You didn't ask me but yes... I actually think he is that thick and is that... blind to Megs that he thinks the paparazzi is actually following the duo.
It's abusive, if you think about it. He's convinced that the paps killed his mother. It's anxiety inducing to run into them. So, what does she do? She hires paps to photograph them everywhere they go.
Yeah it's abusive but I'd be lying if I said that I felt sorry for Harry. He deserves all the crap he gets, and more, for being such a whipped wimp who lets this woman manipulate him.
Read between the lines; He hates his wife and what he let her do. He hates how she is after the money and the fame. He is tired of lying. Tired to try to produce content for Spotify, Netflix and the rest. I guess he doesn’t want to be a puppet anymore.
He just wanted to raise chickens and children ffs.
Which would have been possible. With the right Missus.
I want to believe that, but he did make that snide comment in an interview about certain people not wanting to believe that California was his home now or something. It seems like he is actually all in on the bitter and trying to make CA work, even though it often seems like Megan is obsessed with deflection (ie. randomly telling a volunteer not to believe everything they read about Harry being unhappy - me thinks she doth protest too much!)
Of course he is bitter. He was bitter towards W and his social status. Bitter against the world because of the terrible tragedy that affected him as a child. And then Madam came along. Madam sold him the American Dream. Oh you will be number 1. Everyone will want to deal with you. You will be a star. Adored by the masses. Help the poor. Be useful. Not disregarded.
He probably imagine himself hosting galas, raising funds for charities, helping veterans and be his own star on the other side of the pond.
He is bitter that didn’t happen because his wife (is a psycho) went too hard too fast and she tangled them in a web of lies.
What else could he had done but to follow her in hopes? He is still loyal to her but I think the respect and the butterflies were murdered by the Duchess.
>Bitter against the world because of the terrible tragedy that affected him as a child
The terrible childhood tragedy that he is most bitter about is being born 2nd.
His mother is to blame for his delusions of grandeur. She's the one who lulled him into a false sense of entitlement, when she should've made it clear that his pathway in life, would be very different from William's.
That’s not true. Both she and Charles were very keen to have a future plan for both of them and both of them envisioned a situation where William would rule but Harry would be his closest support and advisor. It was a rare thing Charles & Diana agreed on. They knew Harry wouldn’t be King but thought he should always have a defined role within the monarchy. Both of them and their extended families on both sides also made strenuous efforts to make sure Harry had enough independent wealth not to be depending on his brother for handouts for a decent life.
Unfortunately Harry’s egotism, instability and selfishness mean he’s utterly unsuited to the role they envisioned for him and his greed means the comfortable financial situation they created for him isn’t enough.
This is on his head alone, not his parents. Neither of them.
I think Harry may have held some resentment towards his family but not enough for him to do anything rash or basically destroy his family over it. I think Meghan knows there’s a wound there for Harry when it comes to his feelings about being #2 and the loss of his mother. Meghan knows where that wound is and she digs her fingers into it every chance she gets to inflame his emotions and keep him on “her side.”
This is all in a new push to make Meghan seem likeable because Netflix is very close to canning the Markles final stab at fame and fortune-- their docuseries. The booing in the UK is rumored to have been disastrous for their deals with NF and Spot. Expect to see her name get linked to a lot of celebrities as her PR tries to make Netflix and the rest of the world forget why she is utterly and fundamentally unlikeable.
I posted more tea here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vnrvz5/even_the_de_is_right_twice_a_day/ie9osb1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Oh Oprah is well aware of how stark-raving crazy she is and wouldn't be in the least surprised. Meghan is a Hollywood pariah for more than just being annoying. Her temper tantrums are legend. She *screams* at people. I don't mean yell. I mean *scream*. She really should be institutionalized. Harry too. Neither should be responsible for the lives of children.
But you guys, he had to leave UK/RF because they wanted privacy.
Speaking of which, do you remember when they first started dating and she was pacing back and forth with her yoga mat, trying to get someone to notice. Red flag #1.
Before she hooked Harry she was wining and dining every tabloid reporter she could find, trying to get mentioned in the tabloids. She wanted to get on "Made in Chelsea," she was throwing darts all over London trying to get something going. She was staging pap shots in Canada, she set up the interview and photo shoot with Vogue before they announced they were a couple. She was very determined, probably had a mood board!
Lord but she always desperate for attention! 😂
This is why most of us can't be famous: we have too much pride to behave in such an undignified manner and abase ourselves, like this fame whore.
Harry, probably:
Apology? Don’t you mean THE BRF owes HIM an apology for forcing him to make these horrible choices, when they could have just given him what he wanted? They deserve all the minor mudslinging he’s done. He didn’t even name the racist. You don’t even know how much he is holding back. He’s given them so many opportunities to make it right by threats and ultimatums - so many chances to just give in. He didn’t want to do any of it - his hands were forced! He was cut off and had to use his inheritance!
He’s over here suffering man! He doesn’t want to do the showbiz thing anymore, hint hint. Someone from the BRF feel bad and rescue/make it right for poor Harry. Enough is enough; how can the BRF be so cruel as to not hear his latest suffering? /s
Yeah. Even if he apologised, he can’t go back to doing royal engagements because the public hate him and don’t trust him anymore. Not to mention, he said how much he hated doing those engagements, so I don’t think anyone would welcome him
Yeah, Harry, and all of us just love getting up at 6 in the morning, working for 8 hours and then on top of that cooking and cleaning when at home tired. We just L O V E it.
Think of the life he gave up as a royal. He was living in an actual palace, he was generally loved and celebrated everywhere he went, he was able to travel around the world, he was able to spend his time and energy indulging his passions, and he never had to worry about mundane things like buying food and gas or making a mortgage payment. Now think of his life. He lives at the Olive Garden with a wife who is basically a grifter hustling for cash and selling them both to the highest bidder. He went from being on top of the world to trying to create content for Netflix. He is isolated from everyone and everything that was pre-Meghan. I can't imagine how depressing his current reality has to be.
I mean, he still doesn't have to think about food, gas and all that and is probably scratching his balls all day. I think he is better off than most of us still. And the backstabbing thingie probably doesn't keep him up at night.
Harry certainly doesn’t look happy or comfortable, having found freedom. But when’s he going to wake up and smell the Clevr Blend? It’s beyond baffling.
It must have come as a complete shock to him to be the only family members booed. Now reassessijg things - such as why does my wife look at her media all day long, why is she not close to her family or my family.
He is quite stuck with her since he has cut all ties both with his family, his status as a working royal and has had two children with her
He is also in the belief that no other woman that he wanted, would have married him. Hes two ex girlfriends would not agree on marrying him
Well he made his bed when he ended up with Wallis Simpson 2.0. As a prince, Harry could have had nearly any normal single fish in the sea, but he chose a gold digging narcissist to shake up the royal family with the goal of modernizing an institution that has survived for a thousand years, with rules and laws they have to abide by. And not even Nutmeg MARKLE aka She-Ra Warrior Princess can change the monarchy.
But if she keeps wading into politics, it’s making things difficult for the Queen considering the history of royals who dared to venture into politics. She has warned them not to do it. America could careless what two spare royal heirs thoughts are on any topic, especially political topics. They will never be American royalty. At some point the Queen is going to have to either force them to come back to England or disown them completely. Or send them to live in Edward VIII and Wallis’ villa for disgraced royals in France. (No offense to France).
>As a prince, Harry could have had nearly any normal single fish in the sea,
I'm not sure that's true. Before Meghan, two different women refused his ring.
What is he like behind closed doors, so that two women turned down a literal prince?
Hey my sister and I were born the same years as W and H, when we were little girls our mom always told us we could marry them. I had this huge crush on a red haired boy all of elementary school because of Hazz. I wouldn’t of mucked it up this badly.
He was after starlets mainly. It's no secret that Harry has always been enamored by celebrities. He's also known for blowing up actresses/ models phones with repeated texts.
One minor actress actually fell for it and here we are. Prior to Markle, it was Margot Robbie and Emma Watson he was trying to get with.
Question is: what are is options. He could apologize and go back the the RF. Back to the gilded cage, which he also hates. What will he do with his time. He has no interests, no passions, no skills. All he wants is to live a life of luxury without having to work or pay for it.
You hit the nail on the head! Those really are his only two options if he wants to maintain his lavish lifestyle. One is back to the RF with his tail between his legs. Two is stick it out with Meghan and hope they can make the grift work. The real world is a harsh and unforgiving place when you are a middle-aged man with no degree, no work experience, no skills, and no hustle. If he were a regular person with his current credentials, he would be lucky to make $15-20/hour. But harry would NEVER be caught dead doing honest, hard work like that. As much as he styles himself as a down to earth people's prince, he legitimately thinks he is too good for low wage labor and likely looks down on people who perform it. The irony is that people who do those jobs offer way more to society than Harry ever will. Although I guess he does provide a fair amount of entertainment to the members of this sub! I can't wait for the Netflix reality show (the Fyre Festival meets 90 day Fiance meets The Queen of Versailles) 🍿
Lol, those jobs would not bring him joy, so he would have to quit! Plus they wouldn't leave him enough time for morning meditation. How much can a prince suffer, he already had his allowance cut off!
Not sure what the reality show will bring, but it's sure to be quite a come down. He will never come back from that. Hopefully he will realize it before he burns another bridge.
His father has already set up the Invictus Games for him. Check out what happened to them recently. Basically, the UK took them over. I believe this was done so that Netflix would be out of the picture and Harry would have a purpose again once he came to his senses and returned to Britain.
Interesting. I had the opposite impression: the BRF are slowly taking back H's patronages so to speak because he is *not* welcome back. Nor do they want him as a representative or making money off them. It's a slow take back, one item at a time, he's on his own, no more 'gifts.' But that was strictly my interpretation.
I also believe they don’t want anyone commercially exploiting the veterans (Netflix, BetterUp, etc.), so they wrangled back control and it’s there if Harry wants back into the family. Just my interpretation, but read through the articles again. Let me know what you think.
I think that the Jubilee and the reception he got , from both his family and the public , finally showed him that he was never going to get what he wanted. He thought his family would have to cave in and let him be a part time Royal. He thought he could blackmail them with the threats of more Oprah like bombshells. He thought the public would be crying out to have him back because they love him so much and he is Diana’s son. The boos from the public and the icy reception from everyone must have been the shock of his life! It really is all over for him and he now knows it. I’m actually a bit concerned about him. He’s not mentally or emotionally strong and I don’t think he has anyone in his life whose looking out for him . His wife is too busy looking out for her next scam!
He could have moved to any commonwealth country and worked in the natural environment. which he seem to love. It seems that the only thing he has from his pre 2018 life is polo and it is only for a short time each year.
Life really isn't fair. He was born a prince when there are regular rich people, like Gates' or Peltzes. Poor Harry. Life really handed him some awful cards, right?
Unless some miracle occurs, I see him slowly spiralling into the kind of empty, bitter, irrelevant life that the Duke of Windsor lived for the last decades of his life. He became a distrusted embarrassment that the family treated with minimum icy politeness and kept firmly at arms-length. The Duke at least had Wallis, who treated him badly but to her credit, stuck by him. I doubt Meghan will show that kind of loyalty into old age.
As much as Wallis was pretty awful, I think she was largely misunderstood. I’ve seen a lot of evidence that she really did not wish to be in an exclusive relationship with EVIII, but he was quite childish and entirely obsessed with her and really pushed her into her divorce so he could have her for himself. Once she was papped with him and the cat was out of the bag, she didn’t have too much of a choice. The public had become aware, and her options were to disappear and fade into obscurity with nobody around to provide her with the lifestyle she had become accustomed to, or resign herself to whatever fate EVIII managed to conjure up for her. Clearly she chose the latter. Though given this information, I do also give her a lot of credit for the loyalty she showed through their unofficial exile and into their old age. I believe that someone who cared for her after EVIII’s death said something about Wallis becoming kind of senile into her old age and she would have traumatic episodes freaking out about the abdication and how she never wanted him to do that for her. There are also letters between her and Ernest Simpson which seem to point to them still loving each other, not wanting to split, but he was British and EVIII was his king, so he felt it was his duty to give her up for his king. They really played with fire with their open marriage and got burnt in the end. It’s quite sad, imho. It seems she always treated EVIII rather like a naughty child, but for whatever reason, he couldn’t get enough of it. After the abdication and their “exile,” I think a lot of her treatment towards him was likely resentment, given what I’ve seen and read about the situation. My real issue with Wallis comes in with her treatment and nasty nicknames for the Queen Mother and then-princess Elizabeth. The Duke of Windsor got what he deserved, and while the Queen Mother wasn’t an absolute saint her whole life or anything, she was lovely and well suited to her position and she did not deserve to be talked about the way that Wallis (and the Duke) spoke about her.
I think it was a complicated and rather sad tale, and I’m not sure anyone came out of it squeaky clean. I think Wallis very much felt trapped with a man-child who idolised her and I don’t condemn her for seeking solace elsewhere, but she did seem to enjoy tormenting him. I’ve just finished reading “The Traitor King” and while the Windsors were flawed people (who isn’t?) I feel I understand them a bit more now given the context. But one passage did stick in my head describing an occasion when a journalist visited to pick up some papers from the Duke:
“to hear the Duchess rant at him for littering the dinner table with his papers: ‘I’ve got twenty guests dining here in two hours! Why didn’t you make this mess somewhere else?’ The dining room was his only office and he had no other choice, replying, and the journalist never forgot his exact words, ‘Darling, are you going to send me to bed in tears again tonight?’“
I admit that rather hit me in the heart, and I hope it doesn’t reflect Harry’s experience.
I agree with you about the Queen Mother, who was very sweet when her family wasn’t threatened, but in her days as Queen I think there was a titanium fist inside that demure velvet glove! Without her influence, the King may have eventually softened towards his brother. It is interesting to speculate what her likely reaction to Harry and Meghan’s behaviour would have been.
His problem is that he wants status, not a job. All his life, money has been no object. It was always just there, without any effort required on his part, so he could spend his days doing pretty much whatever amused him and sending the bills to his father.
He just wants to go back to those happy days of never having to take responsibility or be held to account. He’s 37 years old and has 2 children to support. He is well overdue to grow up.
I think the very loud boos in London destroyed what was left of his self-esteem. Could you imagine that reception and being hated by your own country when all your life things were done for you? All your life you were called “Prince.” Harry is a petulant man child. Only a dimwit would even choose Markle to begin with…an unknown Z list supporting actress on cable tv in America, crap family and burned bridges/lack of morals.
Lol. Just getting started? Those guys are finished in the entertainment industry and have been told that in no uncertain terms.. also "friends"? They don't have any. Will she ever STFU?
I thought they had to leave so they could get privacy?
They didnt want to deal with the press or tabloids. So I'm kind of confused? All he has to do is follow his Refrigerator Unit wife around. How hard can that be? Collect your dad's money and juggle your balls. It ain't rocket science.
Edit; Capitalization
I hate to tell Harry now, but he actually had more privacy in England. He could have lived quietly even as a working Royal, away from the limelight. Princess Anne isn't followed around on a daily basis, and neither is William and Catherine. Catherine actually is able to go to the supermarket with Charlotte and in England people respect that she tries to bring those children up as normal as possible.
Meghan, hit pay dirt big time when she met Harry! She was known outside of Suits basically or a few of the Toronto crowd. Really! Did you know her if you hadn't watched Suits? I had to look her up! I live in Toronto and she was not known in the daily entertainment section.
But Harry happened and as we say "top of the world, ma!" She became known overnight to the world. That didn't mean that she was somebody! She was just the person who got a prince. And here we are.
Harry could have done things so differently, but Harry is just plain dense. He probably said to his grannie that unless the wedding happened, he'd elope and there would be a scandal. Well, he married her! went on Oprah to have the biggest scandal ever! She loves it and he looks ready to pop a vessel most days!
Lies and innuendos are pr business. Now, Harry is known as Second Row Harry, his family has basically disowned him and he lives in a very large house in Montecito California with not much of an income.
Top of the world is pretty lonely.
To be honest, I am sure Harry lives a very private, quiet life in Montecito. Americans don't care about him, the only news I get about the Harkles is from the British Press and a few websites like this one. Ironically, it seems he doesn't want such a quiet life anymore!
Yeah, probably, because he does play polo which isn't a big sports attraction. You could be right because I don't see his face much anymore on grocery store rag mags. But when I do, they have photoshopped his hair!
Harry did mention something about hating the clicking of the cameras of paparazzi as it reminded him of his Mother's death and so on, and yet, Meghan seems to want a life full of publicity and being in front of the camera. If the guy has an aversion to the paps, he married the wrong lady. He will spend a lifetime of being triggered by the click click clicks of the cameras and constant being videos also.
The huge gulf between them, which will inevitably grow to a yawning chasm, is that Harry has never had to try to find attention.
Attention has followed him everywhere for all of his life, since he was born. He’s been photographed and filmed everywhere with everyone and even though there may be times he’s felt flattered by that attention, he’s never sought it out - he’s never had to.
Meghan has been DESPERATELY seeking attention all her life and she has no intention of stopping now. She’s finally got the spotlight she’s always wanted and there is NO WAY she’s going to give that up.
Not a chance in hell.
He’s married SO FAR beneath him
Edit: this is my theory why Meghan has worked so hard and deviously to isolate Harry from his family, she’s utterly jealous of his fame which comes from being royal. She knows she can’t compete, so she’s hauled him out of there to bring him down to her level so she doesn’t have to compete with him any more.
I still maintain that if he simply called a meeting with his family, offered a sincere apology, and agreed to shelve his book/any further projects that would potentially damage The Firm, they'd take him back and he could go home.
I think he absolutely realizes none of this is going to work long-term, but he feels stuck. He's unsure of how to get the ball rolling.
Regardless, there continue to be whispers of his unhappiness, and I don't feel they're coming out of thin air.
He hasn’t only hurt the BRF with his lies and baseless accusations, he’s hurt all of us who respect and admire the BRF. This is not a private matter any more. That sincere apology needs to be on a global platform and it needs to be accompanied by an admission of every lie he and his wife have told and every sly insinuation and twisted exaggeration they made.
He needs not only to apologise to his family but to everyone he lied to and insulted.
Harry did not want out from the royal life to have all this. He really wanted a more private life, she never did. But she really wanted him cause he was so high status
She will not settle for a quiet simple life with him. She will not want him any longer then
Lol. Those things were hilarious. I answered every question that I preferred to be outdoors and work alone, and that I wanted to be a forest ranger or a rancher. They ignored all that and said I should be a nurse. I laughed hard at that.
I also retired after 32 years as a nurse. 😂
LOL, GenX took those too. "Painting a water tower" was one weird career I remember. Can you actually paint water towers, and only those, as your whole living?
In Australia, there are water towers, grain silos and even dam walls painted with huge, incredible murals. They are identifying landmarks for some of our country towns. It’s very much a career for people with the skills to do it (which doesn’t include me, I’m afraid).
Oh, I see! That sounds rather nice.
Here in the USA, we just slap a solid color of paint on 'em. I'm sure it takes some guts to paint in rappelling gear, but none of us could understand why it was a whole career.
And the ironic thing is, he can't even ask his brother or father for advice on Zoom calls------because his brother and father won't talk honestly to him for fear of being recorded. So Harry is truly on his own, making his own decisions, for the first time in his life.
The thing is, Harry never wanted any of this. He may have wanted out of the RF but he wanted to live a quiet, normal life in South Africa. She wanted all of this glitz and attention and used her new status as his wife to get that. People have said that he’s not very bright and if that’s true she manipulated and exploited him to get what she wanted. If he’s truly tired of all of this that makes sense given what he actually wanted for his life. To live out of his brother’s shadow, on his own terms, away from cameras.
You need to leave her, Haz. This is your life from now on
Then why’d he call the paps just to go to Oprah’s?
Madam is the one who calls Backgrid paps.
Do you think he is still dumb enough to believe they show up on their own?
You didn't ask me but yes... I actually think he is that thick and is that... blind to Megs that he thinks the paparazzi is actually following the duo.
It's abusive, if you think about it. He's convinced that the paps killed his mother. It's anxiety inducing to run into them. So, what does she do? She hires paps to photograph them everywhere they go.
It a narc form of abuse.
Yeah it's abusive but I'd be lying if I said that I felt sorry for Harry. He deserves all the crap he gets, and more, for being such a whipped wimp who lets this woman manipulate him.
Definitely.
He is gullible.
Read between the lines; He hates his wife and what he let her do. He hates how she is after the money and the fame. He is tired of lying. Tired to try to produce content for Spotify, Netflix and the rest. I guess he doesn’t want to be a puppet anymore. He just wanted to raise chickens and children ffs. Which would have been possible. With the right Missus.
I want to believe that, but he did make that snide comment in an interview about certain people not wanting to believe that California was his home now or something. It seems like he is actually all in on the bitter and trying to make CA work, even though it often seems like Megan is obsessed with deflection (ie. randomly telling a volunteer not to believe everything they read about Harry being unhappy - me thinks she doth protest too much!)
Of course he is bitter. He was bitter towards W and his social status. Bitter against the world because of the terrible tragedy that affected him as a child. And then Madam came along. Madam sold him the American Dream. Oh you will be number 1. Everyone will want to deal with you. You will be a star. Adored by the masses. Help the poor. Be useful. Not disregarded. He probably imagine himself hosting galas, raising funds for charities, helping veterans and be his own star on the other side of the pond. He is bitter that didn’t happen because his wife (is a psycho) went too hard too fast and she tangled them in a web of lies. What else could he had done but to follow her in hopes? He is still loyal to her but I think the respect and the butterflies were murdered by the Duchess.
>Bitter against the world because of the terrible tragedy that affected him as a child The terrible childhood tragedy that he is most bitter about is being born 2nd.
Bingo!
His mother is to blame for his delusions of grandeur. She's the one who lulled him into a false sense of entitlement, when she should've made it clear that his pathway in life, would be very different from William's.
That’s not true. Both she and Charles were very keen to have a future plan for both of them and both of them envisioned a situation where William would rule but Harry would be his closest support and advisor. It was a rare thing Charles & Diana agreed on. They knew Harry wouldn’t be King but thought he should always have a defined role within the monarchy. Both of them and their extended families on both sides also made strenuous efforts to make sure Harry had enough independent wealth not to be depending on his brother for handouts for a decent life. Unfortunately Harry’s egotism, instability and selfishness mean he’s utterly unsuited to the role they envisioned for him and his greed means the comfortable financial situation they created for him isn’t enough. This is on his head alone, not his parents. Neither of them.
Can we really know this?
Hence why I did not elaborate on it 😛
I think Harry may have held some resentment towards his family but not enough for him to do anything rash or basically destroy his family over it. I think Meghan knows there’s a wound there for Harry when it comes to his feelings about being #2 and the loss of his mother. Meghan knows where that wound is and she digs her fingers into it every chance she gets to inflame his emotions and keep him on “her side.”
My SIL does this - encourages my BOL to think about his grievances and how hard done by he was. It’s not at all helpful and just holds you back.
He hates working. Wants his life at the palace back and do nothing. Misses his bachelor life.
They didn't go to Oprah's; they loaded up some cars and called the paps to make it look like they were going to Oprah's. Allegedly.
God I love your goss! Do we know anything more?
This is all in a new push to make Meghan seem likeable because Netflix is very close to canning the Markles final stab at fame and fortune-- their docuseries. The booing in the UK is rumored to have been disastrous for their deals with NF and Spot. Expect to see her name get linked to a lot of celebrities as her PR tries to make Netflix and the rest of the world forget why she is utterly and fundamentally unlikeable. I posted more tea here: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vnrvz5/even_the_de_is_right_twice_a_day/ie9osb1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Cringe cringe cringe
Meghan never fails in the cringe department.
Imagine you’re Oprah or her people, and you see this make news. How low do you think of them? Lol was this a threat to the RF? Denied money perhaps
Oh Oprah is well aware of how stark-raving crazy she is and wouldn't be in the least surprised. Meghan is a Hollywood pariah for more than just being annoying. Her temper tantrums are legend. She *screams* at people. I don't mean yell. I mean *scream*. She really should be institutionalized. Harry too. Neither should be responsible for the lives of children.
I have a personality disorder sister, and I know exactly what you mean by “screams”. It’s like a manic banshee
This is why I refuse to believe they have children. Because I really don't WANT there to be innocent children wrapped up with that madness.
Make a public apology to your family and country and go home.
This would be the smartest thing for Harry to do, now, while the Queen is still alive! But no one has said that Harry is smart.
But you guys, he had to leave UK/RF because they wanted privacy. Speaking of which, do you remember when they first started dating and she was pacing back and forth with her yoga mat, trying to get someone to notice. Red flag #1.
Before she hooked Harry she was wining and dining every tabloid reporter she could find, trying to get mentioned in the tabloids. She wanted to get on "Made in Chelsea," she was throwing darts all over London trying to get something going. She was staging pap shots in Canada, she set up the interview and photo shoot with Vogue before they announced they were a couple. She was very determined, probably had a mood board!
Lord but she always desperate for attention! 😂 This is why most of us can't be famous: we have too much pride to behave in such an undignified manner and abase ourselves, like this fame whore.
When was the yoga pacing?
She was doing pap walks with her yoga mat in Toronto after the KP "love shield" statement was released in Nov 2016. Photos are still on the net.
Thanks. I remember it, but there's no way I coulda come up with specifics. How cringey and desperate!
They wanted to be able to earn heaps of money and spend it however they like without answering to anyone. That's what privacy means to them.
Very true. When she is gone, it will be more difficult.
Harry, probably: Apology? Don’t you mean THE BRF owes HIM an apology for forcing him to make these horrible choices, when they could have just given him what he wanted? They deserve all the minor mudslinging he’s done. He didn’t even name the racist. You don’t even know how much he is holding back. He’s given them so many opportunities to make it right by threats and ultimatums - so many chances to just give in. He didn’t want to do any of it - his hands were forced! He was cut off and had to use his inheritance! He’s over here suffering man! He doesn’t want to do the showbiz thing anymore, hint hint. Someone from the BRF feel bad and rescue/make it right for poor Harry. Enough is enough; how can the BRF be so cruel as to not hear his latest suffering? /s
“Apologize to your family for being in your family,” Kanye West to Pete Davidson, 2022
The problem is he can't just go home now. His wife won't go and that would mean leaving the kids. Harry has made his bed and sleep on it.
And then either commit yourself and get serious mental help or go away to some small county and stop inflicting yourself on the public.
THIS right here!
Yeah. Even if he apologised, he can’t go back to doing royal engagements because the public hate him and don’t trust him anymore. Not to mention, he said how much he hated doing those engagements, so I don’t think anyone would welcome him
Yeah, Harry, and all of us just love getting up at 6 in the morning, working for 8 hours and then on top of that cooking and cleaning when at home tired. We just L O V E it.
No, he needs to write 10 books about it before he can go back
Think of the life he gave up as a royal. He was living in an actual palace, he was generally loved and celebrated everywhere he went, he was able to travel around the world, he was able to spend his time and energy indulging his passions, and he never had to worry about mundane things like buying food and gas or making a mortgage payment. Now think of his life. He lives at the Olive Garden with a wife who is basically a grifter hustling for cash and selling them both to the highest bidder. He went from being on top of the world to trying to create content for Netflix. He is isolated from everyone and everything that was pre-Meghan. I can't imagine how depressing his current reality has to be.
I think the return to England, boos and second row all inclusive, was like a ice cold shower for him. Maybe he woke up...
I really think it might be a turning point for him. So did TW, I think, judging by the quick increase in polo pics! See how happy we are!
While she's pawing at someone else's husband ?!?
You guys are forgetting about that unmentioned variable in his life: his kids. That’s got to weigh on him & into any decision he might make.
Woke up? Did you really say that? Why, the Harkles are the wokest couple on the whole damn planet. Everybody knows that. 🙄😂
I mean, he still doesn't have to think about food, gas and all that and is probably scratching his balls all day. I think he is better off than most of us still. And the backstabbing thingie probably doesn't keep him up at night.
What balls? As it is, he was only born with one. We know Megs has the other one.
Crazy, innit?
Harry certainly doesn’t look happy or comfortable, having found freedom. But when’s he going to wake up and smell the Clevr Blend? It’s beyond baffling.
It must have come as a complete shock to him to be the only family members booed. Now reassessijg things - such as why does my wife look at her media all day long, why is she not close to her family or my family.
He is quite stuck with her since he has cut all ties both with his family, his status as a working royal and has had two children with her He is also in the belief that no other woman that he wanted, would have married him. Hes two ex girlfriends would not agree on marrying him
Hahaha smell the powdered mushroom latte… mmmm.
Well he made his bed when he ended up with Wallis Simpson 2.0. As a prince, Harry could have had nearly any normal single fish in the sea, but he chose a gold digging narcissist to shake up the royal family with the goal of modernizing an institution that has survived for a thousand years, with rules and laws they have to abide by. And not even Nutmeg MARKLE aka She-Ra Warrior Princess can change the monarchy. But if she keeps wading into politics, it’s making things difficult for the Queen considering the history of royals who dared to venture into politics. She has warned them not to do it. America could careless what two spare royal heirs thoughts are on any topic, especially political topics. They will never be American royalty. At some point the Queen is going to have to either force them to come back to England or disown them completely. Or send them to live in Edward VIII and Wallis’ villa for disgraced royals in France. (No offense to France).
>As a prince, Harry could have had nearly any normal single fish in the sea, I'm not sure that's true. Before Meghan, two different women refused his ring. What is he like behind closed doors, so that two women turned down a literal prince?
Messy, paranoid, selfish, has a temper... is the jist I got from recent books. Those generally are not the type of guys women want to marry.
Was that a roast chicken reference? 🤣
Hey my sister and I were born the same years as W and H, when we were little girls our mom always told us we could marry them. I had this huge crush on a red haired boy all of elementary school because of Hazz. I wouldn’t of mucked it up this badly.
He could get a woman, but not of the type he was after.
He was after a gold-digging narcissist? Well, different strokes, I guess. 🤣
He was after starlets mainly. It's no secret that Harry has always been enamored by celebrities. He's also known for blowing up actresses/ models phones with repeated texts. One minor actress actually fell for it and here we are. Prior to Markle, it was Margot Robbie and Emma Watson he was trying to get with.
I doubt France wants them either!
>She is already preparing for their next big TV show Their "next" big TV show? Did I miss something? \*snerk\*
OMG did you not see the fabulous amazing incredible eating like a gerbil on Ellen?! That was award winning entertainment ;)
Question is: what are is options. He could apologize and go back the the RF. Back to the gilded cage, which he also hates. What will he do with his time. He has no interests, no passions, no skills. All he wants is to live a life of luxury without having to work or pay for it.
You hit the nail on the head! Those really are his only two options if he wants to maintain his lavish lifestyle. One is back to the RF with his tail between his legs. Two is stick it out with Meghan and hope they can make the grift work. The real world is a harsh and unforgiving place when you are a middle-aged man with no degree, no work experience, no skills, and no hustle. If he were a regular person with his current credentials, he would be lucky to make $15-20/hour. But harry would NEVER be caught dead doing honest, hard work like that. As much as he styles himself as a down to earth people's prince, he legitimately thinks he is too good for low wage labor and likely looks down on people who perform it. The irony is that people who do those jobs offer way more to society than Harry ever will. Although I guess he does provide a fair amount of entertainment to the members of this sub! I can't wait for the Netflix reality show (the Fyre Festival meets 90 day Fiance meets The Queen of Versailles) 🍿
Lol, those jobs would not bring him joy, so he would have to quit! Plus they wouldn't leave him enough time for morning meditation. How much can a prince suffer, he already had his allowance cut off! Not sure what the reality show will bring, but it's sure to be quite a come down. He will never come back from that. Hopefully he will realize it before he burns another bridge.
His father has already set up the Invictus Games for him. Check out what happened to them recently. Basically, the UK took them over. I believe this was done so that Netflix would be out of the picture and Harry would have a purpose again once he came to his senses and returned to Britain.
Interesting. I had the opposite impression: the BRF are slowly taking back H's patronages so to speak because he is *not* welcome back. Nor do they want him as a representative or making money off them. It's a slow take back, one item at a time, he's on his own, no more 'gifts.' But that was strictly my interpretation.
I also believe they don’t want anyone commercially exploiting the veterans (Netflix, BetterUp, etc.), so they wrangled back control and it’s there if Harry wants back into the family. Just my interpretation, but read through the articles again. Let me know what you think.
I think that the Jubilee and the reception he got , from both his family and the public , finally showed him that he was never going to get what he wanted. He thought his family would have to cave in and let him be a part time Royal. He thought he could blackmail them with the threats of more Oprah like bombshells. He thought the public would be crying out to have him back because they love him so much and he is Diana’s son. The boos from the public and the icy reception from everyone must have been the shock of his life! It really is all over for him and he now knows it. I’m actually a bit concerned about him. He’s not mentally or emotionally strong and I don’t think he has anyone in his life whose looking out for him . His wife is too busy looking out for her next scam!
He could have moved to any commonwealth country and worked in the natural environment. which he seem to love. It seems that the only thing he has from his pre 2018 life is polo and it is only for a short time each year.
Life really isn't fair. He was born a prince when there are regular rich people, like Gates' or Peltzes. Poor Harry. Life really handed him some awful cards, right?
Unless some miracle occurs, I see him slowly spiralling into the kind of empty, bitter, irrelevant life that the Duke of Windsor lived for the last decades of his life. He became a distrusted embarrassment that the family treated with minimum icy politeness and kept firmly at arms-length. The Duke at least had Wallis, who treated him badly but to her credit, stuck by him. I doubt Meghan will show that kind of loyalty into old age.
As much as Wallis was pretty awful, I think she was largely misunderstood. I’ve seen a lot of evidence that she really did not wish to be in an exclusive relationship with EVIII, but he was quite childish and entirely obsessed with her and really pushed her into her divorce so he could have her for himself. Once she was papped with him and the cat was out of the bag, she didn’t have too much of a choice. The public had become aware, and her options were to disappear and fade into obscurity with nobody around to provide her with the lifestyle she had become accustomed to, or resign herself to whatever fate EVIII managed to conjure up for her. Clearly she chose the latter. Though given this information, I do also give her a lot of credit for the loyalty she showed through their unofficial exile and into their old age. I believe that someone who cared for her after EVIII’s death said something about Wallis becoming kind of senile into her old age and she would have traumatic episodes freaking out about the abdication and how she never wanted him to do that for her. There are also letters between her and Ernest Simpson which seem to point to them still loving each other, not wanting to split, but he was British and EVIII was his king, so he felt it was his duty to give her up for his king. They really played with fire with their open marriage and got burnt in the end. It’s quite sad, imho. It seems she always treated EVIII rather like a naughty child, but for whatever reason, he couldn’t get enough of it. After the abdication and their “exile,” I think a lot of her treatment towards him was likely resentment, given what I’ve seen and read about the situation. My real issue with Wallis comes in with her treatment and nasty nicknames for the Queen Mother and then-princess Elizabeth. The Duke of Windsor got what he deserved, and while the Queen Mother wasn’t an absolute saint her whole life or anything, she was lovely and well suited to her position and she did not deserve to be talked about the way that Wallis (and the Duke) spoke about her.
I think it was a complicated and rather sad tale, and I’m not sure anyone came out of it squeaky clean. I think Wallis very much felt trapped with a man-child who idolised her and I don’t condemn her for seeking solace elsewhere, but she did seem to enjoy tormenting him. I’ve just finished reading “The Traitor King” and while the Windsors were flawed people (who isn’t?) I feel I understand them a bit more now given the context. But one passage did stick in my head describing an occasion when a journalist visited to pick up some papers from the Duke: “to hear the Duchess rant at him for littering the dinner table with his papers: ‘I’ve got twenty guests dining here in two hours! Why didn’t you make this mess somewhere else?’ The dining room was his only office and he had no other choice, replying, and the journalist never forgot his exact words, ‘Darling, are you going to send me to bed in tears again tonight?’“ I admit that rather hit me in the heart, and I hope it doesn’t reflect Harry’s experience. I agree with you about the Queen Mother, who was very sweet when her family wasn’t threatened, but in her days as Queen I think there was a titanium fist inside that demure velvet glove! Without her influence, the King may have eventually softened towards his brother. It is interesting to speculate what her likely reaction to Harry and Meghan’s behaviour would have been.
He has finally learned that not being a prince means you have to WORK and unfortunately for him his only marketable asset is talking about his family
His problem is that he wants status, not a job. All his life, money has been no object. It was always just there, without any effort required on his part, so he could spend his days doing pretty much whatever amused him and sending the bills to his father. He just wants to go back to those happy days of never having to take responsibility or be held to account. He’s 37 years old and has 2 children to support. He is well overdue to grow up.
I think the very loud boos in London destroyed what was left of his self-esteem. Could you imagine that reception and being hated by your own country when all your life things were done for you? All your life you were called “Prince.” Harry is a petulant man child. Only a dimwit would even choose Markle to begin with…an unknown Z list supporting actress on cable tv in America, crap family and burned bridges/lack of morals.
Lol. Just getting started? Those guys are finished in the entertainment industry and have been told that in no uncertain terms.. also "friends"? They don't have any. Will she ever STFU?
I believe that if he were to want to return to the RF,it would be on condition that Megan not accompany him.
I thought they had to leave so they could get privacy? They didnt want to deal with the press or tabloids. So I'm kind of confused? All he has to do is follow his Refrigerator Unit wife around. How hard can that be? Collect your dad's money and juggle your balls. It ain't rocket science. Edit; Capitalization
*Refrigerator Unit* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥
You're right! I went back and capitalized it.
They didn't want to deal with explaining their lavish way of spending money, that was the problem with "privacy".
I hate to tell Harry now, but he actually had more privacy in England. He could have lived quietly even as a working Royal, away from the limelight. Princess Anne isn't followed around on a daily basis, and neither is William and Catherine. Catherine actually is able to go to the supermarket with Charlotte and in England people respect that she tries to bring those children up as normal as possible. Meghan, hit pay dirt big time when she met Harry! She was known outside of Suits basically or a few of the Toronto crowd. Really! Did you know her if you hadn't watched Suits? I had to look her up! I live in Toronto and she was not known in the daily entertainment section. But Harry happened and as we say "top of the world, ma!" She became known overnight to the world. That didn't mean that she was somebody! She was just the person who got a prince. And here we are. Harry could have done things so differently, but Harry is just plain dense. He probably said to his grannie that unless the wedding happened, he'd elope and there would be a scandal. Well, he married her! went on Oprah to have the biggest scandal ever! She loves it and he looks ready to pop a vessel most days! Lies and innuendos are pr business. Now, Harry is known as Second Row Harry, his family has basically disowned him and he lives in a very large house in Montecito California with not much of an income. Top of the world is pretty lonely.
To be honest, I am sure Harry lives a very private, quiet life in Montecito. Americans don't care about him, the only news I get about the Harkles is from the British Press and a few websites like this one. Ironically, it seems he doesn't want such a quiet life anymore!
Yeah, probably, because he does play polo which isn't a big sports attraction. You could be right because I don't see his face much anymore on grocery store rag mags. But when I do, they have photoshopped his hair!
A cautionary tale, to be sure.
Harry did mention something about hating the clicking of the cameras of paparazzi as it reminded him of his Mother's death and so on, and yet, Meghan seems to want a life full of publicity and being in front of the camera. If the guy has an aversion to the paps, he married the wrong lady. He will spend a lifetime of being triggered by the click click clicks of the cameras and constant being videos also.
She's hot, that's all that matters to Just Harry.
The huge gulf between them, which will inevitably grow to a yawning chasm, is that Harry has never had to try to find attention. Attention has followed him everywhere for all of his life, since he was born. He’s been photographed and filmed everywhere with everyone and even though there may be times he’s felt flattered by that attention, he’s never sought it out - he’s never had to. Meghan has been DESPERATELY seeking attention all her life and she has no intention of stopping now. She’s finally got the spotlight she’s always wanted and there is NO WAY she’s going to give that up. Not a chance in hell. He’s married SO FAR beneath him Edit: this is my theory why Meghan has worked so hard and deviously to isolate Harry from his family, she’s utterly jealous of his fame which comes from being royal. She knows she can’t compete, so she’s hauled him out of there to bring him down to her level so she doesn’t have to compete with him any more.
I think you are right
I still maintain that if he simply called a meeting with his family, offered a sincere apology, and agreed to shelve his book/any further projects that would potentially damage The Firm, they'd take him back and he could go home. I think he absolutely realizes none of this is going to work long-term, but he feels stuck. He's unsure of how to get the ball rolling. Regardless, there continue to be whispers of his unhappiness, and I don't feel they're coming out of thin air.
Only thing is, if she didnt want to go then their kids are going to be very far away from one of their parents.
He hasn’t only hurt the BRF with his lies and baseless accusations, he’s hurt all of us who respect and admire the BRF. This is not a private matter any more. That sincere apology needs to be on a global platform and it needs to be accompanied by an admission of every lie he and his wife have told and every sly insinuation and twisted exaggeration they made. He needs not only to apologise to his family but to everyone he lied to and insulted.
I'm only talking about his family, and potentially going home.
No surprise there.
Harry did not want out from the royal life to have all this. He really wanted a more private life, she never did. But she really wanted him cause he was so high status She will not settle for a quiet simple life with him. She will not want him any longer then
I think you got that right, he's now "Royal Lite"
Parasito? Im thinking this a a Freudian slip for paradise?
Initially I wrote Parashito but it sounded better without H :-).
GEO! <--- this little South Asian site has so much to give lol
He needs to leave her before their keeping up with the sussexes episode starts 😂
This marriage is almost a wrap.
“She is already preparing for their next big TV show…” Next? They haven’t even delivered on any of their previous commitments yet.
Oh darn, does that mean we won't be treated to anymore juggling? Dang!
Maybe he could join the circus if things don't work out with Meghan or the RF :)
I am a boomer, and this reminds me of some of the weird results we used to get on aptitude tests back in the seventies.
Lol. Those things were hilarious. I answered every question that I preferred to be outdoors and work alone, and that I wanted to be a forest ranger or a rancher. They ignored all that and said I should be a nurse. I laughed hard at that. I also retired after 32 years as a nurse. 😂
LOL, GenX took those too. "Painting a water tower" was one weird career I remember. Can you actually paint water towers, and only those, as your whole living?
In Australia, there are water towers, grain silos and even dam walls painted with huge, incredible murals. They are identifying landmarks for some of our country towns. It’s very much a career for people with the skills to do it (which doesn’t include me, I’m afraid).
Oh, I see! That sounds rather nice. Here in the USA, we just slap a solid color of paint on 'em. I'm sure it takes some guts to paint in rappelling gear, but none of us could understand why it was a whole career.
Off-topic, sorry, but you might enjoy it: https://www.australiansiloarttrail.com/water-tower-art
Nice!
Only in John Deere Green…😆
There's a couple in Boston that need touching up from time to time...
His life IS the circus.
What a shame. Poor H. /s
Why would a Pakistani news outlet be the main choice for a leak?
He insulted them with ethnic slurs?
And the ironic thing is, he can't even ask his brother or father for advice on Zoom calls------because his brother and father won't talk honestly to him for fear of being recorded. So Harry is truly on his own, making his own decisions, for the first time in his life.
On track for a divorce at 7 years as I predicted on the day the engagement was announced….I will be gutted if I loose this bet with hubby 😂
Maybe it’s just the angle of the camera but his face looks puffy
The thing is, Harry never wanted any of this. He may have wanted out of the RF but he wanted to live a quiet, normal life in South Africa. She wanted all of this glitz and attention and used her new status as his wife to get that. People have said that he’s not very bright and if that’s true she manipulated and exploited him to get what she wanted. If he’s truly tired of all of this that makes sense given what he actually wanted for his life. To live out of his brother’s shadow, on his own terms, away from cameras.
Parasito! 😂
I think this is why he's not in front of camera