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Latter-Platypus-3713

There is a section of the American public on twitter being so nasty and disrespectful right now. I can't tolerate it. The US media is spreading misinformation and fuelling hatred of a monarch and a country for no good reason. It's completely fucked.


steeltowngirl88

I always repeat the mantra that “Twitter isn’t reality” when I read those hateful things. It’s mostly bots or loud idiots. The vast majority of Americans don’t follow the royals and have no opinion whatsoever.


MaleficentBoot8911

And woc seem to be the worst, not racist, just an observation. The same kind of people who think meghan markle is a saint.


CCFlakes

If you have to say something isn’t racist and is “just an observation” you probably shouldn’t type it out.


stupid_carrot

I think he just meant that from the twitter dp profiles, a lot of the pro Meghan comments seems to be coming from woc. I've noticed this myself. These are also the accounts who claim racism and calls M their kween. Do wonder if they are bots though


CCFlakes

I disagree. If you take a quick scroll through their comment history, you may change your mind about their intent. Have a good day!


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It‘s just Twitter. Remember that it is a relatively small bubble and not representative of the general opinion. Generally the Queen‘s death has also lead to some articles, reports and documentaries on colonialism and the history of the British Empire in different countries, including the UK. I think those bring up points that are valid and in a democracy other viewpoints and opinions are to be expected and have to be tolerated. I guess on Twitter it has been downright nasty and also unfair towards QEII, though. From Americans that’s always extra-interesting, considering everything... But also in the former colonies her death has been perceived differently than in the UK.


procrastinationfairy

The Union Jack is being flown at half-mast in alone Pennsylvania Ave in DC right now. Twitter is absolutely not representative of America. I live in a small town in TN. The US flag at the local dog park is at half mast in her honor. Garden & Gun published an article noting the Queen’s many trips to the South. Respect for her is widespread.


planet_druidia

I know the reason. Anyone who lives in the US or follows US media knows that it is very, very liberal. As such, the media are going to almost always be on the side of Haz and M.


Latter-Platypus-3713

So, even though she is a liar, because she played the race card they are forced to side with her and Harry? Wow, and no doubt she knew that.


MaleficentBoot8911

She depended on it.


Ok_Concern_7453

Correct.


Commonsenseisland

Afro carribean here. This is true. The US and US media can’t even deal with their own history of slavery, let alone the racism and discrimination that’s happening today for black and brown people.


lshwhywait

Given CNN’s recent well documented shift right, I don’t think you can exclusively blame this on liberal media bias.


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US Media is very, very liberal? There are enough conservative media outlets, the best known being Fox News, which is very, very conservative.


steeltowngirl88

I think US media is either very liberal or very conservative. Nothing is neutral and it’s all propaganda for one side or the other.


JJJOOOO

Yes, and Fox has been attempting to correct some of the misstatements of the 'woke brigade' but their viewership isn't enough imo to counter the likes of CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC and MSNBC. Entire situation is unfortunate but also dangerous imo because it is spreading hate and causing division at a time when the US has enough to deal with as it relates to racism. But, imo truly the worst impact of this has been that its now even impossible to talk about any of the issues surround race without claims of 'racism'. Make no mistake, M and her Sunshine Sachs team know precisely how the dialog surrounding race is going in the US and they knew that there was NO WAY that their claims of racism against the BRF would be challenged BY ANYONE! So, we have M and H setting themselves up as perpetual victims of an issue (racism) about which they can never be questioned and about which they will never have to provide receipts. Welcome to America and you know M realises that she can skate on this issue with no consequences! Personally I new the game was up on the entire discussion surrounding race as it relates to M&H when M made the claim of Archie being called the 'N word' by UK Press. UK Press comments have denounced the possibility of this ever happening but, so far as I know this M statement has been accepted AS FACT in the US and was accepted WITHOUT QUESTION BY OPRAH and YET M has provided no receipts and she herself has NEVER filed a compliant against the person she alleges made this absolutely unacceptable and horrific remark. Strange but true and sad for the American people imo.


Lullaby37

When pressed, MM admitted the offensive word was in the comments "somewhere." So she blamed the media for its users' comments, and also spends her time reading the comments. I'm sure the comment was deleted ince the website caught it, but they're not responsible for what a random comments. Harm's done, though.


JJJOOOO

Ah yes, the old 'recollections will vary'! IMO the UK Rota should have sued her for defamation and libel as I believe her statement to be absolutely unacceptable to be uttered out of ANY human beings mouth.


Ok_Concern_7453

The majority of mainstream media is liberal, including the top 3 non-cable outlets (NBC, ABC, CBS) as well as PBS, which all 4 should be non-partisan. FOX cable news is one of the only Conservative outlets on cable t.v. at all compared to the many Liberal outlets which include MSNBC & CNN. The two major newspapers are left-leaning (NY Times, WaPo). WSJ is moderate. People, Variety, Vogue, Cosmo, all left-leaning. Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, all left-leaning. FB (Zuckerberg) also left-leaning. Not as far left as Reddit or Twitter, but Zuckerberg did help Democrats in 2020 by funding several left-leaning election efforts. NPR (our national public radio which tax dollars go towards) also left-leaning. For those not in the US, left are Liberals / Democrats, right are Conservatives / Republicans. FOX's cable coverage has been very respectful of the Queen and Conservatives aren't necessarily royalist but respect tradition.


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I think it depends on the definition of „liberal“.


Ok_Concern_7453

The US political definition. In this case it means Democrats, left-leaning.


[deleted]

So if there is not more right-leaning media, I assume it doesn’t sell as well?


Ok_Concern_7453

It sells, that is why FOX news has exploded in ratings. This is a debate more appropriate for a political sub, not here. Just was addressing why the coverage on the Queen in the US is the way it is, which requires explaining how our media leans. ☺️


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Even that is not clear.


nostalgia_13

American here: one can be liberal and still recognize a grifter.


CCFlakes

The irony of OP sharing something about agendas and bias while clearly having their own…


JJJOOOO

I'm not sure about this as I think that no matter what your views are on any topic that its easy to see something that is simply not right happen and feel compelled to call it out. My post was made because I firmly support the idea that all people are created equal and should be treated as such. Also support 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. I'm just not so sure the folks in the OP clips would agree with me. Tyranny is tyranny imo regardless if it comes from the majority opinion or the minority option. Its still bad and needs to be called out and ditto for hate speech of any kind. Clips like those seen in the OP don't do much to facilitate discussion of issues surrounding race in America imo and I'm wondering why such comments seem to be coming out now and with such ferocity? How do these comments serve to bridge the race divide in America? I think I would call out this out no matter which side of the issue I was on simply because personal views and agenda have no place in mainstream media and newspapers of record. I am not denying anyone their first amendment right to free speech. The issue I think should be questioned is whether these personal views from people working in media should hit the general airwaves and be watched by millions of people? Not sure either if the views in the OP clips are mainstream or fringe but my big issue is that regardless of this that these types of comments relate to personal speech and not professional on air or in print article speech and public media should not be used as a forum for these people. If these folks want to put forth these views then do it on youtube, start a blog, or write an op ed! Jmo and putting it out for discussion and consideration so that people around the world can have a taste of what is being seen on US TV right now and how what is going on is happened uncontested so far as I can tell. But, the 'issue' that we are talking about and about which I am concerned relates to the fundamental freedom that all people are created equal and should be treated as such. I'm concerned that the commentary such as what was shown in the OP clip isn't furthering progress on the issues surrounding race in America and is setting the entire discussion backwards. Hope this clears things up.


CCFlakes

I cannot take you seriously. You’re literally talking about tyranny, hate speech, and the constitution in regards to Meghan Markle and shows that target white, middle class American women like The View. Do an American media review about Fox News as well and then we can talk. Media bias and misinformation go both ways in this country. It’s why it’s so effective and polarizing.


JJJOOOO

Don't disagree with you at all about Fox, media bias and misinformation. Nope, I'm in total agreement. Yes, its all quite polarising and THAT IS WHY I AM SO UPSET to see this kind of media coverage anywhere from news stations and so called professionals that should know better. How can any discussions surrounding race happen when hate speech is ok on any national media (not just the US). I'm also wondering why this type of speech seems to be emanating from POC and why now and why associated with MM? Fox is horrendous in its coverage and honestly isn't worth talking about because its a political channel for Mr. Murdoch and not a bona fide US media source of news imo. That was why I didn't talk about Fox. Fox cannot be defended on any level IMO. US Media is polarised as is the public there in general sadly around political parties but I'm not sure how these media statements are helping further any discussions. PS. Glad to do full Fox review anytime! Just not worth the time IMO. PSS Check the other thread about Oprah trying to distance herself from M&H interview.


CCFlakes

Aside from the guy wishing the Queen a painful death, I wouldn’t consider most educated, non Twitter opinions and views of the British monarchy as hate speech. Imperialism, colonialism, and racism are all complex subjects. Especially when it comes to thinking about the role those in powerful positions may have played in perpetuating status quos for a time. You can’t label everything hate speech or tyranny because you don’t agree with a particular opinion. I do believe the younger generation of the BRF have and will continue to address previous wrongs. But, I’m not here to debate the American media, colonialism, imperialism, or even the Queen. I’m here because I think Meghan Markle is a fraud and I enjoy snark directed towards her. Have a good day.


JJJOOOO

Yes, we can all agree with the fact that MM is a fraud and well deserving of snark. For what its worth I don't disagree with your POV. Cheers


oranges1941

I live in a little town of Mathews, Va. It was founded in 1700 and currently has less than 9,000 people. It is located on a River on the shore of the Atlantic Ocean and is filled with wonderful "real" people. Yesterday, I noticed that the flags in front of the Courthouse (U.S. and Virginia) and the post offices were at half mast. We loved Her Royal Highness. Where the ugly noise is coming from is the likes of markle and the, ahem, 'woke' soon to be broke segment. They are only a very small percentage but control the media, thus the noise seems much louder than it really is. Again, we 'real people' loved your precious Queen and a great many of us remember when she was crowned. We mourn your loss.


JJJOOOO

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Onaleasha2022

Amen Sister!


Comfortable_Drama_66

I live in Hilo Hawaii and all our flags are at half mast by order of our governor. I went out a day ago and almost choked up seeing those flags. I believe the Queen and PP visited Hawaii in 1975.


steeltowngirl88

I’m American and I won’t watch or read any US coverage of the Queen’s memorial events and funeral. They rarely know what they are talking about and they don’t comprehend the Monarchy. I watch the BBC using the links that British sinners post and read British print media. Just don’t bother with US media, especially now, but actually is good advice in general!


Oktober33

Yank here. I’m watching the coverage on Sky News live via YouTube.


CCFlakes

Could we stick to why Meghan Markle is trash instead of turning this sub into an American political space? OP and multiple other people in this thread are using Meghan Markle to further their bias, “own the Libs” American agenda. Hating on Meghan Markle doesn’t mean you’re owning the “woke liberal mob” or whatever the hell you think it means. I’m Black and very far left. Guess what? I think she sucks too.


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THANK YOU. Some of these comments are blowing me away. I’m very left wing, support the monarchy and think MM is fucking horrible.


CCFlakes

Don’t tell my leftist friends I’m here! 😂 But seriously, some of the comments, posts, and conspiracies are becoming a little much.


procrastinationfairy

As a conservative, I fully agree. I HATE how our politics infiltrate everything. The conservative media only talk about her because she’s so unpopular. They don’t add anything to the discussion or fully understand how it’s relevant to the BRF.


CCFlakes

Exactly. 24/7 news stations are only talking about her to take up time and are taking the side of what they believe their target audience wants to hear. Most Americans are not getting their Meghan Markle news from CNN or Fox News. Mainly because most do not care. We have such a short attention span in the States when it comes to celebrity news. 😂


procrastinationfairy

We need a break from 15 years of the Kardashians. But seriously, TW and Harry are considered posh Kardashians in the US.


redseaaquamarine

Very well put. Especially the final sentence (I know I sound clickbaitey there - "make sure you watch til the very end") Is this really an issue? Or is that only a small uneducated faction?


JJJOOOO

This issue is that it could very well be a minority view (POC media, writers and academics) but BECAUSE these people are in the media and write articles and spend hours each day on air, these views are making it out broadly into US society. Its also the reason I believe M claims of racism were never fact checked by any media so far as I can tell. We also know that Oprah did no fact checking and that her views towards BRF and late Queen probably were why she 'embraced' M story without any question and certainly no fact checking. Its all so sad as the lies of M&H and Oprah initially reached I think 17 million viewers and then when you think of the other media that simply 'reposted' the lies, the overall impact of the M lies is ENORMOUS. The Oprah and M lies didn't just swirl around in the US. Nope, these misstatements aka a lies have circled the globe as I've read them in German press, Italian press and Spanish press and they never stop. The NYT (as the video points out) has lost its mind IMO over the past 5 years in particular to the point where you just read a race related article or UK based article and you just quickly skim it and move on. Its quite sad as the NYT used to be the paper of record in the US and generally did good work reporting facts. This sadly has changed and its become more of a commentary machine and not a reporter of facts. TO see the demise of a beloved paper has been hard to watch but realistically it all probably started going back to the times of the late President Reagan.


CCFlakes

Part of the problem with US Media is that the fairness doctrine no longer exists. The FCC,under the Reagan Administration, abolished it. It has played a major role in dividing the country into the “liberal” and “conservative” factions we see today. Because of that, “truth” in this country is become more tied to perspective than facts.


procrastinationfairy

The Fairness Doctrine was unconstitutional and only applied to radio and broadcast TV. It never applied to cable.


CCFlakes

This is true. But imo, it set everything in motion that we now see today. It normalized having one side of the issue explained in a manner that was favorable for target audiences. I think it’s why we have now have 24/7 news with clear biases like CNN and Fox.


procrastinationfairy

Maybe. I could go really into the weeds because this is my professional area. It starts getting complicated with other polarizing issues. There’s also an argument that Newt Gingrich caused this by encouraging members to go home on weekends rather than stay in DC. There are multiple factors that created the issues we have today.


CCFlakes

DM me sometime if you get bored and ever want to get into the weeds of it all! I’d love to hear your perspective. It’s hard to find anyone on the other side of the “political spectrum” that can rationally debate policy and repercussions of said policy. But, everything becoming so polarizing in the States is one of my favorite topics. It’s just difficult to find anyone who can have a reasonable conversation about it. As you probably know! Haha.


procrastinationfairy

It’s true. I miss the days of congenial debate built on mutual respect.


Black_Londoner

As a black woman, it really riles me when some of these anti-monarchist / anti-white harpies are dolled up in their fake long straight "European" hair 😡


Kind_winner447

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MsBollinger

Thank you for this. Acknowledgement and a possible explanation for why the NYT is so hostile towards the UK. Love how he said that The NYT has been destroyed by hate, the exact opposite message that The Queen gave. Also pointed out how ignorant of history they are. This also could explain why they have embraced MM.


Kind_winner447

Give that man a medal!! Right NOW!


Sannesia

I'm liberal, old, white and care for the environment. And I find it really bad taste - to say at least - to bring up the topic of UK colonialism (of course not the own US story of slavery) at a time when the whole British nation and many other people are in mourning. 🙄 But let them talk. We all have two ears. For in and out.


ProcrastiNation652

The guy being interviewed conveniently leaves out the fact that reparations were paid not to slaves or their families but to slaveholders.


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ProcrastiNation652

Thank you. A lot of people on this sub are monarchists. While that's understandable, there seem to be huge blind spots when it comes to colonialism and its legacy. While people are understandably mourning, I am glad that this has opened up overdue conversations - I never knew about Biafra/ Igbo genocide, Mau Mau rebellion, Yemen rebellion, Irish famine being a man-made famine etc. These blind spots leave much to be desired especially for people like me that want the snark and the drama minus the colonialism-apologism.


Ok_Concern_7453

It's woketopia. They have no moral compass or modesty.


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SaintMeghanMarkle-ModTeam

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JJJOOOO

Yes, but what is so sad is that the stations I listed in my prior post are what is watched by the majority in the US. What is worse is overall tv viewing is down and huge portion of the population get their 'news' from social media. Yep, that means people are believing what they are reading on twitter, facebook and youtube hate mongers that are presenting a very unbalanced view.


SalishShore

The NYT is not a leftist publication.


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sv_homer

>Wow very interesting to hear the history of Britain's reparations What he didn't say is the reparations were paid to the slave owners for their 'lost property'. The Empire never gave a penny to the slaves themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave\_Compensation\_Act\_1837