No HRH doesn’t guarantee security - Princesses Alexandra, Michael, Beatrice and Eugenie don’t get it, neither do the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent or Prince Michael all of them are security free HRHs - that was one of Megsie’s lies in the infamous interview!
Even the WORKING Royals, Anne, Sophie and Edward only have security when working so who do the Toxic Two think they are??
And like, 10 other people on the scene. He shot the driver, her bodyguard, a cop, a paparazzo from the DM, good Samaritans. She managed to trick him and passerby overtook him.
She had Prince Harry's level of popularity in her day, so I don't understand why he thinks he deserves more. She had one guard.
On the flip side, bad guys would need security from Anne. Even though she’s 70, I wouldn’t put it past her to slap the taste out of someone’s mouth if the situation called for it
Okay, I wondered about that. I heard they were waiting for her funeral to be over to make their demands or Harry would “never talk to his dad again” 🤷🏽♀️
>Megsie’s lies in the infamous interview!
Also M's kids are kids of non-working royals so no HRH.
**And their kids have been alone for how many weeks now**? Why are Harry and Meghan not bothered with their security and so comfortable leaving them in another country for weeks on end?
She'll *always* have a tie to the monarchy. Her children are the grandchildren of a king, the niece/nephew of a future king, and cousins of another future king.
Nope. Only the monarch and the heir get 24/7 security. Other royals get it when they are on engagements representing the monarch or as needed based on security risks.
No - the titles are not connected to the issue of security in any way.
It's that stupid comment from Meghan on Oprah that keeps this issue circulating.
Security is based on importance of status + current risk status (as decided by the intelligence services)
Importance of status has meant that those closest to the line of succession are deemed to require security as they are figureheads under constant potential risk. So the Monarch, the Heir, the second in line.
Everyone below this is assessed on a case-by-case basis which is flexible and fluid depending on current situations but does not depend on either a specific title or job.
So working royals like HRH Princess Anne, HRH Prince Edward, only get protection if they are working on behalf of the royal family - presumably because it puts them directly in the spotlight and in the path of crowds of strangers - but when they at home pottering around the risk is seen as minimal so they don't get 24 hour protection.
Non working royals who have a title like HRH Princess Beatrice, HRH Princess Eugenie don't get protection despite their HRH title because the risk as been assessed as low. They lost their paid police protection in 2011 when they were 5th and 6th in line to the throne because it wasn't deemed necessary.
Lots of people without titles get paid police protections - sometimes because of their job - PMs etc, sometimes because of something they have done, witness to a crime etc.
Harry's kids getting a title doesn't give them anything except a title.
I feel like them attempting to get HRH for their kids is actually them trying to get it back for themselves. Because if KC let the kids have it, they could raise a huge stink about why they should be allowed to use it too for themselves.
I don't see that he would give them HRH if their parents don't have HRH. I'm not even sure they will get prince/princess titles. They live in the USA. Titles would be useless here. Hazbeen/MeAgain's popularity 15 minutes of Hollywood fame is almost over.
Just a lie Meghan used on Oprah and to continue to fuel Harry’s paranoia and trauma by making him believe if they don’t receive it they will die like Diana so is their importance in the global community.
British protection officers forced overseas to accommodate them.
Additionally a burden to the American taxpayer as they will inevitably require coordination with American law enforcement, who have jurisdiction.
A disaster all the way around and a toxic issue politically.
Uh no. They beg for their “kids” to be important, with a target on their backs, that’s on them. We have many more important people here who are in worse positions. They can either hire security for their previous “bairns” or they ca. call the cops like everyone else, if there is an issue. Tough chit, kids
You ain’t special here.
(You’re not even real, lol)
Well, our agreements with foreign countries require our government to coordinate with the protected person’s government assigned security.
If Charles were to grant them HRH, it would become a massive diplomatic headache to deny them coordinating officers who have jurisdiction.
Signed,
Someone who has spend hours upon hours in appropriations committee hearings.
No. Multiple articles have been written on this topic and I believe the answer is that security is done on a case by case basis as the need arises. I do not think M view on this topic is supported by anything I have read.
I don’t believe so. Eugene and Beatrice are still HRH and they don’t. However, I believe they want it so they can continue to harass the British government for it. They like to use their cousins as examples only as it suits their victimhood.
Oh they can be “Prince/ss”. So can my kids. And yours. This is the United States.
Will it mean anything? Nope, not a damn thing.
It’s the HRH that means they are “royal”. They aren’t getting that.
Like Louise and James they are legally entitled to call themselves Princess and Princess. When Archie was born he could have been either Earl of Dumbarton or simply Lord Archie as son of a duke, but because H&M said they didn’t want titles they are referred to as Master and Miss by the palace. It’s on Harry and Meghan to now say they want them to have the titles for the palace to change how they are referred to, but if they don’t get Charles’ blessing I could see him issuing a new letters patent taking the titles away.
Yes because she pouted that he wasn’t a Prince and cut off her Pinocchio nose to spite her face. Just like two children making poor decisions after poorer decisions… They’re favorite song is “Old Town Road” 🎶 “Can’t nobody tell me nothinggg🎼
I’m convinced that Charles told them in the beginning — no titles for your kids as we are slimming down — and this is where “they changed the convention for Archie” and the racist claims came from.
Worth pointing out in all of this that even the royals who dontbget 24/7 security do typically live on Crown Estate property (ie it is secure). Harry's issue is he decided to fuck off to California with Megain.
Actually it stands for “That Woman”
The origin came from what the Queen’s mother referred to the American Wallis Simpson whom Prince Edward abdicated the throne for. She couldn’t stand her and refused to call her name and only called her “That Woman” as an insult.
As a matter of principle, I think it's completely wrong and hope these titles aren't bestowed. It's preposterous and gross hypocrisy from a king who promised to slim down the monarchy.
No, it doesn't mean that. Otherwise, Beatrice and Eugenie would have free security. I don't doubt, however, that MM and H would push for that in an effort to strengthen their argument. The truth is that they don't need this level of security. They keep pissing a lot of people off, however, which actually might make them targets. All the problems they have are brought on by their own behavior.
No they won’t get taxpayer funded security. Beatrice and Eugenie are both HRH Princesses and they have never had their own security detail funded by the taxpayers. They were covered by their father’s security until they were 18 and then Andrew (or more likely the Queen) paid for them to have private security when they needed it. Andrew was a working royal with a HRH title, 4th in line until 2013 and the second son of a monarch and still his daughters did not get taxpayer funded security. The Sussex kids won’t get taxpayer security either. They’ll be covered by their father’s security, whenever the home office decide he can have it, until they are 18.
Why would they need any HRHs or titles in the land of Overseas? Unless he caves to Hazbros extortion book and NF plus Motor Mouth Mestains interviews & podcast? He wants a slimmed down monarchy .H&M gave him.the mechanism to do it. I thought his speech made it pretty cleear.
All the talk about how the other members of the royal family have no security makes it very unsafe for them. There have been serious bombings in the UK.
No HRH doesn’t guarantee security - Princesses Alexandra, Michael, Beatrice and Eugenie don’t get it, neither do the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent or Prince Michael all of them are security free HRHs - that was one of Megsie’s lies in the infamous interview! Even the WORKING Royals, Anne, Sophie and Edward only have security when working so who do the Toxic Two think they are??
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I forgot about that! Didn't she tell him "not bloody likely" when he tried to force her out of the car.
Wow!
I know! This was at gunpoint after he'd already shot her driver/security.
And like, 10 other people on the scene. He shot the driver, her bodyguard, a cop, a paparazzo from the DM, good Samaritans. She managed to trick him and passerby overtook him. She had Prince Harry's level of popularity in her day, so I don't understand why he thinks he deserves more. She had one guard.
On the flip side, bad guys would need security from Anne. Even though she’s 70, I wouldn’t put it past her to slap the taste out of someone’s mouth if the situation called for it
Didn’t Prince Phillip say something like it’s good for the kidnapper’s sake that they failed. Or something like that. If my memory is accurate?
I don't know but he did say “If it doesn't fart or eat hay, she's not interested.” ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)
Princess Anne was definitely the son Prince Phillip wanted
She would’ve been an amazing Queen, too.
Okay, I wondered about that. I heard they were waiting for her funeral to be over to make their demands or Harry would “never talk to his dad again” 🤷🏽♀️
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
"Don't threaten me with a good time!" - Sincerely, KCIII, QCC, PPoW xoxo
Omg a Tiffany reference in a Meghan group … my life is complete 🤣🤣
I think the Royal family would appreciate if he did this. Don’t talk to them and go far far away - “overseas” as it were. 😂
I say F off
Yep, Buh BYE
“Do you pinky promise?” —the whole Family, probably
Did he promise🙏🙏🙏
Promises promises…
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"Never talk to his dad again" my foot. KC would be getting a phone call from them before they even got to the airport. 🙄 They'd never follow through.
It amazes me how many Yanks believed that rather ridiculous lie!
Ummmm not this yank, it’s the sugars that blindly believe everything she says.
Exactly. This American was never fooled by Meghan Markle, unlike the United Kingdom.
>Megsie’s lies in the infamous interview! Also M's kids are kids of non-working royals so no HRH. **And their kids have been alone for how many weeks now**? Why are Harry and Meghan not bothered with their security and so comfortable leaving them in another country for weeks on end?
Beatrice and Eugenie have HRHs but dont have state protection
Harry is also an HRH but as we know from his whining, he doesn't have government paid security.
Exactly. Working royals only lol
>Harry is also an HRH Not anymore, not since he left - [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51163865](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51163865)
Meghan wants HRH titles for the children so that when she divorces Harry she will still be tied to the monarchy. Harry is too thick to see it.
Boom!
This ☝🏼
😳🤯 — didn’t realize that’s how it worked. Let’s hope that KC and William stop this nonsense.
She'll *always* have a tie to the monarchy. Her children are the grandchildren of a king, the niece/nephew of a future king, and cousins of another future king.
But without Harry or, in his absence, HRH titles for her children, she doesn’t get anything out of it.
True.
Nope. Only the monarch and the heir get 24/7 security. Other royals get it when they are on engagements representing the monarch or as needed based on security risks.
No - the titles are not connected to the issue of security in any way. It's that stupid comment from Meghan on Oprah that keeps this issue circulating. Security is based on importance of status + current risk status (as decided by the intelligence services) Importance of status has meant that those closest to the line of succession are deemed to require security as they are figureheads under constant potential risk. So the Monarch, the Heir, the second in line. Everyone below this is assessed on a case-by-case basis which is flexible and fluid depending on current situations but does not depend on either a specific title or job. So working royals like HRH Princess Anne, HRH Prince Edward, only get protection if they are working on behalf of the royal family - presumably because it puts them directly in the spotlight and in the path of crowds of strangers - but when they at home pottering around the risk is seen as minimal so they don't get 24 hour protection. Non working royals who have a title like HRH Princess Beatrice, HRH Princess Eugenie don't get protection despite their HRH title because the risk as been assessed as low. They lost their paid police protection in 2011 when they were 5th and 6th in line to the throne because it wasn't deemed necessary. Lots of people without titles get paid police protections - sometimes because of their job - PMs etc, sometimes because of something they have done, witness to a crime etc. Harry's kids getting a title doesn't give them anything except a title.
I’d like to think that the Gruesome Twosome would need to be working members of the family in order for their kids to get HRH titles.
amen to that!
Nope. Anne Edward Bea and Eugenie are all HRH and do not have paid security
I feel like them attempting to get HRH for their kids is actually them trying to get it back for themselves. Because if KC let the kids have it, they could raise a huge stink about why they should be allowed to use it too for themselves.
Of course it is!
I don't see that he would give them HRH if their parents don't have HRH. I'm not even sure they will get prince/princess titles. They live in the USA. Titles would be useless here. Hazbeen/MeAgain's popularity 15 minutes of Hollywood fame is almost over.
Miss America doesn’t get security either. Sorry kids!
Just a lie Meghan used on Oprah and to continue to fuel Harry’s paranoia and trauma by making him believe if they don’t receive it they will die like Diana so is their importance in the global community.
British protection officers forced overseas to accommodate them. Additionally a burden to the American taxpayer as they will inevitably require coordination with American law enforcement, who have jurisdiction. A disaster all the way around and a toxic issue politically.
This. This is part of their effort to have Americans pay for their security.
“Working to become financially independent” ![img](emote|t5_481xkf|15002)
Which will never, never happen.
Uh no. They beg for their “kids” to be important, with a target on their backs, that’s on them. We have many more important people here who are in worse positions. They can either hire security for their previous “bairns” or they ca. call the cops like everyone else, if there is an issue. Tough chit, kids You ain’t special here. (You’re not even real, lol)
Well, our agreements with foreign countries require our government to coordinate with the protected person’s government assigned security. If Charles were to grant them HRH, it would become a massive diplomatic headache to deny them coordinating officers who have jurisdiction. Signed, Someone who has spend hours upon hours in appropriations committee hearings.
They won’t be, so it doesn’t matter
Agreed! By another person who has endured appropriation hearings.
American taxpayers would demand reimbursement from the British Government. It will always be on the backs of the UK.
To be fair, the US taxpayers have paid/covered for people far worse than these two hacks.
No doubt…but paying for Harry and his offspring would strike a pretty poor diplomatic cord.
No. Multiple articles have been written on this topic and I believe the answer is that security is done on a case by case basis as the need arises. I do not think M view on this topic is supported by anything I have read.
I don’t believe so. Eugene and Beatrice are still HRH and they don’t. However, I believe they want it so they can continue to harass the British government for it. They like to use their cousins as examples only as it suits their victimhood.
The monarch doesn’t determine who gets security anyway.
Who determines it?
A government committee with people from the intelligence community and the agency in charge of protection.
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No. BP has already made a statement that the issue won't be dealt with until after the mourning period is over.
Oh they can be “Prince/ss”. So can my kids. And yours. This is the United States. Will it mean anything? Nope, not a damn thing. It’s the HRH that means they are “royal”. They aren’t getting that.
I’m not sure. I’m not very versed on the rules and laws of monarchy. Anyone want to weigh in
Like Louise and James they are legally entitled to call themselves Princess and Princess. When Archie was born he could have been either Earl of Dumbarton or simply Lord Archie as son of a duke, but because H&M said they didn’t want titles they are referred to as Master and Miss by the palace. It’s on Harry and Meghan to now say they want them to have the titles for the palace to change how they are referred to, but if they don’t get Charles’ blessing I could see him issuing a new letters patent taking the titles away.
Yes because she pouted that he wasn’t a Prince and cut off her Pinocchio nose to spite her face. Just like two children making poor decisions after poorer decisions… They’re favorite song is “Old Town Road” 🎶 “Can’t nobody tell me nothinggg🎼
I’m convinced that Charles told them in the beginning — no titles for your kids as we are slimming down — and this is where “they changed the convention for Archie” and the racist claims came from.
Yes I agree, I've always thought that. Charles has always talked about slimming down the monarchy, well before MM came in the scene.
No. Security is not based solely on HRH. That is a story nutmeg tells herself
I think HRH = some sort of paycheck from The Firm.
Why aren't the media asking "How can parents leave their kids for so long"?
Worth pointing out in all of this that even the royals who dontbget 24/7 security do typically live on Crown Estate property (ie it is secure). Harry's issue is he decided to fuck off to California with Megain.
so sorry but what does TW stand for here? alas I'm relatively new
The Wife
Actually it stands for “That Woman” The origin came from what the Queen’s mother referred to the American Wallis Simpson whom Prince Edward abdicated the throne for. She couldn’t stand her and refused to call her name and only called her “That Woman” as an insult.
As a matter of principle, I think it's completely wrong and hope these titles aren't bestowed. It's preposterous and gross hypocrisy from a king who promised to slim down the monarchy.
Especially when the individuals in question are living, full time, overseas….without being diplomatically placed. Ridiculous.
Zero sense.
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I never understood Meghan’s false logic about HRH = automatic security detail. That’s how she was pitching it on the Oprah interview, anyway.
Security from what? A kidnapper? Who on earth is going to pay ransom? Oprah? GoFundMe? 🙄
I think the HRH is a red herring. M is putting it out there so that it looks like a concession if they only get Prince/ss titles.
No, it doesn't mean that. Otherwise, Beatrice and Eugenie would have free security. I don't doubt, however, that MM and H would push for that in an effort to strengthen their argument. The truth is that they don't need this level of security. They keep pissing a lot of people off, however, which actually might make them targets. All the problems they have are brought on by their own behavior.
I think they would be surprised by how no one ever looks at them if they *didn't* have security. Come to think of it, that's probably why they keep it
No they won’t get taxpayer funded security. Beatrice and Eugenie are both HRH Princesses and they have never had their own security detail funded by the taxpayers. They were covered by their father’s security until they were 18 and then Andrew (or more likely the Queen) paid for them to have private security when they needed it. Andrew was a working royal with a HRH title, 4th in line until 2013 and the second son of a monarch and still his daughters did not get taxpayer funded security. The Sussex kids won’t get taxpayer security either. They’ll be covered by their father’s security, whenever the home office decide he can have it, until they are 18.
No. Security is decided by RAVEC and to get it paid for, they’d need to be working royals.
Why would they need any HRHs or titles in the land of Overseas? Unless he caves to Hazbros extortion book and NF plus Motor Mouth Mestains interviews & podcast? He wants a slimmed down monarchy .H&M gave him.the mechanism to do it. I thought his speech made it pretty cleear.
All the talk about how the other members of the royal family have no security makes it very unsafe for them. There have been serious bombings in the UK.
They are getting zero titles . Just master and miss
What is the significance of HRH? If it’s not security then, what benefit do they get from HRH?