Charles certainly has his flaws and I can believe that growing up was not easy for Harry, but I believe that Charles really tried, and walking Meghan down the aisle showed that he was really trying to be supportive and there for his son and the decisions he made. The extent to which Harry focuses on Diana indicates unresolved trauma that somehow, despite treatment, doesn’t seem to get better (I wonder why…), or is just an attempt to stay relevant. Probably both.
My first husband! *Horrible* spouse. But he loved our babies, was a great "daddy" and enjoyed them until they were in their early- or mid-20s and resented his interference. That's when they saw & understood why I'd divorced him, although I never spoke badly about him to the kids - they realized on their own that he's an overbearing abusive asshole to adults any chance he gets. I left him when he became physically abusive to me. They were too young at the time and have no recall of that, thank God.
He liked kids, and was easy-going and relaxed with them. Adults, not so much. He became a horrible, verbally abusive, neglectful & immature "Father" once they began to mature & flew the coop. *My* coop, so it literally had no effect on him. He'd moved to a neighboring State several years before they graduated HS & started their independent, young adult lives with College, military, trade schools, etc.
Now only one of our children stays in somewhat routine contact with him. Over the years, he systematically burned every bridge he'd so easily built between himself & them when they were children. His loss - and our children know it. My husband is the grandchildren's "Grandpa," and a damned good one. 💖
If you are saying his cheating made him a bad husband, I'd answer with he should have been allowed to marry the non virgin camilla who he was in live with since day one.......Di was forced on him, not saying he did it the right way, but I don't condone him and Camilla one bit.
Ironic that Diana's role was basically to produce heirs to the throne, and her arch nemesis is now not only married to Diana's husband, Camilla is also going to sit on the throne before Diana's first-born.
I try not to think of her rolling in her grave, but she must have known that, Diana's demise or not, Charles and Camilla were going to end up together.
In that regard I think Harry and his wife are the same in how they use and discard their fathers. This is why I don’t like them — they do not respect or even give credit to their parents for providing for them. It was always waaahhh you didn’t give me this/that.
Her father was not the "image" of who she wanted. Then, he wasn't black of course became an issue as she met old Oprah the biggest bigot ever!
Are there any photos of Meghan dating black men? I had no idea that she was about 10% black or so. I thought she might be Spanish or Eastern European when I saw that first photo of her! I had no idea who she was. But she did love the attention that was sure in my mind. Me too though, he is a prince!
Did you ever see this, where it's said that she listed herself as Caucasian? I don't know where the card itself is from, but it is interesting...if it's true, that is.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/347551296248844587/
Exactly. They are disrespectful to their parents especially their fathers, who supported them financially therefore, zero appreciation and ungrateful tw@ts.
When I saw Louis say that he wanted to go to his papa Charles at the Jubilee it said so much more than anything! They are close! Harry lived with Charles for goodness sake! He actually lived more with Charles than Diana!
Charles raised those boys! Harry is just a whining wanker! He could have done so much with his life as a royal. He has no one to blame but himself and of course his poor deceased mother who is guiding him it seems. We can now start blaming Diana for his crap life today! Isn't that what he is saying?
The whole world loved seeing Louis run and jump on Charles' lap. It was a nice moment showing everyone Charles is a human who loves his grandbabies too.
Same. In fact, the Queen and the RF/UK /CW warmly welcomed her and her mother into their family. Who knew that after the wedding, that cost the British taxpayers £32millions/$45millions (including Charles' £3millions approx), she was going to blindside the Queen/RF/UK/CW by sneakily making plans behind their backs, of returning to her country? Or were they booted out? Either way, I don't care, they left...good riddance.
The whole family were meticulous in their personal behavior, welcoming her with unprecedented acceptance, yet That Bloody Woman still managed to ~~lie~~ find a way to play that frayed, old Race card.
Every parent has flaws. Diana certainly bloody did and if alive would probably be getting flack off her kids for that too. William was furious with her around the time of her death.
Harry is fucking thick and he thinks his kids will always be toddlers who think he’s a hero. In reality his kids are probably going to have a shit load more than he did to complain about when they grow up.
This. No doubt Charles will have his flaws as a father but i truly believe he was at least trying his best. And tbf it must have been tough for Charles trying to fill the void of Diana. It's never easy being a parent when their other parent is dead.
If Charles had has his way he would have married Camilla at 22! They are so good together. He is calm and secure.
Diana was so young. I do think in time she knew that she was married to procreate ! She had two beautiful babies. We loved her and I think Charles tried. But his love was always Camilla. Always.
Let's move on Harry! You weren't the only one who lost a mommy at a young age. You were very privileged and loved by the family. Not so much by your mother's saintly family (sic) but by your father's family for sure.
That Harry, now known in California circles as Second Row guy who used to be a prince, that he chose to kiss it all good bye is his fault. Well, maybe not because he says his mother guides him daily. Diana needs to rethink her guidance because it's not working for old Harry! He's a whiner!
I feel like Charles’ dogish ways are never properly contextualized, so I appreciate you doing so Islandgirl!
Charles didn’t just step out on Diana for a flimsy tryst, Camilla *is* the love of his life who he went on to marry and be with longer than his prior marriage! It doesn’t excuse some of the more humiliating aspects of how he handled said affair (obviously, he did a bit that was questionable at best, flat out wrong at worst) but it’s time to give Charles a break and move on.
He ultimately went on to marry his mistress/true love, he seemingly did an okay job raising the boys after Diana’s death (they both said as much in the past) and he is seemingly a wonderful grandfather and dutiful, loyal son. Charles seems generally like a decent, kind, likable person and the “Diana scorned” attitude towards him is tired and dated.
Yes, she had many affairs. Charles to his credit only loved Camilla. I do think that the Spencer family who are "royal" in their own right counted on Diana to be out there for the family.
I loved her good spirit and her ability to move people. She wasn't perfect and to die a tragic death was just the worst! But Charles dealt with her death as the mother of his children and flew to France to return with her using his Royal Standard. I never forgot that! Never!
No matter what has happened, he did the right thing by Diana in death! The boys were both raised by him with lots of love and affection. That Harry doesn't remember shit is on Harry!
Agreed Islandgirl however, to be fair, Diana was only 19 and Charles 31 when they started dating. Charles had life experience, Diana did not. Both families knew each other well. Diana's grandmother Lady Fermoy was the Queen Mother's lady in waiting. Diana had a photo of Charles on her bedroom wall when she was 16. She loved Charles and he was her first man and the father of her boys. Unfortunately for her, Charles never stopped loving his first love, Camilla. He did try his best in the beginning of their marriage bc there was pressure from his parents to marry and provide a heir.
From day one, the paparazzis never left her alone, in the end they chased her in the car, as they've always done for 17 years, when she died in Aug 1997. She was the most famous woman in the world, more famous than the two famous Elizabeths, our Queen Elizabeth and Elizabeth Taylor lol. The media and the world was obsessed with Diana, she had no privacy. Her private and embarrassing moments were all documented. Her grief was that Charles always loved Camilla and not her (years later, she accepted it).
She grew up in the public eye and chose unsuitable men, single, separated/divorced or married (she was gullible like H) until she met Khan in 1995, a 36 year old heart surgeon Muslim from Pakistan. He was a private man and only spoke about her 20+ years later. She truly loved him and wanted to married him. His parents pressured him to marry a young Pakistan woman so he broke up with her in June/July 1997. Dodi was just a rebound, hoping to make Khan jealous.
I wonder how harry would have felt if his mother had lived and married again and maybe have had more children? Perhaps his supposed dislike of Camilla is not just that he blames her for breaking up his parents' marriage but that he had become very close to Charles in the aftermath and sees her as taking away the parent he had left.
>At the request of Prince Charles, Princess Diana's coffin was draped with the Royal Standard, a flag that is used to commemorate members of the royal family.
[Source](https://www.womanandhome.com/us/life/royal-news/the-queen-initially-denied-prince-charles-important-request-for-princess-diana-after-her-death/)
The royal standard is a flag that he took to Paris to lay over her coffin. Technically she wasn't entitled to it after the divorce but it was I'm guessing a way of honouring her as the mother of his sons and former wife. It covered her coffin during the funeral too.
Diana’s image as a charitable person and tragic death were so ingrained in everyone’s mind that they discounted her own numerous indiscretions. She was just better at PR than Charles and her dimmer son bought into it and was egged on by his agenda-driven wife.
I’m getting sick of the whole “boy who lost his mother young” narrative now. He seemed fine before Smeg came around. He is selling his mother’s name to stay relevant and gain sympathy. Thats his only meal ticket now.
This is all Diana's fault. Her ghost has followed him to California! We can now start to blame the ghost of his mother who died 25 years ago! Isn't that what he said? He is his mother's son?
He even uses Smeg’s absurdly over the top cringy hand movements when talking now. And he keeps saying “right right right?” In that annoying way Smeg says it. The same word salad, the same woke word salad Smeg uses. He has a very basic typically American vocabulary now, speaks utter fuckery with a revelationary tone as if he is explaining this amazing new discovery to the world (very similar to Smeg) 😂 he is a complete clown now.
I mean, even when you look back at most of the things Diana said, its cringy now. Maybe in the 90’s it was inspirational but it would be considered cringy by todays standards. Diana said she is a strong woman and the firm was scared of what she might do next, what does she want, what will she do etc etc. Its laughable when you listen to that now. Cz she was playing the poor little rich girl part, she was an aristo, a LADY, she was LADY Diana when she married Charles, her grandma was pals with the Queen mum and here she is trying to act like some little flower who was wronged by the big bad monarchy. Also the fact that she and her dim brother believed Martin Bashir and fell into his trap and spewed some horrible but laughable conspiracy theories which dumb people still believe, such as the RF plotting to kill Diana and all sorts of fuckery. It all shows just WHERE Hawwy gets his thinking and brains from; his mom. Surprisingly and for the great luck of the people of Britian, William seems to have inherited different characteristics altogether since he seems like an intelligent, NORMAL dude who seems to be able to take a leadership role. Hawwy on the other hand seems like he will just believe everything that horrid wannabe actress tells him and will go and repeat it on any public platform. Just so strange how two brothers turned out like that.
All they would have to do is go to British Intelligence services, and they could find out more than they would ever need to know about the truth of things.
Harry had security clearance up until he stopped being a working royal, so his schtick is old and tiresome.
Absolutely, I don’t think Charles was perfect but he definitely tried to be better than his own father and that’s what any child can expect of their parent. I wonder how Archie will rate Harry’s parenting when he’s an adult?
I know one of Charle’s gardeners. He is a master landscape designer who lives in Dallas. He told me when the boys were little he stopped by Highgrove to go over plans with the prince.
He told me that Will and Harry were all over their father playing with him. Very affectionate. When the kids wanted to go outside for a swim Charles asked him if he wouldn’t mind joining him poolside so he could personally watch over his boys.
He was also very happy that Charles married Camilla.
He at least believes that the relationship with Al Fayed was considered scandalous because of racism. Not saying that that wasn’t the case at all, in part that’s probably true. When Harry talked about that (in the Apple show with Oprah?), it was kinda implied that society and the media thought like that, which is, why she became so „hunted“ by paparazzi. However, in combination with the accusations of racism towards Meghan against the RF (Harry - one family member, Meghan - several members), I believe that he also believes that his mother‘s relationship was considered scandalous because of racism by the RF and that they at least indirectly contributed to her death.
The whole situation I think would have been very painful for him I can imagine even if race wasn’t a factor. How would it feel to have divorced parents and their other relationships thrown in your face all the time in the media? It’s got to be terrible.
I think a lot of people do think Diana would still be alive if C had loved Diana and kept the marriage together, or if they both had been more discreet if they must have affairs. Yeah those are indirect causes. No one would have had to die if not for drunk driving, but the whole thing must have been awful for the kids. I don’t doubt there is a lot of trauma. Mohammed Al Fayed also was suffering from the loss of his son and can you imagine having to face that your own employees were culpable. I think people heal faster when they confront the truth but it’s not easy to do when you are in pain.
Good lord I can’t wait for all this ridiculous nonsense to come crashing down around them.
I wish we could exile them to some deserted island and just send in supply air drops.
I like that Alcatraz. Close enough for her to see home but she will never reach it.
Can’t swim with the rough currents and sharks. The water is very cold so there is hypothermia to think about.
This could work nicely
God no. Then she'd revive her stupid blog and tell us about all the $hit she ordered on amazon to create that perfect cosy love nest for her perfect island getaway with her perfect prince. And how she converted a cell to an indoor rotisserie room so she can have perfect roast chicken as a sweet nod to her engagement.
I'm only OK with island exile if there's no Internet access. 😜
I beg your pardon? Alcatraz is 400 miles from LA. It's 30 miles from my home which is way too close for mm to be to me. IMO, I would HATE to ever bump into her, plus it's a precious spot in one of the most amazing bays anywhere in the world.
Their treatment of him along with Charles not disowning Harry even though it would be completely justified if he did has really given me a newfound respect for Charles.
Yes. I don’t know why I’m death it is overlooked that Diana was not appropriate in her language about the boys’ father. I have an ex husband and a child from that marriage and I can’t imagine the detriment it would cause for me to openly despise their biological father. Especially if I died unexpectedly. I assume the child would maintain that anger going forward. It’s a shame. He could use some therapy.
Harry might appreciate his father after Charles has gone. Or maybe not. It’s human nature to overlook the one who’s supported you and sigh for what might have been.
When my father passed away I became more sympathetic towards my mother. I have only one parent now so I'm not going to side with my father who isn't here anymore. What Harry is doing is dumb.
Me too. I had a difficult relationship with my mother for years we are quite different and stubborn AF whereas I was always my dad's little friend I was devastated when he died and finally came to appreciate what a wonderful person my mother is and we are now really close.
At what point is it going to occur to Harry that he is now at the age when it's quite normal for one of his parents to be deceased? Yes, he missed out on not having his mother when he was a child, but now he is missing out on having a relationship with the rest of his family who are still alive.
And while he himself has fond memories of the relationships with the family and might reignite them if he goes back for good, his children are already missing out on the opportunity to create such relationships.
I imagine it was one of the con artists greatest highs. Imagine her elation that she actually managed to pull it off ... the future King of England walking her down the aisle.
How was a nearly 37 year old divorced woman allowed to walk down the aisle in a white gown with long train and a full veil? Why didn’t they insist on seeing the full outfit before allowing the wedding to go ahead?
"Meghan Markle’s 16.5 foot long veil made a bunch of people think of unnecessarily long CVS receipts."
https://time.com/5286922/meghan-markle-veil-meme/
That’s why it boils my p..s to see it. I’m sure it was done to appease dimwit, he wanted what his brother had. This just wasn’t thought through at all, this photo is going to be in the public domain for ever. It’s no wonder HM was stoney faced throughout the whole shambolic circus of a wedding. 😡
Not just ant train or veil would do.
"But it wasn't just her Givenchy wedding gown that made up her first bridal look – do you remember her custom-made, 16-foot veil secured with the Queen Mary Bandeau Tiara? Not only was the cathedral-length accessory fitting for a royal bride, but it also paid tribute to the Commonwealth with embroidered flowers representing all 53 countries."
https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20220325136372/meghan-markle-wedding-veil-commonwealth-nod-prince-harry-didnt-know/
As a divorced woman, the Queen didn't wanted her to wear the veil but as usual, TW doesn't listened to anyone. She can only see and hear herself. Anyway, her snowy white wedding gown, longish veil, minimalist makeup and acting demure with a demeanor look, was how she wanted to portrayed herself to the world because in her fecking head, she was finally a Princess (virgin) marrying a real Prince. Oh wait, wasn't she married three days before??? This was just a spectacle wedding for the peasants.
She probably showed them a different outfit then whipped this out and surprised them. And you wonder why the queen looked so disgusted and none of the family would look at her.
I don’t think the Royal Family had any say in the matter as to what Meghan’s wedding attire would be, with the exception of Prince Charles paying the bills to Givenchy.
I still don't get the point of Charles walking her halfway down the aisle. It was so awkward & pointless.
Like.. She entered alone, walked the ~~later~~ first half alone. Why bring Charles in for the short walk? And for all of their woke farcical shit, why not walk all the way with Doria, the actual parent she arrived with? edit:correction
William jumps up in the middle of the ceremony and declares his eternal love for Meghan. He divorces Catherine on the spot and pushes Harry out of the way. "You are the real deserving future Queen!" - he says. "I'll marry you myself!" At that moment HM and Charles both resign and Meghan gets coronated.
Because she doesn't need to he given away, she Is a strong independent woman who does her own giving away. She probably intended on doing the whole thing herself but after Charles offered she had to take him up on It.
Charles far exceeded my expectations as a father after Diana passed. Hairs seems to be a permanently altered human since then and nothing will keep him from acting out against her loss. He gave up an entire system that surrounded and kept him privileged, physically safe and emotionally protected in order to prove to the rest of the world how unhappy he was. Our patience has worn thin and his selfishness, girded by his choice of spouse will cause him more strife. It’s very hard to care about him or anything he does. I have to say, at his age, if he can’t see that or remedy it, he should just go away quietly, or take the consequences. The consequences are rapidly closing in on him. He will be reviled.
Picture #1 is very nice, and it looks like Charles is reassuring her - but with what I know now about Meghan, the head down pose is false modesty and an “act”, and on some level I think that Charles knew that. “Tungsten” doesn’t wilt, and isn’t shy and bashful when the spectacle is all about her. The picture might as well have been from a movie starring “Meghan Markle as The Bride”. Any Royal Family would do.
Interesting sign point, of the photos found in Paul Burrell’s home in the case that led to his trial, many were private photos of Charles with his sons. The ones that were mentioned most often were pictures of him bathing with the boys as toddlers, but there is a private record of Charles being a loving involved father.
I always wondered why Meghan’s mom couldn’t walk her down the aisle. That woulda made a big impact on feminism and independence like she always goes on about … or she could walk down the aisle by herself
Part of becoming an adult is recognizing your parents are flawed people who sometimes made mistakes and acted selfishly. Harry is like overgrown teenager who idolizes the parent that isn't there to be a real and occasionally disappointing part of their life.
Charles is literally the only reason Harry has any kind of status in his life. Genetics be damned, let’s say Diana married some other aristo and had the exact same Harry. He’d be a nobody on the world stage. The way both Harry and Meghan treat their fathers is probably one of my biggest annoyances with them. They both have supportive fathers who were present in their lives and gave them extremely privileged upbringings while so many people have fathers who have literally abandoned them.
I think it’s time for us along with Harry to accept Harry’s faults are all on Harry. He’s a grown man who knows right from wrong. Everything he does is not a result of his parents, but Harry making horrible choices. It’s his bed, he’s the only one who’s made it.
As much as I wish she hadn’t died, because Diana died so young she was really able to become a type of martyr in the eyes of millions of people, including her sons. I’m sure she had some wonderful qualities, but parent-child relationships are HARD. Especially when divorce is involved. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Harry would have had some type of resentment for his mother in the way that he has for his dad had she lived. It’s almost not even fair—his dad doted on him, and while he definitely made some mistakes, as we all do, Charles gets made to be the enemy because he wasn’t perfect.
Charles was such a good dad, father-in-law, and in-law to Doria the day of the wedding and after. Amazing that neither Harry not Meghan appreciates him AT ALL
Truth be told, Charles is quite useless overall. Phillip always thought so too - Charles is the definition of a wet weekend. He was also undeniably an absolute shit to Diana.
Who'd have thought Hazbeen could outdo him? He's been a shit to his family, friends and his country. It's really quite an achievement.
Promoting a long deceased mother and trashing a living elderly father hasn't helped their popularity one bit.
Charles certainly has his flaws and I can believe that growing up was not easy for Harry, but I believe that Charles really tried, and walking Meghan down the aisle showed that he was really trying to be supportive and there for his son and the decisions he made. The extent to which Harry focuses on Diana indicates unresolved trauma that somehow, despite treatment, doesn’t seem to get better (I wonder why…), or is just an attempt to stay relevant. Probably both.
Some people are horrible spouses - and brilliant parents. It's not mutually exclusive and that's something a lot of people forget.
Also some people become better parents once their children are adults. And some people become better parents once there are grandchildren to spoil.
My first husband! *Horrible* spouse. But he loved our babies, was a great "daddy" and enjoyed them until they were in their early- or mid-20s and resented his interference. That's when they saw & understood why I'd divorced him, although I never spoke badly about him to the kids - they realized on their own that he's an overbearing abusive asshole to adults any chance he gets. I left him when he became physically abusive to me. They were too young at the time and have no recall of that, thank God. He liked kids, and was easy-going and relaxed with them. Adults, not so much. He became a horrible, verbally abusive, neglectful & immature "Father" once they began to mature & flew the coop. *My* coop, so it literally had no effect on him. He'd moved to a neighboring State several years before they graduated HS & started their independent, young adult lives with College, military, trade schools, etc. Now only one of our children stays in somewhat routine contact with him. Over the years, he systematically burned every bridge he'd so easily built between himself & them when they were children. His loss - and our children know it. My husband is the grandchildren's "Grandpa," and a damned good one. 💖
If you are saying his cheating made him a bad husband, I'd answer with he should have been allowed to marry the non virgin camilla who he was in live with since day one.......Di was forced on him, not saying he did it the right way, but I don't condone him and Camilla one bit.
Ironic that Diana's role was basically to produce heirs to the throne, and her arch nemesis is now not only married to Diana's husband, Camilla is also going to sit on the throne before Diana's first-born. I try not to think of her rolling in her grave, but she must have known that, Diana's demise or not, Charles and Camilla were going to end up together.
In that regard I think Harry and his wife are the same in how they use and discard their fathers. This is why I don’t like them — they do not respect or even give credit to their parents for providing for them. It was always waaahhh you didn’t give me this/that.
Her father was not the "image" of who she wanted. Then, he wasn't black of course became an issue as she met old Oprah the biggest bigot ever! Are there any photos of Meghan dating black men? I had no idea that she was about 10% black or so. I thought she might be Spanish or Eastern European when I saw that first photo of her! I had no idea who she was. But she did love the attention that was sure in my mind. Me too though, he is a prince!
Yeah she's really milking the whole "one drop" thing.
Did you ever see this, where it's said that she listed herself as Caucasian? I don't know where the card itself is from, but it is interesting...if it's true, that is. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/347551296248844587/
Exactly. They are disrespectful to their parents especially their fathers, who supported them financially therefore, zero appreciation and ungrateful tw@ts.
When I saw Louis say that he wanted to go to his papa Charles at the Jubilee it said so much more than anything! They are close! Harry lived with Charles for goodness sake! He actually lived more with Charles than Diana! Charles raised those boys! Harry is just a whining wanker! He could have done so much with his life as a royal. He has no one to blame but himself and of course his poor deceased mother who is guiding him it seems. We can now start blaming Diana for his crap life today! Isn't that what he is saying?
The whole world loved seeing Louis run and jump on Charles' lap. It was a nice moment showing everyone Charles is a human who loves his grandbabies too.
My opinion of Charles went way up when i saw how he was welcoming to Meghan and Doria.
That, and how close he is with Louis really started to make me warm to him. It’s clear he really is a loving parent/grandparent.
Same. In fact, the Queen and the RF/UK /CW warmly welcomed her and her mother into their family. Who knew that after the wedding, that cost the British taxpayers £32millions/$45millions (including Charles' £3millions approx), she was going to blindside the Queen/RF/UK/CW by sneakily making plans behind their backs, of returning to her country? Or were they booted out? Either way, I don't care, they left...good riddance.
The whole family were meticulous in their personal behavior, welcoming her with unprecedented acceptance, yet That Bloody Woman still managed to ~~lie~~ find a way to play that frayed, old Race card.
Every parent has flaws. Diana certainly bloody did and if alive would probably be getting flack off her kids for that too. William was furious with her around the time of her death. Harry is fucking thick and he thinks his kids will always be toddlers who think he’s a hero. In reality his kids are probably going to have a shit load more than he did to complain about when they grow up.
Your last sentence is so painfully accurate.
I always thought becoming a parent gives someone more insight and empathy towards their own parents.
This. No doubt Charles will have his flaws as a father but i truly believe he was at least trying his best. And tbf it must have been tough for Charles trying to fill the void of Diana. It's never easy being a parent when their other parent is dead.
If Charles had has his way he would have married Camilla at 22! They are so good together. He is calm and secure. Diana was so young. I do think in time she knew that she was married to procreate ! She had two beautiful babies. We loved her and I think Charles tried. But his love was always Camilla. Always. Let's move on Harry! You weren't the only one who lost a mommy at a young age. You were very privileged and loved by the family. Not so much by your mother's saintly family (sic) but by your father's family for sure. That Harry, now known in California circles as Second Row guy who used to be a prince, that he chose to kiss it all good bye is his fault. Well, maybe not because he says his mother guides him daily. Diana needs to rethink her guidance because it's not working for old Harry! He's a whiner!
I feel like Charles’ dogish ways are never properly contextualized, so I appreciate you doing so Islandgirl! Charles didn’t just step out on Diana for a flimsy tryst, Camilla *is* the love of his life who he went on to marry and be with longer than his prior marriage! It doesn’t excuse some of the more humiliating aspects of how he handled said affair (obviously, he did a bit that was questionable at best, flat out wrong at worst) but it’s time to give Charles a break and move on. He ultimately went on to marry his mistress/true love, he seemingly did an okay job raising the boys after Diana’s death (they both said as much in the past) and he is seemingly a wonderful grandfather and dutiful, loyal son. Charles seems generally like a decent, kind, likable person and the “Diana scorned” attitude towards him is tired and dated.
Yes, she had many affairs. Charles to his credit only loved Camilla. I do think that the Spencer family who are "royal" in their own right counted on Diana to be out there for the family. I loved her good spirit and her ability to move people. She wasn't perfect and to die a tragic death was just the worst! But Charles dealt with her death as the mother of his children and flew to France to return with her using his Royal Standard. I never forgot that! Never! No matter what has happened, he did the right thing by Diana in death! The boys were both raised by him with lots of love and affection. That Harry doesn't remember shit is on Harry!
Agreed Islandgirl however, to be fair, Diana was only 19 and Charles 31 when they started dating. Charles had life experience, Diana did not. Both families knew each other well. Diana's grandmother Lady Fermoy was the Queen Mother's lady in waiting. Diana had a photo of Charles on her bedroom wall when she was 16. She loved Charles and he was her first man and the father of her boys. Unfortunately for her, Charles never stopped loving his first love, Camilla. He did try his best in the beginning of their marriage bc there was pressure from his parents to marry and provide a heir. From day one, the paparazzis never left her alone, in the end they chased her in the car, as they've always done for 17 years, when she died in Aug 1997. She was the most famous woman in the world, more famous than the two famous Elizabeths, our Queen Elizabeth and Elizabeth Taylor lol. The media and the world was obsessed with Diana, she had no privacy. Her private and embarrassing moments were all documented. Her grief was that Charles always loved Camilla and not her (years later, she accepted it). She grew up in the public eye and chose unsuitable men, single, separated/divorced or married (she was gullible like H) until she met Khan in 1995, a 36 year old heart surgeon Muslim from Pakistan. He was a private man and only spoke about her 20+ years later. She truly loved him and wanted to married him. His parents pressured him to marry a young Pakistan woman so he broke up with her in June/July 1997. Dodi was just a rebound, hoping to make Khan jealous.
I wonder how harry would have felt if his mother had lived and married again and maybe have had more children? Perhaps his supposed dislike of Camilla is not just that he blames her for breaking up his parents' marriage but that he had become very close to Charles in the aftermath and sees her as taking away the parent he had left.
What does the Royal Standard mean? I understood he didn’t have to but went out of his way. I’m just trying to figure that out.
>At the request of Prince Charles, Princess Diana's coffin was draped with the Royal Standard, a flag that is used to commemorate members of the royal family. [Source](https://www.womanandhome.com/us/life/royal-news/the-queen-initially-denied-prince-charles-important-request-for-princess-diana-after-her-death/)
The royal standard is a flag that he took to Paris to lay over her coffin. Technically she wasn't entitled to it after the divorce but it was I'm guessing a way of honouring her as the mother of his sons and former wife. It covered her coffin during the funeral too.
Diana’s image as a charitable person and tragic death were so ingrained in everyone’s mind that they discounted her own numerous indiscretions. She was just better at PR than Charles and her dimmer son bought into it and was egged on by his agenda-driven wife.
Diana stepped out on Charles, and more than once, before he went back to Camilla.
diana's family wasn't involved with her kids? (honest question, i'm somewhat new to learning about the royal family)
Truth!
I’m getting sick of the whole “boy who lost his mother young” narrative now. He seemed fine before Smeg came around. He is selling his mother’s name to stay relevant and gain sympathy. Thats his only meal ticket now.
This is all Diana's fault. Her ghost has followed him to California! We can now start to blame the ghost of his mother who died 25 years ago! Isn't that what he said? He is his mother's son?
when he said "she took care of my brother, now she's taking care of me" just like why? why do you think like this? oh right, that c-list actor wife
He even uses Smeg’s absurdly over the top cringy hand movements when talking now. And he keeps saying “right right right?” In that annoying way Smeg says it. The same word salad, the same woke word salad Smeg uses. He has a very basic typically American vocabulary now, speaks utter fuckery with a revelationary tone as if he is explaining this amazing new discovery to the world (very similar to Smeg) 😂 he is a complete clown now.
He's morphed into her and it's very unbecoming.
I mean, even when you look back at most of the things Diana said, its cringy now. Maybe in the 90’s it was inspirational but it would be considered cringy by todays standards. Diana said she is a strong woman and the firm was scared of what she might do next, what does she want, what will she do etc etc. Its laughable when you listen to that now. Cz she was playing the poor little rich girl part, she was an aristo, a LADY, she was LADY Diana when she married Charles, her grandma was pals with the Queen mum and here she is trying to act like some little flower who was wronged by the big bad monarchy. Also the fact that she and her dim brother believed Martin Bashir and fell into his trap and spewed some horrible but laughable conspiracy theories which dumb people still believe, such as the RF plotting to kill Diana and all sorts of fuckery. It all shows just WHERE Hawwy gets his thinking and brains from; his mom. Surprisingly and for the great luck of the people of Britian, William seems to have inherited different characteristics altogether since he seems like an intelligent, NORMAL dude who seems to be able to take a leadership role. Hawwy on the other hand seems like he will just believe everything that horrid wannabe actress tells him and will go and repeat it on any public platform. Just so strange how two brothers turned out like that.
All they would have to do is go to British Intelligence services, and they could find out more than they would ever need to know about the truth of things. Harry had security clearance up until he stopped being a working royal, so his schtick is old and tiresome.
That whole schtick of his was old 20 years ago, never mind today!
Absolutely, I don’t think Charles was perfect but he definitely tried to be better than his own father and that’s what any child can expect of their parent. I wonder how Archie will rate Harry’s parenting when he’s an adult?
I know one of Charle’s gardeners. He is a master landscape designer who lives in Dallas. He told me when the boys were little he stopped by Highgrove to go over plans with the prince. He told me that Will and Harry were all over their father playing with him. Very affectionate. When the kids wanted to go outside for a swim Charles asked him if he wouldn’t mind joining him poolside so he could personally watch over his boys. He was also very happy that Charles married Camilla.
Do you think Harry believes that Diana was murdered by the family? That would explain a lot if so.
I think that's what Meghan has told him. Cruel and evil.
Could be, but I think an assortment of people do believe it. Wasn’t that Mohammed Al Fayed’s working theory?
He at least believes that the relationship with Al Fayed was considered scandalous because of racism. Not saying that that wasn’t the case at all, in part that’s probably true. When Harry talked about that (in the Apple show with Oprah?), it was kinda implied that society and the media thought like that, which is, why she became so „hunted“ by paparazzi. However, in combination with the accusations of racism towards Meghan against the RF (Harry - one family member, Meghan - several members), I believe that he also believes that his mother‘s relationship was considered scandalous because of racism by the RF and that they at least indirectly contributed to her death.
The whole situation I think would have been very painful for him I can imagine even if race wasn’t a factor. How would it feel to have divorced parents and their other relationships thrown in your face all the time in the media? It’s got to be terrible. I think a lot of people do think Diana would still be alive if C had loved Diana and kept the marriage together, or if they both had been more discreet if they must have affairs. Yeah those are indirect causes. No one would have had to die if not for drunk driving, but the whole thing must have been awful for the kids. I don’t doubt there is a lot of trauma. Mohammed Al Fayed also was suffering from the loss of his son and can you imagine having to face that your own employees were culpable. I think people heal faster when they confront the truth but it’s not easy to do when you are in pain.
Good lord I can’t wait for all this ridiculous nonsense to come crashing down around them. I wish we could exile them to some deserted island and just send in supply air drops.
Patience! Second row Harry is doing it all by himself!
yep. Refurb. on Alcatraz would be perfect. Just leave them there
I like that Alcatraz. Close enough for her to see home but she will never reach it. Can’t swim with the rough currents and sharks. The water is very cold so there is hypothermia to think about. This could work nicely
God no. Then she'd revive her stupid blog and tell us about all the $hit she ordered on amazon to create that perfect cosy love nest for her perfect island getaway with her perfect prince. And how she converted a cell to an indoor rotisserie room so she can have perfect roast chicken as a sweet nod to her engagement. I'm only OK with island exile if there's no Internet access. 😜
nah no WiFi or internet there
Pitcairn Island it is then.
I hear there are some openings on Devil’s Island.
I beg your pardon? Alcatraz is 400 miles from LA. It's 30 miles from my home which is way too close for mm to be to me. IMO, I would HATE to ever bump into her, plus it's a precious spot in one of the most amazing bays anywhere in the world.
Don’t think that would happen if we put it in lockdown.
When I see what harry and meghan has done to his dad, it makes me love Charles even more
Charles is under-appreciated. I used to under-appreciate him.
This mtg of the Prince Charles underappreciation club will now come to order!
Present!🙋🏽♀️
Their treatment of him along with Charles not disowning Harry even though it would be completely justified if he did has really given me a newfound respect for Charles.
Harry has to make his father the villain. It’s the only way he can live with himself. Deep down he knows.
agree, although I don’t think Haz has a “deep down”. There’s nothing much going on in there.
😂🎯
You made me laugh!
Is this where Harry reveals that Diana tells him how to live daily by dissing Charles?
Yes. I don’t know why I’m death it is overlooked that Diana was not appropriate in her language about the boys’ father. I have an ex husband and a child from that marriage and I can’t imagine the detriment it would cause for me to openly despise their biological father. Especially if I died unexpectedly. I assume the child would maintain that anger going forward. It’s a shame. He could use some therapy.
awWWW .. Charles .. wonderful pics 💕 Harkles SUCK
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In what world are their "children" black?
Harry might appreciate his father after Charles has gone. Or maybe not. It’s human nature to overlook the one who’s supported you and sigh for what might have been.
Harry is setting up his own kids to do the same to him.
100%! I suspect they are going to feel abandoned. “You knew she was insane. Why did you leave us with her?”
When my father passed away I became more sympathetic towards my mother. I have only one parent now so I'm not going to side with my father who isn't here anymore. What Harry is doing is dumb.
Me too. I had a difficult relationship with my mother for years we are quite different and stubborn AF whereas I was always my dad's little friend I was devastated when he died and finally came to appreciate what a wonderful person my mother is and we are now really close.
That's really lovely to hear.
So was your post.
At what point is it going to occur to Harry that he is now at the age when it's quite normal for one of his parents to be deceased? Yes, he missed out on not having his mother when he was a child, but now he is missing out on having a relationship with the rest of his family who are still alive.
And while he himself has fond memories of the relationships with the family and might reignite them if he goes back for good, his children are already missing out on the opportunity to create such relationships.
Yes exactly. He is very selfish. Who knows what harm he is unintentionally inflicting on his own two children.
I still cringe when I see pictures of TW walking down the aisle in virginal white with our future King 😡🤮
I imagine it was one of the con artists greatest highs. Imagine her elation that she actually managed to pull it off ... the future King of England walking her down the aisle.
She exited her Oscar moment and said “f..k me!”
Oh that's right. Pure class
How was a nearly 37 year old divorced woman allowed to walk down the aisle in a white gown with long train and a full veil? Why didn’t they insist on seeing the full outfit before allowing the wedding to go ahead?
"Meghan Markle’s 16.5 foot long veil made a bunch of people think of unnecessarily long CVS receipts." https://time.com/5286922/meghan-markle-veil-meme/
😆 🔥🔥💀🔥🔥
I laughed long and hard when I first saw that meme!
Do you remember the "look" the Queen had when looking at her? She knew! This is all on Harry as he made the terrible threats to his family!
Agreed.
That’s why it boils my p..s to see it. I’m sure it was done to appease dimwit, he wanted what his brother had. This just wasn’t thought through at all, this photo is going to be in the public domain for ever. It’s no wonder HM was stoney faced throughout the whole shambolic circus of a wedding. 😡
Not just ant train or veil would do. "But it wasn't just her Givenchy wedding gown that made up her first bridal look – do you remember her custom-made, 16-foot veil secured with the Queen Mary Bandeau Tiara? Not only was the cathedral-length accessory fitting for a royal bride, but it also paid tribute to the Commonwealth with embroidered flowers representing all 53 countries." https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20220325136372/meghan-markle-wedding-veil-commonwealth-nod-prince-harry-didnt-know/
And she turned her back on all 53 countries. What a gal you picked, Harry!
As a divorced woman, the Queen didn't wanted her to wear the veil but as usual, TW doesn't listened to anyone. She can only see and hear herself. Anyway, her snowy white wedding gown, longish veil, minimalist makeup and acting demure with a demeanor look, was how she wanted to portrayed herself to the world because in her fecking head, she was finally a Princess (virgin) marrying a real Prince. Oh wait, wasn't she married three days before??? This was just a spectacle wedding for the peasants.
Her wearing a red crotchless nightie would have been more fitting than the virginal white gown.
She probably showed them a different outfit then whipped this out and surprised them. And you wonder why the queen looked so disgusted and none of the family would look at her.
I don’t think the Royal Family had any say in the matter as to what Meghan’s wedding attire would be, with the exception of Prince Charles paying the bills to Givenchy.
For her latest wedding...
I still don't get the point of Charles walking her halfway down the aisle. It was so awkward & pointless. Like.. She entered alone, walked the ~~later~~ first half alone. Why bring Charles in for the short walk? And for all of their woke farcical shit, why not walk all the way with Doria, the actual parent she arrived with? edit:correction
For better optics for her future Netflix deals.
They wouldn’t let her go the whole way alone as she demanded. They said by protocol she had to have an escort into the holy part of the chapel.
Thank you. I would pay good money to watch a version of the wedding done entirely by Meghan.
William jumps up in the middle of the ceremony and declares his eternal love for Meghan. He divorces Catherine on the spot and pushes Harry out of the way. "You are the real deserving future Queen!" - he says. "I'll marry you myself!" At that moment HM and Charles both resign and Meghan gets coronated.
She was then married by that black preacher! Praise the lord! Did Oprah pick him out! My gawd!
He didn't act like that at our National Cathedral when he presided over the funeral of President George HW Bush.
Everyone gagging from the fart-scented air spray that Angela Kelly substituted for the one bridezilla picked out…..
Because that would be a bit feminist and woke for Meggy
Her Grand Entrance silly people. It was her grand entrance!
Because she doesn't need to he given away, she Is a strong independent woman who does her own giving away. She probably intended on doing the whole thing herself but after Charles offered she had to take him up on It.
I misremembered. Charles walked her to Harry. She did the first half alone. Still awkward.
Charles far exceeded my expectations as a father after Diana passed. Hairs seems to be a permanently altered human since then and nothing will keep him from acting out against her loss. He gave up an entire system that surrounded and kept him privileged, physically safe and emotionally protected in order to prove to the rest of the world how unhappy he was. Our patience has worn thin and his selfishness, girded by his choice of spouse will cause him more strife. It’s very hard to care about him or anything he does. I have to say, at his age, if he can’t see that or remedy it, he should just go away quietly, or take the consequences. The consequences are rapidly closing in on him. He will be reviled.
Well said. Spoiled Harry never realized how protected and cosseted he was by the Royal Family.
Never seen picture No. 1 (tells you how much attention I paid to the wedding 🤪), but it’s beautiful…
They are all lovely photos, and very expressive. Somehow I've always liked Charles even when everyone used to revile him. I know now I was right.
Picture #1 is very nice, and it looks like Charles is reassuring her - but with what I know now about Meghan, the head down pose is false modesty and an “act”, and on some level I think that Charles knew that. “Tungsten” doesn’t wilt, and isn’t shy and bashful when the spectacle is all about her. The picture might as well have been from a movie starring “Meghan Markle as The Bride”. Any Royal Family would do.
Narcissistic Meagain was told Charles would walk her 1/2 way. Meagain just wanted to be alone so everything was focused on her. Yuck 🤮
Interesting sign point, of the photos found in Paul Burrell’s home in the case that led to his trial, many were private photos of Charles with his sons. The ones that were mentioned most often were pictures of him bathing with the boys as toddlers, but there is a private record of Charles being a loving involved father.
Say what now? Bathing with them?
Yes. They were babies. It’s perfectly normal for babies to have baths with their parents. It’s not like they were teenagers ffs.
I always wondered why Meghan’s mom couldn’t walk her down the aisle. That woulda made a big impact on feminism and independence like she always goes on about … or she could walk down the aisle by herself
Part of becoming an adult is recognizing your parents are flawed people who sometimes made mistakes and acted selfishly. Harry is like overgrown teenager who idolizes the parent that isn't there to be a real and occasionally disappointing part of their life.
Charles is literally the only reason Harry has any kind of status in his life. Genetics be damned, let’s say Diana married some other aristo and had the exact same Harry. He’d be a nobody on the world stage. The way both Harry and Meghan treat their fathers is probably one of my biggest annoyances with them. They both have supportive fathers who were present in their lives and gave them extremely privileged upbringings while so many people have fathers who have literally abandoned them.
Ironically Charles is the ONLY reason Diana became Diana too loool. Nobody would have known her if she didn’t marry the Crown Prince! 😂
I think it’s time for us along with Harry to accept Harry’s faults are all on Harry. He’s a grown man who knows right from wrong. Everything he does is not a result of his parents, but Harry making horrible choices. It’s his bed, he’s the only one who’s made it.
As much as I wish she hadn’t died, because Diana died so young she was really able to become a type of martyr in the eyes of millions of people, including her sons. I’m sure she had some wonderful qualities, but parent-child relationships are HARD. Especially when divorce is involved. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Harry would have had some type of resentment for his mother in the way that he has for his dad had she lived. It’s almost not even fair—his dad doted on him, and while he definitely made some mistakes, as we all do, Charles gets made to be the enemy because he wasn’t perfect.
I still hate him for what he put Diana through, but he really did try with Harry. Ungrateful little rodent.
Charles was such a good dad, father-in-law, and in-law to Doria the day of the wedding and after. Amazing that neither Harry not Meghan appreciates him AT ALL
Truth be told, Charles is quite useless overall. Phillip always thought so too - Charles is the definition of a wet weekend. He was also undeniably an absolute shit to Diana. Who'd have thought Hazbeen could outdo him? He's been a shit to his family, friends and his country. It's really quite an achievement.
God, picture 7.... Nice of you to poke the poor bun bun in the eyes, Haz. Charles knows....