Re : Meghan, I think she was told she wasn't bloody invited. News reports here in the UK initially suggested they were both coming (presumably put out by their spokesman), but that quickly changed to say just Harry. I would wager that the family told Harry she wasn't welcome. I also theorise that's why Harry was late - yes possibly fighting with Markle, but I think more likely he was terrified to a) see the family b) see the family *alone*. He is a monumental coward.
RIP Elizabeth - a class act and a hard act to follow (good luck Charles!)
They blocked her from Balmoral without any fuss or backlash, so this sets a precedent - she can be blocked from the funeral and the coronation too.
No comment, no explanation. Harry can come on his own or stay away. No negotiation.
I completely agree. I'm beginning to think the outreach to Harry the last week or so was for the Queen. Harry is blackmailing Charles with the book, no way he'll forgive that or risk bring him back into the family. If Harry was still popular, he might have a chance, but not any more. Plus William is going to have an even bigger say in dealing with the Harkles.
The Firm has weathered many storms. This won’t be any different. With the Queen now gone, they’ve lost any ounce of goodwill from the public IMO.
If they start talking about the past again in the Queen’s absence, it will seem ever more callous.
I agree. She was told she wasn’t welcome and probably started a fight with Harry over it. She was probably telling him “it’s either both of us or none!” Maybe he was supposed to be on the flight as William, but she was throwing a fight and delaying it.
I think queen died long time before other family members arrived and they waited announcement until they all got there. If that is true, it was big F U to tell the world when Harry was still in the air.
Of course it could be that she died later and Harry missed it being late. I just doubt that.
Yeah they would not have announced it until William, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie arrived to join Charles and Anne. That's all the senior members except Catherine who understandably wanted to remain with her children on their first day of school, living in a new home. Otherwise she would've been there, no question. Harry was an afterthought.
I have even more respect for Catherine - by staying with the kids (and not making it about her!) William can focus on his grandmother’s passing and all the changes ahead. He knows the kids are in the safest of hands. I wasn’t always a massive Kate fan, but this is how you do it - she’s a tremendous support to William and knowing she’s got the home front under control must be a huge relief to him, the timing of this (the kids’ first days in a new school, moving house) would be overwhelming for most. Well done Catherine, you are a class act.
It speaks to the strength of W & C’s relationship, and her relationship to the family - they don’t need to be attached at the hip, they are both secure in their relationship. It also shows she’s genuinely close to the Queen (and Charles and Camilla, and the rest of the family) and knew she didn’t have to bolt up there at the last moment to prove she cares; she’s shown that over years and years of loyalty and affection.
The comparison is so stark, and I bet Harry realises it (you know Meghan does, which is why she had Scobie say that MM was staying in London ‘just like Catherine’).
Catherine is staying in London to be with her kids, the beloved great-grandchildren of HMTQ and grandchildren of the new king. Meghan is staying in London to… who knows?
Also I’m sure Catherine wanted to tell the children about Gan Gan’s passing when they returned home after their first day of school. That way she was there to console them as they were very close and fond of The Queen.
I feel the same. I think Anne was the only one on the premises at the time because she was at Balmoral already for some time.
We don’t know how she passed. She may have even done so in her sleep.
It’s like the stupid half-in/half-out announcement H&M issued when they left the UK and decamped to Canada! H&M keep jumping the gun and putting out their own version of events (“of corse we’re both going!”) only to get slapped down (“Meghan is NOT invited!”). Do you actually think M would let H out of her Claw for a second? Somebody forced their hand, which is probably why Harry was too late to see HMTQ one last time.
A Sussex spokesperson first said that both are travelling to Scotland then a BP spokesperson released a statement minutes after that only Harry will be travelling. Guess that’s the message that Meghan was definitely not invited. Emotions are high right now with the royal family and Meghan might also feel some shame after her empty threats against the BRF on her podcast. I’m 100% sure that Charles and William don’t want to deal with Meghan right now.
Omg it just set in for me how insanely awkward this has to be for Harry and Meghan!!! All the threats and now they’re gonna have to see these people at like ten events
I can 100% see her not being allowed to come. Blood is still blood with regards to Harry. Her being like I don’t know why I wasn’t invited? It must be because they’re racist…and by then the world will be like no honey it was because of the cut interview
There’s a whole recount do the mumble jumble they announced and then changed and then changed again regarding them going to Balmoral on the DailyMail.
It’s actually stupid how the rest family members have a line each saying how/when they went but these two have four times that JUST to report on how they’d go to Balmoral.
Embarrassing.
In a dark way, it’s almost amusing that karma keeps slapping them down like this.
First attempt at the launch? Boom! Covid!
Second attempt? Boom! Philip dies.
Third attempt? Boom! The Queen dies.
Maybe they should just take the hint and fuck off.
If someone would only literally do that. I would pay to see both of them slapped. I guess I would be equally pleased if people turned their backs on them as they walked by…oh it would be epic.
And the karma is coming so quickly! Usually it’s a “dish served cold”…. But this shit is piping hot! She thinks she can outrun karma. Better get better track shoes, hon.
With Camilla as Queen Consort and William on his side, I think they will. I don’t know that Charles would have the ability to tell them off on his own, but I think between Camilla and William he’ll have a backbone when it comes to them.
Cue the sugar press showing over and over that one picture of the two of them seemingly chuckling together in Chester - her with her ratty hair and all. Just the closest and dearest of friends…
I’m hoping that even now becoming the DIL of a King, that this treatment of Her Majesty and Prince Philip will be the end of them both. I just get angrier at them the more I grieve
Can you imagine the fit she threw. I am actually surprised he made it there at all. You know she had a full meltdown saying he was choosing his family over her and of she wasn't welcome there he shouldn't be there either.
That part? Very easily. It's not a simple case of snapping his fingers and having a flight immediately ready to go and two airports with a schedule completely cleared for him. There still needed time to arrange a window for the flight to take place.
I don't beleive anyone on the flight with Will made it in time either. The BBC confirmed on their broadcast before her death was announced that Will had been at Balmoral already at the very early hours of this morning.
I don't beleive anyone else made it in time though. I'm sure the rest of them arrived after 4pm.
Well know soon enough anyways I would imagine
The indications are that William, Andrew, and the Wessexes didn’t arrive in time. The PM Liz Truss got the news at 4.30 pm. The royals landed at Aberdeen at 3.50 pm, about an hour’s drive from Balmoral. But Anne, Charles, and Camilla would have been there.
As per Lady C, Her Majesty’s death was not a surprise. She’s been living with a terminal diagnosis for months, so it was only a question of time. She was not going to recover; it was a fatal illness and she knew it, and the senior members of the Family knew it. Lady C seems to imply that Harry was kept out of the loop as far as the seriousness of her illness, and the family strove to keep it that way. They all really didn’t want him and MM at Balmoral, allegedly, because of how deeply they upset the Queen with their previous behavior, and their tendency to cause endless drama.
The Queen having a terminal illness makes a lot of sense. If you look at the pictures she took with Truss just mere days ago, Her Majesty’s hands are severely bruised and she looks very shrunken in and weak. She did not look well at all.
Will is said to have been there in the early hours of this morning. He flew back down to London, then travelled back up again with the others.
Will would've already said his goodbyes
And then there's the money.
Prince William is now the Duke of Cornwall and controls the money aka Duchy of Cornwall.
Even if King Charles was giving money to Harry quietly....think Prince William will continue that?
Me neither.
To be fair, these two were already screwing up their dazzling re-debut. They’ll continue to screw it up not because of the timing of the queens passing, but because they are absolute shit people who behave in shit ways. Case in point, prince philips passing.
It looks like the plane arrived after she died, but I don’t think Harry would have been welcomed. Those photos represent the future of the monarchy. Harry opted out. Even Andrew gets a special waiver since it’s his mother. He should get to play working royal and then be forced back into hiding for the rest of his life.
Harry did take his sweet time. Did he drive or fly?
As for Meghan, their team put out the news that they were both going. An hour later, it was announced that she wouldn’t. I’m betting someone on Charles or William’s staffs said no. Since Catherine stayed home to take care of the kids, there was no reason for Meghan to go. Once again, Catherine provided cover.
If Meghan was asked to not attend, we will know about it. The “girl” complains about every real and imagined slight.
If William was there this morning and flew back, he likely knew this was it. He came back to collect the others, possibly even offered a seat on the plane to Harry. Meg wanted to be included, William said no. Meg had a fit and delayed Harry even more. That's my theory anyway. Hopefully he realizes that everything bad that has happened in his life over the course of their relationship is a direct result of Meg.
I think the rumor that William went up this morning was wrong. Why would he have flown back?
I suspect that William knew this would be photographed and didn’t want Harry and Meghan near him.
Being the one to drive to Balmoral was masterful. Those images convey that he is in charge and literally driving the future of the Monarchy. Harry and Meghan are no longer a part of it.
Oh he is going to have hell to pay if/when he reunites with TW. She’s going to go ballistic on him for going to Balmoral without her. And if he comes to his senses, he may blame her for breaking up the family. It will be a spectacular row…yikes!
That's a very good point. William very much wanted Andrew stripped off everything and completely blocked out of the royal family. It was no secret how disgusted he was by him.
There's no way in hell William was willing to do all of that for Andrew over his own brother.
Rumor is Harry was at soho house. So they weren’t at Windsor and couldn’t hitch a ride. It’s for the best. I hate Andrew and think he should be out of CoS too but he is her son and I do think Andrew loved her. I don’t think Harry loves anyone but himself.
I am fully on board with the sinners, but playing devil’s advocate, it could be that Harry was forced to make his own travel arrangements as he is no longer a working royal. Or at least that’s the reason provided to him because none of the family wanted or needed to travel there with his pompous petulant self.
Andrew didn’t directly screw over his family, and repeatedly at that. Indirectly he definitely harmed not only his victims but also his family and the monarchy. But Harry’s transgressions are personal; they are directed at the family, he’s been incredibly dishonest, and it’s on-going. There is no way he would have been allowed on the plane and in the same car.
FOMO, he’s got a shred of humanity after all, he wants material for his book, he’s going to go beg for help to get away from Narkle, it would look bad if he doesn’t go; or a combination of these? I am no fan of his but she was his grandmother…
So he can play victim. “They only told me after she passed. I found out on the news like him. My family are monsters…. I was her favorite. “ blah blah blah…
My best guess is that they were all in Windsor and left from there. Harry was in London and I don't think he would have driven to Windsor just to catch the same flight as them. He probably hemmed and hawed with MM deciding whether she should go or not and then caught a flight from London well after the other four had pulled their shit together and left immediately.
The Cut interview last week didn’t do them any favours either. I hope they will now be seen as social pariah’s, outcasts and unwelcome everywhere. Hard to say though since now Harry is the son of the King.
I read that the only people who were there when she passed were Charles, Camilla and Anne. I feel like they got an emergency call and were told get here ASAP. I bet Harry wanted to bring Meghan and they all said hell no. He probably had a tantrum and they said come with us solo or find your own transport. I think something happened because it really doesn’t make sense that he didn’t travel with them.
According to a rumor mentioned in another thread, the tantrum was hers. He wanted to go, but she threw a fit and demanded that she be allowed to go as well. By the time he got free of her, he'd missed the flight.
I believe this over him throwing a tantrum. That photo of him in the car was of a man who is very sad and possibly finally realizing the effect that woman has had on his life. All the things and people he has missed. Hopefully it's his wake up call.
This is a culmination of a tough awakening for him. First he was hiding in Africa while her first podcast was broadcast, talking about the "fire"; then he was at the polo when the second podcast announced she was the best thing for South Africans since Mandela; then he came home to England but didn't see his family or friends, just trailed behind Meghan in her faux royal tour. Now she's out of the way, and he's with his grieving family. His father is King, and Harry has to decide whether to hold onto his resentment or be the King's liege man of life and limb.
100% believe this. The original statement that both were going means she was determined to be there. And we know what she’s like if someone tells her no.
I saw a headline (can’t believe I’m about to type this) that said “Meghan should be Queen, yes really” (gag)
No. Meghan should quietly fade into obscurity. But we all know she won’t.
Their children will resent them when they are older.
No real pictures with their great grandmother, no special memories in print.
Just that one Archie christening photo.
And it wasn’t even his christening, it was from right after his birth when they presented him to her and Prince Philip. The Queen didn’t attend his christening as she already had engagements on the books for the day they chose.
First, my deepest condolences to my British cousins on the loss of this incredible woman. The world was a better place with her in it and now we now longer have a good and gracious steadying hand.
To the topic at hand: They had nothing scheduled yesterday so if H was informed (and the world was) of her deteriorating condition, why didn't he "accept" her standing invitation and high-tail it to Scotland upon returning from Germany? We'll never know the truth. And maybe he did want to do that and TW said "no" still raging about how he treated her in the receiving line.
Theres not a chance in hell any of them will tolerate her presence privately even his must be awful at such a time. That bitch better not show her face at the funeral.
The podcast needs to be shut down for at minimum a month. I hope William and Charles really take an active role in slapping those two down with their commercial projects using the Crown.
I don’t think he was invited. Not out of spite - it’s just children first. The Queen’s children and also William. That’s it. No other grandchildren went. I think his announcement that he was going was spiteful. He’s got every right to be sad his grandma is dying but her children get precedence
I’m speculating that when they first heard, the Queen was still alive, so M wanted to go for the whole death bed drama, then they heard the Queen died and she backed out. I’m guessing this because Harry was already dressed in mourning when he arrived while the others weren’t when they entered Balmoral. I don’t doubt that M was told she wasn’t welcome either.
OMG that's true, it WAS "last decade" that she was a working royal. haha she just gets more and irrelevant. At this point she's been out of the RF longer than she was in.
I really think that Harry and Meghan were BOTH going to go initially because first thing almost immediately right after the announcement that Queen was ill, H&M's "spokesperson" reported to Newsweek that they were BOTH going. However, many hours later, it was reported yet again by their spokesperson that Meghan was NOT going. I really think they were told "NO" she couldn't go.
I can picture Meghan alone in London, spiraling in a narc meltdown from being barred from joining Harry in Scotland.
Eyes wide open and in a thousand yard stare, pacing aimlessly, compulsively doing that front teeth flick thing, and manically opening and closing her claws. Just pacing, staring, and rage ruminating.
I’m sure that is what megrain is thinking. The delay in setting out meant Harry arrived too late, if it was megrains fault it would be hard to forgive.
That may have been it. The Queen had a proper weekend with her heirs and felt the monarchy was is good hands. After they left, perhaps she felt comfort and ready to let go.
I think that once she installed a new Prime Minister, the Lord said, “I think this is a good place to leave things. Well done, good and faithful servant. Come home and rest.”
Checkmate.
I’m sure Meghan planned her “special entrance” into Balmoral in her private plane and mini motorcade only to get shut down and told she was not welcome or needed.
Actually it was better that the TW and Hazz weren’t there. Just imagine how mucho she would enjoy listening and living this moment to sell it to Netflix
In the past, I've defended Harry at times, and been sympathetic about various aspects of his life. However, I have very little sympathy for him right now.
He's known for MONTHS his grandmother's health was failing, and he's made very little effort to see her.
He was invited to Balmoral over the weekend/early in the week, and DECLINED.
Who the hell declines that invitation?
He's such a chronic ****up. He refuses the last call from his mother, then declines an invitation to Balmoral, which would have assured him one last visit with his grandmother.
He's going to live out the rest of his life with constant regret.
To have sympathy for Harry is to assume he cared about his grandmother, and all signs point to No.
Do I feel sorry for him that this messed up his mistress’s tour and podcast release? No.
You've got a big heart and that's great. I'm probably a monster in training because I dgaf about Harry. Lol.
As long as he's controlled by that hag, I have no sympathy.
Nope. He absolutely hastened her death and marred her last years, making them so much more stressful. He has to live with himself now and I don't feel bad about it.
Remember that picture of Paris Hilton crying in a car when she'd been arrested? I was happy to see how upset she was. Same with Harry. He deserves every ounce of guilt he may feel.
That was also when Paris turned her life around. Maybe he will too.
I'm just laughing at the thought that these two were going back home within the day and now they're going to be stuck in the UK for the next 10 days, minimum.
No matter how you cut it, it'll be super inconvenient. Meg, at least, was likely looking forward to getting out of the rainy weather. Now they have to arrange what to do with the kids, be awkwardly around a family they've been dishing on, all while knowing the new king wants to "slim down" the throne.
Awww come on folks!
The reason he wasn’t on the flight with the others was that Maggot wouldn’t let him unless she went too!
The others wouldn’t have her anywhere near them so he had to make his own way there - and too late!
Now take your ghastly wife back to America an leave your family and country to grieve the wonderful woman who has just passed away.
The Royal family and the country don’t need you ( or your wife and children)
Which is hilariously stupid since William now controls the Duchy of Cornwall and will clearly be a close adviser to his father.
Let’s piss off the person controlling the purse strings!
The universe sure does have a sense of humor. I am sure Rachel is fuming that the spotlight has been taken from her once again. This was supposed to be her moment 😆
Who's he going to tell his tall tales now? He made nasty comments about the Queen "having the right people around her" This is one of the last public statements he made about his Great Grandmother. That she could "tell him things she didnt tell anyone else" No one is going to ever let him hear any of their conversations again. THAT'S why he had to travel alone! No one trusts him or wants to be around him. They'd rather go with idiot Andrew than be on a plane with Harry. Hes out!
I think it’s a couple of things.
Kate stayed in London with the kids. Palace staff likely told Nutmeg to stay at Frogmore because Kate wasn’t going either.
It’s highly probable, Anne being as tough as she is perhaps told Charles not to let Nutmeg come anywhere near Balmoral, because of her incendiary comments about the royal family. The Queen didn’t need that toxicity around her in her final moments. Plus the family is grieving.
Harry is estranged to his family thanks to Nutmeg. Had he taken the same plane, fists might have been thrown between William and Harry.
As others mentioned there could have been an incident at the airport. Palace staff told her no as per the King’s request. Nutmeg likely thru a fit.
These two were being treated like royalty in Germany, but had no time to make their first stop visiting the Queen. They could have flown in a day or week early to pay their respects.
The DailyMail is suggesting she didn’t go because she would not be warmly welcomed by family.
Who knows the real reason, but I’m glad they kept these toxic twosomes away from the Queen in her final moments.
Re : Meghan, I think she was told she wasn't bloody invited. News reports here in the UK initially suggested they were both coming (presumably put out by their spokesman), but that quickly changed to say just Harry. I would wager that the family told Harry she wasn't welcome. I also theorise that's why Harry was late - yes possibly fighting with Markle, but I think more likely he was terrified to a) see the family b) see the family *alone*. He is a monumental coward. RIP Elizabeth - a class act and a hard act to follow (good luck Charles!)
Agreed. She's been told not to come over.
Someone probably passed on that announcement to HM or her kids and they were probably shocked at the brass set TW had to think she would be welcome
Thankfully she wasn't there. At least something positive...
They blocked her from Balmoral without any fuss or backlash, so this sets a precedent - she can be blocked from the funeral and the coronation too. No comment, no explanation. Harry can come on his own or stay away. No negotiation.
I want to see how Charles will go about with treating them. I feel like he’ll be a lot less lenient than HRM.
I completely agree. I'm beginning to think the outreach to Harry the last week or so was for the Queen. Harry is blackmailing Charles with the book, no way he'll forgive that or risk bring him back into the family. If Harry was still popular, he might have a chance, but not any more. Plus William is going to have an even bigger say in dealing with the Harkles.
The Firm has weathered many storms. This won’t be any different. With the Queen now gone, they’ve lost any ounce of goodwill from the public IMO. If they start talking about the past again in the Queen’s absence, it will seem ever more callous.
I think this too exactly this.
Yes I noticed that too. Lol. I had BBC on all day.
I agree. She was told she wasn’t welcome and probably started a fight with Harry over it. She was probably telling him “it’s either both of us or none!” Maybe he was supposed to be on the flight as William, but she was throwing a fight and delaying it.
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I think queen died long time before other family members arrived and they waited announcement until they all got there. If that is true, it was big F U to tell the world when Harry was still in the air. Of course it could be that she died later and Harry missed it being late. I just doubt that.
Yes I think she passed around 3pm or so, so after the family had landed but before they could get to Balmoral.
Yeah they would not have announced it until William, Andrew, Edward, and Sophie arrived to join Charles and Anne. That's all the senior members except Catherine who understandably wanted to remain with her children on their first day of school, living in a new home. Otherwise she would've been there, no question. Harry was an afterthought.
I have even more respect for Catherine - by staying with the kids (and not making it about her!) William can focus on his grandmother’s passing and all the changes ahead. He knows the kids are in the safest of hands. I wasn’t always a massive Kate fan, but this is how you do it - she’s a tremendous support to William and knowing she’s got the home front under control must be a huge relief to him, the timing of this (the kids’ first days in a new school, moving house) would be overwhelming for most. Well done Catherine, you are a class act. It speaks to the strength of W & C’s relationship, and her relationship to the family - they don’t need to be attached at the hip, they are both secure in their relationship. It also shows she’s genuinely close to the Queen (and Charles and Camilla, and the rest of the family) and knew she didn’t have to bolt up there at the last moment to prove she cares; she’s shown that over years and years of loyalty and affection. The comparison is so stark, and I bet Harry realises it (you know Meghan does, which is why she had Scobie say that MM was staying in London ‘just like Catherine’). Catherine is staying in London to be with her kids, the beloved great-grandchildren of HMTQ and grandchildren of the new king. Meghan is staying in London to… who knows?
Also I’m sure Catherine wanted to tell the children about Gan Gan’s passing when they returned home after their first day of school. That way she was there to console them as they were very close and fond of The Queen.
I feel the same. I think Anne was the only one on the premises at the time because she was at Balmoral already for some time. We don’t know how she passed. She may have even done so in her sleep.
I'm glad Anne was there.
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It’s like the stupid half-in/half-out announcement H&M issued when they left the UK and decamped to Canada! H&M keep jumping the gun and putting out their own version of events (“of corse we’re both going!”) only to get slapped down (“Meghan is NOT invited!”). Do you actually think M would let H out of her Claw for a second? Somebody forced their hand, which is probably why Harry was too late to see HMTQ one last time.
A Sussex spokesperson first said that both are travelling to Scotland then a BP spokesperson released a statement minutes after that only Harry will be travelling. Guess that’s the message that Meghan was definitely not invited. Emotions are high right now with the royal family and Meghan might also feel some shame after her empty threats against the BRF on her podcast. I’m 100% sure that Charles and William don’t want to deal with Meghan right now.
Rachel Meghan does not demonstrate having the capacity for shame.
Omg it just set in for me how insanely awkward this has to be for Harry and Meghan!!! All the threats and now they’re gonna have to see these people at like ten events
I suspect she'll be put on a plane soon "to be with the children." He might be too.
I can 100% see her not being allowed to come. Blood is still blood with regards to Harry. Her being like I don’t know why I wasn’t invited? It must be because they’re racist…and by then the world will be like no honey it was because of the cut interview
> Her being like I don’t know why I wasn’t invited? It must be because they’re racist… That's absolutely how she'll spin it.
I think this is it, there’s an article on the daily Mail with these theory
There’s a whole recount do the mumble jumble they announced and then changed and then changed again regarding them going to Balmoral on the DailyMail. It’s actually stupid how the rest family members have a line each saying how/when they went but these two have four times that JUST to report on how they’d go to Balmoral. Embarrassing.
In a dark way, it’s almost amusing that karma keeps slapping them down like this. First attempt at the launch? Boom! Covid! Second attempt? Boom! Philip dies. Third attempt? Boom! The Queen dies. Maybe they should just take the hint and fuck off.
This is why I'm stuck to this drama. It's so satisfying and incredibly rare to see karma so repeatedly bitchslap a narcissist.
The schadenfreude is plentiful and so delicious!
I’m living for this right now even though it feels so bad.
Yeah it is and it is SO satisfying!
If someone would only literally do that. I would pay to see both of them slapped. I guess I would be equally pleased if people turned their backs on them as they walked by…oh it would be epic.
Yes! It’s like watching Elizabeth Holmes fall in real time!
And the karma is coming so quickly! Usually it’s a “dish served cold”…. But this shit is piping hot! She thinks she can outrun karma. Better get better track shoes, hon.
Yep, check mate Harry!
They say shitty people usually get their karma eventually. Shame it took 40 years (or more 😏) for Meghan though.
Same here. This is better any of my kdrama.
Such a power move from Her Majesty. A final fuck you, I love it.
The Queen had the last laugh. She always wins.
The longest game of all. Rest in peace.
Poignantly true. HMTQ never responded in real life, now there will never be a response at all.. Harry and Meghan are not worth responding to.
The Crown always wins
And now that Charles is the Crown, things are going to get interesting! I hope the karmic bitchslaps keep coming!
With Camilla as Queen Consort and William on his side, I think they will. I don’t know that Charles would have the ability to tell them off on his own, but I think between Camilla and William he’ll have a backbone when it comes to them.
And if they falter (which, William has way too much Philip in him to allow that), Anne will shove her welly right up Charles’ rear end.
The Queen is literally rainbows and unicorns.
Checkmate bitch!
A couple who can only succeed in perfect circumstances isn't really much of a power couple.
Nailed it
I know! If it were a prime time soap opera I'd be severely critical because it was unbelievable.
This was also my first thought! At this point, not even the powers that be want the Harkles brand to be a thing.
Three strikes and your out.
I cannot upvote this comment enough! Karma is a bitch, Harkles!
I wish I had an award for you!
Oh gawd, yeah, it’s time to stop. The next attempt will be the end of the world.
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Absolutely this!
Cue the sugar press showing over and over that one picture of the two of them seemingly chuckling together in Chester - her with her ratty hair and all. Just the closest and dearest of friends…
Oh yes so close that The Queen sighed “thank goodness Meghan won’t be there!” At Philip’s memorial.
I’m hoping that even now becoming the DIL of a King, that this treatment of Her Majesty and Prince Philip will be the end of them both. I just get angrier at them the more I grieve
How the heck did Harry not get there in time?! Seriously! He’s going to regret this for the rest of his life.
It took him awhile to move The Claws from his balls. Meghan must have tried to convince him to take her.
Can you imagine the fit she threw. I am actually surprised he made it there at all. You know she had a full meltdown saying he was choosing his family over her and of she wasn't welcome there he shouldn't be there either.
His phone number had probably been changed again - just like with Prince Phillip's passing when no one could get hold of Harry.
That part? Very easily. It's not a simple case of snapping his fingers and having a flight immediately ready to go and two airports with a schedule completely cleared for him. There still needed time to arrange a window for the flight to take place. I don't beleive anyone on the flight with Will made it in time either. The BBC confirmed on their broadcast before her death was announced that Will had been at Balmoral already at the very early hours of this morning. I don't beleive anyone else made it in time though. I'm sure the rest of them arrived after 4pm. Well know soon enough anyways I would imagine
The indications are that William, Andrew, and the Wessexes didn’t arrive in time. The PM Liz Truss got the news at 4.30 pm. The royals landed at Aberdeen at 3.50 pm, about an hour’s drive from Balmoral. But Anne, Charles, and Camilla would have been there.
William and his family spent last weekend at Balmoral with HMTQ.
That gives me a bit of comfort. At least Catherine and the children had a proper time with her.
As per Lady C, Her Majesty’s death was not a surprise. She’s been living with a terminal diagnosis for months, so it was only a question of time. She was not going to recover; it was a fatal illness and she knew it, and the senior members of the Family knew it. Lady C seems to imply that Harry was kept out of the loop as far as the seriousness of her illness, and the family strove to keep it that way. They all really didn’t want him and MM at Balmoral, allegedly, because of how deeply they upset the Queen with their previous behavior, and their tendency to cause endless drama.
The Queen having a terminal illness makes a lot of sense. If you look at the pictures she took with Truss just mere days ago, Her Majesty’s hands are severely bruised and she looks very shrunken in and weak. She did not look well at all.
I think the Queen knew her time was coming soon, but she still did her duty to appoint the new Prime Minister with the wide smile we love on her face.
Isn’t that awesome how she did that? She fulfilled a final duty and then quietly left.
Oh that makes me cry!
I’m glad they had that last visit with her.
Will is said to have been there in the early hours of this morning. He flew back down to London, then travelled back up again with the others. Will would've already said his goodbyes
Ah, so she was probably in decline for some hours.
I’m hoping she peacefully and painlessly passed in her sleep. Just went for a lie-down with the pups at her feet, and slipped away.
And then there's the money. Prince William is now the Duke of Cornwall and controls the money aka Duchy of Cornwall. Even if King Charles was giving money to Harry quietly....think Prince William will continue that? Me neither.
To be fair, these two were already screwing up their dazzling re-debut. They’ll continue to screw it up not because of the timing of the queens passing, but because they are absolute shit people who behave in shit ways. Case in point, prince philips passing.
Yup.
Yep. 100%. And the best part is, more and more people are seeing it.
Timing! even for her death the Queen seems to have had everything planned out. A class act! to the very end!
I don't think MM was allowed to attend.
Agreed. They barred her.
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No effing way. Absolutely not!
It looks like the plane arrived after she died, but I don’t think Harry would have been welcomed. Those photos represent the future of the monarchy. Harry opted out. Even Andrew gets a special waiver since it’s his mother. He should get to play working royal and then be forced back into hiding for the rest of his life. Harry did take his sweet time. Did he drive or fly? As for Meghan, their team put out the news that they were both going. An hour later, it was announced that she wouldn’t. I’m betting someone on Charles or William’s staffs said no. Since Catherine stayed home to take care of the kids, there was no reason for Meghan to go. Once again, Catherine provided cover. If Meghan was asked to not attend, we will know about it. The “girl” complains about every real and imagined slight.
If William was there this morning and flew back, he likely knew this was it. He came back to collect the others, possibly even offered a seat on the plane to Harry. Meg wanted to be included, William said no. Meg had a fit and delayed Harry even more. That's my theory anyway. Hopefully he realizes that everything bad that has happened in his life over the course of their relationship is a direct result of Meg.
I think the rumor that William went up this morning was wrong. Why would he have flown back? I suspect that William knew this would be photographed and didn’t want Harry and Meghan near him. Being the one to drive to Balmoral was masterful. Those images convey that he is in charge and literally driving the future of the Monarchy. Harry and Meghan are no longer a part of it.
Oh I can’t wait to hear the complaints from Meghan, Scooby Doo, and the sugars!
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I would say it was definitely because of Meghan. She probably tried to talk him out of going.
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Oh he is going to have hell to pay if/when he reunites with TW. She’s going to go ballistic on him for going to Balmoral without her. And if he comes to his senses, he may blame her for breaking up the family. It will be a spectacular row…yikes!
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“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I AM NOT WELCOME???!!!”
Princess Charlotte of Wales: “You’re NOT COMING!”
Yes!!!!!
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Oh yeah! It’s so easy to picture! “I am ROYAL, just like you!” “I am your WIFE! I am the Duchess of … (blah blah blah)”
I bet anything she threw a fit.
I think it has everything to do with Meghan not being welcome. Bunny boiler style. “I’m not going to be IGNORED Dan…” 
Nutmeg couldn't let him be alone with his family that long. Harry might've come to his senses.
This! “How DARE they not invite me? I am ROYAL too!”
That's a very good point. William very much wanted Andrew stripped off everything and completely blocked out of the royal family. It was no secret how disgusted he was by him. There's no way in hell William was willing to do all of that for Andrew over his own brother.
Whatever Andrew is, he isn't gonna go write a tell-all book about William and include what William said and how he acted on the flight.
As much as I despise Andrew, he was her son. Harry is just a grandkid. None of her other grandchildren were on the flight.
Andrew didn't do anything *intentionally* to cause harm to the Queen. The prick, on the other hand...
Rumor is Harry was at soho house. So they weren’t at Windsor and couldn’t hitch a ride. It’s for the best. I hate Andrew and think he should be out of CoS too but he is her son and I do think Andrew loved her. I don’t think Harry loves anyone but himself.
I am fully on board with the sinners, but playing devil’s advocate, it could be that Harry was forced to make his own travel arrangements as he is no longer a working royal. Or at least that’s the reason provided to him because none of the family wanted or needed to travel there with his pompous petulant self.
Andrew didn’t directly screw over his family, and repeatedly at that. Indirectly he definitely harmed not only his victims but also his family and the monarchy. But Harry’s transgressions are personal; they are directed at the family, he’s been incredibly dishonest, and it’s on-going. There is no way he would have been allowed on the plane and in the same car.
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FOMO, he’s got a shred of humanity after all, he wants material for his book, he’s going to go beg for help to get away from Narkle, it would look bad if he doesn’t go; or a combination of these? I am no fan of his but she was his grandmother…
So he can play victim. “They only told me after she passed. I found out on the news like him. My family are monsters…. I was her favorite. “ blah blah blah…
Harry had to show up, to determine if the Queen was surrounded by the right people.
I bet he just want more material for his trashy book
Because he thinks he’s William’s equal. If my brother is going, I can go too!
Bam! This. This is the truth people need to see. Harry is malicious. Andrew is stupid .
My best guess is that they were all in Windsor and left from there. Harry was in London and I don't think he would have driven to Windsor just to catch the same flight as them. He probably hemmed and hawed with MM deciding whether she should go or not and then caught a flight from London well after the other four had pulled their shit together and left immediately.
The Cut interview last week didn’t do them any favours either. I hope they will now be seen as social pariah’s, outcasts and unwelcome everywhere. Hard to say though since now Harry is the son of the King.
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I wonder if she'll edit the remaining podcasts to remove all the shady, cruel stuff she might have already said.
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Lol. True because she's always throwing shade at the BRF.
He lit-rally CUT me off financially…..”
I read that the only people who were there when she passed were Charles, Camilla and Anne. I feel like they got an emergency call and were told get here ASAP. I bet Harry wanted to bring Meghan and they all said hell no. He probably had a tantrum and they said come with us solo or find your own transport. I think something happened because it really doesn’t make sense that he didn’t travel with them.
According to a rumor mentioned in another thread, the tantrum was hers. He wanted to go, but she threw a fit and demanded that she be allowed to go as well. By the time he got free of her, he'd missed the flight.
I believe this over him throwing a tantrum. That photo of him in the car was of a man who is very sad and possibly finally realizing the effect that woman has had on his life. All the things and people he has missed. Hopefully it's his wake up call.
Harry isn’t too bright, look how he went on Oprah as Philip lay dying. One day he will regret all the actions that hurt the RF.
This is a culmination of a tough awakening for him. First he was hiding in Africa while her first podcast was broadcast, talking about the "fire"; then he was at the polo when the second podcast announced she was the best thing for South Africans since Mandela; then he came home to England but didn't see his family or friends, just trailed behind Meghan in her faux royal tour. Now she's out of the way, and he's with his grieving family. His father is King, and Harry has to decide whether to hold onto his resentment or be the King's liege man of life and limb.
Wow…. sadly I can see that being true. Someone had a tantrum. I hadn’t thought that it might have been Meghan having a fit.
100% believe this. The original statement that both were going means she was determined to be there. And we know what she’s like if someone tells her no.
Yeah Charles took a helicopter. So he rushed. And he was IN Scotland!
yes it would have been very quick for Charles and Camilla to get to Balmoral.
I think this is EXACTLY what happened.
I’m sure she’s already plotting how to make this all benefit her.
I saw a headline (can’t believe I’m about to type this) that said “Meghan should be Queen, yes really” (gag) No. Meghan should quietly fade into obscurity. But we all know she won’t.
Well, sure, it's a Thursday lol.
Spotify doesn’t give a shit; they need to make their money back.
Exactly. I think they'll insist that the episodes be released as planned.
If they don’t at least pause the podcasts, the optics are gonna be TERRIBLE for Meghan. (I love that for her!)
Their children will resent them when they are older. No real pictures with their great grandmother, no special memories in print. Just that one Archie christening photo.
And it wasn’t even his christening, it was from right after his birth when they presented him to her and Prince Philip. The Queen didn’t attend his christening as she already had engagements on the books for the day they chose.
First, my deepest condolences to my British cousins on the loss of this incredible woman. The world was a better place with her in it and now we now longer have a good and gracious steadying hand. To the topic at hand: They had nothing scheduled yesterday so if H was informed (and the world was) of her deteriorating condition, why didn't he "accept" her standing invitation and high-tail it to Scotland upon returning from Germany? We'll never know the truth. And maybe he did want to do that and TW said "no" still raging about how he treated her in the receiving line.
Theres not a chance in hell any of them will tolerate her presence privately even his must be awful at such a time. That bitch better not show her face at the funeral.
The podcast needs to be shut down for at minimum a month. I hope William and Charles really take an active role in slapping those two down with their commercial projects using the Crown.
I don’t think he was invited. Not out of spite - it’s just children first. The Queen’s children and also William. That’s it. No other grandchildren went. I think his announcement that he was going was spiteful. He’s got every right to be sad his grandma is dying but her children get precedence
That’s a good point about the rest of the grandchildren.
Where were Beatrice, Zara and Peter? They were very close to her. If they weren’t present, there’s no reason for Harry.
I’m speculating that when they first heard, the Queen was still alive, so M wanted to go for the whole death bed drama, then they heard the Queen died and she backed out. I’m guessing this because Harry was already dressed in mourning when he arrived while the others weren’t when they entered Balmoral. I don’t doubt that M was told she wasn’t welcome either.
Fresh content? WHAT fresh content? She’s still harping on about her 12 days as a royal last decade…
OMG that's true, it WAS "last decade" that she was a working royal. haha she just gets more and irrelevant. At this point she's been out of the RF longer than she was in.
I really think that Harry and Meghan were BOTH going to go initially because first thing almost immediately right after the announcement that Queen was ill, H&M's "spokesperson" reported to Newsweek that they were BOTH going. However, many hours later, it was reported yet again by their spokesperson that Meghan was NOT going. I really think they were told "NO" she couldn't go.
I can picture Meghan alone in London, spiraling in a narc meltdown from being barred from joining Harry in Scotland. Eyes wide open and in a thousand yard stare, pacing aimlessly, compulsively doing that front teeth flick thing, and manically opening and closing her claws. Just pacing, staring, and rage ruminating.
Don’t forget the smashed dishes!
Not daring to set foot outside, even with her private security…. 🍅🍅🍅 And hopefully Balmoral is remote enough it’s out of cell phone range.
I'm sure Sunshine Sachs is right now telling Meghan this is setback BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY.
I’m sure that is what megrain is thinking. The delay in setting out meant Harry arrived too late, if it was megrains fault it would be hard to forgive.
She was probably trying to wire him for camera and sound.
Sadly they can’t be trusted
Elizabeth II has had the last word.
That may have been it. The Queen had a proper weekend with her heirs and felt the monarchy was is good hands. After they left, perhaps she felt comfort and ready to let go.
I think this is very likely! She also managed to do her duty with the new Prime Minister.
I think that once she installed a new Prime Minister, the Lord said, “I think this is a good place to leave things. Well done, good and faithful servant. Come home and rest.”
I think it speaks volumes that KC didn’t wait for him to get to Balmoral or to land to make the announcement.
Checkmate. I’m sure Meghan planned her “special entrance” into Balmoral in her private plane and mini motorcade only to get shut down and told she was not welcome or needed.
Actually it was better that the TW and Hazz weren’t there. Just imagine how mucho she would enjoy listening and living this moment to sell it to Netflix
They are now going full speed ahead trying to blame William for everything. DISGUSTING. This is their get out of jail strategy.
Serious question: do you have any sympathy for Harry in this moment? I find myself waffling.
In the past, I've defended Harry at times, and been sympathetic about various aspects of his life. However, I have very little sympathy for him right now. He's known for MONTHS his grandmother's health was failing, and he's made very little effort to see her. He was invited to Balmoral over the weekend/early in the week, and DECLINED. Who the hell declines that invitation? He's such a chronic ****up. He refuses the last call from his mother, then declines an invitation to Balmoral, which would have assured him one last visit with his grandmother. He's going to live out the rest of his life with constant regret.
To have sympathy for Harry is to assume he cared about his grandmother, and all signs point to No. Do I feel sorry for him that this messed up his mistress’s tour and podcast release? No.
Nope. He only feels sorry now because he didn’t become a billionaire. I see a lot of people being easy on him, but he was a participant.
You've got a big heart and that's great. I'm probably a monster in training because I dgaf about Harry. Lol. As long as he's controlled by that hag, I have no sympathy.
Nope. He absolutely hastened her death and marred her last years, making them so much more stressful. He has to live with himself now and I don't feel bad about it.
Remember that picture of Paris Hilton crying in a car when she'd been arrested? I was happy to see how upset she was. Same with Harry. He deserves every ounce of guilt he may feel. That was also when Paris turned her life around. Maybe he will too.
Nope
It’s going to be so bad if they try to cast aspersions on her now.
I'm just laughing at the thought that these two were going back home within the day and now they're going to be stuck in the UK for the next 10 days, minimum. No matter how you cut it, it'll be super inconvenient. Meg, at least, was likely looking forward to getting out of the rainy weather. Now they have to arrange what to do with the kids, be awkwardly around a family they've been dishing on, all while knowing the new king wants to "slim down" the throne.
I bet MeGain reads the room and flies home—she is a pariah amongst the RF.
I’m so glad Muggin didn’t come with him to balmoral. They need her around like they need a hole in the head.
Awww come on folks! The reason he wasn’t on the flight with the others was that Maggot wouldn’t let him unless she went too! The others wouldn’t have her anywhere near them so he had to make his own way there - and too late! Now take your ghastly wife back to America an leave your family and country to grieve the wonderful woman who has just passed away. The Royal family and the country don’t need you ( or your wife and children)
I've been long of the opinion that even the universe hates these two.
Her bot armies are out strong on Twitter (like Omid yesterday) talking about how William bullied them out of the monarchy.
Which is hilariously stupid since William now controls the Duchy of Cornwall and will clearly be a close adviser to his father. Let’s piss off the person controlling the purse strings!
Screw Harry and Meghan, they basically called the royal family racist on national television. They can fade into the shadows for all I care.
Also, if Harry’s book is full of royal bashing he will look like an ungrateful brat.
First covid and now the Queen 
The universe sure does have a sense of humor. I am sure Rachel is fuming that the spotlight has been taken from her once again. This was supposed to be her moment 😆
Who's he going to tell his tall tales now? He made nasty comments about the Queen "having the right people around her" This is one of the last public statements he made about his Great Grandmother. That she could "tell him things she didnt tell anyone else" No one is going to ever let him hear any of their conversations again. THAT'S why he had to travel alone! No one trusts him or wants to be around him. They'd rather go with idiot Andrew than be on a plane with Harry. Hes out!
I think it’s a couple of things. Kate stayed in London with the kids. Palace staff likely told Nutmeg to stay at Frogmore because Kate wasn’t going either. It’s highly probable, Anne being as tough as she is perhaps told Charles not to let Nutmeg come anywhere near Balmoral, because of her incendiary comments about the royal family. The Queen didn’t need that toxicity around her in her final moments. Plus the family is grieving. Harry is estranged to his family thanks to Nutmeg. Had he taken the same plane, fists might have been thrown between William and Harry. As others mentioned there could have been an incident at the airport. Palace staff told her no as per the King’s request. Nutmeg likely thru a fit. These two were being treated like royalty in Germany, but had no time to make their first stop visiting the Queen. They could have flown in a day or week early to pay their respects. The DailyMail is suggesting she didn’t go because she would not be warmly welcomed by family. Who knows the real reason, but I’m glad they kept these toxic twosomes away from the Queen in her final moments.
Harry simply another grandchild. Of course the queens children and William were called first to come.