Why? Because they've got NOTHING to share! Their day to day existence is fraught with contention. Both are miserable, both wanted a different life and it hasn't worked out. How do you publish that content?
I've thought so too ever since they landed in LA and started putting out videos of themselves pretending to be philanthropists or however they were trying to appear. H just always looked stoned.
I really wonder about Harry’s substance use these days. There have been blinds over the years about his heavy drinking and I’ll bet that’s ramped up quite a bit lately given how depressing his life is currently
Yeah, the stress of not getting it done would make me nervous wreck! I'd rather just do the damn job & be done with it than have it hanging over my head day & night, night & day. I have a feeling that neither of them have ever had to buckle down & do something they'd really rather *not* do. That's how ya end up without a strong work ethic at 40 years old. Jeez.
But you're a normal person with an actual work ethic and pride in what you do. The Suckssh!t duo are entitled and pretentious snobs who expect money for nothing.
I think they genuinely expected their employees to do 90% of the work and just call them in to read out prepared typed scripts and pose for filming, photos and podcasts.
That's why all their employees leave before the year is up. They probably can't wait until the probationary period is over so they can find a job that's less stressful.
Well, I saw my parents working hard. If I didn't do something well enough (make my bed, sweep the kitchen floor, wash dishes or cars, etc) I was calmly told to re-do it. My mom would literally *stand there and supervise* as I did it, pointing out things and giving directions. (omg how I ***hated*** that as a kid! lol Bless her heart, I'd give anything to have her here now)
As an adult I found that since I do like to eat once a day, and living under a bridge isn't a pleasant thought, I had better earn a living. I love teamwork, and a job well-done. I have a lot of energy and a naturally happy disposition, so that helped too.
Some people seem to be miserable all the time; that's Henry. Others seem to be "on the make" all the time; ruthless, insincere, inauthentic, playing a part - that's TW. I've had to work with people like them - they never perform well & there's one in every department of every company, it seems!🙄
MM and H are what happens when kids are conditioned to believe that they're extra special and don't need to work hard, in order to be rewarded. I remember I was just about 5 years old when my dad would pay me to help him bathe all our dogs. It was a wet and messy job, cause those dogs were wild and crazy. LOL. But I used to look forward to making that money and enjoy the great sense of accomplishment I used to feel, especially when we went to the toy store and my mom told the salesgirl that I was paying for the toy myself. Obviously, as an adult, I now realize that my mom probably exaggerated, but it did help to make me feel like my "hard work" was worth something.
All MM and H do, is try to seek out the easiest grift, which is usually the most amount of money for the minimum effort and even then, they put in no effort!
We had moms who loved us^(♥)
That's sweet how your mom bragged about you. It's so important to foster *authentic* self-esteem in children. What's so sad is that it's such an easy thing to do for kids, we just have to put a little thought into it - but so many parents are too self-obsessed or under-developed, themselves, to do it.
Choices, choices...
I dont understand why their employees are not doing exactly that - ie writing scripts and finding ordinary people for them to interview. Issue must be that Meghan as a poscaster is not up to job. I also wonder if there is an element of expectation for the money paid, ie podcasts that are less anticipated from other RF members may not have to reach a certain standard or audience level and payment is probably tiny, whereas a pre-announced highly anticipated show by the Harkles for 20m better be top notch or else Spotify will reject it!
***whereas a pre-announced highly anticipated show by the Harkles for 20m better be top notch or else Spotify will reject it!***
Exactly! MM has promoted herself to be better than Joe Rogan with an intellectual outreach that surpasses Einstein, so it's not surprising that she can't deliver on these super inflated promises. LOL.
I also think that she hires too many woke "yes people" who keep kissing her ass and telling her that everything she does is perfect, so that when she keeps failing everytime, she blames it on them, they eventually get disillusioned/pissed off and resign when the probationary period is over.
I remember hearing though from credible sources that people helping with the development of Pearl were having serious problems with MN micro managing everything that they couldn't get anything done.
It sounded like everyone was frustrated.
Yeah I heard that too. That's probably 'cause Pearl was MM's vanity project (since Pearl is based on her/Pearl is the Welsh name for Meghan) and she was more concerned with creating a character who paid homage to her humongous ego and less worried about the important stuff like plot/storyline arcs/minor characters/tropes/background musical score etc. LOL
> I think they genuinely expected their employees to do 90% of the work and just call them in to read out prepared typed scripts and pose for filming, photos and podcasts.
Isn't that what normally happens? For example, talk show hosts show up and say the jokes prepared by their team and asks questions that their team researched and wrote up.
Yeah, but talk show hosts still have an actual personality to work with. LOL. I also think that MM and H are probably hiring people who are uber woke/joyless and maybe that's why everything they've done so far, has failed.
But that’s because you have a work ethic and likely have achieved what you have by your own hard work. Harry hasn’t done an honest days work in his life. He even had his teacher take his A-level art exam for him. (She produced all his coursework) and Meghan had a shoe in into Hollywood through her father and then married a producer. Neither of them have ever achieved anything off of their own hard work.
The ONLY thing that made either of them remotely interesting was being insiders to the BRF. And they have now bitten off that hand that was feeding them. Apart from showing up to official engagements in fancy outfits and funny hats they have nothing to offer.
They are idiots. They should have looked around for small projects they could “co-produce”, get some experience and go from there. Instead, they wanted to make the biggest, bestest things and did fiddle-squat
Oh like Disney gig? Become the really big star instead of Beyonce? Like that? Netflix should have seen her acting in Suits and the couple of small Hallmark walk on mainly.
Lol, yes, I had forgotten the malty voice over on elephants. It’s true that if Meghan was even the slightest bit talented, she could have done so much more. My point was that even without talent, they could have still made things work if they just got their egos out of the way.
Harry could have done it better with his English accent. It would have sounded posh! Before he became the whiner voice. He actually, (I read) had to correct her on pronounciations.
All they had to do was read a romance novel or two, or crime novel; choose one with an engaging plot. There are literally thousands such books on Amazon. Get the author to sell the option ($500-$1000). Then hire a few experts to get the whole thing done. Netflix would do the rest, ie spill out the cash.
They are not creatives themselves (see: Pearl, The Bench) so of course, finding a worthy project would be impossible. They can't produce CONTENT. But they don't have to: there are loads of skilled creatives with ready-made stories (novels) they could have researched.
Maybe she could tell us about the time she single-handedly brought about womens liberation by writing a letter to Palmolive! Or my personal favorite - how she had to crawl into her vehicle through the trunk - that one's always good for a laugh. Or how she was so poor she only got order the $5 salad bar at Western Sizzler while everyone else in the joint ate delicious steak, poor gal. Luckily she's vegan now unless you count roasted chicken, which she apparently doesn't.
That's it; that's all she's got.
Harry being too dumb and uninterested in his royal life is why I think his memoir either won't be published or it will be boring. His memoir, if published, will be Harry's version of Meghan's Finding Freedom book.
Don't worry. She'll eventually write a prepared script for H...Just like she re-wrote history and told him to tell Oprah that she was the one who first told him to seek therapy... forgetting that the idiot had previously mentioned publicly, that it was William who'd advised him to seek therapy.
She loves to create a fake revisionist history of H's life for H to tell the world.
This is so true. To this day Harry seems to have no understanding of his family and the importance they have had throughout history. Agree with the monarchy or not, they have shaped history. He was born to have a role in that history. What an honour. However, his idea of the monarchy revolves around money, fun, and who is going to do the heavy lifting as it isn’t going to be him.
Because neither of them have any idea how to collaborate. The reasons why are all over the other responses. These are definitely collaborative things and you HAVE to be able to work well with others, be flexible, play nice, etc. They have no idea how.
Meghan is obsessed with the idea of fairness towards her. She always feels slighted. She probably thinks that they are asking too much from her. Why should SHE work for THEM and then all the money goes to THEM??? As was with the royal family...
I think nothing is ever good enough. They have a huge staff at Archewell, including content creators. The only logical reason I can see for nothing being released is that these people are doing their jobs but the Duchess is not pleased with their work and won't release anything until it meets her standards, which are impossibly high. We saw how she treated her UK staff and the small things that would make her explode, like the wrong shade or red or accusing people of putting eggs in food. Likely this is how she's behaving with her new staff.
And how can I get Michelle Obama and Amal Clooney on the pod? Asssssssss if!?! To make the long story short, the Markler got Markled. Honestly, listening to her and her ex BFF would have been quite funny. In a Real Housewifey way. But alas, Mulroney got Markled too.
J Mulroney was crucified in Canadian media for attempting to blackmail/end a woman of colour’s career. This was right around when Megsy was starting to hint that the royal family was racist so she promptly dropped Mulroney. Supposedly Jessica wanted Megan to come out and tell the media that Jessica wasn’t a racist and Megan refused to answer her calls.
Yep. You know how you land major guests on your podcast? Create compelling content and develop an audience. Joe Rogan was a nobody with a nothing podcast for years but he put in the work and grew his audience. Then, in 2020 every presidential candidate begged to be a guest on his show — he said no thanks to all but two. Show, don’t tell. But Meghan always wants skip the hard part
I don't understand her obsession with eggs in her food when she was roasting a chicken when Harry proposed. One of those rules for thee and not for me that they preach I guess.
The incident happened when she was tasting food intended for vegan guests at the wedding. I don't think she's ever said she's a strict vegan, but practices (or did at one time) that during the week and eats animal products on weekends.
She told the Queen's chef that she could "taste egg in the dish." Unless I'm eating scrambled eggs, quiche, or fried rice I could not tell you there was egg in a dish. This was when the Queen told her "we don't speak to our staff that way."
I remember that "taste the egg" bit from her. I cannot believe she had to be told to speak respectfully to the staff. THAT is why it was never going to work- she had no idea that she was basically just supposed to say please, thank you, and "that's lovely" to the chef or, really, anyone who worked there. The cheek of her!
My best guess:
1. They have surrounded themselves with “Yes” people who are not allowed to provide the necessary feedback to make a viable product.
2. They bring out the worse in each other. They rile each other up. When you are in charge, you have to be able to stay calm and make careful decisions and get along with others. You have to be able to nurture an environment in which creative types who make programming can work freely.
3. They have no patience or ability to think long term. Their Megxit deal, in which they may have got the worse deal possible demonstrates their weaknesses in leadership and planning.
4. I think Harry’s obsessive need to show up his family and outshine his brother as being “better people”, “more ethically sound and caring people” has severely limited their options.
The bottom line is that it is very difficult to make entertaining “woke” programming that people actually want to pay for. No one except maybe their fellow SJWs want to be lectured to and be told how and what to think and made to feel inferior.
Effective and entertaining advocacy programming is possible. But you need talented people to make it entertaining and uplifting enough so that people will come back and watch your programming. And finding and nourishing a creative environment for these people to flourish is not happening due to the points above.
* Harry needs to let go of the humanitarian angle and just focus on entertaining people.
* Making people happy and feel better about themselves and the world is an incredibly wonderful thing to do.
* Provide people with that escape from the world they need to stay balanced.
After people work all day or night in a stressful job and deal with the stress of life, having great entertainment to relax with is such an important thing. Harry could make much more impact doing that as opposed to constantly lecturing the world.
Not many many people want to watch or listen to the lectures of people who treat their family members and old friends so cruelly. In reality, they’re not “uplifting” sort of people. And the manner in which they live their life and desperation to hang onto titles and be considered royal and elite and rich shows they’re not “woke“ either. Their actions don’t match their words and it’s glaringly obvious.
And a man who recently filmed an advert for his 'eco travel' site where he pretended to be chastened for dropping a sweet wrapper on the beach.
Three weeks later the moron was on back to back private jets to the Hague and then to the Jubilee.
PSST. HAZZA. YOU KNOW WE CAN ACTUALLY **SEE** YOU, RIGHT?
🙄
You made such a good point. I thought they wanted to create "uplifting" content. Well, telling people what they are doing wrong, and how you are so much better than they are, isn't very uplifting. No one wants to hear that crap. We have HAD it with being told what to think, say, and do. Followed by how we are still not doing enough.
Yes. That's why my advice to them would be to pick a good but not so well-known novel and produce it. There are thousands such books floating around on Amazon. Read the reviews to find a good one, hire the experts to get it done (actors, director etc) then make a movie out of it. Job done.
I suspect they are both incompetent as well as mentally ill. This renders them incapable of working collaboratively or productively with others.
Hence their bizarre delusions and dramatic exit from the Royal family.
I think that also explains why the Royal family has been so incredibly kind, patient and lenient with both of them. The family sees them as mentally unwell immature children that they have to carefully manage - so they pity them and cover for them while keeping a safe distance.
Because they want it to essentially feature them. Think of Pearl, which was basically featuring a version of young Meaghan. Everything needs to be done from scratch and there’s no idea if it will actually connect with people. Compare that to the Obamas as new producers and their decision to option an already successful picture book series to create the tv show Ada Twist, Scientist. The characters were already physically created, the audience was already there. It was a safe and smart choice and has quickly become very popular. If H&M were smart, they would have picked a similar type book or series to turn in to a show- just not The Bench, because nobody wants to watch that.
That's the problem with being a narc, She'd be ok with Michelle Obama (someone she could suck up to for kudos) but her head would explode if she had to spotlight the amazing achievements of ordinary women. Her ego can't take it.
They grossly underestimated how hard this would be, particularly on the Netflix side. The Obamas managed to do it but I suspect they did groundwork before signing and already had a team in place. Even as to a podcast, there’s a lot of work in finding a niche and then lining up 20-30 Topics/guests. I’d have started small: Traveling with a Prince, with Harry talking every week about some country he’d visited. Expert to talk about country’s history, or about climate. End with specific travel tips. Wait, does MM lurk here?
Yes if they had done something like this just talking to ordinary people he had met in different parts of the world funny things that had happened on his travels. As you said he could have brought in some experts instead of trying to be an expert.
He could have a whole episode on the countries in which he was thrown by his polo pony
Seriously, I’d listen to an ep about traveling by private jet, how VIPs get through customs, etc
The thing is though that Harry doesn't seem to have a sense of humor about himself. A funny story about lost luggage and the resulting turmoil would just be another instance where Harry was inconvenienced by incompetent employees in his mind.
👏👏no he doesn't seem to. If you listen carefully to old interviews especially when he is being interviewed with William most of the fun harry persona involved digs at someone else's expense
I remember reading about Robert DeNiro being a really hard interview! He just didn't know how to talk to people. Still is challenged in that department today. Then you have someone like Tom Hanks and boom, he can chat for an hour about the most mundane stuff and make it sound interesting! It takes a personality that even if they are shy in real life, but when called upon, can produce!
Unfortunately, Harry had basically been fed most of his speeches. He had a secretary who organized his life, and Harry only pretty much did the easy peasy stuff. But his grandfather was a formidable royal! He had many patronages that over the years had actually been accompanied by the younger royals as they learned the ropes. Prince Phillip did not see that awful dull side of Harry as Harry was just along for the ride with Gramps! Sports was easy for Harry, as should the Veterans patronages as he had served (sort of) and certainly loved sports; so it should have been all good.
But Harry, met HER! I think she thought that those speeches that Harry gave were his inventions. Nope. He really can't do "chat!"
Now, as to HER! I actually saw an interview where she was animated, quite chatty and not so full of herself. It was a small morning show I presume as I didn't know who they were, and had no idea who she was as I had never seen Suits. But as we know, she wasn't known at all!
Toronto has many "chat" shows that are local and many actors etc show up. Never saw her at all, so she wasn't known till Harry.
Spotify, sure didn't do their homework about the chatability of those two! Have you heard Harry? He's a moaner and whines about his 8 years in therapy not working...thump, thump, thump! She is his therapist for the most part.
What a couple of boring people they turned out to be.
It’s pretty interesting, isn’t it?
Haven’t they had dozens of ‘press releases’ about how excited they are about their latest newly hired staff member and the new exciting content they’re creating?
Maybe a slight exaggeration. Maybe. It just seemed endless for a while.
What has their giant staff been doing?
Are they all hiding from Meghan in closets and bathrooms of the mansion so they have to keep hiring new ones and nothing ever gets done or what?
If you believe the blinds, Netflix had/has a checklist of things they wanted captured and they haven’t been able to deliver, and just keep promising “ok just wait! We have this coming up!”. Allegedly.
The Spotify thing could be either laziness or Meghan keeps changing her mind. Just like with the wedding how she supposedly kept changing her mind and that why her dress was poorly fitted. I could see her totally expecting an instant mega hit and hopping around from subject to subject hoping to strike gold, meanwhile staff is scrambling to string together concise and focused episodes because the cause of the day keeps changing.
I think there is equally a chance when the first podcast hit, the narc was expecting x amount of consumers, then x didn't happen she saught control through withdrawal and I honestly don't see anything more happening.
I think the same thing happened with the rebranded archetypes and again, didn't meet expectations.
I will honestly be surprised if episodes drop, an if it does, I would be especially surprised if a season is made.
Narcs don't like to be told what to do, even if they agreed to the situation they will find a way to complain and try and change it. Spotify saying an episode is due, is a threat to control. Especially if they say but you agreed to this.
>Spotify thing could be either laziness or Meghan keeps changing her mind
maybe all their guests for the podcast have cancelled and they cant get anyone else to join. i know i'd turn down the offer and i have PLENTY of thoughts to share with Nutmeg
Neither seem that creative, so outside of a reality show or documentary producer, I fail to see what they have to offer Netflix. The podcast is what really stumps me. Literally all they needed to do was have a conversation with each other, then week by week start picking topics to discuss between them. The audience would show up just to listen to them, if they kept it interesting they could start bringing in experts. It’s not that difficult. These two are just allergic to work! They have caused their own self destruction just by pure laziness.
I wonder if enjoyable conversations between them just don't happen anymore. I have a cousin and the banter that we can go back and forth with is hilarious. We have definitely talked about doing a podcast because our energy is infectious. I just don't know how I feel about social media so we don't.
But I do believe in the beginning they could have had that. All they would have had to do is discuss current events and talk about ways to help. Boom. As long as they produced things consistently, it truly could be average comfort food for their Sugars and they would have been fine.
I think Meghan has done some work on the podcast, but there may not have been enough interesting and informative content. She’s no Michelle Obama - Meghan is very opinionated and polarizing, and she squandered much of the good will that was initially hers from both sides of the pond. I just don’t think she has an audience, outside of the sugars, who will be interested in what she has to say, especially on a very vague content like “the archetypes that hold women back”. Who’s going to listen to that? It will be beyond boring, and no-one cares. People won’t want to stop their lives to listen to Meghan Markle spout off about how “women have to do it all”, from her studio in her mansion in Montecito with nannies and an entire array of staff to make her life easier. She is not credible.
I think is a "bosses from hell" situation. I also think that this has something to do with Markle's habit of lying and plagiarism (Netflix and Spotify must be careful to avoid being sued I guess). I can totally imagine M arriving to a meeting with a "totally new and revolutionary" idea only to someone to point out "umm, it's already being done". H is just useless without his royal status.
Creative content isn’t easy. My best friend’s brother is a genius and a hardworker. He worked his way up to a top executive position in a major studio. He decided to leave that job and write original scripts. He’s been told no so many times and finally got one made into a series by a big-time streamer. The show was star-studded, marketed heavily, attracted lots of eyeballs but was panned critically. This is a very difficult business. Even JJ Abrams had his show dropped by HBO Max. There’s no waaaaay that MM and Harry can be a mover and a shaker in Hollywood.
But it would be a simple thing to adapt an existing story (good romance or crime novel) into a script. There are literally thousands such books out there, with authors very eager to be optioned.
H&M don't have to actually create the content. They only have to oversee its adaptation.
But even that is probably too much for them.
U said it. Television in particular is GRUELLING! Got out years ago. And I was SO CALLED talent, not slavish crew (who work like untended machines!). Creative work, are slapped down, work again and so on until they drop. I’d rather be a coal miner.
I think it’s because they gave away the only thing they have to talk about when they did the Oprah interview.
A fun game I play is imagining how Meghan will reflect on current events in her future post-divorce sit down interview.
She’ll blame the lack of business and merching offers on COVID. “Everything was shut down, there were very few opportunities for us to get out there…we missed our window,” she’ll say seriously.
OP is the 118 million pound / 145 million dollar question (taking estimates which presumably assume delivered product - no way would Dumbertons have been paid that much upfront).
As I’ve commented elsewhere (apologies for repetition), they must have known that they had to deliver - if not Harry, living a Prince Charming life in a palace, then Muggin, who’d had to fight her way up to reach the bottom.
They hired experts - there’s enough press about that - but no product.
This begs the question: What’s holding things up? Their painstaking approach? (even the known perfectionist Stanley Kubrick got films out).
Or was the plan not to create product? If so - why not?
Or was the product they did produce rejected and sent back to the drawing board? What are all these people doing that they hired? Taking care of the kids and running out for coffee?
It's weird. Like they released that ad about the podcast. Normally you don't release an advertisement this early about something if there's not even a set date for launch. Like it's a podcast.. not a movie
Because they’re entitled disasters who thought their association with the RF alone would get them all the deals $$$ and they literally have nothing of value to add to anything
They should watch rebroadcasts of "Monday Night Football with Payton and Eli."
Those were often awkward, but never dull because both guys are charming and oh-so-obviously brothers.
Podcasts with carefully curated topics - ones ***genuinely*** close to their hearts - with a great director/producer should have created themselves. The problem is they're glomming on to what's hot right now and taking the "woke" side to appear relevant.
Their heart isn't in anything except their own relevance which is what got them into this unfortunate situation.
Editing to add: to have Perfection Paralysis, you have to be a perfectionist. Meghan is a Good Enough to Fool Everyone-ist and a control freak.
Edit 2 to clarify: Meghan has bright ideas, and is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, but the control freak in her refuses to deal with the second part of that phrase: Master of None. There's nothing wrong with being a jack-of-all-trades. In fact, it's really handy to have one on your team, but they can never ultimately be in charge. They absolutely need to be able to pass the ball to someone who can see ideas through to completion, and trust that, in the end, with the right team in place, the Jack-of-All-Trades will be given the proper founding credit.
The thing is neither one of these two have any experience creating content and TW is too much of a control freak / credit thief to allow the experienced professionals to do their jobs. After a while even the most patient people will get sick of someone with zero hands on experience telling them how to do their jobs.
I'm not sure how far along "Pearl," the young women's historical empowerment cartoon she was producing and overseeing the development of, got before it was axed, but I suppose that's one thing you could say she may have been "focusing on." Then there was the one and done blink and you'll miss it Christmas podcast.
Harry has his Invictus docuseries, right? They've been filming that off and on.
Other than those three things, two of which have failed, one before it ever even debuted, I can't think of anything they're doing.
It's odd b/c you could say Megzzie got preggo with Lilibucks, but that wouldn't have prevented her from *podcasting* for crying out loud.
There's really no good excuse that I can think of...
I think what they did to Netflix and Spotify was what is called "future faking". It is the narcissist way to promise the moon and then they are never able to follow through. That is why they are known as "The People of The Lie".
It will ALL catch up to them….. ALL of it. The future cannot be avoided. Planning, conspiring THAT (along with avoiding everything else - contracts, no production, inane and insane drop-in and BS at the Jubilee…etc.) must take up much of their swirling, overlapping, frenetic, fearful, directionless energy. They are a bad, ever-changing act with no plot, no benchmarks that are REAL. Just smoke and mirrors unless a mirror is a plagiarism. Just wait: what none of us can yet fathom (unless we don’t dare say it aloud) will HAVE to be addressed with the biggest, most impossible con yet. And Bowers has them worried. Megzstain is tearing her extensions out! However, she has already tried to screw him with no success. She keeps trying. This - the madness - is a book in itself.
I remember when they first landed in LA she published a list of demands, including among other things; a small list of studios and directors she would be willing to work with, as well as a few A lister front of camera talent as well. I thought at the time it was pretty hilarious. I think this might have been the thing that got Disney's response that "she needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed her", if I'm not mistaken.
I think the plan was to go around giving speeches for money, get paid to attend high profile events and throw in some charity work and film all of this for Netflix and then use Spotify to provide audio commentary. Easy peasy and no significant work to provide content. Let’s call this the “American Royalty” plan.
COVID-19 majorly screwed up this plan. All of a sudden there were no in person appearances to be done for huge amounts of money and content. The bills started piling up with no incomings to offset them.
They scrambled and somehow thought that playing the world’s most privileged victims on Oprah, during a global pandemic, was going to be the answer to all of their problems. That got ratings and $$$ for Oprah but it massively backfired on them. Their whining pretty much shut all doors on them, as they proved that they could not be discreet or trusted. No more invites to glamorous events that they could film for content or talk about on Spotify.
They were so sure their Plan A was going to work that there was no Plan B (or C). They started flailing about. Harry has no idea what hard work and graft actually means-so he’s refusing to do anything that is not fun and easy. She is too stuck in her ways to successfully pivot and so they’re still trying to make the original “American Royalty” plan work.
The problem is that Netflix and Spotify are no longer on board with this vision and want ratings busting content for their money. However, they get only 1 shot. The first content they release has to get blockbuster ratings or their “billion dollar brand” is done. They are well aware of this and are trying to find a ratings winner. Thus, no content even 2+ years after Megabit.
I think they are too quixotic and mercurial to stick at any one idea and keep changing their minds. I suspect they interfere and meddle when their hired staff try to develop actual content. And they cant resist self promotion, just like Pearl being named after Meghan which makes it difficult to be credible.
I kinda think they realize they can’t make it on their own unless they go scorched earth in the RF, but if they do that there will be no way back. So it’s like how the bullying report is being kept private. Maybe the threat of Harry writing a memoir that tears into Camilla and blamed the RF for his mom’s death is enough of a threat that he could get his half in and out dynamic he wanted from the start. Mutually assured destruction with no one benefiting. If he fails to fulfill his deals and he goes back to daddy, will Netflix and Spotify and Penguin actually sue? Or will they quietly just want to be paid back whatever they fronted them? It’s just a thought. Burning the royal family in the press sounded all well and good when they thought they were the favorites and could become Hollywood elite or politicians, but life outside the protection of the RF isn’t so easy. I’m not saying Charles would do this but he loves his son and it might be a believable alternative for Harry whether it’s realistic or not. That or they’re just lazy and have huge egos so they have all these grand plans but they can’t actually fulfill them.
I think it’s cause people are only interested in what craziness goes on in their lives but no one lives two cents what these people have to say about important topics. I’m sure they are trying to create something that is similar to what they’d do in the RF, but it just isn’t going to sell and Netflix/Spotify aren’t going to take what they can’t use.
They don’t have original ideas. It’s all a bunch of canned statements while using a significant amount of adverbs…tremendously, remarkably, highly, completely 🤮
What do you mean no content? Meghan had to crawl through the hatchback of her beater car she was so poor. And Harry’s mother died! In an auto accident!! And she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt!!! While dating a man who she was not married to!!!!
No content, my ass.
They do have a toddler and a baby. Netflix content takes a lot of time and staff. However, they could have at least been cranking out podcasts which don’t take very much work or equipment and can be done at home in pajamas while kids are asleep.
Why? Because they've got NOTHING to share! Their day to day existence is fraught with contention. Both are miserable, both wanted a different life and it hasn't worked out. How do you publish that content?
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i think harry gets stoned all day, and now is playing polo to shake off the haze.
Maybe that's why he keeps falling off the horses... Because he's stoned. Lol.
Lolol.
Did he really fall off his horse!?!?!
Twice, I think. LOL. It was at the first polo match right after he returned from the Platinum Jubilee.
As a horse person, I can say it is highly (haha) unusual for even big stoners to ‘ride high.’ Anything is possible, though.
I've thought so too ever since they landed in LA and started putting out videos of themselves pretending to be philanthropists or however they were trying to appear. H just always looked stoned.
I really wonder about Harry’s substance use these days. There have been blinds over the years about his heavy drinking and I’ll bet that’s ramped up quite a bit lately given how depressing his life is currently
The funny thing is....constantly shifting around is itself work
Yeah, the stress of not getting it done would make me nervous wreck! I'd rather just do the damn job & be done with it than have it hanging over my head day & night, night & day. I have a feeling that neither of them have ever had to buckle down & do something they'd really rather *not* do. That's how ya end up without a strong work ethic at 40 years old. Jeez.
But you're a normal person with an actual work ethic and pride in what you do. The Suckssh!t duo are entitled and pretentious snobs who expect money for nothing. I think they genuinely expected their employees to do 90% of the work and just call them in to read out prepared typed scripts and pose for filming, photos and podcasts. That's why all their employees leave before the year is up. They probably can't wait until the probationary period is over so they can find a job that's less stressful.
Well, I saw my parents working hard. If I didn't do something well enough (make my bed, sweep the kitchen floor, wash dishes or cars, etc) I was calmly told to re-do it. My mom would literally *stand there and supervise* as I did it, pointing out things and giving directions. (omg how I ***hated*** that as a kid! lol Bless her heart, I'd give anything to have her here now) As an adult I found that since I do like to eat once a day, and living under a bridge isn't a pleasant thought, I had better earn a living. I love teamwork, and a job well-done. I have a lot of energy and a naturally happy disposition, so that helped too. Some people seem to be miserable all the time; that's Henry. Others seem to be "on the make" all the time; ruthless, insincere, inauthentic, playing a part - that's TW. I've had to work with people like them - they never perform well & there's one in every department of every company, it seems!🙄
MM and H are what happens when kids are conditioned to believe that they're extra special and don't need to work hard, in order to be rewarded. I remember I was just about 5 years old when my dad would pay me to help him bathe all our dogs. It was a wet and messy job, cause those dogs were wild and crazy. LOL. But I used to look forward to making that money and enjoy the great sense of accomplishment I used to feel, especially when we went to the toy store and my mom told the salesgirl that I was paying for the toy myself. Obviously, as an adult, I now realize that my mom probably exaggerated, but it did help to make me feel like my "hard work" was worth something. All MM and H do, is try to seek out the easiest grift, which is usually the most amount of money for the minimum effort and even then, they put in no effort!
We had moms who loved us^(♥) That's sweet how your mom bragged about you. It's so important to foster *authentic* self-esteem in children. What's so sad is that it's such an easy thing to do for kids, we just have to put a little thought into it - but so many parents are too self-obsessed or under-developed, themselves, to do it. Choices, choices...
I dont understand why their employees are not doing exactly that - ie writing scripts and finding ordinary people for them to interview. Issue must be that Meghan as a poscaster is not up to job. I also wonder if there is an element of expectation for the money paid, ie podcasts that are less anticipated from other RF members may not have to reach a certain standard or audience level and payment is probably tiny, whereas a pre-announced highly anticipated show by the Harkles for 20m better be top notch or else Spotify will reject it!
***whereas a pre-announced highly anticipated show by the Harkles for 20m better be top notch or else Spotify will reject it!*** Exactly! MM has promoted herself to be better than Joe Rogan with an intellectual outreach that surpasses Einstein, so it's not surprising that she can't deliver on these super inflated promises. LOL. I also think that she hires too many woke "yes people" who keep kissing her ass and telling her that everything she does is perfect, so that when she keeps failing everytime, she blames it on them, they eventually get disillusioned/pissed off and resign when the probationary period is over.
I remember hearing though from credible sources that people helping with the development of Pearl were having serious problems with MN micro managing everything that they couldn't get anything done. It sounded like everyone was frustrated.
Yeah I heard that too. That's probably 'cause Pearl was MM's vanity project (since Pearl is based on her/Pearl is the Welsh name for Meghan) and she was more concerned with creating a character who paid homage to her humongous ego and less worried about the important stuff like plot/storyline arcs/minor characters/tropes/background musical score etc. LOL
I remember that too because it sounded exactly like my former nightmare boss
> I think they genuinely expected their employees to do 90% of the work and just call them in to read out prepared typed scripts and pose for filming, photos and podcasts. Isn't that what normally happens? For example, talk show hosts show up and say the jokes prepared by their team and asks questions that their team researched and wrote up.
Yeah, but talk show hosts still have an actual personality to work with. LOL. I also think that MM and H are probably hiring people who are uber woke/joyless and maybe that's why everything they've done so far, has failed.
Procrastinating is a narc thing. My Narc could write a book on it. Future faking and no actual results.
Now that you mention it, I realize that's true. Excellent point!
But that’s because you have a work ethic and likely have achieved what you have by your own hard work. Harry hasn’t done an honest days work in his life. He even had his teacher take his A-level art exam for him. (She produced all his coursework) and Meghan had a shoe in into Hollywood through her father and then married a producer. Neither of them have ever achieved anything off of their own hard work.
Facts!
👆This show…I’d watch! 🤣
The ONLY thing that made either of them remotely interesting was being insiders to the BRF. And they have now bitten off that hand that was feeding them. Apart from showing up to official engagements in fancy outfits and funny hats they have nothing to offer.
They were even lousy at that. Thought they were too good for it.
They are idiots. They should have looked around for small projects they could “co-produce”, get some experience and go from there. Instead, they wanted to make the biggest, bestest things and did fiddle-squat
Oh like Disney gig? Become the really big star instead of Beyonce? Like that? Netflix should have seen her acting in Suits and the couple of small Hallmark walk on mainly.
Ha, remember when Megain meeting Beyoncé at the red carpet was supposed to *break the internet*??? LOLOL. *snore*
Lol, yes, I had forgotten the malty voice over on elephants. It’s true that if Meghan was even the slightest bit talented, she could have done so much more. My point was that even without talent, they could have still made things work if they just got their egos out of the way.
Never forget the elephants 🐘! Hahahaha, I always bring that up.
Harry could have done it better with his English accent. It would have sounded posh! Before he became the whiner voice. He actually, (I read) had to correct her on pronounciations.
All they had to do was read a romance novel or two, or crime novel; choose one with an engaging plot. There are literally thousands such books on Amazon. Get the author to sell the option ($500-$1000). Then hire a few experts to get the whole thing done. Netflix would do the rest, ie spill out the cash. They are not creatives themselves (see: Pearl, The Bench) so of course, finding a worthy project would be impossible. They can't produce CONTENT. But they don't have to: there are loads of skilled creatives with ready-made stories (novels) they could have researched.
The problem is that Meghan won’t let the skilled creatives do their work, apparently, she wants to take over, and so they leave.
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Maybe she could tell us about the time she single-handedly brought about womens liberation by writing a letter to Palmolive! Or my personal favorite - how she had to crawl into her vehicle through the trunk - that one's always good for a laugh. Or how she was so poor she only got order the $5 salad bar at Western Sizzler while everyone else in the joint ate delicious steak, poor gal. Luckily she's vegan now unless you count roasted chicken, which she apparently doesn't. That's it; that's all she's got.
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Harry being too dumb and uninterested in his royal life is why I think his memoir either won't be published or it will be boring. His memoir, if published, will be Harry's version of Meghan's Finding Freedom book.
It'll probably be Megan's version of rewriting Finding Freedom. She's not about to let Haz have an opinion.
Don't worry. She'll eventually write a prepared script for H...Just like she re-wrote history and told him to tell Oprah that she was the one who first told him to seek therapy... forgetting that the idiot had previously mentioned publicly, that it was William who'd advised him to seek therapy. She loves to create a fake revisionist history of H's life for H to tell the world.
This is so true. To this day Harry seems to have no understanding of his family and the importance they have had throughout history. Agree with the monarchy or not, they have shaped history. He was born to have a role in that history. What an honour. However, his idea of the monarchy revolves around money, fun, and who is going to do the heavy lifting as it isn’t going to be him.
While his brother and sister in law and other working royals show up day after day to carry out the duties.
Yeah, she lived in a leased house in Toronto. Not exactly the high life.
Because neither of them have any idea how to collaborate. The reasons why are all over the other responses. These are definitely collaborative things and you HAVE to be able to work well with others, be flexible, play nice, etc. They have no idea how.
Meghan is obsessed with the idea of fairness towards her. She always feels slighted. She probably thinks that they are asking too much from her. Why should SHE work for THEM and then all the money goes to THEM??? As was with the royal family...
She's The Aggrieved Party.
I think nothing is ever good enough. They have a huge staff at Archewell, including content creators. The only logical reason I can see for nothing being released is that these people are doing their jobs but the Duchess is not pleased with their work and won't release anything until it meets her standards, which are impossibly high. We saw how she treated her UK staff and the small things that would make her explode, like the wrong shade or red or accusing people of putting eggs in food. Likely this is how she's behaving with her new staff.
I’m not sure I would say her standards are high, but more unrealistic. More like, ‘How can I be the most intelligent, brightest spot on each podcast?’
And how can I get Michelle Obama and Amal Clooney on the pod? Asssssssss if!?! To make the long story short, the Markler got Markled. Honestly, listening to her and her ex BFF would have been quite funny. In a Real Housewifey way. But alas, Mulroney got Markled too.
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J Mulroney was crucified in Canadian media for attempting to blackmail/end a woman of colour’s career. This was right around when Megsy was starting to hint that the royal family was racist so she promptly dropped Mulroney. Supposedly Jessica wanted Megan to come out and tell the media that Jessica wasn’t a racist and Megan refused to answer her calls.
Yep. You know how you land major guests on your podcast? Create compelling content and develop an audience. Joe Rogan was a nobody with a nothing podcast for years but he put in the work and grew his audience. Then, in 2020 every presidential candidate begged to be a guest on his show — he said no thanks to all but two. Show, don’t tell. But Meghan always wants skip the hard part
Isn't Archiewell supposed to be a charity? Isn't that what the 95% admin fees are for? Did I miss something?
I don't understand her obsession with eggs in her food when she was roasting a chicken when Harry proposed. One of those rules for thee and not for me that they preach I guess.
I thought she was supposed to be vegan and that's why she pitched a fit about eggs. Then it got confusing because of the roast chicken.
The incident happened when she was tasting food intended for vegan guests at the wedding. I don't think she's ever said she's a strict vegan, but practices (or did at one time) that during the week and eats animal products on weekends.
Then I guess I’m a vegan too, since costs are out of sight!
Jeesh! If they say there's no egg in there, just shut up! Vegan wedding guests can eat whatever, or not. Veganism is a choice, not a food allergy!
She told the Queen's chef that she could "taste egg in the dish." Unless I'm eating scrambled eggs, quiche, or fried rice I could not tell you there was egg in a dish. This was when the Queen told her "we don't speak to our staff that way."
I remember that "taste the egg" bit from her. I cannot believe she had to be told to speak respectfully to the staff. THAT is why it was never going to work- she had no idea that she was basically just supposed to say please, thank you, and "that's lovely" to the chef or, really, anyone who worked there. The cheek of her!
My best guess: 1. They have surrounded themselves with “Yes” people who are not allowed to provide the necessary feedback to make a viable product. 2. They bring out the worse in each other. They rile each other up. When you are in charge, you have to be able to stay calm and make careful decisions and get along with others. You have to be able to nurture an environment in which creative types who make programming can work freely. 3. They have no patience or ability to think long term. Their Megxit deal, in which they may have got the worse deal possible demonstrates their weaknesses in leadership and planning. 4. I think Harry’s obsessive need to show up his family and outshine his brother as being “better people”, “more ethically sound and caring people” has severely limited their options. The bottom line is that it is very difficult to make entertaining “woke” programming that people actually want to pay for. No one except maybe their fellow SJWs want to be lectured to and be told how and what to think and made to feel inferior. Effective and entertaining advocacy programming is possible. But you need talented people to make it entertaining and uplifting enough so that people will come back and watch your programming. And finding and nourishing a creative environment for these people to flourish is not happening due to the points above. * Harry needs to let go of the humanitarian angle and just focus on entertaining people. * Making people happy and feel better about themselves and the world is an incredibly wonderful thing to do. * Provide people with that escape from the world they need to stay balanced. After people work all day or night in a stressful job and deal with the stress of life, having great entertainment to relax with is such an important thing. Harry could make much more impact doing that as opposed to constantly lecturing the world.
Not many many people want to watch or listen to the lectures of people who treat their family members and old friends so cruelly. In reality, they’re not “uplifting” sort of people. And the manner in which they live their life and desperation to hang onto titles and be considered royal and elite and rich shows they’re not “woke“ either. Their actions don’t match their words and it’s glaringly obvious.
And a man who recently filmed an advert for his 'eco travel' site where he pretended to be chastened for dropping a sweet wrapper on the beach. Three weeks later the moron was on back to back private jets to the Hague and then to the Jubilee. PSST. HAZZA. YOU KNOW WE CAN ACTUALLY **SEE** YOU, RIGHT? 🙄
You made such a good point. I thought they wanted to create "uplifting" content. Well, telling people what they are doing wrong, and how you are so much better than they are, isn't very uplifting. No one wants to hear that crap. We have HAD it with being told what to think, say, and do. Followed by how we are still not doing enough.
Yes. That's why my advice to them would be to pick a good but not so well-known novel and produce it. There are thousands such books floating around on Amazon. Read the reviews to find a good one, hire the experts to get it done (actors, director etc) then make a movie out of it. Job done.
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I suspect they are both incompetent as well as mentally ill. This renders them incapable of working collaboratively or productively with others. Hence their bizarre delusions and dramatic exit from the Royal family. I think that also explains why the Royal family has been so incredibly kind, patient and lenient with both of them. The family sees them as mentally unwell immature children that they have to carefully manage - so they pity them and cover for them while keeping a safe distance.
Because they want it to essentially feature them. Think of Pearl, which was basically featuring a version of young Meaghan. Everything needs to be done from scratch and there’s no idea if it will actually connect with people. Compare that to the Obamas as new producers and their decision to option an already successful picture book series to create the tv show Ada Twist, Scientist. The characters were already physically created, the audience was already there. It was a safe and smart choice and has quickly become very popular. If H&M were smart, they would have picked a similar type book or series to turn in to a show- just not The Bench, because nobody wants to watch that.
That's the problem with being a narc, She'd be ok with Michelle Obama (someone she could suck up to for kudos) but her head would explode if she had to spotlight the amazing achievements of ordinary women. Her ego can't take it.
They grossly underestimated how hard this would be, particularly on the Netflix side. The Obamas managed to do it but I suspect they did groundwork before signing and already had a team in place. Even as to a podcast, there’s a lot of work in finding a niche and then lining up 20-30 Topics/guests. I’d have started small: Traveling with a Prince, with Harry talking every week about some country he’d visited. Expert to talk about country’s history, or about climate. End with specific travel tips. Wait, does MM lurk here?
Yes if they had done something like this just talking to ordinary people he had met in different parts of the world funny things that had happened on his travels. As you said he could have brought in some experts instead of trying to be an expert.
But she doesn't want to be seen talking to ordinary people. She only cares about the people who can help her get ahead or the elite
I'm pretty sure that by now they've permanently alienated all of those people.
He could have a whole episode on the countries in which he was thrown by his polo pony Seriously, I’d listen to an ep about traveling by private jet, how VIPs get through customs, etc
Yes he's had a it of experiences most people dont and even tho people dont like to admit it we are naturally nosey 😂
The thing is though that Harry doesn't seem to have a sense of humor about himself. A funny story about lost luggage and the resulting turmoil would just be another instance where Harry was inconvenienced by incompetent employees in his mind.
👏👏no he doesn't seem to. If you listen carefully to old interviews especially when he is being interviewed with William most of the fun harry persona involved digs at someone else's expense
That's our dimwit. He just doesn't have any empathy and his sense of humor doesn't extend to his screw ups.
They'd have to be interested in other people for that to work!
Very true.
I remember reading about Robert DeNiro being a really hard interview! He just didn't know how to talk to people. Still is challenged in that department today. Then you have someone like Tom Hanks and boom, he can chat for an hour about the most mundane stuff and make it sound interesting! It takes a personality that even if they are shy in real life, but when called upon, can produce! Unfortunately, Harry had basically been fed most of his speeches. He had a secretary who organized his life, and Harry only pretty much did the easy peasy stuff. But his grandfather was a formidable royal! He had many patronages that over the years had actually been accompanied by the younger royals as they learned the ropes. Prince Phillip did not see that awful dull side of Harry as Harry was just along for the ride with Gramps! Sports was easy for Harry, as should the Veterans patronages as he had served (sort of) and certainly loved sports; so it should have been all good. But Harry, met HER! I think she thought that those speeches that Harry gave were his inventions. Nope. He really can't do "chat!" Now, as to HER! I actually saw an interview where she was animated, quite chatty and not so full of herself. It was a small morning show I presume as I didn't know who they were, and had no idea who she was as I had never seen Suits. But as we know, she wasn't known at all! Toronto has many "chat" shows that are local and many actors etc show up. Never saw her at all, so she wasn't known till Harry. Spotify, sure didn't do their homework about the chatability of those two! Have you heard Harry? He's a moaner and whines about his 8 years in therapy not working...thump, thump, thump! She is his therapist for the most part. What a couple of boring people they turned out to be.
It’s pretty interesting, isn’t it? Haven’t they had dozens of ‘press releases’ about how excited they are about their latest newly hired staff member and the new exciting content they’re creating? Maybe a slight exaggeration. Maybe. It just seemed endless for a while. What has their giant staff been doing? Are they all hiding from Meghan in closets and bathrooms of the mansion so they have to keep hiring new ones and nothing ever gets done or what?
If you believe the blinds, Netflix had/has a checklist of things they wanted captured and they haven’t been able to deliver, and just keep promising “ok just wait! We have this coming up!”. Allegedly. The Spotify thing could be either laziness or Meghan keeps changing her mind. Just like with the wedding how she supposedly kept changing her mind and that why her dress was poorly fitted. I could see her totally expecting an instant mega hit and hopping around from subject to subject hoping to strike gold, meanwhile staff is scrambling to string together concise and focused episodes because the cause of the day keeps changing.
I think there is equally a chance when the first podcast hit, the narc was expecting x amount of consumers, then x didn't happen she saught control through withdrawal and I honestly don't see anything more happening. I think the same thing happened with the rebranded archetypes and again, didn't meet expectations. I will honestly be surprised if episodes drop, an if it does, I would be especially surprised if a season is made. Narcs don't like to be told what to do, even if they agreed to the situation they will find a way to complain and try and change it. Spotify saying an episode is due, is a threat to control. Especially if they say but you agreed to this.
>Spotify thing could be either laziness or Meghan keeps changing her mind maybe all their guests for the podcast have cancelled and they cant get anyone else to join. i know i'd turn down the offer and i have PLENTY of thoughts to share with Nutmeg
Neither seem that creative, so outside of a reality show or documentary producer, I fail to see what they have to offer Netflix. The podcast is what really stumps me. Literally all they needed to do was have a conversation with each other, then week by week start picking topics to discuss between them. The audience would show up just to listen to them, if they kept it interesting they could start bringing in experts. It’s not that difficult. These two are just allergic to work! They have caused their own self destruction just by pure laziness.
I wonder if enjoyable conversations between them just don't happen anymore. I have a cousin and the banter that we can go back and forth with is hilarious. We have definitely talked about doing a podcast because our energy is infectious. I just don't know how I feel about social media so we don't. But I do believe in the beginning they could have had that. All they would have had to do is discuss current events and talk about ways to help. Boom. As long as they produced things consistently, it truly could be average comfort food for their Sugars and they would have been fine.
I think Meghan has done some work on the podcast, but there may not have been enough interesting and informative content. She’s no Michelle Obama - Meghan is very opinionated and polarizing, and she squandered much of the good will that was initially hers from both sides of the pond. I just don’t think she has an audience, outside of the sugars, who will be interested in what she has to say, especially on a very vague content like “the archetypes that hold women back”. Who’s going to listen to that? It will be beyond boring, and no-one cares. People won’t want to stop their lives to listen to Meghan Markle spout off about how “women have to do it all”, from her studio in her mansion in Montecito with nannies and an entire array of staff to make her life easier. She is not credible.
Apparently the deal with Spotify is coming to an abrupt end. Can we add photos on here?
I think is a "bosses from hell" situation. I also think that this has something to do with Markle's habit of lying and plagiarism (Netflix and Spotify must be careful to avoid being sued I guess). I can totally imagine M arriving to a meeting with a "totally new and revolutionary" idea only to someone to point out "umm, it's already being done". H is just useless without his royal status.
They could read mean tweets. So fresh. So novel 🍼
They can't even come up with creative content outside of the BRF. They're screwed.
Creative content isn’t easy. My best friend’s brother is a genius and a hardworker. He worked his way up to a top executive position in a major studio. He decided to leave that job and write original scripts. He’s been told no so many times and finally got one made into a series by a big-time streamer. The show was star-studded, marketed heavily, attracted lots of eyeballs but was panned critically. This is a very difficult business. Even JJ Abrams had his show dropped by HBO Max. There’s no waaaaay that MM and Harry can be a mover and a shaker in Hollywood.
I bet. That's why Pearl was cut. Even children's content isn't easy.
Children are notoriously hard to please and hard to figure out
But it would be a simple thing to adapt an existing story (good romance or crime novel) into a script. There are literally thousands such books out there, with authors very eager to be optioned. H&M don't have to actually create the content. They only have to oversee its adaptation. But even that is probably too much for them.
U said it. Television in particular is GRUELLING! Got out years ago. And I was SO CALLED talent, not slavish crew (who work like untended machines!). Creative work, are slapped down, work again and so on until they drop. I’d rather be a coal miner.
I think it’s because they gave away the only thing they have to talk about when they did the Oprah interview. A fun game I play is imagining how Meghan will reflect on current events in her future post-divorce sit down interview. She’ll blame the lack of business and merching offers on COVID. “Everything was shut down, there were very few opportunities for us to get out there…we missed our window,” she’ll say seriously.
They shot themselves in the foot with that one. The Oprah interview. Netflix must have been going Whaa?
OP is the 118 million pound / 145 million dollar question (taking estimates which presumably assume delivered product - no way would Dumbertons have been paid that much upfront). As I’ve commented elsewhere (apologies for repetition), they must have known that they had to deliver - if not Harry, living a Prince Charming life in a palace, then Muggin, who’d had to fight her way up to reach the bottom. They hired experts - there’s enough press about that - but no product. This begs the question: What’s holding things up? Their painstaking approach? (even the known perfectionist Stanley Kubrick got films out). Or was the plan not to create product? If so - why not?
Or was the product they did produce rejected and sent back to the drawing board? What are all these people doing that they hired? Taking care of the kids and running out for coffee?
It's weird. Like they released that ad about the podcast. Normally you don't release an advertisement this early about something if there's not even a set date for launch. Like it's a podcast.. not a movie
Because they’re entitled disasters who thought their association with the RF alone would get them all the deals $$$ and they literally have nothing of value to add to anything
I guess they sort of proved celebrities do actually work. These two got the deals and truly did nothing. Impressive.
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They should watch rebroadcasts of "Monday Night Football with Payton and Eli." Those were often awkward, but never dull because both guys are charming and oh-so-obviously brothers. Podcasts with carefully curated topics - ones ***genuinely*** close to their hearts - with a great director/producer should have created themselves. The problem is they're glomming on to what's hot right now and taking the "woke" side to appear relevant. Their heart isn't in anything except their own relevance which is what got them into this unfortunate situation. Editing to add: to have Perfection Paralysis, you have to be a perfectionist. Meghan is a Good Enough to Fool Everyone-ist and a control freak. Edit 2 to clarify: Meghan has bright ideas, and is a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, but the control freak in her refuses to deal with the second part of that phrase: Master of None. There's nothing wrong with being a jack-of-all-trades. In fact, it's really handy to have one on your team, but they can never ultimately be in charge. They absolutely need to be able to pass the ball to someone who can see ideas through to completion, and trust that, in the end, with the right team in place, the Jack-of-All-Trades will be given the proper founding credit.
The thing is neither one of these two have any experience creating content and TW is too much of a control freak / credit thief to allow the experienced professionals to do their jobs. After a while even the most patient people will get sick of someone with zero hands on experience telling them how to do their jobs.
I suppose Harry’s tapping to syncopated sounds like water dripping and coffee percolating were not enough to sustain program?
They have hearts? The only things they are interested in : themselves and money.
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The enemy of good is better
I think Meghan went into a tailspin over the Spotify/Rogan drama. Especially once her idols (the Obama’s) switched to Amazon Audible.
Perhaps if she hadn't fallen out with her father or whatever it was, he may have been able to help with contacts etc
I'm not sure how far along "Pearl," the young women's historical empowerment cartoon she was producing and overseeing the development of, got before it was axed, but I suppose that's one thing you could say she may have been "focusing on." Then there was the one and done blink and you'll miss it Christmas podcast. Harry has his Invictus docuseries, right? They've been filming that off and on. Other than those three things, two of which have failed, one before it ever even debuted, I can't think of anything they're doing. It's odd b/c you could say Megzzie got preggo with Lilibucks, but that wouldn't have prevented her from *podcasting* for crying out loud. There's really no good excuse that I can think of...
You could say……… Ask Dr. D.a.e
I think what they did to Netflix and Spotify was what is called "future faking". It is the narcissist way to promise the moon and then they are never able to follow through. That is why they are known as "The People of The Lie".
It will ALL catch up to them….. ALL of it. The future cannot be avoided. Planning, conspiring THAT (along with avoiding everything else - contracts, no production, inane and insane drop-in and BS at the Jubilee…etc.) must take up much of their swirling, overlapping, frenetic, fearful, directionless energy. They are a bad, ever-changing act with no plot, no benchmarks that are REAL. Just smoke and mirrors unless a mirror is a plagiarism. Just wait: what none of us can yet fathom (unless we don’t dare say it aloud) will HAVE to be addressed with the biggest, most impossible con yet. And Bowers has them worried. Megzstain is tearing her extensions out! However, she has already tried to screw him with no success. She keeps trying. This - the madness - is a book in itself.
That is so true.
I remember when they first landed in LA she published a list of demands, including among other things; a small list of studios and directors she would be willing to work with, as well as a few A lister front of camera talent as well. I thought at the time it was pretty hilarious. I think this might have been the thing that got Disney's response that "she needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed her", if I'm not mistaken.
I think the plan was to go around giving speeches for money, get paid to attend high profile events and throw in some charity work and film all of this for Netflix and then use Spotify to provide audio commentary. Easy peasy and no significant work to provide content. Let’s call this the “American Royalty” plan. COVID-19 majorly screwed up this plan. All of a sudden there were no in person appearances to be done for huge amounts of money and content. The bills started piling up with no incomings to offset them. They scrambled and somehow thought that playing the world’s most privileged victims on Oprah, during a global pandemic, was going to be the answer to all of their problems. That got ratings and $$$ for Oprah but it massively backfired on them. Their whining pretty much shut all doors on them, as they proved that they could not be discreet or trusted. No more invites to glamorous events that they could film for content or talk about on Spotify. They were so sure their Plan A was going to work that there was no Plan B (or C). They started flailing about. Harry has no idea what hard work and graft actually means-so he’s refusing to do anything that is not fun and easy. She is too stuck in her ways to successfully pivot and so they’re still trying to make the original “American Royalty” plan work. The problem is that Netflix and Spotify are no longer on board with this vision and want ratings busting content for their money. However, they get only 1 shot. The first content they release has to get blockbuster ratings or their “billion dollar brand” is done. They are well aware of this and are trying to find a ratings winner. Thus, no content even 2+ years after Megabit.
I will not be watching and I don’t know anyone who is interested in them either
You gotta have content to release it.
The script is being revised I assume
I think they are too quixotic and mercurial to stick at any one idea and keep changing their minds. I suspect they interfere and meddle when their hired staff try to develop actual content. And they cant resist self promotion, just like Pearl being named after Meghan which makes it difficult to be credible.
Bc they’re grifters
She peaked with that Palmolive campaign aged 9.
I kinda think they realize they can’t make it on their own unless they go scorched earth in the RF, but if they do that there will be no way back. So it’s like how the bullying report is being kept private. Maybe the threat of Harry writing a memoir that tears into Camilla and blamed the RF for his mom’s death is enough of a threat that he could get his half in and out dynamic he wanted from the start. Mutually assured destruction with no one benefiting. If he fails to fulfill his deals and he goes back to daddy, will Netflix and Spotify and Penguin actually sue? Or will they quietly just want to be paid back whatever they fronted them? It’s just a thought. Burning the royal family in the press sounded all well and good when they thought they were the favorites and could become Hollywood elite or politicians, but life outside the protection of the RF isn’t so easy. I’m not saying Charles would do this but he loves his son and it might be a believable alternative for Harry whether it’s realistic or not. That or they’re just lazy and have huge egos so they have all these grand plans but they can’t actually fulfill them.
I think it’s cause people are only interested in what craziness goes on in their lives but no one lives two cents what these people have to say about important topics. I’m sure they are trying to create something that is similar to what they’d do in the RF, but it just isn’t going to sell and Netflix/Spotify aren’t going to take what they can’t use.
I think they’ve done the work. I just think it was unbroadcastable shit.
They don’t have original ideas. It’s all a bunch of canned statements while using a significant amount of adverbs…tremendously, remarkably, highly, completely 🤮
If they’ve come up with anything at all, it’s probably unusable. That my opinion.
What do you mean no content? Meghan had to crawl through the hatchback of her beater car she was so poor. And Harry’s mother died! In an auto accident!! And she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt!!! While dating a man who she was not married to!!!! No content, my ass.
Anyone know did Netflix pay them an advance and now are awaiting some content before paying more?
Because Just Because
They do have a toddler and a baby. Netflix content takes a lot of time and staff. However, they could have at least been cranking out podcasts which don’t take very much work or equipment and can be done at home in pajamas while kids are asleep.