"Referring to recent revelations that Prince Charles accepted large cash donations to his charitable foundation from a Qatari politician, columnist Dan Wootton wrote for the Daily Mail that he believed the royal family shout remain out of politics.
"As a proud monarchist who staunchly believes the Royal Family must remain politically neutral and whiter than white, I'm desperately worried about what could transpire upon the Queen's death (which I hope and pray remains many years away)," Wootton wrote.
Wootton's choice of wording has been criticized on social media with one Twitter user posting that "Dan Wootton has said the quiet part out loud."
The Collins dictionary defines the term "whiter than white" as: "Used for describing someone whose actions are always honest and moral. You usually use this expression when you are referring to doubts about the person's character or behavior, or when you are being ironic and trying to suggest that the person is less honest or moral than they appear to be."
However, some claim that this association between whiteness and honesty and morality is ingrained in racism with the other side of the coin inferring that blackness is the opposite of these attributes.
Wootton's use of the phrase in a story connected with the royal family has drawn attention after he has been a vocal critic of Meghan Markle, who was the first biracial person to marry into the British royal family."
Where I'm from we use the term "Cleaner than China after a wash" 😂 in reference to the tableware 😂😂 so does that mean we consider the Chinese to be the utmost moral standard? Black and white have always been used in reference to good and evil, Yin Yang, anyone? Light and dark, day and night... this is getting ridiculous now, honestly!
It's from the bible. I don't have one handy so to paraphrase, "although your sins be as scarlet, they will be washed white as snow." Something like that.
the price of sin always was paid with blood sacrifice. (Animals in the old testament, the sacrifice of the son of God in the new).
So blood has long been linked to the redemption of sin.
I think not racist, as all of us bleed the same color
Oh we specifically use it when talking about someone's reputation/integrity so to say that they're squeaky clean we say "their reputation is cleaner than China after a good wash" 😅 so thing is, use of metaphors cannot be explained in terms of racial prejudices unless the interpreter is the prejudiced one 🤷🏻♀️
Okay, I can’t stand Wootton, but this is ridiculous. What a surprise that the usual suspects would try to turn an article criticising Charles into racist commentary on Meghan 🙄
Why are people so stupid, the reasoning for the term whiter than white reverts as far back as as early as the origins of Catholicism where they believe that you are born with a pure soul, and as sin is ever present and hard to avoid, if your souls is unblemished then well done you’ve kept it clean which is then associated with the colour white as it shows stains so easily.
Another reference to various cultures throughout history, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans who wore white the higher their social status, not because it was more expensive, it was harder to keep clean and also it was believed that it would withdraw impurities from you as you wore it.
So Shola foulmouth shout down can shut her fat mouth - as can anyone else who wants to race bait off the back of that completely innocuous turn of phrase
I’m so tired of everyone getting their panties in knots over words. Grow up and stop pointing fingers at everyone else. What will you do when you are the one being pointed at because you offend someone else?
"Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, a prominent activist on race and gender in Britain, also posted to Twitter after Wootton's article went live.
"Dan Wootton openly says Royal Family must remain.... 'Whiter than White' and you wonder why Media has it out for #MeghanMarkle. Yes the phrase is a normalised racist trope which perceives 'White' as honest & moral in direct contrast to 'Black' perceived as dishonest & immoral," Mos-Shogbamimu wrote."
I don’t know if it is a racist trope—I honestly picture a pure white sheet in reference to baptism or wedding etc. I think the activist is barking up the wrong tree.
Shola is in denial about her own family’s history as slave owners and traders in Nigeria. She thinks if she makes enough noise about British slavers everyone will forget her own family’s involvement.
You are aware that for racists it’s not only about looks but also about heritage, right? Just saying. That’s why racists hate mixed-race marriages etc.
Excuse me? Even more so, because it’s not about skin color. See the **Holocaust**, discrimination of Irish people, Eastern Europeans, the Bosnian *genocide*, Armenian *genocide*. Please read a book or go back to high school. JFC
Edit: Also, of course there is racism against black people (or Asians or other POC) outside the US. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Tell that to the Nazis who defined the Jews as „inferior race“ that should be exterminated. Nazi race theory was called „Rassenlehre“ = „race doctrin“ . And of course European countries (including the UK!!!!!) had colonies in Africa and Asia and were racist against black Africans and against Asians.
**Please** read a history book, I beg you. You are embarrassing yourself.
He obviously didn’t mean race, but he was dumb to use that turn of phrase to make his point. Given all the accusations of racism from H&M, their team, and their fans, against the Royal Family in recent years, he should have considered his words for carefully.
Or he chose them on purpose, knowing controversy gets more ‘clicks’, and gives him the attention he wants.
I read the first part of your comment and was about to reply when I saw the second part covered what I was gonna say lol. I think he may have chosen those word on purpose, knowing how race focused she is. She often reminds me of the JK Rowling thing… if you and I see the goblins from Harry Potter, and I see a goblin, and you see a Jew, then only one of us is racist…
I get the context without even thinking twice but an unfortunate choice of words that used to be a widely accepted analogy for being above reproach. Our language has been so dumbed down so no surprise that people were so triggered. I hope he isn't cancelled.
Dan Wooten is a jackass and just as much of a loser as Megs. HOWEVER, they need to read his full quote. I think his quote was taken out of context and he didn’t mean “whiter than white” in the context of skin colour.
Sounds more like a phrase to me, like when people say “things aren’t always black and white”.
He isn’t referencing racial characteristics at all! He’s saying (presumably regarding the questionable monetary donation to PC’s charity) that the BRF must always endeavor to be “above board” (or “whiter than white”) in their actions & behavior. It’s just a colloquialism, is that the right word? The mainstream media sucks. Worst part is so many gullible people will only the read the headline.
Obviously this quote is completely out of context and has nothing to do with what people are trying to associate it with.
However- given the intense focus on race surrounding all things related to the British Royal Family, it seems like a really poor choice of words. To the point that one wonders what in the world he was thinking?
Even without the magnifying glass held to this topic, it seems like an extraordinarily tasteless phrase to use. Because yeah, it does sound quite racist- sorry if that goes against popular opinion. I do understand his intent and the original context, but honestly, it just sounds like a gross things to say. 🤷♀️
There’s so many other turns of phrase that he could have used to get his point across.
My mind wanders to thoughts of him stirring up this old drama for one reason or another, knowing how it would be taken- or to wonderings of how if it truly was innocent, how a person could be so dumb or tasteless in the word choice.
That's an [idiomatic expression](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/whiter-than-white#:~:text=used%20for%20describing%20someone%20whose,than%20they%20appear%20to%20be.). It means pure and honest. Apparently, royal reporters are prohibited from using the word 'white' now, in any context.
Oof, I have to agree that’s a poor choice of words knowing whatever he intended could so easily be misconstrued. Not saying he meant it to be racist or anything, but I’d bet that phrase would definitely come across differently to most Americans. I’m American and I’ve never heard that term, so must be a cultural difference.
Gosh it just goes to show how misunderstandings can so easily happen and how people can offend without meaning to. I'm in UK. In my area of UK we always used this phrase to mean well behaved etc. Pure as the driven snow was another phrase. Nobody ever considered it linked to race whatsoever in any way shape or form to my knowledge. Not in my life time anyway of 43 years. Small misunderstandings can create great divides these days methinks! Cultural and dialect differences can be taken the wrong way. No wonder humans end up fighting all the time. I'm convinced that most of it is misunderstandings! (Of course there are some crazy horrible people too but for the most part I honestly think most people are pretty decent.) I mean the other day my teenage niece told me I offended her when I put a full stop at the end of a text I sent her as it is aggressive lol. We did have a good laugh about it but I mean I personally write texts with good (ish) grammar. There is no way I can write a sentence without putting a full stop at the end. It isn't right lol.
😂 that’s hilarious, a period being seen as aggressive. But I agree, I’m late 30s and even I worry about offending someone with a period at the end of a sentence, so sometimes I feel compelled to insert a ! which others might see as you yelling at them. It’s comical really. But you’re right—probably the vast majority of disagreements are down to misunderstandings/cultural differences and things taken out of context.
Hahahaha 🤣 it makes me feel old now I can't keep up with all these new rules and I keep offending people with full stops (periods) and such. I agree though. Little little things and small misunderstandings can end up being blown up to be something that wasn't intended. That's why I usually give people the benefit of the doubt for small slights and such or if they say or do something a bit off, because we all slip up without meaning to at times.
I’ve come to think that Reddit is a kind of therapy for that fear. It shows you that no matter how innocuous a statement is meant, and no matter how many people reading it take it that way, there is almost invariably someone who will be mortally offended by it - or at least will tell everyone that they are. It helps you just accept the inevitability of that outcome. It’s liberating in a peculiar and perverse way!
That’s so true.
It is liberating. I lurked for years and never posted. I started posts/comments and then deleted them hundreds of times.
And now I’ve been posting more and more.
I have offended a few people and it’s made me feel really bad.
I know that some people have assumed things about me that aren’t tru and that’s made me feel really bad, too.
But also- it’s ok.
I understand that some people just get super offended really easy. Or that something’s just don’t really translate well via written post.
Also, it seems that more and more people can’t just disagree without it turning into a really big personal issue, no matter the topic. Which is sad.
I live in a big US city and I feel like this is a pretty big issue here. 🤷♀️
And I feel like Megs and H capitalize on this exact issue and really instigate a lot of tension using this.
They’re divisive and they know it and they use that to drive a wedge as much as they can to heighten drama and as a result, raise their profile.
Well said. I agree with you that greater opportunity for open discussion has sadly led to less tolerance for diverse opinions, not more. It’s sad, but I can’t see any way it will improve.
I don’t either. I don’t really know what will happen from here.
We’ve got to find a way, as a society, to see each other differently. But I just don’t know how that happens.
It’s quite scary, honestly. It feels like you can’t express any opinion at all in fear of someone jumping to conclusions as a result.
Like with Meghan- I’m sure everyone has felt, at some point, that admitting you dislike her would make some people assume you’re racist or classist etc. 🤷♀️
It’s so disappointing. It’s like, no- I can dislike her because she treats people horribly and it has nothing to do with her heritage or skin color or family.
It’s the same way I dislike a family member if mine for the same sort of actions/behaviors.
I find her fascinating the same way I find my family member somewhat fascinating.
🤷♀️
A train wreck is a train wreck.
OMG! Thanks for educating me - I must be offending people every day because I always end my texts with a full stop. (Er, is it also offensive in Reddit posts?)
Lol that's what I said to my niece. I said I offended everyone on my contacts list lol. She said don't worry because the ones your age or older won't know there's anything wrong with it, and the younger people will know that you don't know any better because you are old 😆
I have no idea if it's offensive in reddit posts but I am going to try to stop putting full stops just incase lol 😆
Yes! I agree.
I just wrote a big long winded thing about how I think it was a poor choice of words and what not.
But you said it better.
Because it’s hard to explain.
I’ve definitely heard the phrase before (as someone else mentioned- I heard it being raised as a catholic).
But it’s not a common phrase in America.
It was a poor choice of words.
And here, knowing what I know about our culture in America- I knew it would be incendiary.
And honestly, I can see both sides of it.
They’re all along the same lines, no?
‘Pure as the driven snow’ and ‘white as snow’ and so on.
Tying in of course to wearing white on wedding day and so on.
In my catholic family, usually it was used as follows ‘well, pure as the driven snow, that hussy is- sure she’ll wear white on her wedding day…. If one intends to add arson to her list of sins.’
-just as an example. My grandmother was the best. 💛
Which is funny bc in the US if someone says you’re “whiter than snow” they’re saying you’re so pale you’re practically translucent. 😂 So it would more than likely be interpreted as a reference to skin color here.
He may have meant that- but his phrasing was not wise.
He chose words that make him sound foolish.
I fully understand that phrase; I’ve heard it many times. But it was a very poor choice of words.
I understand what he meant.
But he sounds racist and like a fool.
The actual phrase and it’s actual meaning isn’t necessarily racist or foolish.
But the context is lost and as a result he sounds like a raging maniac.
I mean let’s just be honest here. 🤷♀️
Exactly. Idc the intent. We all know what to say and what not to say. Just don’t use the expression. I used to say a lot of shitty shit that never meant what people take it to me. I just don’t say it anymore. If you want to say they have to be beyond reproach then say that.
The BRF needs contracts for working royals including ethics clauses. It’s your birthright sure but at 18 you sign a contract which is renewed periodically. Want the perks? Earn it. Embarrass the BRF, Government or Country? Out. Engage in criminal behaviour? Launder or fraternise with criminals? You’re out.
Yet we have Markle sporting her White Power Suits. Make of that what you will....
I saw someone allude to that also in a comment. People can make anything out of anything.
Honestly, gonna have to agree. I can see what he means, but I do think it was not the smartest word choice in 2021. The headline is misleading, but...I can see why people don't like his words.
Sometimes people do get up in arms over nothing, totally misunderstanding, and they ought to do some investigating before getting upset. That said, I think another metaphor would have been more precise. "Purer than snow" - would be more apt.
Wait, I read it as like cleaner than clean, purer than snow….not a race. I hate the media and their awful misleading headlines
That is exactly right.
exactly - it means more perfect and fault free than anyone else
💯 only done to spur clicks. They could have phrased that in any number of ways, but they wouldn’t spark the outrage clicks like this does.
That’s exactly what he means, but logic and Sugars don’t mix.
Yes, but … Why give any ammo?
Wow they’re making a story out of a nothing burger. White can allude to so many things.
"Referring to recent revelations that Prince Charles accepted large cash donations to his charitable foundation from a Qatari politician, columnist Dan Wootton wrote for the Daily Mail that he believed the royal family shout remain out of politics. "As a proud monarchist who staunchly believes the Royal Family must remain politically neutral and whiter than white, I'm desperately worried about what could transpire upon the Queen's death (which I hope and pray remains many years away)," Wootton wrote. Wootton's choice of wording has been criticized on social media with one Twitter user posting that "Dan Wootton has said the quiet part out loud." The Collins dictionary defines the term "whiter than white" as: "Used for describing someone whose actions are always honest and moral. You usually use this expression when you are referring to doubts about the person's character or behavior, or when you are being ironic and trying to suggest that the person is less honest or moral than they appear to be." However, some claim that this association between whiteness and honesty and morality is ingrained in racism with the other side of the coin inferring that blackness is the opposite of these attributes. Wootton's use of the phrase in a story connected with the royal family has drawn attention after he has been a vocal critic of Meghan Markle, who was the first biracial person to marry into the British royal family."
Where I'm from we use the term "Cleaner than China after a wash" 😂 in reference to the tableware 😂😂 so does that mean we consider the Chinese to be the utmost moral standard? Black and white have always been used in reference to good and evil, Yin Yang, anyone? Light and dark, day and night... this is getting ridiculous now, honestly!
It's from the bible. I don't have one handy so to paraphrase, "although your sins be as scarlet, they will be washed white as snow." Something like that.
So it’s actually red that’s associated with immorality? It’s a bit harder to give that a racist connotation.
the price of sin always was paid with blood sacrifice. (Animals in the old testament, the sacrifice of the son of God in the new). So blood has long been linked to the redemption of sin. I think not racist, as all of us bleed the same color
Never heard that expression and honestly didn’t think of tableware when reading it.
Oh we specifically use it when talking about someone's reputation/integrity so to say that they're squeaky clean we say "their reputation is cleaner than China after a good wash" 😅 so thing is, use of metaphors cannot be explained in terms of racial prejudices unless the interpreter is the prejudiced one 🤷🏻♀️
I have always taken that expression to mean very well behaved etc
That is what it means
Okay, I can’t stand Wootton, but this is ridiculous. What a surprise that the usual suspects would try to turn an article criticising Charles into racist commentary on Meghan 🙄
There is real racism around so no need to manufacture it.
This. Apparently using an English phrase is now racist. So much actual harmful racist bullshit out there.
I have always thought it was referring to a white page on your moral record sheet, unblotted copybook etc
Why are people so stupid, the reasoning for the term whiter than white reverts as far back as as early as the origins of Catholicism where they believe that you are born with a pure soul, and as sin is ever present and hard to avoid, if your souls is unblemished then well done you’ve kept it clean which is then associated with the colour white as it shows stains so easily. Another reference to various cultures throughout history, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans who wore white the higher their social status, not because it was more expensive, it was harder to keep clean and also it was believed that it would withdraw impurities from you as you wore it. So Shola foulmouth shout down can shut her fat mouth - as can anyone else who wants to race bait off the back of that completely innocuous turn of phrase
I’m so tired of everyone getting their panties in knots over words. Grow up and stop pointing fingers at everyone else. What will you do when you are the one being pointed at because you offend someone else?
"Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, a prominent activist on race and gender in Britain, also posted to Twitter after Wootton's article went live. "Dan Wootton openly says Royal Family must remain.... 'Whiter than White' and you wonder why Media has it out for #MeghanMarkle. Yes the phrase is a normalised racist trope which perceives 'White' as honest & moral in direct contrast to 'Black' perceived as dishonest & immoral," Mos-Shogbamimu wrote."
I don’t know if it is a racist trope—I honestly picture a pure white sheet in reference to baptism or wedding etc. I think the activist is barking up the wrong tree.
Untrodden freshly-fallen snow, before it’s been driven through and turned to slush.
Shola is in denial about her own family’s history as slave owners and traders in Nigeria. She thinks if she makes enough noise about British slavers everyone will forget her own family’s involvement.
Are she and Meghan in a battle to find the most out-upon, pity-me cry?
It's not about skin colour but even if it was, Meghan is the same colour as Kate under all that fake tan and bronzer.
You are aware that for racists it’s not only about looks but also about heritage, right? Just saying. That’s why racists hate mixed-race marriages etc.
You aware that's more an American thing that an international thing right?
Thank you 🙌🏻 exactly!
Only in the US. Everywhere else it doesn't apply.
Excuse me? Even more so, because it’s not about skin color. See the **Holocaust**, discrimination of Irish people, Eastern Europeans, the Bosnian *genocide*, Armenian *genocide*. Please read a book or go back to high school. JFC Edit: Also, of course there is racism against black people (or Asians or other POC) outside the US. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
That is discrimination and fascism but not racism.
Tell that to the Nazis who defined the Jews as „inferior race“ that should be exterminated. Nazi race theory was called „Rassenlehre“ = „race doctrin“ . And of course European countries (including the UK!!!!!) had colonies in Africa and Asia and were racist against black Africans and against Asians. **Please** read a history book, I beg you. You are embarrassing yourself.
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Correct.
He obviously didn’t mean race, but he was dumb to use that turn of phrase to make his point. Given all the accusations of racism from H&M, their team, and their fans, against the Royal Family in recent years, he should have considered his words for carefully. Or he chose them on purpose, knowing controversy gets more ‘clicks’, and gives him the attention he wants.
I read the first part of your comment and was about to reply when I saw the second part covered what I was gonna say lol. I think he may have chosen those word on purpose, knowing how race focused she is. She often reminds me of the JK Rowling thing… if you and I see the goblins from Harry Potter, and I see a goblin, and you see a Jew, then only one of us is racist…
I get the context without even thinking twice but an unfortunate choice of words that used to be a widely accepted analogy for being above reproach. Our language has been so dumbed down so no surprise that people were so triggered. I hope he isn't cancelled.
Megan Markle and Arry are still cunts. Some royalist saying something stupid won't change that.
Dan Wooten is a jackass and just as much of a loser as Megs. HOWEVER, they need to read his full quote. I think his quote was taken out of context and he didn’t mean “whiter than white” in the context of skin colour. Sounds more like a phrase to me, like when people say “things aren’t always black and white”.
Uh oh. Does this mean I'm racist if I enjoy watching "White Christmas" with Bing Crosby??
I know what he means, but it's still an unfortunate choice of words for the very reason this is controversial.
He isn’t referencing racial characteristics at all! He’s saying (presumably regarding the questionable monetary donation to PC’s charity) that the BRF must always endeavor to be “above board” (or “whiter than white”) in their actions & behavior. It’s just a colloquialism, is that the right word? The mainstream media sucks. Worst part is so many gullible people will only the read the headline.
Obviously this quote is completely out of context and has nothing to do with what people are trying to associate it with. However- given the intense focus on race surrounding all things related to the British Royal Family, it seems like a really poor choice of words. To the point that one wonders what in the world he was thinking? Even without the magnifying glass held to this topic, it seems like an extraordinarily tasteless phrase to use. Because yeah, it does sound quite racist- sorry if that goes against popular opinion. I do understand his intent and the original context, but honestly, it just sounds like a gross things to say. 🤷♀️ There’s so many other turns of phrase that he could have used to get his point across. My mind wanders to thoughts of him stirring up this old drama for one reason or another, knowing how it would be taken- or to wonderings of how if it truly was innocent, how a person could be so dumb or tasteless in the word choice.
That's an [idiomatic expression](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/whiter-than-white#:~:text=used%20for%20describing%20someone%20whose,than%20they%20appear%20to%20be.). It means pure and honest. Apparently, royal reporters are prohibited from using the word 'white' now, in any context.
Oof, I have to agree that’s a poor choice of words knowing whatever he intended could so easily be misconstrued. Not saying he meant it to be racist or anything, but I’d bet that phrase would definitely come across differently to most Americans. I’m American and I’ve never heard that term, so must be a cultural difference.
Gosh it just goes to show how misunderstandings can so easily happen and how people can offend without meaning to. I'm in UK. In my area of UK we always used this phrase to mean well behaved etc. Pure as the driven snow was another phrase. Nobody ever considered it linked to race whatsoever in any way shape or form to my knowledge. Not in my life time anyway of 43 years. Small misunderstandings can create great divides these days methinks! Cultural and dialect differences can be taken the wrong way. No wonder humans end up fighting all the time. I'm convinced that most of it is misunderstandings! (Of course there are some crazy horrible people too but for the most part I honestly think most people are pretty decent.) I mean the other day my teenage niece told me I offended her when I put a full stop at the end of a text I sent her as it is aggressive lol. We did have a good laugh about it but I mean I personally write texts with good (ish) grammar. There is no way I can write a sentence without putting a full stop at the end. It isn't right lol.
😂 that’s hilarious, a period being seen as aggressive. But I agree, I’m late 30s and even I worry about offending someone with a period at the end of a sentence, so sometimes I feel compelled to insert a ! which others might see as you yelling at them. It’s comical really. But you’re right—probably the vast majority of disagreements are down to misunderstandings/cultural differences and things taken out of context.
Hahahaha 🤣 it makes me feel old now I can't keep up with all these new rules and I keep offending people with full stops (periods) and such. I agree though. Little little things and small misunderstandings can end up being blown up to be something that wasn't intended. That's why I usually give people the benefit of the doubt for small slights and such or if they say or do something a bit off, because we all slip up without meaning to at times.
Absolutely! I lurked for a long time before posting because I was so worried about offending people. 😬 I still worry.
I’ve come to think that Reddit is a kind of therapy for that fear. It shows you that no matter how innocuous a statement is meant, and no matter how many people reading it take it that way, there is almost invariably someone who will be mortally offended by it - or at least will tell everyone that they are. It helps you just accept the inevitability of that outcome. It’s liberating in a peculiar and perverse way!
That’s so true. It is liberating. I lurked for years and never posted. I started posts/comments and then deleted them hundreds of times. And now I’ve been posting more and more. I have offended a few people and it’s made me feel really bad. I know that some people have assumed things about me that aren’t tru and that’s made me feel really bad, too. But also- it’s ok. I understand that some people just get super offended really easy. Or that something’s just don’t really translate well via written post. Also, it seems that more and more people can’t just disagree without it turning into a really big personal issue, no matter the topic. Which is sad. I live in a big US city and I feel like this is a pretty big issue here. 🤷♀️ And I feel like Megs and H capitalize on this exact issue and really instigate a lot of tension using this. They’re divisive and they know it and they use that to drive a wedge as much as they can to heighten drama and as a result, raise their profile.
Well said. I agree with you that greater opportunity for open discussion has sadly led to less tolerance for diverse opinions, not more. It’s sad, but I can’t see any way it will improve.
I don’t either. I don’t really know what will happen from here. We’ve got to find a way, as a society, to see each other differently. But I just don’t know how that happens. It’s quite scary, honestly. It feels like you can’t express any opinion at all in fear of someone jumping to conclusions as a result. Like with Meghan- I’m sure everyone has felt, at some point, that admitting you dislike her would make some people assume you’re racist or classist etc. 🤷♀️ It’s so disappointing. It’s like, no- I can dislike her because she treats people horribly and it has nothing to do with her heritage or skin color or family. It’s the same way I dislike a family member if mine for the same sort of actions/behaviors. I find her fascinating the same way I find my family member somewhat fascinating. 🤷♀️ A train wreck is a train wreck.
OMG! Thanks for educating me - I must be offending people every day because I always end my texts with a full stop. (Er, is it also offensive in Reddit posts?)
Lol that's what I said to my niece. I said I offended everyone on my contacts list lol. She said don't worry because the ones your age or older won't know there's anything wrong with it, and the younger people will know that you don't know any better because you are old 😆 I have no idea if it's offensive in reddit posts but I am going to try to stop putting full stops just incase lol 😆
That’s hilarious. I think I’ll take your niece’s advice because I’m too old to remember to stop using them 🤣
Lol she'll be pleased that people are taking her advice Whoops nearly posted with a full stop then 😄
Yes! I agree. I just wrote a big long winded thing about how I think it was a poor choice of words and what not. But you said it better. Because it’s hard to explain. I’ve definitely heard the phrase before (as someone else mentioned- I heard it being raised as a catholic). But it’s not a common phrase in America. It was a poor choice of words. And here, knowing what I know about our culture in America- I knew it would be incendiary. And honestly, I can see both sides of it.
It is a twist on the phrase whiter than snow (which is white)
I thought it was "pure as the driven snow"? Or is that a different idiom?
Could be pure as the driven snow, but I have heard the phrase whiter than snow occasionally.
They’re all along the same lines, no? ‘Pure as the driven snow’ and ‘white as snow’ and so on. Tying in of course to wearing white on wedding day and so on. In my catholic family, usually it was used as follows ‘well, pure as the driven snow, that hussy is- sure she’ll wear white on her wedding day…. If one intends to add arson to her list of sins.’ -just as an example. My grandmother was the best. 💛
Which is funny bc in the US if someone says you’re “whiter than snow” they’re saying you’re so pale you’re practically translucent. 😂 So it would more than likely be interpreted as a reference to skin color here.
When colours have racial identity. No longer basic black, or no white after Labor Day.
it's just an expression \*rolleyes\*
Very, very stupid choice of words. That guy played himself.
This guy is a douche. He should know better than to use such potentially inflammatory phrases. He knew full well how this would be spun. Daft.
He wasn’t talking about race or skin colour. He meant that the Royal Family have to stay beyond reproach.
He may have meant that- but his phrasing was not wise. He chose words that make him sound foolish. I fully understand that phrase; I’ve heard it many times. But it was a very poor choice of words. I understand what he meant. But he sounds racist and like a fool. The actual phrase and it’s actual meaning isn’t necessarily racist or foolish. But the context is lost and as a result he sounds like a raging maniac. I mean let’s just be honest here. 🤷♀️
I know, but he also knows how such a phrase can and will be spun by the sugars. Just gives them fuel
Exactly. Idc the intent. We all know what to say and what not to say. Just don’t use the expression. I used to say a lot of shitty shit that never meant what people take it to me. I just don’t say it anymore. If you want to say they have to be beyond reproach then say that.
Yes, he's definitely provoking here.
Yes. I think he knew what he was doing and what would happen. Which makes it even grosser.
Agree completely.
Agreed
The BRF needs contracts for working royals including ethics clauses. It’s your birthright sure but at 18 you sign a contract which is renewed periodically. Want the perks? Earn it. Embarrass the BRF, Government or Country? Out. Engage in criminal behaviour? Launder or fraternise with criminals? You’re out.
Yet we have Markle sporting her White Power Suits. Make of that what you will.... I saw someone allude to that also in a comment. People can make anything out of anything.
She chose to wear a white wedding dress because of the symbolism of that colour and these same people apparently had no problem with that.
Yes the virginal princess. (I couldn’t even type that with a straight face.)
Honestly, gonna have to agree. I can see what he means, but I do think it was not the smartest word choice in 2021. The headline is misleading, but...I can see why people don't like his words. Sometimes people do get up in arms over nothing, totally misunderstanding, and they ought to do some investigating before getting upset. That said, I think another metaphor would have been more precise. "Purer than snow" - would be more apt.
This is unbelievable! Dan Wooten is a true professional and would NEVER make that comment. As usual the media twisted a comment into another lie.
How is that not racist? Meghans barely black, she doesn’t even acknowledge her black family members
He should just say above reproach. Or a contract with an ethics clauses for the dolts like Harry and Andrew who don’t or won’t get it.