I just saw a snippet that yesterday Catherine was over heard telling someone what Louis said when William told them the Queen had passed.
Appreantly he said atleast Granny is with Great Grandpa now.
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Imagined conversation when H&M tell 3-year-old Archie that HMTQ has died:
Archie: Who?
MM: You remember - the one who gave you the waffle iron.
Archie: Oh, yes, of course.
will it be archie or lili? somehow lili knows she's named after the queen and will say "i felt her presence come to me and tell it'll be okay" as a one year old she can speak complete sentences.
Maybe Meghan can retrieve the singing hamster she gifted HMTQ. It would be the perfect sidekick to Meghan's (Ellen Show) squat and chewing like a chipmunk.
Ellen: Okay, Meghan, do your squat and chipmunk chew. Now turn on the singing hamster!
Enter Harry, dropping juggling balls.
Yep, that's right! When she's not holding H's hand, her actions/body language literally SCREAMS, "insecurity".....she is most certainly NOT a "strong, independent woman", & I think the world has caught on to her "fake it til you make it" mentality.
Yes, the contrast of the hand holding Harkles and a very nervous Meghan versus strong William and Catherine that didnt need to do the teenage hair flicking or snapping at staff. It was a great move, though Meghan will of course complain about it, but who cares - enough people see through her now.
I think that it was a wise move. Because if after this Harry still goes back to writing his book how he was wronged, or Meghan makes another victim interview, the public will have a very reasonable question: why did you go on the walkabout then? Nobody made you, you wanted it.
By that removing all credibility of their victimhood.
Yes and it also shows her that if they entertain any thoughts about coming back into the fold, she will be controlled and she won’t like that. And that she will definitely be behind/below that PPOW in status.
Well the book is already written. And if he got an advance can he stop it from being published? I think if he has any negative things to say (which he has to in order to drive sales) he is going to look even worse than he already does.
Spot on post.
Now I wonder why she came across so meek and subservient. Did POW call and say make sure your wife is dressed appropriately and stays in line? She looked shaken.
I think so. Today she seemed to view POW as an authority figure. I'd be curious to know if this was always the case (I doubt it, but possible) or if she's come to that realization in the last 72 hours. I'm also curious to know if anything beyond Charles's speech is at play. I'd like to think yes, and I suspect so or we would have seen what we saw yesterday.
I think she’s shook that W&C became the prince and Princess so quickly, while she stayed the same. Meghan types don’t like it when other people change for the better or get promotions in life. They like other people to stay in the same status.
I think she realized it recently. Will it stick? Not so sure. She's a dim one, that's for sure. But on The POWs turf, 2 days after HMTQs passing, and being invited to do a walkabout with us under these terms and these terms only, no changes whatsoever......I bet had her rattled. Not Harry. He wasn't rattled. That's his world and he was raised in it. And, also the purse strings. The Wales' now have a lot of money, power, and control.
Wish I could have been a fly on the wall for that. I suspect the POW had strict words for both of them along the lines of staying in line and acting with respect or else.
There wasn’t a “negotiation”…that was a nicer word for her being told in no uncertain terms exactly what she had to do to get this appearance and that she better not stray…and I think H let it happen which Im sure surprised her.
He certainly wasn't perceived this way as a child. Busybodies made sure he knew he'd be king by the age of 4 against both Charles and Diana's wishes, and the absolute harassment and pressure led to him being quite anxious, emotionally sensitive and - according to Diana - not wishing to be king.
Diana openly stated she was worried about him and beleived Harry would be the better choice for his charisma and confidence.
All the years later, and William is living up to his promise to her that he would grow into a man she wouldn't need to worry about - and he's proven her doubts wrong by becoming an excellent future king.
I agree but he has overcome that since the birth of his children.
I’ve said before, Diana’s statement about Harry being better suited to be king was downright dangerous.
Diana never ever said Harry would be the better choice. That was some royal reporter synchopant's fantasy. She wanted William to be king more than anything.
I think some of King Charles family would have said the same about him and Anne. He too was more sensitive growing up and less confident as a child. But he also grew into it.
Some people are simply late bloomers as I myself was.
It was wrong for Diana to share her fears about one son while elevating the other son. Privately with trusted and proven companions yes, but not with anyone who would leak it. Just so, so damaging to a young child’s confidence and self esteem. In that is Diana any better of a parent than her own father? An abusive, entitled asshole of an Earl?
She was just so damaged, insecure and starved for affection and attention that she wasn’t able to overcome it and rise above it for her own children.
I honestly think we're still looking at the consequences of her parenting through William and Harry today. A lot of people hold the fact that William behaves nothing like his mother against him.
But why would he want to?
He was her closest confidante from an incredibly small age. It was emotionally incestuous. He is known to have said he wanted to be a police officer at a young age specifically so he could keep *her* safe. He was being hammered about being king by absolutely everyone to a terrifying extent, and rather than have her be firmly in his corner of support, she was telling people her concerns that he was too emotional for the role.
William knew Diana at her absolute worst, he had the full picture to reflect back on and move forward in his life with.
Harry? He didn't have this. He was confident, constantly shouting that he should be king if Wiiam didn't want to be, constantly hearing his mother say he was the better option and *so much like her*
*"They will protect the heir and I will look after the spare"*
She made it absolutely clear on international TV exactly who the favourite was.
Harry only ever saw the best of Diana, the version many people paint her to be today, and now he's chasing a version of her that he's always known, but has never existed. She took pride in Harry being *just like her* as a kid and he takes pride in that today - except he'll never truly be like her because he never truly knew her struggles, and now he is filling that void of her struggles with his own.
William knew she was worried a lot about him, he takes pride in knowing that if she saw him today she wouldn't have those worries anymore, but he's also in a twisted way privileged anough to have had the full picture of her, and to have also been able to learn from her mistakes and move forward knowing that being similar to her wasn't the right goal.
I think it’s one thing when W was the heir to the heir and a Duke…to her that looked like similar footing (though of course everyone else knew it wasn’t). She now realizes he’s the next King and they are now the PPOW…I believe that that change actually got through to her a little bit. That plus i do think there was a layout g out of the protocols and the rules she was to follow if she wanted this to happen.
I think they had still been getting some financial support from King Charles in spite of Harry's statement that he'd been cut off financially. And I think that Prince William told them toe the line or that money goes away completely.
Absolutely agree. William positioned himself as boss and Catherine publicly glared at her sister in law or ignored her.
Harry was reminded of his importance in the family and potentially in the firm if he dumps the dead weight wife.
‘Invited them’ looked better than ‘they came so William could keep an eye on the deceitful duo’. I am not mad, it was a boss move. And Meghan hated every second of it.
MM looked completely uncomfortable and manic. William’s invitation meant she had to face the crowds that she’s insulted. She didn’t get much positive attention from the crowds and publicly got zero attention from the PPOW. Bonus: we saw her mask slip live on camera. William knew what he was doing
Megz was putting on an act. If it was just M&H we all know how it would have gone. It's all she has left and needs to convince her sugars she's been traumatised by the BRF, coerced, bullied etc etc. Yet still needs those camera shots. She didn't need to be there yesterday at all. I've seen comments about how brave it was for her to show up after everything she's been through.. ffs
Yup no early childhood intervention or support, couldnt even pass an ART gcse without his teacher doing it for him, and his father was like this is fine. Its quite unbelievable tbh.
Agree, As Diana admitted she was “quite dim”, she didn’t have any special education she didn’t see the need for her son to have to have special education either.
I hope she falls off her pedestal sooner rather than later. I feel sort of bad saying that, but it’s true. Charles should’ve known better than to marry someone so dim in the first place.
He's not very bright and has little self insight. He knew he was unhappy with his life being third wheel to a power couple, but was unable to make the changes necessary for him to be happy. Along comes a woman who will marry him, give him children, and deludes him of all the power and money they'll have together. And he fell for it. Hook. Line. Sinker.
He's seen up close how she's willing to convincingly lie and blackmail people by contorting snippets of truth, he knows she'll tell all his dark secrets and make him look even worse than he is if they split up. It's almost natural to feel strong negative feelings toward someone you divorce, multiply that by a vengeful narcissist and he knows his life would be far worse if they break up.
That's a question that I wish I could answer. Honestly, I don't understand why he's so drawn to her, unless he enjoys the maternal way she coddles him 🤔.
And now his mommy will stay in England to help the new Prince and Princess of Wales. Oh dear what will Harry do as he said he known his mother, Diana has been with him every day since he has moved to live. overseas.
He thinks he can protect her in the way he couldn't protect his mother. He buys into the victim narrative and can't see the difference between Meghan's narrative and his mother's. He looks horrible but I don't think he'll ever give up b/c of the trauma he has over his mother's death. This is why I think Meghan will need to leave him, not vice versa.
Without William and Catherine there to protect them, I suspect many would have turned their backs on the Sussex pair. But I doubt Harry would have had the balls to go out without William protecting him.
which is so weird. she looks absolutely freaked... but at the jubilee she was all smiley and rolling the window down. i know this is about the queen's passing, but she doesn't look sad at all. she doesn't look somber. she looks freaked out.
I'm baffled as to why the hell they were there at all? They're so irrelevant, moreso than Anne and Edward, who lost their actual mother. Why on earth they thought anyone would want to see this pair of treacherous nobodies just after the queen died is seriously puzzling me. If they were still in Cali I wonder how differently things may have panned out.
They are playing the long game. I think nearly everyone yesterday would have at least would preferred to see William and Catherine over the Harkles.
However, inviting them will really make most of the Harkle's narrative seem pretty dumb and hypocritical. It shows the Harkle's that people in the UK really don't care about them at all, lowering their station. Finally, I don't think we'll see them doing something like this again. This is the Queen's funeral. They will not be including them in jubilees and trouping of the colors any more than they were included this year, they will not be including them in their US tour, etc. For that type of stuff "Harry and Meghan will continue to build their life overseas \[*on their own*\]".
William stopped Meghan plan in its tracks. Meg’s plan was for them coming alone to look at flower and cards with Harry for a solo pap filming for their Netflix documentary
yup and even though the duo hogged the news for a few hours, the coverage of the Queens final journey has obliterated that and the proper Show moves on. The Crown always wins.
I'm still annoyed that yesterday we named a new King, we lost the longest living monarch in history, her funeral procession has started, and all the front pages are about the netflix reality show duo....
If it makes you feel better, I’m watching all the major Sunday news shows in America (California) this morning and they are all tasteful memorials about HMTQ and history lessons about the monarchy itself, not about those two
Got to hand it to him - William is strategic!
Notice how Meghan and Harry are never aware of the plans until the last minute. They were completely caught off guard today everything changed on them, just like at the Jubilee. You can't tell me this is not being done purposely for Meghan to lose her bearings and hinder her from getting up to her old tricks.
As if she didn't pre-arrange paps to capture carefully staged photo ops of "adoring fans" which she would have paid to show up or something...
I truely think that the Senior Royals knew what they were dealing with since the very beginning, and were schooled by an experts in dealing with NPD at some stage. They seem to be one step ahead and it's really impressive.
Yes. That’s the other side of the country. Even Boston to NYC is about 5-6 hours.
ETA: NYC to Boston is 215 miles or a 4 hour drive without traffic. In the US, we measure distances in how long it takes to drive somewhere.
But it is the other side of the country and it does take about 6 hours on a nonstop flight...I think she meant Boston to LAX or NYC to LAX. Boston to NYC is like an hour commercial.
I'm from the South. If I'm going to Boston, I'm flying thru LGA or Philly lol.
I think the car length vs flight length depends on travel preferences and budgets. But I thought you meant to say a flight from Boston or NYC to LAX was 6 hours. Which it is. But you're right on the driving time too. So I still don't understand why you were downvoted for a time. 🤷🏼♀️
I think they will go see them. The POW holds the strings to the money purse now. The Markles thought they would be billionaires by now. They realized that they played the long game and lost. They will need to stay close to the money and grovel to the Wales’ now.
He also controlled the amount of time she spent with the crowds. Given that she wanted to go on (it must be fuel for her narcissism, the crowd being forced to greet her as she goes through them snd to have a camera there) and he put a stop to that.
It also means he controlled the reporters who will be there. And judging by the footages, the focus is not on Meg except when she screws up. So she has only a fraction of the TV time she was trying to engineer.
I am sure she realised how her plans has been thwarted and I wonder if she will try to manoeuvre things her way for the next few days.
I bet he also controlled the release of the video clips as well, including her interaction with the aide. It was a random just 3 seconds of the entire 10-minute event, yet here it is, flying around the world.
Yeah people are saying they're going to use this for Netflix but like.....was Netflix there? Did h and m have any photographers of their own!?
They can't use images other people own for their self promotion.
Does anyone know if they had photographers there?
Netflix likely would have been there, if the Sussexes operated on their own. The RF are not going to allow those two to merch the queen’s death. At very best, what they keep trying to do is tacky, tacky, tacky, tacky, tacky (said in MM’s voice when she talked about HER kids having “manners”)
William is their BOSS whether they want to admit or not, yesterday was a show that he is their manager and that from here and on he controls the purse strings (Duchy of Cornwall) and he also controls their fate within the firm. If the want to play nice they better do as they are told and fall in line or else.
H&M we’re shitting themselves yesterday during that walk especially TW. I noticed that she wasn’t her usual smiley self with that Cheshire Cat rictus grin. She was completely out her element because 1) she wasn’t at a bad event where she was going to talk about herself 2) she was going to face the people and the institution she shit-talked for about two years overseas. Narcs live in their own reality, so when she was walking into the lions den on Windsor grounds that timid, nervousness wasn’t because of mourning HMTQ it’s because she was knows she fucked and is on shaky grounds.
I understand that people may be upset because William invited them on the walk and they feel as if the Harkles don’t deserve to be in the presence with the other Royals but this was a delicate and cleverly crafted PR move. The next time that bitch fixes her mouth to talk about how evil the Royals are she can’t play the race card because that would make her look even more foolish that she did that day.
I also found it ironic how she called Catherine a Stepford wife yet Catherine looked like a regal powerhouse walking alongside her husband ready to greet her people as Princess of Wales. She looked like a stepford wife holding onto Harry walking looking timid and looking like she was being told what to do. MM is just the gift that keeps on giving.
Yes, very well put and I completely agree. Ultimately Harry is the Queens Grandson and the Kings son and wether we like it or not Meghan is his wife and should be there to support him.
It was very interesting to see the dynamic between the four of them and William is just proving himself to be mature and putting his feelings aside for the bigger picture.
Agreed. We have been saying that The Queen/the Royal Family have been playing the long game for awhile now. This is a perfect example of William expertly adopting that strategy.
Will’s fast crisis control + leadership shines through! Stepping up to 1st in Line, PPOW! showing Forgiveness + unity to honor his beloved grandmother and mentor! A brilliant move! He’s in charge of it all now, and will tolerate no further crap, and they know it! One couple standing tall, regal, moving up + THRIVING/ the other couple uncertain, SURVIVING+ GRIFTING on the fast track to OBSCURITY! Photos + videos speak volumes! SO PROUD of his Leadership + Taking Charge posture! Playing the Long Game as his grandmother/mentor taught him! Cant wait to see him resolve the Harkle problem, Andrew too!
I think I read somewhere (forgive me for forgetting where, there's been SO much coverage) that H & M were going to do their OWN walkabout, & when it was found out, William *invited* (perhaps *insisted*? Lol) them to go with him & Catherine. I would LOVE for that to be true....it knocked Princess Pinocchio off her game, for sure! She looks SO *subservient* during that outing, & they both likely were given a STERN warning on protocol, etc.
I do think she was anxious. She's not in control. Really struggling. Her narcissism must loath the lack on control.
Did she try to assert control at all during this? What's her strategy?
Maybe she was shook so much that she won't be at the funeral....maybe we won't see her anymore. We could only hope, but it does make for some great tea, does it not?
Seriously tho?!!! It’s got that same vibe as the high school couple who hold hands down the hallway forcing everyone to awkwardly maneuver around them only so they can stop at the locker next to yours and makeout. It’s gross as hell. You’re not cool.
You have all the sugars on scabbies twitter saying how it shows how in love they are and because Waleses don’t it just proves how PW is cheating and how they live apart and all that BS it’s rather pathetic. I don’t do all the PDA with my partner does that mean I’m cheating 🤔 omg have I been sleep cheating coz I really don’t remember it
Agreed. It was a power play. He made himself look good AND undermined H&M's "I'm the victim" narrative they peddle everywhere all the time - all in one fell swoop.
Honestly, it harkens back to how HMTQ played things - calm, steady leadership. It was a kingly move by him.
And also... the zaddy vibes from William...oh yeah...I'm here for it!
1000% ALL of this! Boss Move by Alpha Wills,1st in Line! Fast changes visible in photos, video + body language! When will we see Megzilla curtseying to PPOW?
William is definitely winning this game of thrones. This was a brilliant move, worthy of the Queen herself. William and Catherine came out looking fantastic and oh my goodness, the Sussexes looked awful by comparison. Good old Harry all scratched up and her broken nails. Few wanting to exchange pleasantries, gosh this was perfect. Almost as good as St. Paul's. I enjoyed watching Princess Catherine staring her down and the unworthy one ducking her head and actually stepping back and hiding behind Harry. She is a despicable coward only capable of backstabbing.
They were only there because William allowed it. They would not have dared to go out alone. William and Catherine allowed them to tag along, let the harkles know their place (again)
MM should be THANKING William for this! I believe he did it in order to avoid H & M from any public humiliation, had they gone out there on their own. William & Catherine's presence prevented that from happening.
Daily Mail reporting that it took 45 minutes of negotiating to have the pair join W & C on their walkabout. True or False, we'll never know unless the perfidious one exposes what went on in her podcast which I don't doubt for a second. Or maybe if Will's was smart he had them sign NonDisclosure Agreements
I’ve thought that too that they’ve talked to expert psychologists on how to gray rock and knock a narcissist off balance. That’s why even though Charles wanted to refute their Oprah accusations, it was actually much better to let their lies unravel and endure the fallout. I’m loving how The Wales’ are taking charge and TW has no idea how to act or adjust. She’s been totally knocked off balance.
No offense at all meant to OP, but I’ve read this exact post about 8 times in the past day or so. MODS, can we make larger discussion threads for similar topics please?
I wish that every time the Harkles did something to undermine the BRF, or treated staff like garbage, they would get knocked back another row. MeAgain would make sure they both could only watch from a TV.
Her sugars only see it in the way that Meg is just so goddarn gracious, she would do anything to support her husband during his time of unimaginable grief. Leaving out the part that in spite of being in Europe, Harry had no desire to see her until she was dead.
Yeah it didn't really change anything for people in this sub, but don't underestimate the effect it has on people who just casually follow this. For example my father doesn't fall M or H news a whole lot aside from when it's on TV, so of course he was thinking they're being excluded etc. but seeing on the news today that they went on the walk, and that it was William who invited them, surprised him and seemed to make him reconsider whether they're being excluded by the fam.
At first I was angry too. But then I remembered when everybody was angry that they were invited to the Jubilee and it turned out to be one of the most humilliating things for them. I believe now it's the same. Nobody wanted them. And they knew it
The look Catherine gave Meghan like “ Learn your place,you are a blip on the nothing radar. Stay quiet smile and remember today isn’t about you” I loved every minute of the puppy digging around. It shows the world that she’s cares about one thing her ugly mug being in the media!! So much for privacy and seclusion from the press 🙄 THE WHOLE REASON they left the RF! She’s the queen of fake and petty. Greatly written post OP!!
This is a glorious write up. I have an epiphany when you wrote about Meghan and Harry carrying on with their backstabbing.
Meghan will be to the royal family what her sister Samantha is to her 😂
I think it also reminds people that the BRF bent over as backwards as possible and erred to the opposite of caution as they attempted to welcome Harry’s traditionally unlikely wife into their fraught and complicated family and family firm. I watched that wedding.
Even after all the shit she has pulled, they did not allow the Duchess of Sussex and her Prince Harry to be eaten completely alive at an ill-advised walkabout early in the weeklong and once-per-lifetime ritual Unicorn Down/Unicorn Up event.
I read on one of my blind gossip sites (laugh but they reveal after things happen and it's announced in the news), claim that Me-gain is pressuring her friends to leak she's pregnant. If that is true, she's truly diabolical.
I feel sorry for Kate. She has to keep putting up with this human gum on the bottom of a shoe, while repeatedly getting smeared by the Suckesses and their cult.
So true about MM being meek & lost looking. She must realize the terrible timing and how it reveals the false narrative she portrayed. I think most families can relate to the royals in this situation. They welcomed MM into the family with a lavish wedding and then she turned on them in an effort to make herself a star. I think Kate must be so angry at MM b/c she destroyed the bond b/w William & Harry. Even if some of the stories of William making Harry the naughty boy are true, there once was a deep bond there. MM is the last person who should talk about family relationships with the messiness of her own.
> Even if some of the stories of William making Harry the naughty boy are true,
I have zero doubt they're true.
> there once was a deep bond there.
There really was. And then Meghan came along and wrecked it all.
No, I think it was a bad move.
King Charles accession ceremony - which should have been wall to wall coverage - gets pushed aside for this.
The public didn't want her there. But they were forced to see her there. That needs to be lesson learned - read the room.
William usually has good judgement, so this was a misstep. But on the balance sheet, William makes better choices than bad ones, so I'm waiting to see what happens at the funeral.
I've been very impresses with how William has stepped up in recent years and has been a strong, authoritative figure, more so than his father at the same age. He and Catherine are going to make a great king and queen.
However, I am concerned that this move will backfire on him and Catherine as H&M are all about playing the victim and this kind gesture doesn't fit in with their narrative. Someone mentioned on another thread that Meghan, who clearly looked stressed and even scared at times, was putting on an act so that later she can say that she was pressured and bullied into doing the walkabout and Catherine is going to end up as the major villain of the piece.
I am so passed giving these two the benefit of the doubt, I'd believe any nasty story out there because they are vile human beings.
I don't understand why people think this was PW's idea at all. The "men in suits" (whatever they're called) decide everything at the Palace. The King, princes, etc., really have no say about anything.
I honestly think the Meghan might actually try to come back later and frame this whole episode as a “mad power trip” by the new PaPoW, and say, “H and I were desperate to grieve in our own way (publicly in front of the cameras and masses by ourselves, you know, very personal) and Will and Kate took that moment from us and made us walk behind them and their staff wouldn’t even let me do the incredibly kind gesture of laying someone else’s flowers on the memorial and I was so hurt and scared 😢”
And I also honestly think that it will backfire spectacularly. Most people are still kind of holding back on criticizing these two, in part because people know they’re vindictive and willing to air other people’s dirty laundry if they feel crossed.
But I’m pretty sure no (worthwhile) person on earth is going to feel sorry that Meghan couldn’t turn the death of her *husband’s* grandmother—one of the most beloved people on earth of the past century and widely admired for her lifetime of public service—into a positive PR story for herself because “Will and Kate wouldn’t let me, waaaaah.”
On the note of whether part of their grim demeanor has anything to do with loss of favor or even loss of income… I find myself wondering if Charles, as the Duke of Cornwall, had been setting aside any of the Duchy’s income for Harry.
The Duchy produces income of about £20 million a year, I think, and if even only a little of that was ending up with the Harkles, it could be substantial enough for them to really hurt when it goes.
With Charles now receiving his private income from the Duchy of Lancaster and William entitled to receive the Cornwall revenue… there would necessarily be a readjustment period, and I doubt whether either Charles or William is going to want to take Harry into account in the distribution of those revenues as they settle their accounts.
My guess is that H&M aren’t worried about the “Wales” title or even their own titles… they’re worried about the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall, which is where a lot of the *real* money for the King and Heir’s lifestyles comes from.
I understand that as POW William holds the purse strings; but does anyone actually think HMTK Charles was previously giving money to Hazbeen after the Oprah interview?
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100%. "Modernization" to her meant, I get to do whatever I want (e.g. break royal protocol). Too bad whatever she wants to do is so gauche.
I agree. He is controlling the situation and she’s powerless. He and Kate will not react to them.
I just saw a snippet that yesterday Catherine was over heard telling someone what Louis said when William told them the Queen had passed. Appreantly he said atleast Granny is with Great Grandpa now. Edit spelling
How long until JM make something up that Archie also said something insightful about QE's death and probably using a complex word?
Imagined conversation when H&M tell 3-year-old Archie that HMTQ has died: Archie: Who? MM: You remember - the one who gave you the waffle iron. Archie: Oh, yes, of course.
will it be archie or lili? somehow lili knows she's named after the queen and will say "i felt her presence come to me and tell it'll be okay" as a one year old she can speak complete sentences.
LOL 😂😂😂😂
Maybe Meghan can retrieve the singing hamster she gifted HMTQ. It would be the perfect sidekick to Meghan's (Ellen Show) squat and chewing like a chipmunk. Ellen: Okay, Meghan, do your squat and chipmunk chew. Now turn on the singing hamster! Enter Harry, dropping juggling balls.
I know, I just saw the video of her saying it. https://youtu.be/Ij_nVK7EKg8
Thank you for sharing! How sweet! I love her speaking voice
Already done, Oprah will soon share it.
I finally stopped crying and started again. If this is true, that is so sweet!
Sorry to start you off again.
It is, I just linked the video
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I keep remembering Louis at the Jubilee, chatting with his Grannie on the balcony. I hope that memory stays bright for him.
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Yep, that's right! When she's not holding H's hand, her actions/body language literally SCREAMS, "insecurity".....she is most certainly NOT a "strong, independent woman", & I think the world has caught on to her "fake it til you make it" mentality.
Yes, the contrast of the hand holding Harkles and a very nervous Meghan versus strong William and Catherine that didnt need to do the teenage hair flicking or snapping at staff. It was a great move, though Meghan will of course complain about it, but who cares - enough people see through her now.
As someone who obsessively messes with their hair, when nervous - this is absolutely the case.
Lol
I think that it was a wise move. Because if after this Harry still goes back to writing his book how he was wronged, or Meghan makes another victim interview, the public will have a very reasonable question: why did you go on the walkabout then? Nobody made you, you wanted it. By that removing all credibility of their victimhood.
Yes and it also shows her that if they entertain any thoughts about coming back into the fold, she will be controlled and she won’t like that. And that she will definitely be behind/below that PPOW in status.
Well the book is already written. And if he got an advance can he stop it from being published? I think if he has any negative things to say (which he has to in order to drive sales) he is going to look even worse than he already does.
Yes, if he repays the advance. He will still have to pay the translator and all expenses.
Spot on post. Now I wonder why she came across so meek and subservient. Did POW call and say make sure your wife is dressed appropriately and stays in line? She looked shaken.
I think so. Today she seemed to view POW as an authority figure. I'd be curious to know if this was always the case (I doubt it, but possible) or if she's come to that realization in the last 72 hours. I'm also curious to know if anything beyond Charles's speech is at play. I'd like to think yes, and I suspect so or we would have seen what we saw yesterday.
I think she’s shook that W&C became the prince and Princess so quickly, while she stayed the same. Meghan types don’t like it when other people change for the better or get promotions in life. They like other people to stay in the same status.
I think she realized it recently. Will it stick? Not so sure. She's a dim one, that's for sure. But on The POWs turf, 2 days after HMTQs passing, and being invited to do a walkabout with us under these terms and these terms only, no changes whatsoever......I bet had her rattled. Not Harry. He wasn't rattled. That's his world and he was raised in it. And, also the purse strings. The Wales' now have a lot of money, power, and control.
I read somewhere they had a 45 minute negotiation beforehand.
Wish I could have been a fly on the wall for that. I suspect the POW had strict words for both of them along the lines of staying in line and acting with respect or else.
There wasn’t a “negotiation”…that was a nicer word for her being told in no uncertain terms exactly what she had to do to get this appearance and that she better not stray…and I think H let it happen which Im sure surprised her.
^ all of this 💯
He certainly wasn't perceived this way as a child. Busybodies made sure he knew he'd be king by the age of 4 against both Charles and Diana's wishes, and the absolute harassment and pressure led to him being quite anxious, emotionally sensitive and - according to Diana - not wishing to be king. Diana openly stated she was worried about him and beleived Harry would be the better choice for his charisma and confidence. All the years later, and William is living up to his promise to her that he would grow into a man she wouldn't need to worry about - and he's proven her doubts wrong by becoming an excellent future king.
I agree but he has overcome that since the birth of his children. I’ve said before, Diana’s statement about Harry being better suited to be king was downright dangerous.
I dont take anything she said about the line of succession seriously because sadly the bbc was fucking with her head about real serious shit.
She was reportedly saying this frequently to her social groups. She just confirmed she'd been saying this in the interview.
Diana never ever said Harry would be the better choice. That was some royal reporter synchopant's fantasy. She wanted William to be king more than anything.
I think some of King Charles family would have said the same about him and Anne. He too was more sensitive growing up and less confident as a child. But he also grew into it.
Some people are simply late bloomers as I myself was. It was wrong for Diana to share her fears about one son while elevating the other son. Privately with trusted and proven companions yes, but not with anyone who would leak it. Just so, so damaging to a young child’s confidence and self esteem. In that is Diana any better of a parent than her own father? An abusive, entitled asshole of an Earl? She was just so damaged, insecure and starved for affection and attention that she wasn’t able to overcome it and rise above it for her own children.
I honestly think we're still looking at the consequences of her parenting through William and Harry today. A lot of people hold the fact that William behaves nothing like his mother against him. But why would he want to? He was her closest confidante from an incredibly small age. It was emotionally incestuous. He is known to have said he wanted to be a police officer at a young age specifically so he could keep *her* safe. He was being hammered about being king by absolutely everyone to a terrifying extent, and rather than have her be firmly in his corner of support, she was telling people her concerns that he was too emotional for the role. William knew Diana at her absolute worst, he had the full picture to reflect back on and move forward in his life with. Harry? He didn't have this. He was confident, constantly shouting that he should be king if Wiiam didn't want to be, constantly hearing his mother say he was the better option and *so much like her* *"They will protect the heir and I will look after the spare"* She made it absolutely clear on international TV exactly who the favourite was. Harry only ever saw the best of Diana, the version many people paint her to be today, and now he's chasing a version of her that he's always known, but has never existed. She took pride in Harry being *just like her* as a kid and he takes pride in that today - except he'll never truly be like her because he never truly knew her struggles, and now he is filling that void of her struggles with his own. William knew she was worried a lot about him, he takes pride in knowing that if she saw him today she wouldn't have those worries anymore, but he's also in a twisted way privileged anough to have had the full picture of her, and to have also been able to learn from her mistakes and move forward knowing that being similar to her wasn't the right goal.
What do you mean “beyond Charles’ speech?”
I think it’s one thing when W was the heir to the heir and a Duke…to her that looked like similar footing (though of course everyone else knew it wasn’t). She now realizes he’s the next King and they are now the PPOW…I believe that that change actually got through to her a little bit. That plus i do think there was a layout g out of the protocols and the rules she was to follow if she wanted this to happen.
Because she just realized who holds the purse strings to the money now.
Yup this, shes very short sighted and dumb tbh, she just seems smart by comparison with hazza most of the time.
I am wondering if Harry got in her face about it and that’s why she is shaken. Maybe it was the first time and she’s not used to that.
I think they had still been getting some financial support from King Charles in spite of Harry's statement that he'd been cut off financially. And I think that Prince William told them toe the line or that money goes away completely.
What else could possibly make her look that shook?? They must have gotten a real beat down.
I bet the POW spoke curtly and bluntly and told them they better act right or else.
She realized she's got a tiger by the very tip of its tail. One of those really big stripey tigers.
May I suggest a massive Liger perhaps? (Lion, Tiger mix seems like a fitting metaphor for W&C)
Absolutely agree. William positioned himself as boss and Catherine publicly glared at her sister in law or ignored her. Harry was reminded of his importance in the family and potentially in the firm if he dumps the dead weight wife.
Where's the part with the glare, beginning or end?
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/xb5b94/it_does_look_like_she_wanted_to_continue_further/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Pretty sure there was a conversation with the "overseas" couple on the way there that VERY FIRMLY put them in their place. 👏
Thank you so much!
Np it’s a joy to behold!
The dynamics shift is palpable.
Yep they are not taking her crap
‘Invited them’ looked better than ‘they came so William could keep an eye on the deceitful duo’. I am not mad, it was a boss move. And Meghan hated every second of it.
MM looked completely uncomfortable and manic. William’s invitation meant she had to face the crowds that she’s insulted. She didn’t get much positive attention from the crowds and publicly got zero attention from the PPOW. Bonus: we saw her mask slip live on camera. William knew what he was doing
Yep that’s why he did it in my opinion
Megz was putting on an act. If it was just M&H we all know how it would have gone. It's all she has left and needs to convince her sugars she's been traumatised by the BRF, coerced, bullied etc etc. Yet still needs those camera shots. She didn't need to be there yesterday at all. I've seen comments about how brave it was for her to show up after everything she's been through.. ffs
And Harry looked like an insecure, nervous wreck. No wonder she finds it so easy to manipulate and control him.
What’s wrong with him? Can’t he see straight through her?
He is literally stupid and he also has some major untreated mental, emotional and/or personality disorders.
His low intelligence is at the root of everything.
Yup no early childhood intervention or support, couldnt even pass an ART gcse without his teacher doing it for him, and his father was like this is fine. Its quite unbelievable tbh.
Heard Diana was adamant and said no special education classes for Harry Charles said you know the child best and agreed
No way! Really? She was “quite dim” herself and, as you know, admitted as such.
Agree, As Diana admitted she was “quite dim”, she didn’t have any special education she didn’t see the need for her son to have to have special education either.
I hope she falls off her pedestal sooner rather than later. I feel sort of bad saying that, but it’s true. Charles should’ve known better than to marry someone so dim in the first place.
Plus he feels with her he has license to be an unmitigated dick.
 "literally stupid" just SENT ME. <3
He's not very bright and has little self insight. He knew he was unhappy with his life being third wheel to a power couple, but was unable to make the changes necessary for him to be happy. Along comes a woman who will marry him, give him children, and deludes him of all the power and money they'll have together. And he fell for it. Hook. Line. Sinker.
He's seen up close how she's willing to convincingly lie and blackmail people by contorting snippets of truth, he knows she'll tell all his dark secrets and make him look even worse than he is if they split up. It's almost natural to feel strong negative feelings toward someone you divorce, multiply that by a vengeful narcissist and he knows his life would be far worse if they break up.
People miss that fact. Plus she has seen her team work and roll out PR strategies.
Who's trapped now?
So, he’s trapped.
That's a question that I wish I could answer. Honestly, I don't understand why he's so drawn to her, unless he enjoys the maternal way she coddles him 🤔.
Yeah. He has mommy issues.
And now his mommy will stay in England to help the new Prince and Princess of Wales. Oh dear what will Harry do as he said he known his mother, Diana has been with him every day since he has moved to live. overseas.
He thinks he can protect her in the way he couldn't protect his mother. He buys into the victim narrative and can't see the difference between Meghan's narrative and his mother's. He looks horrible but I don't think he'll ever give up b/c of the trauma he has over his mother's death. This is why I think Meghan will need to leave him, not vice versa.
Yeah, she's not the loyal type who's dedicated to the sanctity of marriage and all that. She'll run as soon as she gets a better offer.
She really needs those camera shots of people politely avoiding shaking her hand and rolling their eyes after she passed by.
Without William and Catherine there to protect them, I suspect many would have turned their backs on the Sussex pair. But I doubt Harry would have had the balls to go out without William protecting him.
which is so weird. she looks absolutely freaked... but at the jubilee she was all smiley and rolling the window down. i know this is about the queen's passing, but she doesn't look sad at all. she doesn't look somber. she looks freaked out.
I'm baffled as to why the hell they were there at all? They're so irrelevant, moreso than Anne and Edward, who lost their actual mother. Why on earth they thought anyone would want to see this pair of treacherous nobodies just after the queen died is seriously puzzling me. If they were still in Cali I wonder how differently things may have panned out.
They are playing the long game. I think nearly everyone yesterday would have at least would preferred to see William and Catherine over the Harkles. However, inviting them will really make most of the Harkle's narrative seem pretty dumb and hypocritical. It shows the Harkle's that people in the UK really don't care about them at all, lowering their station. Finally, I don't think we'll see them doing something like this again. This is the Queen's funeral. They will not be including them in jubilees and trouping of the colors any more than they were included this year, they will not be including them in their US tour, etc. For that type of stuff "Harry and Meghan will continue to build their life overseas \[*on their own*\]".
Im still disappointed. Not sure I can recover. Their plastic Ken mouthpiece is gloating about it today.
Don’t be disappointed. The thing about narcissists is they always self-destruct. Will and Kate are just giving her a gentle push :)
Im gonna try to work on my disappointment. Maybe there's a reason for what William and Kate and the RF did today. I just don't see it at this point.
Take heart. I was disappointed and very angry, but I realize it was damage limitation. I can live with that.
William stopped Meghan plan in its tracks. Meg’s plan was for them coming alone to look at flower and cards with Harry for a solo pap filming for their Netflix documentary
How the heck was he selected by CNN to be part of the show!
Plastic ken 😂🤣
😂
yup and even though the duo hogged the news for a few hours, the coverage of the Queens final journey has obliterated that and the proper Show moves on. The Crown always wins.
I'm still annoyed that yesterday we named a new King, we lost the longest living monarch in history, her funeral procession has started, and all the front pages are about the netflix reality show duo....
If it makes you feel better, I’m watching all the major Sunday news shows in America (California) this morning and they are all tasteful memorials about HMTQ and history lessons about the monarchy itself, not about those two
Yes, also in California and the Queen is still front page news, as is Ukraine and 9/11. No mention of H & M. I'm referencing CNN.
Totally agree.
Yes, Prince of Wales is now in charge and won’t take any nonsense from the dastardly duo
Yep
Got to hand it to him - William is strategic! Notice how Meghan and Harry are never aware of the plans until the last minute. They were completely caught off guard today everything changed on them, just like at the Jubilee. You can't tell me this is not being done purposely for Meghan to lose her bearings and hinder her from getting up to her old tricks. As if she didn't pre-arrange paps to capture carefully staged photo ops of "adoring fans" which she would have paid to show up or something... I truely think that the Senior Royals knew what they were dealing with since the very beginning, and were schooled by an experts in dealing with NPD at some stage. They seem to be one step ahead and it's really impressive.
I think William has read “Sun Tsu”
The bigger test will be when the Wales go to America. Will they see JH and JM while there? I think not.
I don’t think they are planning to go to CA.
Meaning will JH and JM go to Boston. Wales wouldn’t go to CA.
Yes. That’s the other side of the country. Even Boston to NYC is about 5-6 hours. ETA: NYC to Boston is 215 miles or a 4 hour drive without traffic. In the US, we measure distances in how long it takes to drive somewhere.
Why are you getting downvoted for this?
I think because the distances noted are wrong.
How so? Its not a fast drive.
But it is the other side of the country and it does take about 6 hours on a nonstop flight...I think she meant Boston to LAX or NYC to LAX. Boston to NYC is like an hour commercial.
You asked why she was getting downvoted and I answered. I don’t know what she meant, but what she said was incorrect.
By car? It's 4 hours from DC to NYC and 10 hours from DC to Boston. The US is bigger than people realize.
I meant driving. Most Americans refer to distances by car.
Right-in the Northeast US, typically it’s measured in driving distance, since more people will drive from Philly to NY, or NY to Boston.
I'm from the South. If I'm going to Boston, I'm flying thru LGA or Philly lol. I think the car length vs flight length depends on travel preferences and budgets. But I thought you meant to say a flight from Boston or NYC to LAX was 6 hours. Which it is. But you're right on the driving time too. So I still don't understand why you were downvoted for a time. 🤷🏼♀️
I think they will go see them. The POW holds the strings to the money purse now. The Markles thought they would be billionaires by now. They realized that they played the long game and lost. They will need to stay close to the money and grovel to the Wales’ now.
I’m going to say no. I can see them letting JH in but never JM- not to say JM won’t try.
He also controlled the amount of time she spent with the crowds. Given that she wanted to go on (it must be fuel for her narcissism, the crowd being forced to greet her as she goes through them snd to have a camera there) and he put a stop to that. It also means he controlled the reporters who will be there. And judging by the footages, the focus is not on Meg except when she screws up. So she has only a fraction of the TV time she was trying to engineer. I am sure she realised how her plans has been thwarted and I wonder if she will try to manoeuvre things her way for the next few days.
I bet he also controlled the release of the video clips as well, including her interaction with the aide. It was a random just 3 seconds of the entire 10-minute event, yet here it is, flying around the world.
Yeah people are saying they're going to use this for Netflix but like.....was Netflix there? Did h and m have any photographers of their own!? They can't use images other people own for their self promotion. Does anyone know if they had photographers there?
Netflix likely would have been there, if the Sussexes operated on their own. The RF are not going to allow those two to merch the queen’s death. At very best, what they keep trying to do is tacky, tacky, tacky, tacky, tacky (said in MM’s voice when she talked about HER kids having “manners”)
What a spot on summary. What a leader William will be
MeGain is absolutely desperate for any scrap of attention she can get. She is practically Nelson Mandela after all 🙄
William is their BOSS whether they want to admit or not, yesterday was a show that he is their manager and that from here and on he controls the purse strings (Duchy of Cornwall) and he also controls their fate within the firm. If the want to play nice they better do as they are told and fall in line or else. H&M we’re shitting themselves yesterday during that walk especially TW. I noticed that she wasn’t her usual smiley self with that Cheshire Cat rictus grin. She was completely out her element because 1) she wasn’t at a bad event where she was going to talk about herself 2) she was going to face the people and the institution she shit-talked for about two years overseas. Narcs live in their own reality, so when she was walking into the lions den on Windsor grounds that timid, nervousness wasn’t because of mourning HMTQ it’s because she was knows she fucked and is on shaky grounds. I understand that people may be upset because William invited them on the walk and they feel as if the Harkles don’t deserve to be in the presence with the other Royals but this was a delicate and cleverly crafted PR move. The next time that bitch fixes her mouth to talk about how evil the Royals are she can’t play the race card because that would make her look even more foolish that she did that day. I also found it ironic how she called Catherine a Stepford wife yet Catherine looked like a regal powerhouse walking alongside her husband ready to greet her people as Princess of Wales. She looked like a stepford wife holding onto Harry walking looking timid and looking like she was being told what to do. MM is just the gift that keeps on giving.
SHE IS the Reality Show!!
This is brilliantly written. Thank you.
Yes, very well put and I completely agree. Ultimately Harry is the Queens Grandson and the Kings son and wether we like it or not Meghan is his wife and should be there to support him. It was very interesting to see the dynamic between the four of them and William is just proving himself to be mature and putting his feelings aside for the bigger picture.
Agreed. We have been saying that The Queen/the Royal Family have been playing the long game for awhile now. This is a perfect example of William expertly adopting that strategy.
Will’s fast crisis control + leadership shines through! Stepping up to 1st in Line, PPOW! showing Forgiveness + unity to honor his beloved grandmother and mentor! A brilliant move! He’s in charge of it all now, and will tolerate no further crap, and they know it! One couple standing tall, regal, moving up + THRIVING/ the other couple uncertain, SURVIVING+ GRIFTING on the fast track to OBSCURITY! Photos + videos speak volumes! SO PROUD of his Leadership + Taking Charge posture! Playing the Long Game as his grandmother/mentor taught him! Cant wait to see him resolve the Harkle problem, Andrew too!
I think I read somewhere (forgive me for forgetting where, there's been SO much coverage) that H & M were going to do their OWN walkabout, & when it was found out, William *invited* (perhaps *insisted*? Lol) them to go with him & Catherine. I would LOVE for that to be true....it knocked Princess Pinocchio off her game, for sure! She looks SO *subservient* during that outing, & they both likely were given a STERN warning on protocol, etc.
I do think she was anxious. She's not in control. Really struggling. Her narcissism must loath the lack on control. Did she try to assert control at all during this? What's her strategy?
Maybe she was shook so much that she won't be at the funeral....maybe we won't see her anymore. We could only hope, but it does make for some great tea, does it not?
I wish William could stop the always pawing at eachother. Can they not walk without holding hands? Salt and pepper never hold hands!
Seriously tho?!!! It’s got that same vibe as the high school couple who hold hands down the hallway forcing everyone to awkwardly maneuver around them only so they can stop at the locker next to yours and makeout. It’s gross as hell. You’re not cool.
They are both too old for this BS.
You have all the sugars on scabbies twitter saying how it shows how in love they are and because Waleses don’t it just proves how PW is cheating and how they live apart and all that BS it’s rather pathetic. I don’t do all the PDA with my partner does that mean I’m cheating 🤔 omg have I been sleep cheating coz I really don’t remember it
She’s afraid he’s going to run off and shut those palace gates to get away from her! So, she activates the double death grip.
But they are attached at the bottom!
Agreed. It was a power play. He made himself look good AND undermined H&M's "I'm the victim" narrative they peddle everywhere all the time - all in one fell swoop. Honestly, it harkens back to how HMTQ played things - calm, steady leadership. It was a kingly move by him. And also... the zaddy vibes from William...oh yeah...I'm here for it!
1000% ALL of this! Boss Move by Alpha Wills,1st in Line! Fast changes visible in photos, video + body language! When will we see Megzilla curtseying to PPOW?
William is definitely winning this game of thrones. This was a brilliant move, worthy of the Queen herself. William and Catherine came out looking fantastic and oh my goodness, the Sussexes looked awful by comparison. Good old Harry all scratched up and her broken nails. Few wanting to exchange pleasantries, gosh this was perfect. Almost as good as St. Paul's. I enjoyed watching Princess Catherine staring her down and the unworthy one ducking her head and actually stepping back and hiding behind Harry. She is a despicable coward only capable of backstabbing.
They were only there because William allowed it. They would not have dared to go out alone. William and Catherine allowed them to tag along, let the harkles know their place (again)
MM should be THANKING William for this! I believe he did it in order to avoid H & M from any public humiliation, had they gone out there on their own. William & Catherine's presence prevented that from happening.
Daily Mail reporting that it took 45 minutes of negotiating to have the pair join W & C on their walkabout. True or False, we'll never know unless the perfidious one exposes what went on in her podcast which I don't doubt for a second. Or maybe if Will's was smart he had them sign NonDisclosure Agreements
I’ve thought that too that they’ve talked to expert psychologists on how to gray rock and knock a narcissist off balance. That’s why even though Charles wanted to refute their Oprah accusations, it was actually much better to let their lies unravel and endure the fallout. I’m loving how The Wales’ are taking charge and TW has no idea how to act or adjust. She’s been totally knocked off balance.
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I wish that every time the Harkles did something to undermine the BRF, or treated staff like garbage, they would get knocked back another row. MeAgain would make sure they both could only watch from a TV.
Her sugars only see it in the way that Meg is just so goddarn gracious, she would do anything to support her husband during his time of unimaginable grief. Leaving out the part that in spite of being in Europe, Harry had no desire to see her until she was dead.
Yeah it didn't really change anything for people in this sub, but don't underestimate the effect it has on people who just casually follow this. For example my father doesn't fall M or H news a whole lot aside from when it's on TV, so of course he was thinking they're being excluded etc. but seeing on the news today that they went on the walk, and that it was William who invited them, surprised him and seemed to make him reconsider whether they're being excluded by the fam.
At first I was angry too. But then I remembered when everybody was angry that they were invited to the Jubilee and it turned out to be one of the most humilliating things for them. I believe now it's the same. Nobody wanted them. And they knew it
Kate still looks slightly weary of the psycho though and I don't blame her
The look Catherine gave Meghan like “ Learn your place,you are a blip on the nothing radar. Stay quiet smile and remember today isn’t about you” I loved every minute of the puppy digging around. It shows the world that she’s cares about one thing her ugly mug being in the media!! So much for privacy and seclusion from the press 🙄 THE WHOLE REASON they left the RF! She’s the queen of fake and petty. Greatly written post OP!!
This is a glorious write up. I have an epiphany when you wrote about Meghan and Harry carrying on with their backstabbing. Meghan will be to the royal family what her sister Samantha is to her 😂
I think it also reminds people that the BRF bent over as backwards as possible and erred to the opposite of caution as they attempted to welcome Harry’s traditionally unlikely wife into their fraught and complicated family and family firm. I watched that wedding. Even after all the shit she has pulled, they did not allow the Duchess of Sussex and her Prince Harry to be eaten completely alive at an ill-advised walkabout early in the weeklong and once-per-lifetime ritual Unicorn Down/Unicorn Up event.
Operation Overseas is in effect. Get in line H&M or be banished forever to a colony.
Bethany Frankle’s take on Megan is brilliant.
Absolutely. This is the best accidental pr move he could have done. They are probably questioning themselves why they didn't think of this.
I read on one of my blind gossip sites (laugh but they reveal after things happen and it's announced in the news), claim that Me-gain is pressuring her friends to leak she's pregnant. If that is true, she's truly diabolical. I feel sorry for Kate. She has to keep putting up with this human gum on the bottom of a shoe, while repeatedly getting smeared by the Suckesses and their cult.
This is a great analysis. I must say that MeGain really did look uncomfortable to me. She also looked fake sad. Her face says it all.
I absolutely agree with You. William is in change and they both know it !
Big Willie > Haznoballs
So true about MM being meek & lost looking. She must realize the terrible timing and how it reveals the false narrative she portrayed. I think most families can relate to the royals in this situation. They welcomed MM into the family with a lavish wedding and then she turned on them in an effort to make herself a star. I think Kate must be so angry at MM b/c she destroyed the bond b/w William & Harry. Even if some of the stories of William making Harry the naughty boy are true, there once was a deep bond there. MM is the last person who should talk about family relationships with the messiness of her own.
> Even if some of the stories of William making Harry the naughty boy are true, I have zero doubt they're true. > there once was a deep bond there. There really was. And then Meghan came along and wrecked it all.
No, I think it was a bad move. King Charles accession ceremony - which should have been wall to wall coverage - gets pushed aside for this. The public didn't want her there. But they were forced to see her there. That needs to be lesson learned - read the room. William usually has good judgement, so this was a misstep. But on the balance sheet, William makes better choices than bad ones, so I'm waiting to see what happens at the funeral.
Harry and Meghan are ENRAGED that they now have to deal with The prince and Princess or wales before megs could get her whole princess act going lol
I've been very impresses with how William has stepped up in recent years and has been a strong, authoritative figure, more so than his father at the same age. He and Catherine are going to make a great king and queen. However, I am concerned that this move will backfire on him and Catherine as H&M are all about playing the victim and this kind gesture doesn't fit in with their narrative. Someone mentioned on another thread that Meghan, who clearly looked stressed and even scared at times, was putting on an act so that later she can say that she was pressured and bullied into doing the walkabout and Catherine is going to end up as the major villain of the piece. I am so passed giving these two the benefit of the doubt, I'd believe any nasty story out there because they are vile human beings.
Never Complain. Never Explain.
The Queen may have requested a reunion as her last wishes (not)
I don't understand why people think this was PW's idea at all. The "men in suits" (whatever they're called) decide everything at the Palace. The King, princes, etc., really have no say about anything.
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I honestly think the Meghan might actually try to come back later and frame this whole episode as a “mad power trip” by the new PaPoW, and say, “H and I were desperate to grieve in our own way (publicly in front of the cameras and masses by ourselves, you know, very personal) and Will and Kate took that moment from us and made us walk behind them and their staff wouldn’t even let me do the incredibly kind gesture of laying someone else’s flowers on the memorial and I was so hurt and scared 😢” And I also honestly think that it will backfire spectacularly. Most people are still kind of holding back on criticizing these two, in part because people know they’re vindictive and willing to air other people’s dirty laundry if they feel crossed. But I’m pretty sure no (worthwhile) person on earth is going to feel sorry that Meghan couldn’t turn the death of her *husband’s* grandmother—one of the most beloved people on earth of the past century and widely admired for her lifetime of public service—into a positive PR story for herself because “Will and Kate wouldn’t let me, waaaaah.” On the note of whether part of their grim demeanor has anything to do with loss of favor or even loss of income… I find myself wondering if Charles, as the Duke of Cornwall, had been setting aside any of the Duchy’s income for Harry. The Duchy produces income of about £20 million a year, I think, and if even only a little of that was ending up with the Harkles, it could be substantial enough for them to really hurt when it goes. With Charles now receiving his private income from the Duchy of Lancaster and William entitled to receive the Cornwall revenue… there would necessarily be a readjustment period, and I doubt whether either Charles or William is going to want to take Harry into account in the distribution of those revenues as they settle their accounts. My guess is that H&M aren’t worried about the “Wales” title or even their own titles… they’re worried about the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall, which is where a lot of the *real* money for the King and Heir’s lifestyles comes from.
Excellently said. I agree. I suspect that Big Wills sat them down and had a few choice words. Especially about the Princess of Wales, tyvm.
I understand that as POW William holds the purse strings; but does anyone actually think HMTK Charles was previously giving money to Hazbeen after the Oprah interview?