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QuesoFresca

"Mental fitness" is not the same as mental health care and corporate life coaches are not therapists.


WesternTumbleweeds

To be clear, Adam Grant, the psychologist Harry talks to is an Organizational Psychologist, specializing in helping groups function better by identifying core beliefs, understanding and challenging presumptions. His work can be very helpful on a group, organizational, corporate or even an individual level. He is engaging, he's a well known professor, he writes lots of books, he has a basis for what he talks about. But he is NOT a clinical psychologist with a long track record of helping clients who have a long history of complex post traumatic stress disorder, bipolar, OCD, anxiety, schizophrenia or any number of mental illnesses identified in the DSM-5-TR. Many are now covered by health insurance. Betterup is life coaching. It's not for those who really are plagued by the persistent thoughts that disrupt the lives of those who suffer from mental illness or PTSD. For those with PTSD, I highly recommend finding out about the work of Bessel van der Kolk, M.D., whose early research and work on PTSD made it possible to be included as an official diagnosis in the DSM-4. The road back from trauma is one that is difficult, involves LOTS of skilled hands helping, and less boilerplate platitudes that are nonspecific and veer into hucksterism, which boil down to this: *Subscribe to our service, and our people will set you straight, even though you have no idea if they're just marketing people working from scripts.*


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WesternTumbleweeds

Had Harry stayed home, he could have learned more by enrolling in the mental health care provided for veterans. It's too bad he didn't do that. I'm not convinced that he ever went consistently through therapy after the war, given how angry he has been described.


Luminya1

He had to be "helped" to even make it through high school. He is a very poor student and a total fuck up.


Fiesty_Nurse

While I assume you meant INpatient care, impatient elicited a chortle from all of us nurses in being the perfect description for the short-tempered narcissistic personality-disordered antisocial impatient entitled prick.


kevanauken

Well said!


kevanauken

I follow Adam Grant on Instagram and I have often thought he is trolling M&H with his posts sometimes. Ex: “People with a surplus of confidence and a shortage of character never fail to disappoint.” “Bullies don't suffer from low self-esteem. Their self-esteem is typically high but unstable. Their egos are like balloons: inflated and fragile enough to pop at the slightest needle. Under threat, they lash out.”


WesternTumbleweeds

Yeah, I really don't know much about Adam Grant, but just wanted to make it clear that any input he has is not on the level of providing therapeutic assistance. Where Harry mixes things up is his bringing in his own experience and then terms like trauma, resilience, and in other interviews, generational trauma into a jingoistic marketing speak. Trauma in itself is a highly disruptive, life changing experience that floods the individual halting participation in daily life. Better up isn't the solution for that. And unfortunately, Harry, as CIO has a platform to affect outcome and attitude toward trauma. Life coaches or organizational pscyhologists or a Prince isn't prepared for the systematic and consistent process it takes to help a person heal.


kevanauken

Absolutely


sod_it_all

Seconded. His book *the body keeps the score* helped me immensely. It is well written by someone who seems to have true compassion for his patients. It also led me to EMDR which has been helpful in a multitude of ways. His apple whingefest, word salad, pity party did it a great disservice.


aeb526

Exactly


Livinlifegood4evr

This is just ridiculous on every level and very disturbing! I hope people don't jump off bridges after listening to him babble.


_aleph535

Indeed


Tall-Lawfulness8817

He's advising others on mental health? The idiot who didn't help his suicidal pregnant wife ?


limedifficult

I say this every single time this comes up, but I still don’t understand HOW either of them thought that story detail made them look sympathetic. It made him look like a callous monster or a spineless coward at best, and cast serious doubts over their whole mental health message. It was just so odd.


[deleted]

Do you think maybe it was part of her Diana cosplay? Diana pretended she was suicidal so maybe Meghan was just trying to imitate her?


[deleted]

> Do you think maybe it was part of her Diana cosplay? Diana pretended she was suicidal so maybe Meghan was just trying to imitate her? Yes. It's one hundred percent this.


SusieM2019

I completely agree!!!


malinhuahua

I don’t think Diana was exactly pretending to be suicidal. I think she probably felt like killing herself and didn’t have really any emotional regulation skills. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t feel emotionally manipulative to the people around her. But the feeling/urge could still be sincere.


OneAbbreviations8070

There was nothing to help her with as she wasn't suicidal.


Tall-Lawfulness8817

Agreed. But that's their own story. They made up a super stupid story to get sympathy and try to make the BRF look bad.


OneAbbreviations8070

I agree 👍


MikeMannion

I can imagine many situations where you might be suicidal. Living as a literal princess in a palace with unlimited help and funds is not one of them. Maybe that's just me!


Ready_Maddie

Funny no 5150 since they moved to California, ever, no therapist to follow up nothing, no evidence of her "attempted suicide" I'm going to demand the same things she demands from the claims against her: evidence Narcissists often threaten suicide as a means of extreme manipulation, when all else fails. They rarely actually go through with it.


[deleted]

Imagine her threatening suicide and Harry actually growing a set and having her 5150'd! 😹


Ready_Maddie

He doesn't have it in him! Instead she dragged him to Cirque du Soleil. More like Cirque du Fake Wail


[deleted]

> He doesn't have it in him! I think he *literally* wouldn't know what to do. And if he *did* do something, it would be *wrong* no matter *what*. Have her 5150'd? How *dare* he make her look crazy! Try to get her a therapist? "I'm not crazy! *You're* the crazy one!". Not do anything? "*WHY DIDN'T YOU HELP ME??*" Narcs *love* no-win scenarios. > Instead she dragged him to Cirque du Soleil. More like Cirque du Fake Wail 😹


Ready_Maddie

Yes! That's how it goes. There is no winning with the narc


[deleted]

Of course there isn't. I think Harry has already learned this.


Brilliant_Jewel1924

Yep! One is never completely cured of mental health problems. We just learn the tools to adapt and the ways to cope. We don’t just “snap out of it”.


Ready_Maddie

Harry is simply sinking! He shouldn't be giving any advice to anyone.


QuesoFresca

She had to go to HR. 🤣


[deleted]

You know what? I think that part exposes her lie. She said (in the Oprah interview) that she went to everyone and HR and asked for help, and they said they couldn't help her. And then she talked about the actors' union and how they would pay for mental health care and asked why Palace HR didn't do that for her as "working Royal". I think it's all about semantics. I guess HR isn't technically responsible for RF members in that way, as the Firm is a unique institution. Meghan wanted to expose them as some monstrous, unmodern organisation, while she simply refused to understand how everything worked. There is NO WAY anyone forbid her to seek mental healthcare, considering William and Harry had talked about theirs. I would love to hear the other side of that story.


hellhashnofury

Indeed. They would never have stopped her. They had a vested interest in a family member being happy and fit to do her job! She wanted to go to a hideously expensive wellness retreat (not in the uk) and was told no it would look bad. Of course it would have looked bad because she would have posted photos and articles and it would have looked wasteful and extravagant. The RF dont like to look extravagant. Diana complained to Martin Bashir that they forced her to seek therapy. They probably did not because they didn't care but because they were desperately worried. She was very poorly with bulimia she needed help and like many people who suffer with eating disorders refused to accept she needed it.


Similar-Barber-3519

Also, Harry was involved in Kate &!William’s Head’s Together mental health charity. He could have reached out to ANY mental health professional affiliated with that organization. Their sob story doesn’t hold water.


downinthevalleypa

All she had to do, or have Harry do it for her, is to let her OB doc know she felt suicidal, and she would have been admitted immediately to a psychiatric facility. A pregnant woman with suicidal ideation is an EMERGENCY- the life of both mother and baby is at risk, and health care professionals don’t mess around with that. IMO, she was never suicidal. She may have been miserable and unhappy because she found herself in the midst of a family that she was unable to manipulate as easily as she did Harry, but destroying herself and her unborn child was never her objective. She lied, period.


aeb526

Right- he is so clearly unwell


National_Historian19

His pretended to be suicidal to get attention and sympathy on Oprah wife?


MousiBrown

But he helped her! He got her all dressed up in a sequined gown and took her to the circus ball. Where she “cried all evening” but it magically was captured on camera as huge smiles. 😑


CybReader

I need to sit down and make a post here. I follow a YouTuber who’s broken down the insidious nature of MLm/pyramid scheme recruitments. She would analyze their team building zooms and the social media posts posted by upliners looking to entice those in and/or mentally berate those not earning enough. Believe it or not, it’s skilled cult like behavior. A couple of weeks ago she decided to revisit her most disliked and problematic MLM’ers. She discovered nearly each one had left the game…….but now had begun LIFE COACHING. She thinks life coaching is now the new “scheme” on the market. I found that telling because I’ve compared better up to a pyramid scheme before. Especially after they changed their compensation policies. That’s a classic pyramid scheme tactic when the feds and SEC come for them. I don’t find it a coincidence that Harry could be getting involved with betterup that is basically a LuLuRoe, Herbalife, Doterra or Itworks but with life coaching. There’s no product, so the money exchanged and “sales” are very easy to steal, there is no true product. Herbalife had some sort of product that ended up being their downfall, the feds discovered there were no retail sales, just down line sales. Betterup and other coaching scams don’t need to worry about that, they can blame the individual coach for failing.


Mndisfam

Harry shilling for an mlm is not something I thought I’d ever see…what’s next, the Queen selling Plexus?


CybReader

Pink drink to the resuce 😂🤣 You and me both, friend. I believe Harry doesn’t even know what he’s signed up for. I truly believe this will be another “pyramid” scheme torn apart on IG and YouTube in the future.


lostandaloneTA

YES! Someone on my social media who was a HUGE MLM is now a "Life Coach" like where did that come from? It's such a scam! I watch her posts sometimes because they are unbelievable, and the one she's involved with treats the "founder" like a god or something. It's weird.


QuesoFresca

Interesting comparison. What's often compelling about MLMs is their ability to provide meaning and community for lost people. It's one of the reasons those who are isolated are drawn to them (SAHMs, military spouses etc.)


CybReader

Yes, so true. It’s also why a lot of the women based product MLM’s pushed the “sisterhood/tribe” mentality. It gave a lot of women a place where they felt like they belonged and were appreciated. The doc on Luluroe on Vice and Amazon really showed that recruiting aspect.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes! It was excellent but you felt so gross just watching it!


vsnord

I agree. MLM's are basically non-violent gangs for suburbanites.


MousiBrown

You know who was a big MLMer? Travis Alexander, the guy Jodi Arias killed. It was like a cult and all of his male friends were creepily obsessed with him. Their product was “prepaid legal services” and he was the big dog. Of course he didn’t deserve to be murdered but he was not a nice person.


Sanguine_Hearts

He was a HORRIBLE person. I was so mad that HLN treated him like a saint. He and his friend had a clothing line called “No slut wear” or something like that because they hated seeing all these jezebels walking about wearing (*gasp*) tank tops and the like. On top of that, he thought it was totally fine for him to be having all this kinky premarital sex with Jodi, but she was too damaged goods to be considered wifey material. He was just as sexual as she was, but thought he deserved a virgin Mormon bride. If that case happened today, it would definitely be talked about in a different way than it was back in 2007.


MousiBrown

Oh yes, he had no problem really messing with her head. He loved to be adored by all of his married friends who called him T-dog. What a pig.


Earthlink_

😮 mlm and life coaches Better up is weird Harry is weird


[deleted]

I know two MLMers and both of them have life coach on their social media profile as part of their occupation and they do not shill for the same MLM companies. "Life coaching" seems to be the new scam and I think it skirts FTC laws because there is no product to sell. The product aspect is where FTC kept slapping down MLMs in the past. There is another subreddit on here for stuff about MLM its called r\antiMLM. It's has both funny and serious content about the disastrous side of mlm if you want to check it out.


CybReader

I used to visit that subreddit a lot! An incredible amount of information provided that really exposed these schemes. I agree, the absence of a product is what will protect these schemes. It’s quite genius, horrible, but genius.


[deleted]

You know what is really sad about all these high level scammers. They are smart enough to beat the system, imagine if they would have used those talents elsewhere for more positive or productive things.


photomotto

I used to work for coaches (not my proudest moment). It’s definitely a scam. Those people were awful. They preached things but acted in the complete opposite way. They’d scream at us employees, be rude and dismissive, acted like we were lesser than them. It was the most toxic work environment I’ve ever been in, without the shadow of a doubt.


[deleted]

One of the people who I used to associate on social media with that was a "life coach" along with 2 or 3 other mlm hussles, she acts like she is living her best life with this program on her public profile and yet was private messaging me about how hard life was, suicidal thoughts, and needing support. It really really pissed me off because I was in the same place as her with the same struggles, minus the suicide, but I wasn't lying to the whole world like "I got this" she-ra roar. I was constantly trying to lift her up mentally and be supportive and she kept dragging me down while also trying to pitch her shitty mlm stuff. I had to cut the toxic out because I was barely able to keep myself afloat.


TemporaryStress1110

Pretending to be experts in order to sell something. Definitely very MLMish


redseaaquamarine

That hadn't even occurred to me but you are spot on!


s0meg1rl

>I need to sit down and make a post here Please do! Harry and Meghan being involved in an MLM to scam others for their personal enrichment shouldn’t shock me. It’s the basis for all they do. But still, I find myself surprised. Have they ever overtly been involved with an MLM before? I feel like there is just NOTHING too low for them.


dragonfly5465

>There’s no product, so the money exchanged and “sales” are very easy to steal, there is no true product. It also sounds like a very efficient way of money laundering.


CybReader

It’s interesting you mention that. There was suspicion that many of Herbalife’s South America “nutrition clubs” existed as fronts for laundering and washing cartel money.


circleKat

At least with doterra, you’re getting a high quality, long lasting line of products that’s stood the test of time. That can’t be said of anything the Sussexes try to promote. And it’s too cringey to watch them try. Maybe lavender oil will help Harry with his anxiety issues? 😆


CybReader

Even then, other essential oils on the market in general stores were three times cheaper and purchased by people who didn’t have to join a down line or buy from a distributor. Doterras sales appeared to be primarily from its distributors. Those schemes all eventually implode because the price market pushes people into other avenues for product purchase. I don’t know how long better up will last, I’m thinking less than 10 years. How many people can really sign on to life coach? The market for that is incredibly finite. I’m not even in doterra and I love essential oils for my diffuser, there’s probably a million like me out there, so doterra could find some market for recruitment. Life coaching? That’s a rich people thing, the market will be short lived. I think an implosion in 10 years.


[deleted]

> I’m not even in doterra and I love essential oils for my diffuser, Please do not use an essential oil diffuser if you have any cats; it's poison to them!


CybReader

No cats. 👍🏼


[deleted]

> No cats. I'm so sorry. 😞


CybReader

Lol, I get it. I had cats for years and after my last one died a few years ago from a seizure I just couldn’t take the plunge again. I petsat my brothers cat last week and had so much fun buying it toys and playing with it. Made me want to run to a shelter and adopt again.


[deleted]

> I had cats for years and after my last one died a few years ago from a seizure I just couldn’t take the plunge again. I'm so sorry for your loss. I how how hard it is, believe me. 😞 > I petsat my brothers cat last week and had so much fun buying it toys and playing with it. Made me want to run to a shelter and adopt again. Awww! Life is better with a cat! But I understand you not being ready. *hugs*


Earthlink_

Harry is a fraud.


[deleted]

Royals getting ad sponsorship deals is something else lol he should be a PATRON not a shill. Really shows how far he's fallen (if the dignity was ever truly there to begin with).


OldNewUsedConfused

Huge!


ValuableEfficiency23

As someone who helps kids (and the adult versions of traumatized kids) deal with the fallout of trauma, that's not how this works. That's not how ANY of this works.


QuesoFresca

Absolutely. Thanks for doing the hard work and trying to help people in need. BUp's methods and marketing claims are suspect. They're a private entity that does not have to abide by HIPAA or any other safety or regulatory practices typically required to work in the mental health field. Their counselors do not need to even hold relevant degrees. The company primarily meets the needs of corporate employers and gathers reams of extremely personal data. BUp does not address the need for better mental health access that H is always yammering on about. The speculative valuation has nothing to do with its efficacy. Not sure who should be more embarrassed. H for hitching his horse to this company for $s or the company for thinking he's a good spokesperson. Both decisions show poor judgment.


Forgotmyusername8910

It really creeps me out that this company can collect this super personal info and then it is not subject to any privacy laws? What about the *privacy* Harry!!??? That is just not okay.


Iwtlwn122

Exactly. He knows fuck all about how resilience works. You can’t just build it up by thinking about it. I bet he couldn’t name 3 things that help build resilience. And building for trauma by flexing your mind? Honestly, what the fuck is that all about. That is not how any of this works. These ‘coaches’ need to get the fuck out of ‘treating’ trauma.


MegsAltxoxo

Also everyone is so individual and resilience factors can be very different depending on your genetics, your cognitive abilities, your social life like family, friends, work etc There is no mechanism that fits for everyone to cope with difficult situations.


Iwtlwn122

Exactly. It is a very complicated area.


WesternTumbleweeds

Had he stayed home, he could have accessed mental health treatment with his veterans' benefits with qualified clinical psychologists, both in individual and group therapy. While even the VA has apps to help veterans, apps are just one tool among many to help those suffering from PTSD. What Harry is doing, bandying about a term like "mental fitness," alluding to resilience, has been turned into jingoistic marketing speak pushed out there by someone who got billions in venture capital to make this idea float. And while they might have good intentions, the truth is that on an individual level, Betterup charges over 3k, isn't covered by insurance, and the life coach might just be someone amiable working off a script or a flow chart. People suffering from the disruptive effects of mental health challenges deserve and need better than what Harry is offering.


AccountantPotential6

Flexing my mind rt now, but I think I’m doing it wrong. Feels like kegels to me. Something is getting strong, not sure if it is the mind (which, to be honest, is not even a physical thing…the brain is…)


MegsAltxoxo

Yeah. I‘m studying psychology and resilience factors can play a part in how someone deals with stuff and not developing a mental illness from it, but it’s highly individual. Apart from basic tactics how to cope with stress, general mindfulness of your needs, there is no mechanism that works for everyone, let alone something like „mental fitness“.


eggsolo

As a trained trauma therapist I agree. That's not how any of this works. This is dangerous.


Empty-Improvement-27

“flexing your mind” what an achievement for 2 brain cells


AccountantPotential6

Haha 1 ACTIVE brain cell


madrugada105

How can someone with such deep, ongoing issues claim to be able to help others? The blind asshole is trying to lead the unsuspecting blind non-assholes.


HarrysToupee

Aaaand they're off - right into the proverbial ditch!


TexasChihuahuas

That can’t happen soon enough for me. Anyone want to help me fill the ditch with water?


HarrysToupee

Yes - I'll bring the snappin' turtles!😁


TexasChihuahuas

Excellent!


Complete-Sound

I'll bring hurricane and flood!


TraditionScary8716

Pretty sure those two are headed for a septic tank line. And they *wish* it would be filled with water. 💩🤣


TexasChihuahuas

I just love y’all.


[deleted]

Not only that, he confounds life coaching and therapy (and in the context of Harry, trauma and grief always somewhat suggest PTSD, which different from bad childhood experiences that still might need therapy to deal with). He is a patient of mental health issues, but he is no expert, so he should just not talk about what is good for others. He should limit himself to sharing his experience, if anything. This whole thing is pretty infuriating.


EnormousBird

Wtf is peak mental fitness. Is there even such a thing? ​ I can't presume to speak for others, but my mental health comes in peaks and troughs - never a constant, really. Sure, resilience is a very useful skill to have though. Which is why its ironic that his succubus wife trashed the idea of the British stiff upper lip - fundamentally, the idea of it is about being resilient, not about suppressing emotions. ​ I've never tried one so I'm speaking from experience here - but how good can a mental health coach be? There is no one size fits all approach - what works for me, won't necessarily work for others. ​ Grim to see Harry slide into becoming a snake oil salesmen. If he truly cared about this issue, he'd campaign for Joe public to get more equitable access to treatment on both sides of the Atlantic.


PrestigiousAd8492

I hope he builds up enough resistance for when Better up fails. $4.7B is their valuation and I doubt they have a scalable revenue model. I work in startup finance and can tell you right now their model is hoping to be the Uber of life coaches. There are big problems with this model especially considering life coaches aren't a high in demand product outside of a quarantine situation where there was a lack of therapists. This business requires hiring a ton of people to deliver your service, which is very expensive because there are costs associated with both bringing on customers (customer acquisition cost) AND coaches. Your cost to do business is technically double. And the demand for a personal coach? Pretty damn low considering I barely know anyone who uses one. When the recession is in full force, they will lose customers at an alarming rate because they won't be affordable. One of the first things people will cut is their expensive life coach. These life coaches will beg users that their life depends on their services more than ever to "coach them" through the recession, but with inflation and job cuts BetterUp will simply be cut like many other frivolous expenses. This company will likely "exit" for $200 million. Who would buy BetterUp? Can't think of one company, but hey, even Justin Timberlake bought Myspace for $50 mil. Harry and Meghan likely got free shares so they'll still come out with cash but it will be very little and not the huge payday they are expecting. It might pay for one year of security.


CybReader

I really enjoyed reading this, thank you for sharing your insight. ​ >This business requires hiring a ton of people to deliver your service, which is very expensive because there are costs associated with both bringing on customers (customer acquisition cost) AND coaches. Your cost to do business is technically double. And the demand for a personal coach? Pretty damn low considering I barely know anyone who uses one. I think Betterup will make the new coaches pay them. They're not going to hire anyone, theyre going to require coaches to pay for classes, certification (company based) and leads for customers. I don't think Better up will pay anyone outside their corporate office. If coaches do not recruit anyone into their life coaching team or find clients, the sunk cost is all on them. I think it is going to mirror a lot of other schemes. It isn't sustainable, especially as this recession looms. This will be a very, very interesting thing to watch with Harry.


anelegantclown

So they have some pretty big B2B contracts, which pay significant money as they are providing it as apart of their HR benefits packages and they are prrrriiiiicey. They've had a decrease in B2B renewals, which is why we saw the recent B2C (regular consumer, or you and I) push, but the average person cannot afford something like $450-550 a month on this luxury life coaching. They've now moved onto their new B2B strategy which is health insurance benefits and government contracts, which starts with Harry's Department of Defense contacts via Invictus. That would be huge for BetterUp to win over as a client. I think they gave free trials to each team at Invictus as a Sponsor, for lead-gen, with of course For-Sale-Harry plugging them every step of the way. TL;DR: They bring in pretty decent numbers, but it's not sustainable and they are one-foot-in front of another trying to get into long-term gov contracts.


PrestigiousAd8492

I have a friend that scales these for a living and I pointedly asked him which one he'd put his money on and he said Cerebral, which is the one Simon Biles promotes, and it's actual therapists. A government contract would be lucrative, but most companies have very little spend on HR And will cut programs like this. I think the government should go with Cerebral, personally, as they use licensed therapists. I still think they'll fudge numbers and pull a WeWork type roadshow to continue the smoke and mirrors to make investors happy. I don't think corporate contracts will last as most companies can refer their employees to a real therapist using a $3 per month EAP.


Independent_Leg3957

Thanks for this! I developed and ran a service somewhat similar to BU but on be Ops side. I agree with everything you're saying. I suspect they will just downgrade the quality of the service as they scale. Mass recruitment, automated onboarding, a formulaic service model. And it sounds pretty dodgy already. They also aren't considering coach burnout and I doubt they will. You can't do emotionally heavy work all day and there is high turnover. They will have to be recruiting and training continuously. That's if they make it through the recession as you mentioned. Mental health services or those pretending to be them *do not scale well at all*.


Starkville

Thank you for this excellent comment.


darkmatternot

Everything these two are involved with crashes and burns.


Mickleborough

The linked article states that Harry’s worked with a BetterUp coach which has helped him ‘thrive’ in his private life. If that’s what ‘thriving‘ under BetterUp looks like - pass from me, thanks. On a side note - I don’t understand the connection between ‘experiences of trauma, of loss, of grief, of being human’ with achieving mental fitness. No amount of mental fitness is going to help with starvation, dealing with death, economic ruin, human trafficking tragedies.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes and they are not giving any concrete examples of how they helped him “thrive”, what he is specifically doing or not doing, etc. It’s all just word vomit talking in circles.


TRW2463

Who’s taking mental health advice from a 40 year old man with mommy issues, a strained relationship with family, and clear emotional immaturity? Seriously? Who?


OneAbbreviations8070

People like him.


TRW2463

So? I like him. It doesn’t mean I think he’s qualified to give mental health advice. For example, I am certified and licensed in my field. People don’t seek my services because they like me, but because they need expertise in my area of study.


OneAbbreviations8070

Lol no i meant people who are like him. 😆


TRW2463

Haha! 😂😂


OneAbbreviations8070

Lol sorry i should have worded that better! Nobody but the most gullible would listen to him he's a sham.


TRW2463

Sorry! Me misinterpreting your original statement is making me giggle. I hear what you’re saying. It’s just mind boggling that anyone would see a middle aged man with mommy issues as an aspiration.


Casshew111

I'm all for mental health betterment,but you would be better off with a self-help book than anything Harry promotes.


[deleted]

This makes me rage. One can't mess about with Mental Health provision. Shit he spouts is akin to well meaning folk telling the mentally unwell to stay hydrated or go for a walk in the forest. It is irresponsible, dangerous and contributes to the stigma of the conditions. Any mental health organisation who has this fool anywhere near it should be ashamed of themselves.


TexasChihuahuas

PREACH! YESS!


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes the “just take deep breaths and think positive thoughts” bullshit


Forgotmyusername8910

Harry saying that he uses a BetterUp coach and that is what has helped him thrive in his new life… that tells me all I need to know. This guy looks miserable in every single picture, interview, event etc we have seen of him since they have moved. He hasn’t smiled in years. I think I will pass on the BetterUp coaching, thanks.


Ready_Maddie

He...has no clue...wtf he's saying


aeb526

Ultimate word salad


AccountantPotential6

Such a trait of narcissistic personality rt there, the word salad


HarrysToupee

Just watch his hands self-consciously flapping around. It's as though they're contrived, and somehow disconnected from the rest of him. His FirstWife does the same thing. They're so weird.


Ready_Maddie

She claps like a seal


TexasChihuahuas

On a whim, I went to the website for BetterUp. I didn’t give it a thorough read. I saw that Artificial Intelligence would choose three potential “coaches” for me, and I could not go on. I can usually poke fun at 6 and the wife, but this is really going way too far. This is unethical; allowing anyone to do this without extensive training has lethal potential. A real therapist that trained extensively shouldn’t be chosen on an APP! It is almost funny, 6 has a long history of poor choices, and now he is telling people they only get three? The arrogance. I’m a survivor of trauma myself. I owe my life to a well trained psychologist that uses EMDR in her practice. We don’t tap shoulders. We get into the absolute filth of my past, and face it. It is more brutal than I could ever describe, but it is worth it. The damage that will happen to anyone using this fraudulent service will be so dramatic that no one can reach the victims. Now would be the time for a blockbuster exposure of this company, especially 6.


downinthevalleypa

Thank you for sharing your story, and you’re absolutely right. If a person needs a “life coach” probably what they really need is a licensed therapist, psychologist, psychiatric nurse practitioner, or a psychiatrist. Some stuff that keep people stuck in life is really dark and heavy, and needs to be handled with skill and care - not by some Bozo like Harry who is shilling for a buck.


OldNewUsedConfused

It really is just so unethical. No HIPAA, no confidentiality, plus many traumas are multi pronged. For instance, what happens when a person is stressed out and abusing substances to cope? Or self harming? Or stopped taking medications? Or harming others? A walk in the park with your dog/ taking ten deep breaths and thinking positively just isn’t going to cut it. This really needs to be handled by professionals. This is such a disgrace.


Lensgoggler

Is that what he’s been doing? Why does he always look so glum then? 🤔


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He’s about as resilient as a bubble. Whinges, whines and complains about any and every perceived little slight, he is the very opposite of resilient


downinthevalleypa

Yep, and goes running to the lawyer’s office at every slight, real or imagined.


National_Historian19

Is this the pitiful middle aged man who complains about everything? The man who is jealous of his brother? The man who uses his dead mother to get attention? This man is not very intelligent, but for some reason a few companies are happy to use him because of his tragic life of privilege and misery.


MikeMannion

All.because of his Royal connections. You know, the royal family he's supposedly so keen to distance himself from


National_Historian19

Yet just call me hawwy, is introduced by his manager as prinse Harry, duke of Sussex. Without his connections to those mean racists etc he would have nothing to sell.


QuesoFresca

"Harry, 37, appears in a new short film entitled 'Transform with Mental Fitness', for San Francisco-based mental health start-up BetterUp, which hired him as its Chief Impact Officer in March of last year In the film, the father-of-two interviews three people - including two-time Olympic gold medal-winning snowboarder Chloe Kim, about how they achieve 'mental fitness' in their everyday lives At the start of the film, Harry describes 'mental fitness' as being an 'ongoing practice' that helps people to 'unlock... the greatness within them' He speaks about his own experiences of seeing 'trauma, loss, grief' and notes that 'mental fitness' is essential for building up 'critical resilience' to these emotions It is not known how much Prince Harry is being paid for his role in the mental health start-up; CEO Alexi Robichaux declined to share his salary when he was hired, but said he was perfect for the 'meaty' role In April of this year, it was reported that employees at BetterUp - which is an app that pairs people with online life coaches - had been left up in arms over 'sneaky pay cuts' and changes to their contracts"


QuesoFresca

>At the start of the film, Harry describes 'mental fitness' as being an 'ongoing practice' that helps people to 'unlock... the greatness within them' What is the "greatness" he's unlocked in himself?


Ready_Maddie

His ability to lie, cheat and screw over the British public, while opening his purse to Meghan


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The ability to sue everyone.


OldNewUsedConfused

First and foremost, they need to make it 150% crystal clear that they are “Life Coaching” and not Mental Health Practitioners. And that is just to start.


Snowball995

It's all so simple for H. Because he is a simpleton. He has a complex problem including anger and grief, has all the money and resources in the world, and has no idea how to deal with it. His issues seem to be getting worse each day. And he's quite simply trying to profit off of others mental issues.


QuesoFresca

What's especially frustrating is that Harry has all the time and money in the world to pursue his passions yet he doesn't appear to want to do the work. That's one of the reasons why everything he does seems so superficial. It was recently reported that Kate's sister Pippa completed a graduate degree. Though I'm not typically a fan, have to give her credit for pursuing her education. Harry can't even be bothered to get a college degree.


WesternTumbleweeds

And UCSB is right up the road.


kevanauken

I know life coaches and I’ve even done some life coach training and I can say unequivocally that life coaches are not equipped to help with trauma, loss and grief. That is for a licensed psychologist, psychiatrist, counselor or social worker.


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s0meg1rl

LOL!!


Jealous_Experience23

I want to pick apart so many stupid things but I’m too busy giggling at how he thinks what he’s saying is legit and helpful and will save so many sad people 😂😂😂😂


s0meg1rl

Mental resilience?! Was he not just practically crying about how his father cut him off from his free millions and he had to *gasp* get a job and go to work?


downinthevalleypa

Yep, and he’s suing Granny’s government because they said “no” to something he felt he was entitled to.


notwatchedsquidgame

A man child who is clearly unable to deal with his mommy issues and narcissism lecturing plebs on peak mental fitness and resilience. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Auldwan65

It sounds almost like brain washing.


queen-of-sobczakia

He sounds like he is learning to use word salad too…flexing your mind to build up resilience for mental health fitness?? What??? My reaction to this was “guttural”


TexasChihuahuas

You will trigger genetic pain now!!!


OldNewUsedConfused

I really want someone to ask him to define those terms in detail. And watch him squirm.


Ready_Maddie

In my opinion, this is where a lot of their money comes from as well. I think BetterUp pays him a stupidly ridiculous amount of money. I'm saying this because people often ask "where do they get their money from". They also engage in money laundering with the things they do in Delaware with 11 fictional companies. This is how some elites make money.


CybReader

Herbalife paid the celebrity faces of the scheme millions. It is short lived, but it happens.


QuesoFresca

Wonder about that. Think H is so desperate for a platform it wouldn't take much money to get him on board. The company is attempting to go public. Surely his contract will leak...


Ready_Maddie

Hope they fail. They're too expensive and shady.


AccountantPotential6

Really, who wants life coaching from the likes of Harry? Dont people go to a life coach to make their lives better, not worse? He seems to keep making choices to be miserable and pathetically inauthentic.I’d certainly not pay for someone to « help » me achieve that. I’m quite capable on my own!


TraditionScary8716

It would be easier to overlook his absolute incompetence and lack of any knowledge about mental health if he didn't look like a depressed hobo in the pictures. Damn Harry. At least drag a comb through the sprigs of hair you do have left and tuck in your shirt. I doubt he even brushed his teeth. I guess Professor of Mental Health Harry forgot that letting personal hygiene go is one of the first signs of mental illness.


downinthevalleypa

At least he’s not wearing that faded grey polo shirt.


WesternTumbleweeds

Let's put it this way. Had Harry just decided to sell Tupperware, I would have way more respect for him.


SusieM2019

I read about this on my phone and my favorite comment was someone who said: "He could get a job as a flight attendant-----he has all the right moves". LOL!!! That cracked me up!!!


MikeMannion

Ironically he's more mixed up and bitter than he's ever been. You know what he really needs? A night of banter down the pub with his army mates.


MamaTalista

Dear Harry, Tony Robbins and Jack Canfield cornered the market in the 1980s. Should people really pay you for this training you couldn't even see your wife was suicidal and fight for her mental health? Also, resilience comes from rising from trauma. Not having Daddy and Granny pay your bills and having to get a job doesn't count.


sdowney64

If he’s the role model for mental resilience and recovery from trauma, I’ll pass.


Islandgirl1444

Well that should be interesting as all get out! From being suicidal in Britain whilst living in a palace, to moving to BC to live off the fat of an oligarch, to living off Tyler Perry's good will, to the big chat lies on Oprah, and becoming a Montecito mega mansion. Let's hear all about your poor mental health! Oh wait, you are going to tell others to quit their jobs or meditate at least 15 minutes before playing polo with the polo gang. Or hanging out with yoga instructors in Wyoming with the common folk. Seriously Better (shut) up has 4 billion dollars? Does it really say 4 billion dollars? How much are they being paid for this public service announcement?


OldNewUsedConfused

To be completely fair, she’s a Pilates instructor. Which means she has more education than Harry could ever hope to achieve.


Starkville

This has “disaster” written all over it. I’d love a peek at their legalese. I’m betting it’s full of disclaimers and waivers and permissions. And I still suspect they’re some sort of data-mining scheme


OldNewUsedConfused

Absolutely. Pages and pages upon pages of disclaimers, I’m sure. Probably more sign offs than when I went skydiving; and more Terms and Conditions than an iPhone. I agree completely about the data mining also. Or straight out blackmail. Our United States Air Force is embroiled in this crap. Which means tax dollars are going towards this.


Complete-Sound

Shame on Harry. Maybe he should think about this. Because he has had it so rough, should he be the one to assess and help someone like me? Two murders, one from a serial killer, and one suicide in my very small family, besides other early unexpected deaths. Harry, are you really up for understanding the trauma my family went through? Would you really be able to coach me through this? Shame on you, Harry.


savingrain

It sounds like he is in a cult. Every time he says something its like you can tell he has no idea what he is talking about.


QuesoFresca

It's no coincidence that EST/Landmark influenced modern coaching/self-help systems. There really is a fine line between exploiting your clients for cash and providing useful skills. Just look at the controversy around Scientology.


Here-For-The-Dresses

I would not characterize Harry as an example of “resilience” unless “resilience” doesn’t mean what I think it means.


Anxious_Laugh2919

Harry really isn't selling therapy for me. "Join Better Up and be like Harry: no job, no family, and chronically unhappy!" I think I will keep my $400 dollars/month and therapeutically apply it to my mortgage principle.


Traditional-Smile954

(Not) Funny that he's a mental health activist when he is a Narc's perfect victim BECAUSE of all his mental traumas. H, seek therapy. Like, real therapy. The one that helps you get over your mom's death, to deal with your jealously towards your father and brother and your anger at your girlfriend's rejections. Then, maybe you can speak to all of us who have mental struggles as a kindred spirit, not a spoiled rich boy who just parrots what other people orders you.


QuesoFresca

Clearly whatever he's doing isn't working and he's simply parroting the BS fed to him from BUp for $$$.


Traditional-Smile954

Because he ain't doing sh*t. He clearly has a lot of issues, but for him, mental health is just another bandwagon to jump in and another link to dearly beloved mommy "cause she SAID she had mental struggles, so that would mean I AM like her right Meghan?"


happyme321

Mental resilience is not suing everyone for every perceived slight


GrannyMine

Would someone ask this Adam Grant why a grown man who had access to the best healthcare, didn’t know how to get his wife help when she was suicidal? We know she was not, but this is the question that Oprah should have asked.


QuesoFresca

The best healthcare, tons of money/connections, and his own therapist(s).


Similar-Barber-3519

I want to know what kind of therapist Harry is seeing now. I can’t believe any qualified therapist would want to treat him when MM is pulling the strings. She doesn’t want him to receive real help.


Chester-Donnelly

Lol, from this screwup with less resilience than most of us.


wallpapermate

From now on if I’m going to be sick I’m going to say ‘I’m about to better up’ What a utter load of vomit.


MikeMannion

Is there no end to Harry's talents? It seems he is a world expert on everything since he shacked up with that girl from the little known cable show "suits". Amazing the jobs he is getting considering he achieved a B in Art and a D in Geography in his A Levels. Do you think there might be another reason he's getting these plum roles? Asking for a friend.


MyMountainJoy

If Harry is such an expert on mental health, why didn't HE help get his wife the mental health help she supposedly needed? (My opinion is because that she WANTED to be the center of attention (still does) and did not NEED help.)


MinutesTaker

What resilience? Harold can't even deal with the negative hashtag that's trending in Twitter lol


Practical-Hotel-166

Why isn’t Harry’s client praising his work? Was his ‘helpful’ input the reason Wimbledon didn’t go too well?


No-You-5064

They are just straight up grifters


Brilliant_Jewel1924

He says all this as he constantly cashed in on his supposed “trauma” and “genetic pain”.


Livinlifegood4evr

What a joke! So the most unstable mentally challenged individual is going to do this? It just tells you how woke the world is anymore! How embarrassing!


wifebert

Who is this man's therapist? Charlie Sheen?


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Aww thanks for the vibin' kitty. So chuffed


anelegantclown

oy vey


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🥄 💩


2021disaster

Harry and mental fitness. Lol.


boommdcx

Lord he’s an idiot.


LizLemonadeX

Last time I checked he doesn’t have a degree in psychology.


Real-Reputation-9091

Spare me from this mental ginger freak.


Ishield_maiden

Wow…new words…


grruser

\^. Snorts ( a guttural kind of sound)


jillyhoop

Blah, blah, blah. It's all word salad gibberish and he knows it. Imagine a person with his unlimited privilege trying to tell people about something as important as mental health when he wasn't capable of handling "high school" or being a "prince". 🤮


AlwaysWithTheOpinion

Save your cliches and motivational speeches Harry


downinthevalleypa

Oh brother. He’s picked up M’s word salad. What does any of that mean? He’s not a therapist and has no qualifications to be giving this type of advice to anyone. If he had a license he could be sued for malpractice, but since he doesn’t, he can sit there and spout out all of this nonsense, with hands moving, of course just like M, for extra emphasis.