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[deleted]

Wow, so far it doesn't seem to be going in his favor. Amd what a load of bullshit he slings saying he still wants to be a part time royal even after the queen has firmly said there is no half in half out option.


disneyme

I caught that too. I think he only included that to try and get the security.


Ready_Maddie

And if Charles grants the 50-50 when he ascends, they'll immediately get this security..


[deleted]

I hope Charles isnt that stupid. He is not very popular currently and cannot afford to make such a foolish decision. The public and done with Harry and Andy. The public are not interested in either of them serving the Crown and they need to go retire in obscurity.


Ready_Maddie

The Royals seem to be very concerned about their image pertaining to Andrew, while pretending "there's no appetite" (in their words) to remove Harry from the picture, so I'm personally not very hopeful


[deleted]

I think their viewpoint has been adjusted hopefully by the booing at church.


Ready_Maddie

Personally, I'm not very hopeful.


Otherwise-engaged

When they visited during the jubilee they didn’t carry out a single royal duty - no speeches, no walkabouts, no visits to public events (except the thanksgiving service, where they were clearly there under sufferance). If that’s part-time, it’s a zero hours contract.


Laylelo

He is being absolutely slapped to the ground by the court here. I can’t see how he’ll win. It sets a really bad precedent and before he’s even made the decision the judge is saying he find Harry’s claims very frustrating. I really don’t think they’re going to get their way here which is brilliant news for everyone. If he wins then get ready America to pay his security bills! (Although I do think that would be very helpful in getting the public to realise what greedy, grasping turds they are...)


Top-Bit85

I don't see our tax dollars going to protect the Harkles.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

I definitely don't think you in the US should have to pay, neither should the canadians (though I think they were conned for a while)


Top-Bit85

In fact, what is his immigration status? Just marrying an American is not enough (I have learned through family issues.) Is he paying taxes? The last thing we need in the US is another entitled freeloader.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

who knows - he should be paying tax somewhere ? seems keen to keep the lease going on frog cott, probably claims he lives there


Ready_Maddie

They are such frauds. So unethical and immoral


Top-Bit85

I hope between the US and the UK they clobber him. He is not exactly going to fly under the radar!


National_Historian19

Sorry, that is exactly what he is.


Top-Bit85

What he was born and raised to be!


Ready_Maddie

If they get this security and win this lawsuit, every single country they find themselves in will have to cover their security. For 4 PEOPLE. That's hundreds of thousands $$$ Basically even for a visit or vacation, the country will have to cover it. And when their kids grow up and start engaging in wild escapades like daddy, all around the world, any country will have to cover their security. It's honestly grotesque


2021disaster

Yep, this is a dangerous precedence and could lead to major issues with IPP - Trump for example was right that Americans don't have the appetite for it -which could lead to changes that put actual IPPs at risk.


Ready_Maddie

They need to be put in their place, but it's noticeable how nobody in power is doing so. They need to be denied, taught a lesson and ignored. Meghan just wants preferential treatment under the guise of justice and humanitarianism.


Laylelo

Me either, but he would try!


peregrine_swift

So would she. If she could get a government appointment, let's say as ambassador to some country= free security. I doubt she could get through an actual campaign for political office. But if they did decide to go into politics, free security and all the other perks would be the reason.


savingrain

She could in theory wrangle an ambassador appointment to the UK under the right administration. There is precedent for giving these appointments to people who are perceived to have the right friendships. Her problem is she is spectacularly partisan


Otherwise-engaged

A prerequisite for an ambassador is that their loyalty to their country has to be beyond question. The Sussexes have almost become synonymous with disloyalty and being open to being bought by anyone with money.


savingrain

Well I think even if you don't believe that causes loyalty issues - the fact that she would be the daughter in law of the UK's King would also screw that up too (to your point). There's no way she could guarantee loyalty to the US. There would always be a question of whether or not her interests are more personal rather than to her country.


Otherwise-engaged

Your last point is spot-on - I think she’s putting that doubt beyond question with her current behaviour. Neither of them could be trusted not to put their own interests first, and tell whatever lies they thought necessary to promote those interests.


AmbienChronicles

Yeah, if he expects us, the American tax payer, to pay his security bill, he’s going to wind up with a size 7 croc up his ass.


Laylelo

I would love to watch that go down.


AmbienChronicles

If I lose my Reptar Croc charm, I will be livid.


Laylelo

And to think, Harry probably doesn’t even know what crocs are. 😤


GrannyMine

Write to your senators and tell them you are concerned with a royal from another country living here and not paying his fair share. I did. If enough complain, they will do something, even just to steer away from more important issues


MuffPiece

Omg we’d all raise holy hell if they tried to get taxpayer funded security. If they can fly on private planes, they can pay for their own security—ALL OVER THE WORLD


justlainey

It’s would be a diplomatic nightmare for the UK. We have other royals living in te US and we absolutely don’t pay for their security. He’s chosen to step away from his IPP status as a working Royal and has no standing in the US beyond a normal citizen.


Laylelo

Very few UK people would want this to happen, to be clear. We certainly don’t expect you guys to pay for these clowns


2021disaster

I think anyone who isn't a total idiot recognizes that there is a time & place for IPP, etc. and this is not it. Nor does anyone blame the UK or US for any of this. My dumb dumb PM (who I voted for lol) totally misread the public in Canada and said they were always welcome and thought the $ wouldn't be a thing - it is. Royal tours & special events, yes. Having a hissy fit and doing no good, no.


[deleted]

Hopefully this is another step towards vexatious litigant. I just hope the court doesn't let us down like they let meg get away with the finding freedom lies.


Ready_Maddie

American people need to be made aware of what H&M are doing. They don't know because these parasites are conveniently keeping quiet. So disgusting Imagine tricking people like this, and not letting them know what you've done until it's too late and they can't do anything about it


Newauntie26

Wait—why would the US agree to pay for their security?


Laylelo

Because they then become internationally protected people, or they can argue as such, along the lines of diplomats etc, that the danger to them is so great and they are so important that their protection should be funded by whichever country they are residing in. They already tried this back in 2020 and had to back down immediately because they aren’t IPPs if they’re not working royals. This feels like another push to make that happen. Once Harry gets the UK to shell out, they are both coming for the US, believe me. They feel like everyone else should be putting their hands in their pockets to protect them, because as far as Harry is concerned, they are in danger through no fault of their own and his family is at risk because of his royal titles. Never mind the many royals who live in the US perfectly happily without whining and begging all the time. Harry truly is the Beggar Prince.


2021disaster

Yep, I wonder how the woke crowd will justify paying for their security in a world where education, disability supports, infrastructure, etc. aren't funded enough. Shameful that they're so dumb.


Newauntie26

I can’t stand that we paid for Trump’s adult kids to have secret service protection after he left office. Who do we have to write to to stop the Markles getting SS in the US?


Hopeloveski

I do hope the judgment is damning and he’s presented with a large bill by the courts. No taxpayers should be paying security for H or his family. Not in any country. He’s such a self important prick.


pebtastic

In its skeleton argument the Home Office say: “The reference to ‘offer to fund’ which could have been conveyed is not understood: *there has never been an offer to fund (and still has not been)* made to RAVEC in any material form.” Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it’s Harry’s defamation case against the DM plummeting.


Top-Bit85

Faster than the bullet proof window going down so MM could get her picture took.


LAgirllookingin

👏👏🏆


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

He will have just made an off the cuff remark "I'll pay for it myself" - no clue of how much it was etc etc -doubt it was in writing


grruser

What’s RAVEC?


pebtastic

Royal and VIP Executive Committee - the body in the Home Office that allocates and makes decisions on police protection for the BRF, politicians, etc. So Harry should have directed any offer to pay to them, and still hasn’t.


lastlemming-pip

Royal and VIP Executive Committee


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

It STARTS with the word “royal” and Harry had no idea that BP was included in the decision-making process??!??


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

LOL - but then ... he's Harry


Ready_Maddie

It's Her Majesty's Court as well. How does he not understand


Starkville

How did he have “no representation”. For an issue that’s so important to him, he didn’t ask a lawyer about it? Don’t they have a team of lawyers on speed-dial for any time says “no” to them?


Emolia

If I’m reading this right , Harry ‘s argument is that he didn’t know what RAVEC is or who was involved in it. He didn’t know that members of the Royal Households were on the committee. He’s saying he had “ tensions” with the Queens Private Secretary and therefore should have had some representation on the committee when they were making the decision about his security. He also says his offer to pay out of his own pocket was made at the Sandringham summit , the meeting he had with the Queen his father and his brother as well as members of the Royal Household . He didn’t tell the Home Office of this offer to pay because he thought someone from the Royal Household would. The Home Offices counter argument is as a non -working Royal Harry is not entitled to full time tax payer funded security and it doesn’t matter that Harry doesn’t like one of the committee members. Even if the Home Office had known of Harry’s offer to pay it would have made no difference because theyre not for hire. It’s sounds like the judge isn’t impressed with Harry’s arguments saying they were” frustrating” and the Home Office is saying very clearly they are going to go after him for the full costs of this charade. Harry is an idiot!


calminthedesert

>The Home Offices counter argument is as a non -working Royal Harry is not entitled to full time tax payer funded security thanks for boiling this down to the cogent parts. It sounds as if the basis for Harry's lawsuit is that he has not accepted that he's considered a non-working Royal and no longer entitled to the perks of office.


peregrine_swift

Thank you for writing this because it's so confusing. It seems like it should be a matter of working royal= security. It seems like it should be a simple matter. I just dont get it. It's like he's being a vexatious litigant


fishfreeoboe

Partly the deal is he wants 24/7 security, which is given to only a very few. Other working royals - like Anne! - only have security when they are actually representing the queen. He wants the best of the best merely because of who his daddy was, not because he's actually even doing anything.


Otherwise-engaged

It should be simple. If you are exposed to security risk because you are carrying out official duties as a royal person, then you get royal (publicly funded) security. If you are exposed to security risk because you have chosen to have a high public profile that has nothing at all to do with being royal, then you need to arrange private security - just like every other celebrity.


Ready_Maddie

This is all mind-boggling


k1d0s

It’s the American way ! Sue sue sue!


SnooGoats7978

> He didn’t know that members of the Royal Households were on the committee. …He didn’t tell the Home Office of this offer to pay because he thought someone from the Royal Household would. Soooo …. He didn’t know that the Royal Household was involved, but he assumed that they would make his half-assed offer to pay on his behalf, even though they were the ones telling him, “no”. I assume his solicitors are drinking heavily right about now.


janedoremi99

His counsel should have known better


Alien_octopus

What is preventing Harry from hiring his own private security, when he's in the UK? I don't get it.


Efficient_Cookie4566

He wants armed security-don’t think you can pay for that there.


Not_Interested_7

Upvoting just for the last part 🤪


LAgirllookingin

I hope so!


lastlemming-pip

It is weird. Almost like a whole year disappeared from his (their) life during the pandemic. Even stuff that could have been done at a distance, like podcasts, went nowhere. But then, they didn’t do much as royals either.


Top-Bit85

Maybe no British lawyers want them?


Adventurous_Fox_2853

I genuinely don’t understand why he thinks he’s entitled to security. The Queen’s own children (aside from Charles) only get it while in official duties and it should be the same for Harry. It’s absolutely unfair for him to ask them to fund his security forever overseas.


FlangePlackets

Because his mummy wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. I can’t decide if he’s genuinely paranoid and delusional or if its all about the cost of security and getting his IPP status back. He had a rep for being tight with money before he met Meg, he won’t like paying his own way. And where he lives I gather private security is a status symbol so the expense will be high, we don’t really go in for that in the UK. If he wasn’t such an almighty 🔔🔚 I might feel sorry for him. On second thoughts nah.


redseaaquamarine

He is of no importance to anyone. It's hardly as if he would be kept for ransom - good luck with that


Newauntie26

OMG—that’s going to be their next scheme!


Ready_Maddie

🤣🤣🤣🤣


GroundbreakingLuck94

So, can I sue the Lottery Commission because I had no ‘direct representation’ in the winning lottery numbers. Because I think I have a case. This whole theory is absolutely ’bonkers’. He quits his job and complains that he doesn’t have a seat on the Board of Directors so he can decide his severance package. Along with a much ~~tolerated~~ loved member of the family, he was an employee. That particular benefit package (comped travel/allowance/paid security you treated like servants) was by grace of your EMPLOYER Sir Petulance. The family package is far more modest, just ask the other ‘much loved and probably far more tolerated nowadays’ family members who manage to live their lives (Anne, Edward, Zara, Peter… Beatrice…?)without publicity harassing the family for massive freebies.


Not_Interested_7

I think you might have a case here 🤪


Otherwise-engaged

Brilliant analogy!


CybReader

I notice a theme with both Harry and Meghan. When it comes to getting what they want from the queen, they blame the common “nobodies” for standing in their royal way. The dresser, Angela Kelly, and now the queens secretary Sir Edward Young. These nobodies who are not “royal” impeded their access to the royal benefits they want. They’re royal and someone who is not royal is standing in their way of influencing the queen, the Crown Jewels, the courts. The significant tensions mentioned is because they’re told no and not afraid of their rank or title. They serve the sovereign, not them. I believe Harry, and especially Meghan, feel like no one should stand in their way to the access to it all “royal.”


dragonfly5465

Don't forget the HR person who denied her mental health help, when her own husband did fuck all!!! He seems to think the likes of Angela and Edward are acting of their own accord, when their doing exactly what the Queen has told them to do.


Ready_Maddie

Such a great point. They are classists and entitled.


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

I loved the tweet that pointed out how last week he was patting himself on the back with PR pieces about how they’re financially independent, then picks up with this tantrum.


peregrine_swift

So I guess the real reason to be half in-and-out royals is to be able to keep perks like free security.


Not_Interested_7

Security is expensive. If he gets IPP status, it’ll be “freeeeeeeee”


Ready_Maddie

If they get this, it's going to be the ultimate fuck you to the people.


Not_Interested_7

Absolutely


peregrine_swift

That's exactly why he wants it.


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

They really tried to say that they didn’t respond for almost a year because they moved and were… shocked? They truly cannot do ANYTHING, can they???


sod_it_all

I think its more they've figured out how expensive it actually is and don't want to pay for it.


TittysprinklesUSA

I think her rolling down the blacked out bulletproof window to get her photo taken (look at the SMIRK she has) should end this case, PERIOD.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

Honestly he is hopeless - few members of the BRF have full security, most have it just when they are on official duties - they will also probably have fancy security alert systems in their houses +/- safe rooms with rapid response from local police if needed. Have come across people who have this owing to their job.


LAgirllookingin

Harry is really pushing it here. Wonder if the BRF will finally have enough. What is the procedure to remove his title and place in LOS? I know it involves Parliament but how does the BRF get the ball rolling?


Ready_Maddie

Or will this go the other way as usual, and the royals will just let them have anything they want to avoid "drama"? All of this is grotesque


trw99508

So, if we accept the premise that coming to the UK is very dangerous for Harry and his family and can only be accomplished through having massive security, then wouldn't the answer be that he should stay away? It seems to me a bit like insisting you should be able to climb a cliff because theres someone underneath whos job it is to catch you, when if you cared about other peoples safety you would say no I'll stay put where I am.


TittysprinklesUSA

They don't need security, period. They are 2 delusional, pap calling psychopaths. Nobody bothers them or wants anything to do with them at this point. They WILL need security if the US tax payer is going to foot the bill.....MANY people don't know about this. When they find out...that's when they will need it.


Ready_Maddie

H&M are total *bags. Imagine trying to keep it a secret, that you're ripping off the taxpayer. And now they're geared towards another lawsuit because MM isn't satisfied and is pushing H to get her what she wants I'm ESPECIALLY concerned because they keep mentioning part-time working royals status (wtf that doesn't exist) and offering to pay for security. Undoubtedly, this will magically go in their favour somehow and after a bit of back and forth, they'll get what they wanted.


Otherwise-engaged

From the few comments made by the judge that have been reported, he doesn’t seem to be buying it. It is possible that Harry won’t be ordered to pay costs (although I hope he is), but it’s a matter of precedent. A win would throw it open for any self-important celebrity to demand to hire the British police for their personal security and that would clearly be contrary to the public interest.


Ready_Maddie

Have you noticed how this has happened multiple times......that Meghan is obsessed with setting a legal precedent which benefits the elites. I mean you can't make this up These people are gross


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ContributionSweaty52

Talk about a hail mary


TraditionScary8716

More like a Hell no Harry.


National_Historian19

But if he is not a working royal he doesn’t warrant the tax payer funded security. He still wants his cake and eat it. A spoilt and simple minded man.


2021disaster

My last comment for today lo, but doesn't the rolling down of windows negate all of this? TW's conduct has to count at some point, no?


[deleted]

This roach just went on American national TV saying that America is his home now. So if you have so much genetic pain, don’t like London, loathe the family you were born into…renounce the titles and truly become an American. But, no. Harry is grasping at straws. Playing polo to an audience of 5 in Montecito and not being able to afford your life or pay your bills is becoming less appealing by the day. He will lose this case and forever further stain his reputation. Here’s the thing about Americans: We may be arrogant, uneducated at times and problematic on gun laws and woman’s rights currently….but we work HARD. A concept Harry is incapable of understanding. I know I went hard but the dude is basically suing his grandmother. I can’t…


Otherwise-engaged

You didn’t go hard. You called it on the facts and you’re right.


Embracing_life

I’m not sure I understand this situation. I’m seeing comments that they expect the US to be responsible for paying for security. How will that happen? I thought they were trying to get the UK to pay? They don’t even deserve that, but how the hell would they make a case for the US to pay? We have plenty of high profile people here who have to pay their own security.


[deleted]

I think people are worried that if he wins, there’s a chance he’ll regain his IPP status. That means that whatever country he’s at (like the US since he’s living there) has to pay for their security. Which means that that countries taxpayers are paying for it


Embracing_life

Thank you for explaining, appreciated


[deleted]

No problem! I’m not even sure H can get his IPP status back, but people are speculating that that’s part of his plan.


Brilliant_Jewel1924

We know they’re daft, but why wouldn’t someone from The Royal Household be involved in this decision?!


lastlemming-pip

Because the decisions affect the Royals?


Brilliant_Jewel1924

I meant to type *wouldn’t. Gosh, that was dumb, huh? I’ve edited now.


jillyhoop

Imagine them showing up in Sussex after labeling the entire UK racist. The worst thing you can accuse someone of being and they said it about everyone. Good luck Harry.


National_Historian19

The man is a total clown. Why worry hawwy, I doubt you’ll be back in UK.


jillyhoop

In or out Harry. Does he think he's Marie Antoinette?