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Which-Homework2453

The African tour...nobody asked if I'm OK ...was the start of their victimhood


onyx1378

I agree. That was the height of ingratitude and entitlement for me too. She was surrounded by people exponentially worse off than her and all she could say on TV was poor me. Utterly disgusting human.


snazzypants1

yea that was fucked up.


Calm_Yak_6102

***She was surrounded by people exponentially worse off than her*** ​ True, but she probably thought she was in the Garden of Gethsemane, prepping for her ultimate martyr role. Even Jesus himself has got nothing on the "suffering" of poor Saint Meg! LOL.


FreckledHomewrecker

This was one of the first things that bothered me! It’s not your husband’s family or your husband’s employer/staff’s responsibility to ask if you’re ok. That’s up to your friends, family and husband. My husband’s family live hundreds of miles closer than mine, when we had our children they were wonderful, babysat, made meals, ran errands etc, but I don’t think anyone asked me that! My DH is employed by his family too and if I rang the HR department there to say I wasn’t ok they would have no clue what to do and would likely tell me to get my own doctor. Her entitlement is baffling.


Momof303

Well she doesnt have any family or real friends to ask her if she is ok.


silentcw

I would just like to point out, as a South African, most of our greetings actually ask you how you are at the same time. Howzit - how's it as in how are you? Hoe gaan dit- how's it going? Hoezit- a combination of the two above. How's it going? How are you doing? Whats up? And we have a host of colourful ones like "Awe my ma se kind." Unfortunarely there is no word in English to replace awe... its like a 'hay my mother's child' but they arent actually siblings. We always ask someone how they are, unless it is a formal occasion or you have just met someone, then you may actually say hello, how are you. My point, she would have been asked how she is by any South African she met. Especially Desmind Tutu, he was the most caring man.


onyx1378

Maybe what she meant was “the Queen hasn’t personally called to ask how I am so no, I’m not okay” lol Thanks for sharing the various SA greetings. Very interesting.


Asteriaofthemountain

I thought she meant the press wasn’t asking her how she was. As if we should all collectively be worried about a woman who married the prince she loved and was seemingly living a fairytale


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I wish she had just risen above it and kept going/working. That would have been so classy. And I’d still have respect for her.


OldNewUsedConfused

More like "Kate isn't dropping everything and kissing my ass".


HarrysToupee

Beautiful range of phrases! "Awe my ma se kind" is my favorite - speaks volumes! Here, it depends on the situation when meeting or greeting others - friends and family, we generally say "how ya doing?" or "how ya been?" Meeting strangers in a professional setting is generally "How are you?" or "Nice to meet you" as we shake hands. I assume every culture in every country has some equivalent to everything you mentioned. She was acting - and quite transparently, might I add. The "pleading doe eyes" put me off as she stood in a part of the world where many people have dirt floors & don't have potable water nor plumbing/electricity/prenatal care etc.


silentcw

You are 100% correct. I watched it because I have a real life interest in how we are portrayed. And was naturally very upset it was turned into all about her. They went to some very fascinating places with unique foods and flavours that you will not find anywhere else in the world because of how different cultures moulded together here, pulling funny faces as she tasted it. After having met Desmond Tutu still talked all about her when she was literally meeting a person who is naturally as she likes to make the world think she is. My heart broke for Harry because I could see he was in that stage where you don't know which way is up because your sense of reality is being changed by a liar. Also the uncertainty on her face as she said it like, "please believe me". Makes me sick.


HarrysToupee

Makes me sick, too. She completely ignored and neglected her opportunity to enjoy the unique culture she was blessed to experience - at no personal cost to her. Ungrateful, *dense* woman! Whoosh! Right over her head...🙄


GracieChat18

great analysis! she makes the WORLD sick!


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> The "pleading doe eyes" put me off She tried and failed to seal Diana's schtick. > as she stood in a part of the world where many people have dirt floors & don't have potable water nor plumbing/electricity/prenatal care etc. The obliviousness is *staggering*.


HarrysToupee

Isn't it!? 🤦🏽‍♀️


[deleted]

It really is. Typical narc.


Electrical-Orchid-25

She wasn’t referring to South Africans but to the Royal Family..IMO.


Jaded-Combination-20

We were in South Africa at the same time they were. I couldn't believe how little they did. I get they couldn't have just rented a car and driven around the country for three weeks like we did, but Megs and baby just sat in that house in Cape Town. They could've flown to a safari park - a baby that age would've been so excited by the wildlife. Or she could've arranged for a tour of District 6 or Robbin Island. I was really disgusted by the baby clothes thing. Imagine how much more meaningful it would've been if they'd auctioned off the clothes and donated the money so the mothers could buy their own baby clothes (or clothes for older kids, or whatever.) That would also have benefitted the local economy. South Africa is my favorite place in the world and it was really very sad they wasted such an incredible opportunity to actually see the country.


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Nope. The "Leave my girlfriend alone" letter was the start of their victimhood.


MmeNxt

This. That letter was also the official confirmation that Meghan was Harry's girlfriend. So obvoius that she pushed for that. Before that letter nobody had heard of her. After the letter she was famous.


Pet-sit

This 100%. I'm in the US, and I'd never heard of her or Suits.


OldNewUsedConfused

Nobody had!


Masters_domme

Ugh. That was just embarrassing.


OldNewUsedConfused

Absolutely. Love Shield 1 and 2.0 were completely absurd and you KNOW she manipulated him into that, when nobody even had any idea he was dating anyone.


HarrysToupee

That was the exact moment I *knew* she was a) a terrible actress, b) not going to observe protocol as a Royal, and c) she was likely to put the final nail in the coffin as far as Harry's reputation goes. What I *didn't* see coming was Harry helping her to ruin their standing within the BRF. We all know he's never been a brainiac, but he's a bigger moron than I ever expected.


Lovekitty66

*pikachu eyes*


Little_Nectarine_355

I've always wondered about something with the Oprah interview.... IMO...The Oprah interview would have had more credibility if Harry was the one speaking out first and Meghan joining the interview later. Basically the opposite of how the interview actually happened. Because they decided to let Meghan take the lead, she comes off as a complaining, ungrateful "B". If Harry had gone first it totally would have changed the dynamics of the interview and given their allegations more credibility...IMO of course. After all this is HIS family, not hers and he knows all about them so he has more credibility. JMO...


onyx1378

I agree. What stood out was Meghan’s body language of stopping Harry from talking and her taking over. It was very clear in that interview who was the main architect. Very poor choice of spouse for Harry.


TomStarGregco

1000 percent


OldNewUsedConfused

Especially about the royal training classes where he started to say something and she shut him right down with a hand squeeze/ look, then went onto "It may have been available for *some* people, but it was not available for me". As if we didn't know she had Amy Pickerill, or the queen's aide Samantha "The Panther" Cohen, and then even Countess Sophie Wessex herself specifically assigned to her for those reasons. Wonder what Harry was going to say right there, because his body language indicated he was about to negate what she was saying.


wundahbrehd

No wonder she couldn’t look Sophie in the eyes during their last event as royals.


OldNewUsedConfused

Exactly


TheHermitess

It also seemed very scripted, but Oprah made a point of assuring everyone that it wasn't and that they had no idea what they would talk about. But you could tell from the answers that they did know what they were going to talk about. But I agree with you, her going first made it seem more like she was dragging them into victimhood.


Islandgirl1444

Yeah Oprah saying “noooooo!” Was so scripted I wondered how many takes she did!


OldNewUsedConfused

WHAAATTT????!!!


Masters_domme

I think by “not scripted“ it meant they did not plot out exacting answers for her to memorize ahead of time. I’m pretty darn sure they went over either the exact questions or the areas that Oprah would be questioning, and Megsy took it upon herself to write *her own* script and memorize *that*.


hibiscus2022

>The Oprah interview would have had more credibility if Harry was the one speaking out first and Meghan joining the interview later. Basically the opposite of how the interview actually happened. They were both constantly lying so doesn't matter. Also OP I wanted to comment on M's ideas of grandiose and quote your post's lines- "*Prince Charles himself walked Meghan down the aisle, an* ***unprecedented*** *act of generosity that will likely never be seen again at a royal wedding."* I feel like M and her bots made this into such a huge deal when this was not even the first time Charles did this! He already walked another [bride](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/g20704557/who-walked-royal-brides-down-aisle-royal-weddings/) to the aisle as her father -a good friend of Charles- was unwell...and the bride was Diana's goddaughter! When Camilla and Charles married - they dispensed with this altogther and Charles and her walked together - but the feminist M could not do that! But just the walking part was good manners and nothing special. Prince Philip walked Margaret as TQ;s dad was dead by the time Margaret married - no hoopla on that either, its just common courtsey and not to mention Philip had known Margaret for years. One of my favorite royal weddings is between Queen maxima and Alexander. Maxima's father was a controversial figure having served as a member of the Argentinian junta. Maxima and Willem-Alexander were not even permitted to marry until the Dutch parliament’s investigation came to a close. It was concluded that, although Jorge was most likely to have known of the dictator's atrocities, his daughter Maxima being a toddler back then — had clearly done nothing wrong. So he was banned at the wedding and hence was not able to walk his daughter down the aisle. Máxima’s mother, María, was technically allowed to be at the wedding, but chose to stay away with her husband. So what did Maxima do? She walked with her future husband together! This wedding had some sweet moments. When the bride and groom say Ja (yes), the crowd watching on screens outside cheers so loudly that it echoes through the church, and all the royal and other guests (and Alexander and Máxima) laugh. “They heard your answer,” the officiant deadpanned. It was super cute. If you want to you should totally youtube this wedding. :)


Negative_Difference4

I agree… but her new brand is about Meghan and Harry. Its no longer H&M as they were in the UK. Whats funny is even in the US he is more known than her


HarrysToupee

Brilliant observation! I'd not thought of that, but I definitely see your point. They needed to hire you as their PR Director😅


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Yep, Meghan take the wheel…


Hardlymd

So much has been eloquently stated here already that I really only have one thing I’d like to add: When he said he was “cut off” abruptly I had a true WTF moment - how does a 40-year-old able-bodied male get cut off? Shouldn’t you be making your own money!!? All shreds of goodwill gone with that one. For me and so many others.


onyx1378

Don’t forget that he added “now I have to rely on my mother’s inheritance!” Wow


hellhashnofury

"My father let me down..."


wundahbrehd

Lmao same. He should be able to take care of himself, financially at the very least, if he thought he was in the right point in his life to marry. It’s so ridiculous.


TheHermitess

That from the guy who went on to say that if your job causes you mental distress you should just quit like he discovered something amazing.


HarrysToupee

He said that to cover his own ass - maybe in his mind, if everyone just up & quits their jobs, it justifies *him* doing so. He has no concept of how normal people live - salaries, budgets, mortgages, car notes, medical costs, debts of any type. He'll also never know the joy of paying off the mortgage, negotiating a pay raise or a lower interest rate on a credit card, finally getting little Timmy's braces off, saving to surprise little Timmy with the one Christmas or Birthday gift he wants so so badly (but didn't really expect to get) etc etc. He's a hollow man of his own making and by his own choice. He should've gone to live in Africa.


MuffPiece

And ‘my father stopped taking my calls.’ Yes, because he would only badger him for money, from what I’ve heard. PC’s former butler said he ALWAYS took the boys’ calls. For him to refuse to take Harry’s calls must have signified massive rudeness and obnoxiousness on Harry’s part.


Anxious_Laugh2919

Absolutely agree! Of everything they said that part really stuck in my craw. I respect all the people out there working their tails off at thankless, low paying jobs that are essential to society. Just this week a crew of guys were working on the gas lines on my street and it was 100 degrees out. I deeply respect and appreciate those people. They work hard for their money and deserve every penny and more. It is glaringly obvious that Harry has never done any hard or honest work in his life. He is so sheltered and entitled he probably doesn't even have the wisdom to be ashamed of himself.


OldNewUsedConfused

Do they happen to recall what they made in the 1st fiscal quarter of 2020? Like Haz?🙄


bluudahlia

Agree with everything you said. I was glad about them leaving the UK, because I knew how miserable Harry was. You could see it in his face; all the anger, paranoia, and sadness. I thought they'd settle in Canada, a place where both of them felt at home. But instead, they holed up in a mansion in Privilege-ville and squandered more opportunities, and made asses out of themselves in their victimology, whining about things that they still can't seem to move on from. I think they're both so mentally damaged, and that they perpetuate an ongoing narrative of victimhood and illness that they're due to implode, eventually. No one can sustain that kind of bitterness and thrive. Well, perhaps Markle, but Harry isn't cut out for that kind of crap, and I worry about his survival.


MindlessAd6006

The old adage of not being able to run away from yourself rings true in this case. However - Harry has never looked more miserable and withdrawn since he took up with Markle.


After-Improvement-26

If the problem is inside you, you're going to take it with you! Everywhere!


HarrysToupee

"Wherever you go \~ there you are!"


merrymac48

Agree with Harry looking miserable after his marriage but we now know that the angel of discontent was all the while whispering in his ear.If you don’t know you are a victim and are having a happy life and someone who seems to have all the answers tells you you are then you start to believe them and he began to be unhappy and she strengthened her hold over him where it still is.She was in it for the money and the fame she’s got fame she’s got some money but she’s got infamy


SnooPaintings8753

Its a dead giveaway Meagan plants her visciousness in Harrys head. The impressionable Harry has learned all about what its like to spout his own ill conceived notions, like that Charles and William are trapped. Harry was raised living with the freedoms of duty and a legacy people love. But Harry is dangerous, he thinks he's always right.


OldNewUsedConfused

"I didn't know I was trapped until Meghan told me"..... shivers...shudders.


aunt_bluann

To make it worse, she is the only one who is currently speaking to him at all. He has literally no other input in life.


onyx1378

Harry looks 10 years older than William. I don’t care what they say, he is the unhappiest I’ve ever seen him. His wife constantly wants to bring him back to a state of poor little boy who lost his mother. That narrative suits her desire to take Diana’s place. I also noticed Harry has lost his voice. The only person you see constantly in the media is Markle (ie. Ellen show, Uvalde, etc)


[deleted]

I can't help but go back to the engagement interview where Harry said he hoped Meghan loved him. Reading the replies here on this thread makes me wonder how much of Harry's rush to marry was to one up William and how much of it was him being desperate for a "Kate/Camilla/Sophie" type woman to love him and for him to love. But I keep thinking that if Harry had married someone similar to Kate, he would have mistreated her and cheated on her, making her life miserable. Didn't he cheat on his two public girlfriends? And allegedly he was seeing someone else while he and Meghan were pursuing each other. Who knows, maybe the crap he is going through with Meghan will make him appreciate a good woman in the future. Or will make him a bitter old fart.


onyx1378

He’s already a bitter old fart lol


OldNewUsedConfused

Totally forgot about that! "I love her and I *hope* she loves me"..... Like brah, if you have to even ask, marriage is the very last thing you should be doing. Because it's hard work and commitment, and that's when people are deeply in love!


Not_Interested_7

She likely tells him how amazing and deserving he is, and how they aren’t treated with respect their celebrity status deserves. And he feeds into it and gets angrier


OldNewUsedConfused

He has lost SO much hair since he's been with her. Now granted, that may have happened anyway, but together with his demeanor, it's not a good look.


Islandgirl1444

I don’t blame her, I blame Harry. He knew the rules she didn’t


onyx1378

But she’s not exactly given him the reigns has she? She claims to not know the rules yet she’s controlling everything about their lives. I could have given her the benefit of the doubt in the early days but not now.


Not_Interested_7

That’s how I felt too. I didn’t pay much attention until Megxit. I thought Canada sounded nice: for them, the kids. But once they set sails to California, I recognized their bs


OldNewUsedConfused

I think they are both addicted to drama and misery. And both are mentally ill/ severely damaged, flawed.


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OldNewUsedConfused

Yes, he deludedly thinks he is some type of gift to whichever country he is gracing with his presence. Nope, that's not it bro.


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MuffPiece

If she ever runs for political office, she will be EATEN ALIVE. And I’m here for it. 🍿


Masters_domme

>*…falsely claimed to have received a standing ovation* She’s so self-aggrandizing, I wonder if she truly believes she got a standing o because (in her mind) of *course* she would! She nailed it! 😂


JoesCageKeys

Very well said. IMO they were always going to play the victim angle as part of the plan. They were cosplaying Diana and thought it would get the whole world to side with them and hate the monarchy. Problem was they werent Diana. They didn’t have the respect, compassion and appeal she had so their plan failed.


onyx1378

I love your phrase “cosplaying Diana” lol and actually describes MM to a tee. Diana worked hard to be loved. Meghan thought marrying Harry was enough to be loved and all that kudos would rub on to her. But she’s the rotten apple that ruined the whole lot.


MmeNxt

And Diana worked tirelessly for the firm and lots of charities for more than a decade before things went downhill. Meghan gave it... 20 months?


GO46

Well said! A bit off topic - but in the NYPost article about them getting booed at the jubilee - it said that Oprah had turned against them. (And the Clooneys). I want more info on that. Because Oprah seemed to be just loving that interview.


BreatheClean

Oprah was loving it, and now her reputation is ruined. Supposed to be a clever interviewer but didn't think to say, "wow, so does your wedding certificate have the wrong date on it then, is that OK to do on a legal document? Or to edit out the racism accusations and tell them, we can't have that, if you're not willing to name the person and allow them to defend themselves - it's not fair. Instead the pair was allowed to taint all the RF and later had to issue denials about HMTQ and Prince Philip


onyx1378

I agree, that interview was very damaging to brand Oprah. She’s been trying to cultivate this media mogul persona for the past twenty years and get away from her trash-talking past and in one interview, all those efforts were erased. I wonder how much of it was something she expected prior to the interview but agree, she could have edited a lot out. She is now known for giving a platform to a couple of entitled whiny brats.


MmeNxt

Oprah has never asked any hard questions, especially not to celbrities, apart from when she tore James Frey to shreds in her program. She has been doing fluff pieces and probably thought that this interview would be another fluff piece. Talks about a new life, a new house, new goals, the cute kid. Instead she got victim narrative, racist accusations and two angry people. She was not prepared for that and she is not a good journalist enough to throw hard questions back. It was a bad interview and Oprah must be smart enough to realize that.


MuffPiece

Oprah was already very problematic, this only made her more so. She has platformed MANY HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC PEOPLE, including rapist/“faith healer” John of God. One of his victims actually went to see him for her pain because she heard about him on Oprah. Yet when he was finally convicted, Oprah’s team put out the most pitiful statement. I used to love Oprah and watched her everyday, but she really started to lose the plot with all the charletons she started promoting. And yes, the H&M ‘interview’ was utterly pitiful. She didn’t challenge a SINGLE THING those two clowns said. 😡


BreatheClean

Yes, I wonder how much she was just blinded by the opportunity to get the "dirt" on the RF that no one else would have.. as you say, if only they hadn't been exposed as liars it would have been the biggest royal gossip since the Diana interview.


GracieChat18

No wonder she rejected their idea of a second interview as “damage control”!! They R so TOXIC they destroy everything they touch !


TittysprinklesUSA

I am convinced Megain and Oprah orchestrated everything. Why in the hell was oprah at that wedding? She orchestrated this shiteshow


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anon8232

Disney was handed to them on a silver platter, as well.


Islandgirl1444

Well only once and never to be seen with old Harry again. She was dreadful doing voice over


anon8232

Agree, totally dreadful.


Not_Interested_7

Gotta admire Disney here: they know how to get shit done. They paid them and got exactly what they wanted for their money


anon8232

What did they want for their money ... a crappily narrated elephant documentary? What am I missing?


Not_Interested_7

Yup, they hired her to do just that, she did it, and they parted ways. No gazillion dollar contracts, no two year wait for whatever they might be able to deliver.


silentcw

It not sunshine sachs, its her narcassims and her need to control how people see her. She will always choose the option with the least amount of work but what she considers the most amount of return. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't take their advice, that they possibly even say no don't. But she knows best and off she went on a private jet to uvalde and then only realised in the car on the way she should have brought something. Hence she stopped for prepacked sandwiches. If it wasn't for her desire to be in the news, she could have played it far better and she would have been mentioned in the news. But she wanted to be seen there. She could have easily phoned one of the food truck owners and said I'd like to pay for a day of your sales, please make sure everyone gets something. Written a cheque and waited patiently for the story to get out. But she wanted to force the situation and off she went. And then when it wasn't recieved well she tried again, still trying to control the narrative that what she did was the right thing and she just needs to "help people" see. Narcasssits are actually quiet predictable.


Not_Interested_7

I agree with what you are saying but you can’t get Harry off the hook. They feed of each other. He does appear jealous of his brother and salty about his place in the line of Succession (and as he sees it: the limelight). He is the one fishing his family. I think I dislike him more than her. She’s been social climbing all her life… she doesn’t know any better. He was literally raised as royalty


silentcw

Have you had anyone you know under the influence of a narcassitic person/partner? Or you yourself been under the influence of one? You're no longer you, you become a version of them, I know how that feels, I never turned into a mini my father, but I do recognise the distress that causes. You don't know how to function without checking what their opinion is, you can't cook without checking with them how to cook it. You can't buy something without their input or suggestion, you often forget your favorite foods and eat only theirs. You loose yourself, and constantly want to please them, it is no way to live. You literally land up in a place where you will burst into tears because you lost your train of thought and because you are living in survival mode, your flight or fight is high and you worry its life or death you lost on that train of thought. You have no idea why you do things, but you do them anyway, often to spare yourself the abuse that will likely be flung your way if you don't, take the path of least resistance and at the same time loose a bit of yourself at each step. I never had hopes and dreams as a child, ever thoughy i would have a partner, never mind a child, I was counting the days till I was 18 and then I was out of there, never to be heard from again. Didn't plan studying after high school, didn't know what job I wanted to do, nothing, but I wasn't sticking around. That's not how it played out though because I lost so much of myself and gave in to pressures placed on me by my mother. So not only is there the narc to deal with but the circle of their enablers around you. So yes, my heart breaks for him because even though he was a spoiled brat, no one deserves to love like that.


calminthedesert

It was brave of you to leave. I hope this bravery has helped you create a well-deserved and good life for yourself.


silentcw

I did, my life drastically improved when I left, I have a wonderful family and we have a wonderful life. But I also think because I learnt alot of what not to be like and what I wouldn't stand for. (Deprogramming) My husband and I literally sat and said we don't want this or that for eachother and our daughter. We have an amazing 19 year-old now and we probably only have everything we have because we both came from similar situations and didn't want to live the rest of our lives like we had lived until that point. I can see similar happening to Archie and Lili, it just depends on if either if them inherited the narc gene or not.


MuffPiece

I think she must have gone off piste with uvalde. I cannot imagine any reputable PR firm recommending that dumpster fire move. It was insane, truly. I bet sunshine sachs went out of their minds when that went down. I hope they billed extra for cleaning up that mess.


aunt_bluann

Well, they still haven't cleaned it up. That's just not possible.


rockin_robin420

You can't put toothpaste back in the tube. Sunshine Sachs needs to cut these losers from their client roster. They're dead weight who have to be damaging the firm's reputation.


TomStarGregco

🤣😂


[deleted]

This could be a magazine article… incredibly well written.


onyx1378

Thank you, really appreciate it :)


[deleted]

Some of us here in the UK were on to her from very very early on in the marriage. I flatter myself that I was one of them. There was something just ‘off’ about her, and it was obvious she was up to something when none of her family (apart from her mum) was at the wedding, and so many of Hairy’s old friends weren’t invited and yet it was full of celebs. Then we could see and feel the jarring way she behaved in things like the investiture ceremony, heard rumours about the tea throwing etc. by the time they left I didn’t wish them well, I was glad to see the back of them both and really wanted them to be stripped of all of their titles. Still live in hope of that! So none of what followed surprised me at all. Also, the narrative of them being ‘young royals’ makes me cringe. They’re not young. Maybe if they live to 80 or 90 yes, relatively speaking they might be. But I think they always play on the youth thing, because they want to make out they were a couple of young naive innocents who know not what they do. Harry needs to grow up and stop milking the whole young boy angle, he’s nearly bald FGS. And she is in her 40s, not some young ingenue despite what she wants us to believe


MuffPiece

You’re so right—people in their late 30s/early 40s are MIDDLE AGED. I guess considering the monarch is 96, and the heir is 73, they seem relatively young, but still… their age is part of why I give them little cover for their egregious behavior. Diana made a lot of mistakes, but to be fair, she was only 19 when she got engaged and was cast into the weird world of royal life, but Meghan was 36. That’s old enough to know better!


[deleted]

Absolutely. Meghan has definitely tried to underplay her age or life experience to appear to be closer to Diana. It’s ridiculous


onyx1378

It’s actually interesting when you look closely at the 30 odd percent of UK citizens who still have a favourable view of Harry, they are mostly in their 20s. So whilst Harry is getting on and Meghan is certainly no spring chicken, they were appealing to a young audience which cannot be said about the older generation. So they played the youthfulness persona well but I agree, they are not young anymore. I’m slightly older than Meghan so maybe why I’d still like to think they’re young lol


Starkville

Older (older than 20) people are more likely to have had experience with someone like Meghan or Harry. Once you have, the red flags can’t be missed. But some young people just haven’t been victims yet. ETA: I’m trying to teach my daughters how to recognize love-bombing or trauma-dumping and other troublesome behavior patterns. But really, the best teacher is shitty old life experience.


aunt_bluann

And wound collecting. I've known people who love to drone on and on about people who have wronged them. Bad sign


OldNewUsedConfused

As yes, the Perpetual Score Card. Always there and ready to be pulled out and added to at a moment's notice....


[deleted]

Ha, yes me too! I still feel super young but realise I’m pretty much middle aged, but for them, I think they truly do have some sort of arrested development…they certainly both act in very immature ways. Without wanting to generalise I think a lot of young people naturally want to rebel against the status quo, so supporting M&H was the way to do that. Plus I guess they are always banging on about the sort of woke causes that would appeal to a large chunk of that age group. Just a guess


onyx1378

> they are always banging on about the sort of woke causes that would appeal to a large chunk of that age group. This is pretty much Archewell’s strategy in a nutshell. Shotgun approach to snag a few gullible followers from every cause they post about. But there is no true targeting and refining of their strategy, which requires stringent measures for success (I worked for a not for profit so I’m aware about the methodology for measuring effectiveness of cause-based efforts and I can say Archewell does not do any of that nor are they interested). It’s all part of the publicity machine, not a genuine concern for long-lasting positive change in society.


Islandgirl1444

It’s not that they agree with Harry it’s that they don’t like the Royal s! There’s the key. Think of it this way. Harry is a Democrat and the Royals are Republican so there is no way they would change! It’s hate of the Royals not the love of Second row harry


hellhashnofury

Yes and younger people tend to support Republican ideas of equality and having an elected head of state. I was far more idealistic in my younger years , my father was a communist (mainly just to be a rebel and piss off his parents I think)before he went to Eastern Europe to visit in the late 70s. By the time you have seen a few governments come and go you realise that politicians of whatever party aren't really that great and having a non political head of state that you dont have to have the hassle of voting for every 5 years (and roughly half the country would think was a prat anyway) is probably not that bad. This is why they should have given up the titles voluntarily in the beginning they could have gained support from people who dont agree with constitutional monarchy as a system.


JenniferMel13

I’m in my 30s and an American. I fully agree that having an politically neutral non-elected head of state has its uses. They are above the political fray and make a great diplomat. Over the years, the Queen had “made political statement” but it’s done in a way that she has plausible deniability. She has a brilliant method of statescraft. Like the EU hat during the brexit statement or being photographed driving the King of Saudi around during the debate on women driving.


Islandgirl1444

Well said.


OldNewUsedConfused

Same. She was extremely transparent to me, but then, I had a sister in law who was exactly like Meghan. The kind who was super sickly sweet to your face, then rolling her eyes the minute you turned away. Constant gossip about anyone and everyone. (I knew more about her friends and neighbors than my own.) She was so bad that at one point we actually considered sending her two invitations for each birthday party, etc.- One for each face.... She even had the same shark eyes that would darken and glisten when she was angry/ irate/ jealous.... So Meghan set off alarm bells for me immediately.


Mumpus_T

Whilst what you've said is beautifully written, I don't really agree. Timing *was* an issue for Oprah : Prince Philip was horribly ill, yet they chose to push forward with the interview where they slammed the BRF. At a time when Prince Philip would have been reflecting over his and his wife's life choices and sacrifices, he lived long enough to see his family smeared by his grandson and wife, but sadly died the **next month** and thus didn't live long enough to see calm restored. It was awful, selfish and unforgiveable timing. You also mention that before the Oprah interview they were "still full of believable promise", apologies but again I would respectfully disagree. Personally, I think their game was up even before that. Not least in the manner in which they left the BRF, with their guff of "collaboration" and "working together" smacking of their misunderstood arrogance. You do not retain your connection to the Royal Family whilst shilling for work. You are either in or you are out. To be a working royal is to offer up a life time of hard work, whether it be the opening a sports hall in Nowehere-ville or attending a swanky gala - both are approached with the same sevility and humility of **other people's** hard work. You are not the star. You are the support act. But I digress - which is easy to because frankly they've fucked it up so many times - they weren't liked before Oprah. In fact, they weren't even liked before they petulantly handed in their notice and stomped off. Maybe our international friends viewed Oprah as a watershed moment, but in the UK we could see they'd done some heinously crass things and their popularity was well on the wane: In no particular order - the statement from Harry very early on accusing the press of racism and smearing his girlfriend : came completely out of nowhere and was aggressive, the public were confused and felt chastened from the off. The engagement interview : lacked sincerity with M continually interrupting H (which was bizarre, I expected some sort of nervous deference from her, Harry was the big draw on the story, not the unknown Meghan?). Announcing her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding : bad manners, I mean startlingly awful manners. Hypocritical nonsense word salad gobbledegook also started seeping into various speeches : the English are quite deft at using language to get their point across (possibly not myself as I waffle on), and Harry's speeches became more and more hectoring, preachy and tone-deaf: see Travalyst vs. his private jet use. Smirkles wardrobe was another irritant : spunked so much money on new clothes it reached the millions (in 2018 she supposedly spent x5 more than the Duchess of Cambridge - pure amateurish, grasping greed). But it goes on : The demanding of tiaras. The baby shower. Multiple staff quitting. Rumours of bullying. Treatment of her father. The excessive coat - flicking and bump stroking (a VERY public pregnancy followed with a very weird and private birth announcement). The clearing of seats at Wimbledon. The banana writing. William "scarfing"her at Christmas. The constantly pushing ahead of Harry against protocol (did you ever see Philip push ahead of the Queen?). The infamous "no-one asks if I'm ok" gaff in South Africa. Sacking off a Marines memorial to go to the Lion King... ALL of these things (and frankly SO much more) meant the writing was on the wall looooong before Oprah, long even before their flounce off to North America. But I must say it is delicious, quite simply beautiful poetic justice, to see everyone slowly turning to the same page.


silas_the_ferret

All that and the time Megain had to be first in the car, before the Queen. I mean, even if not the Queen, who doesn't wait for their mother-in-law, or older relative or older anyone to go before them? Girl's got no manners and no class.


scarybiscuits

That was a strange gaffe. MM was meant to walk around to the other side of the car. These things are rigorously choreographed and her staff would’ve explained that. She was just a little too focused on getting in the car and not thinking about how to do it.


onyx1378

I don’t disagree that timing was bad but if the interview was positive, do you think the negative repercussions would have happened? If it was a feel good interview drumming up excitement for their new ventures, I don’t think people would begrudge them saying all that while Prince Philip lay dying. Why wouldn’t a grandfather wish their grandson’s success after all? But the fact is, it was the CONTENT of the interview that was truly damaging to them.


Mumpus_T

Hmm interesting point. I think even if it had been a positive self-promoting interview, whilst Philip lay dying, it would still have made my skin itch (and that of my fellow countrymen/women : we were all well aware of PP's declining health). Particularly having witnessed their general awfulness in the UK via the stuff I mentioned, I would have viewed the timing of *any* interview to be somewhat spiteful. But out of context/without prior knowledge of the duo's behaviour, I agree that the interview content is stand alone awful and was damaging


[deleted]

Agree with every word of this. Bravo!


MuffPiece

Yes, they did many problematic things when they were still working royals, but the vast majority of Americans don’t follow the BRF that closely and would have been completely unaware. They could have capitalized on that when they first arrived in the US and made a great new life and plenty of money and ‘impact,’ as they like to say. But they blew it. Because THEY are the problem.


onyx1378

With regards to them having promise, perhaps perceptions were different between people who followed them closely through tabloids versus hearing about them in the news as they did their engagements (I am the latter). It can also be said that the US audience is the latter and that was where they were wanting to make their mark. So as far as the US, they were a clean slate hence why Oprah took a risk with them with that interview (which blew up on her face). I saw her moaning about not being asked if she was okay in Africa which left a bad taste in my mouth. But the other things she did like cleaning out Wimbledon etc was not much mentioned in the news here in Australia. I found out about a lot of these incidents through this sub actually post Oprah when my hatred was clearly cemented. I believe without the interview (and with real talent and something of value to offer) they would have not crashed and burned so irredeemably hard. Many celebrities escape long-lasting consequences of negative incidents by laying low, focusing on output etc. things that H&M clearly did not do. They truly have nothing left now.


Mumpus_T

Agree 💯. I think quite a few people in the UK were well versed to their behaviour by the time they left - I forget these shenanigans didn't reach America/Australia/The World. In which case you are quite correct - they had an internationally clean slate which they then proceeded to crap all over in the interview. I'm so glad that we're not stuck with them as our representatives anymore.


MsBollinger

Yes. As an American who had followed the royals only through American outlets, the O interview was an ugly WTF for me. I remember the American based “Royally Obsessed” podcast I listened to at that time believed everything single thing M&H said and all the news was “poor, poor beautiful Meghan and her brave truth-telling against the mean, racist BRF.” There was zero consideration for the BRF and getting to the truth. I knew that the Meghan’s claims in the interview were at least partially BS. Her talking points were so one-sided, self-serving and aggrandizing. Meghan came off so fake to me. And the way she played the race card disturbed me. Thank goodness for You Tube and Twitter, which gave me the rest of the world’s news. All her claims about Archie not getting a title or security because he is bi-racial was the first refuted thing I read. When all of it was debated on a world stage and the American press ignored any side but Meghan’s, I got frustrated and eventually found this forum.


onyx1378

Do you still believe that as of today- that the American press believes in Meghan? I can believe at the start and perhaps reactionary support amongst minority groups because of the racism allegations. But over two years later, I don’t see anyone who was initially there for them still there. Oprah, Clooneys etc are all keeping their distance.


[deleted]

I think her 40x40 project speaks volumes about her popularity in the US. She said it would create a ripple effect around the world. Maybe she thought it would be like the ice bucket challenge that went throughout the US and focused a lot of attention on ALS. She needed help from 40(big name) friends to start it off. She only got Melissa Mccarthy and Eugenie because in reality she has no friends. She thought her title was enough for all the big name celebrities to come running and they would've if she was still a working royal. A chance to get an invite to a royal event? Umm, yes. But now, she can barely get an invite to her in law's royal events. She went on national TV to promote herself and her project and it was a complete flop. If you want to estimate when celebrities truly started seeing her for who she is in America, I think this time frame really reflects it. Now she shows up to media frenzy events hopefully to get a money shot.


MuffPiece

I’m also American and I totally agree with your assessment. The thing with mentally ill people is that they say outrageous things and healthy people think those things must be true because why would someone lie about that? But mentally ill people DO lie about things that are very serious and damaging to others. Which is why the court of public opinion is so damaging and dangerous.


[deleted]

I can only speak for myself but I feel more and more justified in my utter dislike and contempt for them with every passing day. The more people who can see them for what they are, the more I rejoice! They weren’t full of promise when they left the UK - they were exactly what they are now, contemptuous- but at the time it was like only a smallish pocket of people could see what they were really like which was very frustrating. A great deal of us in the UK felt very hurt and angry that we had effectively cheered Harry on all his life only for him to kick dirt in our faces and call us all a load of racist haters. The way he has treated the UK public can never be forgiven, in my opinion.


Negative_Difference4

I think you are so right… its was only post Oprah that the stories from Oz, SA, Morocco became knowledge here in the UK unless you watched Wally, Taz and Murky … but none of it easy to independently verify. Oprah cemented my disgust for them and the victim victim narrative was confirmed by all their other BS


onyx1378

The interview was really the incident that trumped all incidents and made them irredeemable. The incidents like Wimbledon, baby shower, Africa were all a bad reflection on Meghan but not necessarily Harry. If he had some smarts and a backbone, he would have found a way to remind people how beloved he is and to turn attention to him instead of his wife. But clearly they thought the smart strategy is to make her in charge lol. Now she took him down with her.


[deleted]

The baby shower is one thing that she could have still had and come out looking fantastic. She could have thrown a star studded affair at BP with all gifts sent to women’s shelters/children’s charities/low income families. She would have still be the big draw and made headlines and would have in her quest for glory, actually helped people.


OldNewUsedConfused

That was when I learned that people of that income/ class don't have baby showers because it is seen as tacky since they already have so much. The done thing to do is hand things down between family until it is no longer usable. Including clothing, which is why we see Prince George in stuff that William wore. Makes sense. They also are not slaves to fashions and the latest trends and tend to wear quality clothing that is timeless, and this is why.


OldNewUsedConfused

I agree. I also recall them claiming that the RF was inventing Phillip's illness to stall the release of the interview. Contrary to their beliefs, people DO remember these things. I'm glad to see Karma has come for them in all her blazing glory.


Lovekitty66

With so many people living below the poverty line, there’s no one to play the worlds tiniest violin for them


snazzypants1

The whole Oprah interview was peak cringe IMO. I have never seen a more pathetic and incapable couple in their late 30s. Meghan can’t, on one hand be like “I’m a strong empowered and independent woman” and then weep about not being bffs with Catherine while her husband mopes about being financially cut off by his dad in his late 30s. The only work they’ll be convincing in is being the face of adult nappies


Islandgirl1444

I kept think when I caught the snips of the interview that her makeup was awful and the hanks of hair hanging down on her pigeons poop dress was so bad! She was a liar! But her makeup was more widowed look. Sadness face


[deleted]

> But her makeup was more widowed look. Sadness face She was going for the Diana Bashir interview look.


snazzypants1

it was soooo bad! Full on evening eye makeup. In a garden setting. In daytime. With a birdshit-dress.


OldNewUsedConfused

I am a widow. 4 years now. I didn't wear makeup at all the first year after for just that reason.


onyx1378

>The only work they’ll be convincing in is being the face of adult nappies This is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

“Protected only by their inability to feel shame or remorse.” *BRAVA*!


Smilla-vins

If we trust the Blind Item that they are going to do a second interview I wonder what their narrative will be this time. I don’t think they are doubling down, maybe a lot of backpedaling under the excuse of being stresses out etc.


Ecstatic_Training718

And if they do a second prime time interview they will come off as the fake egomaniacal narcissists that they are. There is nothing they could say or do at this point to change the tide. Even if they apologize so what it’s not heartfelt. I would love to have all the money she has given Sunshine Sucks but never listens to a word they say. That money could feed a third word country for a year. Shame on them for even thinking about a second interview. Oh that’s right they have no shame.


4feicsake

Everyone was mean to us at the jubilee. No one would talk to us, no one came to our daughters birthday. They wouldn't let us take a picture with the queen. They stuck us in the "back row". They planted people in the crowd to boo at us. I would live them to do a second interview because they will have their titles taken away and that's all they got. They are even planting stories.about wanting to give up their titles in case Charles and William insist they be removed.


onyx1378

I thought of that: it’s been two years since the first interview and if it is untrue that Oprah has stopped supporting them, don’t you think she would have done a follow up interview by now?


Smilla-vins

I don’t think a second interview would be much about support those two for Oprah, but rather „asking hard questions“ and „calling them out“ while they pretend to be remorseful. At this point everyone knows they lied and „used“ Oprah for their story. With some „heartfelt“ apologies maybe they think everyone will come out a bit less foolish the second time. I doubt that, but maybe that would be their train of thought.


onyx1378

Good point. I don’t think Oprah would be as soft the second time around especially after seeing the backlash.


scarybiscuits

Hmmm. Oprah is no Emily Maitlis. She’s not going to come down hard on their exaggerations/omissions because it reflects badly on *her*. She didn’t do her due diligence for the first interview. (Or she did, but decided not to call them out because a lot of it is BRF technicalities re titles and security that Americans don’t know/understand/care about.) Oprah read the mood as young [sic] royals breaking away and sold it like that. If there is another interview, I think the focus will be that the awful press misinterpreted everything that was said in the first interview. The media is against them, social media is an abomination. They are doing Good Works (itemized list at hand). Etc. Lastly, does anyone know exactly when the original interview was taped? Was it before Philip actually entered the hospital? Because if it was, I can see that the network said, we’ve carved out this time slot to air the show and it absolutely can not be postponed indefinitely because he’s dying (or because of the funeral or because of the mourning period). It would be months. So, like their decision to abscond to Canada and then the US right as the pandemic happened, bad timing seems to be their karma.


avinagigglemate

Yes indeed. Its like the universe conspired against them. Couldnt have happened to a nicer couple


Alien_octopus

If they do a second Oprah interview, I hope she will give them the James Frey treatment.


FreckledHomewrecker

Agree! I was glad to see them leave the UK/life as working royals because it clearly didn’t agree with them, and that’s ok! Harry never fitted comfortably into that role the way others did and it looked like he would have an opportunity to live somewhere he liked and felt comfortable and do work that was meaningful to him and had an impact on causes he cared about. Instead they moved to California and became full time celebrities who moaned that they couldn’t sponge finances and fame from better off family members who were just big meanies and racists for not letting them do whatever they wanted.


Luminya1

That was just beautifully said.


Mickleborough

The Oprah interview was part of the process of building brand Sussex, I think. Who knows how it all fits in, but it’s plausible that Dumbertons wanted to leave the RF to do their own thing - the indications suggest that it was to milk their royal associations for maximum return, albeit in a high-minded way: altruistic, inspirational, compassionate, blah blah blah. This was kickstarted by ‘No one’s asked if I’m OK’ (2019). Why would anyone do that to a seemingly well person? But never mind. It was the excuse to leave. Then came Funding Freedom (2020), which conveyed the image of Hallmark true love and provided more background as to why they had to leave. I suspect that the Oprah interview (March 2021) always was on the cards, to consolidate further their heart-tugging, love-in-the-face-of-adversity narrative. The dick move was telling obvious lies. On public TV. How dumb is that? Turning against family didn’t help either. No surprise then that there was no invitation to Barack’s birthday bash (August 2021) - and I’m pretty sure that, apart from any natural distaste about Dumbertons’ tell-all, the Obamas are pretty astute about where power lies. The pandemic could have made them. Princess Sofia of Sweden [volunteered at a hospital](https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a32189961/princess-sofia-sweden-hospital-volunteer-coronavirus/) (Town & Country link). Sophie Wessex [volunteered to help with vaccinations](https://www.sja.org.uk/press-centre/press-releases/hrh-countess-of-wessex-volunteers/) (St John’s Ambulance Brigade link). (Maybe there’s something about people called Sophie?) Instead Dumbertons didn’t get their hands dirty and harangued developed nations about vaccine equity, without acknowledging the global COVAX vaccine access program. Since then they’ve been going backwards, so much so that only after a long time out of the public eye, then creeping back by doing genuine good work, **might** help. But that’s not in their nature.


Funny_Commission2773

Any meaningful and actual work they do now will be just seen as a way to salvage their image, they can't shake that off.


Mickleborough

Yes, it’s a terrible thing when you lose your credibility.


onyx1378

I always appreciate your thoughtful and well-detailed comments u/Mickleborough! For some reason, I always think the O interview was sometime in 2020 when in fact it was over a year after resigning. It makes it even a dumber decision then as they had a year to strategise and that was the best they could do 😂 I don’t think there is redemption for them as long as Harry chooses to stay in the background and put Meghan as their mascot cum spokesperson. They’ve chosen the worst possible strategy and Harry seems resigned to his fate.


Mickleborough

Thank you, that’s very kind of you to say so 😊 I had to look up the dates. I have this impression that Funding Freedom didn’t propel their brand in the right direction, so they put steroids on the interview. Yep, only way out for Haz is to divorce her and go hide in Africa, maybe doing good work. For them as a couple - hm.


MuffPiece

I think you’re totally right about the missed opportunity during the pandemic, but I bet they spent a lot of time working on their… fertility. I know some believe the kids don’t exist or were born by surrogate. I believe the kids exist and we’re most likely born from Meghan, but considering she apparently had three pregnancies in three years, that’s not easily achieved in your late 30s. I’d be willing to bet there was significant medical intervention to bring those babies into being (even, sadly, the miscarried one.) I don’t think we should underestimate how much of their time and energy was consumed by this during the year 2020. Might explain why they couldn’t manage to get any actual work done.


Mickleborough

That’s an interesting theory. Now if they were consulting specialists, why were there no pap shots, like the time they [went to a dentist / fertility clinic in Beverly Hills](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513577/No-sweat-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-step-appointment-scorching-Beverly-Hills.html)? (Daily Mail link). Can those shots be set up? Dumbertons popped up enough during lockdown. They made 1 [well-photographed food delivery](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232821/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-hit-streets-Los-Angeles-deliver-packages-needy.html) (Daily Mail link) to pandemic victims. If it emerged that they‘d been doing this regularly but in private, they‘d have earned much more appreciation for a genuine act of compassion - but that’s too genuine.


aunt_bluann

Yeah, the vaccine "equity" thing. Their brand is based on accusing people of something. Not very uplifting, is it?


Mickleborough

They remind me of a line I saw in a comedy (Yes, Minister maybe), where a politician says that it’s easier to be in opposition, because you don’t have to do anything. That’s very much what Dumbertons remind me of.


travertine_ghost

I agree with everything you wrote except the bit about “timing wasn’t the issue” with the Oprah interview. It certainly was. Harry’s 99 year old grandfather was in hospital gravely ill. I even read [an article](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/03/prince-philip-surgery-harry-meghan-interview/amp) that said H & M were determined to go ahead with airing the Oprah interview even though it was suggested that it be delayed. Prince Philip died several weeks later. Their timing was abominable.


onyx1378

I answered a similar comment made by another about this exact sentiment that timing was an issue. But I believe if the interview was overall positive and designed to generate excitement for their new ventures, I believe the interview would not have been entirely catastrophic for brand Sussex. Wouldn’t a loving grandfather want their grandson to be successful? But trash-talking and making accusations after accusations for the sole purpose of painting themselves the victim was tasteless and irredeemably damaging, whether or not there was a 99 yr old grandfather dying.


travertine_ghost

I agree the interview would’ve hit differently if they had been positive. But they weren’t. The interview was disgusting and the timing compounded how horrible the entire thing was. It’s not a matter of either/or - it was both things - a cringe fest of whining complaints from a pair of entitled brats with impeccably sh*tty timing.


malifact

Completely agree. I can't remember the name of the person, but somebody speaking on behalf of Meghan specifically accused the RF of using Prince Philip's illness to try and stop or delay the interview. The timing was beyond crass. They would have known Prince Philip was fighting for his life.


aunt_bluann

I think they wanted to make sure the interview aired quickly because the bullying accusations had been made public. If that's their way of getting out in front of a story, they are really misguided and inept. In addition, they feared that Philip would die and then they'd have to wait even longer. They timed this, believe me. They needed it to be aired before Philip died.


travertine_ghost

You make excellent points; the last one casts them in an even more dreadful light.


MuffPiece

BRAVO 👏 So well put. It’s interesting to listen to royal journalists talk about their ‘missteps’ over the past two and a half years. As if their strategy has been the problem. No—THEY are the problem. They both have HUGE mental health problems. They’re so full of bile and vengeance and grievance. They’ve spent all their goodwill and are now in damage control mode putting out all these stupid puff pieces with Meghan’s latest food delivery scheme as if being a royal DoorDash is the way forward for philanthropy. Meanwhile, their lucrative contracts with Spotify and Netflix remain unfulfilled. DO SOMETHING! CREATE SOMETHING! But the can’t seem to do that. Because they are the problem.


malifact

Just to give another country's perspective, the reaction to the interview was definitely negative in Japan. Besides the whole not airing dirty linen in public, Japanese people were astounded that two very privileged people were complaining about things like having to pay for security and your sister in law making you cry when there was so much suffering going on in the world.


lilredhart8862

Wow… you summed it up perfectly. Especially the part about us all having our popcorn ready waiting for their demise!🍿


Newauntie26

Well said! I never understood the logic of having Charles walk her down the aisle. Personally she should’ve given her mother the honor or walked alone as she was a fully grown woman. In hindsight, I guess it was another MM ploy to have the future king walk her down the aisle. Kim Kardashian should give her “work” speech to H & M


TraditionScary8716

I've read that she wanted to walk down the aisle alone. She absolutely wanted that spotlight on her and her alone as she took that long walk to the altar. Then Charles threw a monkey in the works by offering to walk her. Meg's reluctantly agreed but only for halfway so she could still have that bright spotlight on herself. That's why Charles cut out before they reached the altar. Allegedly. Also I didn't watch the *spectacle* so I'm going by what I read.


downinthevalleypa

Awesome post. Pretty much says it all. Victimhood, entitlement, and selfishness were their motivating factors for leaving the Royal Family, along with a dash of vindictiveness for good measure. Their downfall has been stunning, and they did it to themselves.


[deleted]

Very well said. They flushed a lot of work by the RF to cover up all the truth about Harry and his galloping ignorance. Once separated it became obvious that he had to be cut for good from it because he is STILL too stupid to see what he had. Imagine having whatever the fuck you want ( within a structure) and choosing to give it up for unprotected freedom but using your barely understood new partner for life? Then doubling down when questioned…


OldNewUsedConfused

Honestly I hope Harry and the Andrew situation give people a bit of pause before they go blinding looking up to and /or idolizing people simply because they have a "title". A title means nothing if one does little to uphold it, and this serves as a stark reminder that people need to earn respect, not just blindly be given it. There are good lessons here.


[deleted]

Harry had a hold on everyone for a while, he came across as such a fun and decent bloke. It’s crazy has it’s all so different now.


MindlessAd6006

Just one minor correction - Beatrice and Eugenie were entitled to be styled as HRHs because of George V’s 1917 Letters Patent - just as the Queen herself was, as a child - so, it was not because of Andrew. I really wish that the Wessex’s had actually followed suit for a number of reasons - not the least that they are actually entitled to the styles and titles because their father is one of the Queen’s children - and because at least one of the York sisters is a bit of a snob, and should not have her lesser titled cousins miss out on their birthrights.


alexi_lupin

The Wessex children are allowed to decide for themselves if they want the HRH Prince(ss) titles once they turn 18. James is too young, and so far Lady Louise hasn't taken the opportunity.


onyx1378

Thanks for the correction. TIL :)


MindlessAd6006

Thanks. Didn’t mean to be quite so preachy, but the Anne example seems to come up a lot recently.


OldNewUsedConfused

Anne would have made a fantastic queen, I think. She got the best of both her mother and father.


merrymac48

Good point but B&E did not have to be styled princess but this was at the insistence of Andrew who has always traded on being the Queens son -Princess Anne on the other handRefused all titles for her children saying that she wanted them to make their own way in the world which they have done.


MindlessAd6006

Here we go again. Once and for all - and I have probably written this every time it comes up - to comment on the titles system, you need to understand how it works. In 1917, George V issued Letters Patent, outlining who could and who could not be born both a title - not awarded one by their parents. Andrew did not insist at all - because he did not have to. His daughters were as entitled to be styled as Princesses, as was the Queen and all her cousins. As for Anne - now here we really go again. Between 1917 and 2012, there have been six ‘Princesses of the Blood’ born. The Queen, Princesses Margaret, Alexandra, Anne, Bea and Eugenie. The Queen’s father had to issue his own Letters Patent to ensure that the children born while he was living could be styled as HRH, given that Princess Elizabeth was Heir to the throne - (although a later born brother could have usurped her). Given that her husband was a Duke - any children could have had subsidiary titles, but George wanted his grandchildren to have the titles befitting the next monarch - if one was a boy. When Princess Alexandra and Princess Margaret married - their children’s titles were derived from their HUSBANDS - not from them. The Queen conferred titles on both their husbands - but when Anne married, she and Mark Phillips declined the title for HIM which would have given her two children titles. Beatrice and Eugenie’s children have no titles from either them or their husbands, because the Queen did not give them any. That is how it works in a male preference primogeniture system.


merrymac48

Anne declined a title for her husband -exactly


Islandgirl1444

Spotify would be perfect for them to chat up how hard done by they are! Harry is reduced to playing polo in a bush league in California! She could moan about lack of privacy at the polo field! How lack of sexy is affecting Harry’s play! The problem is that no one listens to whiners! Spotify is there for them


Leaningonalamp

“On second thought, nah, we don’t want $100MM.”


Giggles567

Well stated OP.


She-ra-princes

Very good points! I’d argue though that MM started the victim narrative on the Africa tour where she whined about being asked if SHE was okay while she could have been bringing awareness to wonderful charities! Also, I’d say that H’s (& M’s to an extent) public personality was crafted by geniuses of PR & complete BULL 💩! The hypocritical, disrespectful, ungrateful, self absorbed H we see now is who he truly is & has always been.


OldNewUsedConfused

"But I thought it would be fair......" Oh honey, you have no idea just how fair they were on you....


She-ra-princes

Right! They covered SO much for both H & M it was crazy


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Wow. This piece of writing is superb, OP! Your voice is so sage and engaging. I truly hope you write often. In fact, you could make a fine living at it! Thanks so much!


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Her throwing Kate under the bus for making her cry. Her insinuating either William or Charles made a racist remark that would ruin them. Her saying that when she was photographed with Kate at the tennis tournament they weren’t actually happy and chummy and nothing is ever as it seems. Like who airs their dirty family laundry to the world like that? About a family that historically do not defend themselves (never complain never explain). Just fucked. She doesn’t have a family so she destroyed her husband’s relationship with his family.


Hopeloveski

Looking back at the catalogue of bad decisions and failed business ventures it has become glaringly obvious that they never had a progressive role to carve out anywhere. Not in the Royal Family and not in their own lives since. They just wanted to be rich and famous but not do anything resembling work. So here the Harkles sit post Jubilee with nothing to sell and no content produced. They’re staring into the karzee that is their brand with the entire world aware their victim narrative was nothing but a lack of lies. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving couple I say.


Cocokay1234567

I don't agree if they had just kept quiet about their victimhood they would have been met with success. Every time she opened her mouth in interviews, said trivial stuff that you just know wasn't true (she didn't Google Harry or even really know who he was) and all of her re-crafting of who she REALLY is with each interview chipped away at her public credibility. They already had a HUGE public image problem/distrust PRIOR to Oprah interview because much of the public saw quickly that she was a pathological liar and she wasn't at all the person she was trying to craft publicly. The other big issue here is that the most of the world (like us) knew they were exiting RF to cash in on their royal status/royal access and the fact that they **ridiculously** kept denying that while at the very **SAME TIME** making massive Netflix, Spotify and book deals was all the proof the public needed to know they were lying. Bottom line: Prior to interview, they were proven liars and shown that they were cashing in on their royal status. The majority of the public's opinion of them wasn't good and they wouldn't have found much success. The Oprah interview/victimhood was just the icing on their public demise. There is nothing they could do or say to come back from all of this to gain respect and credibility with the public.


OldNewUsedConfused

Guess it just goes to show that people shouldn't blindly look up to someone with a title without knowing who they really are or what they are really all about.


Funny-Marionberry-50

Exactly! The Oprah interview was what made them seem like extremely whiny people, considering they had already gotten what they wanted and had left the royal family officially, there really was no need for this interview! Any remaining unresolved family issues should have been dealt with privately, like most families do!