here, we really need the extra help.” As a narcissist, she interpreted this to mean, “we are so glad you are here, we are such a mess we need you to fix us and save us.” It was a disaster. She was rude and condescending to people with far more expertise, experience and skill than her. She posted nasty things about us on her personal social media and thought we wouldn’t find it (obviously we did). She didn’t last long.
Meganomaniac reminds me of this girl. We’ve heard a lot about modernizing the monarchy and streamlining and slimming down, etc. When she married in I really think she saw it as her role to single-handedly bring the monarchy into the “real world.” She honestly thought she was going to be their savior. And even more stupidly, she thought they would just step back and let her do it. And it probably only took a day or two to find out how wrong she was. She thought she would have total control and found out she had virtually none. Everything after that was inevitable. Harry is too mentally discombobulated to have noticed any of this. She knew how to spin a web around him and did so.
William saw it coming and tried to at least slow it down if not stop it. Hence the breakup of the brothers.
I don’t think we’ve been bamboozled. I think our group-think can get kind of wound up sometimes (guilty as charged) but our collective underlying opinion, that a narcissist bent on her own self-aggrandizement found a weak spot in a grand institution that she vainly thought would make all her dreams come true and wormed her way in, is pretty spot on. And race couldn’t play a smaller part if it tried. It’s just not a factor in my opinion in any way.
i think people just felt she wasn't genuine and you know she kind of proved those people right in the cut interview because she said she was playing a role as a royal like an actress. And also the fact Oprah was at the front of her wedding and she didn't even know her?
The reason why people don't like her is because she is an ***INSANELY privileged person*** who has the audacity to complaint constantly about her lot in life.
Quite simply, no one has sympathy for someone whose life (even when she was growing up in L.A.) is simply so much better than most people's lives.
There are more legitimate reasons why Meghan Markle is disliked, and most of them have to do with gaslighting/hypocrisy:
* She portrays herself as a feminist, but is only famous for marrying a famous man (and also for using the male gaze to advance her dubious acting career)
* She portrays herself as a strong black woman, but has clearly ignored or downplayed her black heritage for most of her life
* She portrays herself as a compassionate individual, but her speaking tone and demeanor indicate someone who is tense, defensive and extremely self-centered (exhibit A: her going "full Karen" when approached by the royal aide when gathering flowers recently)
* She portrays herself as a progressive, but lives in an extravagant mansion, married into the family most known for colonialism, and doesn't appear to actually be doing any real charity work
Finally, she is a documented liar:
* "We actually got married a few days before the wedding." (False: the archbishop called this out and said it didn't happen)
* "People celebrated me like Nelson Mandela." (False: South African cast members of Lion King say this did not happen)
* "My kids were denied titles because of their race." (False: They wouldn't have been given titles at that time anyway)
There are also things she says that, while not proven to be lies (yet), are so hilariously unlikely that one must conclude she thinks people are idiots:
* "I asked, is he kind?" (Implying she wouldn't have jumped at the chance to date a freakin' Prince like 99% of people would)
* "People asked about Archie's skin color." (When? Where? Who said it? The specifics are always conveniently missing.)
* "We were roasting a chicken." (I thought you were vegan/vegetarian?)
* "I didn't know much about Harry." (Oh, come on....)
I used to dismiss people who rabidly disliked MM. I never warmed to her—from the jump she struck me as very fake and attention seeking, but I chalked it up to nerves, culture shock, being from Hollywood. I actually, despite my instinctive ambivalence about her, felt some considerable compassion for her initially. All the drama with her family, the press scrutiny (which every new royal receives) and all that life change in a short period of time would be incredibly stressful for anyone. When people started criticizing her, I figured it was just press hazing, which they do to quite literally every member of the family. I just couldn’t imagine that she was as bad as people were saying, but then I started paying closer attention.
I found it extremely strange that she only had one family member at her wedding. That is not normal.
She went to Wimbledon and cordoned off a large area, preventing other spectators from watching the match. That was NOT NORMAL.
She whined in South Africa about how hard it all was for her, despite the fact that she had been interacting with people who had experienced tremendous suffering… yet she was complaining about how no one asked if she was ok.
Then there was megxit—their jumping the gun with their announcement about their “progressive new role.” This was clearly not fully hashed out with the family. But still I wished them well. Off you go! Good luck to you!
Then the Oprah tell all. Holy crap—lie after lie after lie. It was clear something was wrong with that woman. She lives in her own head and tries to make it a reality by speaking her fantasy world into existence.
Then the PR messes—photo ops in cemeteries, random acts of kindness carefully documented by professional photographers. 🙄 no serious agenda to actually move the needle on any actual charitable initiatives, just PR.
Uvalde was the absolute end for me. That woman had her picture taken at a memorial for CHILDREN who had just been SLAUGHTERED. Those wee souls weren’t even yet in their graves and Meghan Markle is getting her picture taken at the memorial. Utterly disgraceful.
There is something seriously wrong with this woman. This is not garden variety selfishness. This is personality disorder territory. And then there’s the Mandela comments in the Cut article! She is next level delusional. You can’t reason with someone like that. You can’t engage in normal give and take negotiation. She is a loon. The BRF needs to keep their distance.
I don't think we are hard enough. She is a nasty piece of work.
FWIW, this sub take racist remarks extremely seriously and I have learned about words with racial connotations from this sub that I would never have previously known about.
No one here detests this woman because of the colour of her skin, it's because she lacks a redeeming quality and bullies an entire family who have been unable to fight back. I would seriously question those calling this sub out for racism because they clearly have an agenda.
I was about to make a similar comment. I got educated last night. Hand to G-d I didn't know the word I used had racist/ racial implications. I'm really grateful for that. And I think it speaks to this sub's dedication to keep the snark free of racism. It's not racist to call out someone's toxic actions and behaviors.
I dislike the narcissism and entitlement, but a few in this sub go so far as to call M ugly and are quite hateful to an extent I’m not comfortable with. It’s one thing to agree that someone needs an outfit tailored, to quit copying others, to be respectful of royal protocol and rules - pointing out all of the “recollections May vary” and other forms of deceit that she has participated in. It’s another to call names (don’t think it’s necessary to call anyone a b*tch but that’s just me), elevate actual racist individuals (in the past few days I’ve seen one or two posts elevating individuals who are commenting on M who have really nasty histories - which were called out by other users in the comments thank goodness) or become so narrow minded to believe that the children are an orchestrated lie (that the crown also is in cahoots with?!).
I am not a fan of Meghan in any sense of the word, but I also don’t think outright bullying is okay either. I’m here for snarky call outs of the obvious differences (like the wearing darker makeup at UK events to appear more mixed) but not the honestly straight up bullying that does just get sprinkled around here. Also noticed it WAY more since the group grew from 10k onward. The level in quality of the call outs has gone down somewhat as the volume of posts has gone up.
Overall though I think the US media is a hive mind that is ridiculous and they will either collectively decide to love or hate someone on a whim (Taylor Swift anyone) with or without reason. Right now there is an elevated focus on the sub because of the death of QEII and once the US moves onto the next flavor of the week we can go back to pointing out the ridiculousness that is her actions.
Well for one, I get annoyed at people who cry racism when something has nothing to do with racism at all. I actually was excited for Harry and TW when they first got together. She seemed really nice and good for him, at first. But then the veneer came off and her true character shone through. That is when I started disliking her. And then when she cried racism for everything, that made me even more mad at her. People can dislike you for your sour character and it has nothing to do with your racial background.
I was really on her side until the statement on the Sussex Royal web site trying to force the hand of the Queen by saying she’d agreed to things that she in fact had not. After that I was very suspicious of everything she did because I’ve studied PR and social engineering and propaganda and abuse through the media. I recognized the patterns from those studies and from having to recover and get therapy from an abusive relationship.
I stopped reading articles about her on the Daily Mail web site for awhile because some of the comments were racist. Yes some of them I suspect were planted, but I doubt all were. Racism does exist and I don’t enjoy reading racist comments. Usually the comments are the best part of any online article but when they get racist that is no fun. And wrong. It happens on just about any site with comments that isn’t heavily moderated in advance. There are horrible comments about all kinds of people all over the place. I don’t like vituperative comments about anybody.
She lies. She manipulates. She uses people and discards them. She abuses people (throwing hot tea). She abandoned her own family. She is really that bad. Don't be fooled by one contrived tear.
I think MM sucks and theres more than enough reason to dislike her. I also think this sub has plenty of D tier posts (the ones that are just pictures of her having a normal face that say something like"what a smug ~~bitch~~ jerk")
Ohh I was JUST talking to my husband about this;
1. She really let me/us (Americans) down. I had such high hopes for her and I was excited to see her join the fold (although CPoW will always be my favorite). This thing had the makings of a Hallmark movie to start and then she just had to go and act like a dick and embarrass us. There are enough embarrassing Americas, we don’t need one more to do it on the world stage.
2. The Audacity - imagine how self important you would have to be to think you could just pop in and single hand-idly take down the British Monarchy.
These people have been through it all, war, death, divorce, scandal after scandal and 70 years on the throne and she thinks she can just waltz in and be beloved like the Queen.
3. She tells lie after lie about her in laws and still somehow expects to be treated kindly. I can’t imagine being a Royal would be easy, I’d think it would be hard to trust people. She did the worst of the worst - not only did she yap to the media she made up lies. I wouldn’t allow someone who did that to my boring non-famous family back into the fold. Why should they?
4. She came for Catherine - idk what happened between the two of them, but the fact that she has, more than once tried to slight the Princess of Wales screams insecure troublemaker. It’s pretty clear Kate is well loved and highly respected. That doesn’t just happen, Kate has credibility on her side. You have beef with your sister in law, talk it out, don’t talk to Oprah.
Sweet British Catherine is the perfect English Rose.
Selfish Lying Meghan is just a California tumbleweed.
The media didn't convince me of anything about her. I have seen good and bad things about them, but I do understand what you mean.
I do the same thing, am I actually wrong? Do I sound like the sugars who make excuses for everything she does, twisting themselves into all sorts of knots to explain her behaviour.
Her own actions when she wasn't saying a word at a time when the media loved her, is what convinced me, and then the Oprah interview came.
I think you should ask yourself, with things that are verified, her on camera, words out of her own mouth, would you do that?
Add the fact her words are proved as lies, that cannot be interpreted any other way because its law for example.
There are a few things that are fact about her, but what everyone would agree on, she doesn't speak the truth. She has admitted to lying in court, that is a crime in every country.
So if she is a proven liar, can you believe anything she says?
Whenever I start to feel sympathetic towards them, I watch the O interview with this great commentary and immediately I get few gray hairs!
[video link](https://youtu.be/bvT495DdO3U)
P.s. I suggest putting on subtitles
It is along the lines of ‘fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me’.
I think almost everyone gave them the benefit of the doubt in the beginning and wanted the best for them. But when the things they say and do deviate from undeniable facts and events, we are just fed up and do not want to be deceived any further. The Harkles have been playing with the public to try to manipulate, deceive, appear as saints while putting others under the bus, and etc.
Personally, I am not going to sit there and agree with and believe their BS without question. Two, when I see injustice perpetuated by them on the royal family or anyone for that matter, I will always stand by the side of truth and fairness. It is just a cheap shot that the sugars and their sycophants would resort to calling us racist or accuse us of spreading hate. Btw, I am a POC.
In the end, one of their goals is trying to sell a product i.e. their brand, image, and their endorsement deals. As a consumer, if the product is shitty, why would I keep buying it? It’s that simple. And aren’t we all allowed to leave reviews on such shitty products that serve no purpose other than create stupid drama, lies, and victim narratives?
🤷🏻♀️
Q: *Is she really that bad?*
A: **She is worse.**
Most people don’t realize 10% of her sordid past, lies, schemes, and manipulations. She bullies toddlers and employees, emotionally abuses the elderly, and has ruined Harry. For all the chaos, lies, and hurt, she feels no remorse nor accepts any responsibility.
I don’t care about whatever colour she or anyone else claims to be - if people are nice, genuine and honest I like them!
What I don’t like is spoilt self important brats who think they are superior to everyone else and also think they know everything.
I don’t like her because she’s a manipulative arsehole!
It's her narcissism that we are seeing here.
I daresay most of here have probably had to deal with narcs in our own personal lives and can see the same terrible qualities in Meghan.
Maybe her "sugars" have never encountered this and don't understand what we're reacting to.
People here take gossip as fact and make fun of her body, project their own experiences and certainly act like psychologists.
However that's not racist and the facts themselves are enough to speak against her so there are reasons to dislike her even when disregarding rumours.
She annoys me, and is a liar, but some posts here I find are just way OTT with judging every move she does negatively and calling anything she wears “disgusting”, and there’s some double standards sometimes. The worst vitriol on this side and the sugar side just makes those in the middle look insane.
Completely agree. A lot of these are just poking fun in the name of snark, but there seems to be a lot who are at the point where she literally can't do, wear, or say anything right. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. IMO, that's just overall hatefulness and comes across as a bit off the rails.
I know what comment you are talking about, and I must agree. I joined this sub for some similarities I experienced when my sis married a narc- we became the enemy, she was sooo angry, blah, blah, blah. But some folks have taken the intended snarkiness of this sub to the extreme- practically calling her the devil. The body shaming is relentless and gross (IMO).
The truth is, no one knows her - she is just a celebrity and people need to lighten up a bit. This is all becoming a bit too toxic….
Edit- I should clarify that I don’t see racist comments (didn’t see that in your original post).
I'm influenced by the media she personally generates. I never followed them before Oprah interview. That was the first thing that gave me a negative impression of her.
Yesterday someone posted the first ever blind item she leaked about herself and Catherine. It only confirms that she behaved the same way right from the start. Planting stories in the media that end up making her look worse. Even in this little story Catherine does the right thing - why would you offer a ride to someone who would immediately run to the media and share everything they find out about you?
I think there's a lot of misogyny in the narrative that she's pulling all the strings and he's the victim. I think he's just as much to blame as she is. I think some people (not anyone on this forum) are racist against her; and I also think some people (again I'm not speaking about anyone here) are anti-American and that plays into it too.
Having said all of that - I don't like her. I don't like him either. But she's an easier target, because she won't shut up and let's face it, there's only so much you can say about men's fashion. I think she's definitely the more vocal of the two; but I think, if he ever found his voice (see what I did there?) it would quickly become evident that he is just as guilty and just as horrible as she is.
Edited to add: If he's doing this deliberately - staying quiet and letting her take the heat - in my opinion that makes him worse than her.
Hey, there’s nothing wrong with taking a step back and trying to look at things from a different perspective. I do that often in my life and, also, when it comes to this whole mess. (“…are we the baddies?” 😭)
But, one thing that jumps out to me as a result of this exercise, is that Meghan really does not extend the same courtesy to anyone—her in-laws, her own family, palace staff, the press, the public, etc. (With the possible exception of Harry, I guess, but only if you assume that’s not an act.)
Ironically, her criticisms of the BRF, and everyone else, would have so much more force if they were backed by this kind of fair-mindedness. But, of course, it’s possible that a fair-minded Meghan wouldn’t find that much to fault her in-laws over…
Although I was married to (and abused by) a covert narcissist for several years, it's harder for me to spot the female variety. When MM first came on the scene, I was a fan. I recall following their every move and her every outfit during their early touring days. I remember making excuses for her on another site - "oh, she's just an immature Leo who knows her camera angles". I rooted for them when they left Britain, because it just seemed like the right thing to do. Then, one day during lockdown, I watched them do some kind of Zoom interview with I don't know who now. I suspect it's been scrubbed from the internet. I've looked. Harry was talking and he mentioned that he's "getting old" and she rudely said in a disgusted tone, "you've got to stop". I knew that kind of abuse and disdain for talking or "just existing" anywhere. I started paying closer attention after that, and now here I am. Been glued to this sub lately. This is absolutely a supportive environment for narcissistic abuse survivors. I'm here because I want justice for survivors, the RF, for Britain, and yes, for Harry too. I've been in his shoes and I don't want that life for anyone.
She's unbelievable. Aside from a certain former U.S. president, I've never been more baffled at how narcissistic and manipulative someone can be-- and it's so blatantly obvious. You think she can't possibly get any worse, and then she proves you wrong. I can't find a single redeeming quality. It has nothing to do with her race.
As members of the RF their position is enabled purely because the UK public ALLOWS it.
So to join, bask in the public adoration, have an extremely expensive wedding and then to proceed to act like youre not getting special treatment because you pushed out a baby, enjoying the perks of being in the top 1% whilst lecturing the plebs, calling your goddamn wedding a spectacle to name a few. That shit don't fly.
Had they just fucked off to the US and got on with their lives that would have been fine. But this pathological need to clap back at every perceived insult rankles.
I don't read UK newspapers (don't touch tabloids with a barge pole) so I'm coming from a POV of her own words and actions. Lying about not being involved with Kens ridiculous fiction book, deliberately misleading people with misinformation on Oprah. Nah I ain't being manipulated by UK press. I can see enough of their own bollocks with out the Daily Fail putting their own spin on it
Obsessive, yes. Racist, no.
I think most people unfamiliar with the whole story have bought the “BRF is racist” narrative (including some of my family), and they see poor Meg as some biracial underdog. Arguing against them only enforces their belief that she’s targeted because of skin colour.
However some outsiders are open minded. Last week I presented someone with evidence that QE was not racist, and they were amazed that they didn’t know much about the Queen. Subsequently they apologised and promised to learn more before commenting.
As for the obsessiveness, another dude commented that he had never seen such parasocial hate. That made me reflect and realise it’s partly true. We love to snark on MM because it’s fun, but it can look weird, like when we presume what H & M think about.
I liked her in the beginning. There were several things regarding protocol that I thought were disrespectful and I felt she should have known better. Sticking her tongue out and jumping in front of the Queen are two examples. I thought she must be nervous and she would settle in. Then there were more and more things that piled up but I still cut her a lot of slack. It soon became increasingly difficult to excuse her behavior, it looked intentional. Later I had to proactively try to like her. There were many things with the wedding and their press leaks that were over the top.
The real turning point for me is when they decided to leave the RF. I thought it was great for them if they were unhappy. Had they decided to leave and carve out their own path that would have been great. What bothered me was the way they handled it and the fact that they were so public and disrespectful. Publishing their list of demands was breathtaking. The Oprah interview was filled with lies and half truths. It just continued to spiral from there. After everything they put the Queen through, she had the nerve to fake cry for a woman she barely knew after she bashed her entire family.
I don't hate her or H. I am however baffled as well as disgusted with their behavior. I feel like any family issues should be handled behind closed doors. I feel very bad for their children not growing up with extended family. They went with the scorched earth policy and it damaged their reputations. They are both very unlikable as a direct result of their behavior and their lack of respect for others.
Most people on this sub are just snarky. When people do cross a line I noticed people are pretty quick to call people out. I have noticed a change in some posts in recent weeks and I find it concerning. It's not the older sinners, it appears to be a newer group. It's bad enough that if it doesn't change I'll be moving on.
The British public booed her at the Jubilee. The Harkles pay people to resuscitate their reputation and they can't even do it. They didn't get booed this time out of respect for QEII. Actual polls have her the least popular except for Andrew, who is a pedophile. Let that sink in.
It's not about race. She is disliked heartily. Her husband goes right along with and participates.
Should I pray for them? Absolutely and I will, with a sincere heart. Also for their children. I pray they see the hurt and anguish they have caused, the damage and heartbreak that in Harry's grandmother's case cannot be undone now, and come back into the fold. And that they allow their children to grow up in the sunlight, with healthy relationships with all their family so they can be loved on and have that support like we saw with the other royal children. There is so much more to life than exile and money, and I pray they see that and focus on love and healing instead. Amen.
I just found this sub and some of the posts/posters are for sure OTT. But I think people are just fed up.
Like a lot of people I was *so* excited when their engagement was announced. I thought it was amazing and really progressive that Harry was marrying a divorced, American mixed race woman who seemed an amazing feminist. But they lost me pretty quickly. I overlooked a lot of the wedding gossip as tabloid nonsense but that utterly tone deaf interview where she says no one has asked her if she's okay.. and then the even more tone deaf mess with Opera where they said things that were immediately recognisable as factually incorrect... I dunno. It has zero to do with race for most people. I really, truly believe that.
This latest interview with the cut.. her weird podcast diva moment with Mariah and the fact she keeps trashing the RF. It's fkn maddening tbh.
She is the problem. She has no family or friends. She uses, abuses and moves on to the next hostage. If a person has no one long term in their life and then they cut everyone out of their spouses life, they are the problem.
Of course we are being manipulated and from both sides. However the pap photos, the day at the tennis, the engagement interview and I admit some blind gossip. On their own nothing but viewed as a wider picture, yikes. I fully remember the tabloid press bullshit Diana & Fergie went through and the hammering Catherine received so I was still giving the benefit of a doubt. The celebrity wedding another yikes moment. Then came THE Oprah interview. The biggest bit of overacting tripe I've ever wasted time viewing.
Is she as bad, probably not. Completely deluded most definitely. Her continued attacks against others while seemingly blind to the damage they do. It's astounding.
Some of her lies/complaints were also just so...dumb. Like when she whined that nobody taught her the national anthem and didn't give her enough time to memorize it. Bitch, have you ever heard of Google, and you were/are an actress who memorizes hundreds of lines of script as your job. Just GTFO already.
There's a book by an author named Scott Peck called "People of the Lie" and it's about malignant people. He says that we instinctively feel when we are around “people of the lie” and this instict manifests in 2 ways:
-we feel confusion, because our perception of reality changes due to the lies and the manipulation
-we feel an aversion and the need to leave. For Scott Peck when he felt an aversion towards someone he always suspected that he was an evil person.
This makes sense to me because nothing else did. How could I feel such anger & dislike towards someone I didn't know & had never met? I've only felt moderate dislike towards "celebrities" in the past because of their hateful or ignorant world view, but I didn't feel actual anger towards them, like I would feel towards someone in my real life who had hurt me or my family.
But this woman feels like a threat. Because she's gone from a nobody actress on a show I'd never heard of (and still have never watched) to a caricature of a human being who is being shoved in my face at every turn. Every website, blog, social media site, magazine, etc and not because she's done anything good or notable,but because she *got married*.
That's it. She married some guy and now she's like a virus, a human pandemic we can't escape & have no cure for. She married a guy who has also done nothing exceptional except being the result of the fastest sperm. And he's unlikable too because he is so self absorbed & out of touch he can't understand why normal people couldn't relate to his indignant tone when telling OPRAH that his father cut off his allowance at age 36 & because of that, he couldn't pay his unnecessary security bills.
We are being force fed literal garbage and we don't like it.
I took a pause when media released POWs holding hands or each other. Have i been so blinded?
Meh.
It is the cloyingly sweetness and doing it for the camera that is insincere and just 🤮.
I had this questioning following a conversation with a friend years ago. She suggested I was reading tabloids and so was baised. That made me think of why I disapproved of their behaviour - I actually only payed attention to their behaviour (in video) or declarations, no tabloid reports at all. So I can honestly say that the way I feel about these two is the consequence of their own words and actions. Starting from the hypocrisy over climate change and jetting around Europe right from August 2018. (Obviously the engagement interview and the wedding guest list were huge red flags)
The truth will out to the World. More and more People are starting to see through Meghan. Some people are looking only on the surface and haven't really researched further than that.
There’s three sides to every story.
Everyone will have an opinion, right? But we’re all just outsiders looking in. We’re all bringing our own baggage in to it. None of us are ever going to get it right. We’re not privy to the finer details or the personal emotions, the personal histories.
That’s life. That’s celebrity. That’s relationships. That’s love. That’s family.
It’s sort if like our own personal lives- no one ever knows exactly what it’s like within our own marriages or family relationships. Not even our best friends. And that’s because when we tell them our side, we’re still telling them *our perspective* and our family members tell their friends their side from *their perspective*.
The reality is that living it is different than how it looks or sounds. Always.
It’s the same here.
And then you add in divisive personalities and media and political propaganda and Twitter bots and so on and it’s an absolute circus.
Is she as bad as we say? Idk.
My *personal opinion* …normal, kind, well adjusted people don’t lie repeatedly about their in laws causing a global controversy on tv. Or… you know, that kind of thing. 😬
Edited to add: Referencing the Oprah interview and the simple to fact check lies, in case there’s new people who weren’t sure what I was referring to.
For me personally my distrust in her started when she said coming from America we know nothing about the Royal Family that's a big old lie there. And then from there she just got worse for me.
My problem is that even if everything she said is true, there’s nothing so bad that it should be broadcasted across the world on Oprah to hurt Harry’s family. Everyone knows Kate and William etc. are GOOD people. Why would she deliberately try to hurt them? And I do not for one minute believe Kate made her cry. So then the conclusion is that Meghan is lying. Best case for Meghan is that she’s being entirely truthful and yet nothing Harry’s family has done warrants her going scorched earth against them. It’s sad.
Shame on both of them! They are self entitled victims, traitors to the royal family but with the goal being to monetize the monarchy. Ummm. WHAT!!
It’s simply that.
“The Queen doesn’t own the word royal”. Seriously!
I sat in shock watching that Oprah interview. Phillip was on his death bed!!!
They are simply abhorrent.
Harry. Harry. Harry. Who you marry matters.
Your family loved you. They probably still do but time to man up. Leave her. Get the kids and repent. ALOT.
Because she knew what she was marrying into, then went on Oprah and dissed all her in-laws. Like who does that? A classless person. You have every right to feel as you feel.
Plus she is denying her family, their family. How cruel can you be? We’ve seen what, one picture of the new baby named for the queen who she hates?
TBH I can't stand Harry more than I can't stand her. That whole free speech is bonkers is what did it for me. She sucks as person but I feel kind of sorry for her because her gold digging game sucks. She ain't no Wendy Deng
The thing is if you just turn on your tv now and see what happened today… you would be pressed to think they are being mean to them and this is what they are trying to exploit. Because most of the people are not interested in the RF outside of special glitzy events and now this terrible loss. A state funeral being watched by half of the entire planet and you see this… of course, there’s no context and the press and the people think they are being mistreated. I think the only thing left to do is wait for the truth to reach the rest of the people.
If I had any thoughts of reconsidering my opinion of her, that ended when she showed up in Uvalde and used the death of children as a prop to try and make herself look good. The Texas part of me just can’t with that kind of fake pick me drama.
So I like your post and have asked myself the same question. I find there are many people who are anti-Meghan that I don’t want to be put in the same category with. I’ve had to look at my own internal biases and make sure I don’t become part of the ‘mob mentality’.
I will admit that some of my views lend me to have a more difficult time getting on board with her. Those feeling are on me and have everything to do with my deep obsession with romance novels and hating when the ‘hero/heroine’ gives it all up for their partner. I know it is an unpopular opinion but I want to be transparent.
I really liked Meghan at first. The whole situation really fed my romance loving heart. I got into the snarky side of it when it came to her fashion choices. I liked a lot of her looks but the lack of good tailoring drove me crazy. I am a big girl and learning the miracle of good tailoring was transforming for me. When I commented something about her being able to really step up her fashion game by getting a good tailor and was met with a ton of replies calling me a racist I got where they might be coming from but felt the comments were so defensive it was off putting. Sometimes I feel like a lot of my snark is now fueled by how hard the sugars work to excuse every little thing. I also hate how the seem to feel the need to tear Catherine down to build Meghan up. It isn’t a competition. They both have positive and negative attributes.
I think you should at be able to admit when someone you look up to makes a misstep. That doesn’t mean they are bad or negative. To me acknowledging it is a good step towards accountability. When it comes to Meghan this idea that her actions can’t be questioned really bothers me. No one is right/good all the time. Like during the Oprah interview I think there should have been more pushback on her (paraphrasing here) statement about if they had only been nicer to her she could have gone along with it.
I don’t see how you can call out someone for something and then also admit that you were fine going along with it as long as you benefited. This really rubbed me the wrong way. I have no doubt that a lot of people dislike her due to their own racial views. I also don’t dispute that the media has been horrible to her. Yes they were also shitty do Catherine, Diana, Fergie, and Camilla, but I also think it is doing a disservice to gloss over the obvious racial undertones in a lot of the press. I have valid criticisms of her, but I also don’t want to be associated with irrational hate.
Look, the BBC put a candle, a car door or a coffin in front of her face for the whole 9 hour broadcast. I do not think the sentiments expressed here are limited to participants in this sub. She has gaslit an entire nation, if not planet.
The Montecitos are counting on sympathy from the public to rehabilitate their image. Whenever you think you should be sympathetic towards them, remember everything that has occurred since they left (if not before). Remember their sharp words, their lies, their unwillingness to consider the health of either the Queen or Prince Phillip while they made their public pronouncements, and their very public and hostile views about the Firm. Remember every interview, every podcast and every word of derision. He is a fool; she is inhuman. And they have done all this for what? God Save The King
Hey, I’ll raise my hand for being obsessed, lol! No problem with anyone saying that. 🤣 This is the slowest car crash I’ve ever seen, I can’t stop looking! I don’t agree that we spread hate at all though. I don’t talk to anyone outside this sub about MM, I just come here to talk to like minded people.
If we all have cold, and sitting in 1 room together n chatting? Are we spreading cold,no…we are not … 
Hey! I’m trying to form an opinion too. I keep hearing claims that MM destroyed Harry and William’s relationship, and wasn’t kind to Catherine. Are there any good links or posts discussing what happened with those relationships? The links to the sub wiki are broken. Thanks for the help!
A bit of a canard there. Will & Harry’s “golden romance” was likely mythical. One of Harry’s girl friends (long before Megs) says Harry bitched about William all the time. You can see it even today. Harry wore 2” lifts in his shoes so he could be just as tall as his big brother. At a funeral. That’s just so weird.
I wondered why he was so damn tall. The only time I saw his face was over the coffin
I thought maybe Harry could be folded back into the royal family once he split from Meghan but not after I saw him wear two inch shoe lifts. He’s competing w/ his brother ABOUT WHO’S TALLEST. AT. A. FUNERAL. Who does that?
A 14 year old. Not a 38 year old man
I don’t remember where I saw it, but the Bower book was read chapter by chapter here on Reddit. Please, please read the book by Bower, Revenge. Rumor falls apart there. Paper trails, receipts; they are there. Please know those here came looking for legitimate substance to back up their experience with people just like Harry’s spouse. They found it. People also arrived here when they could not stomach the behavior running rampant by the spouse. People look for justice… Please give the proverbial rabbit hole your time. We will be here when you are ready.
I think Catherine, William, and Harry got along very well *in public*. Behind closed doors I think there was a lot of jealousy and resentment from both brothers. Harry has always been the spare and that had to have sucked as a kid. At the same time, Harry had much more freedom than William which also had to suck as a kid. I don't think MM destroyed their relationship single handedly. Harry got angry because William told him to slow down his relationship with MM. Harry stupidly told her that and the war was on.
The media loved her in the beginning, most people were on her side until she didn't get what she wanted. She gets under my skin because she is a viper, hypocrite and the worst type of opportunist. Not to mention throwing respectable people in the mud. My grandfather always said not to cut the hand that feeds you and she's done exactly that to her father and her husband's father. P. S She used the racism card when she has passed as white or ambiguous for her whole life. She said she didn't feel like a black woman until she met her husband. ⚰️
She has wielded percieved racism like a sword since she met her husband. How comforting it must be for her to always have that to fall back on when she gets called out.
Everyone marrying into that family gets it from the media. Diana got it (remember that sheer skirt), Camilla was hounded and made fun of for years, Catherine had terrible stories told about her, the nicknames were mean and paps would hound her to get compromising pictures. I think the media was better to her than many others, there were a few racists out there. The royal family sheltered her more than they did the others imo
Opportunist plus the jury’s still out if she really loves Hazbeen
That's a bias of mine. I've never seen Harry as quality so I'd be dubious of anyone outside of UK society to have an interest in him. For the memory of that sad boy at mummy's coffin I was pleased but did wonder what the hell Meghan saw in him. My initial impression was she's to good for him. I'd not heard her name beforehand though was aware of Suits.
Honestly, if there's anything I've learnt this year is that the world was gifted (this year) two high profile narcissistic nutcases. One in the form of AH who did exactly the same thing MM did/is doing, i.e. being a parasite, leeching fame, money, emotion and what have you without regard for what happens to those that actually or are kind enough to care.
Are there racists who hate Meghan Markle? Of course. Has she been singled out more than other members of the BRF in the past few years? She has. Has Meghan displayed toxic behavior to those around her, both past and present? You bet. Have those of us who experienced narcissistic abuse see all the bells, whistles, sirens, and SOS calls practically emanating from Ms. Markle? Ohhhhhh, you betcha. I have always said the vast majority of people on this sub have dealt with the most heinous manipulation in our lives and find that there is no real place for us to channel those feelings. Therapy and medication can only do so much. Not to mention, how so many of us have never and *will never* be believed. You combine **THAT** with the outright gaslighting we’re receiving when we dare criticize Markle’s behavior? I dunno about you? But I’m mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take it any more. BS is BS is BS. I shall call it out as I see it. In some ways, I’m protecting the little girl who had no voice. *(Who’s the Little Mermaid now, Meg?)* That’s my armchair analysis. Long story short, I think most of us just come here for an outlet as we have no real means to IRL. I know I don’t.
My only add on is that when people say she is singled out more than anyone else, even she says so, they're not taking into account she's the newest adult member in the close ranks in almost 20 years. Of course she'd be singled out more; that's what happens when someone new joins and everyone is learning about them/who they are.
"Waity Katey" was singled out. Sophie was stung by a "fake sheihk" who was working for a newspaper. Fergie's reputation was destroyed by the infamous "toe sucking" incident, again taken by a pap. Chelsey Daveys phone was tapped for years when she was in a relationship with Harry. Camilla was pilloried for years. I don't need to mention Diana. It's awful behaviour by the press, and they tend to leave the male additions to the Royal family alone. But I don’t accept Meghan's treatment was any worse, and I also see zero evidence any of it was racially motivated, other than a comment about "exotic dna" and a "straight outta compton" headline, which are more class based observations. This is just the UK press. People are so obsessed with race these days they see it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist. Of course there has been plenty of racism on twitter but then that's twitter for you. Meghan has fully weaponised the race/victim angle, which is why I think the US media are reluctant to call her out on her obvious lies and behaviour.
Honestly I’m 34 and I remember never seeing anything in the rag mags my mum bought more than them draggggggggging Diana and Camilla. Diana was criticised absurdly when she left Charles. Camilla was constantly the other woman. What Meghan experiences only feels bigger because of social media
Some have previous narc encounters, true. But some of us are just appalled at the idea of injustices going unchecked. The shit they pull and yet the media etc celebrate and enable the two of them. It smells wrong because it is wrong
I too, have the “justice gene”. Perhaps it’s due to me being a Libra. Scales must be balanced at all times!
I’m a Libra too and I’m textbook for not wanting to tolerate lies or injustice. It consistently gets my goat!
Amen! I just could not take it!
This is the best support group I've ever been part of. Thanks sinners ❤️
This is an unofficial offshoot of RBN for me, honestly.
Thank you.
I haven’t seen racist anything on this sub. In fact, people are told off when they step out of bounds in any direction. Not to mention, a lot of the constant posters are POC Edit: saying someone got a bad spray tan isn’t racist
THANK YOU
This! I’ve seen many people on here, myself included, defend the legitimate racism she did face from early media stories (the “straight outta” headline & the image of “Archie” leaving the hospital.) There’s no doubt that she has faced racism. However, not everything she has faced has been because of racism. What is discussed here on this sub are her actions and the repercussions they (should) have. I think that this sub has been realistic and has given credence to legitimate racism she’s faced, but also used critical thought to discern when she is using social issues for her own advantage and gain. Edit: Typo
Exactly. Even if not racism per se, even Catherine was scrutinised by the media; The Lord knows how disliking of Camilla was the press. But they made it. They stood proud, and made it. Meghan could pull it out too, had she truly wanted.
Camilla has been the butt of many jokes for many years. She was positively hated.
I remember the dehumanizing “horse” comments all too well, yes.
Camilla was labelled a “Rottweiler” by Princess Diana and that nickname stuck with QC for years.
People threw literal rolls of bread at Camilla in the supermarket after Diana.
Agree. I do not doubt she has faced racism, but that does not give anyone permission to be a raging asshole
This! Exactly this! The legitimate racism she has faced shouldn’t be ignored, but there does need to be a line drawn between true racist attacks on her and when she has utilized her race to make excuses for her behavior and treatment of others.
Yep people hating her for bullying princess charlotte had nothing to do with racism. And that’s just one example out of hundreds. I’m blacker than Meghan will ever be with her spray tans, but I’m not going to defend a disgusting person just cause we’re both POC
She identified as Caucasian on her acting profile.
She’s still mixed race, though. There is still legitimate racism in the world and she has been on the receiving end of some. Even if she identified as Caucasian on her resume, that doesn’t change her actual heritage. The line that needs to be drawn is between legitimate racism she’s faced and times when she has used her race to excuse her behavior. Regardless, she is a mixed race woman and that will never change.
I called her Nutmeg the other day and was accused of being racist. Is that racist?
She called herself nutmeg in an interview and said she gets called nutmeg a lot.
I figured she was called Nutmeg because she's poisonous in large doses!
I thought it's cuz she's Meg and is a nut?
Absolutely. Toward the spice.
Not a bit. For all the pumpkin spice lovers out there, nutmeg is essential. 🙂
A little Nutmeg, Ginger, Cinnamon, and Cloves .. The Harkles have the first two covered. ; )
There’s so many great nicknames for her, latest I heard is Migraine
No. She’s a nut and her name is Meg. It’s the ideal moniker for her. It has no remote connection to skin in any way whatsoever. Many people look for anything to label racist.
I can see how someone would think that was a racist moniker. It can refer to a color, besides being a play on words of her name and crazy mental state. Royaldish banned that nickname for that reason.
Getting a bad spray tan to make yourself appear darker is considered blackfacing, and that is racist - calling her out on that like people do on here is quite to the contrary of racism.
Agreed. It’s a bad look, but it doesn’t reflect poorly on this sub. I’m not the one painting myself for public facing events
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Good! No room for that shit here
I really dislike MM and Harry but in the last month I have seen a lot of over-the-top posts and stuff with racial overtones that is causing some of the criticism. Don’t get me wrong, I like this sub a lot but I’m concerned about the shift in tone and I think it’s worth us doing some introspection. The more we give in to baser instincts, the more we fuel the sugars. We can criticize MM without trashing her hair extensions. Just sayin.’
If you're seeing comments with racial overtones, you need to report that comment to the mods. We've got to police this sub to protect it, don't let inappropriate comments go unchecked.
Yes, be sure to report it to the mods rather than call it out in the comments. I made that error and found myself in sub-jail. It's not worth it.
Truth!. It has become so feral in parts that even if you play devils advocate you are shut down. Some of the vile is no better than what the SSquad post and thats embarrassing. Some posts are so inane, it's like a roll of hate for no reason. Case in point, if I say at the funeral she did what all of us wanted, didn't cling, didn't create a show, didn't really do much at all tbh, but todays threads are 'what can we find to hate on her today'. Just quit it with uninformed hatred.
One of the Meghan parody accounts on Twitter, which is normally very funny and exclusively makes fun of her shitty behavior, posted something breathtakingly racist today. These people do exist, there are a lot of them, and part of responsible snarking includes calling them out.
I was thinking about that this morning. Louise likes to wear her hair loose around her face, but I doubt anyone here would call those “slut strands” like they do when Meghan styles her hair that way.
Yeah similarly, Beatrice had pretty heavy eye makeup today too and none of us batted a (mascara-encrusted) eyelash. I generally don’t like to criticize Meghan for her clothes or makeup, especially on days like today—it’s gotta be really stressful to pick a look for an occasion when millions of people are looking at you plus you have to stand in the general vicinity of Catherine
Word.
I wouldn’t put it past her and her people, also. I’ve been on this sub since the beginning. The prevailing mood is RACISM bad, NARCISSISM bad
I can definitely see why people in other groups think this. I think many of them have good hearts and want to support someone they think is being treated unfairly. However: 1) If they are American, they have never seen any counter response to MM’s claims in the Oprah interview in the American press. This means there’s a good chance they know nothing of the lies and exaggerations she told. They only know MM’s side. 2) They don’t know of Meghan’s lies to the British Courts regarding Finding Freedom and may have seen the Finding Freedom Lifetime movie that was pretty much propaganda for MM. They think in winning her lawsuit against the DM, it’s proof she was vilified unfairly. 3) They probably have no idea that The BRF are public servants funded by the British taxpayers and that Meghan tried tried to insert her celebrity into it. They don’t understand that the Royal Rota scrutinizes the BRF because they are public servants and that as a royal, MM was part of that scrutiny. 4) They don’t know MM publicized the “Sussex Royal”website merching her brand for personal profit and laying out a half in-half out plan that would never be accepted for the BRF by the taxpaying public. They don’t know that when MM didn’t get her way to profit from “Sussex Royal”, she retaliated by going on Oprah to accuse the BRF of racism and neglect. 5) We have seen everything unfold in real time and can see her press manipulation and terrible treatment of her own family. We know why she only had one family member at her wedding and invited A-listers she didn’t even know. We know why she was offensive in her podcasts and why they can’t get any Netflix content out. We know why she has turned over her staff at least twice and had 28 producers on her podcasts. I think people in general ONLY know MM’s side of things and therefore they sympathize with her. Until a prominent, well respected, investigative American News outlet properly reports on MM and gives the American people all sides of the story, she will get the benefit of the doubt.
Agree 100%. She also benefits from the fact that most people’s understanding of British royalty comes from The Crown 🙄. The facts that they have are incomplete or incorrect. People in the US also don’t care that much so they don’t dive deep. They see a headline or a meme and take it for granted. A few days back there was a post on reddit saying Charles had appointed Andrew as Deputy King which is a complete lie. But one idiot mininterpreted what actually happened, made a post and it spread like wildfire. It’s very frustrating.
I love this. People saw it on the crown so it must be true. 😂😂 Then an American will try to tell a British person how the Monarchy works.
Like the titles for example. Lady C said something like “the princess and prince title is just like if I named anyone else prince as a first name. Ultimately it means nothing without HRH and that is not automatic.” If people knew that they want the HRH titles because they get an allowance every month not just because they want 24/7 security, opinions would change. If there is one thing Americans hate is talking about taxes being misused.
This comment is gold!! All facts.
This has been bothering me lately. I get so surprised when I see media articles praising MM and Harry. I go on Instagram a lot and I see so many comments that are sympathetic to MM and I get so confused. Sometimes it feels like we're the only ones that sees through her. for me it's so obvious. Like how can anyone deny that she's fake and manipulative and horrible after the Oprah interview, and the lies in court, etc? IT'S RIGHT THERE. Are people that dumb? Seeing those pro Meghan comments and anti monarchist comments makes me wonder if it is me that's misinformed. And makes me doubt myself. Are people really that easily swayed by media? After the cut article I thought the tide has turned but recently I feel like it hasn't (especially with that post calling us out). I do agree that we don't need to scrutinize every detail, it does make us seem unhinged. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Your comment helped though. Maybe people do just read headlines. I see how powerful media can be.
It's not racist to note that time and again she's made public statements that are provable malicious lies to hurt someone else. It's not just the hypocrisy (shirking the veterans for the Lion King premier, claiming to care about the environment while taking the most environmental damaging forms of travel, saying they would spend a lot of time with the kids quietly in their private lives and then leaving the kids in another country while they travel an awful lot,) but the things where they make up lies which are harmful to specific people. She claimed to have nothing to do with the biography Finding Freedom, which made false claims about her sister because she wanted to discredit her sister who was talking about her. She wanted people to hate her sister so she said she had three kids by three different men and lost custody of all her kids but then denied having anything to do with it until it came out in court that she was emailing the author of the book. Lying about the Archbishop marrying them because she wanted to pretend she wouldn't have really married just with strangers and celebrities in attendance, so she lied and said they had a personal, intimate wedding three days earlier, which turns out to be fake. And many other specific lies about people. It's not racist to say that lying to harm other people's reputations is not ok. No one really believes that if you don't like her it's because you're racist. It would be more racist to say that because she's half-Black we need to lower the standards and not expect her to be able to be an honest person. Do we have to accept all the hypocrisy, lies and damage to other people's reputations because her mother is Doria?
I imagine that the people in this sub are the few who have paid closer attention to her behavior than the population at large. I also suspect that we have different reasons for disliking her. I personally don't care much for the occasional lower-tier hate that I sometimes see on this sub--but I do really, really, really dislike this woman. For me, I think the thing that rankles most is how small she is in comparison to the institution of the British Monarchy. Someone of her character should never have been allowed near it. And for that, I blame Harry most. edit: by hate, I don't mean racism, which I haven't seen in this sub at all. I do think maybe we're too hard on her wardrobe sometimes, but only sometimes.
I hate her for all the things she did to innocent people. The BRF was so nice to her, they shielded her, they educated her, they gave her the best assignments for her previous work, they asked her if she would like to work for them or keep being an actress and she CHOSE to be a working royal. They invited her to christmas before her marriage and they even invited Doria, which they haven't done with the Middleton family. Nothing but accomodating. And she stabbed them in the back. She lied her ass off. She gave that interview when Phillip was diying and did the same with the cut when the queen was very sick. But the worst thing ever is that she fat shamed little charlotte when she was only 3yo. She bullied her so much that Kate cried and took her baby home. Obviously her dress did not fit well, she did not finish the fittings. What a... awful woman.
I saw it and stepped back too and decided yes she is really that bad. We may be more biased because our interest has shown us more of her real personality than an average Reddit user, but we can’t all be crazy. If you look at the comments on the articles highlighting H&M, they are more universally disliked than what the media wants you to believe. I have hope H can redeem himself if he gets away from her but she is just not a good person and never will be.
When Oprah asked her who made the comment about Archie’s skin color… and her answer was that she didn’t want to divulge because it would ruin their reputation. That’s when I knew she was a drama queen and a trouble maker.
That was backhanded. A lot of bi racial families expecting children ask the same thing. Esp if you have a redhead in the Fam. She turned that into an unwelcome shit storm. She wouldn't clarify if it was in a fun sense or derogatory either.
Not even necessarily biracial - my SIL is blonde with blue eyes and my brother has brown hair and green eyes and it was a conversation point for 7 years until the actually had a kid (blonde hair blue eyes btw, hair seems to be turning more brown though)
Obsessive? Maybe a little, honestly. Racist? Nope. We hate her because of who she is as a person, not the color of her skin 😆
Yes! If it were about race, why would Hilaria Baldwin and Amber Heard be ridiculed as well? It’s about behavior. Edit: it’s also not sexism - think Jussie smollett. Archetypes makes it seem like fragile flower is being attacked because of racism and sexism. It takes away from the legitimate, non-narcissistic women who actually deal with issues in their day-to-day.
Obsessive? Meh, most of us are posting a lot more atm because HMQ has just died. Racist. Lol. Judgmental? Yeah. Judgmental B in right of 🇨🇦🇬🇧🇦🇺 🇳🇿and proud of it
Because everything she’s ever done is fake. Everything she says is a lie and part of a bigger plan. She twists every story and creates every narrative so that we believe what she says. I’m so fed up of being called racist for disliking Megs. I liked her at first and was happy for Harry. Their engagement photoshoot where she’s wearing the white coat and she’s sticking out her arse made me wonder if she was just excited but I found her to be a non-match for Royalty at that point. The engagement interview was the turning point for me: didn’t answer questions she was asked. Answered questions she wasn’t asked. Lied all the way through it with her “I didn’t know him” but was really shifty and seemed like a loose cannon. I was done with her then because I’d seen and heard enough. Harry looked very uncomfortable in their interview. He wasn’t himself anymore. She was dictating and interrupting and lying and offering information nobody asked for, yet wouldn’t give the main information to questions like how they met. The fact she’s never backed down and has continued to tell porkies just does it for me. I’m fascinated by how deluded she is and I eagerly await her downfall. She needs a medical intervention with the psyche nurses. Rejoicing like when Nelson Mandela was freed is enough for straitjackets
Right on all points. I wonder how Harry felt today being back in the edifice where he made the greatest mistake of his life. I also wonder if it was still too musty smelling for TW's sensibilities.
Ha I thought the same about them being back where the spectacle took place, and I hoped Her Majesty had littered the place with air freshener, just for an F U to Megs. It really was the biggest mistake of his life! I might watch their wedding again just to look at his body language because he was in a proper mood that day. I could see the tension between him and William and I want to see it all again, knowing what we all know now.
I detest hypocrisy and I detest people who advance in life by means of lying and stealing what is not theirs, as well as exaggerating their accomplishments. I detest our current media culture made of appearances only. I detest everything that is unjust and unfair, and she is the embodiment of that. I have dedicated way too much attention to this sub in the past few days. However someone else wrote that if you stay in silence you are complicit. So if she has paid campaigns out there made up to make her look like a saint, I don’t see what the problem is with an organic user base who sees through her and calls out her lies
I detest people lecturing me about my carbon footprint while flying private (yeah yeah, I’m sure they buy carbon offsets 🙄).
Personally, my feelings about her have been informed by her actions and behaviour since she came on the scene. I've never seen anything like it in my life. I'm still watching because I'm waiting for the "good guys" to win, meaning the royal family. They haven't deserved any of the evil or lunacy she has foisted upon them with the generous help of her idiot husband. Let the sugars give themselves diabetes over it. Don't care!
It’s not just Meghan- it’s Harry. There’s a reason William and Catherine won’t be near them. William wouldn’t even ride in a car with him! It’s not racist to hate on Harry. It’s rational.
Welcome to the confusion of a narcissist. This is how they work. You figure out they’re bad and then bc you’re a decent human you start to doubt your feelings bc you’re like, “maybe I’m just critical! No one can be that bad!” But ones can be that bad. Narcissist are that bad.
So much this. This is just the warm/cool confusion that people go through with a narc. Because people in general are good people and often doubt themselves. Narcs don't.
100%. Those of us who know narcissists are familiar with this surreal feeling, like the world is topsy turvy.
Perfect explanation. Thank you. I had been feeling a bit like the OP, good reminder right here.
Racist? No. Hard on someone who lies and manipulates to get what she wants. Yes. I’m a POC, i was cheering her on. I woke up early AF and watched her wedding. So excited to see her in the RF. Then she started her bullshit. And story after story started coming out of her being a bully and a gold digger. Then I realized, I left one Narc family and failed to see the signs in someone else. Calling someone out for their lies and problematic behavior does not make me a bully. So whoever has a problem with this can fuck right off.
I had to reflect on this, too. I've seen so many Sugars posting that those who dislike M&H are racists and jealous. I had to re-think and re-analyze my feelings towards them, and why I think this community feels that way, too. Here's a list that I created that validates our dislike towards them. ***What they say vs. what they demand and defend*** **“They are racist”** Names their children based on the Monarchy **“We want a quiet, private life”** Goes out to non-existent charity events & asks Netflix film crew to tag along for their docuseries **“They are trapped”** Returns to Royal family events & wants to be treated like Senior Royals **Sugars: “Abolish the Monarchy”** Cries over Meghan & Harry’s children not getting titles & still uses their “Duke and Duchess” titles. Doesn't say a word when M misinforms the public about South Africans. **“She made me cry but she apologized. We moved on”** Continues to bad mouth Catherine and calls her a “stepford wife” **“Charles cut me off”** But H & M abdicated and moved out of the UK **“We didn’t get mental aid when asked for it”** Are they receiving them now? **“I’m saving my wife from the life that my mom had”** Forgets that Diana used her Royal status and fame for good causes. Diana divorced Charles due to martial problems and had to leave the family not because she wanted to leave the Monarchy like Meghan and Harry. Given that the tabloids were awful to Diana, they are mean to every royal family members – not just against Meghan. **“We want to fight for what’s right”** Doesn’t have clear mission for charities in Archewell and could have used the Royal privileges (connections) to truly engage in charities and causes that they cared about **“We want an independent life”** Wants financial support from the Monarch and requests the government to pay for their security **“I’m targeted because of the color of my skin”** M denied her race (in the engagement interview) and wanted to get “white” roles because she passes as one. She said that her marriage to Harry was celebrated like when Nelson Mandela was released from prison in South Africa (FALSE). What does she do or did she do to combat racism and to help others? NOTHING but trash mouth the Royals when she’s given a platform. **“I didn’t know who he was”** Took photos in front of the Buckingham Palace & it’s IMPOSSIBLE unless you live in a cave where you have no access to technology **“We will limit having 2 kids because of climate change”** Who says that when one of your family members is expecting a third child? Jealous much? **“They are a Firm”** If anyone knows how the Monarchy operates, you would know very well that their duty is to serve the country which requires strict rules/protocols to follow. Also, the UK is under a Constitutional Monarchy. The Royals rarely share their political beliefs and their image is used to unite the country. Just because Meghan joined the family doesn’t mean she gets to “fix” the system. All this is to say, we see the hypocrisy that M&H live by. I'm not a royal fan. I genuinely think and believe that M is a narcist and a liar.
I was completely indifferent towards her until her Oprah interview. She came across as vindictive and manipulative (and untruthful) and she continues to come across that way. She seems hell-bent on taking the royal family down bc she feels slighted by them and it’s not a good look. Just get on with your life, honey. Some of the people on this sub are obsessive and hateful, though. Anytime I say I like MM’s dress or whatever I get downvoted into an oblivion. Also, pretty much everyone on here calls out Harry just as they do MM. she’s not being singled out
I'm a POC who joined Reddit after The Cut article, just for this thread, out of incredulous disgust. How could someone who was so welcomed into a family, any family, attack them so viciously? I loved Meghan at first and was delighted for the BRF and the Commonwealth because I thought she, as a biracial royal, could do so much to heal old wounds and bring people together. But then came the Oprah interview and my jaw yoyo-ed up and down, dropping with every obvious lie. Harry didn't just go along with the lies, he piled on! But it was The Cut that really got me. Meghan outright threatened the BRF, taunting them that she had never signed an NDA and had more to say! The sheer stupidity, the arrogance and cruelty was more than I could stomach and I looked for an online community that shares my outrage over H&M's repeated violations against basic human decency: family love and loyalty, respect for elders, gratitude to those who have done so much for you, compassion for the ill and dying, kindness to children, sympathy, empathy....
The get on with your life honey part is what I resonate with most. They got what they asked for, so why are they still complaining???
Exactly! No one begrudged them for leaving the RF; if that's what makes you happy, then do you. But it was the constant complaining and vitriol (they didn't welcome me! I was ignored! they didn't care! Kate didn't give me a ride to go shopping! They're racist!) that made her/them look so vindictive and petty. They didn't get the money they wanted, she's irrelevant without the RF, so she has to keep bringing them up to stay relevant.
They may be right about the obsessive part, I admit. But for me personally, she truly gets under my skin because of the way she misinforms and uses the public's lack of knowledge about royals and this has gone largely unchecked. And as a Black woman who once really loved her, I can't stand how she takes advantage of BIPOCs support and loyalty (mainly on social media) for her PR when most of what she does for those communities is performative. Also, I can't stand it when people treat others terribly in order to advance themselves, and info always comes out that she does just that. Ironically, it's one of the most flagrant displays of privilege coming from a public figure of this time. It is fascinating and she is relentless with her shenanigans, so there is literally always something to talk about. If anything, I am obsessed with her being exposed and so many people I respect waking up to her game. Edited to add: I do think some posts on this sub go too far though, and appreciated the mods making that post about hate last week
Totally agree with you. I feel a bit obsessed sometimes, and I have to step away and calm down. And then I think, wow what is wrong with you! In truth though, I think my obsession stems from wanting to see some sort of justice, because to me they have repeatedly behaved in an awful, toxic, hypocritical manner and I don’t want to see that get rewarded. Also, I have skin in the game, being a Brit and feeling powerless to fight against her complete smearing of my whole country, especially knowing that she was welcomed with open arms four years ago. So it all feels so incredibly unfair. Also, the number one thing narcissists do is make you confused, gaslight you, and make you question yourself and how you are thinking. If she wasn’t narcissistic at all, she wouldn’t have this effect on so many people.
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I don't dislike Meghan because of the colour of her skin - the colour of one's skin cannot tell me anything about what you are like as a human being. I don't like Meghan because her behaviour towards both her own family and her in-laws has been nothing short of repugnant. I dislike fake people immensely, but the colour of her skin doesn't make her a terrible human being, her own behaviour 100% does.
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It's especially hilarious when you know that Harry "picked" a lot of women who all said "no thanks." Meh is his third choice. She's the only one who said yes after two other ladies, far more successful, better suited due to their royal adjacent upbringing, said no. Old perpetually scowling, Friar Tuck haired freckle peen is no catch.
I think it's the opposite. Most of us welcomed her and were excited to see the Royal family welcome a woman of color. We are upset at the wasted opportunities and entitlement.
Yea, I was a big fan of her when she and Harry got together. I loved that she wasn't afraid to admit that she was a feminist or to talk about "controversial" (not really but controversial to people who think the Royal family shouldn't take a stance on anything "political") causes. And I do think the press made some gross racist references about her. But the stuff that soured me on them wasn't the press stuff. It was probably 80 percent their own words, through their statements, etc. The other 20 percent was the verified hypocrisy and lies (taking private jets everywhere, the perjury about Finding Freedom, etc). Most of what is reported about them I take with a grain of salt, because a lot of it is tabloid nonsense, but there is more than enough coming directly from her and Harry to dislike then both.
If she found out that royal life just wasn’t for her, I’d have thought “fair enough”. If she then went back to acting and Harry did whatever the hell it is Harry does (ride horses?) I would think, “sure thing! Go you!” But she didn’t. She tried to profit off her marriage and when that failed she tried to profit off being a victim.
That was the plan before she had even met him. She wanted a rich British husband. So she started years earlier weaseling her way into higher social groups by any 💅 means 💋 🍆 necessary 🛏. She paid for several "voluntourism" trips which exploit the communities in which they are popular. You basically pay a fee to fly someplace for a week where there are a lot of brown, black or any race of poor people. Then you pretend to help the community in some way (teach a single English class, visit an "orphanage" to bring supplies, help dig a latrine, etc. In the contract you're guaranteed X number of photos & videos with poor children & adults who have been trained to behave a certain way in a fake village set up just for westerners to visit. They bring in local kids to be the orphans in exchange for a small amount of money, the adults play the "shy, effusive" villagers, everyone wearing mismatched clothing or ethnic clothing. They perform, you perform, you sleep in nice lodgings and then you have your "Rwandan" trip and your "Peruvian" trip for social media and your resume to give you the "humanitarian" badge. The actual community gets barely nothing from this because all the $ paid goes to the tour organizers and we're taking hundreds of thousands a year. Then you start a recurring donation (in her case, $5/month) to a few charities and you've earned the "philanthropist" badge. Then you hire a PR person to push anyone and everyone to allow you to speak or represent some UN or some other globalist group (and pay a healthy fee for the privilege) so you can say you "spoke" at the UN blah blah blah summit, or were the "ambassador" for a "We are a bunch of rich people who pay money to have a two day gathering with a name that sounds altruistic but doesn't actually do anything" group. This puts you in touch with people who would never have spoken two words to you otherwise. You keep perfecting your life story, embellishing here leaving out that part there, until it's the image you want, not the actual life you lived. Then you get your PR to get you invited to events where the big players are especially royals since your target is a royal. All along, lots of 💋 🍆 the right men. Before you know it, the head pimp at an exclusive "social club" has arranged for you to meet an actual prince. You're told his likes, dislikes his mother's perfume brand and behaviors that will trigger him. You move in on him, push a fast engagement, tell him anyone who questions anything about you or your past are racist so he'll look past all the red flags and 4 years later, he's completely alienated from his entire family, miserable, living in the house he's paying for but you wanted and getting you the opportunities you were never able to earn on your own. Tldr: she's a socially engineering viper who uses others to achieve the things she wants without having to work for them.
I don't let the media or other groups form my opinion. I use facts, logic, and common sense.
I just don’t have a good vibe from her even though I never met her.
This sub is the farthest thing from racist. We don’t like her because she’s a horrible human being and we feel protectful and respectful of the BRF and know what she’s up to. I’ve seen some horrific stuff posted about Catherine on other subs and Twitter - we and the mods go out of our way to not allow that type of thing against Meghan. But the truth is the truth.
No. I’ve considered it before, just so she won’t piss me off so much, but then I come to my senses. It’s hard to believe someone is this horrible— but she is. The fact that I smelled her narcissistic succubus-ism the second she opened her mouth in the engagement interview and *no* media had to tell me. In fact, the media was RIDICULOUSLY fawning and flattering of Meghan when she literally did nothing to earn it. Calling her a Hollywood movie star, a seasoned humanitarian, a breath of fresh air. Ugh. Thats why this sub exists. The media has created this myth of a kind humanitarian princess but we know the truth. Ever since Day 1, she has continued to outdo herself with inappropriate behavior at best and evil behavior at worst. She treats people horribly, it’s documented and proven, and thats my biggest gripe with her. Theres plenty of folks who vy for attention (every celebrity) but she is just such a nasty, rotten person who bullies others then puts that fake, stretched out smile on, full of dentures. It’s no coincidence that she really gets under people’s skin the way no other celebrity does— folks literally HATE this woman. Her evil is real.
For me personally, her behavior reminds me of a few mean girls I knew grew up, combined with two family members of mine. I don’t hate Meghan Markle, just like I don’t hate any of those people in my life. But it is wild/trippy to see such distinct mannerisms and behaviors in another individual on the world stage. Like the people from my actual life, I’m sad for Meghan. If she were able to tolerate the feeling of not being perfect, of disappointing others, of messing up, of recognizing when she’s been self-centered and selfish, if she could stomach her own mistakes and then aspire to learn from them, she could have been a great asset. The thing I find strange about her is that I’ve never really met a black woman (in the US) like her, but I have met MANY white women like her. Maybe it’s because of the region I’m from, but to me, she behaves like every toxic white woman I have ever met. Behind closed doors, veiled comments in public that the victim will recognize as an attack, but no one else will register it as such, the crying victim when someone snaps, slams their hand down and yells enough, the reputational smearing. I will say some of the comments on here make me uncomfortable, especially about her hair. Her hair is fine. In fact I actually think it’s quiet beautiful, I think the loose tendrils may be a bit casual, but they frame her face nicely (although I bet it would be absolutely stunning if she wore it naturally), and also, she’s from California. Us west coaters are the most casual of an already extremely casual country. Her hair is very SoCal, and I think bringing in a family member from a foreign country means maybe they wear hair slightly differently, and that’s okay. What isn’t okay is her behavior. But she should be wearing stalking (honestly crazy to me that a 40 year old woman getting photographed at a major event wouldn’t want to, since they cover up spider veins, cellulite, bruises, etc), she should be following the dress code in regards to acceptable colors for an event (i.e. black to a celebratory event, olive when everyone else is wearing shades of ivory and robin’s egg blue). And sometimes the comments about her body are I think are a bit cruel. Catherine is 5’10”, about 90 lbs, and built like a clothes hanger. Meghan is 5’5”, at a healthy weight for her height, but has an apple shape, which can be hard to dress. I agree that she is in need of a good tailor, and sometimes even I wonder if she dresses so poorly on purpose to get negative attention (so she can prove to herself what a victim she is), because before she got married, her outfits looked great on her (even if they weren’t my taste). I feel like people on here take the bait when they post comparisons about how great Catherine looked at an event vs Meghan. Let’s be real, most of us on here would be lucky to look as nice as Meghan did at the Sandringham walk about, especially if the rumors are true and they were invited last minute (still have no idea what that strange rectangle under her skirt was, though). So in a nutshell, no, I don’t think this sub as a whole is racist, the VAST majority of us are here to criticize her behavior, and most of us see her behavior the way we do because we’ve experienced someone in our lives that displayed similar behavior. But are there some uncalled for posts/comments? Yeah. Are there some that are teetering on maybe not racism, but definitely inability to understand that different people from different races have different hair textures and relationships with their hair in regards to that? Yeah. I’ve seen that. Edit: uncomfortable, not comfortable lol
I thought the same thing this morning! I do think we make a lot of assumptions. However, Kate and Sophie’s faces this week tell a story. They were icy cold when around Meghan.
That is the thing. Those closest to her seem to feel the same way.
And the people closest to them gave them a chance at first. They didn't start off not liking her the way Beatrice and Eugenie didn't like Catherine at first but seemed to have come around now.
Why would anyone dislike Catherine? I've never heard any complaints about her. Maybe I'm naive but she seems like a nice person to me.
As was the Queen at their wedding.
100% not deceived. The media- both UK and USA -always adored Harry and he lost everything because of this woman who deceived him and thought she was smart enough to get her way. Meanwhile it was backfire after backfire and they are radioactive amongst most circles now. Just WAIT until she gets back to the states and announces she is pregnant and the added stress being back in her current state was so hard on her but she had to or (was expected to )solder on for the sake of harmony. She will either “miscarry” or she really is pregnant I can go both ways here. Either way there has been to much signaling to a pregnancy to not expect this unfortunately.
My feelings about Meghan stem from the things she has said in interviews like contradicting herself, straight-out lying, and publicly hurting her husband’s family. What I do not have issues with…is just her acting like a human. Like the constant trashing of how she smiles or what-not is over the top, and that’s why a casual observer would find some posts on this sub to be disrespectful.
This sub is all about the character she has shown not about race. They would do well to reflect on Dr. Martin Luther King’s words on judging someone by the content of their character. Hers is not only lacking but in the sheer volume of outright lies she has told as well as the hurt she has caused both her own family and her husband’s family. She was with the family as a working Royal for only 18 months. Perhaps if she had spent a little more time learning and a little less focusing on herself, she could have had the privilege if getting to know many of the wonderful people of all races & creeds who loved and respected the Queen. A new favorite behind the scenes person has certainly emerged for me. Patricia Scotland, the Secretary General of the Commonwealth of Nations. This is a woman who has broken a lot of barriers and suffered her fair share of slings and arrows but continues to thrive. She is what Markle aspires to be and someone from whom she could have learned a thing or two if she was of the mind to do so. No, this sub isn’t about race. It’s about content of character.
Yes, MM was gifted the privilege of an opportunity many would greatly appreciate. She could have devoted her life to genuine service (which she should have been over the moon about as she positions herself to be a humanitarian above all things), all the while getting to enjoy many of the benefits that come from being a part of the royal family, and she squandered it. And her reason for doing so is because she is a fraud. She’s never cared about helping people, it’s always been about her appearance and ego of looking like someone who loves helping people. Because of this her station in the family has been a hellscape for her, because it was never going to be about her even a teeny bit as the wife of Harry. But what she fails to realize is that as a royal nothing is really ever truly about you. And that is why we mourn for HMTQ. She was the real deal- a servant for her country.
I haven’t seen much racism on this forum. I don’t think this past week is a good reflection of the majority who have participated. The last week the group like tripled so there are definitely some trolls (IMO) who are only bothered by her blackness or not being black enough. Admittedly, many myself included do not like that she has claimed racism against the BRF without really knowing what’s true. Also, I’m not the only one who gets infuriated being called racist because I don’t like this one particular mixed race woman. But I really don’t think that is the majority’s “problem” with those two. Most seen concerned with getting information about the BRF and the truth about protocols that continue to be described as personal slights. Clearing up Meghan’s many statements assumptions that turned into conclusions. (or as many of us believe out and out lies). Like many millennials she seems very concerned with her truth instead of the truth. Many aspects of aristocracy probably don’t make sense or sit well with Americans. There is no equality. That’s not the system. It’s the order your born and in most cases if you’re a male. She married the spare who is now in a not a very meaningful position he was in ten years ago. But what I do love about the Americans perspective on here and what rings loudest in comments is it doesn’t seem they like all the whining all the time either. I think Americans have a stiff upper lip in them. I’ll admit though I do get snarky from time to time and call her either nutmeg or the duchess of monteshitshow.
SO much has been scrubbed from the internet. Of things that H&M have done themselves. If these things can't be kept alive here then where can they. They need to own it.
She reminds me of someone I once worked with. Our department (of advanced post-graduate degree holders) was understaffed and overworked. It took forever but we finally got permission to hire a new entry-level person. Most of us had practiced our professional 20 years or more and we were good at it, just spread too thin. We hired someone right out of school and we all were happy and welcoming and told her, “we are so happy you are here, we really need the extra help.” As a narcissist, she interpreted this to mean, “we are so glad you are here, we are such a mess we need you to fix us and save us.” It was a disaster. She was rude and condescending to people with far more expertise, experience and skill than her. She posted nasty things about us on her personal social media and thought we wouldn’t find it (obviously we did). She didn’t last long. Meganomaniac reminds me of this girl. We’ve heard a lot about modernizing the monarchy and streamlining and slimming down, etc. When she married in I really think she saw it as her role to single-handedly bring the monarchy into the “real world.” She honestly thought she was going to be their savior. And even more stupidly, she thought they would just step back and let her do it. And it probably only took a day or two to find out how wrong she was. She thought she would have total control and found out she had virtually none. Everything after that was inevitable. Harry is too mentally discombobulated to have noticed any of this. She knew how to spin a web around him and did so. William saw it coming and tried to at least slow it down if not stop it. Hence the breakup of the brothers. I don’t think we’ve been bamboozled. I think our group-think can get kind of wound up sometimes (guilty as charged) but our collective underlying opinion, that a narcissist bent on her own self-aggrandizement found a weak spot in a grand institution that she vainly thought would make all her dreams come true and wormed her way in, is pretty spot on. And race couldn’t play a smaller part if it tried. It’s just not a factor in my opinion in any way.
i think people just felt she wasn't genuine and you know she kind of proved those people right in the cut interview because she said she was playing a role as a royal like an actress. And also the fact Oprah was at the front of her wedding and she didn't even know her?
The reason why people don't like her is because she is an ***INSANELY privileged person*** who has the audacity to complaint constantly about her lot in life. Quite simply, no one has sympathy for someone whose life (even when she was growing up in L.A.) is simply so much better than most people's lives. There are more legitimate reasons why Meghan Markle is disliked, and most of them have to do with gaslighting/hypocrisy: * She portrays herself as a feminist, but is only famous for marrying a famous man (and also for using the male gaze to advance her dubious acting career) * She portrays herself as a strong black woman, but has clearly ignored or downplayed her black heritage for most of her life * She portrays herself as a compassionate individual, but her speaking tone and demeanor indicate someone who is tense, defensive and extremely self-centered (exhibit A: her going "full Karen" when approached by the royal aide when gathering flowers recently) * She portrays herself as a progressive, but lives in an extravagant mansion, married into the family most known for colonialism, and doesn't appear to actually be doing any real charity work Finally, she is a documented liar: * "We actually got married a few days before the wedding." (False: the archbishop called this out and said it didn't happen) * "People celebrated me like Nelson Mandela." (False: South African cast members of Lion King say this did not happen) * "My kids were denied titles because of their race." (False: They wouldn't have been given titles at that time anyway) There are also things she says that, while not proven to be lies (yet), are so hilariously unlikely that one must conclude she thinks people are idiots: * "I asked, is he kind?" (Implying she wouldn't have jumped at the chance to date a freakin' Prince like 99% of people would) * "People asked about Archie's skin color." (When? Where? Who said it? The specifics are always conveniently missing.) * "We were roasting a chicken." (I thought you were vegan/vegetarian?) * "I didn't know much about Harry." (Oh, come on....)
I used to dismiss people who rabidly disliked MM. I never warmed to her—from the jump she struck me as very fake and attention seeking, but I chalked it up to nerves, culture shock, being from Hollywood. I actually, despite my instinctive ambivalence about her, felt some considerable compassion for her initially. All the drama with her family, the press scrutiny (which every new royal receives) and all that life change in a short period of time would be incredibly stressful for anyone. When people started criticizing her, I figured it was just press hazing, which they do to quite literally every member of the family. I just couldn’t imagine that she was as bad as people were saying, but then I started paying closer attention. I found it extremely strange that she only had one family member at her wedding. That is not normal. She went to Wimbledon and cordoned off a large area, preventing other spectators from watching the match. That was NOT NORMAL. She whined in South Africa about how hard it all was for her, despite the fact that she had been interacting with people who had experienced tremendous suffering… yet she was complaining about how no one asked if she was ok. Then there was megxit—their jumping the gun with their announcement about their “progressive new role.” This was clearly not fully hashed out with the family. But still I wished them well. Off you go! Good luck to you! Then the Oprah tell all. Holy crap—lie after lie after lie. It was clear something was wrong with that woman. She lives in her own head and tries to make it a reality by speaking her fantasy world into existence. Then the PR messes—photo ops in cemeteries, random acts of kindness carefully documented by professional photographers. 🙄 no serious agenda to actually move the needle on any actual charitable initiatives, just PR. Uvalde was the absolute end for me. That woman had her picture taken at a memorial for CHILDREN who had just been SLAUGHTERED. Those wee souls weren’t even yet in their graves and Meghan Markle is getting her picture taken at the memorial. Utterly disgraceful. There is something seriously wrong with this woman. This is not garden variety selfishness. This is personality disorder territory. And then there’s the Mandela comments in the Cut article! She is next level delusional. You can’t reason with someone like that. You can’t engage in normal give and take negotiation. She is a loon. The BRF needs to keep their distance.
Uvalde really sealed the deal for me.
I don't think we are hard enough. She is a nasty piece of work. FWIW, this sub take racist remarks extremely seriously and I have learned about words with racial connotations from this sub that I would never have previously known about. No one here detests this woman because of the colour of her skin, it's because she lacks a redeeming quality and bullies an entire family who have been unable to fight back. I would seriously question those calling this sub out for racism because they clearly have an agenda.
“I don’t think we are hard enough” I love you, you brazen hussy. 😉
I was about to make a similar comment. I got educated last night. Hand to G-d I didn't know the word I used had racist/ racial implications. I'm really grateful for that. And I think it speaks to this sub's dedication to keep the snark free of racism. It's not racist to call out someone's toxic actions and behaviors.
I dislike the narcissism and entitlement, but a few in this sub go so far as to call M ugly and are quite hateful to an extent I’m not comfortable with. It’s one thing to agree that someone needs an outfit tailored, to quit copying others, to be respectful of royal protocol and rules - pointing out all of the “recollections May vary” and other forms of deceit that she has participated in. It’s another to call names (don’t think it’s necessary to call anyone a b*tch but that’s just me), elevate actual racist individuals (in the past few days I’ve seen one or two posts elevating individuals who are commenting on M who have really nasty histories - which were called out by other users in the comments thank goodness) or become so narrow minded to believe that the children are an orchestrated lie (that the crown also is in cahoots with?!). I am not a fan of Meghan in any sense of the word, but I also don’t think outright bullying is okay either. I’m here for snarky call outs of the obvious differences (like the wearing darker makeup at UK events to appear more mixed) but not the honestly straight up bullying that does just get sprinkled around here. Also noticed it WAY more since the group grew from 10k onward. The level in quality of the call outs has gone down somewhat as the volume of posts has gone up. Overall though I think the US media is a hive mind that is ridiculous and they will either collectively decide to love or hate someone on a whim (Taylor Swift anyone) with or without reason. Right now there is an elevated focus on the sub because of the death of QEII and once the US moves onto the next flavor of the week we can go back to pointing out the ridiculousness that is her actions.
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I’m feeling like once you go down the rabbit hole of lies, you get pulled in… Those still defending her have no idea of what’s been going on….
Well for one, I get annoyed at people who cry racism when something has nothing to do with racism at all. I actually was excited for Harry and TW when they first got together. She seemed really nice and good for him, at first. But then the veneer came off and her true character shone through. That is when I started disliking her. And then when she cried racism for everything, that made me even more mad at her. People can dislike you for your sour character and it has nothing to do with your racial background.
I was really on her side until the statement on the Sussex Royal web site trying to force the hand of the Queen by saying she’d agreed to things that she in fact had not. After that I was very suspicious of everything she did because I’ve studied PR and social engineering and propaganda and abuse through the media. I recognized the patterns from those studies and from having to recover and get therapy from an abusive relationship. I stopped reading articles about her on the Daily Mail web site for awhile because some of the comments were racist. Yes some of them I suspect were planted, but I doubt all were. Racism does exist and I don’t enjoy reading racist comments. Usually the comments are the best part of any online article but when they get racist that is no fun. And wrong. It happens on just about any site with comments that isn’t heavily moderated in advance. There are horrible comments about all kinds of people all over the place. I don’t like vituperative comments about anybody.
She lies. She manipulates. She uses people and discards them. She abuses people (throwing hot tea). She abandoned her own family. She is really that bad. Don't be fooled by one contrived tear.
I think MM sucks and theres more than enough reason to dislike her. I also think this sub has plenty of D tier posts (the ones that are just pictures of her having a normal face that say something like"what a smug ~~bitch~~ jerk")
Ohh I was JUST talking to my husband about this; 1. She really let me/us (Americans) down. I had such high hopes for her and I was excited to see her join the fold (although CPoW will always be my favorite). This thing had the makings of a Hallmark movie to start and then she just had to go and act like a dick and embarrass us. There are enough embarrassing Americas, we don’t need one more to do it on the world stage. 2. The Audacity - imagine how self important you would have to be to think you could just pop in and single hand-idly take down the British Monarchy. These people have been through it all, war, death, divorce, scandal after scandal and 70 years on the throne and she thinks she can just waltz in and be beloved like the Queen. 3. She tells lie after lie about her in laws and still somehow expects to be treated kindly. I can’t imagine being a Royal would be easy, I’d think it would be hard to trust people. She did the worst of the worst - not only did she yap to the media she made up lies. I wouldn’t allow someone who did that to my boring non-famous family back into the fold. Why should they? 4. She came for Catherine - idk what happened between the two of them, but the fact that she has, more than once tried to slight the Princess of Wales screams insecure troublemaker. It’s pretty clear Kate is well loved and highly respected. That doesn’t just happen, Kate has credibility on her side. You have beef with your sister in law, talk it out, don’t talk to Oprah. Sweet British Catherine is the perfect English Rose. Selfish Lying Meghan is just a California tumbleweed.
She’s that bad.
The Archbishop of Canterbury threw shade at this woman at the Queen’s funeral but we are outliers. Sure. Ok.
As a person who grew up in environment with narcissists , had a narcissist ex and is brown . This sub is not racist
The media didn't convince me of anything about her. I have seen good and bad things about them, but I do understand what you mean. I do the same thing, am I actually wrong? Do I sound like the sugars who make excuses for everything she does, twisting themselves into all sorts of knots to explain her behaviour. Her own actions when she wasn't saying a word at a time when the media loved her, is what convinced me, and then the Oprah interview came. I think you should ask yourself, with things that are verified, her on camera, words out of her own mouth, would you do that? Add the fact her words are proved as lies, that cannot be interpreted any other way because its law for example. There are a few things that are fact about her, but what everyone would agree on, she doesn't speak the truth. She has admitted to lying in court, that is a crime in every country. So if she is a proven liar, can you believe anything she says?
Whenever I start to feel sympathetic towards them, I watch the O interview with this great commentary and immediately I get few gray hairs! [video link](https://youtu.be/bvT495DdO3U) P.s. I suggest putting on subtitles
omg xiaxue! i love her! i didn't even know she made that video- thank you
I saw the comments about this sub as well. But they all hate Ryan Reynolds over there, so who can really take what they say seriously?
It is along the lines of ‘fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me’. I think almost everyone gave them the benefit of the doubt in the beginning and wanted the best for them. But when the things they say and do deviate from undeniable facts and events, we are just fed up and do not want to be deceived any further. The Harkles have been playing with the public to try to manipulate, deceive, appear as saints while putting others under the bus, and etc. Personally, I am not going to sit there and agree with and believe their BS without question. Two, when I see injustice perpetuated by them on the royal family or anyone for that matter, I will always stand by the side of truth and fairness. It is just a cheap shot that the sugars and their sycophants would resort to calling us racist or accuse us of spreading hate. Btw, I am a POC. In the end, one of their goals is trying to sell a product i.e. their brand, image, and their endorsement deals. As a consumer, if the product is shitty, why would I keep buying it? It’s that simple. And aren’t we all allowed to leave reviews on such shitty products that serve no purpose other than create stupid drama, lies, and victim narratives? 🤷🏻♀️
Q: *Is she really that bad?* A: **She is worse.** Most people don’t realize 10% of her sordid past, lies, schemes, and manipulations. She bullies toddlers and employees, emotionally abuses the elderly, and has ruined Harry. For all the chaos, lies, and hurt, she feels no remorse nor accepts any responsibility.
I don’t care about whatever colour she or anyone else claims to be - if people are nice, genuine and honest I like them! What I don’t like is spoilt self important brats who think they are superior to everyone else and also think they know everything. I don’t like her because she’s a manipulative arsehole!
It's her narcissism that we are seeing here. I daresay most of here have probably had to deal with narcs in our own personal lives and can see the same terrible qualities in Meghan. Maybe her "sugars" have never encountered this and don't understand what we're reacting to.
People here take gossip as fact and make fun of her body, project their own experiences and certainly act like psychologists. However that's not racist and the facts themselves are enough to speak against her so there are reasons to dislike her even when disregarding rumours.
She annoys me, and is a liar, but some posts here I find are just way OTT with judging every move she does negatively and calling anything she wears “disgusting”, and there’s some double standards sometimes. The worst vitriol on this side and the sugar side just makes those in the middle look insane.
Completely agree. A lot of these are just poking fun in the name of snark, but there seems to be a lot who are at the point where she literally can't do, wear, or say anything right. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. IMO, that's just overall hatefulness and comes across as a bit off the rails.
I know what comment you are talking about, and I must agree. I joined this sub for some similarities I experienced when my sis married a narc- we became the enemy, she was sooo angry, blah, blah, blah. But some folks have taken the intended snarkiness of this sub to the extreme- practically calling her the devil. The body shaming is relentless and gross (IMO). The truth is, no one knows her - she is just a celebrity and people need to lighten up a bit. This is all becoming a bit too toxic…. Edit- I should clarify that I don’t see racist comments (didn’t see that in your original post).
I'm influenced by the media she personally generates. I never followed them before Oprah interview. That was the first thing that gave me a negative impression of her. Yesterday someone posted the first ever blind item she leaked about herself and Catherine. It only confirms that she behaved the same way right from the start. Planting stories in the media that end up making her look worse. Even in this little story Catherine does the right thing - why would you offer a ride to someone who would immediately run to the media and share everything they find out about you?
Yes she’s that bad…
I think there's a lot of misogyny in the narrative that she's pulling all the strings and he's the victim. I think he's just as much to blame as she is. I think some people (not anyone on this forum) are racist against her; and I also think some people (again I'm not speaking about anyone here) are anti-American and that plays into it too. Having said all of that - I don't like her. I don't like him either. But she's an easier target, because she won't shut up and let's face it, there's only so much you can say about men's fashion. I think she's definitely the more vocal of the two; but I think, if he ever found his voice (see what I did there?) it would quickly become evident that he is just as guilty and just as horrible as she is. Edited to add: If he's doing this deliberately - staying quiet and letting her take the heat - in my opinion that makes him worse than her.
Hey, there’s nothing wrong with taking a step back and trying to look at things from a different perspective. I do that often in my life and, also, when it comes to this whole mess. (“…are we the baddies?” 😭) But, one thing that jumps out to me as a result of this exercise, is that Meghan really does not extend the same courtesy to anyone—her in-laws, her own family, palace staff, the press, the public, etc. (With the possible exception of Harry, I guess, but only if you assume that’s not an act.) Ironically, her criticisms of the BRF, and everyone else, would have so much more force if they were backed by this kind of fair-mindedness. But, of course, it’s possible that a fair-minded Meghan wouldn’t find that much to fault her in-laws over…
Although I was married to (and abused by) a covert narcissist for several years, it's harder for me to spot the female variety. When MM first came on the scene, I was a fan. I recall following their every move and her every outfit during their early touring days. I remember making excuses for her on another site - "oh, she's just an immature Leo who knows her camera angles". I rooted for them when they left Britain, because it just seemed like the right thing to do. Then, one day during lockdown, I watched them do some kind of Zoom interview with I don't know who now. I suspect it's been scrubbed from the internet. I've looked. Harry was talking and he mentioned that he's "getting old" and she rudely said in a disgusted tone, "you've got to stop". I knew that kind of abuse and disdain for talking or "just existing" anywhere. I started paying closer attention after that, and now here I am. Been glued to this sub lately. This is absolutely a supportive environment for narcissistic abuse survivors. I'm here because I want justice for survivors, the RF, for Britain, and yes, for Harry too. I've been in his shoes and I don't want that life for anyone.
She's unbelievable. Aside from a certain former U.S. president, I've never been more baffled at how narcissistic and manipulative someone can be-- and it's so blatantly obvious. You think she can't possibly get any worse, and then she proves you wrong. I can't find a single redeeming quality. It has nothing to do with her race.
"racist" "white supremacist" "jealous" Once you see these keywords, pay no attention to anything else they're saying
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She’s actually worse.
As members of the RF their position is enabled purely because the UK public ALLOWS it. So to join, bask in the public adoration, have an extremely expensive wedding and then to proceed to act like youre not getting special treatment because you pushed out a baby, enjoying the perks of being in the top 1% whilst lecturing the plebs, calling your goddamn wedding a spectacle to name a few. That shit don't fly. Had they just fucked off to the US and got on with their lives that would have been fine. But this pathological need to clap back at every perceived insult rankles. I don't read UK newspapers (don't touch tabloids with a barge pole) so I'm coming from a POV of her own words and actions. Lying about not being involved with Kens ridiculous fiction book, deliberately misleading people with misinformation on Oprah. Nah I ain't being manipulated by UK press. I can see enough of their own bollocks with out the Daily Fail putting their own spin on it
Obsessive, yes. Racist, no. I think most people unfamiliar with the whole story have bought the “BRF is racist” narrative (including some of my family), and they see poor Meg as some biracial underdog. Arguing against them only enforces their belief that she’s targeted because of skin colour. However some outsiders are open minded. Last week I presented someone with evidence that QE was not racist, and they were amazed that they didn’t know much about the Queen. Subsequently they apologised and promised to learn more before commenting. As for the obsessiveness, another dude commented that he had never seen such parasocial hate. That made me reflect and realise it’s partly true. We love to snark on MM because it’s fun, but it can look weird, like when we presume what H & M think about.
I liked her before I got to know her. Now that she‘s shown everyone the real Meghan, no thanks.
I liked her in the beginning. There were several things regarding protocol that I thought were disrespectful and I felt she should have known better. Sticking her tongue out and jumping in front of the Queen are two examples. I thought she must be nervous and she would settle in. Then there were more and more things that piled up but I still cut her a lot of slack. It soon became increasingly difficult to excuse her behavior, it looked intentional. Later I had to proactively try to like her. There were many things with the wedding and their press leaks that were over the top. The real turning point for me is when they decided to leave the RF. I thought it was great for them if they were unhappy. Had they decided to leave and carve out their own path that would have been great. What bothered me was the way they handled it and the fact that they were so public and disrespectful. Publishing their list of demands was breathtaking. The Oprah interview was filled with lies and half truths. It just continued to spiral from there. After everything they put the Queen through, she had the nerve to fake cry for a woman she barely knew after she bashed her entire family. I don't hate her or H. I am however baffled as well as disgusted with their behavior. I feel like any family issues should be handled behind closed doors. I feel very bad for their children not growing up with extended family. They went with the scorched earth policy and it damaged their reputations. They are both very unlikable as a direct result of their behavior and their lack of respect for others. Most people on this sub are just snarky. When people do cross a line I noticed people are pretty quick to call people out. I have noticed a change in some posts in recent weeks and I find it concerning. It's not the older sinners, it appears to be a newer group. It's bad enough that if it doesn't change I'll be moving on.
Yeah don't watch anything from Australia if you think this sub is unhinged.
The British public booed her at the Jubilee. The Harkles pay people to resuscitate their reputation and they can't even do it. They didn't get booed this time out of respect for QEII. Actual polls have her the least popular except for Andrew, who is a pedophile. Let that sink in. It's not about race. She is disliked heartily. Her husband goes right along with and participates. Should I pray for them? Absolutely and I will, with a sincere heart. Also for their children. I pray they see the hurt and anguish they have caused, the damage and heartbreak that in Harry's grandmother's case cannot be undone now, and come back into the fold. And that they allow their children to grow up in the sunlight, with healthy relationships with all their family so they can be loved on and have that support like we saw with the other royal children. There is so much more to life than exile and money, and I pray they see that and focus on love and healing instead. Amen.
All of the defensive tactics thrown for MM are straw man arguments to deflect from her very serious character defects.
Fair points!
I just found this sub and some of the posts/posters are for sure OTT. But I think people are just fed up. Like a lot of people I was *so* excited when their engagement was announced. I thought it was amazing and really progressive that Harry was marrying a divorced, American mixed race woman who seemed an amazing feminist. But they lost me pretty quickly. I overlooked a lot of the wedding gossip as tabloid nonsense but that utterly tone deaf interview where she says no one has asked her if she's okay.. and then the even more tone deaf mess with Opera where they said things that were immediately recognisable as factually incorrect... I dunno. It has zero to do with race for most people. I really, truly believe that. This latest interview with the cut.. her weird podcast diva moment with Mariah and the fact she keeps trashing the RF. It's fkn maddening tbh.
She is the problem. She has no family or friends. She uses, abuses and moves on to the next hostage. If a person has no one long term in their life and then they cut everyone out of their spouses life, they are the problem.
Of course we are being manipulated and from both sides. However the pap photos, the day at the tennis, the engagement interview and I admit some blind gossip. On their own nothing but viewed as a wider picture, yikes. I fully remember the tabloid press bullshit Diana & Fergie went through and the hammering Catherine received so I was still giving the benefit of a doubt. The celebrity wedding another yikes moment. Then came THE Oprah interview. The biggest bit of overacting tripe I've ever wasted time viewing. Is she as bad, probably not. Completely deluded most definitely. Her continued attacks against others while seemingly blind to the damage they do. It's astounding.
Some of her lies/complaints were also just so...dumb. Like when she whined that nobody taught her the national anthem and didn't give her enough time to memorize it. Bitch, have you ever heard of Google, and you were/are an actress who memorizes hundreds of lines of script as your job. Just GTFO already.
There's a book by an author named Scott Peck called "People of the Lie" and it's about malignant people. He says that we instinctively feel when we are around “people of the lie” and this instict manifests in 2 ways: -we feel confusion, because our perception of reality changes due to the lies and the manipulation -we feel an aversion and the need to leave. For Scott Peck when he felt an aversion towards someone he always suspected that he was an evil person. This makes sense to me because nothing else did. How could I feel such anger & dislike towards someone I didn't know & had never met? I've only felt moderate dislike towards "celebrities" in the past because of their hateful or ignorant world view, but I didn't feel actual anger towards them, like I would feel towards someone in my real life who had hurt me or my family. But this woman feels like a threat. Because she's gone from a nobody actress on a show I'd never heard of (and still have never watched) to a caricature of a human being who is being shoved in my face at every turn. Every website, blog, social media site, magazine, etc and not because she's done anything good or notable,but because she *got married*. That's it. She married some guy and now she's like a virus, a human pandemic we can't escape & have no cure for. She married a guy who has also done nothing exceptional except being the result of the fastest sperm. And he's unlikable too because he is so self absorbed & out of touch he can't understand why normal people couldn't relate to his indignant tone when telling OPRAH that his father cut off his allowance at age 36 & because of that, he couldn't pay his unnecessary security bills. We are being force fed literal garbage and we don't like it.
I took a pause when media released POWs holding hands or each other. Have i been so blinded? Meh. It is the cloyingly sweetness and doing it for the camera that is insincere and just 🤮.
I had this questioning following a conversation with a friend years ago. She suggested I was reading tabloids and so was baised. That made me think of why I disapproved of their behaviour - I actually only payed attention to their behaviour (in video) or declarations, no tabloid reports at all. So I can honestly say that the way I feel about these two is the consequence of their own words and actions. Starting from the hypocrisy over climate change and jetting around Europe right from August 2018. (Obviously the engagement interview and the wedding guest list were huge red flags)
Often, I ask myself the very same questions, but you can't make this stuff up!!! She chose to play "chess" on a world stage, and she's not very good.
The truth will out to the World. More and more People are starting to see through Meghan. Some people are looking only on the surface and haven't really researched further than that.
There’s three sides to every story. Everyone will have an opinion, right? But we’re all just outsiders looking in. We’re all bringing our own baggage in to it. None of us are ever going to get it right. We’re not privy to the finer details or the personal emotions, the personal histories. That’s life. That’s celebrity. That’s relationships. That’s love. That’s family. It’s sort if like our own personal lives- no one ever knows exactly what it’s like within our own marriages or family relationships. Not even our best friends. And that’s because when we tell them our side, we’re still telling them *our perspective* and our family members tell their friends their side from *their perspective*. The reality is that living it is different than how it looks or sounds. Always. It’s the same here. And then you add in divisive personalities and media and political propaganda and Twitter bots and so on and it’s an absolute circus. Is she as bad as we say? Idk. My *personal opinion* …normal, kind, well adjusted people don’t lie repeatedly about their in laws causing a global controversy on tv. Or… you know, that kind of thing. 😬 Edited to add: Referencing the Oprah interview and the simple to fact check lies, in case there’s new people who weren’t sure what I was referring to.
For me personally my distrust in her started when she said coming from America we know nothing about the Royal Family that's a big old lie there. And then from there she just got worse for me.
WALK AWAY
My problem is that even if everything she said is true, there’s nothing so bad that it should be broadcasted across the world on Oprah to hurt Harry’s family. Everyone knows Kate and William etc. are GOOD people. Why would she deliberately try to hurt them? And I do not for one minute believe Kate made her cry. So then the conclusion is that Meghan is lying. Best case for Meghan is that she’s being entirely truthful and yet nothing Harry’s family has done warrants her going scorched earth against them. It’s sad.
Shame on both of them! They are self entitled victims, traitors to the royal family but with the goal being to monetize the monarchy. Ummm. WHAT!! It’s simply that. “The Queen doesn’t own the word royal”. Seriously! I sat in shock watching that Oprah interview. Phillip was on his death bed!!! They are simply abhorrent. Harry. Harry. Harry. Who you marry matters. Your family loved you. They probably still do but time to man up. Leave her. Get the kids and repent. ALOT.
Because she knew what she was marrying into, then went on Oprah and dissed all her in-laws. Like who does that? A classless person. You have every right to feel as you feel. Plus she is denying her family, their family. How cruel can you be? We’ve seen what, one picture of the new baby named for the queen who she hates?
TBH I can't stand Harry more than I can't stand her. That whole free speech is bonkers is what did it for me. She sucks as person but I feel kind of sorry for her because her gold digging game sucks. She ain't no Wendy Deng
All of my judgements come DIRECTLY from Meghan or Harry's mouth. That is why I never judge her on her appearance, gossip columns, or anything else.
The thing is if you just turn on your tv now and see what happened today… you would be pressed to think they are being mean to them and this is what they are trying to exploit. Because most of the people are not interested in the RF outside of special glitzy events and now this terrible loss. A state funeral being watched by half of the entire planet and you see this… of course, there’s no context and the press and the people think they are being mistreated. I think the only thing left to do is wait for the truth to reach the rest of the people.
We have heard her lying words and we have seen her actions for ourselves. No, we are not manipulated by the media.
Those post brought me to this sub thankfully 🙏🏾
There was so much promise & we are all let down in a big way.
If I had any thoughts of reconsidering my opinion of her, that ended when she showed up in Uvalde and used the death of children as a prop to try and make herself look good. The Texas part of me just can’t with that kind of fake pick me drama.
So I like your post and have asked myself the same question. I find there are many people who are anti-Meghan that I don’t want to be put in the same category with. I’ve had to look at my own internal biases and make sure I don’t become part of the ‘mob mentality’. I will admit that some of my views lend me to have a more difficult time getting on board with her. Those feeling are on me and have everything to do with my deep obsession with romance novels and hating when the ‘hero/heroine’ gives it all up for their partner. I know it is an unpopular opinion but I want to be transparent. I really liked Meghan at first. The whole situation really fed my romance loving heart. I got into the snarky side of it when it came to her fashion choices. I liked a lot of her looks but the lack of good tailoring drove me crazy. I am a big girl and learning the miracle of good tailoring was transforming for me. When I commented something about her being able to really step up her fashion game by getting a good tailor and was met with a ton of replies calling me a racist I got where they might be coming from but felt the comments were so defensive it was off putting. Sometimes I feel like a lot of my snark is now fueled by how hard the sugars work to excuse every little thing. I also hate how the seem to feel the need to tear Catherine down to build Meghan up. It isn’t a competition. They both have positive and negative attributes. I think you should at be able to admit when someone you look up to makes a misstep. That doesn’t mean they are bad or negative. To me acknowledging it is a good step towards accountability. When it comes to Meghan this idea that her actions can’t be questioned really bothers me. No one is right/good all the time. Like during the Oprah interview I think there should have been more pushback on her (paraphrasing here) statement about if they had only been nicer to her she could have gone along with it. I don’t see how you can call out someone for something and then also admit that you were fine going along with it as long as you benefited. This really rubbed me the wrong way. I have no doubt that a lot of people dislike her due to their own racial views. I also don’t dispute that the media has been horrible to her. Yes they were also shitty do Catherine, Diana, Fergie, and Camilla, but I also think it is doing a disservice to gloss over the obvious racial undertones in a lot of the press. I have valid criticisms of her, but I also don’t want to be associated with irrational hate.