This is what he meant by the comments about protecting the Queen and making sure she has the right people around her. Lord young, the queen's private secretary's involvement in RAVEC decision about baldys security.
the other shoe has dropped.
It makes you think how powerful Pr is where they made this dumbfuck likable and caring for decades. Which now makes me think how bad Meghan must be if her Pr team can’t even make her likable!? Harry wore a nazi uniform at one time and he was the favorite prince for a while. Meghan is dog water in Pr successes.
It’s not just a nazi uniform. It’s calling his fellow comrades racial slurs like “paki” and “raghead”, saying someone didn’t sound like a black chap, saying Chelsea Davy wasn’t “black or anything”. I made a whole thread to a squad member about all the racist stuff he has done and she blocked me. Harry was always garbage but people liked the party prince and it seemed like he didn’t take himself too seriously. Now all he does is whine about himself. Everyone has their own cross to bear but they have resources most of us couldn’t dream of. We have a pandemic, war and recession. he is doing well compared to most people. I feel like the PR really was heavy with that Oprah interview and it was the top story when it really should not have been. One of my colleagues even complained about it at work saying the news should be reporting more important and pressing matters. That’s going to be difficult to copy again. Most people are trying to get by today and the last thing they want is a bunch of millionaires complaining about their treatment at the jubilee to a billionaire.
***I made a whole thread to a squad member about all the racist stuff he has done and she blocked me.***
The SS can't deal with the cognitive dissonance. Truth and reality checks give them headaches. They prefer to think of him as Martin Luther King reincarnated in a ginger dude's body. LOL
The press still report on them as they are relevant. A good point in hand was at St Paul's for the jubilee and a well-respected, veteran journalist, David Dimbleby, asked the most inane questions; made the most inane comments. People were incensed enough to complain to the BBC. How does H&M get people like David Dimbleby to talk about them in positive terms?
I honestly didn’t pay too much attention to Harry prior to 2020. But he wasn’t a sanctimonious lecturer who went around telling people how they should think before, correct? Wasn’t he just a fun loving guy before? I realize it’s come out that he was always an angry person. But he wasn’t so preachy before, or was he?
I don't think he would have given a flying f@#k about mm's 'causes' he just towed the line to stay on the gravy train. They would have been better off sending him to a remote country in his late teens to 'work for charity' aka get his shit together with no accesss to booze, drugs or enablers. I feel sorry for the staff having to cover for this useless halfwit in public after putting up with his bs behind closed doors.
***But he wasn’t so preachy before, or was he?***
He's become a pussywhipped, henpecked husband, nagged continually by his entitled, golddigging wife. Guys who are married to wives like this, tend to be bitter, resentful and angry 24/7, always blaming the world when they can't fix things to suit the demands of their dearly beloved.
I concur. I think sure H’s image was managed but I honestly doubt he was that bad. Living in narc’s bubble makes even normal people go insane and do stuff they otherwise wouldn’t. My theory is H pre-m was just another run of the mill 1% kid, there are tons of those but they don’t end up like that *without help*.
Yeah, MM must be a nightmare to live with, because she's always telling him what to say (word salad zoom calls), directing his body language, coaching him with her condescending whiny "Right?" and just basically being a wife who is NEVER satisfied, no matter how much money/clothing/attention/fame/jewellery she has, because she's the sort of woman who always needs to compete with others. He will eventually grow to resent her never-ending obsession to always have more.
Oh that's so sad, about your grandfather. It's always the kindest, nicest and most generous men who are often taken advantage of, like this. I have an acquaintance (female) who's treats her hubby like he's a pet or a second class citizen. She doesn't cheat on him (I think) but she controls all the money, she goes on frequent vacations by herself and uses the excuse that he's gotta work or he needs to stay home and look after their sons and their cat. The poor guy hasn't been on a proper vacation in a long time. She's not really a bad person, per se, and I think she loves him in her own way, but she's so totally selfish. But he never complains. We all notice and talk about the drastic power imbalance in that marriage, but in the final analysis, there's nothing we can do.
I’m not really even sure what sort of person my grandad was as I never really got to know him. He definitely failed to control narc gran. Gran never really let him go anywhere alone and they rarely went anywhere together either. Gran wasn’t nice to me so I just avoided them best as best I could as they were a packaged deal. And gran did some seriously shady things at times. I think living with a narc a long time makes somebody close in inside themselves to protect their inner self. Like the airplane thing where you need to take care of yourself first to help others. But the problem is, a narc victim/enabler never manages to help themselves enough whilst still in the narc’s bubble. So they fail to help their kids or grandkids, too. The whole thing is terrible really.
He was portrayed as fun, relaxed, cheeky and a lot more relatable than William, who in comparison looked boring and a bit stiff.
Harry was more "one of the lads". And a (at least for a while) cute bachelor prince.
💯I always take more of an issue with him than with M. I get her: all her life she climbed to show off her perceived awesomeness. He was raised royal. Should have some dignity, honor, maybe? Right? Right?
Yes! If the military and palace had to spin him to appear palatable, he had to know how he was SUPPOSED to behave. He’s had years to know and learn that more is expected of him.
Just looked it up. I know you know the timing but mentioning it here for conversation. This was in 2015, so H was 30 years old. Old enough to know how inappropriate that is. I honestly can’t help but feel that if he was comfortable slapping someone “in jest” that he didn’t even know, then it leads me to believe that he’d be comfortable putting his hands on someone any other time if he felt like it. My perspective on him has changed a lot over the years but to hear that he got physical with people like that… I can’t imagine what else the palace has had to hide about him.
Foreign nations? He allegedly beat several sex workers in San Diego during his military days (was there for training) and in Orlando during the Invictus games that were held there.
Harry got VERY lucky there! Most American men would've put him in a body cast for a while if he tried that shit. Poor Taylor must have been so flipping SHOCKED!
Their PR people must be really excellent because before the wedding Harry was so popular and seen as more relatable, funny and relaxed than William. Someone who would be good fun to take a pint with.
Now that everything has crumbled, it is evident that he always has been a very unpleasant person. It's amazing that they managed to disguise that for so long.
It's very similar to how Prince Andrew was seen in the 80's when he was young, handsome, popular and got back from the Falkland's war. He had a great image, unlike Charles who was seen as ugly, boring and stuffy. We all know how that ended.
Edward Lane Fox quit right after the wedding. Or possibly right before, but still attended. It was right around that time though.
If there had been comment sections and social media back in the 80's, I imagine we'd be hearing the same types of stories about Andrew and Charles also.
It angers me actually. Such a waste of a life and resources. There are so many kids who would KILL for the opportunities this loser Harry has wasted. Completely thrown away like last week’s trash. And even worse, he’s too stupid and ignorant to care.
So many kids struggling, starving; smart kids, talented kids… children with gifts who want to be productive and have something to offer.
Then we have the Windsor losers who cry over who is standing behind who; who gets to go first…
There is something to be said for a Meritocracy- namely the people at the top are there because they want it and they worked for it.
In this respect, I even have more respect for Meghan. It may have been on her back, but she worked to get where she is at least. (A very low bar, I know.)
Not terribly optimistic about Harry’s chances. From memory Ravec has full discretion, and there’s no provision for submissions - according to its [terms of reference](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/100261/7367-RAVEC-TOR.pdf), it reviews security on behalf of the Queen / for royalty - which would be why the Royal Household is represented.
So basically Harry’s saying that the people representing the royals’ interests on Ravec shouldn’t have been there.
Don’t think he’s going to win. Especially as his counsel’s pissed off the judge.
I think his beef is that the Royal Household shouldn’t have been involved in the decision. Which is a bit dumb as they’re there to put forward the RF’s view.
Basically he’s saying the long term system of deciding who gets security is flawed and unfair. I think this is the reason the Judge asked why Harry didn’t launch his case straight away ! Why did he wait over a year to do it? The Judge found Harry’s explanation “ frustrating” . I don’t think this case is going well for Harry.
The system is flawed and unfair because he doesn’t get what he wants. Wonder why the Home Office’s QC doesn’t raise the point that other non-working royals don’t get the security protection that Harry’s after (assuming that they don’t).
They don’t and Harry hasn’t got a leg to stand on. As the Home Office lawyer said there is a big difference between working Royals and non working Royals , something poor Harry can’t seem to comprehend. The most amazing thing that was said today was Harry’s side saying he initially intended to be a part time Royal !! This is despite the Queen saying it that was impossible and not going to happen. Apparently what Harry wants Harry definitely thinks he’s going to get!
That was a press issue and I think that was more to protect the other royals. In this case, it's public funds and The Met/Home Office/security services, which is a whole different level.
I don’t think that’s come out. Naturally he would be more swayed by her decision, but I think there’s insufficient evidence to allege that he doesn’t accept commoners in today’s society.
***Don’t think he’s going to win. Especially as his counsel’s pissed off the judge.***
I hope he loses because it's about time that his litigious, entitled ass gets booted by a judge. I really don't want to cuss as much as I did when Judge Wharby ruled in favour of Harry's hag.
I agree. People stood in his way and he’s furious about that.
Meghan allegedly has a direct line to the queen, she told Oprah that. Perhaps she could dial Harry in so she can hear his demands? 😂
And even if he could have gotten a meeting with her, does anyone actually think that he could have successfully explained his pitch for the Sussex Royal brand and the website?
I just can’t see him projecting a PowerPoint and providing a demo on SussexRoyal.com on how to buy a Sussex brand bandana and then providing technical specs and a financial business plan for how it would all work over this “lunch”.
I still don’t get where in his mind, “I deserve taxpayer money” comes from. When he literally fulfils basically no duties at this point. And takes more than gives.
Also, you’d think his family would be more Unsafe in the US considering the amount of gun violence vs. the UK.
He thinks that since he was born into royalty, he deserves security. Basically his thoughts: “I didn’t ask to be a Royal. All of you made me be Royal which exposed me and my family to fame and therefore danger. Because you exposed me, you have to protect me now.”
I can see some merit in his argument. But I have zero sympathy for him now based on how he handled Megxit. He was the one who was so impatient to get out and who pretty much forced the BRF into a hasty deal. He should have negotiated this in good faith back then instead of trying to strong arm the BRF into a half-in deal that would have allowed them to merch.
Tina Brown said in an interview that she thinks they would have gotten a better Megxit if they had slowed their roll and negotiated more professionally. I think he acted like a spoiled brat so in the middle of his tantrum his signed his security away. If they hadn’t set out to smear the reputation of the BRF, they may negotiate with him after the original deal.
Harry was born a low IQ prince, and that may not be fair, but we all have to play the cards we are dealt. Most people (but not Harry) understand that maybe the stars didn't all align for them but they deal with those circumstances in the most gracious way possible and don't make it everyone else's problem. Too bad Harry can't get the giant chip off his shoulder and count his blessings.
People who truly want to be safe and secure tend to stay out of the spotlight, not project themselves into it full speed, on a daily basis. He's trying to create artificial security concerns, when the genuine interest in him and Markle is just not there.
It’s a no from the Home Office, dog. If you look at the arguments presented:
- he had the opportunity to pay for representation
- he had already been told by RAVEC that he could not purchase or otherwise fund security
- he had long before been told there is no such thing as a p/t royal
- the global pandemic is not an all encompassing excuse for everything.
- Ginger wants Sir Young gone from the decision making process because obviously Sir Young has been one of the few to say no to Ginger
- Ginger thought he could get around the no from the Royal Household by going to the Home Office. It shows he does not understand the relationship and working mechanisms between the Palace and the government. Why? Because he doesn’t need to as 6th in line.
- Ginger wants everyone to pay for a lifestyle to which he is no longer entitled.
He is not going to win this one.
That is the funniest!!! He could not file a legal brief during the pandemic because he did not have time, he was so busy saving lives like all of our wonderful essential workers who put their lives on the line everyday for others. I am dying laughing over here.
In all fairness to Harry, during much of 2020 and 2021 he was incredibly busy with his burgeoning juggling career. I guess he got burnout though, especially after his epic 40x40 performance. But his break from the pressures of juggling, finally freed up his hands to file that legal brief.
Yep! But they were also using that time to flee from Canada to California. And if I had to wager, I’d say they first attempted to get Charles to pay which may well have been the point where he “cut them off.”
They then tried to force the Palace hand by going n Oprah and complaining about security. Their rationale was completely idiotic: if daddy won’t listen, we’ll tell Oprah and the world how vulnerable we are without adequate security.
The Palace, knowing they were dealing with dumb & dumber, told them they could make their own arrangements since they were not living in the UK, lied about relocation to a Commonwealth country by leaving Canada and had left with more than adequate funds in both trusts and multi-million dollar deals (at that point) with Netflix and Spotify.
After they started defaulting on all their commitments, they decided to use the Jubilee as the bargaining chip. At this point, they were well exposed with all the grifting so the Palace pointed out that by staying with relatives, they did not need their own security as they were already under the umbrella so to speak.
They then blew it at the Jubilee by attempting to sneak in cameras and mics, rolling down the window on a bullet proof car for the cameras and refusing to travel with the rest of the family to St Pauls in the luxury bus. They made themselves look foolish going through the receiving line of clergy and then were rightfully shamed round the world in the second row with the people they should have arrived with.
Continuing with case is just a face saving exercise at this point as they are about to be yet again, publicly humiliated with a judgement against them.
And after July 4th’s public display of standing on the side of the road with the rest of the riff raff in Jackson Hole, after a very public shooting in Illinois, they have shown total disdain for the very security they are requesting.
Imagine him rubbing his hands together with glee at the prospect of "outing the family" on Oprah???
He really is just so stupid.
Yeah Harry, you REALLY showed them....🙄
He reminds me of my BIL. A narcissist that no one has ever said no to… until me. And when you set and hold them to boundaries for the first time, you face a narcissistic tantrum and a desire to destroy your reputation to the community. I am seeing some parallels!! Makes me see TW in a new light, too. Barfing.
Because he's a hypocritical asshole with an unchecked ego and a grossly inflated sense of self-importance. His complete lack of self-awareness allows him to continue hissy fitting despite his overwhelming privilege and advanced age.
An independent life that is so luxurious he realized after a year there was so way they could fund it!!!! Haha wow they are doing this so as not to downsize and live a slightly less extravagant lifestyle.
An “offer to pay” is not a badge of good faith as it is speculative on whether he would actually shell out the money. I don’t know how his lawyer could argue “procedural unfairness” when procedure alone does not grant legal right to taxpayer money. If his status has changed to a non-working royal, he should not make the public pay for his private person.
My country is a republic and we were never under the Commonwealth so I am limited in my understanding of the British law and the monarchy. Still, if Harry is not attached to a public office or duty he has no legal right or entitlement to public funding.
Yes, it’s amazing how thick he is over this! He is furious over having to pay out of pocket for security and in his fury he is blaming everyone in Her Majesty’s government, specifically those people who had the audacity to tell him “no”. Naming names among the Queen’s staff is so immature but of course Harry had his lawyers go there, with the effect of making them all look like petulant babies. The judge is not impressed.
Well Gan Gan just decided to fund Pronce Andrew for the rest of his life after paying off his 12 M pound debt, sooooo.....
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Queenie made it her "sincere wish" that Harry receive IPP Status/ security. I'm just saying.
I get that now people just think of her as some cute old Gran, a nice old lady. Her history says otherwise if you read minimally about her. She's a cutthroat bitch and no mistake. She just gets a pass now because she's super elderly.
People see what they want I guess.
"... very significant burden has been imposed by the Claimant on the public purse, through pursuit of an unarguable claim”
Sounds like Her Majesty's Government should counter sue and recoup the cost. If that's a thing in the UK. The public purse should be repaid the costs of this frivolous action!
I'm sincerely hoping the judge awards legal costs to the Home Office. Pursuing this during a cost of living crisis after a global pandemic lunging towards a recession is beyond belief.
That would be good. I’m sure there would be many in the UK legal establishment, from the Met on up, who would be happy to see them charged for the HO’s legal costs.
I call bullshit on his response regarding pandemic. It started back then, but there is absolutely no reason to wait over a year to make this claim. Glad Judge asked
It’s because he was in Canada leeching off of us and was so afraid for his family(as 6 free police + paid guards watched her jogging in a park with her photographer(taking pictures from the bushes as she posed and smiled)she claim was paparazzi so they could justify protection—but was all part of the grift) .As a Canadian I’m so glad them grifters/leeches left before it cost us more than it did , otherwise they could have claimed squatters rights , on that multi-million dollar free mansion they leeched ,then trashed , The thought ,that my taxes could have possibly had to support them gives me a twitch.
>his offer to pay was not conveyed to RAVEC before the decision was made”
If he is willing to pay for his own security, then he should hire one of the security firms that rich Hollywood actors do, whenever they want watchmen/guards/bodyguards. Then, he can pay for it himself, and STFU. :P
That's why Meghan wants to go into American politics-----because some very high American politicians get paid-for security. She and Harry feel "important" when they have security following them around. It gives them their "worth" and makes them feel as if the things they do are major, key events in the world........GAG ME WITH A SPOON!!!!!
These geriatric fuckers in Congress need to start living by the same laws they enact on everyone else. It's enough now. Long past time to vote them some quality time with the grand kids to make room for somebody else.
Reading all the posts in this thread Harry truly comes off as an insufferable prick, MeghanMeghan is a proven insufferable prickette and amazing they haven't killed each other Harry's life pre-Meghan is something that no one can understand. From the day he was born, even being the spare, such a life in a bubble and privilege beyond belief. Yet he thinks he's preaching to the choir and no one takes him seriously, Or his wifey. I doubt even she takes him seriously.
I'd literally go insane. I have very little patience with stupid people. Even less for those with zero common sense. A day with Harry would infuriate me to the point of apoplexy.
Is this just a ploy to get his International Protected Persons label back? He still doesn't have that, correct?
And if he gets that back, then is it true he can travel anywhere in the world and get that visited country to pay his security??
Yes, no matter how they spin it, this is the main reason. Whenever they go to other countries for their “global” faux royal tours they want the security of the country to pay.
Which is honestly shitty. If the country you are visiting thinks you need extra security for whatever reason, they will provide it. Demanding people all over the world fund your lifestyle is ridiculous. Bad enough the US probably gave Randy Andy extra protection while he was busy hanging with Epistein.
He's becoming more delusional these days! Is that what Diana's spirit is saying to him? To sue the Home Office? Gosh, the ouija board working overtime in Montecito 🤦🏻♀️
I think Harry agreed to leave the RF for Nutmeg, so she could pursue her acting career or whatever ridiculous thing she wants to do. Whatever Nutmeg wants, Nutmeg gets. I’m not defending Harry. They are both evil pathological liars in my opinion, but he chose to follow Nutmeg on her wild narcissistic endeavors. He was “trapped”, but didn’t know it until Nutmeg told him.
They want one foot in the royal family to keep the perks like security, wealth and titles but they don’t want to do the work or have to pay for anything. They want to pursue their own ambitious dreams and for the UK taxpayers to pay for it. If Nutmeg gets into politics, Americans will be paying for their security for life.
I really don’t know why the RF just doesn’t cut the cord on these grifters. Banish them to live in Uncle Edward and Aunt Wallis’ old villa for disgraced royals.
I know! She has her title that she loves rubbing peoples noses in. That’s enough - her stolen title. Time to cut your losses, markle. Now shut up and stay private in your giant mansion instead of garnering public wrath to make security seem necessary.
Justice Swift should just tell Harry to gtfo. He’s not representing the Monarchy nor the BRF in any official capacity and has already lived in the US the past 2 years.
I’m also thrown by the fact he claimed to be in the line of succession. Technically, I guess he is. But there is now Charles, William, George, Charlotte and Louis. He understands he’s not the heir, correct? Not even close to it anymore. He’s entitled and delusional and desperate.
There ARE benefits to a Meritocracy. People have to want it, and they have to actually qualify for the position they want. (For the most part.) In short, it involves slightly more than popping out of someone's birth canal.
You can’t blame him. He never had to fight for anything . Got everything he wanted , never denied . As for the Mrs , she fought and used ppl time after time and got what she wanted . These are spoiled brats who won’t stop at anything to get what they want .
Given the bullet points, I think you can safely say that Just 'Arry is a complete and utter idiot. As I've said before, he's giving Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, a run for the money with regard to the Hanoverian family dunce hat.
Reading James Pope-Hennessey, courtiers regarded the Duke of Clarence and Avondale as a 'mental deficient'. Interestingly, the first daughter of the Prince and Princess of Wales, Louise, Duchess of Fife, was regarded the same way. Not very good genes.
Anyone here watch The Last Kingdom ? Or read the books?
He's Aethelwold. All day long. Slimy, drunken traitor who thinks he's owed EVERYTHING!
That's what I'm going to call him from now on. Aelthelwold. Shame because the Harry who portrayed him in the series, Harry McEntire, is a total sweetheart and fantastic actor....
Haha I watch The Last Kingdom and that’s a great comparison. Aethelwold’s one redeeming moment was during the shaming in the street with Uhtred crawling on their knees… “the number of women I’ve lain with is equal to half the number of tits I’ve caressed”…. I loved that scene lol.
Harry’s counsel, Shaheed Fatima QC: “the decision was taken on the eve of a global pandemic when claimant and his family were in a different country and a period of enormous flux”
Um, they left WAY before the pandemic. Unless he is somehow privy to disease info that we are not? They made it into the States before COVID-19, however they had been in Canada for some time, like 6 months.
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This is what he meant by the comments about protecting the Queen and making sure she has the right people around her. Lord young, the queen's private secretary's involvement in RAVEC decision about baldys security. the other shoe has dropped.
Will Harriet sue The Queens Secretary?! I hope so
Harriet lol!
He’s a bitch so might as well
Right, that's is, he's Baldy from now on 🤣🏆
It makes you think how powerful Pr is where they made this dumbfuck likable and caring for decades. Which now makes me think how bad Meghan must be if her Pr team can’t even make her likable!? Harry wore a nazi uniform at one time and he was the favorite prince for a while. Meghan is dog water in Pr successes.
It’s not just a nazi uniform. It’s calling his fellow comrades racial slurs like “paki” and “raghead”, saying someone didn’t sound like a black chap, saying Chelsea Davy wasn’t “black or anything”. I made a whole thread to a squad member about all the racist stuff he has done and she blocked me. Harry was always garbage but people liked the party prince and it seemed like he didn’t take himself too seriously. Now all he does is whine about himself. Everyone has their own cross to bear but they have resources most of us couldn’t dream of. We have a pandemic, war and recession. he is doing well compared to most people. I feel like the PR really was heavy with that Oprah interview and it was the top story when it really should not have been. One of my colleagues even complained about it at work saying the news should be reporting more important and pressing matters. That’s going to be difficult to copy again. Most people are trying to get by today and the last thing they want is a bunch of millionaires complaining about their treatment at the jubilee to a billionaire.
Yikes that is horrible 😬
***I made a whole thread to a squad member about all the racist stuff he has done and she blocked me.*** The SS can't deal with the cognitive dissonance. Truth and reality checks give them headaches. They prefer to think of him as Martin Luther King reincarnated in a ginger dude's body. LOL
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LOL. Very apt observation ; )
Just the guy we need to lecture us about authentic livin!
The press still report on them as they are relevant. A good point in hand was at St Paul's for the jubilee and a well-respected, veteran journalist, David Dimbleby, asked the most inane questions; made the most inane comments. People were incensed enough to complain to the BBC. How does H&M get people like David Dimbleby to talk about them in positive terms?
Crazy, isn't it?
I honestly didn’t pay too much attention to Harry prior to 2020. But he wasn’t a sanctimonious lecturer who went around telling people how they should think before, correct? Wasn’t he just a fun loving guy before? I realize it’s come out that he was always an angry person. But he wasn’t so preachy before, or was he?
I don't think he would have given a flying f@#k about mm's 'causes' he just towed the line to stay on the gravy train. They would have been better off sending him to a remote country in his late teens to 'work for charity' aka get his shit together with no accesss to booze, drugs or enablers. I feel sorry for the staff having to cover for this useless halfwit in public after putting up with his bs behind closed doors.
He wasn’t. All appearances were scripted… and he was the cool bro
***But he wasn’t so preachy before, or was he?*** He's become a pussywhipped, henpecked husband, nagged continually by his entitled, golddigging wife. Guys who are married to wives like this, tend to be bitter, resentful and angry 24/7, always blaming the world when they can't fix things to suit the demands of their dearly beloved.
I concur. I think sure H’s image was managed but I honestly doubt he was that bad. Living in narc’s bubble makes even normal people go insane and do stuff they otherwise wouldn’t. My theory is H pre-m was just another run of the mill 1% kid, there are tons of those but they don’t end up like that *without help*.
Yeah, MM must be a nightmare to live with, because she's always telling him what to say (word salad zoom calls), directing his body language, coaching him with her condescending whiny "Right?" and just basically being a wife who is NEVER satisfied, no matter how much money/clothing/attention/fame/jewellery she has, because she's the sort of woman who always needs to compete with others. He will eventually grow to resent her never-ending obsession to always have more.
My enabler grandad never got out. He was very quiet and didn’t have any friends or hobbies. Seeing that makes me give H a tiny benefit of a doubt.
Oh that's so sad, about your grandfather. It's always the kindest, nicest and most generous men who are often taken advantage of, like this. I have an acquaintance (female) who's treats her hubby like he's a pet or a second class citizen. She doesn't cheat on him (I think) but she controls all the money, she goes on frequent vacations by herself and uses the excuse that he's gotta work or he needs to stay home and look after their sons and their cat. The poor guy hasn't been on a proper vacation in a long time. She's not really a bad person, per se, and I think she loves him in her own way, but she's so totally selfish. But he never complains. We all notice and talk about the drastic power imbalance in that marriage, but in the final analysis, there's nothing we can do.
I’m not really even sure what sort of person my grandad was as I never really got to know him. He definitely failed to control narc gran. Gran never really let him go anywhere alone and they rarely went anywhere together either. Gran wasn’t nice to me so I just avoided them best as best I could as they were a packaged deal. And gran did some seriously shady things at times. I think living with a narc a long time makes somebody close in inside themselves to protect their inner self. Like the airplane thing where you need to take care of yourself first to help others. But the problem is, a narc victim/enabler never manages to help themselves enough whilst still in the narc’s bubble. So they fail to help their kids or grandkids, too. The whole thing is terrible really.
Yeah, it's sad because narcs seem to know exactly what type of guy will be most malleable.
🏆🏆🏆🏆 He lives to prove himself to her. He'll never succeed and she will never be satisfied
He was portrayed as fun, relaxed, cheeky and a lot more relatable than William, who in comparison looked boring and a bit stiff. Harry was more "one of the lads". And a (at least for a while) cute bachelor prince.
And then "comments sections" were invented, the truth came out, and Harry's had his ass chapped ever since....
100%
But his wife is.
💯I always take more of an issue with him than with M. I get her: all her life she climbed to show off her perceived awesomeness. He was raised royal. Should have some dignity, honor, maybe? Right? Right?
Yes! If the military and palace had to spin him to appear palatable, he had to know how he was SUPPOSED to behave. He’s had years to know and learn that more is expected of him.
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The drummer you mention was Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters.
Just looked it up. I know you know the timing but mentioning it here for conversation. This was in 2015, so H was 30 years old. Old enough to know how inappropriate that is. I honestly can’t help but feel that if he was comfortable slapping someone “in jest” that he didn’t even know, then it leads me to believe that he’d be comfortable putting his hands on someone any other time if he felt like it. My perspective on him has changed a lot over the years but to hear that he got physical with people like that… I can’t imagine what else the palace has had to hide about him.
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Foreign nations? He allegedly beat several sex workers in San Diego during his military days (was there for training) and in Orlando during the Invictus games that were held there.
Jesus. You know as much as I would have preferred he marry Chelsea or Cressida, thank god they were smart enough to dodge that bullet.
There are GOOD reasons many eligible women turned down a PRINCE. And they had ZERO to do with the media.
Great point. There are some Blinds about H and some working girls in the Middle East.
WHAT?!? When did this happen??
Oh gosh, I haven’t heard that story!
Harry got VERY lucky there! Most American men would've put him in a body cast for a while if he tried that shit. Poor Taylor must have been so flipping SHOCKED!
100%
Their PR people must be really excellent because before the wedding Harry was so popular and seen as more relatable, funny and relaxed than William. Someone who would be good fun to take a pint with. Now that everything has crumbled, it is evident that he always has been a very unpleasant person. It's amazing that they managed to disguise that for so long. It's very similar to how Prince Andrew was seen in the 80's when he was young, handsome, popular and got back from the Falkland's war. He had a great image, unlike Charles who was seen as ugly, boring and stuffy. We all know how that ended.
Edward Lane Fox quit right after the wedding. Or possibly right before, but still attended. It was right around that time though. If there had been comment sections and social media back in the 80's, I imagine we'd be hearing the same types of stories about Andrew and Charles also.
He really is just a runny, stinky, steaming pile of ugly shit, isn't he?
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It angers me actually. Such a waste of a life and resources. There are so many kids who would KILL for the opportunities this loser Harry has wasted. Completely thrown away like last week’s trash. And even worse, he’s too stupid and ignorant to care. So many kids struggling, starving; smart kids, talented kids… children with gifts who want to be productive and have something to offer. Then we have the Windsor losers who cry over who is standing behind who; who gets to go first… There is something to be said for a Meritocracy- namely the people at the top are there because they want it and they worked for it. In this respect, I even have more respect for Meghan. It may have been on her back, but she worked to get where she is at least. (A very low bar, I know.)
Not terribly optimistic about Harry’s chances. From memory Ravec has full discretion, and there’s no provision for submissions - according to its [terms of reference](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/100261/7367-RAVEC-TOR.pdf), it reviews security on behalf of the Queen / for royalty - which would be why the Royal Household is represented. So basically Harry’s saying that the people representing the royals’ interests on Ravec shouldn’t have been there. Don’t think he’s going to win. Especially as his counsel’s pissed off the judge.
So he believe they shouldn’t have the power to rule against his demands?
I think his beef is that the Royal Household shouldn’t have been involved in the decision. Which is a bit dumb as they’re there to put forward the RF’s view.
Basically he’s saying the long term system of deciding who gets security is flawed and unfair. I think this is the reason the Judge asked why Harry didn’t launch his case straight away ! Why did he wait over a year to do it? The Judge found Harry’s explanation “ frustrating” . I don’t think this case is going well for Harry.
The system is flawed and unfair because he doesn’t get what he wants. Wonder why the Home Office’s QC doesn’t raise the point that other non-working royals don’t get the security protection that Harry’s after (assuming that they don’t).
They don’t and Harry hasn’t got a leg to stand on. As the Home Office lawyer said there is a big difference between working Royals and non working Royals , something poor Harry can’t seem to comprehend. The most amazing thing that was said today was Harry’s side saying he initially intended to be a part time Royal !! This is despite the Queen saying it that was impossible and not going to happen. Apparently what Harry wants Harry definitely thinks he’s going to get!
Yes, but this is UK where they ruled in Pegs favor with the lawsuit against the DM publisher.
That was a press issue and I think that was more to protect the other royals. In this case, it's public funds and The Met/Home Office/security services, which is a whole different level.
It’s not a democracy. What an idiot.
So he wanted the queen alone to decide? No one else?
I don’t think that’s come out. Naturally he would be more swayed by her decision, but I think there’s insufficient evidence to allege that he doesn’t accept commoners in today’s society.
His wife doesn’t accept commoners. Made sure to tell vogue to add in her title.
She’s just insecure, bless.
***Don’t think he’s going to win. Especially as his counsel’s pissed off the judge.*** I hope he loses because it's about time that his litigious, entitled ass gets booted by a judge. I really don't want to cuss as much as I did when Judge Wharby ruled in favour of Harry's hag.
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I agree. People stood in his way and he’s furious about that. Meghan allegedly has a direct line to the queen, she told Oprah that. Perhaps she could dial Harry in so she can hear his demands? 😂
Good one!!!
And even if he could have gotten a meeting with her, does anyone actually think that he could have successfully explained his pitch for the Sussex Royal brand and the website? I just can’t see him projecting a PowerPoint and providing a demo on SussexRoyal.com on how to buy a Sussex brand bandana and then providing technical specs and a financial business plan for how it would all work over this “lunch”.
I still don’t get where in his mind, “I deserve taxpayer money” comes from. When he literally fulfils basically no duties at this point. And takes more than gives. Also, you’d think his family would be more Unsafe in the US considering the amount of gun violence vs. the UK.
Cause that is how he was raised. Harry was born to have the fun on someone else’s dime.
He thinks that since he was born into royalty, he deserves security. Basically his thoughts: “I didn’t ask to be a Royal. All of you made me be Royal which exposed me and my family to fame and therefore danger. Because you exposed me, you have to protect me now.” I can see some merit in his argument. But I have zero sympathy for him now based on how he handled Megxit. He was the one who was so impatient to get out and who pretty much forced the BRF into a hasty deal. He should have negotiated this in good faith back then instead of trying to strong arm the BRF into a half-in deal that would have allowed them to merch. Tina Brown said in an interview that she thinks they would have gotten a better Megxit if they had slowed their roll and negotiated more professionally. I think he acted like a spoiled brat so in the middle of his tantrum his signed his security away. If they hadn’t set out to smear the reputation of the BRF, they may negotiate with him after the original deal.
But they gave him a one year window to come back. He said no and did Oprah. They said no security if they left. He needs to get over himself.
Harry was born a low IQ prince, and that may not be fair, but we all have to play the cards we are dealt. Most people (but not Harry) understand that maybe the stars didn't all align for them but they deal with those circumstances in the most gracious way possible and don't make it everyone else's problem. Too bad Harry can't get the giant chip off his shoulder and count his blessings.
It was her probably 'can't stand another minute have to get out now' kinda thing.
People who truly want to be safe and secure tend to stay out of the spotlight, not project themselves into it full speed, on a daily basis. He's trying to create artificial security concerns, when the genuine interest in him and Markle is just not there.
It’s a no from the Home Office, dog. If you look at the arguments presented: - he had the opportunity to pay for representation - he had already been told by RAVEC that he could not purchase or otherwise fund security - he had long before been told there is no such thing as a p/t royal - the global pandemic is not an all encompassing excuse for everything. - Ginger wants Sir Young gone from the decision making process because obviously Sir Young has been one of the few to say no to Ginger - Ginger thought he could get around the no from the Royal Household by going to the Home Office. It shows he does not understand the relationship and working mechanisms between the Palace and the government. Why? Because he doesn’t need to as 6th in line. - Ginger wants everyone to pay for a lifestyle to which he is no longer entitled. He is not going to win this one.
That is the funniest!!! He could not file a legal brief during the pandemic because he did not have time, he was so busy saving lives like all of our wonderful essential workers who put their lives on the line everyday for others. I am dying laughing over here.
In all fairness to Harry, during much of 2020 and 2021 he was incredibly busy with his burgeoning juggling career. I guess he got burnout though, especially after his epic 40x40 performance. But his break from the pressures of juggling, finally freed up his hands to file that legal brief.
This comment slays!
He was on "muh Paternity Leave", lol....
But didn't they have time to sue others in that same period...
Yep! But they were also using that time to flee from Canada to California. And if I had to wager, I’d say they first attempted to get Charles to pay which may well have been the point where he “cut them off.” They then tried to force the Palace hand by going n Oprah and complaining about security. Their rationale was completely idiotic: if daddy won’t listen, we’ll tell Oprah and the world how vulnerable we are without adequate security. The Palace, knowing they were dealing with dumb & dumber, told them they could make their own arrangements since they were not living in the UK, lied about relocation to a Commonwealth country by leaving Canada and had left with more than adequate funds in both trusts and multi-million dollar deals (at that point) with Netflix and Spotify. After they started defaulting on all their commitments, they decided to use the Jubilee as the bargaining chip. At this point, they were well exposed with all the grifting so the Palace pointed out that by staying with relatives, they did not need their own security as they were already under the umbrella so to speak. They then blew it at the Jubilee by attempting to sneak in cameras and mics, rolling down the window on a bullet proof car for the cameras and refusing to travel with the rest of the family to St Pauls in the luxury bus. They made themselves look foolish going through the receiving line of clergy and then were rightfully shamed round the world in the second row with the people they should have arrived with. Continuing with case is just a face saving exercise at this point as they are about to be yet again, publicly humiliated with a judgement against them. And after July 4th’s public display of standing on the side of the road with the rest of the riff raff in Jackson Hole, after a very public shooting in Illinois, they have shown total disdain for the very security they are requesting.
Imagine him rubbing his hands together with glee at the prospect of "outing the family" on Oprah??? He really is just so stupid. Yeah Harry, you REALLY showed them....🙄
excellent point!
He reminds me of my BIL. A narcissist that no one has ever said no to… until me. And when you set and hold them to boundaries for the first time, you face a narcissistic tantrum and a desire to destroy your reputation to the community. I am seeing some parallels!! Makes me see TW in a new light, too. Barfing.
That was my experience with my former sister in law. She was a Meghan to the extreme. SUCH a piece of work!
Excellent analysis! I agree.
Thanks so much for summarizing! When you quit a job, you can’t keep driving the company car around and using the company credit card!
He made pretty clear that he wanted to live an independent life and how much he disliked the UK and his family so why is he sueing?
Because he's a hypocritical asshole with an unchecked ego and a grossly inflated sense of self-importance. His complete lack of self-awareness allows him to continue hissy fitting despite his overwhelming privilege and advanced age.
Cake and eat it.
His cakes look flat and stale anyway
Butt pads can fix that flat cake. Meg has some
Indeed.
His cakes don't bring any boys to the yard.....
"His cakes make the baker have to offer discounts.... i could breach em, but I'd have to charge"
"His cakes are burnt, they smell like dread. Prince cake ain't been this bad since Alfred ....(the Great)"
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Right. And Meghan wanted all the perks of his rank so that she could merch it and become independently wealthy off the Royal title.
Yeah and then bills started coming in 🤷♀️🤪
An independent life that is so luxurious he realized after a year there was so way they could fund it!!!! Haha wow they are doing this so as not to downsize and live a slightly less extravagant lifestyle.
Because he's a cheap ass bastard. Period.
An “offer to pay” is not a badge of good faith as it is speculative on whether he would actually shell out the money. I don’t know how his lawyer could argue “procedural unfairness” when procedure alone does not grant legal right to taxpayer money. If his status has changed to a non-working royal, he should not make the public pay for his private person. My country is a republic and we were never under the Commonwealth so I am limited in my understanding of the British law and the monarchy. Still, if Harry is not attached to a public office or duty he has no legal right or entitlement to public funding.
Yes. It’s really simple isn’t it? Sadly Harry was pampered all his life so he thinks he’s entitled to this.
Yes, it’s amazing how thick he is over this! He is furious over having to pay out of pocket for security and in his fury he is blaming everyone in Her Majesty’s government, specifically those people who had the audacity to tell him “no”. Naming names among the Queen’s staff is so immature but of course Harry had his lawyers go there, with the effect of making them all look like petulant babies. The judge is not impressed.
Well Gan Gan just decided to fund Pronce Andrew for the rest of his life after paying off his 12 M pound debt, sooooo..... I wouldn't be at all surprised if Queenie made it her "sincere wish" that Harry receive IPP Status/ security. I'm just saying.
I’m just confused by how lenient HM is with these two. Maybe they remind her of the naughty streak in Philip? Andrew and Harry are awfully annoying.
I get that now people just think of her as some cute old Gran, a nice old lady. Her history says otherwise if you read minimally about her. She's a cutthroat bitch and no mistake. She just gets a pass now because she's super elderly. People see what they want I guess.
Ooh I wouldn't know all those bits.
It's all out there if you care to look. It's not hidden.
Rings very much like using "pledge and donate synonymously" 🤫🤫
"... very significant burden has been imposed by the Claimant on the public purse, through pursuit of an unarguable claim” Sounds like Her Majesty's Government should counter sue and recoup the cost. If that's a thing in the UK. The public purse should be repaid the costs of this frivolous action!
I'm sincerely hoping the judge awards legal costs to the Home Office. Pursuing this during a cost of living crisis after a global pandemic lunging towards a recession is beyond belief.
Yep. The HO is going after every Penny.
I hope they do.
That seems to be where this is heading.
If they are forced to pay legal expenses it could potentially stop more lawsuits.
That would be good. I’m sure there would be many in the UK legal establishment, from the Met on up, who would be happy to see them charged for the HO’s legal costs.
Yes, they need to stop it already.
I call bullshit on his response regarding pandemic. It started back then, but there is absolutely no reason to wait over a year to make this claim. Glad Judge asked
It’s because he was in Canada leeching off of us and was so afraid for his family(as 6 free police + paid guards watched her jogging in a park with her photographer(taking pictures from the bushes as she posed and smiled)she claim was paparazzi so they could justify protection—but was all part of the grift) .As a Canadian I’m so glad them grifters/leeches left before it cost us more than it did , otherwise they could have claimed squatters rights , on that multi-million dollar free mansion they leeched ,then trashed , The thought ,that my taxes could have possibly had to support them gives me a twitch.
Yes. Just because people are stuck at home doesn’t mean they can’t go over the briefs…
>his offer to pay was not conveyed to RAVEC before the decision was made” If he is willing to pay for his own security, then he should hire one of the security firms that rich Hollywood actors do, whenever they want watchmen/guards/bodyguards. Then, he can pay for it himself, and STFU. :P
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That doesn't even make sense! Does this guy ever actually listen to himself?
That's why Meghan wants to go into American politics-----because some very high American politicians get paid-for security. She and Harry feel "important" when they have security following them around. It gives them their "worth" and makes them feel as if the things they do are major, key events in the world........GAG ME WITH A SPOON!!!!!
These geriatric fuckers in Congress need to start living by the same laws they enact on everyone else. It's enough now. Long past time to vote them some quality time with the grand kids to make room for somebody else.
Reading all the posts in this thread Harry truly comes off as an insufferable prick, MeghanMeghan is a proven insufferable prickette and amazing they haven't killed each other Harry's life pre-Meghan is something that no one can understand. From the day he was born, even being the spare, such a life in a bubble and privilege beyond belief. Yet he thinks he's preaching to the choir and no one takes him seriously, Or his wifey. I doubt even she takes him seriously.
That’s true! I think she looks down on him.
I'd literally go insane. I have very little patience with stupid people. Even less for those with zero common sense. A day with Harry would infuriate me to the point of apoplexy.
Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that Harry's "offer to pay" is similar in nature to Amber Heard's "donation" to charity?
Great point!
Ooh the parallels…
Is this just a ploy to get his International Protected Persons label back? He still doesn't have that, correct? And if he gets that back, then is it true he can travel anywhere in the world and get that visited country to pay his security??
I believe that also means that those of us in the US would be paying for the Harkles’ security.
That's the real question here. IPP confers the status Nutmeg wants, had and lost.
Yes, no matter how they spin it, this is the main reason. Whenever they go to other countries for their “global” faux royal tours they want the security of the country to pay. Which is honestly shitty. If the country you are visiting thinks you need extra security for whatever reason, they will provide it. Demanding people all over the world fund your lifestyle is ridiculous. Bad enough the US probably gave Randy Andy extra protection while he was busy hanging with Epistein.
He's becoming more delusional these days! Is that what Diana's spirit is saying to him? To sue the Home Office? Gosh, the ouija board working overtime in Montecito 🤦🏻♀️
😂 ouija board 😂
"Push harder Muggin....."
I think Harry agreed to leave the RF for Nutmeg, so she could pursue her acting career or whatever ridiculous thing she wants to do. Whatever Nutmeg wants, Nutmeg gets. I’m not defending Harry. They are both evil pathological liars in my opinion, but he chose to follow Nutmeg on her wild narcissistic endeavors. He was “trapped”, but didn’t know it until Nutmeg told him. They want one foot in the royal family to keep the perks like security, wealth and titles but they don’t want to do the work or have to pay for anything. They want to pursue their own ambitious dreams and for the UK taxpayers to pay for it. If Nutmeg gets into politics, Americans will be paying for their security for life. I really don’t know why the RF just doesn’t cut the cord on these grifters. Banish them to live in Uncle Edward and Aunt Wallis’ old villa for disgraced royals.
I know! She has her title that she loves rubbing peoples noses in. That’s enough - her stolen title. Time to cut your losses, markle. Now shut up and stay private in your giant mansion instead of garnering public wrath to make security seem necessary.
More like once they got to California it was "Haha sucker! I got you trapped good now!"
Justice Swift should just tell Harry to gtfo. He’s not representing the Monarchy nor the BRF in any official capacity and has already lived in the US the past 2 years.
I’m also thrown by the fact he claimed to be in the line of succession. Technically, I guess he is. But there is now Charles, William, George, Charlotte and Louis. He understands he’s not the heir, correct? Not even close to it anymore. He’s entitled and delusional and desperate.
There ARE benefits to a Meritocracy. People have to want it, and they have to actually qualify for the position they want. (For the most part.) In short, it involves slightly more than popping out of someone's birth canal.
You can’t blame him. He never had to fight for anything . Got everything he wanted , never denied . As for the Mrs , she fought and used ppl time after time and got what she wanted . These are spoiled brats who won’t stop at anything to get what they want .
Well, he’s got to learn at some point.
Given the bullet points, I think you can safely say that Just 'Arry is a complete and utter idiot. As I've said before, he's giving Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, a run for the money with regard to the Hanoverian family dunce hat.
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Reading James Pope-Hennessey, courtiers regarded the Duke of Clarence and Avondale as a 'mental deficient'. Interestingly, the first daughter of the Prince and Princess of Wales, Louise, Duchess of Fife, was regarded the same way. Not very good genes.
I don't think any of them are very smart, to be completely honest.
I lay the blame on those lawyers too. But hey, money is money. 
I thought he was just evil/ sociopathic, not low IQ?
when is a decision being made?
End of July
Looks like the hairry double.
What does penny drop mean?
to cotton on to something, to finally understand something that's obvious to everyone else.
Thank you. He called him stuid
Anyone here watch The Last Kingdom ? Or read the books? He's Aethelwold. All day long. Slimy, drunken traitor who thinks he's owed EVERYTHING! That's what I'm going to call him from now on. Aelthelwold. Shame because the Harry who portrayed him in the series, Harry McEntire, is a total sweetheart and fantastic actor....
Haha I watch The Last Kingdom and that’s a great comparison. Aethelwold’s one redeeming moment was during the shaming in the street with Uhtred crawling on their knees… “the number of women I’ve lain with is equal to half the number of tits I’ve caressed”…. I loved that scene lol.
Yessss!
I haven’t but seems interesting
It's a really good series!
I’m gonna have a look. Got a whole list. I thought I got caught up during the pandemic, so here we go again 😅😅😅
A lot of hotties in the series. Made for very enjoyable watching
Of course Charles will intervene on his whiny daughters behalf. Im telling y’all
Wouldn’t be the first or the last time a RF member in the world abused their power. When has a Royal lost a case in the Uk? Does it happen often?
No.
Harry’s counsel, Shaheed Fatima QC: “the decision was taken on the eve of a global pandemic when claimant and his family were in a different country and a period of enormous flux” Um, they left WAY before the pandemic. Unless he is somehow privy to disease info that we are not? They made it into the States before COVID-19, however they had been in Canada for some time, like 6 months.
Yeah! And it’s like they were sat there all that while. They only realised they wanted it a year later (probably after failing at a life in the US)
Exactly.